Dr. Brian Keating On UFOs | Drinkin' Bros Podcast

Dr. Brian Keating joins the Drinkin' Bros Podcast with hosts Ross Patterson and Dan Hollaway for an engaging discussion on the cosmos! The trio explores whether a Big Bang truly started the universe, revealing insights into the latest advancements from the James Webb telescope. The conversation takes a curious turn into the recent UFO/UAP phenomena with Dr. Keating sharing his thoughts on the skepticism surrounding UFO sightings and the possibility of alien visits. Join Dr. Brian Keating as he unravels the cosmos with wit and wisdom! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:31Speaker 03

  Welcome to Drinkin Bros, presented by Ghostbed.com. Yeah, welcome to Drinkin Bros, kids. Got an oldie but a goodie on the show, one of our faves. A real fucking smarty pants is on the show today. Brian Keating's here. Brian, how are you, Bri guy?

• 0:55Brian Keating?

  Good to be back with the brothers.

• 0:56Speaker 03

  Look at you, the brothers. You even said it like New Jack City, dude.

• 1:01Speaker 05

  Well, he's got street cred.

• 1:03Brian Keating?

  accent coming through.

• 1:03Speaker 03

  Do you have street cred? Or is it, what is it in space? What do you call that? Is it space cred?

• 1:09Brian Keating?

  Multiverse cred, yeah.

• 1:10Speaker 03

  Look at that.

• 1:12Brian Keating?

  Yeah, you know, to be the, to be the, you know, most, most street cred legit professor is not the big, biggest flex in the world, okay?

• 1:21Speaker 03

  I don't know, man. I think today it might be.

• 1:23Speaker 05

  I think it might be that dude from Columbia that was like, yeah, I just kind of casually do heroin from time to time.

• 1:28Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:29Speaker 05

  Sorry, what?

• 1:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, that guy rocks.

• 1:30Speaker 05

  What'd you say?

• 1:31Speaker 03

  Brian, you doing heroin from time to time just to keep the senses alert?

• 1:35Brian Keating?

  Nah, well, no needle drugs. You know, I gotta, I gotta keep it, keep it clean. You know, my boss, good old Gavin is gonna check on me.

• 1:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, no needles. I like that policy.

• 1:46Speaker 05

  Gavin with that haircut, he's definitely on the booger sugar though.

• 1:49Brian Keating?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:50Speaker 03

  Oh, Newsom?

• 1:51Brian Keating?

  Never stopped it.

• 1:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, hasn't ever. Is Newsom your boss, really?

• 1:55Speaker 05

  Well, he's a public employee.

• 1:57Brian Keating?

  Governor, yeah. He's the ultimate boss of the University of California system where I work, yeah.

• 2:02Speaker 03

  Wow, that's not good. Shit, um, what are you working on these days?

• 2:08Brian Keating?

  Well, you know, we're working on understanding the age of the universe, whether there was a big bang, whether the universe will last forever, and also whether or not we're alone in the universe. These are the, you know, really biggest topics you could ever study. And we're not, we're not that much closer, but every day we make a little bit of progress. So we built a telescope in the last four years, an observatory called the Simons Observatory in Chile at about seventeen thousand feet. Got about two hundred million dollars invested in that, and that just turned on, you know, in the last, last few weeks. So we're hoping to get some data in this coming year in 2025. And that data will hopefully really change the way we look at whether there was a, an origin of our universe, whether the universe

• 2:53Brian Keating?

  has always been here, and whether the universe is gonna come to an end, and, you know, when, when we can stop paying taxes.

• 2:59Speaker 05

  Now, when you say come to an end, there's big crunch and big freeze. Are we still doing that, or is there some other theory?

• 3:05Brian Keating?

  Yeah, there's, there's a couple of different scenarios for the end of the universe. So, you know, there's, there's a couple scenarios for the beginning of the universe, too. The challenges with these things is, are they hidden? Are they permissible to be known by the laws of physics, by the laws of observation? You know, I, I can't see you guys, even if I had a super powerful telescope here, because the horizon, you know, fades away, curves away, despite what the flurfers might believe. There is a curved horizon, so I can't, but I can infer that you're here. There's many ways I could, you know, get, gather information about you. But there are certain things called event horizons that may preclude us from ever knowing what the truth is about the actual origin point of the universe itself.

• 3:47Brian Keating?

  And, and for that reason, it's, it's both shrouded in mystery and shrouded sometimes in a lot of bullshit. Because it's, it's very easy to make a prediction about something that can't be observed, right? Because you can't, you can't be proven wrong. And so I think, I think that's the challenge of being a scientist nowadays, is, is kind of avoiding hype and, and really looking at the legit things that we can say. And when we can't know something, say, we don't know, or we can't know. And, and don't be afraid to do that. And I think a lot of my colleagues, unfortunately, are not, you know, used to admitting that they don't know something. And so it puts us in this position of a lot of proliferation of hype, so to speak.

• 4:24Speaker 03

  Um, we had Michio Kaku on the show, uh, big fan of him, obviously. Yeah, speaking of hypes and he's older, he's an older gentleman and you know, he's interested in the same theories and answers and questions that you have. Um, does it worry you at all that you'll never ever get the answers you're actually seeking and that you'll die before you'll get the answers that you've been working every single minute of your life on?

• 4:51Brian Keating?

  Well, shit, it didn't until now.

• 4:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, it should. It should. It freaks me the fuck out, man. It does.

• 4:58Brian Keating?

  My Glock. Where's my Glock?

• 5:00Speaker 03

  Exactly. That better be Gen 4 if you're in California. Gen 5. Yeah, Gen 5 is illegal now, but no, in all seriousness, like, does that ever keep you up at night where you're like, man, I'm doing all this work and it's day after day after day, but I might, I might never know this answer and then I just will die.

• 5:18Brian Keating?

  Uh, it doesn't because it's, it's not as cut and dry as that and, and for good reason. Science isn't really only about like, oh, you made this huge breakthrough. You discovered the origin of the universe. I mean, how many times can that actually happen, right? Um, but there's a lot of incremental breakthroughs that occur on a, on a daily basis. Um, and I'm speaking not just, you know, to be glib, but, but not just about like, well, we teach and, you know, and we educate every day and we make, you know, progress on an, on an experiment or a line of code. No, no, I mean, we're actually learning a tremendous amount about how the universe is structured and we know a lot more than we did, say, when I was, you know, starting off my graduate career, you know, 25, 30 years ago. And so I say

• 5:59Brian Keating?

  that in, in the context of, you know, the progress that we've made can be, can be really, you know, uh, you know, measured exquisitely accurately. For example, when I started graduate school in 1993, um, you know, fresh face, didn't know exactly what I wanted to do. And I started to think about cosmology. I thought these guys were total idiots, you know, because they couldn't tell you if the universe was 10 billion years old or 20 billion years old. So that, that'll be like, you have a father and you don't know if he's older than you or not. Like, I mean, maybe that could be the case for certain people, you know, the brand new stepmom or something like. But really, we had 100% uncertainty on the age of the universe. Now, we know the age of the universe as as precisely as I can look at you guys and tell you what half,

• 6:44Brian Keating?

  you know, whether you were born in the morning or the day or the nighttime. In other words, within a few hours of precision out of 40, 50 years, however old you guys are. So, no.

• 6:53Speaker 03

  90s, baby, 90s, baby. Yeah, continue.

• 6:56Brian Keating?

  Okay.

• 6:56Speaker 03

  No, I'm kidding, totally kidding.

• 7:00Brian Keating?

