Pod Insights Infamous America FRANK LUCAS Ep. 5 | “Mr. Untouchable” About this episode In 1975, the law finally takes down Frank Lucas. Frank faces decades in prison, and he makes a decision to work with New Jersey prosecutor Richie Roberts to reduce his sentence. When Frank returns to Harlem, his empire is in ruins, his family is scattered, and his prospects for the future are bleak. The early 1980s are a pale reflection of Frank’s heyday in the early 1970s.
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0:57 Speaker 02 January 28, 1975, was a cold winter evening in Teaneck, New Jersey. At the home of Frank Lucas, Frank and his family were going about their evening with no immediate concerns. Frank must have been concerned in general because any drug trafficker in New York at that time had to have been concerned. The DEA and the NYPD had been on a roll for the past three years. They had arrested many of the top dealers or caused them to flee into exile. Four months earlier, the agencies started going after Frank's operation. The DEA arrested one of Frank's heroin suppliers from Thailand in September 1974. They arrested the other on January 19, 1975,
1:42 Speaker 02 10 days before they surrounded Frank's house. Frank must have known his time was coming. He just didn't know when. The when was January 28. 20 officers from a joint DEA-NYPD task force descended on Frank's house in Teaneck. They pounded on the door and demanded entry. Inside, they found Frank's son and daughter and quickly led them out of the house. Agents swarmed the house and confronted Frank and his wife Julie. In a rage, Julie started throwing bags of money out of one of the windows. The agents arrested her for obstruction of justice. They arrested Frank for conspiracy to distribute heroin. When Frank and Julie were booked, the real search began.
2:31 Speaker 02 The house was modest on the outside, but Frank had spent a lot of money on upgrades. He added several extensions, a pool table, and a bar. The interior matched the gaudy persona that Frank liked to show on the streets. In Frank's bedroom, one of the agents found a closet that was full of at least 200 custom-made pairs of shoes and tailored suits of every color. Also stashed in there, and in almost every other room, were bags of cash in small amounts, a few tens and twenties, maybe the occasional hundred. According to Frank, he never kept large amounts of money in the house for longer than a night, and that night, he had just brought back $8 million that he was going to pass off to his associates the following day.
3:16 Speaker 02 When the task force held its press conference after the raid, agents announced they had seized half a million dollars in cash. According to Frank and his lawyer, the rest, $7.5 million, must have been stolen by the task force. Was there really $8 million in the house? Who knows? Was it possible that the NYPD officers, at the very least, took some of the money that night? Sure. The 1970s was a time of headline-grabbing corruption and scandal in the New York Police Department. Did they take money that night? Again, who knows? For Frank, it didn't really matter if the money went into an evidence locker or into the pockets of the officers. It was gone.
3:59 Speaker 02 The reckoning had arrived, and Frank and his crew were going to face a hell of a storm. And, incidentally, that storm would also engulf the NYPD.
4:24 Speaker 02 From Black Barrel Media, this is Infamous America. I'm your host, Chris Wimmer, and this season, we're telling the story of Frank Lucas, one of the godfathers of crime in Harlem, New York, the man whose life was the inspiration for the film American Gangster. This is episode 5, Mr. Untouchable.
4:49 Speaker 02 Frank Lucas was one of nineteen defendants who were charged with conspiracy to transport millions of dollars worth of narcotics into New York. Initially, Frank's operation was able to continue without him, and he was fairly confident in his case. Many of the nineteen defendants were mafia guys whom Frank claimed he'd never met. The prosecutors were gonna have to work extra hard if they were gonna prove that Frank was tied directly to that conspiracy, because Frank had worked hard to keep the mafia out of his heroin business. But five months later, Frank's operation took another direct hit. At midnight on May 23, 1975, Frank's younger brother Vernon Lee Lucas, nicknamed Shorty,
5:33 Speaker 02 entered a building in New Jersey to buy and cut a kilo of heroin with a handful of associates. The police were watching the building. Four hours later, when Shorty and the others left, the cops tailed one of the associates, a guy named Eddie James, to his apartment. The cops reportedly caught Eddie James with millions of dollars worth of heroin. Detectives turned Eddie into an informant, and used his information to raid Shorty's house. Officers rounded up forty-seven people, including Shorty and his wife. That was a solid win, but Essex County, New Jersey prosecutor Richie Roberts wanted more. He wanted to tie Frank Lucas and his brothers and the entire network together into one big conspiracy case.
6:18 Speaker 02 As yet, neither Roberts nor the investigators had any physical evidence that connected Frank to the actions of his brothers.
