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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 124, sitting here with Echo Charles.

• 0:06Jocko Willink?

  And I went to the ADCC North American Trials the other day.

• 0:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:14Jocko Willink?

  Uh, which is the Submission Grappling slash Jiu-Jitsu Olympics, which takes place in a few months and you have to do trials to get to that. And while I was there, I got a bunch of questions, I talked to a bunch of people and one of the main questions I got was kids, getting kids into Jiu-Jitsu, keeping kids in Jiu-Jitsu, like all those kinds of questions. And the thing is, this is not just about Jiu-Jitsu, this is about everything. It's about everything that we do, not just with kids, but with people that we work with, with employees, with everyone. So I wanted to address it a little bit.

• 0:57Jocko Willink?

  Getting people to do things, right? But around the, around the framework of how do you get kids to do Jiu-Jitsu? So number one, you know, I'm getting asked, how old should kids be when they start? How do I get them to like it? What if they don't want to do it? So there's a bunch of questions there. The first question is how old? And in my experience, I taught kids Jiu-Jitsu at Victory MMA for about probably six years, something along those lines. And here's what I noticed most of the time. As far as going to classes goes, generally speaking, girls are a little bit more mature than boys are.

• 1:39Jocko Willink?

  So generally speaking, by five, girls are ready. Generally speaking, five boys are barely ready. So it's not like a huge, big difference. I had one kid, one boy, the entire time I taught kids, that was four years old, that was like engaged. One out of many, many, many boys. I had more girls than that, that were engaged. So here's the thing. Yes, if you're going to take your kids to a Jiu-Jitsu class. Maybe they can try it at four. Most likely it's not going to be worth your money.

• 2:18Jocko Willink?

  At five, they might be able to go to class, get something out of it, move forward with the process. And then by six and seven, they should be pretty good to go. Here's where I don't want you to freak out. If your kid is five and they hate jiu-jitsu and they don't want to go or they don't pay attention, they roll around on the floor, they don't listen, they're causing disruptions. You're, you're not going to lose their freaking capability of becoming awesome because they didn't train until they were six. And as a matter of fact, it doesn't matter if they don't really train until they're seven. And as a matter of fact, it doesn't really matter if they train, don't train until they're eight.

• 2:57Jocko Willink?

  As a matter of fact, it doesn't really matter if they don't start training until they're 11. If you take, if you take a competition between a kid that was forced to train since he was five and doesn't like it. And another kid that starts training at 11 and he loves it. And now both those kids are 16, who's going to win?

• 3:13Speaker 01

  I think the 11, the guy who likes it.

• 3:15Jocko Willink?

  The guy who likes it. Yeah. So let's focus on that. Let's focus on that. Here, here's another thing. Here's another answer to that question. How old should your kid be when they start jiu-jitsu? The answer is zero. They should be zero. They should be, you should be wrestling with them and rolling around and mounting them and teaching them how to do hip escapes and not teaching them how to do hip escapes, but making them, guess what? Guess how you can get someone to do hip, hip escape? Tickle their belly. They start moving. Oh, I'm going to keep doing this until you move away. Okay, cool. We're just doing a hip escape. There's all kinds of little things that Gracie, the Gracys have like the Gracie games. I think you can look it up on YouTube, but it's just a bunch of little games you play. Oh, uh, stay on the mount, right? Ride the horse, right? And let them mount. And now you move around and you, they try and keep their balance. Stay on the back. Okay. It's the same thing.

• 4:01Jocko Willink?

  What about arm walk? Can you teach a little kid? Yes, you can absolutely teach a little kid an arm walk. You can absolutely teach a little kid an arm walk and a rear naked choke. Be careful with rear naked choke because if they do it to their friends, could be bad. Right? So you gotta be, you, you want to hold off on that one? But a little kid, you can teach him all kinds of stuff, all kinds of movement drills, all kinds of positional things that are going to be very, very helpful. Keeping across the side, keeping the back, how to pass the guard. Can you, can a, can a three-year-old little toddler pass your guard? Oh, yes, they can. Can you teach them how to pass guard? Can you get them to play with each other past? Yes, you can. So you don't teach them, like I said, I should have made this a little bit more clear. Can you teach them on arm lock? Yes. What you should concentrate on is positional. So you're not teaching the kid that could break some other kid's arm or choke another kid.