  In sync and you got the in sync lunchbox, did you?

• 7:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, all of it.

• 7:04Brian Keating?

  Yeah, so no, the progress is tangible. We didn't know, you know, what the masses, we didn't know how many quarks there were. We didn't know anything about the Higgs boson. This is like in 30 years. Now, 30 years is a long time to a person, but over the span of human civilization, just look at, you know, how much technology has advanced. And a lot of the byproducts of what we do in, you know, cutting edge physics, don't immediately throw off scientific, you know, technological benefits. But in my case, it does. I mean, the internet was in part invented by physicists working in the Large Hadron Collider and wanting to share data. And and the you look for the extremes. Where do you find the most extreme,

• 7:45Brian Keating?

  the most amount of data, the most amount of of energy, the most amount of of of matter? Well, it's going to be in fundamental sciences, the kind of stuff that I do. So, stuff that Kaku does, on the other hand, is both is both, you know, secluded from criticism because what he's predicting is stuff that, yeah, you can't do in a lifetime, you can't do in this century. Maybe it doesn't even exist, but maybe if it does exist, you won't be able to know about it until 2020, you know, until the year, you know, 2500, right? So, those guys have kind of ultimate job security. And and and the job of people like me who build experiments is kind of be like Doge and and like get rid of these, you know, people that are basically just, you know,

• 8:26Brian Keating?

  kind of trumpeting the same predictions for the last 30, 40 years and bring to it observations. Say, look, you predicted this, we didn't see this. You can't keep saying the same thing and and expecting different results, right? So, no, in an experiment, it's very different. I don't know how the cop, my colleagues in in the theoretical, like Kaku does it. For example, I mean, he's not a practicing scientist anymore. I mean, you know, for, you know, God love him, he's 80 years old or whatever, but. You know, he's old enough, he should be relaxing in being president, or something like that. So, yeah, I don't, I don't know how the theoretical physicists deal with it when they can't even prove themselves wrong. At least, I can do an experiment to prove something wrong, or prove something actually occurred.

• 9:07Brian Keating?

  And so that, no, I don't have that existential ennui about, about my, my profession, you know, for that reason. And there's always more stuff to learn. I mean, just in the last few years, I mean, this, this whole explosion of AI has really transformed the way I do research and, and the way I think about what it is that a scientist should be doing.

• 9:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, so speaking of proving things wrong, since Friedman in the early 1920s, we thought the Big Bang was kind of the standard, that, but because we saw, and, and it led to a whole host of other problems too, but we saw that the universe was expanded, expanding because of Hubble. And then we're like, well, if it's expanding, it must have at some point all been in one spot. That makes sense, right, intellectually? And then we'd go back and back and back, and we're like, well, it expanded too much in the early period, so we have to deal with inflation, as, as it's called. And now there's a lot of, I wouldn't say, I don't know if doubt is even the right word, but a lot of criticism of the, of the theory as a whole. Can you go into that? Like, what, what did we discover that's new?

• 10:10Speaker 05

  That makes us think maybe the Big Bang wasn't the origin, or if there's an origin at all?

• 10:14Brian Keating?

  Yeah, so these are the oldest, you know, questions, you know, that humanity has really asked since we, you know, kind of crawled out of caves in, in, you know, 250,000 years ago. You know, it's a natural question, where did it come from? How did we get here? And, and, and that still continues. And the, the challenge with science is like, we don't actually prove stuff, like, I can't prove to you the Earth is round. And in fact, it's, it's not perfectly round. You know, it has these characteristics of, it's called an oblate spheroid. It's a little bit like a football, not quite, you know, shout out to the Super Bowl. But the point being that it bulges a little bit because it's rotating about the equator. So like many of us, it bulges around the equator, right?

• 10:54Brian Keating?

  And so the, the, the statement that the Earth is round is not true, but it's more true than the statement The earth is flat. So to say that the earth, that the universe had a big bang is a statement which you would like to be able to prove. But in fact, we can't actually have direct evidence from that time period because it obviously happened over 13 billion years ago. So what we do is we look for indirect evidence. We look for the conditions of fossils, kind of like we want to learn about what was the, you know, the Paleolithic time period like or the Jurassic time period like we look for fossils. We look for things that have traveled through time that bear the imprint of the physical conditions in which they were made. Right. So in the case of the big bang, the stuff that's made are the elements in the periodic table, for example, or are

• 11:38Brian Keating?

  in in the case of what I study, waves of gravity called gravitational radiation. And so if you see those those things, they are harbingers of the early universe's conditions. And so you use those as thermometers or as scales to measure the mass or the content of the universe. So right now, what what I always say to my students is when you discover a flaw, it might lead to a new law. In other words, you might learn something new. So when we had the big bang, that overthrew the previous paradigm, which is that the universe was static, eternal, steady state, and existed forever. Now, that doesn't mean that every single person on earth believes that. In fact, there are colleagues today who don't believe that, who believe the universe didn't have a big bang. They're in the minority and, you know, science is not necessarily done by majority opinion or authority opinion.

• 12:23Brian Keating?

  But it goes by preponderance of evidence and there is a level of which consensus does make a difference. You know, and it's different than saying, oh, well, like you scientists all believed in the COVID vaccine. So, you know, or you believe in global warming. So why should I trust you? It's very different, right, guys? I mean, if you think about like the stakes for you to inject some, you know, messenger RNA into your kid's body is a lot different than the stakes of believing whether or not neutrons were created in the first, you know, 280 seconds or 270 seconds, right? The different stakes, right? So in a sense, there's less to be to be, and that's why I think there are so much, you know, misguided, in some cases, passion around, say, the whole UAP UFO question, right?

• 13:06Brian Keating?

  Because people do believe that they're that the UFOs and UAPs will have an effect on their daily lives. I I don't I think that's personally nonsense, but but we can talk about that later. But but the point about cosmology is when the stakes are lower, like believing in the Big Bang, quote unquote, or not believing in it, that doesn't impact your daily life, right? It's not going to change lower egg prices. It's not going to, you know, change, you know, how many followers you have on Instagram.

• 13:27Speaker 03

  But it will change religion, not to interrupt you. It will change people's religion and then the way they view the world, though. And that's that's also a big problem.

• 13:35Brian Keating?

  Over time.

• 13:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, because there's going to be people that wake up with this idea that they've been taught for ever and generations and generations, and then, hey, it's not true. So what do we believe in after all?

• 13:45Speaker 05

  But even even the the biggest, um, it's it's really funny. It's always sunny does a great bit on this. Even science is wrong sometimes, and he says he makes everybody look like a bitch. The whole scene is really funny, but the biggest scientific breakthroughs of all time, almost all of them have been not necessarily disproven, but been proven only somewhat correct or only correct in under these conditions or something like that, right? So yeah, provisionally correct or only correct under these circumstances, right? So general relativity, for example, the miracle year of 1905 is probably the biggest year in science in in, uh, uh, at least so far as I know in history. And it turns out it doesn't talk about the small part of the world, the quantum world at all, right?

• 14:30Speaker 05

  And it's and Einstein knew that later in life, and that's he died that that that kind of morose, uh, soliloquy you went on earlier about him regretting his entire life.

• 14:38Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 14:39Speaker 05

  Einstein literally died in a hospital bed, trying to figure out the theory of everything, as they call it.

• 14:42Speaker 03

  That's and that's why I asked you, um, because the other thing too is like with the Big Bang theory in particular. This is a a huge one for, uh, you know, religious zealots and all that other stuff. And everybody will die on this hill about what actually happens. And and what if you proved it?

