Jocko Underground: Can You Take a Good Razzing? Insults VS Jokes, and How to Handle Both.

Jocko discusses the difference between an insult and a good ribbing. Can you take it? Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast number seven with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. All right, so recent conversation that we had, recent conversation that we had, and I just wanted to address it because I think there's some lessons learned. So I forget what triggered the conversation, but I ended up asking you if I had ever crossed the line in my harassment of you. Now, there's actually some background behind this. This is an off-air conversation. This is an off-air conversation. We were just talking and I forget what brought it up.

• 0:40Jocko Willink?

  But Bozak, John Bozak, when we were younger and we were kids, you know, I mean, I was probably like 13, 14 years old and he's a couple of years older than me. So whatever, well, he was 15 or 16. And you know, I mean, I kind of go hard in the paint, right? And so I'll never forget it and it actually left an impact on me. Like I said something to him, some insult, some harassment to him.

• 1:10Jocko Willink?

  And he said in a playful but slightly meaningful way, right? We call that cracking but fackin'. Yes. He goes, "You always go too far." And I remembered that. It was kind of a, it was a good life lesson even at a young age to think, "Okay, I have a tendency, there's a possibility that I'm going to go too far." So you and I was probably harassing you the other day. I was like, "Wait a second, have I ever like crossed the line?"

• 1:39Jocko Willink?

  And you actually said yes. And look, this is a weird thing because I, you know, do you have an insult or do you have harassment or do you have, you know, sort of ribbing, right? That's the word for like, "Hey, I'm just ribbing." You know, we're just giving each other a hard time. And it's weird. One time I said, I used the term harassment. Like, "Oh, it's just harassing, Echo." But actually harassing is a term that's used meaning in a super negative way. Like I should be in trouble. We're not talking that kind of harassment. We're talking about gentle, fun ribbing. Yeah. Which is obviously what we do with each other all the time. I feel that my behavior was inappropriate. That's what I feel. But you agree. Like I agree with you. I agree. I was wrong. I feel like I was out of the box.

• 2:23Jocko Willink?

  And I could see sometimes, very rarely, my, uh, my, to quote John Bozak, sometimes I go a little bit far. Sometimes for a little, a little bit of self-entertainment, like I chuckled, you know, I kinda thought it was funny. While it was happy, I'm thinking, oh yeah, I go, this is gonna work. So I sacrificed, um, an appropriate behavior for a little, for my own personal little chuckle. Yeah. So I think that's a bad move. Makes sense. Bad strategic move. Okay, that's number one. I started thinking about this a little bit more deeply, just so people are thinking, where are we going with this? Is handling insults and how to handle them. So we'll get to that in a minute. Because I think it's important to think about, just like anything in life, if you have a game plan,

• 3:09Jocko Willink?

  you can, you can handle situations better. If you don't have a game plan, you get caught off-guard. Now all of a sudden, you either look dumb, feel dumb, or act dumb. Yeah. None of which we wanna do.

• 3:19Jocko Willink?

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• 4:01Jocko Willink?

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