• 4:47Jocko Willink?

  But go through those Gracie games. Make it fun. Make it fun. Make it fun. Now, look, you may have a kid that likes things to be serious. You ever seen a kid like that? Yes. Yep, there's kids out there that they want to be serious. They want to, they want, they feel like they want to be Michael Jordan. And so they have an attitude like they're Michael Jordan. And they're five. I've seen five and six and seven-year-old kids that are like that. If you've got a kid like that, cool. You gotta find the right school for the kid. If you take your kid to a school where they're trying to train Michael Jordans and your kid's a clown, it's not going to be fun for him. He needs it more than, no, he's just gonna hate it.

• 5:31Jocko Willink?

  If you take your kid that is a Michael Jordan to a school that's more like, we're having fun, they're not gonna like it as much. So you gotta kind of find the right school for them. And by the way, it might not be the school that you like. You might be like, I want my kid to be a world champ. They're going to this academy where it's freaking hardcore.

• 5:56Jocko Willink?

  And they end up not liking jujitsu. Because you didn't take them to this other school, you know, the other side of town, where they're about having fun. And again, you gotta figure out what your kid likes.

• 6:08Jocko Willink?

  Figure out what your kid likes, because there's, and there's also going to be that psychological reactance that we've talked about.

• 6:14Jocko Willink?

  Which is, we don't like being forced to do things. Human beings don't like being forced to do things. And even the best food tastes bad when it gets forced down your throat. So don't force the jujitsu down people's throat.

• 6:27Jocko Willink?

  So there you go. That's what we're doing. Competition, because I was up in a competition.

• 6:35Jocko Willink?

  Hickson talked about this, Hoiler talked about this. Elio, their dad, the founder of Gracie Jiu Jitsu, would tell his kids, when they were competing, "I'll give you $5 if you win and $10 if you lose."

• 6:50Jocko Willink?

  Win-win situation. So you're gonna be sad, but you're gonna be okay with it. I was thinking about, "Why would you do that?" Well, it's because, otherwise, they don't want to compete. Or they may not want to compete. Or they may be so freaked out about losing, that, "Oh, my gosh, if I lose, my dad's not gonna like me anymore." But if your dad says, "Look, it's hard to explain to a kid, listen, when you say to your kid, like, "I just, I'm happy if you just try. Just try your best." They don't really believe that sometimes.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:18Jocko Willink?

  You know, they're like, "Dad, come on. We're here to win."

• 7:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:23Jocko Willink?

  But if you say, "Listen, I want you to do this, and if you win, yeah, I'll be excited, and I'll give you $5. But if you lose, I'll give you $10." It's like a,

• 7:34Jocko Willink?

  it's like a,

• 7:37Jocko Willink?

  a, a, a, a positive, actual, quantifiable

• 7:44Jocko Willink?

  vision that you're giving them. That competition, win or lose, is good, and winning is great. Losing? Even better! So it removes that pressure. Now, look, someone might be like, "Well, don't you want them to have pressure?" Yes, they're gonna get pressure. The pressure is there. And as they get older, it's gonna get more and more. But that's just a good attitude. So those are some ideas to think about for competition. Those are some ideas to think about for how to get him started. Now, you might run into the situation where, they don't like it. Don't like it, don't want to do it. "I don't like it." First of all, what other schools could you check out? That's why I go to a few schools before you go into one, and pick that school. Go to a couple of different schools. Go to a few, maybe, if, maybe you can even go to two or three.

• 8:28Jocko Willink?

  Look, in San Diego, you could go to 19 different schools. I know, not all the world's like that. In Austin, you could go to 27 different schools. But hopefully, you got a couple of options, you can go try it out. If your kid is like, "I freaking don't like this. I don't like it, I don't like the people, I don't like this, I don't like, I don't like Jiu Jitsu."

• 8:50Jocko Willink?