• 14:58Speaker 05

  I think if you I think if you, uh,

• 15:00Speaker 03

  What if you proved it one way or the other?

• 15:01Speaker 05

  I think if your faith hangs in the balance over, uh, what mechanisms brought all this into existence, like physical mechanisms brought into existence, and you're not really a terribly faithful person, probably, right? Not to say that you should believe, uh, uh, one thing as literal truth versus something else because of that. But like the the Christendom doesn't hinge on whether or not God used, uh, the the process of evolution to create things.

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  Or just like, sand. You know what I mean? It doesn't make any fucking sense to even think about that, in my opinion.

• 16:03Speaker 03

  Well, I look, I agree with you, but we always keep an open mind because, you know, after all these years of, nine years of doing this on the show and having guys like you on, science is always changing and it should be, because hopefully technology improves, like you said earlier, AI improves and all that other stuff, and we're able to look back and change science and understand, uh, what happened, what could happen in the future and everything else, uh, but there's just people who aren't willing to believe that. Um, with the thing, with the Big Bang in particular, with what you're working on, there's a lot of people who freak out about shit like that, and I wonder if they ever hit you up and say, "Hey, why are you looking into this? Why do you even believe it's, it's something other than what we've been taught?"

• 16:46Brian Keating?

  Oh yeah, yeah. And I mean, just, you know, historical point of fact, the Big Bang model, you know, yes, Friedman, Alexander Friedman and others contributed to the mathematical understanding of it, but it was really this Catholic priest named George Lemaître.

• 17:00Speaker 03

  Lemaître, yeah.

• 17:01Brian Keating?

  Yeah, who, who had this idea, and as soon as he came up with this idea, first of all, Einstein thought he was a nutcase, um, but this priest, to give him his credit, he was like, "I don't want this used by the Pope," which it immediately was, uh, to justify, you know, the description of Genesis, you know, 1:1. So, it's, it's very dangerous to do that, by the way. Um, not, not, not necessarily for, you know, the scientists who say, "Oh, well, you know, I, I think scientists might have more of, you know, a feeling of anathema towards religion than the Converse." In other words, someone who's religious can always say, as everyone from Galileo, you know, Descartes, everyone has done throughout the ages, uh, was- Say and Isaac Newton especially, I mean, he was deeply religious, you know, his biggest accomplishment.

• 17:45Brian Keating?

  He said he's he died a virgin like his hero, Jesus Christ. Um, so he he wrote way more about about, you know, the religion than he did about sciences. And then he was probably arguably the greatest scientist to ever live. So the uh, the statement that, you know, people will have their opinions upheld. I actually don't are upended. I don't actually think that's true. Uh, in a lot of cases, uh, I think people will just re, you know, reverse engineer their narrative to to then comport the scientific data. And and that happened during the Big Bang and happened after the Big Bang. I mean, don't forget for for, you know, two thousand years after Jesus, that I mean, really, the Big Bang model came about in the nineteen, late nineteen twenties. So there was no evidence for it. There was no even theory for it. And people thought it was all steady state.

• 18:28Brian Keating?

  So what did the religious people do with that, you know, brutal fact as according to science? That the universe was eternal? Well, they didn't, it didn't affect their faith, right? I mean, arguably, faith was a lot stronger back then. And I I think the same thing will happen with with everything from aliens to uh, to, you know, if we discover inflation took place. I remember we did claim inflation took place in twenty twenty and twenty fourteen. My experiment at South Pole that I invented and co-led it, you know, at one time. You know, we announced we detected inflation. And on the front page of the New York Times were people saying this proves there's no God. And then religious journals.

• 19:03Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 19:04Brian Keating?

  Proves that God did it all, so.

• 19:05Speaker 05

  Well, let's go into it, though. Why, what what could have, do we have any idea what might have caused what we're perceiving as inflation? Because like just a quick description. Um, there is the speed of light because uh, atoms have mass and mass gets heavier as it moves faster. Right? We that it's rudimentary, reductive, but that's basically what it is. But this stuff moved, I think it's like one thirty two thousandth of a second. It got as big as a basketball or something like that. And it expanded rapidly after that again or so. I don't I don't remember the exact numbers. But inflation moved the early universe faster than we can calculate it essentially, right? Or faster than our law.

• 19:44Speaker 03

  For the audience at home, we're not talking about financial inflation.

• 19:47Speaker 05

  No, no, although that's coming down.

• 19:48Speaker 03

  Well, I bet everybody's talking about that now, just to clarify. Yeah, continue.

• 19:52Speaker 05

  But do we have any idea of what might have caused that? Because to me, it always sounded like, I don't know, I I feel like. I like a simple explanations of things and all of our like the big crunch makes a lot of sense to me where all of our all the matter in the universe eventually gets sucked into one giant black hole. And why wouldn't that pour out into somewhere else or pour right out of that black hole or something? You know what I mean?

• 20:17Brian Keating?

  Alright, so here's what I want you guys to do. We're gonna do an experiment, first time ever. Take some hard as F.

• 20:22Speaker 03

  Hard as F seltzers, done. I'll grab that out of the fridge. Yeah, how many cans? How many cans do I grab?

• 20:27Brian Keating?

  I want uh one only, one for each of you guys.

• 20:29Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 20:29Brian Keating?

  We're gonna do a randomized controlled trial. So inflation is a lot like. Uh, I'll get an old one, actually. I don't want to waste it.

• 20:40Speaker 03

  Purpils, you forced me to drink, Brian.

• 20:42Brian Keating?

  Yeah, no.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  That is Friday. I never do it. I never do it, especially on Fridays. Dear God.

• 20:47Brian Keating?

  Sorry, you know, sorry to break your streak of.

• 20:51Speaker 03

  Keep it open or close?

• 20:52Brian Keating?

  So one of you guys um shake yours up and the other one keep it, keep it still, okay?

• 20:56Speaker 03

  Okay. He's gonna shake his up.

• 20:58Brian Keating?

  And he's gonna shake his up. Vigorous, vigorous. Get that going. There you go. Alright, now. Uh, one of you guys, both you guys to open on the count of three. You ready? And hold it up to the camera. I can't see yours, Dan. There we go. Get one, two, three.

• 21:15Brian Keating?

  There we go.

• 21:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:16Brian Keating?

  Okay, so.

• 21:17Speaker 03

  So Dan's poured out all over the floor. Mine did not, for the audio listeners.

• 21:21Brian Keating?

  That's right, that's right. I just want to see you guys mess up your studio.

• 21:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:24Brian Keating?

  No, no. Uh, so.

• 21:26Speaker 03

  Prank.

• 21:27Brian Keating?

  What inflation really predict? And if you had taken, you ever uh when you're a kid, put one of those in the, in the freezer? You ever froze a beer or something, guys?

• 21:34Speaker 03

  Yes, on act- we do it all the time here because uh people are gunning through them, so we'll put them in the freezer, forget it over the weekend, they come in, they're all exploded, yes.

• 21:42Brian Keating?

  That's right. So if you super cool alcohol, it won't actually get like su- super hard, right? It it could still stay liquid form. But then as soon as you open it, it'll be even worse than what happened with Dan's, right? It would just go, it goes everywhere, fricking explodes, right? And actually, the same thing can happen if you heat up water. If you ever take water in a perfectly pristine cup and you put it into the microwave, you could nuke it for like six minutes. It won't actually boil, but if you take it out, it'll explode. And it's actually extremely dangerous to do that, so I'm not advocating to do that.

• 22:10Speaker 03

  That happened to me. I did that. You're, you're right. And I couldn't figure out why that happened.

