263: DO NOT Take Freedom For Granted. We HAVE TO Preserve it.

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• 0:01Jocko Willink?

  This is Jaco Podcast number 263 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. And this podcast is brought to you by

• 0:15Jocko Willink?

  you.

• 0:18Jocko Willink?

  That's right.

• 0:21Jocko Willink?

  This podcast exists because of your support. And I've always dreaded having to say the words, "This podcast is brought to you by whatever."

• 0:35Jocko Willink?

  But we don't say that and we're not gonna say that. We're here and we're able to do we do because you support us in a bunch of different ways. And we own what we have here.

• 0:49Jocko Willink?

  And we don't rely on any companies to sponsor what we're doing, which is nice. I mean, other than the companies that we actually own.

• 1:00Jocko Willink?

  And we and the companies that we own make the stuff that we actually use to do the things that we like to do.

• 1:08Jocko Willink?

  And listen, it is a harder road to take.

• 1:14Jocko Willink?

  It's a harder road to take. You can go that eat. You can go, you can go like just get that money.

• 1:21Jocko Willink?

  And there's been times, some people that are on this podcast right now have sort of petitioned for that kind of thing, a little bit, right? Right?

• 1:33Jocko Willink?

  Well, and that's, you know, legitimately because it's, it's, it's a much harder move to try and build companies, invest in your companies and run the supply chain and the personnel and deal with all the finances and the taxes and the thousands of things that you gotta do to make a business run. And that's okay. Just did what? Guess what? It takes work, takes hard work.

• 1:53Jocko Willink?

  It takes discipline because it's a grind, but at the end of the day, guess what? That discipline gives us freedom.

• 2:04Jocko Willink?

  Gives us freedom, freedom, the freedom to talk about whatever we want, the freedom to talk for five hours without having to take a break to mention some company. We don't have to do any of that.

• 2:21Jocko Willink?

  And we can make, like I said, we can make the podcast as long as we want, as short as we want. We can do whatever we want. We got the freedom to do that.

• 2:29Jocko Willink?

  We have the freedom to do that because we also have freedom of speech, which with the

• 2:38Jocko Willink?

  with the incredible foresight and intention

• 2:43Jocko Willink?

  is the first amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.

• 2:48Jocko Willink?

  The first amendment is Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. So there you go.

• 3:14Jocko Willink?

  The government shall make no law to abridge freedom of speech. Doesn't get any clearer than that.

• 3:21Jocko Willink?

  But it does get a little muddier than that in in modern times, right? They didn't have podcasts back in the day that I'm aware of.

• 3:34Jocko Willink?

  So as smart as the founding fathers were, and as well as the Constitution has held up as a document, well, there's been, there's interesting things going on right now. Interesting things going on right now, and in some ways it's troubling. Because you see, you can see speech being

• 3:57Jocko Willink?

  controlled, you can see speech being censored, you can see meanings, the way speech is being used, being manipulated.

• 4:09Jocko Willink?

  You can see words, the meaning of words being changed, and and we've seen this before throughout history. And one of the best examples of this, it's a very clear example. And it's one I talked about with Jordan Peterson. When Jordan was on, you weren't there. The second or third time that Jordan came on, you weren't there.

• 4:33Jocko Willink?

  But we, and it's actually happened with every time he's come on, we've had some, I've had some plan about what we're going to talk about. We don't talk about any of that. We talk about something completely different. So, so on that one, we were going to talk about the Gulag Archipelago, and by Solzhenitsyn. And we did cover this one thing that I, I really wanted to talk about it because I think it's important. And it's, it's, it's a, it's an example of the way language drives thought and policy. And it's one word, the word is kulak. And the, what that word originally meant

• 5:11Jocko Willink?

  was former sort of workers or peasants that had become wealthy, right? So this person's a kulak, right? They, they, they were in the lower class and they moved up. And then over time, it became a little bit more pejorative, meaning it had a, it started to take on a negative connotation. So eventually it became Solzhenitsyn, in, in the Gulag Archipelago, he says, quote, "A kulak sort of became to represent a miserly dishonest rural trader

• 5:50Jocko Willink?

  who grows rich not through his own labor, but through someone else's." So, so it's, it's got a negative connotation, connotation. But he says about those kulaks at the time, that there wasn't that many of them. In fact, he says that they could be numbered on one's fingers. So there's a very small number of these kind of bad people that had made money and kind of made money off the backs of others. Well, as the, as the revolution went on, the communist revolution went on circa like 1915, 1916, 1917, the meaning of the word started to encompass more, more people.

• 6:37Jocko Willink?

  It started to, and this is again, this is from, this is from Solshnitsen. It started to include people, all those who in any way hired workers, even if it was only when they were temporarily short of working hands in their own families. So you had something that used to just mean someone that had kinda risen up and, and made it out of the lower class into the middle class. Then it became someone that made it to the middle class, but they did it in a bad way. And now it's, hey, anybody that's sort of, anybody that's hired another person is kulak.

• 7:13Jocko Willink?

  By the 1930s, Solshnitsen, he says that the word was used to quote, "describe all strong peasants in general. Peasants strong in management, strong in work, or even strong merely in convictions." So you can see this word, which used to just represent a very small number of people. All of a sudden, it starts to represent more and more people, if you have anyone working for you. And, and, and eventually, an official decree comes out from the government. It releases an official definition of what a kulak is. And, and by that definition, a kulak was any person who used hired labor,

• 7:58Jocko Willink?

  owned a mill, a creamery, processing equipment, or a quote, "complex machine with a motor", systematically rented out agricultural equipment or facilities, or was involved in trade, money lending, commercial brokerage, or other sources of non-labor income.

• 8:22Jocko Willink?

  And this last definition made it so that anyone that sold surplus goods, so if you had extra stuff and you sold it, you were a kulak. So now we're, we're basically now talking, if you had a yard sale, right? So now we're basically talking about, about everyone. And then the government set out to destroy the kulaks, and thereby destroy the strength of the peasantry. And, and the communists started a program called de-kulakization.

• 9:01Jocko Willink?

  We're gonna get rid of them. The, the, the people that were identified as kulaks, which again, now there's a ton of them. They were ordered to give their farm animals, their livestock to government authorities. So now, so now we're taking property.

• 9:16Jocko Willink?

  Many of them, and many of the kulaks at this time are like, okay, well then I'm gonna kill my livestock and, you know, keep the meat and use the hides. And then, when they tried to kill the livestock instead of giving them up, the communists made a new law, which made it possible to prosecute people for the malicious slaughtering of livestock.

• 9:41Jocko Willink?

  This is like, isn't it just, you see these steps going and it gets worse and worse.

• 9:48Jocko Willink?

  But that's still, still left a little bit to, a little bit, you know, you could still maybe move through that. You could still probably get away with it. So then Stalin decreed, "In order to oust the kulaks, as a class, the resistance of this class must, must be smashed in open battle and it must be deprived of the productive sources of its existence and development that is in turn towards the policy of eliminating the kulaks as a class. We're gonna get rid of all of them. And by the way, look, look at who we're talking about. We're talking about people that, we're talking about the people that had stepped up and made things happen, right? People that owned machinery, people that owned a mill, people that ran businesses. That's who they're talking about.

• 10:34Jocko Willink?

  Well, guess what? When you do that, when you get rid of the people that own farm equipment and farms and livestock, guess what happens?

• 10:44Jocko Willink?

  You run out of food. You don't have anyone making food anymore. And this leads to starvation.

• 10:51Jocko Willink?

  And, and when you get starvation, now you get people that are hungry. Now you get people, now you get kind of a mob rule thing going on. And this is a very horrible thing to think about. If you weren't starving,

• 11:04Jocko Willink?

  if you weren't starving, or your family wasn't starving, well, how could you not be starving? You would be, you would not be starving if you had food. If you had food, guess what you were? You're kulak.

• 11:19Jocko Willink?

  That's what you are. So, so what does mob rule look like? When it is approved by the government, or it's ignored by the government, what does it look like? There's a description, an author named Robert Conquest, he wrote a book called Reflections of a Ravaged Century. And this is a description from that book, which is actually from a Russian journalist Grossman, who said that the party activists who helped the state political directorate, the secret police, also known as the GPU, with arrests and deportations, quote, "were all people who knew one another well,

• 12:01Jocko Willink?

  and knew their victims. But in carrying out this task, they became dazed, stupefied. They would threaten people with guns, as if they were under a spell, calling small children kulak bastards, screaming bloodsuckers. They had sold themselves on the idea that so-called kulaks were pariahs, Untouchables vermin. They would not sit down at a parasite's table. The kulak child was loathsome. The young kulak girl was lower than a louse."

• 12:40Jocko Willink?

  Mob scenario. The book goes on to quote a guy named Lev Kopolev, a party activist. So this guy was in the communist game, who eventually became a dissident. And he said, "It was excruciating to see and hear all of this, and even worse, to take part in it. And I persuaded myself, explained to myself, I mustn't give in to debilitating pity." This is what he's telling himself. Look, I can't have any pity. "We were realizing historical necessity. We were performing our revolutionary duty. We were obtaining grain for the socialist fatherland, for the five-year plan."

• 13:34Jocko Willink?

  So Stalin ends up ordering the kulaks to be liquidated as a class. Which in turn causes the Soviet famine in 1932 and 1933. That results in at least 3 million dead. Solzhenitsyn said 6 million. 1.8 million were sent to labor colonies.

• 13:57Jocko Willink?

  Only 1.3 million ever actually made it to the labor colonies. Another half a million of them just disappeared, gone. We don't even know what happened, but obviously didn't turn out good for them.

• 14:12Jocko Willink?

  And then you have the rest of the nightmare of of the Soviet disaster.

• 14:26Jocko Willink?

  And, and you can pull that thread and you get to this

• 14:33Jocko Willink?

  language, you get to language, an attack on language. On what you say, on what people say, or what people don't say, or what people are allowed to say, or what people are forced to say.

• 14:49Jocko Willink?

  Cause our, our words.

• 14:54Jocko Willink?

  They make our thoughts. We think in words.

• 15:00Jocko Willink?

  And, and, and we have to keep our words free to keep our minds free. And I thought that we learned this.

• 15:10Jocko Willink?

  And if it didn't, if it wasn't obvious enough, obvious enough from watching what happened in the Soviet Union.

• 15:18Jocko Willink?

  Then when you read 1984 by George Orwell, you were, by George Orwell, you said, oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Got it. Didn't he spell it out for us?

• 15:30Jocko Willink?

  If you've ever read that book, and at least when I went through high school, you had to read that book.

• 15:36Jocko Willink?

  And at some point, at some point, I'm sure I will cover the whole book on the podcast.

• 15:43Jocko Willink?

  But without even talking about the plot.

• 15:48Jocko Willink?

  Just talking about the world that he paints in this, in this book. The book is, you know, it was written in the, whatever, 1947, I think, and, but it's about 1984. And you've got this omnipresent government, you've got surveillance everywhere. Everyone's heard that the Big Brother. Do you remember reading 1984?

• 16:10Speaker 01

  No.

• 16:10Jocko Willink?

  No. So it's, it's, it's a futuristic time. It's, everything is controlled by the government. You've heard Big Brother is watching you, right?

• 16:18Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 16:18Jocko Willink?

  That's where it comes from.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  There's a show called Big Brother.

• 16:21Jocko Willink?

  Oh, okay. Is it about, is it about a dystopian future?

• 16:24Speaker 01

  No, sir, it is not.

• 16:26Jocko Willink?

  What's it about?

• 16:27Speaker 01

  It's a reality show that everyone lives in this, like, house. That's a, but here's the thing, though.

• 16:33Jocko Willink?

  Dystopian?

• 16:34Speaker 01

  It's not dystopian. Well, I guess.

• 16:36Jocko Willink?

  Is there thought control?

• 16:38Speaker 01

  No, but there's cameras in every single room.

• 16:40Jocko Willink?

  Why don't they let me run a reality TV program?

• 16:43Speaker 01

  I think it's pretty clear why, but. But, but yeah, so they, they go around in the house and there's cameras, like mounted cameras in all the rooms, like surveillance cameras essentially. And you can like tune in on off times and stuff and just watch them.

• 17:00Jocko Willink?