  My reaction to that is like, hey, I get it. No problem. Jiu Jitsu is not for everyone, but so since you don't like it, just gonna go twice a week just to make sure you know how to defend yourself. What do you mean? I don't like Jiu Jitsu. I know you don't like it. I don't like it. It's okay that you don't like it. It's not that big of a deal, but in order to defend yourself, in case you get into a fight, in case someone picks on you, in case somebody tries to kidnap you, we're just gonna give you enough training twice a week so that you can handle yourself because I'm not always gonna be there. And it's just like, kinda like brushing your teeth, or kinda like getting a haircut, or kinda like standing in line at the groceries. Like, you don't wanna stand in line at the groceries, but you have to stand in line at the groceries. You got to. It's just the way it works. So that's what Jiu Jitsu is like, hey, twice a week, no big deal. If you don't wanna do it more than that, I get it. So it's just twice a week because you're not into it. Cool.

• 9:33Jocko Willink?

  If you like it, we can do it seven times, seven days a week. If you don't like it, I get it. You only have to do it twice a week.

• 9:40Jocko Willink?

  To me, that's a good way to overcome whatever years or whatever, a six month period where they're like, well, I don't like it. And you go, okay, it's no big deal. You don't have to do it. You only gotta do it twice a week. Keep them in the game. They're learning so much. They're learning so much.

• 10:00Jocko Willink?

  There's an escalation that if they hate it.

• 10:04Jocko Willink?

  Right? I hate Jiu Jitsu.

• 10:08Jocko Willink?

  Cool. Let them take a break.

• 10:12Jocko Willink?

  Oh, that's okay. You know what? It's soccer season. You're gonna do soccer right now. We'll pick it up when you're done. You don't, look, it's only two days a week, but and you can stop right now for soccer season, but after that, you gotta defend yourself. So, hey, no big deal.

• 10:25Jocko Willink?

  You hate it? Cool. No big deal. I hate Jiu Jitsu. Cool. Take a break. It's soccer season. It's basketball season, whatever. You wanna play baseball this summer? Hey, great. We'll take a little break from Jiu Jitsu. After this, though, twice a week, that's kinda what, you know, that's just the minimum, you know? Like, if you wanna be a person, you gotta do it twice a week. But no big deal during soccer season. You know what? Every year during soccer season, no Jiu Jitsu. No big deal. Cause you like soccer too. So during, oh yeah, no problem. You see what I'm saying? We're allowing them to influence us, which allows us to have influence on them. If they say I hate Jiu Jitsu and you say, shut up, you're doing it anyways, you're probably gonna get them into a situation where they hate Jiu Jitsu forever.

• 11:11Jocko Willink?

  Which can be a problem. If you let them go, they're probably gonna come back to it because Jiu Jitsu is awesome.

• 11:18Jocko Willink?

  So, by the way, same thing with anything, same thing with the people that you work with, same thing with your spouse. If you allow them to influence you, you'll have more influence over them. If you make things fun, they're gonna be more happy to do it. So there's no reason, reason to force things. Make things fun, don't force it. And here's a tough one. Let your kid be who they are, not who you want them to be. And the more that you try and get them to be who you want them to be, there's a decent chance they'll become more and more

• 11:57Jocko Willink?

  the antithesis of what you want them to be. So you gotta be careful of that. You know what, too? And we just got done with talking with Dave Burke about this. Good deal, Dave. Yeah. It's, he's like, cause I asked him how, you know, what jujitsu was in his family? And he's like, it's just what we're doing. If you as a parent, like jujitsu is just part of what you're doing, and you're not, they're seeing it, they're seeing that you're doing it. Look, if you're not doing jujitsu yourself, you gotta start doing it if you want your kids to do it. A hundred percent. That helps a lot. Yeah. So you gotta do it. But, but if you talk about it and you make it part of your life and you can, you can let them see the truth without trying to force the truth

• 12:40Jocko Willink?

  down their throat, it's gonna be much easier and much more likely that they accept that idea. So, don't force your kid to be something that you want them to be. Let them be who they are. You will have, you'll have way more influence by doing that. You'll have way, I know it sounds crazy, but you'll have way more influence by doing that. And by just living a good life where they see that this is part of the life, this is part of what's good. This is part of what? This is part of what's good. It's what we're doing. You ever, you know, you get people that go, oh, when did you start hunting? Oh, my, my parents hunted. Or, hey, why do you, you eat healthy? Well, you know, my, my parents were always eating healthy.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:25Jocko Willink?