• 22:15Brian Keating?

  Yeah, so what happens is that you have this, what's called either supersaturated, or you're basically causing what's called a phase transition. So when you shook up the beer, or you shook up the seltzer rather, you're actually taking the carbon dioxide that's in there, and it has nowhere to go because you didn't open the can up. Now, when you open the can, the phase changes from liquid to gas, and it does so really, really quickly if you've shaken it up because there's more gas trying to dissolve in a finite, still the same amount-sized can, right? Still 12-ounce can. So when you do that, in the universe, what the theory behind inflation is that inflation was a field like the seltzer, except it's filling all of space and time. It was impregnated, filled with carbon dioxide, but instead of carbon dioxide, they call them quantum fluctuations.

• 23:00Brian Keating?

  And when you open it, when you release it, when the phase transition takes place, expansion is unavoidable. And actually, the expansion can take place faster than the speed of light. And when that happens faster than the speed of light, things that are farther away than the age of the universe times the speed of light are now, in a sense, closer to you, and they can actually impact you. And what would happen in the universe is that there'd be a local region of space that had a certain value of this quantum field, called the inflation field or inflaton. And then it would merge with another bubble, and then those bubbles would grow, and regions that had the kind of right properties to eventually create matter, energy, and so forth, later on, down the line, those merged together. And then there are very many tiny bubbles that you guys never saw in the seltzer can.

• 23:45Brian Keating?

  Same exact thing happens. Those are too small to merge. So some of those basically get blown away by the expanding liquid. And, yes, you can't make a perfect analogy, but that is sort of the... Now, what had to exist, right? You guys had to already have the seltzer on hand. So where was the inflation before the Big Bang, before the spark that ignited it? Well, that has to be postulated that it always existed. So in that sense, the steady state does kind of play a role, except it's not called the steady state. It's called the multiverse. The multiverse is the giant can of seltzer that exists everywhere, in all of space and all of time, for all time. And that's the precondition that has to exist.

• 24:27Brian Keating?

  And then, once you stipulate that occurs, then everything else that you described, Dan, can happen.

• 24:32Speaker 05

  Do we, yeah, and by the way, the same thing will happen if you put hot, like, fill up your thermos with hot water, like, super hot water, cover it, and then shake it up. It activates and it'll start producing steam, and when you take it off, you'll hear that pop or whatever.

• 24:45Brian Keating?

  Yeah.

• 24:46Speaker 05

  Same thing. Do we know what quantum fluctuations are, what is actually causing that yet? Like, I, like, it's part of, my, my, the only time I've ever heard that phrase is from Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Is that right?

• 24:57Brian Keating?

  Yeah, I mean, those are very allied concepts. So, what we think about as fundamental, we're, we're used to thinking of, like, particles as, you know, atoms and stuff like that. That's not really true, right? So, at the base level of, of the way that physics and quantum mechanics explains things, what we perceive as particles are what are called excitations. And they're excitations in what's called a quantum field. And so, light particles, photons that we see each other with, those are excitations in the photon field. Those are instantiations, particles of photons, packets of energy, if you will. And then, there's packets of electrons. Electrons can have, electrons have a, have a field as well, a quantum field. They can be created, they can be destroyed. There are certain conditions that, that need to occur.

• 25:40Brian Keating?

  You can't arbitrarily create a very extreme large amounts of energy in an arbitrarily small amount of time, for example. That's a Heisenberg uncertainty relation. You can't create them with arbitrary velocity and know exactly where they are. That's an uncertainty. So, yes, they're coming into and out of existence, and the Higgs boson is also a field, called the Higgs field. And so, the fundamental things, according to physicists, are fields. And so, the inflation field has existed for all time, just like the photon field exists right now in your room. There's some probability in, right in front of you, for two photons to come together, annihilate each other, and create, create a pair of electron and a positron, which is its antimatter cousin. And so, as long as you conserve certain quantities, like, energy is conserved, matter is not conserved, right?

• 26:25Brian Keating?

  I just gave you an example where something with no mass, photons, creates something with actual mass, like an electron. But, but, energy is always conserved, momentum is always conserved. Other things called spin and things like that are concerned. And so as long as you don't violate those conditions, yes, you can create essentially anything. And then if the universe had these conditions that it was filled with this field at early times, you could create a universe and basically a spontaneous, according to some colleagues, you basically create an anti-universe that travels back in time. And that those are, you know, really mind-boggling possibilities. But everyone agrees on this fact that the universe was much hotter and much denser when it was much, much younger. There's no evidence that refutes that.

• 27:08Brian Keating?

  Now, we can argue about how much denser, how much hotter, and when does that law of physics break down? But the laws of physics hold as Dan, it's not one, one over a thirty second, hundredth of a second. It's ten to the minus thirty-two seconds. In other words, a decimal point, thirty-two zeros, thirty-one zeros, and then a one. So this is an incredible accomplishment. And so that's another reason. I don't feel depressed at all. I mean, that's an amazing thing to say that physicists can predict what were the physical conditions like as early as a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second after the origin of the universe. Yes, I can't tell you exactly what happened at the origin of the universe any more than I can say, well, what did you look like before your parents met each other? But, but maybe with, I mean, I'm not ruling that out, right?

• 27:50Brian Keating?

  I mean, can you imagine a day when you could actually predict what did somebody look like before their parents even met each other? I mean, it's, it's not outside the laws of physics, so in principle, it could be possible.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, you had CRISPR babies, dude.

• 28:02Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, but I mean, like, certainly gene editing is a thing now. There's, I think there's better ways to do it in CRISPR now, actually. But what you're describing, I think, is quantum field theory, right? Which is kind of the new hotness. It used to be kind of the Big Bang Theory, General Relativity, and then it, string theory, M-theory was then the hot thing for a while, and now quantum field theory seems to be some attempt at unification, right?

• 28:25Brian Keating?

  I mean, quantum field theory has always been around. I think what maybe you're talking about, yeah, it's string theory. So quantum field theory is not a theory of everything that you mentioned before. Like Einstein died, you know, it's too bad because he could have been famous, right? You know, if he had just done that, he could have been a famous guy.

• 28:39Speaker 03

  Fucking loser. Yeah, loser. God damn it. That's the way, same way I look at Tim Cook and those guys. What a fucking loser, man.

• 28:47Brian Keating?

  Cousin, cousin, cousin marrying losers.

• 28:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, Steve Jobs, loser.

• 28:52Speaker 05

  Well, no, he's, Einstein gave his wife his Nobel Prize money so she would take the kids and leave so he could marry his first cousin.

• 29:01Speaker 03

  Really?

• 29:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 29:03Speaker 03

  Was she hotter?

• 29:03Speaker 05

  No, no. She looked like my grandma when she was like forty, actually.

• 29:07Speaker 03

  The one that I'll never be able to get over is Hawking, dude, leaving his wife in that wheelchair all fucked up. And he was just like, nope, I've got to have the nurse. And you're just like, Jesus Christ, man.

• 29:18Brian Keating?

  And you know what's crazy about that story, just aside? So he couldn't talk, right? And you're making the voice. So the voice was from his, you know, his computer programmer who designed the voice synthesizer so he could actually communicate with the world, was the ex-husband of the nurse that he married.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  No fucking way.

• 29:37Brian Keating?

  This guy is the ultimate cock. Yeah, yeah. So he got his wife to-

• 29:40Speaker 03

  The ultimate cock, dude.

• 29:44Brian Keating?