  Like you could do that, like you could go on a website and just watch the people in the house?

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, like they, I think they used to play it on like Showtime where it's like Big Brother Live and you can just tune in and watch them do nothing, like do normal, everyday stuff. But here's the thing, there's, I think there's.

• 17:13Jocko Willink?

  Now that's totally common, right? Cause through the internet, you can just do that. There's people doing that right now. Screaming, scream or streaming their, whatever, they're doing their homework. I saw something, some thing about, I think it was a Japanese.

• 17:27Jocko Willink?

  Dude, who would like do his homework? And he was getting, he would have millions of people watching him. He was super organized, I'll give it up for him, if I remember correctly.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Could you see the content of his homework? That's different.

• 17:40Jocko Willink?

  It was like, there was multiple camera views, you know, you could kind of see what he was reading, you could see what he was working on.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:44Jocko Willink?

  And that's what he did, he did his homework, or something like that.

• 17:47Speaker 01

  Okay, so that makes sense. If it was just a picture of him doing his homework, you couldn't see the homework, that's different, that's weird. But if you can see what homework he's doing, oh yeah, that's good, man.

• 17:55Jocko Willink?

  Why is that?

• 17:55Speaker 01

  Not, I don't want to see-

• 17:56Jocko Willink?

  Why are you more into, I'm not interested in his homework at all.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  Well-

• 17:59Jocko Willink?

  I mean, pretty much.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  I'm not into video games either, but bro, you can watch people live streaming their screen in a little corner of them, their face, playing, just playing video games or whatever, and this is like, multi-million.

• 18:11Jocko Willink?

  There's, there's hundreds of people that watch those.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Hundreds of millions per minute watching that stuff. But, uh, the, it's different, because Big Brother is like them doing normal stuff all day, all night. That's the Big, Big Brother life, but they have a voice in there too.

• 18:28Jocko Willink?

  Hmm, can he give directions?

• 18:29Speaker 01

  It, it says, hey, you're breaking this rule, or you're-

• 18:32Jocko Willink?

  Who makes the rules?

• 18:33Speaker 01

  Uh, the show, or whatever.

• 18:34Jocko Willink?

  Are the rules, are the rules tyrannical in any way?

• 18:37Speaker 01

  I, no, it's a game show at the end of the day. It's like, it lasts like a few months or whatever, I don't know how long. And they, you know, they have little challenges-

• 18:45Jocko Willink?

  How do you defeat the opponents?

• 18:47Speaker 01

  In challenges.

• 18:49Jocko Willink?

  So you can fight them?

• 18:50Speaker 01

  In, yeah, and then you have a vote, and it's like, you know, it's a, it's a thing, you know?

• 18:54Jocko Willink?

  Alright, well, that, that term Big Brother comes from 1984. There's surveillance, watching you all the time. There's perpetual war going on, there's historical negation, which, which is when you falsify history, or you distort history, and there's a bunch of just really, I was gonna say cool quotes, but they're not cool, they're actually horrible quotes, but they're, they're, they really capture what the book is about, and there's one saying in the book, who controls the past controls the future, who controls the present controls the past.

• 19:32Jocko Willink?

  All these sayings in there, when you read them, you go, eesh. There's thought police who are tracking people for committing thought crimes. There's people who commit thought crimes. Who, and they, or they don't toe the party line. They don't, they don't, they don't toe the party line. And if you don't toe the party line, or if you commit thought crimes, you become an unperson.

• 20:01Jocko Willink?

  Meaning you just disappear and all evidence that you ever existed is destroyed. You are gone. You become an unperson. You get.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  Erased.

• 20:13Jocko Willink?

  You get erased, you get canceled, right? Sounds familiar, right? So you get canceled. Then, then, this is crazy.

• 20:23Jocko Willink?

  In 1984, in the book, there's something called the pro feed.

• 20:29Jocko Willink?

  Short for the proletariat. Feed, which is a steady, unending stream of mindless entertainment, which is produced to distract and occupy the minds of the masses.

• 20:48Jocko Willink?

  Does that sound familiar at all?

• 20:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:50Jocko Willink?

  So you can spend all this time distracted and wasting and being just mindlessly entertained.

• 20:59Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  Sounds like that video game scenario.

• 21:02Jocko Willink?

  It sounds like, it sounds like the thing you got in your pocket.

• 21:08Jocko Willink?

  Which by the way, gets even scarier. They have something called a tele screen. The tele screen, you watch it. And it watches you. Kind of like your phone, which is tracking where you are, identifying what you're watching. Like it's what, your phone is watching you as much as you're watching it, right? We, this is factual.

• 21:35Jocko Willink?

  There's a word, there's a word called up-sub, which means you submit to the higher authority. It's viewed in like a positive way and, and, and then all these words, all these words are framed on a, on a new evolving language, which is called new speak. So we have a new way of speaking. It's called new speak. The old way of speaking is called old speak. That's English. That's the English language is called old speak. New speak is what we're talking now. And they got a bunch of, they got a bunch of these words. And we're going to get into the language of it. But if you add plus as a prefix to any word, it strengthens the word. So good is good.

• 22:21Jocko Willink?

  Excellent. They get rid of the word excellent. They say plus good.

• 22:25Jocko Willink?

  Cause they're trying to limit the vocabulary of people.

• 22:30Jocko Willink?

  And people have old think. If people have old think, they have ideas or they have memories that are pre, prior to the revolution. So this is right, this is scary to think about.

• 22:45Jocko Willink?

  And, and I know we don't normally talk much about, you know, current events really on this podcast because there's enough, because there's enough of that filling everyone's pro feed every single day without us chiming in. I mean, you, you, you, you got pro feed coming at you 24/7, 1,000 different angles.

• 23:07Jocko Willink?

  And so, so, you know, I'm not, we don't spend a bunch of time talking about, wait, what, what happened in the last, you know, 12 hour news cycle.

• 23:17Jocko Willink?

  But you know, the other day when we were talking to Cowboy.

• 23:22Jocko Willink?

  Cowboy Khan, the Vietnamese SOG soldier. He gave me a little warning that I had to pay some attention to, you know, and he, he was saying, you know, you gotta watch out for communism.

• 23:33Jocko Willink?

  And I kind of, you know, I kind of brushed it off and said, well, you know, we're a strong country. We, we are rooted, we're rooted in freedom or something like that. And, you know, it's in our blood and we will remain free. And, and he kind of just said, be careful.

• 23:52Jocko Willink?

  Because he had seen it take over in Vietnam. And I mean, you want to talk, you look at the history of the Vietnamese people, you want to talk about rooted in freedom like that. That country is legit. They, they, they do not get, they do not take easy to occupiers. It's in their blood, freedom. And look what happened, and it happens slowly.

• 24:20Jocko Willink?

  And you can see in this, like, like in the Soviet Union. One thing that happens is it, part of it starts with speech.

• 24:32Jocko Willink?

  It starts with banning words, it starts with changing the meaning of words. And that's what happens in, in the book 1984. And there's all kinds of quotes in this book. And they're, they're just eerie. They're eerie when you hear them and you think about the context of the world right now. I plucked out some of the, some of the quotes.

• 25:03Jocko Willink?

  "If all others accepted the lie which the party imposed, if all records told the same tale, then the lie passed into history and became the truth."

• 25:20Jocko Willink?

  How about this one? "We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it."

• 25:34Jocko Willink?

  Here's one. "The ideal setup by the party was something huge, terrible, and glittering. A world of steel and concrete, of monstrous machines and terrifying weapons. A nation of warriors and fanatics, marching forward in perfect unity, all thinking the same thoughts and shouting the same slogans, perpetually working, fighting, triumphing, per- triumphing, persecuting 300 million people, all with the same face."

• 26:14Jocko Willink?

  Here's another interesting one. How could you make appeal to the future when not a trace of you, not even an anonymous word scribbled on a piece of paper could physically survive?

• 26:30Jocko Willink?

  Another section, "Every record has been destroyed or falsified. Every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue in street building has been renamed, every date has been altered, and the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the party is always right."

• 27:04Jocko Willink?

  Another one. "Never again will you be capable of ordinary human feeling. Everything will be dead inside you. Never again will you be capable of love, or friendship, or joy of living, or laughter, or curiosity, or courage, or integrity. You will be hollow. We shall squeeze you empty, and then we shall fill you with ourselves."

• 27:30Jocko Willink?

  And...

• 27:33Jocko Willink?

  This book is just filled with these eerie, eerie statements. But, in the end of the book, the main character Winston, he finally breaks. Like, he's resistant through the book, and he's trying to maintain some level of humanity and individuality. And in the end, he breaks. And it finishes up by saying, "But he was alright. But it was alright. Everything was alright. The struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself.

• 28:07Jocko Willink?

  He loved Big Brother."

• 28:15Jocko Willink?

  Very, very depressing.

• 28:19Jocko Willink?

  It's very depressing when the human spirit is broken and it's even more depressing when the human spirit is broken en masse, which is what this book portrays.

• 28:31Jocko Willink?

  And, and George Orwell does a great job, this whole, this whole, this whole explanation and this trick and this, this thing that he does with language is very powerful. And it's calculated and it's deliberate, which is, which is, which is the way it happens. And like I said, one day, I'm sure I'll cover this whole book, but tonight, I just, I just wanted to cover one part of the book. One part of the book that I want to dive into.

• 29:04Jocko Willink?

  So, so George Orwell, who wrote the book, and he's got a very interesting past, I mean, he, he had a, he, he's a very interesting guy.

• 29:14Jocko Willink?

  And the reason I say that is because he's not just some academic that sat in a ivory tower somewhere, he had a lot of experience in life. He had been a policeman in India, he had, he had fought in the Spanish Revolution, he'd been shot in the neck. So, I mean, this guy is not, this guy's not just a, you know, a, just some person that's read a bunch of books and is an academic, no, he's, he's, he's been out there in the world.

• 29:46Jocko Willink?

  But he, he wrote, so in this book, at the end of the book, he's got this appendix to the book. And the appendix, at the end of the book, is about this language, it's about this language Newspeak. And, and in a way...

• 30:05Jocko Willink?

  It might be the most important message in the book, or at least maybe it's not the most important message in the book, but it's at least, it's, it's, at least it's the least appreciated message in the book. And that, and that's why I want to read some excerpts from that because this part of the book really starts to make you think, makes me think anyways, about where we are, about what we have to be careful of. So, the appendix is written, this appendix that I'm talking about that we're going to jump into, it's written almost as like an academic assessment of the Newspeak language. So sometime in the future, beyond, okay, in the book, sometime in the future of this

• 30:48Jocko Willink?

  book, some academic type person is writing about like a historical review of this language. Because you can tell when reading it that the totalitarian, the totalitarian state that this takes place in didn't work, right? It at some point failed. It failed to really maintain the control and suppress the human spirit. So that's a positive sign, right? Even though they got Winston, some people stood up against it and they were able to fight it off. And now you get this person, this, this person writing this sort of historical documentation about this language. And you can kind of see, he kind of indicates that, that one of the reasons maybe that

• 31:31Jocko Willink?

  the, that the totalitarian government wasn't able to maintain control was because they couldn't get full control of the language. And it's very interesting, very interesting to go through. So, here we go. 1984, by George Orwell, and we're jumping, we're skipping the entire novel.

• 31:58Jocko Willink?

  Partly because I think most people have read it. I hope. But I want to jump into the, to the,

• 32:08Jocko Willink?

  this appendix. So here we go.

• 32:12Jocko Willink?

  Newspeak was the official language of Oceana, that's the, that's the totalitarian state, and had been devised to meet the ideological needs of ING-SOC, which ING-SOC is an abbreviated term for English Socialism.

• 32:29Jocko Willink?

  In the year 1984, there was not, as yet, anyone who used Newspeak as his sole means of communication, either in speech or writing. The leading articles, so, so at the, so at the point that this book was written, at the point, at the point when 1984, in 1984 in this world, no one was fully speaking Newspeak yet. That's why you could read it. That's why you could read these words. They hadn't gotten the new language to where they wanted it to be. The leading article in The Times were written in, in it, but this was a tour de force that could only be carried out by a specialist. So only like people that were really fluent in Newspeak could write the headlines.

• 33:15Jocko Willink?