  Oh, you're good at piano? Eh, both my parents were musicians. You also get like, dude, you smoke? Like, yeah, both my parents smoked. You drink all the, yeah, both my parents drank all the time.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:37Jocko Willink?

  Oh, you're, you go to church? Yeah, my parents were, went to church. Like, whatever the thing is that you're, as long as it's not, you also, as long as it's not imposed on you. Cause you also, yeah, I haven't been to church in 28 years. Why? My, through my parents used to make me go and I hated it and like, oh.

• 13:55Jocko Willink?

  So, think about that. Think about those things. And you'll have a better time getting your, your team on board. Your employees on board. And your kids on board with the program.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, you're right. And you even had to correct me one day. About that is just like you wanna, like I even, and I knew this stuff too, but when you're in the situation you, and you, well, in my case, I built up expectations in my head, you know? For a bunch of reasons. And yeah, so my son, he was eh, five, you know? He jumped in, I was like, oh yeah, he's gonna freak, he's gonna love this, you know, this is the best day of his life right here. And he immediately did, just didn't like it immediately. Like, warmups not even freaking halfway done. And he's like, no, running off the mats, like all this stuff, real, and I was like, you know, then I talked to you the next day and you were like, hey, bro, he's, he's five years old.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  And I'm like, oh brother. So, and I think a lot of times too, where I didn't, I wasn't like talking to you about bringing him and nothing like that. So my mind just was allowed to wander in that way and build up these expectations. But right when you, you just saying that, just like, basically just put out the flames that were going on in my mind. And

• 15:11Jocko Willink?

  I was like, bro, he's five.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's literally what you said.

• 15:14Jocko Willink?

  No one said that to me.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  But here's the, so jujitsu in my family for my kids is just the normal jam. Whether they're, they go to class or I do it at home or what, it's just, that's just what we're doing. They, they know I go train sometime, sometimes I go to the day, they don't see. Sometimes I go in, in the evening, they do see. Sometimes they come, something they don't, it's just normal. There's no like jujitsu time, you know, is like a very specific thing. It's not like that at all, which kinda, not kinda, but it is what you just said. Which is normalizing stuff, making just things normal, good or bad. And they're paying attention, right? You know, you, you mentioned the smoking thing.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  Now, if you grew up, unless like you see some lung cancer come in and just devastated, then oh my gosh, I never want to be like that. But if smoking goes on in your household, that, that becomes normal. So trying smoking for the first time is not a big deal, you know? But if like you're not around anyone who smokes and you see like your friends start smoking, you're like, bro, what the? I didn't even know people smoked, like what the hell? Same thing with healthy eating, same thing with jujitsu, same thing with freaking how you talk to your family members? Your wife, husband or whatever, like you yell all the time, that's normal, that's normal.

• 16:29Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  And now growing up, they're just gonna yell, you know? Or if you talk like super nice and then they encounter people yelling at each other, they can be like, bro, what the hell? Like, bro, that's weird, you know? So the more stuff you normalize, the more normal it's gonna be for them. So that's why I believe, I agree with you. If you do jujitsu and just something we're just sort of doing, no matter if they freaking love it one day or not, it's just normal. So it's not a big deal, you know? So if it's, if they don't like it, it's like, whatever. It's like, just like you said, standing in line, freaking, in fact, when you think about a lot of normal stuff that you do, you kinda don't like doing it. But it's so normal that you're just like, whatever, you don't think about it, you know? And so I think that's, yeah, that's the way to regard the whole thing. And yes, it does depend on the teacher too, yes.

• 17:15Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, I just thought of a huge component of this that I have never thought of before. I've thought of it in the reverse way and I'll tell you what I mean, so. When you took your son to jujitsu for the first time?

• 17:27Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 17:27Jocko Willink?

  And if, let me rephrase this. If someone's listening right now and they're gonna take their kid to jujitsu for the first time, prep them. So what do I mean by that? They should know what the mount is. They should know what, how to do a somersault. They should know how to stand up and base. You should teach them that when they're five years old.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:44Jocko Willink?