  So, yeah. But, yeah, no, quantum field theory is a well-understood, it's been, you know, the basis for the last, you know, fifty, sixty years of quantum field theory. Richard Feynman played a huge role to rack. It's basically just a different description of looking at the interactions between light and matter. So when quantum mechanics came about, it was really, at first, it was just a description of how an atom, say, behaves in a classical universe. Like, if you have an atom, and then originally people like Niels Bohr and every- they actually modeled the atom as a little, like, planetary system, right, with a nucleus instead of the sun, and then an electron going around. Now, we know that's totally wrong, but at least it gave very accurate answers for things like, you know,

• 30:27Brian Keating?

  the wavelength of light emitted by a hydrogen atom, the spectrum of light. But then later, it was realized, well, if you're going to talk about, say, how light behaves, you also have to treat the quantum mechanics of light, and not just the quantum mechanics of hydrogen. And so that was the merger of that. That's what quantum field theory really became.

• 30:45Speaker 05

  Isn't there something about electromagnetism that Faraday used to talk about? Like, I think it was kind of a breakthrough in the middle part of the nineteenth century where he described, like, instead of what we call-

• 30:57Brian Keating?

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• 31:21Speaker 07

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• 31:27Speaker 05

  Action at a Distance, which became Spooky Action at a Distance when, uh, with entanglement. But, um, it was like, instead of one thing bumping into another thing, there is some direct line between these two things and they're being affected at the same time, but not in the way that we perceive it, right? That's what the original idea of a field came from that, if I'm not mistaken.

• 31:49Brian Keating?

  Faraday was the one, that's right. Faraday came up with the, with the idea, the concept of a field. And he was very interesting because he wasn't, he really wasn't mathematically trained at all, but he had incredible physical intuition. I actually spoke at his, you know, institution, the Royal Institution, in the summer of 2023, and I got to like play with his actual experiments where he takes these magnets and then he has these iron filings, these little like, little grains of iron, and he would sprinkle them down and then glue down a piece of wax paper and you could see these magnetic lines of force that he called them. So yeah, you're right, he did come up with that. Um, and a little bit different than, the spooky action at a distance has to do with quantum entanglement, but, but this is actually classical, it's a classical field theory. But, uh, Faraday and then Maxwell later was responsible for the first attempts at unification.

• 32:34Brian Keating?

  So unification is a very strong principle in science, which says that we perceive these laws of nature being very different. Like at first glance, you don't really think of a magnet as having anything to do with, say, a battery, right? I mean, they're, they're, they're not, they don't seem to be really related. But Maxwell and Faraday also showed experimentally, Maxwell theoretically and Faraday experimentally, that actually you can perceive them as different manifestations depending on, of all things, the motion of an observer, right? So imagine you have a wire and it's carrying a current through it, and it's just a straight Piece of wire, you attach it to a battery on one side, ground on the other side. And you have a current flowing through it. Those are charges going through it, electrons in the case of um, what we normally think about as electricity.

• 33:18Brian Keating?

  And that current is, is provided. Now imagine you're moving alongside that wire exactly the same speed as the electrons are flowing. Well, they don't produce a current, right? They're stationary. So you see a bunch of of static charges, right? But to someone that's sitting at rest with respect to the wire, they see a current and every current produces a magnetic field via what's called Faraday's, you know, right-hand rule. So that means that there's a transformation between electric field and electric, um, and electromagnetic field, uh, magnetic field and electric field that is dependent on the velocity of the observer. And that made Maxwell uncomfortable. And so he came up with this idea of the ether. He said, "Well, actually, the only way to get waves and stuff to travel through it is to have some medium like water. We don't see just waves without water

• 34:01Brian Keating?

  or waves without sound, uh, air with, uh, sound without air. So how do you instantiate that?" Well, he said, "You have to have this medium called the ether." And later on, we got rid of that, thanks to experiments done at my alma mater in Cleveland called Case Western and other places that, that really were the foundation for why Einstein said, "No, actually, the one speed of light that everyone, the only one speed that everyone agrees upon is the speed of light. On that, they can't disagree." And then that led to the unification of electricity and magnetism as one force. And then physicists are greedy and they said, "Well, if we can do that for that, for this, these two seemingly disparate forces like electricity and magnetism, let's do it for all the freaking forces. Let's do it for the nuclear force. Let's do it for gravity."

• 34:42Brian Keating?

  And it actually worked for, uh, the nuclear forces, but it doesn't work for gravity. And that's, that's kind of the, the theory of everything, that people really want to see a unification to say that actually, guys, there's only one law of nature. It's not gravity, electricity, magnetism, nuclear force, and, uh, the two types of nuclear force. No, it's just one master force called the theory of everything. And so far, no one's been able to demonstrate a consistent way where that, how that can occur.

• 35:08Speaker 05

  Is there any reason to believe that should be a thing, to be honest? I mean, why, why, I mean, certainly, certainly, who knows? But like, is gravity, like the four forces are strong? Weak nuclear electromagnetism and gravity. Is there any reason to believe that gravity is going to have some relationship to electromagnetism? For example?

• 35:24Brian Keating?

  It's actually worse than that. No, it's very precise. I often point that out when I'm talking to, you know, very eminent, I've talked to 21 Nobel Prize winners on my podcast and, and yeah, I always say that there's no letter from God that says it has to be unified, right?

• 35:37Speaker 03

  No, but John Mayer did write the song about it, so.

• 35:40Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 35:40Speaker 03

  Gravity, like, and that's, I think, had a lot to do with.

• 35:44Speaker 05

  How did it go again?

• 35:45Speaker 03

  Gravity.

• 35:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, better the second time.

• 35:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, and you gotta really do the face there. And then he was, John Mayer was able to help with that, so.

• 35:54Speaker 05

  He's got a piece on it too.

• 35:56Brian Keating?

  Who might dispute, you know, a Nobel laureate like.

• 35:59Speaker 05

  Well, what's new in the science world right now? I know James Webb's up there snapping pictures. We're getting.

• 36:05Brian Keating?

  Yeah.

• 36:06Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, they're snapping dick pics of the dick pics of the universe.

• 36:09Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 36:10Speaker 05

  What I like to see are the old Hubble photographs of the deep field versus the new James Webb. It's just like, getting a new iPhone or some shit. Well, it's like going from iPhone four to the current one, I guess.

• 36:21Speaker 03

  It's all the same, dude. Fuck Steve Jobs. We're all like this. It's bullshit.

• 36:25Speaker 05

  No, it's an 8K camera.

• 36:26Speaker 03

  No, you want to do some real study, dude? I'll pay you. I'll pay you to do an experiment. Tell me why every time a new goddamn iPhone comes out, the last model completely shits the bed, dude, and then I've got to buy the new one.

• 36:36Brian Keating?

  I know.

• 36:37Speaker 03

  That's what I want to know, dude.

• 36:39Brian Keating?

  But, you know, it's for your kids. Well, my kids at least, they just love it. You know, it's like, oh, you don't want the iPhone 13, 14, Dad, you know?

• 36:46Speaker 03

  It's the same. It's the same goddamn thing from 10 years ago.

• 36:49Brian Keating?

  No, but it's not for him. He doesn't even have one.

• 36:51Speaker 03

  No, and I get it. But to Dan's point, the pictures we're getting right now, um, out of, out of, uh,

• 36:58Speaker 05

  James Webb.

• 36:58Speaker 03

  Jeb's webs are just mind altering. And like, you can take mushrooms and just stare at these all night. Uh, I know some people have argued back and forth on the internet of, well, hey, they're coloring these to make them show up more and everything else.

• 37:12Brian Keating?

