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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 82, sitting with Echo Charles. Also me here. My name is Jocko Wink.

• 0:10Jocko Willink?

  Here's a question that I posed the other day. And as soon as I ask you this question, you're gonna think, you're gonna know the answer, and it's gonna, it's gonna be one of those things where you go, yup. Here's the question. If you don't follow the rules, do you get more or less rules?

• 0:30Jocko Willink?

  And this is like another interpretation of discipline equals freedom. That's what it is. It's another interpretation of discipline equals freedom. But my original angle on it, on asking this question, came from not thinking about discipline equals freedom, but I was working with some, working with some people, working with a company. They have workers, the workers have a lot of freedom in this particular company. There's not a lot of supervision, people out there on their own, doing their own thing, kind of. And some people take advantage of it.

• 1:00Jocko Willink?

  And they are not doing what they're supposed to be doing in some cases, but it's really hard to track. Maybe they take the extra long lunch break. Maybe they leave a little early. Maybe they show up late. Maybe they're not doing the procedures that they're supposed to be doing. And so guess what happens? Like, like, these things start to show up. And then what does corporate start to do? Well, corporate then starts imposing rules. And then what happens? You know, there's like, um, these days, you can, you can track people, like in a multitude of ways, technology. You can, I, if you worked for me, and we were a software company, I could monitor your activity on your computer all day.

• 1:41Jocko Willink?

  And be like, hey, you, you know, you were on your computer, you only were active on your keyboard for this many things, you only put in this many characters. There was, there was an hour and, an hour and 48 minutes in the afternoon where you didn't, you didn't input any characters. What were you doing?

• 2:01Jocko Willink?

  Right? What were you doing? Or what if you were law enforcement? And now I'm tracking you with a GPS and I'm like, oh, from, you know, one o'clock in the afternoon until 3:48, you were in this parking lot, in the back corner of this parking lot. What were you doing? How were you helping John Q. Public? Right? So I can start tracking you. Now I can start putting on rules. And now how do you feel? Now you're getting frustrated. Right? Now you feel like I'm watching you. Feel like I'm micromanaging you, and I am. Why is that? Well, it's because you were violating some stuff. So as I'm talking to this company, I asked, I asked that question to the workers,

• 2:44Jocko Willink?

  to the, to the frontline troops. I said, let me ask you a question. If you don't follow the rules, do you get more or less rules? And you could see the, their face is kind of like,

• 2:54Jocko Willink?

  he's got a point there.

• 2:58Jocko Willink?

  But here's the thing, it's, everyone knows the answer to that question. If you don't follow the rules, do you get more or less rules? The answer is of course you're gonna get more rules. That's what's gonna happen. And you've been experiencing this since you were a kid. When you were a kid and you broke a rule, you didn't get less rules, you got more rules. When you're a kid and you, your grades go down, you get more rules. You have mandatory homework time. You've got study hall you have to go to. If you're causing problems at recess, you get more rules. So you're not allowed to go to recess. You gotta sit here, write your name, write the, I will not, you know, push Freddie around the playground anymore. You gotta write that on the board a thousand times. You're gonna get more rules.

• 3:43Jocko Willink?

  If you break more rules, you get more rules. Same thing as an employee

• 3:49Jocko Willink?

  or a team member. It's the same thing. If you break more rules, you get more rules. Actually, I told them about the Marine Corps. Now you know I love the Marine Corps. Yes, I do. Marine Corps is freaking outstanding. If you go to a Marine Corps range.

• 4:06Jocko Willink?

  A lot of rules. They, you know, hey, you will now lock and load five rounds in your weapon. Ready on the left, ready on the right, you will now fire one round at a time at your target at forty meters. Stand by on the left, stand by on the right. Commence firing, everyone fires five rounds, cease fire, cease fire. You go to a SEAL range, there's just like no rules. Well, of course, there's rules, very limited rules. Why is that? Well, in the Marine Corps, at some point, somebody shot, you know, outside the field of fire, so they made a rule. Somebody shot too early, they made a rule. Somebody shot too late, they made a rule. Somebody went full auto when they weren't supposed to, they made a rule.

• 4:50Jocko Willink?

  Somebody snuck some rounds off the range when they were done, they made a rule.

• 4:56Jocko Willink?

  Somebody wasn't shooting the right targets, they made a rule. So they end up making all these rules. And you're getting control, that's what happens. You become less effective, actually. But why is that? It's because people broke the rules. And so they put more rules in place. If you're a human being, it's the same thing.

• 5:19Jocko Willink?

  If you break rules, or more commonly as a just a human, if you don't have rules, you're gonna get ruled. This is the discipline equals freedom. This is another angle on discipline equals freedom. That is why what we have to do as people is give ourselves rules. You have to give yourself rules to follow. You have to,

• 5:44Jocko Willink?

  you have to wake up. You have to wake up early in the morning. You have to work out. You gotta take that cold shower. You gotta get your work done for your job. You gotta do that well. The better you do that, the more freedom you're gonna get. Hey, if you're getting micromanaged at work, do better. If you feel like you don't have control over your own destiny, do better, you'll get more control. Be more productive. The more productive you are, the more freedom you're gonna get at work, guaranteed, it's guaranteed.

• 6:16Jocko Willink?

  Limit the amount, set some rules on the amount of time you're spending looking at a screen.

• 6:22Jocko Willink?

  Put rules on that. Otherwise, that screen's gonna rule you.

• 6:29Jocko Willink?

  Put rules in place. Eat clean. What are you doing? Put some rules around what you're putting into your body.

• 6:38Jocko Willink?

  Put rules in place.

• 6:41Jocko Willink?

  If you're just doing whatever, you're gonna have problems. The food is gonna rule you.

• 6:48Jocko Willink?

  Go to bed on time. Go to sleep when you're supposed to go to sleep.

• 6:55Jocko Willink?

  And if you follow these rules that you make for yourself, you're gonna have less things in life ruling you.

• 7:06Jocko Willink?

  You know, when you work hard enough, eventually you don't have a boss anymore. You're your own boss.

• 7:13Jocko Willink?

  When you make enough money,

• 7:17Jocko Willink?

  eventually that money's not on your mind anymore. It's not ruling your life. You're not worried about how you're gonna afford the rent.

• 7:27Jocko Willink?

  The money's not ruling you anymore when you work hard.

• 7:32Jocko Willink?

  When you're healthy, you're not ruled by

• 7:37Jocko Willink?

  disease. You're not ruled by fatigue.

• 7:44Jocko Willink?

  If you rule yourself with discipline, you will end up with more rules which will in fact give you freedom.

• 7:58Jocko Willink?

  So there you go. Those are my thoughts for the day.

• 8:03Jocko Willink?

  Another angle, same gig.

• 8:09Jocko Willink?

  It's a good one, man. It's a good one. The look on their face when I asked that question. So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground Podcast. So if you want to continue to listen. Go to JacoUnderground.com and subscribe and we're doing this, we're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms. So we are not subject to their control and we are doing this so that we can support the Jocko Podcast, which will remain as is free for all, as long as we can keep it that way. But we, but we are doing this so we don't

• 8:50Jocko Willink?

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