  Before you take them to class. Teach them what guard passing is. Get them, did you do any of this with your boy?

• 17:50Speaker 01

  Hundred percent. And in fact-

• 17:51Jocko Willink?

  And he still didn't like it?

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Well, here's, here's why. And I know why he didn't like it when I'm thinking back on it. So, okay, so I've, I actually have a video of him three years old and I'm like rolling with him and he like knew jujitsu. He was doing guard passes, arm bars. And I was like, I was like, don't give up. He's like, I don't give up. I don't give up. I was like, I don't get, and we're like talking trash and three years old. So I'm like, bro, this kid, he's gifted.

• 18:13Jocko Willink?

  We got the world champ, bro.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  He's gifted. But I made it so fun and so just normal growing up that when he went in class, he was like at victory prime time. Everyone like big kids, little kids are running around and all the, like the pro, the pro MMA guys are there. So it was like an overwhelming environment. In the end, I went and I was watching. So it was like-

• 18:35Jocko Willink?

  Big mistake.

• 18:36Speaker 01

  It was, and I was serious too that day. It wasn't playing like till I was acting different. So it was the whole deal where it's like, hey, wait a second. I'm used to jujitsu at home when we're playing and freaking fun, talking trash or whatever. Now dad's not even doing it with me.

• 18:48Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  And I gotta go with these strangers who I don't know. And it's like some kid. So I, I understand.

• 18:53Jocko Willink?

  Yep. So you did prep him, but you didn't prep him for the environment that he was going into.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 18:59Jocko Willink?

  So prep the, prep your kid for the environment that they're going into. So yes, they need to know the basic moves, but you're taking it a step further than what I said prep, which is, hey, here's, let's, let's, you're gonna warm up for, so they know they can anticipate what's happening.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:14Jocko Willink?

  People are afraid of what they don't understand.

• 19:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:16Jocko Willink?

  Kids are especially afraid of what they don't understand. I wrote a book called Mikey and the Dragons.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 19:20Jocko Willink?

  Once they see and once they understand, they're not gonna be afraid anymore. So prep them. Prep them to be ready for that and they're going to enjoy it more. And it's again, you just pointed out, it's not just prep them for the moves, it's not just, but prep them for what they're going to experience. Hey, here's what it's going to be like, here's what you're gonna feel, feel, here's, you know, the different kids, you're gonna roll with different kids, big kids, small kids. You're gonna be better than some kids, because we some new guy, like you gotta prep them, let them know what's going on, that way they're ready for it. Here's why I said I've only thought about the inverse of that. Cause when my son would say to me like, you know, dad, I want to play baseball, I'd be like, okay, no prep.

• 19:58Jocko Willink?

  Like most dads would go, okay, go buy him a, buy him a mitt, let's get out there and play catch for a couple hours every day for, you know, let's, I'll, I'll throw the wiffle ball, you can get on the bat, right? Get him ready. No, I sent my kid into all other sports with no reference. So when he went in, he'd be like, I don't really like this.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:19Jocko Willink?

  So guess what he liked? Jiu Jitsu. Cause that's what he was doing.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:23Jocko Willink?

  Surfing, that's what he was doing. It's like, oh yeah, of course I want to be on the surf team, because I'm good at surfing, because I've grown up surfing.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:29Jocko Willink?

  Cause I was prepped, I prepped him for, again, be careful, I'm not, you, what I, I actually, by the way, this is not good. I should have prepped him so he liked baseball and football and all these other sports, because that would have been a more well-rounded. You know, um.

• 20:45Speaker 01

  Bro, that's so true. Bruh, like, so, the, and even I'm thinking when I grew up, because I grew up and the sports I joined, I was just like, oh yeah, frick yeah. And even when I started Jiu Jitsu, I had like years of watching those tapes and like rolling, I'd actually, I remember in college, I would roll with like, I don't know Jiu Jitsu, I watched some tapes, the Hoist Gracie tapes or whatever. And I'm rolling with my football friends and stuff, we're in the gymnastics room rolling and stuff. And I saw I knew Rear Naked Joke, I knew Gilletan, I knew Kimura, I didn't know what a guard pass was, I didn't know that kind of stuff, but, so I was already prepped and I already liked it.