  Oh, well, everything is colored, right? I mean, everything is, that's, that's fine. I mean, and, and every image that you see, and I'm sure your producers, you know, know this better than, than, you know, even I can explain it. But, but the point is you've got transistors, they can only be on or off, right? So what we have in our screens is. We have, we have put, you know, three transistors in each pixel and then we put a color filter over each one, red, green and blue. And then they can just amp up the, the amount of each one that goes into a 10 bit color. You can have 10 different color, uh, to, to the 10th. A thousand 24 different levels of color. No, so that's, that's all, that's totally kosher. There's, there's nothing, you know, they're not like playing games or like, oh, actually they're hiding. No, every image, your cameras right now, your monitor, they, they all do that. Cause as I said, the, the transistors can only be on or off.

• 37:55Speaker 05

  That's how a camera works.

• 37:57Speaker 03

  No, totally. And look, the images are beautiful and I think what I love about what we're seeing and the colorization and everything else is very similar to what you're doing in your space right now. Where you're making it easy for everybody else to understand. Therefore, we're not just looking at these images. That look like fucking Braille in the distance that we've got to run our hands over and trying to figure out what planets those are. You're coloring them, you're making them easier for everybody else. Uh, same with you and your podcast. Like you're able to at least dumb it down for the idiots like me and not the smarties. Like, like this fag next to me. So, um, but that's the thing is like, you, you make it accessible for everybody else. And that's what I love about the images we're seeing that are coming in.

• 38:37Brian Keating?

  I think like, you know, when people, uh, don't do that, I say you're like, you're basically immoral. Like a scientist, every scientist is paid by the public. And, you know, I'm not going to go off on, you know, some Obama tangent or you didn't build that, but, but the point is like, I teach at a public university. I went to public high schools and, and elementary school. You know, I, I, I could not be assigned, nobody could be a scientist without actually having public support. And then when it's like, you know, if you were to ask me something and I, and I said to you, oh, you can't understand that without the training that I have and blah, blah, blah. It'd be like, you go to your boss, if you work at a, you know, you work in an office and you're just like, your boss says, well, what are you up to this week? What did you do this week?

• 39:14Brian Keating?

  And you're like, oh, you can't understand it. Like you'd be shit canned immediately. And I think scientists tend to do that because we have this exalted opinion of how important. What we do is even though we can't actually put our name, our, you know, our finger on it. Like you said earlier, I can't, you know, to say that like every day I have to justify my existence or I'll have an existential crisis. I don't have that problem, but a lot of what scientists do is. Very incremental, therefore it's not that significant. It's important, but it's not that significant, right? Like, no scientist is curing cancer every day, right? We'd have a billion cures for cancer. We don't have that. It's incremental. And so, sometimes we have to justify what we do and say, "Well, you can't understand it's very sophisticated. I had to go to graduate school and undergrad for 10 years to get to where I'm at, so how

• 39:57Brian Keating?

  can I possibly explain it to you?" And I actually, you know, get mad at my colleagues who do that. And that's part of the reason I started my YouTube channel, to explain things in a fun way that I enjoy it. I kinda really have, you know, a challenge to explain it to people. The other day, I did a video. I didn't get, like, I went on Andrew Huberman's podcast, you may have heard of him. Uh, he's another podcaster.

• 40:17Speaker 03

  Less than us, lesser known than us, yes.

• 40:21Brian Keating?

  He's the Wes Coke version of the drinking bro.

• 40:23Speaker 03

  Sure, but lesser known, lesser known, absolutely.

• 40:26Brian Keating?

  That guy's like an anti-drinking bro. That guy will not drink alcohol, man. I'm sorry. I tried to get him to partake when I was up with him. But, um, you know, we did this whole thing and it was about, um, uh, it was about the human eye and perception. You know, he's a, he's a PhD researcher. He's an expert in the human eye and physiology and getting sunlight exposure. And so afterwards, he, he made like a little mistake in, in some of the reasoning that he had for something called the green flash. I don't know if you guys ever been on a boat or out in the ocean, um, you see the sunset and you see there's something called the green flash. The sun turns briefly green. And he suspected, well, it's, it must be like a physiological effect. And I said, "No, it's actually an atmospheric optical effect." And, you know, so I made this video and I was pretty happy about it.

• 41:09Brian Keating?

  I had a lot of, you know, green screen, um, and I had all these animations and graphics. And like, it got like 2,000 or 3,000 views. It wasn't like that great. I put a lot of energy into it. And I was like, "Shit, this sucks," you know, like, I put all this time into it. I even have a guest appearance from Andrew Huberman, you know, what the hell? And then like, a couple of days later, I come downstairs and one of my kids is watching YouTube and I'm like, "Oh, what's he watching?" And he's watching like my video. And I'm like, "Wow, that's pretty good." Like, he's like, "Wow, that was a really good video, dad." And he is like 10, 11-year-old kid. And I just thought, wow, like, you know, it's fun to explain stuff to a way that like an 11 year old can understand. I never talked to him about it. And I'm like, well, the scientists

• 41:51Brian Keating?

  that don't do that, that feel like they're above it, um, to me, they're missing out on, you know, one of the responsibilities of them, of the moral obligations of what it means to be a scientist. I mean, I don't pay you guys, right? And like, I might buy your, your seltzer or whatever, but I don't pay you, but like, you pay your taxes, I assume. And, uh, and that pays part of my salary.

• 42:11Speaker 03

  Try not to.

• 42:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, we try hard.

• 42:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, we try not to in Texas. Sorry. Uh, property taxes are brutal here, man.

• 42:17Speaker 05

  If all, if all of my tax dollars went to, uh, scientific discovery, then I would pay them.

• 42:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. And my, my.

• 42:23Speaker 05

  And I'm not saying I don't.

• 42:25Speaker 03

  My science, exactly. I'm saying our CPAs figure out a way not to, but.

• 42:29Brian Keating?

  That is doing a lot of work, Dan.

• 42:30Speaker 03

  But if I was funding things, I would fund, you know, why Florida men, uh, are addicted to meth, like things like that. Like what's that magnetism there about a bag of meth and a Florida man? How do they come together? That's what I would fund scientifically.

• 42:42Speaker 05

  Einstein said, if you can't explain something simply, you don't understand it enough, I think. And to me, it's always like, the stuff that I'm expert at, it's always been, we call it, in the military, we call it train the trainer, right? Like certain, part of it is the, um, efficiency of sending, sending one senior level or mid-level person to go learn a skill and then come back and teach it to everybody else. But I think the bigger, uh, use of that is that the trainer person becomes an absolute expert in it by hearing from people that know more about it than them, and then telling people who know less about it, right? That there's something about that process that makes you quite a bit better at understanding what you're doing. And I think that's why I was talking to, um, one of my, uh, Navy SEAL friends about this yesterday, actually. It's really important that you have a mentor and

• 43:25Speaker 05

  it's really important that you, it's at the point that you feel confident, find somebody to mentor as well in your life, regardless of what, if you're in production in Hollywood or you're a fucking.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  Kids.

• 43:34Speaker 05

  Baseball player, whatever it is. It doesn't matter. Like whatever you're in, you need to have that process. I think it's super important.

• 43:40Speaker 03

  I do too. And, uh, and to, and to that point, um, I want you to explain, uh, cause I know you're, you're busy and you gotta teach and do all the, the, the scientist bullshit. Um, you know. Mr. Fancy Jeans.

• 43:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, are you funded by USAID, Brian?