  It was expected that Newspeak would have finally superseded Old Speak, or Standard English, as we should call it, by the year 2050. Meanwhile, it gained ground steadily, all party members tending to use Newspeak words and grammatical constructions more and more in their speech every day. The version in use in 1984 and embodied in the 9th and 10th editions of the Newspeak dictionary was a provisional one and contained many superfluous words and archaic formation, formations which were due to be suppressed later. It is the, it is in the final perfected version, as embodied in the 11th edition of the dictionary, that we are concerned here. So, so this is talking about something that you don't get to see in the book, which is the final kind of

• 34:00Jocko Willink?

  version of Newspeak, what they wanted it to be. The purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the worldview and mental habits proper to the devotees of ING-SOC, but to make all other modes of thought impossible.

• 34:24Jocko Willink?

  It was intended that New Speak had been adopted once and for all.

• 34:30Jocko Willink?

  That Old Speak was, would be forgotten. And a heterical thought, that is, a thought diverging from the principles of INGSOC, should be literally unthinkable.

• 34:43Jocko Willink?

  At least so far as it is dependent onwards. So there was gonna be, you couldn't, you couldn't commit a thought crime anymore because you wouldn't have the capability of expressing what it was. Its vocabulary was so constructed as to give exact and often very subtle expression to every meaning that a party member could properly wish, properly wish to express, while excluding all other meanings and also the possibility of arriving at them by indirect methods. So you couldn't even use like multiple words to figure out how to say something that wasn't on board with the party.

• 35:19Jocko Willink?

  This was done partly by the invention of new words, but chiefly by eliminating undesirable words and by stripping such words as remained of unorthodox meanings and so far as possible of all secondary meanings whatsoever. To give a single example, the word "free" still existed in New Speak, but it could only be used in such statements as, "This dog is free from lice," or "This field is free from weeds." It could not be used in the old sense of politically free or intellectually free, since political and intellectual freedom no longer existed even as concepts and were

• 36:03Jocko Willink?

  therefore of necessity nameless.

• 36:09Jocko Willink?

  Couldn't even think of it. You couldn't even think of being free. The concept didn't exist anymore. They eliminated the word.

• 36:18Jocko Willink?

  Quite apart from the suppression of definitely heretical words, reduction of vocabulary was regarded as an end in itself and no word that could be dispensed with was allowed to survive. New Speak was designed not to extend, but to diminish the range of thought. And this purpose was indirectly assisted by cutting the choice of words down to a minimum.

• 36:48Jocko Willink?

  Scary, right?

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's interesting.

• 36:52Jocko Willink?

  Newspeak was founded on the English language as we now know it, though many Newspeak sentences, even when not containing newly created words, would be barely intelligible to an English speaker of our own day. Newspeak words were divided into three distinct classes known as the A vocabulary, the V, the B vocabulary, and the C vocabulary.

• 37:14Jocko Willink?

  It will be simpler to discuss each class separately, but the grammatical peculiarities of the language can be dealt with in the section devoted to the A cat vocabulary, since the rules held good for all three categories. So this is the A vocabulary. The A vocabulary. The A vocabulary consisted of the words needed for the business of everyday life. For such things as eating, drinking, working, putting on one's clothes, going up and downstairs, riding in vehicles, gardening, cooking, and the like. It was composed almost entirely of words that we already possess. Words like hit, run, dog, tree, sugar, house, field. But in comparison with present day English vocabulary,

• 37:59Jocko Willink?

  their number was extremely small while their meanings were far more rigidly defined. All ambiguities and shades of meaning had been purged out of them. So far as it could be achieved, a Newspeak word of this class was simply a staccato sound expressing one clearly understood concept. It would have been quite impossible to use the A vocabulary for literary purposes or for political or philosophical discussions. It was intended only to express simple, propulsive thoughts usually involving concrete objects or physical actions. So the general populace can't even carry on

• 38:43Jocko Willink?

  a political debate or a philosophical discussion because they don't, just don't even have the vocabulary for it. They just can't even have it. So we're just, we're just shutting it down.

• 38:55Jocko Willink?

  The grammar of Newspeak had two outstanding peculiarities. The first was almost a complete interchangeability between different parts of speech. Any word in the language, in principle, this applied to even very abstract words such as if or when, could be used as a verb, noun, adjective, or adverb. Between the verb and the noun form, when they were of the same root, there was never any variation. This rule of itself involving the destruction of many archaic forms. The word thought, for example, did not exist in Newspeak. Its place was taken by think, which did the duty for both noun and verb.

• 39:39Jocko Willink?

  No etymological principle was followed here. In some cases, it was the original noun that was chosen for retention; in other cases, it was the verb. Even where a noun and verb of kindred meaning were not etymologically connected, one or the other of them was frequently suppressed. There was, for example, no such word for cut. Its meaning being sufficiently covered by the noun verb knife. So, can you knife me a piece of cake? Adjectives were formed by adding the suffix full to the noun verb and adverbs by adding wise.

• 40:21Jocko Willink?

  Thus, for example, speedful meant rapid and speedwise meant quickly. Certain of our present-day adjectives such as good, strong, big, black, soft, were retained, but their total number was very small. There was little need for them, since almost any adjectival meaning could be arrived at by adding full to a noun verb. None of these now-existing adverbs was retained, except very few already ending in wise. The wise termination was invariable. The word well, for example, was replaced by good wise.

• 41:02Jocko Willink?

  In addition, any word this applied in principle to every word in the language could be negatived by adding the affix un or could be strengthened by the affix plus. Or for still greater emphasis, double plus.

• 41:22Jocko Willink?

  So, for example, uncold.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  Uncold.

• 41:27Jocko Willink?

  Meant warm.

• 41:29Speaker 01

  As opposed, as opposed to uncool.

• 41:32Jocko Willink?

  There's no word for cool.

• 41:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm saying in real life, there's a word called uncool and the short version is unz. Onkoi, that's what it is.

• 41:41Jocko Willink?

  It's called unz?

• 41:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's not the temperature cool, it's you being cool or uncool.

• 41:46Jocko Willink?

  Uncool and unz.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Unz is like just short for it. So if I'm walking behind you, I trip your foot.

• 41:52Jocko Willink?

  That's unz.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  I'm pretty unz, yeah. And yeah, actually, you know what? It's, it's more used for stuff that's like more unz than that. It's like.

• 42:01Jocko Willink?

  So it's a little bit more of a severe phrase.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Severe, yes. I think so. In my experience, that's how it like if I, if I trip you and you fall and it's in front of some people, that's pretty unz.

• 42:13Jocko Willink?

  If you spill your beverage on your, I was gonna say shirt, but we're probably not wearing a shirt since we're in Hawaii.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  No, very rarely. If you do it on purpose, it's unz shirt or no shirt, I think.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  But actually, you know what? Now they think it's essentially the same thing.

• 42:28Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 42:28Speaker 01

  Except the plus part. I guess if you replace it with very, because there's like plus plus, right? If you say, that's very cool.

• 42:35Jocko Willink?

  Well, there's double plus.

• 42:36Speaker 01

  Double plus, yes.

• 42:36Jocko Willink?

  Double plus cold meant very cold.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  Dang, it's kind of efficient in a way.

• 42:42Jocko Willink?

  Wait, so uncold meant warm, plus cold and double plus cold meant very cold and superlatively cold.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, very, very cold.

• 42:52Jocko Willink?

  It was also possible in present day English to modify the meaning of almost any word by prepositional affixes, such as ante, post, up, down. By such methods, it was found possible to bring about an enormous diminution of vocabulary, given for instance, the word good.

• 43:12Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 43:14Jocko Willink?

  There was no need for such a word as bad. Since the required meaning was equally well indeed better expressed by ungood. I don't know, it seems like there could be a T-shirt possibility there. And I don't say that very often, but you know, it seems like we've talked about good a fair amount and we do have a T-shirt that does say good.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:38Jocko Willink?

  Might be kinda cool to have a T-shirt that said ungood. Maybe a picture of a Hawaiian getting tripped up on the beach.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  That would be very ungood, yes.

• 43:47Jocko Willink?

  Uncool.

• 43:50Jocko Willink?

  All that was necessary. In any case, where two words formatted a natural pair of opposites was to decide which of them to suppress. Dark, for example, could be replaced by unlight or light by undark according to preference. You get rid of one of those two words.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. Wait, according to preference, so?

• 44:07Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, so they would just pick either, uh, we got light and dark. We don't need both those words, so we pick one of them. And then put un in front of it for the other one.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  You know what's actually kinda scary, if you let it be scary, is like?

• 44:21Jocko Willink?

  This whole thing is scary.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  It kinda makes sense. That's the scary part.

• 44:25Jocko Willink?

  Well.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  Well, okay.

• 44:27Jocko Willink?

  You know where that side came from? That side came from the fact that when I was, when I was an English major.

• 44:35Jocko Willink?

  And look, man, the English language, there's, there's things that are, that make no sense whatsoever.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:41Jocko Willink?

  Like if you were a, if you have an engineering mind, right, where you like, you know, the rules, there's the rules, and you try and figure out what, how to do English? You're gonna have a real hard time with it, man.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, and that makes sense, cuz, bro, I got, you know, when I first got into whatever I got into was uh, HTML.

• 45:00Jocko Willink?

  Oh, we're talking computer languages.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, hypertext markup language, to be exact.

• 45:05Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah, of course.

• 45:06Speaker 01

  And if you go deeper into the coding thing, you know, it, it's, that's straight up, like, that is engineering mind.

• 45:12Jocko Willink?

  Right.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  Where it's like, bro, the computer's like, hey, tell me what to do, I'll do it, but you better tell me the right thing. If you, I don't know, I don't know about tones, you tell me the words or the characters or whatever, and I'll do it. And you can tell them like accidentally the wrong thing, they're gonna do that thing. That's exactly what a computer does, so you better be specific. And if you're not specific, it simply either won't happen, or it'll do the thing that you mistakenly were specific about.

• 45:37Jocko Willink?

  Yeah. That's a little something that we like to call operator error.

• 45:43Jocko Willink?

  Meaning I messed up, you know, when they, when the GPSs first came out. When they first came out, I was pretty, I was, my first reaction was like, why do I need to carry that thing? That thing weighs 25 pounds.

• 45:57Jocko Willink?

  And they're like.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, hell yeah.

• 45:59Jocko Willink?

  And then they say, well, you know, you'll know where you are. And I go, I have a map and compass. I know exactly where I am. You know, I, I've had the training. I'm doing a terrain study. I know where I'm at. I have a map and compass. I know, I know where I'm at. I mean.

• 46:15Jocko Willink?

  It'd be like, you know, if, do you need a GPS to get home right now?

• 46:20Speaker 01

  Me, no.

• 46:20Jocko Willink?

  From here.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  No, sorry.

• 46:23Jocko Willink?

  That's how I felt. If someone, when they started telling me I needed a GPS in the field, I was kind of like, the, the exact same way you feel. I was like, why would I need this thing? It weighs 25 pounds. I have a map. I have a compass. I know exactly where I am. I don't need anything else to help me.

• 46:36Jocko Willink?

  But there are some situations, you know, when you're out in the open ocean, there's no, there's nothing to get a bearing off of. There's nothing there. So when you're over the horizon, you can't shoot a bearing. Once you get closer to the shore, you can shoot a bearing and you can figure out where you are. In the open desert, sometimes too, there's nothing to shoot a bearing off of that you can see. So sometimes you do need that GPS, but the early GPSs, they, they weren't that good. They, they took a long time to find themselves, but once they found themselves, then all of a sudden I realized, well, this thing is freaking super accurate. And sometimes people would get lost, right? You know, and then they'd blame the GPS.

• 47:18Jocko Willink?

  And I would say operator error. That thing did not, is, you don't have the one GPS that took and changed the coordinates of, of Earth. That didn't happen. And sure enough, I'd pull it out and be like, oh yeah, you missed a digit here. You added to, you know, you, you fat fingered the digit over here and that's the problem.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. That, that, oh man, that's so, that's so true. So like in HTML as well, right? So it's, it's essentially like, and you, you talk about your English major and you know how it's like.

• 47:49Jocko Willink?

  I took a class called advanced grammar and syntax.