• 21:18Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  Same thing with football, my brother played a whole year of football, my dad watches football, we play football in the, like, organ, like semi-organized football, you know, in the, in the yard and all this other stuff. And then, of course, track is just running. So yeah, I had a very.

• 21:32Jocko Willink?

  Prep means a lot.

• 21:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:34Jocko Willink?

  That's a good thing to think about for no matter what you're doing, prep. Do the prep work, man. Do the prep work.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  Make the prep kind of fun, too.

• 21:41Jocko Willink?

  Oh, yeah, for the kids, make the prep. For, once your kids are like teenagers, and now you're getting into something new, like driving a car.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:49Jocko Willink?

  Let them do, take them to the go-karts. If you can, let them get what it feels like. I took one of my kids cold turkey driving. It was a disaster.

• 21:59Jocko Willink?

  But it was my oldest. You know, I was like, oh, my gosh. By the other ones, I got them prepped. You know what I mean? And so, if you go cold turkey, it's gonna be a problem.

• 22:10Speaker 01

  I could understand.

• 22:11Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, don't go cold turkey with anything. So whatever you can do to prep, you're in it, and it's the same thing with, you know, any team that you have. How are you gonna prep them for this stuff? And that's what practice is, right?

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:20Jocko Willink?

  But if you're taking someone cold into something, warm them up. Do the prep work.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it does help too, especially with the kids, but as adults as well. Thing that is really true, actually, where when you first start something and you're like, good at it, right when you start, you know, when you think like, oh, wait, I'm kind of good at this. Like, and I just started it. Way more into it. Versus like, it's just like you suck and it's just one big mystery and you're like, brother, this freaking, there's no payoff. There's literally no payoff in this thing, you know? That kind of situation. It's true. One more tip about jiu-jitsu, about if, I'm saying if they don't like it, or if they're not really into it, tell them go and let them bring a friend. Because that'll break down those barriers as well, where it's like, yeah, if I'm coming with someone, you know? And that, that worked a lot with my daughter, where she was like, yeah, I know, jiu-jitsu, I wanna go.

• 23:09Speaker 01

  I wanna go freaking do dance class. She's like super girly or whatever. But she's like, strong. So I'm like, no, no, no. Don't waste your gift, you know, whatever. But, um, but the moment that she had a friend who was like, oh, yeah, I wanna go. She was like, oh, yeah, I wanna go too now. Now she wants to go.

• 23:24Jocko Willink?

  Great, great tip. Great tip. Yep, check. When my kids were kids, like, I'd bring every freaking kid in the neighborhood who was coming to jiu-jitsu.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  That's how.

• 23:32Jocko Willink?

  There was the deal.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  So good.

• 23:34Jocko Willink?

  They still all joke about it, like, well, yeah, jiu-jitsu. Like, every, every kid in like, the whole clan of kids and family friends, they all trained jiu-jitsu at some point.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:44Jocko Willink?

  Which is pretty rad.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:46Jocko Willink?

  All right, let's get to some Q and A.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  First question. Hi, I'm 23 years old. I really wanna change my life and achieve something significant in my life. But the biggest problem that I have is easily, I easily get distracted. I don't have a lot of discipline.

• 24:00Jocko Willink?

  So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground Podcast. So if you want to continue to listen, go to jockounderground.com and subscribe and we're doing this, we're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms. So we are not subject to their control and we are doing this so that we can support the Jocko Podcast, which will remain as is free for all, as long as we can keep it that way. But we, but we are doing this so we don't have to be under the control of sponsors. And we're doing it so we can give you

• 24:41Jocko Willink?

  more control, more interaction, more direct connections, better communications with us. And to do that, we are, we're building a website right now where we'll be able to utilize to strengthen this legion of troopers that are in the game with us. So thank you. It's jockounderground.com. It costs $8.18 a month. And if you can't afford to support us, we can still support you. Just email [email protected] and we'll get you taken care of. Until then, we will see you mobilized underground.