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0:00 Jocko Willink? This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 11 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo.
0:06 Speaker 01 Good evening.
0:07 Jocko Willink? We have some more Q and A for today from
0:13 Speaker 01 The Underground.
0:13 Jocko Willink? The Underground. So people that are in the Underground know how to ask questions to the Underground. More narrow audience, so we get to them quicker. So here we go. Here's a question, and this question is actually directed, I believe it, Echo Charles, for the most part, so I'm gonna read it. It says, "I've been lifting weight, bodybuilding, powerlifting since high school. I recently purchased Jocko's field manual. It was awesome, by the way. So, the thing is, I'm not very familiar with the Olympic lifts, and I can't afford to do BJJ and CrossFit. Obviously, I'm going with BJJ because you can't burpee out of a chokehold." That's affirmative. "I'm curious to what movements Echo Charles bases his lifting around.
0:59 Jocko Willink? I know he played D1 football, so he may be more familiar with Olympic lifts as well. I'm just trying to see what weight training split will complement a beginner at BJJ and someone who isn't very familiar with Olympic lifts. I'm very experienced with the big three, squat, bench, deadlift. But I love cardio, the cardio aspect that comes with Metcon Olympic lifting." Echo Charles, go.
1:24 Speaker 01 Okay, let me preface this with my
1:28 Jocko Willink? I'll be back in 15.
1:28 Speaker 01 Personal
1:31 Speaker 01 My personal training certificate, certification is expired, has been
1:38 Jocko Willink? Did you actually get one?
1:38 Speaker 01 I got a certification. It was like one of the bare minimum ones.
1:41 Jocko Willink? When?
1:42 Speaker 01 2003.
1:44 Jocko Willink? Were you thinking maybe that was the road?
1:45 Speaker 01 That was, that was the road.
1:47 Jocko Willink? Did you actually do that for a while?
1:48 Speaker 01 I was a personal trainer for a little while, yes. Oh, wow, a year and a half, one year, maybe.
1:53 Jocko Willink? Where?
1:54 Speaker 01 I don't know. 24 Hour Fitness.
1:55 Jocko Willink? San Diego?
1:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, San Diego. UTC 24 Hour Fitness, yep.
1:59 Jocko Willink? No kidding.
1:59 Speaker 01 It's true. Well, in college, I went to school for, I wanted to be a strength and conditioning coach. So that was what I sort of pursued, that's why.
2:09 Jocko Willink? So you're, you're, you're, bro-science has a little
2:13 Speaker 01 Some regular science in it, yes.
2:15 Jocko Willink? You could have fooled me over the past 10 years.
2:18 Speaker 01 Well, in exercise and like sports.
2:22 Jocko Willink? Bro-science is real. Well, John, you gotta understand, exercise and sports, pro-science is the real thing.
2:29 Speaker 01 No, man. There's so much updating, you know, because everybody's body's different and all the stuff responds differently, different things, fast switch, slow twitch muscles, like
2:39 Jocko Willink? Medium switch, which is a thing?
2:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, see, and even that, you know, it's like, put it this way, there's always new updates to it. So, things that we thought was the best way, sometimes later on, they found out, hey, that's not the best way. This is even better way.
2:56 Jocko Willink? Science.
2:57 Speaker 01 Some things, they say, hey, this is not even true anymore because we thought it was true because of this, this, this, but this, this, this is only the case because of this other thing that we didn't know about.
3:06 Jocko Willink? Well, lately, there's been a lot of, lot of this trust the science stuff going around. And the thing about trust, like you just said, you can trust science today, it could be different tomorrow.
3:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, and then even that, that's going to depend because there's like, what do you call them, the hard sciences? And then there's the not hard sciences or whatever. So, then there's that going around.
3:26 Jocko Willink? Even in the hard sciences, like, things get proven wrong over time.
3:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, and I think, like, there are, yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, yeah, but
3:38 Jocko Willink? There's no
3:38 Speaker 01 A lot of stuff.
