Jocko Underground: Is It Possible to Get The Actual Truth From Modern Media?

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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast number 221. Sitting here with Echo Charles. We have questions from the field, from the front lines, from the troopers. And we will provide you with either answers or recommendations, or at a minimum, courses of action to follow to stay on the path.

• 0:18Speaker 01

  It's true. Said before, I'll say it again. A lot of these questions, you just take the principle from it, apply it to yourself. Maybe you got the same question in principle. See what I'm saying? It can be helpful.

• 0:29Jocko Willink?

  I like it. Thanks for pointing that out to everybody.

• 0:32Speaker 01

  I'm here to tell you. I'm here to tell you. All right. First question, Jocko. Today, I was thinking about removing distractions to clear my mind while, while trying to also stay informed. How do you find a source of truth to what is happening in the world? Is that even possible with the mainstream media so divisive and deceptive and big tech? So readily threatening censorship? Thanks for all you do. Really enjoy listening to the new topics on the underground.

• 1:04Jocko Willink?

  Well, first of all, check out podcast Jocko Podcast number 537. It's called What's Going On? Because we really kind of go in depth on this. Because the bottom line is that everything is a headline right now. Everything is spun. They need news. They got 24 hour news cycles. They need news. And in order to get you to pay attention to the news, they give you the most emotional headlines that they can. And the most emotional headlines, they, the easiest emotions to utilize is number one, fear. It's the easiest one. Make people afraid. Number two, anger. Those are the, those are the two easiest things to get you spun up and get

• 1:45Jocko Willink?

  you emotional. So everything is catastrophic. Everything is, everything is a breaking news story. Everything's an urgent report. Everything's a major update. Everything's an important announcement. Everything is a developing story. Everything. And one of the metaphors that I made on Podcast 537 is imagine that you're announcing an MMA or you're watching an MMA fight. And the MMA fight starts, and the two fighters go to the center of the cage, and one of them throws a jab and misses. And now imagine that the announcer goes, oh, my gosh, he missed that jab. He's doomed. His strategy is terrible. I can't believe he didn't train properly. His, his coach is an idiot. His career is over. Because the guy missed

• 2:29Jocko Willink?

  one jab. We all know that the one jab means almost nothing in a fight. Almost not, not nothing, but almost nothing. And yet, the headline from the MMA announcer is that he missed the jab and he's doomed. Well, that's what we see in the news all the time. We see just catastrophic emotional headlines blown out of proportion. And by the way, the first report is always wrong. So, and so is the second report, and so is the third report, and so is the fourth report. They're all wrong as individual headlines, as individual reports are all wrong because there's only one perspective. It takes, it takes time to

• 3:11Jocko Willink?

  gather a bunch of different perspectives and figure, paint a more clear picture, not a perfect picture, but a more clear picture. And the way that you get more perspectives and you, is you give a little bit of time and distance from an event happening. So, an easy way to give yourself a little bit of time and give the news a little bit of time to sort itself out, is you don't need to check the news every five minutes. You don't even need to check it every 10 minutes. You don't even need to check it every hour. You don't even need to check it every 24 hours. You don't, nothing's going to happen that's going to impact you in the, in the news in the next 24 hours. Okay. You want to check

• 3:52Jocko Willink?

  it every, once every 24 hours, fine. Once a day, seven o'clock at night, give yourself 15 minutes to figure out what the hell is going on in the world. And, and by the way, 99.9% of the time, none of it's going to impact you at all. And, and listen, things that can and are going to impact you, guess what? They will start to rise to the surface, and you'll start to see them every day. So instead of getting lost amongst the bullshit catastrophic headlines that get thrown up, don't allow that to happen. Just check your

• 4:33Jocko Willink?

  news once a day for 15 minutes. If it's that crazy of a catastrophic situation, you're going to hear about it again tomorrow and the next day and the next day. But most of the things you won't hear, you'll hear about them one day and you won't hear about them again. This is 24 hour news cycle. They make up a bullshit headline every 20 minutes. Catastrophic, crazy, fear mongering headline is coming at you. So check the news. Check some, check some right wing, check some left wing, left wing sources, check some conservative sources, check some liberal sources, and don't believe any of them because they're all full of shit.

• 5:12Jocko Willink?

  Just, you know, get some, try and, try and see if there's any facts in these stories. But you won't know that they're, you won't know the truth and the facts. The way that you do is over time, time and distance from stories, you'll have an idea, an idea of what happened. You won't know exactly. We still don't even know what happened in major events. We don't know what happened. Less news is more news. So that's what I'd say. Don't, don't get bogged down in the stuff. It's all, it's all data. It's all just little data points. Not true, not facts, just data. Just, it's just, it's just highlights from different

• 5:55Jocko Willink?

  sources. But I don't know some big trustworthy person that's out there that's telling it like it is. I don't know. So don't listen to any of them. Listen to all of them. Don't listen to any of them. That's what I would say.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that over indexing nowadays on the entertainment, which I, I respect that it exists. I understand that. Kind of deviates from like, the ideal as far as what you're saying. How? Yeah. You want to, you need info on some, on stuff that's happening in the world. You need the info? That's one thing. But when you, when you turn on the news, that's something else.

• 6:36Jocko Willink?

  It's entertainment. As you, as you point out very often to me, the stuff, the stuff that you're watching in your phone and on your TV, it's all entertainment. I don't care what they call it. It's entertainment.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  You know, it's sadly ironic, I guess, in a manner of speaking, is the entertainment part of it works. And I say it works, and I mean this, where if they don't make it entertainment, if they don't make the headline, like stimulate you in that way or whatever, a lot of times we'll be like, oh, that's boring.

• 7:11Jocko Willink?

  Of course, bro.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  I'm not going to look.

• 7:13Jocko Willink?

  Of course.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  So it kind of defeats the whole purpose of the news in a way. You see what I'm saying?

• 7:17Jocko Willink?

  Well, yeah.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  It's like, it's almost like the news channel becomes ineffective because no one's going to watch. You see what I'm saying? So it's kind of like they have to do it. See what I'm saying? So it's like a little catch 22. It's kind of like, oh, I hate when they do that, but they have to do it. Otherwise, I ain't going to watch it. So it's like, bro, what are you even talking about? You know, not this guy, but I'm just saying.

• 7:39Jocko Willink?

  You know, Ephraim Mattos, he, he's got his little video YouTube podcast called The Overwatch with Ephraim Mattis. And it's totally good to go. I like it. He's very unemotional about the whole thing. He's kind of just stating the facts. He's a conservative guy. So you're going to get a conservative slant to it. But like, he's, I like, I like what he's doing right now. You know?

• 8:04Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 8:04Jocko Willink?

  It's solid. Check out Ephraim Mattis, Mattos Overwatch.

• 8:11Jocko Willink?

  Don't get too crazy on the news. It's not news. It's entertainment. Remember that.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  Remember that. Or if you really want to get nuts, as far as like, no, no, I just want the facts straight up, like stop filtering, stop polluting these factual things with like your opinion and spin and take and all this stuff, just go on ChatGPT.

• 8:32Jocko Willink?

  ChatGPT has spin, bro.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  No, no. But if you ask it not to have any spin, you say, hey, just give me the facts of this case. You think it'll just, you think there's a, it's, it'll do spin?

• 8:42Jocko Willink?

  I've seen all kinds of bias in ChatGPT for sure.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. So, but if you, from my experience, I don't, I don't look into that kind of stuff, like news and, you know, that whole thing. But if I say, hey, don't sugarcoat this thing because I understand it, sugarcoat stuff, just by default.

• 8:58Jocko Willink?

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• 9:43Jocko Willink?

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