• 47:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. So the reason that, okay, say it, I'm not, I'm not an English major, but I talk English to other people. And here's this little factor in English is the, is, is one of the main differentiators. Between like the engineering situation and me talking to you situation. I can use like tones and all this stuff, my emotion and all this stuff or whatever. And I can say like literally the wrong thing, but I can say, hey, you know what I mean though? And you could probably say, yes, there is that little soft wiggly room, you know? Or if I misspeak and say someone else's name, but you know, I meant this other guy's name in a story or something like this. And I can be like, oh, you know what I mean? And you'd be like, yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. There's, that does not exist in, in.

• 48:34Jocko Willink?

  In machine language.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can't be like, you know, five, five, five, six, one, five, five, five, six, one, five, five, five, six, one, five, five, six. And then maybe like a two, you know? And if I, the thing's like, okay, two, that's on purpose. Boom, let's execute that. That's what the machine does instead of like, all right, hey, did you mean five, five, six, one on this two here? And then, you know, like a person will think that, you know?

• 48:58Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, I saw this thing one time. It was a guy trying to um, explain like, about the piano, about what, what, what it, how you play the piano good, basically. And so he plays a song and he basically hit the notes like a machine. You know what I'm saying? Like ding, ding, ding, ding, and just hit it like, and it was some famous, you know, song on the piano. I don't know what it was, but some kind of like classical piano song. But he plays it like a robot, basically just every key gets the same pressure and whatever. And then he plays it like a human. And it sounds really, really different.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:39Jocko Willink?

  So there's a lot that's going on.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  Better, you think?

• 49:42Jocko Willink?

  Oh, the, the human one was way better.

• 49:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, so yeah.

• 49:45Jocko Willink?

  It's like this too. It's the same thing with guitar. Like you can get people that pluck the notes and they can pluck them perfectly. But then you get, you know, Jimmy Page and he's, he's bending them and.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:59Jocko Willink?

  Waiting the wrong note, bringing it back. I mean.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 50:01Jocko Willink?

  It's a human element. There's a rawness to it.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:04Jocko Willink?

  There's a rawness to it that's positive.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, obviously, millions of examples, but like you have analog and digital, like even if you go film, right? If you go film, there's little imperfections in there that make it kind of a softer kind of feel, and then digital is kind of hard, even though digital is getting so advanced where it's kind of incorporating that kind of stuff in that. But CGI, for example, like if you look at early CGI, you're like, brother, it's so lame because it's too perfect. It's too like computer, it looks like a video game almost, right? You forgot like all the light bouncing off of this thing that leaf over there and all the light spill from this color of this guy's shirt and all the imperfections, all that stuff is all in play in real life. And that's how like real life is, you know?

• 50:45Speaker 01

  And then, but you try to recreate it in a computer, especially one that's not as accurate as real life, which is gonna take a while, but it's gonna feel like a computer, you know?

• 50:56Jocko Willink?

  So, I was listening to someone talking about making music, and it had to do with Jack White from the White Stripes. And, and basically, when you get a drummer, like nowadays, what they do, if you and I are gonna make a record, so here's what we do. You down? Here's what we do. We take the record, we, we, we record a snare drum, crack, and we record thirty cracks on the snare drum, we take the perfect one, that sounds perfect, that's the snare. And then we take the hi-hat, and we get the perfect, we record fifty of them, a hundred

• 51:41Jocko Willink?

  of them, we get the perfect one that sounds exactly the way we want it, and then we take that, and then we take all the different drums, we find the perfect sounds, we're making a digital drum. It's a recording of a real drum, but it is, it's the same one, it's a perfect shot, snare shot, and they take that, and then they lay down the beat, and the beat is one thousand percent accurate, because it's a computer, right? It's, it's absolutely a perfect.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  Right, right, just right on.

• 52:09Jocko Willink?

  It's right on every single time. And that right there, when you hear it. And that's what when you hear like a pop forty, whatever, like a pop forty music, that's what you're hearing. You're hearing a sure, you can be like, oh yeah, a person played that, but it got played. They can also take the drum, like if a drummer and they can line up. His, he was off by a half a millisecond. Cool. It's all perfect now. They line it all up. They line it all up. So you're hearing this, what you said, you're hearing this perfection. And

• 52:39Jocko Willink?

  there's a, there's a, there's a a fakeness to it. There's something that we don't like. When you hear like for the white stripes, because we're talking about the white stripes. Or Jack White, he's, he's doing things that you're like, oh, that was. He just did something wild, right? There's a human there. And, and that's gives it this reality. So there's a, we want to have that, you know, I want to have that. Did you think when I said what sounded, when you said what sounded better, the, the mechanical piano playing sound or the human? Did you think I was going to say the mechanical sounding one?

• 53:14Speaker 01

  Were you checking me? Yeah, that's one way to put it. Yeah, exactly. I wasn't checking you. I was like, you know how you want to expose the example? It's kind of like that, like where, because you weren't making a point or were you? I, it didn't seem like you were making a point that one was necessarily better or worse. You were just identifying what the difference. That's what it seemed like. So I

• 53:34Jocko Willink?

  I, yeah, right. You're right. I wasn't, I wasn't purposely making the point that one was better or worse. I thought that would be self evident. And if you ever heard a robot play a piano, you would know that it was kind of self evident. That sounds whack.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  I don't know that I've ever

• 53:48Jocko Willink?

  When I was a kid, they had like these pianos that had these pieces of paper. These rolls of paper. That, that would go through and it would, it was basically some kind of a mechanical computer that told it what notes to play.

• 54:08Speaker 01

  The self playing

• 54:09Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, self playing piano. Old school cell playing piano.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I would think that that would still have this analog feel to it if it was physical paper.

• 54:19Jocko Willink?

  It had a little bit, it had more analog than a computer because guess what? The, the analog machine is like not perfect.

• 54:29Speaker 01

  It's still doing the work. Yeah, exactly right.

• 54:30Jocko Willink?

  It still has to like hit the note in there.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:33Jocko Willink?

  It's just to hit that little thing has to hit the string.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:36Jocko Willink?

  And that's a mechanical thing, right?

• 54:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's absolutely correct.

• 54:40Jocko Willink?

  It's mechanical, not digital.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 54:42Jocko Willink?

  It's analog, I guess, is what we're saying.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. CGI is a big one again, back to that, like, you know how they computer and still they don't have this down at all. I don't, I mean, it's, they're getting good. I don't, I don't think they're very even close to it yet, but um, you know, they can recreate certain things digitally in CGI, like water and machines and light and all this stuff. And some of it, they have it straight up, they have it down. But if you come to, when it comes to the human face, the human face, when it's, and when it's not animated, it's good. It's pretty solid. They can get skin tones and reflections and transparency, all that stuff. But when they start talking, there's so many complexities in your face. And as a human being, instinctually, we recognize them so deeply.

• 55:24Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  We just can't, we're not even there, Renee. So.

• 55:27Jocko Willink?

  But are we improving our technology so rapidly that we'll get there a lot quicker than we've got to this point?

• 55:31Speaker 01

  I, I think so. Yeah, I, I believe that is the case. But as of right now, you can get the best, best, best one. When it's completely made from CGI, because now they get a real person's face. And they match this and match that. And even then, man, it's really hard. Um, unless it's like a super simple expression or a, or a pause or something like that. But you get someone to talk, a CGI face to talk, no matter how good it is, it looks weird. It looks actually scary because it looks like, oh, are you trying to be a person?

• 56:02Jocko Willink?

  What about the deep fakes? Somebody just posted a deep fake of me.

• 56:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the deep fakes are a little bit different.

• 56:08Jocko Willink?

  It was kinda cool.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 56:09Jocko Willink?

  I was kinda like.

• 56:10Speaker 01

  Those are kinda scary too, though. When you, when you think about it or whatever, I mean, for different reasons, obviously, but um, yeah, the deep fakes, they take an actual face, though. It's not recreated digitally. They take your actual face from a million or however many available representations of your face actually exist. They take that and then they match it up to another face. So that's a different process. But if you get a basically essentially a sculptor and a rigger, it's rigging, it means like, oh, I'm gonna control this eyebrow and this eyelid and all this stuff. You rig everything, the best, best guys, it's gonna look like a

• 56:46Jocko Willink?

  Weird.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  Like a weird monster. And then there's a word for it. The, the, the fact that it's weird. It's called the uncanny valley. And it's like, so it's this valley between the real deal, recognizing it as the real deal, and then a fake deal. So the smaller the uncanny valley, the more offsetting it is. So if it's like a straight up robot face, like remember the back of it, like Short Circuit, remember that movie? Short Circuit? Number five, anyway.

• 57:10Jocko Willink?

  But I did, I did watch E T. the other day with, I don't even, there's obviously no C G I. in there, but man. I hadn't seen E T. since I was ten or whatever, eight, or whenever it came out, I saw it in the theater. And like, I remembered like this really good movie, you know, like space and aliens. Have you watched it lately?

• 57:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 57:29Jocko Willink?

  I, I was, I was really kinda unimpressed. Steven Spielberg, if you're out there, I like, I get it, bruh. You were working with what you had at the time, all good. Jaws is one of my favorite movies ever, so I appreciate that a hundred percent. But, you know, when I saw E T., bruh, it was kinda, it was, it was definitely not what. You know.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  Why wait, what about it like the?

• 57:56Jocko Willink?

  Well, for one thing, this quote special effects like ET looks like a like a doll that someone's moving around. It's crazy to watch.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  Maybe his planet, that's how they look. You see what I'm saying?

• 58:08Jocko Willink?

  Come at me.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  But there isn't actually an argue because they call that practical effects versus visual effects. So like practical effects is like um like the physical thing. Visual is like CGI.

• 58:18Jocko Willink?

  Right.

• 58:19Speaker 01

  Um, it, there's a big argument for practical effects.

• 58:23Jocko Willink?

  I, I, I normally like practical effects.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think we all do. But the the uncanny valley thing. Like ET even, for example, if it's so obviously not a person, no one, it's not going to off put anybody. Everyone's gonna be like, okay, cool. It's a non person, whatever it is, robot, alien, whatever. But if it is a person, but it's not exactly, exactly straight up a real person, everyone's gonna be freaking weirded out by that thing.

• 58:48Jocko Willink?

  So what's what's to bring this back to what we're talking about and believe it or not, this entire

• 58:54Jocko Willink?

  rabbit hole we just went down to down is absolutely applicable to what we're talking about because what we're talking about is we're talking about removing the ability for human beings to express themselves properly. We're removing that ability and when we remove words from the language, we're removing the ability for humans to to express themselves. And therefore we are removing their ability to think. And that is a scary thing.

• 59:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, it's like the the difference between, you know, when you take a test.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  And there's all kinds of tests, right? So there's like, if you go down the spectrum of tests, there's like the the essay question or the thesis, really, the straight up thesis. There's probably more comprehensive tests than that, but well, thesis.

• 59:45Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  Then you got your essay question test. Then you got a

• 59:50Jocko Willink?

  Multiple choice and then true false.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  No, actually, there's a few before multiple choice because you got your um like, hey, what's this? And you have to say the answer.

• 59:59Jocko Willink?

  Okay, fill in the death.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Fill in the death, fill in the blanks, sentence, word, whatever. And you got your multiple choice, right? A, B, C, D, E, all, all the above, not the above, whatever. Then you got your

• 1:00:11Jocko Willink?

  True, false.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  False. Yeah. So now you got just straight binary now. True, false. No room for freaking nuance. No, nothing. You see what I'm saying?

• 1:00:22Jocko Willink?

  What test did you prefer the most?

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  Well, depends. Depends what, how old I was and what, you know, what the subject was for sure. If I didn't care, but just wanted the, uh, great, obviously the true false.

• 1:00:35Jocko Willink?

  Really? See, I always felt like I, I always felt like I had a little bit of a better, you know, cause maybe I wasn't, you know, when, when we're talking, we're talking, you know, teenage years, maybe I wasn't quite really doing much studying at that time.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 1:00:50Jocko Willink?

  So, so I could maybe write a better essay and fill in the blanks a little bit about what, you know, maybe I, there's a concept because I was good if I understood a concept, I could kind of run with it.

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:01Jocko Willink?