• 43:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, because if it is, that funding is going to be cut, bro, probably by the end of this show. But can you, for the dummies out there like myself, can you explain what we're seeing UAP wise? As far as UFOs and drones and all that other stuff? We got a DM from a listener, I think we read it the other day live on air about drones in Ohio. That nobody's reporting on. He's, he sent us images and videos and then the drones in New Jersey and all this other stuff. What are we actually seeing and what's going on out there and why isn't the government saying anything? Trump said he would before he got into office. Now he's in office.

• 44:28Speaker 05

  He already did.

• 44:29Speaker 03

  He did. What did he say?

• 44:30Speaker 05

  Pam Bondi said that they were government drones.

• 44:33Speaker 03

  They were?

• 44:33Speaker 05

  Yeah. So like, like I told you the whole time.

• 44:36Speaker 03

  I understand that, but can you confirm that? Because you're the scientist, Pam Bondi's not. She's just kind of hot.

• 44:41Brian Keating?

  I'm not, I'm not only, yeah, right. I'm not only a scientist, but, but I'm also a pilot. And, and so some of them are just obvious. I mean, they have like the recognition lights or the red on the, on the right wing, et cetera, the green.

• 44:52Speaker 05

  And then when you look at it from a distance in the dark, it looks like five different craft, like no, no, no, no, no. Those are lights. Have you ever seen a fucking airplane before?

• 45:00Speaker 03

  But I've never seen an alien dude, so.

• 45:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, but an airplane, if you look at the front face of an airplane, it's coming right for you, but it's nighttime and all you can see are four or five red lights on the bottom. It's going to look like four different headlights.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, I get it. But I mean, why not, why not tell everybody this?

• 45:16Speaker 05

  Because Biden was asleep.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  I understand that, but then you have these Senate hearings where, you know, they're talking about liquid fucking animals or aliens that they've scooped up in other countries. We've got multiple crashes here. We've got the equipment somewhere. What do we believe and what do you know?

• 45:32Brian Keating?

  I mean, you notice like one thing, again, I don't have any special knowledge about the drone situation, but I do remember one thing, which is that there wasn't one single flight into say Newark, New Jersey, where most of the activity was. There wasn't one single fight that was canceled.

• 45:45Speaker 05

  Or delayed. Well.

• 45:46Brian Keating?

  Or delayed. Yeah.

• 45:47Speaker 05

  Not, not because of that anyways.

• 45:49Brian Keating?

  Right, exactly. So there's, the only way that can happen is if the FAA knows about it. There are things called temporary flight restrictions and they could put, you know, basically they can lock down any airspace that they want and they can actually push these things off the coast and move them away. And most of the, you know, the confirmed or the claimed to be confirmed, you know, sightings of UAPs, Tic Tacs, or whatever, I talked to this guy Ryan Graves a year or so ago, um, with one of his

• 46:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know Ryan Graves, yeah, yeah.

• 46:16Brian Keating?

  Yeah, so, so I actually had on his, you know, one of the, one of his buddies from the same squadron, who's a friend of mine who lives here in San Diego, Ariel Kleinerman, um, who is also, uh, you know, has a, you know, undergraduate degree in physics from Princeton. And they're

• 46:59Brian Keating?

  We're talking about, you know, how these things, they only, they only seem to occur in what are called military restricted zones, warning zones. So you see those on aeronautical charts. You can buy these charts from the, you know, from a pilot store for, you know, five bucks. It'll show you exactly where these things are all spotted. Now, that doesn't prove or disprove anything, but, but the fact that, you know, these things didn't seem to impact commercial aviation, they're spotted primarily around military installation. I believe that there's probably tons of shit, like Dan, they probably like, I mean, I'm, my brother-in-law is a, is a recon, uh, you know, recon Marine. He told me he was waterboarded something like 17 times. And he said like, and he's a big frickin' tough guy, you guys would get along great. Uh, shout out to Jim. But the, but the point is like, he didn't

• 47:43Brian Keating?

  like, he, he, he would say things like, "They do stuff to us all the time." And the stuff that they do to us, we don't tell you civilians about because you're gonna start complaining because you acted the way that you would act, Brian Keating, as a, as a cushy professor at a, at a, at a university. And you'd say, "Well, I wouldn't want to be waterboarded, so I don't want to..."

• 47:59Brian Keating?

  My brother in law to be but like he fricking you know he was like I don't get off on it but he was like this is part of like what defines my identity and like no I wouldn't I didn't consider it torture I don't know how you feel Dan but but the point is they did they do shit to you guys they test stuff all the time they they do stuff to to test how loyal you are Dan all the time and I wouldn't put a pat any of the shit past the government so the first explanation shouldn't be the least probable one which is that interdimensional beings who happen to be about the same size as us have traveled across the greatest expanse in the human imagination bringing new laws of physics and then magically gets cited by by you know Uncle Tony with his with his you know uh DGI drone and and we're supposed to all of a sudden say we demand you know that Trump uh released the the uh alien files

• 48:46Speaker 05

  This is what I said for years that any civilization capable of making it here in the first place would without without any doubt be capable of being here without us knowing it.

• 48:57Brian Keating?

  Or or they wouldn't have bodies or they wouldn't have bodies.

• 49:00Speaker 05

  Even if it was even if even to get a drone here even to get a drone here the technology would have to be so advanced that something like stealth wouldn't even be a problem.

• 49:09Brian Keating?

  Right and it and it isn't and according to the testimony on the hill a couple of months ago which you know I'm sure you saw we all saw they're saying they're going past what Mach 10 Mach 14.

• 49:20Speaker 05

  Uh yeah well well beyond I think I think they were up in the 2200 G range for some of these now some of this stuff.

• 49:27Brian Keating?

  Liquid that's able to shape shifts.

• 49:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, some of the some of the.

• 49:30Brian Keating?

  Terminator two.

• 49:31Speaker 05

  Some of the speeds they were calculating were due to parallax and stuff like that it wasn't real right so they think like it parallax is if my camera is moving this way and the object is moving this way there's an exponential effect on my ability to measure its speed it's not real right that's you most of those UFO videos it's parallax all of them actually the ones that are moving super fast it's always parallax.

• 49:51Brian Keating?

  Why were they saying on the hill Brian that these were definitely UAPs we know the government has the wreckage and.

• 49:57Speaker 05

  UAP doesn't mean alien.

• 49:59Brian Keating?

  Who is we, by the way? I mean, you got talking about like Lou Elizondo or guys like David Rush? I mean, these guys, I mean, in terms of like credibility, you know, they're not like necessarily free. I mean, I love this fact, Dan, that people will always say things like, "The government lies to us all the time." So let's, let's listen to the guys that are paid for by the government. Like, I mean, you were a government employee just as much as I was at that time and say like, "Oh, these people have no other incentive." I mean, excuse me, Lou Elizondo has been on, you know, my wife asked me about him. I'm like, "She doesn't know anything about this stuff." She's like, "Oh, he was on Smartless podcast." I'm like, "These guys, there's a huge incentive, right?" And our another one is, you know, these guys have been like probed and these guys saw alien biological, you know, samples. And they never say exactly what it is.

• 50:44Brian Keating?

  But my favorite is when they actually say that this thing is defying the laws of physics. And they have, you know, probably not as good a comprehension of physics as Dan does, you know, let alone as I do. And, and so why are we listening to them about physics? Like, I don't listen to me about being a military F-18 pilot, because I'm not, right? I believe you should listen to people like that. But, um, but that doesn't mean that they're never wrong. It doesn't mean that we should listen to them about the effects of physics. That's called authority bias, and that's called like the, the halo effect. Just because Dan was, you know, in the military, doesn't mean he knows everything about what every branch of the military has ever done in its entire history. And so I would say there's a huge incentive for people to have their own narratives.

