Jocko Underground: Getting Humbled VS Getting Humiliated. Is Jocko a Celebrity? How to Make Leadership Fun. How to Properly Council Someone.

Opening: Getting Humbled VS Getting Humiliated. How to effectively council someone. Can you learn leadership too early? How to avoid injuries in Jiu Jitsu. How to make leadership and your team's environment fun. How does it feel for Jocko to be a celebrity? Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 20. Echo Charles and I, sitting here, getting ready to talk about some things. We're kind of talking about things, rolling into this. Here, here's the topic that I'm gonna bring up. Cause it's something that we need to think about. So we all talk about, I talk about, gotta be humble, right? True. Gotta be humble. Humble, we can get humbled, which can be a positive thing. Oh, you know, I was humbled in this game because I thought I was pretty good, but then I got smoked. So I got humbled, now I need to, I know, I need to go back and practice more. But there could be a line that gets crossed from time to time, from humbled to humiliated.

• 0:48Jocko Willink?

  Let me tell you why I'm bringing this up. A guy named Dean Lisch, Dean Lister. So we were training the other day. Now, listen, since the beginning of time, of Dean Lister and I training for 25 or 26 or 27 years together. If I have a really good day, and he has a really bad day.

• 1:14Jocko Willink?

  It's a pretty good scrap, right? You see what I'm saying? If I have a really good day, I'm on, I'm fresh, I'm warm, I'm feeling good. If I have a really good day, and, and on top of that, he has a really bad day. Where he's tired, worn out, doesn't want to train, you know, whatever. Mentally worn down. If that's the situation, we might have a good match, right? Any other situation, he's gonna, he's gonna kind of crush me.

• 1:48Jocko Willink?

  If I'm having a bad day.

• 1:53Jocko Willink?

  And he's having a good day. It can be a real problem. Yeah. So the other day, he was not only, this might sound strange, he was not only having a good day, he was like in a playful yet punitive mode. Uh huh. Where, cause you know, like, I will, I'll get my digs on Dean Lister, right? Whether they're verbal, you know, or it's on the mat, like, hey, when, when I have the upper hand, I'm gonna capitalize on that. Yeah. When he has the upper hand, he's gonna capitalize. Yeah. But like I said, if he has the upper hand, it's a much, it's much more up. Yeah. So, he was just ragdolling me. Yeah. Ragdolling me. Yeah.

• 2:38Jocko Willink?

  Uh, he was holding me by my, we were in gi, he was holding me by my like belt and lapel. My, my lapel was somehow like wrapped around my leg and, and he was dragging me around the mat. Just laughing at me. Yep, that's bad. So now you might think, okay, Jocko, you've been, I, I, look, I've been training jiu-jitsu for a long time. Okay? Physically, I work out a lot, right? So I'm not in bad condition. Right. In fact, I would venture so far as to say, if, if Dean and I were in like a fitness competition, right? Mm-hmm. I would probably beat him in quite a few things. There's a couple of things that he is mutantly strong at. Yeah.

• 3:23Jocko Willink?

  But broadly speaking, now, you would never feel that on the mat. Yeah. If you rolled with him and you rolled with me on the mat, you'd be like, Jocko's weak. This guy is, can, can, must be able to clean and jerk nine thousand pounds. Yeah. That's what he feels like, on the mat, for sure. So, it's not like I'm exponentially weaker than him. It's not like I got, I wasn't even gassed, that's a really scary thing, I wasn't even gassed. Yeah. I was just, I, I was helpless like a child. Like a child. Sorry, man. And I'm a two hundred and thirty pound man that's been training jiu-jitsu for a really long time. Yeah. So, and you know, here's the thing, I mean, I know the deal.

• 4:04Jocko Willink?

  Like I'm having fun like I'm laughing. I'm like, yeah, this sucks. We're with Wes. Wes is just like, yeah, this is just, this is unfortunate to watch. It's just a bummer. Like, hey, I'm sorry that this is happening. That's the way it is. So here's the deal.

• 4:21Jocko Willink?

  The training ends, you know, we, we, then he showed me a couple of things, you know, he's like, oh, here's something, here's something. You know, we, we worked through some moves and he's an incredible instructor.

• 4:31Jocko Willink?

  Um, but then I had to go home.

• 4:34Jocko Willink?

  And the drive home, the drive home, which isn't a far drive. It takes me, you know, 10 minutes. Yeah. It seemed like 10 hours. Right. That's real. That part of it. It seemed like 10 hours and I was questioning, what is wrong with me? What was wrong with me? How did this even happen? Yeah. Am I even a person?

• 4:53Jocko Willink?

  Am I, have I wasted my whole life? Doing something for no reason and I'm a loser. Yeah. So, you know, I took that long 10 hour drive home in my mind. And what are you gonna do? So I, I figure it's a good topic to talk about because it happens in all aspects of life, right? You show up to do a presentation at work and you bomb it. You go up and talk to a, a, a female and you know, looks at you like whatever, whatever these series of rejections are that are gonna happen. These, these not just humbling moments, but it's one step further. Like it's one thing, you, you know, you're young and you go up to a girl to talk to her.

• 5:36Jocko Willink?

  And she says, hey, you know, I have a boyfriend, but nice to meet you. Right? Okay. That's cool. Yeah. And maybe it's a little bit stronger than that. Maybe it's like, hey, listen, I'm not really looking for, you know, a dude right now, but later. Yeah. But it could just be like, why do you think you are on a level where you would be talking to me, right? It could be some crazy, right? Yeah. Could be, you know, same thing at work. Like you could, look, you mess up and the boss says, hey, hey, man, you need to tighten it up. And you're like, yeah, sorry. I, I need to, I need to prepare way more. Or it could be like, hey, man, I don't know if I'm gonna let you present in front of clients again. That was ridiculous. Ever. So what are we gonna do? I, I just have to say like, step one, you gotta get back on the horse, right?

• 6:21Jocko Willink?

  You heard that expression before, right? You fell off the horse, you got dinged up, your ego is dinged up.

• 6:28Jocko Willink?

  I was actually looking forward to my next training session because I'm like, there's no way it's going that bad. There's no way I could train with anyone in the entire world and it's going to go that bad. Yeah. It was bad. So you gotta, you gotta put yourself into the mode of like, okay, had a bad day. I had it. Do you remember Shandau? You remember him? Alex Shandau was his nickname. He's a jujitsu guy and he was with us at Fabio Santos. And he would say, you have days and days. That was what he would say. Basically, he was trying to say you have good days and bad days, but he'd just say you had days and days, which is legit, right?

• 7:10Jocko Willink?

  Because those kind of days could be anything. So it's the truth though. You have days and days. So sometimes you have days and days. The good day is cool. We're stoked. We don't need to worry about them. All good. If you have one of the other days, then you gotta put that, you gotta say, okay, we reached a new low. Yep. And it's time to start climbing up again and it's okay. You learned something and I did. I learned, I did learn a couple of things, you know, he gave me a couple of grip things. Talked to me about my hip displacement, you know, all these code words. So you learn, but I just want to let everybody know that there's days and days.

• 7:50Jocko Willink?

  And there's sometimes you get humbled and sometimes you get straight up humiliated and it's okay. Get back on the horse, see what you can learn. So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jaco Underground Podcast. So if you want to continue to listen, go to jacoundground.com and subscribe. And we're doing this, we're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms. So we are not subject to their control and we are doing this so that we can support the Jaco Podcast, which will remain as is, free for all, as long as we can keep it that way.

• 8:33Jocko Willink?

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