  Whereas true, false, like what happened on this date? I'd be like, cause I didn't read, I didn't study it, you know?

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:06Jocko Willink?

  Now, when I went to college, I was like, bring it. I was like, what test you, what kind of test you want to give me?

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, but a lot of those, so true, and I'm sure educators have a good grasp on why you would ever administer a true, false question, uh, test versus, you know, any of the other ones. And I hope anyway, because man, if you're doing like a, like a history, true, false, like that's way more dangerous because of like how much nuance or in perspective, like if you go, okay, so my daughter will ask me questions and I'll always answer, and I told you this before, where I'll always answer with depends. Like, what's your, what's your favorite color? Freaking depends.

• 1:01:42Jocko Willink?

  Good one.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  Bro, my favorite color, what, wearing stuff or my car or, bro, it's different, you know, or, or not even necessarily, it is different.

• 1:01:50Jocko Willink?

  You just don't say black and call it.

• 1:01:51Speaker 01

  It can be.

• 1:01:53Jocko Willink?

  Tiger stripe camo?

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  Most actually, my favorite color actually is black and they know that, but then she'll always probe me be like, what's your favorite color? What's your favorite color? And then so it makes you think about it, you know? So I'm like, black, but bro, I'm not gonna wear like, black under, in certain circumstances, certain blacks, you know?

• 1:02:12Jocko Willink?

  So speaking of tests and speaking of language, because I'm over here just trying to reel things back into the subject, which is, you know, cool. We got some opposing forces here.

• 1:02:21Speaker 01

  It depends.

• 1:02:22Jocko Willink?

  So check this out. When you, when you, when you went to college and you took, was there a possibility of taking a class? Where you wouldn't get graded by a letter, but you would either get through the class or not get through the class?

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:39Jocko Willink?

  What was that called?

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  Pass, no pass.

• 1:02:41Jocko Willink?

  Okay. So when I, because my, my, uh, one of my daughters in college, they're like offering now, since everything's online, you can take every class. She says, I can tell you know, she said, they're telling us, we could take every class, pass, no pass.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  Oh, that's, that's like the option.

• 1:02:56Jocko Willink?

  When I was a kid, you know what it's called? Pass fail.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's what I, that's what it was in ours too, yeah.

• 1:03:04Jocko Willink?

  It was called pass fail.

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:05Jocko Willink?

  Now it's called pass, no pass.

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  No pass.

• 1:03:08Jocko Willink?

  Right?

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  Unpass, I guess.

• 1:03:09Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, unpass, right? Because we, we remove the word fail.

• 1:03:14Jocko Willink?

  Out of the vocabulary.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Might, might mess with people's self-esteem then.

• 1:03:18Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, that's a fail.

• 1:03:21Speaker 01

  There is your fail right there.

• 1:03:23Jocko Willink?

  All right, we're getting back to the book. The second distinguishing mark of Newspeak grammar was its regularity. Subject to few exceptions which were mentioned below, all inflections followed the same rules. Thus, in all verbs, the preterite and, and past participle were the same and ended in ed. The preterite of steal was steeled, the preterite of think was thinkt, and so on throughout the language. All such forms, such as swam, gave, brought, spoke, taken, being abolished. So you like this part because now it's all more uniformed. The rules are, all plurals were made by adding s's or es's, as the case might be.

• 1:04:06Jocko Willink?

  The, the plurals of man, ox, life, were mans, oxes, lives. Comparison of adjectives was invariably made by adding er or est. Good, gooder, goodest.

• 1:04:23Jocko Willink?

  Irregular forms and more and the more most formation being suppressed. So they got rid of they got rid of more and most and just got good gooder goodest.

• 1:04:35Jocko Willink?

  The only classes of words which were still allowed to inflect regularly were the pro man pronouns, the relatives, the demonstrative adjectives and the auxiliary verbs. All of these followed their ancient usage, except that whom had been scrapped is unnecessary. And the shall should tenses had been dropped. All their uses being covered by will and would. There were also certain irregularities in word formation arising out of the need for rapid and easy speech. A word that was difficult to utter was liable to be incorrectly heard was held to be ipso facto a bad word. Occasionally, therefore, for the sake of of euphony euphony, extra letters were inserted into a word or an archaic formation was retained.

• 1:05:18Jocko Willink?

  But this was but this need made itself felt chiefly in connection with the be vocabulary. Why so great an importance was attached to ease of pronunciation will be made clear later in this essay. So one of their main purposes was to make these things easy to say and not and clear.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:40Jocko Willink?

  We're trying to dumb everything down for society.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, like you know how every once in a while you see like one of these little diagrams? And they say like, I don't know if they actually, I don't think they say this is proper. But the whole diagram implies that it's proper. So it's like, very good. And then they say, don't say very good, say excellent.

• 1:06:07Jocko Willink?

  Got it.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  Don't say whatever, say that, you know, they like, they tell you the actual

• 1:06:11Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  word for like, don't. And it's it in a weird way, it almost seems like it's the opposite of that, you know? Where if it's like, hey,

• 1:06:19Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah, they're trying to expand your vocabulary.

• 1:06:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:21Jocko Willink?

  It is the opposite. Like when you're in when you write a a a English paper in ninth grade and you say, The chicken that I ate last night was very, very, very dry.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:35Jocko Willink?

  You get, don't you come up with a better word.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  Right. Don't just put another very on that thing to give it another level of goodness.

• 1:06:42Jocko Willink?

  Yeah. Yeah, that's what that's, that's a beautiful thing. That's the way it should be. We should be, we should be, people should be learning more words. Our vocabulary should be growing.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know what's interesting?

• 1:06:57Jocko Willink?

  Very interesting.

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  Very interesting. Fascinating. What, what's the next word?

• 1:07:02Jocko Willink?

  We'll go fascinating.

• 1:07:04Speaker 01

  Cause no, interesting kinda seemed ambiguous. Like it's interesting in a good way or a bad way, you know?

• 1:07:09Jocko Willink?

  True.

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  Fascinating is like, I'm, it's like wonderfully interesting.

• 1:07:14Jocko Willink?

  Okay. Is that what this is?

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  No, maybe. I don't know. Certain levels. Anyway, um, even in slang, we have that, you know? Like even like,

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  I can't think of an example strangely, but you know, like how slang, like you'll have it like, oh yeah, you're a, okay, these are all swear words, so I don't want to do that example, but you can be like, oh yeah, he's cool or he's, um,

• 1:07:42Jocko Willink?

  Whack?

• 1:07:42Speaker 01

  Whack, or he's dope, or he's what, you know, and there's all these escalating levels of slang.

• 1:07:48Jocko Willink?

  hierarchy of compliments.

• 1:07:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, so you could say, oh yeah, he's cool, or you can say he's very cool, or you can say he's like, the bee's knees. I don't know. I just made that up or whatever. I didn't make it up, just thought of it, but you know how like there's different slang words for different degrees of a certain thing.

• 1:08:05Jocko Willink?

  So even slang has an escalating hierarchy of words to explain things.

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, the expanded slang vocabulary exists as well.

• 1:08:15Jocko Willink?

  Uh, now we get into the B vocabulary. The B vocabulary consisted of words which had been deliberately constructed for political purposes. Words, that is to say, which not only had every case, in every case, a political implication, but were intended to impose desirable, a desirable mental attitude on the person using them without a full understanding of the principles of ING SOC. It was difficult to use. These words correctly. In some cases, they could be translated into old speak or even into words taken from a vocabulary. But this usually demanded a long paraphrase and always involved the loss of certain overtones. The B words were a sort of verbal shorthand, often packing whole ranges of ideas into a few syllables.

• 1:08:58Jocko Willink?

  And at the same time, more accurate and forcible than ordinary language. The B words were in all cases, compound words. They consisted of two or more words or portions of words welded together in an easily pronuncible form. The resulting was always a noun verb and inflected according to the ordinary rules. To take a simple example, the word good think.

• 1:09:28Jocko Willink?

  Meaning very roughly orthodoxy, or if one choose to regard it as a verb to think in an orthodox manner. This inflected as follows noun verb good think the past tense and past participle good think present participle good thinking adjective good thinkful and adverb good think wise verbal noun good thinker. The B words were not constructed on any etymological plan.

• 1:09:56Jocko Willink?

  The words of which they were made up could be parts of any speech. Could be placed in any order and mutilated in any way, which made them easy to pronounce while indicating their derivatives. And the word crime think. Thought crime, for instance, the think came second, whereas in think poll, which was the thought police. It came first. And in the latter, the word police had lost its second syllable. Because the great difficulty in making it sound good. Irregular formations were commoner in the B vocabulary than the A vocabulary. For example, adjective forms of miniature, sorry, mini true. Mini packs, mini love were respectively.

• 1:10:42Jocko Willink?

  The ministry of truth, many truthful, many peaceful, many lovely. Simply because truthful, pacful and lovely, loveful were slightly awkward to pronounce.

• 1:10:53Jocko Willink?

  He went deep on this.

• 1:10:56Jocko Willink?

  Some of the B words had highly subtleized meanings. Subtleized meanings, barely intelligible to anyone who had not mastered the language as a whole. Consider, for example, the typical sentence from a Times leading article as old thinkers unbelieve in sock.

• 1:11:16Jocko Willink?

  The shortest rendering that could make this of, that could make, that one could make of this in Old Speak would be, "Those whose ideas were formed before the revolution cannot have a full emotional understanding of the principles of English socialism." So that whole sentence gets translated into, "Old thinkers unbelieve in sock."

• 1:11:43Jocko Willink?

  "The greatest difficulty facing the compilers of New Speak, of the New Speak dictionary, was not to invent new words, but having invented them to make sure what they meant, to make sure," that is to say, "what ranges of words they canceled because of their existence." If you, if you made up a new word, it had to get rid of a bunch of other words.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:04Jocko Willink?

  We have already seen that in the case of the word "free," words which had once borne a heterical, a heretical, a heretical message, meaning, were sometimes retained for the sake of convenience, but only with the undesirable meanings purged out of them.

• 1:12:21Jocko Willink?

  Other words, such as honor, justice, morality, internationalism, democracy, science, and religion, had simply ceased to exist.

• 1:12:33Jocko Willink?

  A few blanket words covered them, and in covering them abolished them.

• 1:12:39Jocko Willink?

  All words grouping themselves around the concepts of liberty and equality, for instance, were contained, contained in the single word "crime-think," while all words grouping themselves around the concepts of objectivity and rationalism were contained in the single word, word "old-think."

• 1:13:02Jocko Willink?

  Man.

• 1:13:05Jocko Willink?

  That's really disturbing to think about. Just the fact that you take, you get rid of the words.

• 1:13:14Jocko Willink?

  And now, how do we even, you know, how do you teach it to your kids?

• 1:13:20Jocko Willink?

  Greater precision would have been dangerous. What was required in a party member was an outlook similar to that of the ancient Hebrew, who knew, without knowing much else, that all nations other than his own worshipped false gods. He did not need to know that these gods were called Baal, Osiris, Moloch, and the like. Probably the less he knew about them, the better for his orthodoxy. That's a very cool explanation. He knew Jehovah and the commanders of Jo- and the commandments of Jehovah. He knew therefore that all gods with other names or other attributes were false gods. In somewhat the same way, the party member knew what constituted right conduct.

• 1:14:05Jocko Willink?

  And in exceedingly vague, generalized terms, he knew what kinds of departure from it were possible. But you only know the right, and everything else is just bad. Everything else is false, everything else is a lie, that's all you need to know.

• 1:14:22Jocko Willink?

  No B word, no word in the B vocabulary was ideologically neutral. A great many name, names were euphemisms. Words, such words, for instance, as Joy Camp.

• 1:14:36Jocko Willink?

  Which was a forced labor camp. Or Mini-Pax, which is the Ministry of War, which is the Ministry of Peace is what it was short for, but it really meant the Ministry of War, meant almost the exact opposite of what they appeared to mean. Some words, on the other hand, displayed a frank and contemptuous understanding of the real nature of oceanic society. An example was Prol Feed, meaning the rubbishy entertainment and spurious news which the party handed out to the masses. Other words, again, were ambiv- ambivalent, having the connotation, good, when applied to the party, and bad when applied to its enemies. Good thinking, bad thinking.