• 51:26Brian Keating?

  And none of the people I've talked to, A, seem to be as credible. I've read Lou's book. They sent it to me. He was supposed to come on my podcast. Never did. I don't know why.

• 51:35Speaker 03

  So is Lou full of shit?

• 51:38Brian Keating?

  Um, some, there's, there's some glaring errors in his book. There's a lot of inaccuracies. There's testimonial things that he said that he was head of this thing and that thing. There's a guy, Steven Greenstreet, on, on Twitter is really good at kind of debunking a lot of the claims that Lou has made. Um, and there's, as I said, there's errors in his book, just basic physics errors. Uh, that I would love to talk to him about. I would give him a fair hearing. I'm not gonna like throw him under the bus, but for some reason, his people or him decided not to come on after agreeing to, to send me the material and come on. And then last thing I'll say is I've had on people from the government. Steven Kirkpatrick and people from NASA that led these programs to actually come to an example, to come to a conclusion because guys, don't you think that me or Michio Kaku

• 52:22Brian Keating?

  or you know, we'd be the most interested to know about this physics and technology that must have existed, you know, in a couple centuries ago in these alien civilizations for them to get here now. That means we could shortcut 500 years of progress on the human, uh, of the human species. We want this to be true more than anybody, but that's why you have to be very skeptical as well.

• 52:43Speaker 03

  Okay. Cause Michael Schellenberger also posted 214 pages of testimony as well in that, that subcommittee hearing. Schellenberger's a pretty sensible dude.

• 52:54Brian Keating?

  I think he was, I think he was just reporting on what he saw.

• 52:57Speaker 05

  He was. Yeah. He's, he's a sensible dude and there's, um, we have that, we have a UAP recovery team that is part of our government. Right. I know that for a fact. That's a thing. The, the way we found it out was, uh, through, um, injury reports, people filing workers compensation claims and disability claims, listing their position as UAP recovery. So that's a thing. It doesn't mean it's alien though, right? So like if, if we're testing out some new propulsion tech, that's maybe radiological or something, and then you go fucking, uh, you're part of that recovery team and you touch exposed radiological material. Well, guess what, bud? You're going to fucking die.

• 53:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:35Speaker 05

  That's how it works. You know what I mean? It's a dangerous job. It doesn't mean that it's alien necessarily. Now maybe we find some alien shit at some point, but the burden of proof is going to be on the people making that claim, not everybody else, which is how they like to frame the argument. It's like, well, what do you, how do you explain this? Like, I don't know, but you're, you're making, you're coming to an explanation that solved, does not solve the problem at all. There's no data for your, and for your conclusion.

• 54:00Brian Keating?

  Right. I mean, I had a podcast, this woman, Amber Rose, is a black lady who's like, I think she dated Kanye and.

• 54:06Speaker 03

  Sure did. Yeah. I know who Amber Rose is. Okay.

• 54:08Brian Keating?

  Yeah. So she, uh, she had me on and she was saying, oh, I had on this air force guy and he claims, you know, a hundred percent. He was like, you know, rectally probed and did this and that. I'm like, well, okay. Let's just say that's, that's one possibility. But another possibility is like, this guy was an ex alcoholic or whatever, and maybe his buddies were pranking him and maybe his buddies are into some strange crap. And they did it, right? I was like, which is more likely interdimensional beings? You know, I need some sample from some guy in the 1970s. Um, and then did this to him and he just remembered it now in 2024 or five. Or his buddies got him totally plastered and did some stuff.

• 54:48Speaker 05

  To his butthole, yeah.

• 54:50Speaker 03

  To his rectally.

• 54:51Speaker 05

  To his butthole.

• 54:51Speaker 03

  Rectally. Did Amber, when Amber Rose is on, did she list her position as reverse cowgirl? Like, what was her position? Because let's face it, she's a fucking OnlyFans model. So what, what are we doing here as far as like? Oh, I'm gonna listen to her on her thoughts on fucking space and aliens.

• 55:06Brian Keating?

  I just, I, yeah, I was on her show. She wrote me and then she was like, oh, I just had a Neil grass Tyson. So I, I let Neil do the vetting for me.

• 55:15Speaker 03

  I get it, Brian. Are you single? You're married?

• 55:18Brian Keating?

  I'm married.

• 55:19Speaker 03

  Oh, boy. I know, I know. But when you're on a show like that and you look at those naturals, you're like, ah, damn.

• 55:24Speaker 05

  Those are, those are natural in the same way that I'm black.

• 55:26Speaker 03

  Ah, have you seen her nude? Bob pulled some nudes.

• 55:29Speaker 05

  Not one part of her body is natural.

• 55:30Brian Keating?

  Those are the UAPs we really should be investigating.

• 55:33Speaker 03

  I know, because by the way, if the aliens did land and they all look like Amber Rose. My God.

• 55:38Speaker 05

  We'd be in trouble.

• 55:39Speaker 03

  Bravo.

• 55:40Brian Keating?

  Yeah, she got the bald head.

• 55:41Speaker 03

  I would, yes. Come on in the house. Come on in the house. I wouldn't let the dirty Guatemalans in, but I let the Amber Roses from outer space in. What, Brian? It's immigration. Okay, we're doing stuff about it. We're gonna fix it. Uh, I know you've got to go do important stuff around the world. Uh, tell everybody your podcast and where they can find you. We always love having you on the show and, uh, and your show is awesome. Like I mentioned earlier, I, I love the way you explain everything at a normal level for everybody. So you don't have to be into physics, uh, or be, you know, some guy whose IQ is off the charts. You can watch your show and enjoy it and kind of get the gist of everything that's going on in the world.

• 56:21Brian Keating?

  Yeah, I love, I love talking about, uh, science and sharing the love of it. As I said, I think it's my moral obligation as a citizen and whatever to do, uh, to do that for people out there. So yeah, briankeating.com is my website. Uh, I send out meteorites to lucky people once, uh, once about, Dan, did you get my meteorite?

• 56:38Speaker 05

  I did, yes. Thank you. I got two, actually.

• 56:40Speaker 03

  Oh, did you? Cool. Where's mine, Brian? I didn't get a meteorite.

• 56:45Brian Keating?

  It's coming. Look up tonight. Look up tonight. You'll see it. It's coming right for you.

• 56:49Speaker 03

  Okay, cool. You're gonna drop that down out of the sky for you? You sent him to and I got nothing?

• 56:53Brian Keating?

  Mock 12 coming.

• 56:55Speaker 03

  God damn it, Brian. You're lucky today that I didn't go harder on that immigration joke. Um, look, I, in all sincerity, I love you. We had you on, uh, quite a number of years ago.

• 57:05Brian Keating?

  Yeah.

• 57:05Speaker 03

  To see your success and everything that's happened and on Rogan and everything else, uh, and your YouTube channel, man. It's been awesome to watch. You're one of the, the, the true good guys who deserves all this shit. So thank you for being here. We greatly appreciate it. Hopefully we didn't fuck up your day. Okay?

• 57:20Brian Keating?

  No, no, I was looking forward to it all day. Have a great weekend. I hope you enjoy the Super Bowl and, uh, yeah, just have a blast, guys. I love following your stuff too. It's really fun to watch you on, on, uh, all the, all the Instagrams and all the inter tubes.

• 57:33Speaker 03

  Thanks, buddy. We appreciate it. Take care, buddy.