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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 11 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  Good evening.

• 0:07Jocko Willink?

  We have some more Q and A for today from

• 0:13Speaker 01

  The Underground.

• 0:13Jocko Willink?

  The Underground. So people that are in the Underground know how to ask questions to the Underground. More narrow audience, so we get to them quicker. So here we go. Here's a question, and this question is actually directed, I believe it, Echo Charles, for the most part, so I'm gonna read it. It says, "I've been lifting weight, bodybuilding, powerlifting since high school. I recently purchased Jocko's field manual. It was awesome, by the way. So, the thing is, I'm not very familiar with the Olympic lifts, and I can't afford to do BJJ and CrossFit. Obviously, I'm going with BJJ because you can't burpee out of a chokehold." That's affirmative. "I'm curious to what movements Echo Charles bases his lifting around.

• 0:59Jocko Willink?

  I know he played D1 football, so he may be more familiar with Olympic lifts as well. I'm just trying to see what weight training split will complement a beginner at BJJ and someone who isn't very familiar with Olympic lifts. I'm very experienced with the big three, squat, bench, deadlift. But I love cardio, the cardio aspect that comes with Metcon Olympic lifting." Echo Charles, go.

• 1:24Speaker 01

  Okay, let me preface this with my

• 1:28Jocko Willink?

  I'll be back in 15.

• 1:28Speaker 01

  Personal

• 1:31Speaker 01

  My personal training certificate, certification is expired, has been

• 1:38Jocko Willink?

  Did you actually get one?

• 1:38Speaker 01

  I got a certification. It was like one of the bare minimum ones.

• 1:41Jocko Willink?

  When?

• 1:42Speaker 01

  2003.

• 1:44Jocko Willink?

  Were you thinking maybe that was the road?

• 1:45Speaker 01

  That was, that was the road.

• 1:47Jocko Willink?

  Did you actually do that for a while?

• 1:48Speaker 01

  I was a personal trainer for a little while, yes. Oh, wow, a year and a half, one year, maybe.

• 1:53Jocko Willink?

  Where?

• 1:54Speaker 01

  I don't know. 24 Hour Fitness.

• 1:55Jocko Willink?

  San Diego?

• 1:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, San Diego. UTC 24 Hour Fitness, yep.

• 1:59Jocko Willink?

  No kidding.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  It's true. Well, in college, I went to school for, I wanted to be a strength and conditioning coach. So that was what I sort of pursued, that's why.

• 2:09Jocko Willink?

  So you're, you're, you're, bro-science has a little

• 2:13Speaker 01

  Some regular science in it, yes.

• 2:15Jocko Willink?

  You could have fooled me over the past 10 years.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  Well, in exercise and like sports.

• 2:22Jocko Willink?

  Bro-science is real. Well, John, you gotta understand, exercise and sports, pro-science is the real thing.

• 2:29Speaker 01

  No, man. There's so much updating, you know, because everybody's body's different and all the stuff responds differently, different things, fast switch, slow twitch muscles, like

• 2:39Jocko Willink?

  Medium switch, which is a thing?

• 2:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, see, and even that, you know, it's like, put it this way, there's always new updates to it. So, things that we thought was the best way, sometimes later on, they found out, hey, that's not the best way. This is even better way.

• 2:56Jocko Willink?

  Science.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  Some things, they say, hey, this is not even true anymore because we thought it was true because of this, this, this, but this, this, this is only the case because of this other thing that we didn't know about.

• 3:06Jocko Willink?

  Well, lately, there's been a lot of, lot of this trust the science stuff going around. And the thing about trust, like you just said, you can trust science today, it could be different tomorrow.

• 3:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then even that, that's going to depend because there's like, what do you call them, the hard sciences? And then there's the not hard sciences or whatever. So, then there's that going around.

• 3:26Jocko Willink?

  Even in the hard sciences, like, things get proven wrong over time.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think, like, there are, yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, yeah, but

• 3:38Jocko Willink?

  There's no

• 3:38Speaker 01

  A lot of stuff.

• 3:39Jocko Willink?

  But.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Yes, there is a but. They're not going to prove that one plus one, like, for some reason, doesn't equal two anymore. It's like that kind of stuff.

• 3:47Jocko Willink?

  That's math.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, which is one of the hard science, sciences, or it's part of the hard No, I'm not. No, I'm not. This is absolutely true. Either way, back to lifting.

• 3:59Jocko Willink?

  Let's just, let's focus on lifting.

• 4:02Jocko Willink?

  Let's get back to lifting. The hard science, the hard pro-science of lifting.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  Hard science of lifting.

• 4:07Jocko Willink?

  All right, what do you got?

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Um, this is my opinion, and it's not, like, gonna be, I am not a strength and conditioning coach at all.

• 4:16Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  But, if you ask me what I do and what I've found to be beneficial for jujitsu and non-jujitsu stuff, here's what I, what I have currently. So, I don't, my workouts are not based for jujitsu. Not fully. Some of it is, because lifting weights has all kinds of different pursuits. You want muscular endurance, you want to look good, you want big muscles, you want to be strong, you want it to be performance-based, and then performance-based how? You know, like, you want to be strong in the weight room, you want to be fast, you want to, you know, so there's like all, all kinds of different pursuits going in different directions, fully. So mine was when I started lifting weights, it was to be quote unquote, big and strong and fast.

• 4:57Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  Which are three different things too, by the way, but my workouts would be based kinda with those three interests in mind.

• 5:05Jocko Willink?

  Are they still?

• 5:07Speaker 01

  Not the fast.

• 5:08Jocko Willink?

  So I think he's asking, what are you doing right now?

• 5:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, but I think that that's important to preface because it's like, oh, wait, I don't.

• 5:15Jocko Willink?

  Clapping.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  I.

• 5:15Jocko Willink?

  They recognize I was trying to move this conversation along.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  They're not. If they, if they have the same question, they think that this is beneficial because it is. And this is why. Because sometimes people will be like, hey, they'll like, look at me and I'll get this. They'll be like, hey, what do you do for lifting? But then if you don't say like, well, my, I don't do this thing. And then I happen to get this result. It's like, I have these certain things that I do for working out that for these certain results or whatever. And they conflict with each other. Like a lot of the lifts that I do totally conflict with jujitsu. Like as far as, I mean, I guess they'd be considered like bodybuilding lifts, like, uh, just the format. You know, like if, if, if I do five sets of 12 reps, we'll say shoulder press.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  Five sets of 12 reps, uh, a minute, minute and a half rest in between till failure every time. That's a bodybuilding type movement. That's not directly beneficial to jujitsu. In fact, if you put on lean muscle mass, that's not effective for jujitsu to a certain point. So if you're a two, super skinny little dude, and then you put on muscle mass, okay. But once you get sort of into that, a certain range, depending on your body build or whatever, the muscle works against you in jujitsu.

• 6:32Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 6:32Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, it does. Wait, wasn't it you that was saying, oh yeah, you put it, you wanted to get up to like 250?

• 6:37Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah. Just said that on the podcast with Jocko.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Yes. And then, uh.

• 6:41Jocko Willink?

  And then I went to run. I did it. Ran four miles and I was like, good lord.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  I'm too big.

• 6:45Jocko Willink?

  This is too much.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  And the thing is you could be 250, good weight or bad weight, you'd probably have that same thing going on. If you don't train for running the mile, you see what I'm saying?

• 6:54Jocko Willink?

  If I was training, then I wouldn't have been able to get to 250 if I'd been, if I kept running well.

• 7:01Jocko Willink?

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• 7:42Jocko Willink?

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