• 1:15:16Jocko Willink?

  But in addition, there were great numbers of words which at first sight appeared to be mere abbreviations and which derive their ideological color, not from their meaning, but from their structure.

• 1:15:34Jocko Willink?

  Fast forward a little bit. Talk starts talking about, um, in the Ministry of Truth, for example, the Records Department in which Winston Smith works, worked, was called the RecDep. The fictional department was called the FicDep. The teleprograms department was called the TeleDep and so on. This was not done solely with the object of saving time. Even in the early decades of the 20th century, telescoped words and phrases had been one of characteristic features of political language. And it had been noticed that the tendency to use abbreviations of this kind was most marked in totalitarianism countries and totalitarian organizations.

• 1:16:14Jocko Willink?

  Examples were such words as Nazi, Gestapo, Comintern, agiprop. In the beginning, the practice had been adopted as, as it were instinctively, but newspeak, but, but in newspeak, it was used with a conscious purpose. It was perceived that in thus abbreviating a name, one narrowed the subtlety, altered, and altered its meaning by cutting out most of the associations that would otherwise cling to it. That's very interesting. The words Communist International, for instance, call up a composite picture of universal

• 1:16:55Jocko Willink?

  human brotherhood, red flags, barricades, Karl Marx, and the Paris Commune. The word Comintern, on the other hand, suggests merely a tight-knit organization of well-defined body of doctrine. It refers to something almost as easily recognized and limited in purpose as a chair on a table. I wonder why I use Communist International instead of Nazis? It seems like Nazis is the, like, National Socialism. Those two words have their own meanings, you know, and, and, you know, you can attach a bunch of things to nationalism and socialism, but, you know, when you put those words together and show them, and a Nazi, doesn't get more obvious that we just made something different? And, and like he's saying, it makes it a tight group.

• 1:17:39Jocko Willink?

  It removes all the other things that can hang on to these words.

• 1:17:45Jocko Willink?

  In the same way, the associations called up by a word like mini true are fewer and more controllable than those called up by Ministry of Truth.

• 1:17:56Jocko Willink?

  This accounted for the habit, not only the habit of abbreviating whenever possible, but also for the almost exaggerated care that was taken to make every word easily pronounceable.

• 1:18:15Jocko Willink?

  For the purposes of everyday life, it was no doubt necessary, or sometimes necessary, to reflect before speaking, but a party member, a party member called upon to make a political or ethical judgment should be able to spray forth the correct opinions as automatically as a machine gun spraying forth bullets. His training fitted him to do this. The language gave him an almost foolproof instrument, and the texture of the words and their harsh sound and certain willfulness, willing, willful ugliness, which was in accord with the spirit of Ingsok, assisted the process further. This, that, that little section there was like, remind me of what you see today when people just have their go-to terms, that they're, that's, that's what they're gonna throw, right? They just have, they're just gonna attack

• 1:18:59Jocko Willink?

  with the, the, the, the, the damn attack words.

• 1:19:12Jocko Willink?

  You know, like, I'm coming at you, right?

• 1:19:17Jocko Willink?

  You just, you just hear it. What are the buzzwords? That's what I was looking for.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  More like cliche?

• 1:19:22Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, but they're coming at you with the cliche. Oh, like, oh, that guy's a commie, that guy's a Nazi, you know, they, they, they got, they're just gonna, you, you, you're on the other side? Cool. You're a Nazi.

• 1:19:34Speaker 01

  Oh, right, like, they, they kind of...

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  Throw it all kinda into one, almost like um.

• 1:19:40Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, here's, here's my argument, you know, you say, hey Jocko, um, I think that uh, there should be voter ID in America. And I say, you're a Nazi.

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 1:19:52Jocko Willink?

  You know, like, that's, that's kinda the same thing. And then ba- basically then all my friends start calling you a Nazi as well.

• 1:19:57Speaker 01

  Right, right. Or racist or whatever.

• 1:19:59Jocko Willink?

  And then I say, well, you know, Echo, I think that we should have, uh, you know, s- some form of welfare to help people out. And you're like, you're a commie. And then all your friends call me a commie. So that's like, that's what I'm saying. That's what that reminds me of.

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  Gotcha, yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:12Jocko Willink?

  Everybody should be able to spray forth the correct opinions as automatically as a machine gun spraying forth bullets.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  Correct opinion.

• 1:20:20Jocko Willink?

  Yup. Scary.

• 1:20:28Jocko Willink?

  Then you get into the C vocabulary, and when you get into C vocabulary, there was indeed no word for science. Any meaning that could possibly bear being already covered by the word ing sock. So, so everything is just, it's just based on ing sock. And science, that's just ing sock. That's what they say is correct. That's science. So you don't need all these other words. And, and, and C vocabulary was supplementary to others and consisted entirely of scientific and technical terms. But, like I said, there's not too many of them.

• 1:21:08Jocko Willink?

  Ideas inimical to ing sock, which is like hostile to ing sock, could be, could only be entertained in a vague, wordless form. And could not only be named in very broad terms, which lumped together and condemned whole groups of heresies without defining them in doing so. So it's kinda similar to what I just said. Oh, you, you want, you, you're, you're, you're a conservative? You're a Nazi. Oh, you're a liberal? You're a commie. That's the same thing, right? That your whole group is just Nazis. Your whole group is just commies. That's where we're at.

• 1:21:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:21:54Jocko Willink?

  The concept of political equality no longer existed. And this secondary meaning had accordingly been purged out of the word equal.

• 1:22:06Jocko Willink?

  In 1984, when Old Speak was still the normal means of communication, the danger theoretically existed that in using New Speak, words one might remember their original meanings. In practice, it was not difficult for any person to be well-grounded in double-think, to avoid doing this, but within a lapse, within a couple generations, even the possibility of such a lapse would have vanished.

• 1:22:28Jocko Willink?

  So they're gonna get rid of the language over time, like, my kid might remember the other meaning of the word "free", but his kids are gonna, maybe, maybe, maybe his kids, but by the time you get two generations, we're good. No more freedom. Not even, not even a thought.

• 1:22:44Jocko Willink?

  Getting to the end here, when Old, and I'm fast-forwarding through a bunch of stuff. When Old Speak had been once and for all superseded, the last link with the past would have been severed. So if they could have gotten control of the language, they would have made it. History had already been rewritten, but fragments of the literature of the past survived here and there, imperfectly censored. They didn't quite get rid of all the language. And so, long as one retained one's knowledge of Old Speak, it was possible to read them. In the future, such fragments, even if they are chance to survive, would be unintelligible and untranslatable.

• 1:23:26Jocko Willink?

  It was possible to translate any passage of Old Speak into New Speak unless it, unless it either referred to some technical process, or some very simple notion, very simple everyday action, or was already orthodox. Good, thankful, would be the New Speak expression and tendency. In practice, this meant no book written before approximately 1960 could be translated as a whole. Pre-revolutionary literature could only be subjected to ideological translation, that is alteration in sense as well as language. Take, for example, the well-known passage from the Declaration of Independence. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they

• 1:24:07Jocko Willink?

  are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men, deriving their powers from the consent of the governed; that whatever any form of government becomes destructive of those ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and so to institute new government." It would have been quite impossible to render this into Newspeak while keeping it to the sense of the original. The nearest one could come to doing so would be to swallow the whole passage up in the

• 1:24:52Jocko Willink?

  single-word crime thing. Straight up. The whole thing was just crime speak. Goes on here, "A good deal of the literature of the past was indeed already being transformed this way. Considerations of prestige made it desirable to preserve the memory of certain historical figures, while at the same time bridging their achievements into line with the philosophy of Ingsack. Various writers, such as Shakespeare, Milton, Swift, Byron, Dickens, and some of the others, were therefore in the process of translation. When the task had been completed, their original writings, with all else that survived of the literature of the past, would be destroyed.

• 1:25:37Jocko Willink?

  These translations were a slow, difficult business, and it was not expected that they would be finished before the first or second decade of the 21st century. There were also large quantities of merely utilitarian literature, indispensable technical manuals and the like, that had to be treated the same way. It was chiefly in order to allow time for the preliminary work of translation that the final adoption of Newspeak had been fixed for so late a date as 2050."

• 1:26:11Jocko Willink?

  So, there you go. That's this appendix and you can see that they failed. They failed to change the language, which means they failed to get control of speech. They failed to ban free thought because of that. And because of that, they failed to successfully enslave the world in their tyranny. So,

• 1:26:44Jocko Willink?

  very,

• 1:26:48Jocko Willink?

  very scary, very scary document. And that's the language. That's the control of the language based on reality, based on history. The language control of a government of a dystopian future. And you can see it's amazing how close Orwell got it.

• 1:27:16Jocko Willink?

  And as Cowboy warned us, it's something we need to watch out for. And

• 1:27:25Jocko Willink?

  we can't control everything, but we need to control what we can. And going back to the beginning of this, that's why we don't have sponsors here who might limit what we say or limit what we talk to, or limit who we talk to. That's why this podcast, right here, what we're doing. That's why it's open and it's free for everyone. So that as many people as possible hear the lessons of history.

• 1:28:01Jocko Willink?

  Hear the reflections of human nature in the past, so we can all learn and we can remember what's happened in the past, so we don't repeat it.

• 1:28:19Jocko Willink?

  So we've managed to maintain control of that. But we don't really have control of everything here. And, and one of the things that we don't have control of is the platforms that we come out on. And we rely, obviously, we rely heavily on the platforms. And the platforms have been good to, good, good to us. For the most part, so far. All the platforms, wherever you're listening to this right now, we've been treated well. It's been good.

• 1:28:50Jocko Willink?

  But at the same time, any of those platforms that we publish this podcast on could, they could actually shut us down if they wanted to. They could pull the plug, they could hold us hostage. And I don't like that. And, and we don't like that.

• 1:29:13Jocko Willink?

  So we did some contingency planning. Little contingency planning, look, hope, what's, what's the purpose of contingency? Hopefully you don't need to use a contingency plan. That's the hope, is that you don't need to use a contingency plan. But

• 1:29:30Jocko Willink?

  if we have to, we, we, we figured we better do some contingency planning just in case. So we're gonna, we're putting together our own platform as a contingency. Setting up our own network or, I guess reinforcing it. Being prepared. If we have to, I hope it doesn't go that way, but we'll be ready to, we'll have a little sovereign land of our own. Echo Charles, our own little sovereign, little area, little digital land, little, little autonomous place

• 1:30:10Jocko Willink?

  that we, we will have control over, that we can do what we want. And Echo's been working hard on this, right? To put this together. A place where we can muster if we have to, a place where we can bring our friends, their podcasts if we need to. A place where we can talk and we can argue and we can theorize. A place where we can dissent, we can subvert and we can rebel, a place where we're free.

• 1:30:45Jocko Willink?

  A place where we are free to do what we want to do in case we need it.

• 1:30:56Jocko Willink?

  Okay, so it sounds fired up to me, actually.

• 1:31:01Jocko Willink?

  What does it mean pragmatically? So like I said, Echo has been for the past few weeks putting together some the the the actual sovereign world. The the underground, the the Def Core Underground.

• 1:31:20Jocko Willink?

  Doing the technical work besides just pressing record. Echo has skills, a separate, so so so what we set up, what Echo set up, because it's pretty much, I didn't do anything besides like say, we better do this just in case. And Echo said, Roger that. So a separate an underground, a podcast feed that's underground, right?

• 1:31:47Jocko Willink?

  A separate underground forum.

• 1:31:51Jocko Willink?

  A separate underground kind of way to communicate to us.

• 1:31:58Jocko Willink?

  And listen.

• 1:32:00Jocko Willink?

  This podcast that we're doing right here, the Jocko Podcast, this will remain free and available to all for as long as it is allowed to be free and available. I will never change that by my own volition. And believe me, we have had opportunity upon opportunity to do that. To go behind the firewall.

• 1:32:23Speaker 01

  Paywall.

• 1:32:24Jocko Willink?

  The paywall. And we haven't done that. And we won't do that. So as long as this, as long as we're allowed to do this, we'll do it.

• 1:32:36Jocko Willink?