3:39 Jocko Willink? But.
3:40 Speaker 01 Yes, there is a but. They're not going to prove that one plus one, like, for some reason, doesn't equal two anymore. It's like that kind of stuff.
3:47 Jocko Willink? That's math.
3:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, which is one of the hard science, sciences, or it's part of the hard No, I'm not. No, I'm not. This is absolutely true. Either way, back to lifting.
3:59 Jocko Willink? Let's just, let's focus on lifting.
4:02 Jocko Willink? Let's get back to lifting. The hard science, the hard pro-science of lifting.
4:06 Speaker 01 Hard science of lifting.
4:07 Jocko Willink? All right, what do you got?
4:08 Speaker 01 Um, this is my opinion, and it's not, like, gonna be, I am not a strength and conditioning coach at all.
4:16 Jocko Willink? Okay.
4:16 Speaker 01 But, if you ask me what I do and what I've found to be beneficial for jujitsu and non-jujitsu stuff, here's what I, what I have currently. So, I don't, my workouts are not based for jujitsu. Not fully. Some of it is, because lifting weights has all kinds of different pursuits. You want muscular endurance, you want to look good, you want big muscles, you want to be strong, you want it to be performance-based, and then performance-based how? You know, like, you want to be strong in the weight room, you want to be fast, you want to, you know, so there's like all, all kinds of different pursuits going in different directions, fully. So mine was when I started lifting weights, it was to be quote unquote, big and strong and fast.
4:57 Jocko Willink? Okay.
4:58 Speaker 01 Which are three different things too, by the way, but my workouts would be based kinda with those three interests in mind.
5:05 Jocko Willink? Are they still?
5:07 Speaker 01 Not the fast.
5:08 Jocko Willink? So I think he's asking, what are you doing right now?
5:10 Speaker 01 Yeah. Um, but I think that that's important to preface because it's like, oh, wait, I don't.
5:15 Jocko Willink? Clapping.
5:15 Speaker 01 I.
5:15 Jocko Willink? They recognize I was trying to move this conversation along.
5:18 Speaker 01 They're not. If they, if they have the same question, they think that this is beneficial because it is. And this is why. Because sometimes people will be like, hey, they'll like, look at me and I'll get this. They'll be like, hey, what do you do for lifting? But then if you don't say like, well, my, I don't do this thing. And then I happen to get this result. It's like, I have these certain things that I do for working out that for these certain results or whatever. And they conflict with each other. Like a lot of the lifts that I do totally conflict with jujitsu. Like as far as, I mean, I guess they'd be considered like bodybuilding lifts, like, uh, just the format. You know, like if, if, if I do five sets of 12 reps, we'll say shoulder press.
6:00 Speaker 01 Five sets of 12 reps, uh, a minute, minute and a half rest in between till failure every time. That's a bodybuilding type movement. That's not directly beneficial to jujitsu. In fact, if you put on lean muscle mass, that's not effective for jujitsu to a certain point. So if you're a two, super skinny little dude, and then you put on muscle mass, okay. But once you get sort of into that, a certain range, depending on your body build or whatever, the muscle works against you in jujitsu.
6:32 Jocko Willink? Okay.
6:32 Speaker 01 Oh yeah, it does. Wait, wasn't it you that was saying, oh yeah, you put it, you wanted to get up to like 250?
6:37 Jocko Willink? Yeah, yeah. Just said that on the podcast with Jocko.
6:39 Speaker 01 Yes. And then, uh.
6:41 Jocko Willink? And then I went to run. I did it. Ran four miles and I was like, good lord.
6:44 Speaker 01 I'm too big.
6:45 Jocko Willink? This is too much.
6:46 Speaker 01 And the thing is you could be 250, good weight or bad weight, you'd probably have that same thing going on. If you don't train for running the mile, you see what I'm saying?
6:54 Jocko Willink? If I was training, then I wouldn't have been able to get to 250 if I'd been, if I kept running well.
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