Jocko Underground: Would You Take a Loss of Rank For More Convenience?

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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 197, sitting here with Echo Charles. We have received some questions from you all, and we will provide some guidance, some recommendations, maybe in some cases, some answers, and at a minimum, some courses of action you can take to overcome the challenges we face in life.

• 0:23Jocko Willink?

  You good with that?

• 0:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm good with that, and that's very well said. Thank you for that. Okay, first question from the Inner Whips. I'm currently a sergeant at a sheriff's office in the Northeast. I've been at my current department for around 10 years, but I'm thinking of transferring to another department that is closer to my home. My current department is around a 45-minute drive from my house. The department I'm looking to transfer to is only five minutes away, and it has a better schedule, four on, four off, four on, three off, compared to the current department that I'm at, five on, two off. If I transfer, I will be making the same amount of money I'm currently making. I would have to start over on the road as a regular deputy, although the department I'm at currently is smaller,

• 1:08Speaker 01

  and I still have to answer calls as a sergeant because of the limited staffing. I feel like making the switch would be better, would be better just for the schedule alone, as I have a family and I would have more time with my kids. Of course, I will lose my sergeant title, and I'm struggling to decide what choice I should make. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all you do. I'm a diehard listener from day one, and I hope to make it to muster someday.

• 1:36Jocko Willink?

  Cool, yeah. Let me just tell you my biases in this situation, because I think they make it a really obvious answer for me. Number one, I don't like commuting. Like, you start talking about a 45-minute drive, that's an hour and a half a day, that's gone.

• 1:57Jocko Willink?

  So, I don't like commuting at all. I don't mind spending time in the field, so having to go out and do the work, as going back to being a deputy, cool, like, regular deputy, get some. Titles don't mean very much to me, if anything, so like, hey, I get no joy out of being a sergeant or deputy or a captain or lieutenant, it just doesn't matter to me.

• 2:21Jocko Willink?

  And your kids are gonna grow up quick. And you take an hour and a half a day. Right? And that's what? How many, you know, that's hours and hours a week. That you're not seeing them. So with those biases, I hate to say it because normally, you know, I, you know, I'm a little bit cautious. But my biases is a pretty easy answer for me. I would change departments. I would work close to home. I'd spend more time with my family and I'd enjoy a better schedule. I would bust my ass. I would get promoted, you know, very quickly because I would be so focused when I'm on the job. Uh, the schedule's better, four on, four off, and then four on, three off, like that's a four day weekends, you know, and I get it, man, you're working hard when you're out there, but still you've got three day weekends and four day weekends.

• 3:07Jocko Willink?

  As opposed to two day, like this is a total no brainer to me, especially you're making the same amount of money. Like this is a total no brainer to me. Uh, that's it. That's what I got. I mean, it's straightforward to me. I don't even see, I can't even come up with negatives.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  Me neither. I mean, I guess under those circumstances of someone really wanting that title, which, you know, in internally, like certain cultures, like, I see how that could maybe I could get there is what I'm saying, but. You know, and I recently heard that people with long commutes have like a lower, like, what do you call like, what do you, you know, when you evaluate your own life, the quality of life or whatever is like lower, I guess. Yeah. Reported lower.

• 3:47Jocko Willink?

  I'm not surprised. I do know people that kind of take advantage of their commutes and they make calls and they listen to podcasts and all that stuff, which is cool. But, uh, bro, I'd rather be making calls while I was on a freaking treadmill in my house or something, you know, or while I was, you know what I mean? So.

• 4:00Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh, big ten. So like every two weeks or so, you're losing a whole day.

• 4:04Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 4:05Speaker 01

  Straight up whole day, just try, you know, compared to five minutes, bro. It doesn't matter the job. Like if you had a job and someone said, hey, you might even lose some pay, like a little bit of pay, but instead of driving.

• 4:16Jocko Willink?

  Kind of a lot of pay.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  Driving all the way to the next two towns over or what depends on where you live. You know, we'll say the next town over 45 minutes there, one way and then 45. Instead of that, you just drive one block or two, three blocks down the road. You'd be like, brah.

• 4:31Jocko Willink?

  Yeah. Well, you don't get paid for driving. So now you get your hour and a half a day. Just take that hour and a half and like, what was that payment?

• 4:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:41Jocko Willink?

  Cause you're paying them back. You're working, you're working an hour and a half a day for free.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  That's a good, good point.

• 4:48Jocko Willink?

  So yeah, it's a no brainer to me. Go get some.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  That's a huge point, actually.

• 4:52Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  So yeah, you're like, what about these people with the hour, two hour commutes?

• 4:57Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  You're right. You are kind of working for free.

• 4:59Jocko Willink?

  There are times where like, sometimes guys in the, in the military, in the SEAL teams, they'll live an hour and 20 minutes away. They got like a two hour commute a day, two hour, two and a half hour commute a day. But they bought a house somewhere in someplace that they really want to live, the school district, whatever. And in the SEAL teams, like you go to work, sometimes you only go to work once. So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground Podcast. So if you want to continue to listen,

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• 6:03Jocko Willink?

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• 6:29Jocko Willink?

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