  But if, but we do need to have contingency planning. If you want to get in the game, if you want to support the underground. That would be appreciated. And, and in order to, like, when we do that, in order, we gotta give something, in order to kind of show our appreciation, we'll do some things on the underground to, you know, show our appreciation, you know, maybe some additional sort of podcast things, maybe some podcasts that don't fit in the typical format of a usual Jocko podcast, because that's one thing that, you know, I think that the, I try and maintain a consistency with the Jocko podcast that when you press play,

• 1:33:19Jocko Willink?

  you kind of know what you're getting, or you at least have some idea. So for me to throw out something that's, you know, really, uh, maybe a lot shorter, or maybe it's a different subject matter, or maybe it's some kind of current events based thing, whatever, I don't know. But we'll be able to do that. We'll be able to do that. We'll be able to do whatever we want, because we will have pure,

• 1:33:42Jocko Willink?

  pure freedom. We'll answer questions, probably do some Q and A a little bit more, because, you know, at some point, if you recall the early days of the podcast, it was like, A, I could just respond to you on Twitter, which I would, because it was just, hey, oh, you asked a question? Cool, I'll just answer you. Or if it was a good question, maybe we're going on the podcast and answer it. But that became overwhelming, um, because there's just too many questions to answer them all, having even done a Q and A in a while. So we'll do some Q and A type stuff. This is, you know, so you can ask questions direct.

• 1:34:18Jocko Willink?

  Now, you were saying something about like doing some kind of live connections?

• 1:34:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:24Speaker 01

  If we choose to, yeah.

• 1:34:25Jocko Willink?

  So if people want to, well, it's we, me, the proverb, you, all of us, we.

• 1:34:30Speaker 01

  If that's our choice, yes.

• 1:34:32Jocko Willink?

  Uh, yeah. So that's what we're doing. Obviously, we'll be open to whatever suggestions you, you know, you got. So that's what we're doing.

• 1:34:42Jocko Willink?

  Well, we gotta pay for it. There's gonna be a little price, a little price to pay for freedom. We came up with a, a pricing number. If you can figure out the layers of this number, what will they win? Let's, let's, this needs to be rewarded. If you can, I, I, I bet someone can figure it out. The, if you, if you, if you wanna join, eight dollars and 18 cents a month.

• 1:35:13Jocko Willink?

  And if you can figure out the layers between, behind eight 18, let us know. You'll win something. Something, yeah. It'll be cool, something. It'll be a cool something. Do you think it's so obvious that everyone will figure it out? It's very possible. Okay, so maybe you, if, depending on how many people get, oh, let's say this, the first three people. Okay. That get it will be rewarded. But that way, you know, look, a little bit of, a little bit of cost for freedom. That way we can invest in all these different things that we wanna do. And, and by the way, if you're freaked out, or you're like, money grab and whatever, cool. No, no factor. If you can't afford that, if it's too much, we, we want you to listen.

• 1:35:54Jocko Willink?

  If you email [email protected], Echo will take care of you. He's writing down that email right now, because he just made it up. He will have it live. And yeah, but if you can't afford to chip in, that's awesome too, and we appreciate it. There's also, you know, talking to some other friends right now that have other podcasts about, you know, giving them the same kind of, bringing them into the fold, and that's where we're at. And like I said, I hope it doesn't come to a point where we need to go full Defcore Underground.

• 1:36:26Jocko Willink?

  But we prepare. We make contingency plans and we execute. So we'll do some cool stuff. And we'll be ready.

• 1:36:38Jocko Willink?

  One more excerpt from 1984. Here's the quote. "Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end, we shall make thought crime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it." End quote.

• 1:37:01Jocko Willink?

  Well, we will maintain the words and we will maintain our freedom.

• 1:37:14Jocko Willink?

  Echo?

• 1:37:15Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 1:37:16Jocko Willink?

  So, how do people join the Jocko Defcore Underground?

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  Go to Jocko Underground dot com. That's it, straight up. That's all you gotta do. Go there and that's where you can join if you want. There you go.

• 1:37:30Jocko Willink?

  Cool.

• 1:37:32Jocko Willink?

  Kinda crazy. What, so, obviously, we're not just sitting around waiting for a dystopian future to, to be delivered unto us.

• 1:37:43Speaker 01

  No, we are not.

• 1:37:43Jocko Willink?

  No, we're preparing for it.

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 1:37:45Jocko Willink?

  We also gotta prepare for other things in life.

• 1:37:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:47Jocko Willink?

  We wanna be prepared. We wanna have capabilities.

• 1:37:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:37:51Jocko Willink?

  What do you recommend?

• 1:37:52Speaker 01

  So, okay, so, and I vaguely heard of this book, 1984.

• 1:37:58Jocko Willink?

  Are you serious?

• 1:37:59Speaker 01

  Crazy enough. I don't know. Maybe, I don't know. Maybe I'm quiet. That's just not how, apparently. I don't know. Maybe I missed it. I don't know.

• 1:38:05Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 1:38:07Speaker 01

  But it's really interesting because like, there are little parts of that, like, all of that stuff that they're doing and trying to do or whatever, we do that in little ways. And it's actually, the thing is, it's useful and it's actually beneficial in a lot of ways, as long as it's not across the board. This is what we're doing.

• 1:38:24Jocko Willink?

  What are you talking about? You lost me there.

• 1:38:25Speaker 01

  You wanna make, you wanna make things binary, which we talked about on the last episode, actually.

• 1:38:31Jocko Willink?

  That's completely different thing, bro.

• 1:38:34Speaker 01

  It's the same concept, except it's used for good. So like-

• 1:38:37Jocko Willink?

  Dude, you're getting wrapped around the fact that you have a computer programming mind and you wanna take the English language and put it into a totally formatted system.

• 1:38:46Speaker 01

  No, so, again, again, if it's across the board-

• 1:38:49Jocko Willink?

  You know why it doesn't work? I'll tell you why it doesn't work. It's like jujitsu. Language is like, the English language is like jujitsu. Words come into it and they get adapted into it if they're good. If they work, if they don't, then they get shut down.

• 1:39:01Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, fully. And then the same thing with like methodology in general. So if you like, okay, so the binary thing, right? Binary thing, they're, they're implementing that in language across the board, or that concept anyway, across the board, that's bad. But you can use that in specific nuanced ways to make it like a more efficient situation, like working out or something like that. Where, okay, so I was working out today, actually.

• 1:39:27Jocko Willink?

  Something tells me you just want to tell me this story and you're giving some kind of a.

• 1:39:30Speaker 01

  No, no. So this is, this is an exact, this is why this whole book is interesting. It's, it basically, one of the many lessons or whatever, it's like you can take a, a good thing and just take it too far if you implement it across the board.

• 1:39:45Jocko Willink?

  Dichotomy of leadership.

• 1:39:46Speaker 01

  A lot of this stuff, yeah, fully. A lot of this stuff, again, in teeny tiny doses or used just like sparingly is like, it's good thing. Like salt, really. Put a little bit of salt on toast, it's pretty nice.

• 1:39:58Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 1:39:58Speaker 01

  Put too much salt or you put all salt, right? You're dead.

• 1:40:01Jocko Willink?

  True.

• 1:40:01Speaker 01

  So anyway, I'm working out. And my little son, he's like four now, he's doing, you know, he's, he's copying more and trying to understand and actively understanding like.

• 1:40:12Jocko Willink?

  Burpees, kettlebell swings.

• 1:40:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was doing.

• 1:40:14Jocko Willink?

  Little kids like the kettlebell swings, don't they?

• 1:40:17Speaker 01

  You know, I, I don't want them to quite do, my daughter does them or wants to do them, whatever. I don't, I don't know. I don't need her like slipping and bashing her shin with that little kettlebell. I don't know. Anyway, burpees all day, yes.

• 1:40:30Jocko Willink?

  Well, we can talk about that offline.

• 1:40:32Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 1:40:32Jocko Willink?

  Because having your kids do kettlebell swings is a good thing.

• 1:40:35Speaker 01

  Seems like beneficial.

• 1:40:36Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:37Speaker 01

  Okay, cool.

• 1:40:38Jocko Willink?

  Um, work on that coordination if we're worried about leg hits, shin hits.

• 1:40:42Speaker 01

  Yes, sir. Okay.

• 1:40:43Jocko Willink?

  Put on some shoes.

• 1:40:44Speaker 01

  Makes sense to me. So anyway, um, so.

• 1:40:49Speaker 01

  My daughter was there and she was like, um, talking about like how her like, cause she went to that running thing, whatever. Her legs are all sore and all this stuff. Meanwhile, my son, he's over here getting after it or whatever, right? And he's like, hey, I'm doing this or whatever, so I can be strong. So my daughter's there listening. So it's like, yeah, it's true and you're going to understand in life. Answer me this, what's better to be strong or weak? Strong, they say strong. What's it better to know how to do something or to not know how to do something? Cause they to know how to do something. So, okay, what's better to be healthy or unhealthy? They say healthy or whatever, right? So obviously life is, there's way more to it than just that.

• 1:41:25Jocko Willink?

  What's better to do kettlebell swings or not do kettlebell swings?

• 1:41:27Speaker 01

  No, no, that's see, that's another one of those things. At on the surface, you'd say, yeah, kettlebell swings all day. But the, the point is there's a lot more to it than that. But if I use that binary terminology, just for that moment, it's going to send a, a message more effectively. Granted, it's a good message at this point, but you apply that across the board, but you just eliminate, understanding nuance, all these important things.

• 1:41:51Jocko Willink?

  I get it. I get it. Your, your theory is accepted, but it's really, really.

• 1:42:01Jocko Willink?

  You're, you're taking like something massively destructive and, and just taking a little tiny piece of it and saying, saying it's good.

• 1:42:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, like salt.

• 1:42:12Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 1:42:12Speaker 01

  Like I said.

• 1:42:13Jocko Willink?

  We'll go with it.

• 1:42:14Speaker 01

  But if, if I have a steak, come on, Jocko steak, right? All day. If I have a steak, I put a little bit of salt on it. Does that make it better or worse? In your opinion, that's an opinion.

• 1:42:22Jocko Willink?

  Can we put pepper on it too?

• 1:42:23Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 1:42:24Jocko Willink?

  Yes.

• 1:42:24Speaker 01

  Okay. What if?

• 1:42:26Jocko Willink?

  You put the whole thing.

• 1:42:27Speaker 01

  All salt. You put the whole thing. Actually, let me start eliminating some of the steaks to make room for more of the salt. In fact, at the end of the day, let's remove the whole steak, just salt and pepper. Oh, wait, you want in pepper, right? So it's salt and pepper. Right? Your day, it's not even good. It's not even the same thing. See what I'm saying?

• 1:42:42Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, I got it.

• 1:42:43Speaker 01

  So a little bit is good. A lot of it.

• 1:42:46Jocko Willink?

  So a little bit of language control inside your own family with your children, trying to explain to them basic things like a binary decision-making process between good and bad in an immediate way is, is a positive thing.

• 1:42:57Speaker 01

  To influence their thoughts for sure.

• 1:42:59Jocko Willink?

  Got it.

• 1:43:00Speaker 01

  Across the board, maybe not.

• 1:43:01Jocko Willink?

  Just remind me not to let you become dictator where you've run that game on the whole country.

• 1:43:07Speaker 01

  Well, there you go.

• 1:43:08Jocko Willink?

  The world.

• 1:43:10Speaker 01

  Sure. The world too. All right. Anyway, speaking of working out, yeah, I worked out today. We're expanding our capabilities, our strength, our health, all that stuff, right? That's what this path is. So, in the spirit of being path full, you see what I'm doing there? Anyway, we got supplements, boom, Jocko Fuel. We got stuff for your joints, so you don't have to think about them aching anymore. You don't have to worry about thinking about them aching anymore. Thinking about that stuff won't even exist. It'll be impossible to even think about it, those thought crimes, etc. Anyway, joint warfare, um, also super krill oil.

• 1:43:52Speaker 01

  These things help your joints, boom, keep you in the game even as we age through this human existence. Also, discipline and discipline go. It's for your mind, for your body too. It's a daily thing, I think, but yes, enhance your cognitive capabilities as far as capabilities go.

• 1:44:11Jocko Willink?

  Have you improved your routine where you're 100% on krill and, and joint warfare with no, no holes in your game?

• 1:44:18Speaker 01

  No lapses, um, you, did you just use the word 100%?

• 1:44:23Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:23Speaker 01

  No, not 100%.

• 1:44:25Jocko Willink?

  How can you not do that? Why don't you just put them when you brush your teeth, you take it?

• 1:44:28Speaker 01

  I know, uh, well, I thought we covered that as far as the brushing the teeth part because the routine is, it's nuanced. Anyway, it's because, uh,

• 1:44:39Speaker 01

  to really point it out, it's when the whole COVID thing came to my shores. I was like, I grabbed the vitamin D3 in the Cold War. I was that, like my mind shifted to that as the priority. And then it'd be like, one day, oh, I didn't take the krill oil, you know? Not because like, oh, I neglected, I was like, okay, I'm just gonna take this now or whatever. It's not as implemented into the routine as it should be.

• 1:45:07Jocko Willink?

  It's really crazy to me. Really crazy to me that this is not a big like thing, dude. It's the thing you could just do.

• 1:45:17Jocko Willink?

  Put the bottles next to your toothbrush.

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  You know what it is?

• 1:45:20Jocko Willink?

  No.

• 1:45:20Speaker 01

  This is, this is really what it is now that I'm like analyzing my whole mind because you're right. You're you're

• 1:45:27Jocko Willink?

  Like, we know it like helps you so much.

• 1:45:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yes. So here's the thing. I'm violating two rules, or maybe it's just one rule with different terms. Resting on my laurels and complacency.

• 1:45:39Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 1:45:40Speaker 01

  So you know how like, bro, my joints don't hurt, so I'm not compelled to solve any problem. You see what I'm saying? But I'm not kind of, I'm not taking my own advice. You know how you like, you don't want to think about that?

• 1:45:49Jocko Willink?

  Two days go by and then you do feel your joints.

• 1:45:51Speaker 01

  Uh, it's like, like for five, six days, you know?

• 1:45:56Jocko Willink?

  You go six days?

• 1:45:58Speaker 01

  Until I start feeling it, yeah. But, oh, I'm not like off them. I don't have issues right now. But I'm just saying like, as far as hundred percent daily, the way that that one I, when I do put it together, I'm just not doing that, but I'm getting there. But yeah, no issues for sure. Um, but that's I think.

• 1:46:13Jocko Willink?

  Baby steps, bro. Baby steps. We're getting there. We're working on it. We're working on that discipline.

• 1:46:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. So the lesson there is even take, I gotta take my own advice.

• 1:46:24Speaker 01

  We don't want to think about that kind of stuff, but the only way to not think about your joints hurting or hurting in the future is to, through discipline, take them every day.

• 1:46:33Jocko Willink?

  See, now you're like that guy that's, you know, giving advice about something they're not actually doing.

• 1:46:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:42Jocko Willink?

  Kind of sad.

• 1:46:45Jocko Willink?

  I'll give the advice, hey, take them every day. There you go. I do.

• 1:46:48Speaker 01

  Every day, okay.

• 1:46:49Jocko Willink?

  Don't do what Echo does. Don't do what I do.

• 1:46:50Speaker 01

  Well, technically, I don't know that I say, take it every day. I say, take it, and so you don't have to worry about your joints. But look, I'm saying right now, and I'm starting doing it right now. How about that? Next time you check in with me, hundred percent.

• 1:47:02Jocko Willink?

  I'm worried to check in with you.

• 1:47:03Speaker 01

  Anyway.

• 1:47:04Jocko Willink?

  You might be on cocaine or something.

• 1:47:05Speaker 01

  Anyway. Discipline and discipline go for your brain, for your body, for your whole thing, for your life, really. Discipline go in a can. That's what I'm gonna talk about. You like energy drinks? Cool. You don't like energy drinks? Yeah, I know why. Cool. Discipline go in a can is everything that an energy drink should be.

• 1:47:29Speaker 01

  And more.

• 1:47:31Jocko Willink?

  Like a health. Painted yourself into a corner right there.

• 1:47:33Speaker 01

  You know.

• 1:47:34Jocko Willink?

  He wanted to give the counter example, but you painted yourself into a corner. You couldn't escape.

• 1:47:38Speaker 01

  Hey man, I'm a creative.

• 1:47:39Jocko Willink?

  It's all the good without the bad.

• 1:47:41Speaker 01

  It's, it's all the good without the bad.

• 1:47:42Jocko Willink?

  That's all the good without the bad.

• 1:47:43Speaker 01

  In with the good, out with the bad.

• 1:47:44Jocko Willink?

  Yep.

• 1:47:45Speaker 01

  Go.

• 1:47:46Jocko Willink?

  Go, get some.

• 1:47:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's fully good. It's in Wawa. Right now, it's online. You can get it wherever you want. Accessibility is not the issue here.

• 1:47:54Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:47:55Speaker 01

  It's about making the correct choice, by the way.

• 1:47:58Jocko Willink?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:47:59Speaker 01

  Freedom to choose, freedom to choose the right thing.

• 1:48:02Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, you can get this stuff at Wawa. You can get it at Vitamin Shoppe. You can get it at OriginMaine.com. You can actually get it on Amazon. All this stuff, milk, protein, discipline, just the whole nine yards. Check it out if you wanna, if you wanna get after it. Also at Origin Maine, you got jujitsu gear, because we are training jujitsu for a multitude of reasons, as we found out on that last podcast.

• 1:48:26Speaker 01

  Is it better to be capable or incapable?

• 1:48:28Jocko Willink?

  We wanna be capable.

• 1:48:29Speaker 01

  If you choose to fight someone, do you want the choice to fight someone and win or no choice?

• 1:48:34Jocko Willink?

  It's better to be capable or uncapable?

• 1:48:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:39Jocko Willink?

  So is it better to do jujitsu or un-jujitsu?

• 1:48:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:48:41Jocko Willink?

  We wanna do jujitsu.

• 1:48:42Speaker 01

  You wanna be jujitsu folk?

• 1:48:43Jocko Willink?

  Jujitsu is double plus good.

• 1:48:46Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, sir.

• 1:48:47Jocko Willink?

  So go to, go to OriginMaine.com, get gis, get rash guards. You can also get jeans, boots, t-shirts, and the thing is, all the stuff is made in America, all made in a factory up in Maine. And it's awesome. We're bringing manufacturing back to America. So support if you can.

• 1:49:06Jocko Willink?

  What else?

• 1:49:08Speaker 01

  Jocko's store. It's called Jocko's store. Same deal. If you wanna represent on this path, if you wanna be pathful and represent at the same time, just, hey man, you can go Jocko's store.com, get a discipline shirt, hoodie, hat, some rash guards on there. We do have a t-shirt club. If you're into it, man, if you're into representing monthly variety, different stuff.

• 1:49:32Jocko Willink?

  So that's this is the kind of thing where maybe that's where the un good T-shirt comes from, right?

• 1:49:37Speaker 01

  Oh, like slides in as far as implementation.

• 1:49:39Jocko Willink?

  Let's face it, it's very cool if you kind of, if you're kind of in the game.

• 1:49:44Speaker 01

  You know the deal, yes.

• 1:49:45Jocko Willink?

  Like if I see someone with an un good T-shirt on from, from that, I'll be like, yup. So you might want to put that one in the lineup. Put it in the lineup. Little un good.

• 1:49:55Speaker 01

  Heard it here first, Jocko's idea. Good one, I like it. It's a, it's not un good, I'll tell you that. Um, but yes, T-shirt every month, you know, it's like one of those things in the theme of today's deal. It's, it's not narrowing down your options for representation. It's expanding them. See what I'm saying? So anyway, yeah, T-shirt club. Uh, check that out if you want. Boom on Jocko store.com.

• 1:50:20Jocko Willink?

  Also, uh, subscribe to the podcast. We got a, you know, the platforms that we're on. Like I said, they, they've been good to us. Let's hope they stay that way. Subscribe to it, check it out. We also got, we got this podcast, we got the Jocko unraveling podcast, we got grounded podcast, we got the warrior kid podcast. We got a YouTube channel where Echo does excessive amounts of CGI and uncanny fakes or what, what'd you say?

• 1:50:46Speaker 01

  Uncanny valley.

• 1:50:47Jocko Willink?

  Uncanny, he's, he's out there in the uncanny valley. He's walking through the uncanny vanny of death, uncanny valley of death. And he fears no robots. So check out that, also got little excerpts on there. We got psychological warfare, which is, uh, uh, me talking for like a minute, two minutes, three minutes out of, out of whack. And I'm telling you, put your donut down, telling you get out of bed, telling you why to do it. I'm gonna help you achieve what you want to achieve.

• 1:51:20Speaker 01

  When you don't feel like it.

• 1:51:21Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, even when you don't feel like it. Flip side canvas. Stuff you can hang on your wall. Some people would say art. I would say graphic visual representations of the path of justice.

• 1:51:38Jocko Willink?

  Got a bunch of books, a bunch of books about face, leadership, strategy and tactics, discipline equals freedom, field manual, brand new version. You can probably, can probably get that one for, you know, somebody that you know that could use a little, a little adjustment in life. Maybe it's the kind of person, maybe it's the kind of person that right now. They could use some help. Maybe when they wake up in the morning, instead of having a routine where they take the supplements they're supposed to take, maybe they could just figure out through this book, they could find the discipline that it takes to put a bottle next to their toothbrush and take it.

• 1:52:15Speaker 01

  Thank you, Jocko.

• 1:52:18Jocko Willink?

  Anyways, you can check out that book, This Big Will Freedom Field Manual, Way the Warrior Kid Four Field Manual is out, Way the Warrior Kid One, Two, and Three, Mike and the Dragons, Extreme Ownership, Dichotomy of Leadership. We got Echelon Front, which is a leadership consultancy. We solve problems through leadership. Go to echelonfront.com for details on that. We got EF Online. We're on there all the time, live doing Q and As. We got discussions happening with an entire network of leaders from all kinds of different industries. And the Echelon Front team, myself, the rest of the team, we're on there all the time. So check out EFOnline.com. We have the muster,

• 1:52:56Jocko Willink?

  which is our leadership seminar. We got Phoenix, March 3rd and 4th, Orlando, May 25th and 26th, and Las Vegas, October 28th and 29th. Go to ExtremeOwnership.com. Look, by that time, let's face it, COVID is going to be over. We got the vaccine, we got vitamin D, we got all kinds of good stuff going on. I'm calling it. Well, let's hope it's over. Let's hope it's over. And look, we didn't have any musters this year. So obviously, we got a bunch of people that are already signed up to go. But if you want to, if you want to come, check it out, ExtremeOwnership.com. We got EF Overwatch. We got executive leadership for your company. If you want to hire a former military person that understands the principles we talk about

• 1:53:41Jocko Willink?

  all the time, check out EFOverwatch.com. And if you want to help service members, active duty service members, retired service members, their families, Gold Star families, then check out Mark Lee's mom, Mama Lee. She's got a charity organization. And if you want to donate or get involved, check out AmericasMightyWarriors.org. And if you want to bring some dystopian future into your present day.

• 1:54:11Jocko Willink?

  We got you covered. You can get more of my despondent diatribes, or you can get more of Echo's disoriented differentiations. You can find us on the interwebs. And we definitely got some disoriented differentiations from you today, didn't we? And you can find us on the interwebs, on Twitter, on Instagram, which, you know, Echo only refers to as The Gram, and on that Facebook. Echo is at Echo Charles. I am at Jocko Willink. And thanks to all the military people out there in the world that fight against tyranny and oppression every single day and keep us free.

• 1:54:54Jocko Willink?

  And thanks to police and law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, border patrol, secret service, all first responders for being there when we are in our time of need. And to everyone else out there, don't take freedom for granted.

• 1:55:17Jocko Willink?

  Countless sacrifices have been made to secure freedom and to preserve it. And if we have to preserve it, and I know that we don't do it perfectly, but I do believe that in the battle of good versus evil and light versus dark and truth versus lie, I believe that truth and light and good will prevail. But there may be times of darkness, and for those times, we will be ready.

• 1:55:50Jocko Willink?

  And we, we may have to go underground at some point, but we will never surrender and we will never submit to tyranny. Discipline equals freedom and freedom will overcome all. And until next time, this is Echo and Jocko. Out.