6:30 Speaker 02 While Roberts worked to build the New Jersey case against Shorty, Frank Lucas went to trial in New York. His earlier confidence was misplaced. In January of 1976, he was found guilty of heroin distribution and sentenced to forty years in prison. It didn't matter that Frank claimed he never worked with the mafia. The DEA had been investigating the Gambino crime family for three months prior to Frank's arrest. Members of the Gambino family said they worked with Frank, and their statements outweighed Frank's claims. Frank went to prison, where he said he maintained a lifestyle similar to that of Lucky Luciano and Bumpy Johnson when they were in prison together in upstate New York in the 1940s.
7:15 Speaker 02 Frank described money pouring into the place, bribing guards, wardens, and cooks. He said he had steaks shipped in by his contacts on the outside, and his meals served directly in his room. He said he continued to run his businesses unimpeded. He used coded words and phrases to talk about heroin and deals that were in the works. And at that point, it's a bit of a mystery as to how Frank was sourcing his heroin. His contacts in Thailand had been arrested, and if he really had been working with the Gambino family after his Thailand pipeline fell apart, many of those guys had been arrested too. But ultimately, that didn't mean much. As long as there was an appetite for the drug, there would always be drug smugglers.
7:59 Speaker 02 With the right connections, they weren't hard to find. So Frank's gang, the Country Boys, was still active, which meant the task force kept working. On April 3rd, 1976, Frank's brother Larry Lucas, who ran his heroin operation in the Bronx, was out for a drive. Suddenly, police sirens blared around him and several squad cars swerved in front of his car at an intersection. Officers arrested him, searched the car, and found $3,500 in cash. Around the same time, police struck one of the places where he processed heroin. They seized four loaded revolvers and around $10,000 worth of drugs.
8:41 Speaker 02 Larry Lucas's case was a New York case, but it was still ammunition for the wider investigation of Richie Roberts in New Jersey. It didn't take a genius to understand that Frank Lucas was the kingpin, and his brothers were working for the operation that he built. The key was proving it. To that end, Richie Roberts decided he needed to see the king. We do mass amounts of online research for our podcasts, and often that leads us to some pretty shady corners of the internet. That experience can be madening, but that's why I use Surfshark VPN. A VPN like Surfshark creates a secure, encrypted tunnel for your internet traffic, so random
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11:12 Speaker 02 In late 1976, Essex County Prosecutor Richie Roberts met Frank Lucas for the first time. Roberts was prosecuting Frank's brother Shorty and trying to build a larger conspiracy case against the entire Lucas family. But Lucas family members were not the only ones caught in the dragnet. It was a long shot, but Roberts tried to get Frank to testify against some of the other defendants. Not surprisingly, Frank refused. At the time, Roberts' case was fairly thin. He only had the testimony of Eddie James, the associate of Shorty Lucas. He was pretty sure that Frank was supplying his brother Shorty with heroin, and that all of the brothers worked for Frank.
11:54 Speaker 02 But there was very little hard evidence to prove that the men were connected in that way. Roberts took his chances and went to trial. There were thirty-four defendants in the conspiracy case, nine of whom were members of the Lucas family, including Frank as the ringleader. Roberts was told over and over again that taking the case to trial was a risk, since they only had James to testify from the inside of the conspiracy. But then Frank gave the prosecutors an unexpected gift in the days leading up to the trial.
12:29 Speaker 02 Frank's lawyer, Larry Dublin, reached out to every potential witness, including Eddie James. Richie Roberts suspected that Frank pushed his lawyer to try to intimidate everyone out of testifying, which made Frank look like the influential kingpin that he was. By the time they reached the courtroom, there was no shortage of people who came forward to testify against Frank's crew and to put them out of business for good. Eddie James testified about the inner workings of the organization, but the star witness for the prosecution turned out to be a woman who had lost her daughter to heroin abuse. The mother described finding her daughter with a needle in her arm and a packet of blue magic heroin lying nearby.
13:12 Speaker 02 Everyone was moved by the woman's testimony, including Frank. At that moment, he knew his crew was going down. When the judge asked the defense team if they had any questions for the woman, they said no. They just wanted her off the stand as fast as possible. When the proceedings finished in late November 1976, they resulted in a mixed bag. Of the thirty-four defendants, two had their charges dropped. Twenty-three ended up pleading guilty. Four were acquitted by the jury, and five were found guilty. The two big names among the guilty were Frank and Shorty Lucas. Shorty received a prison sentence of thirty to thirty-seven years, plus a fine of eighty-five thousand dollars.
13:56 Speaker 02 Frank received a prison sentence of twenty-five to thirty years, plus a fine of twenty-five thousand dollars. Frank's new sentence would be served after his forty-year sentence from the New York trial. Frank Lucas was forty-six years old, and he was facing up to seventy years in prison. Since he was unlikely to live to one hundred fifteen years old, he was understandably worried that he would spend the rest of his life in a cell and die in prison. Maybe Frank could win an appeal at some point. Maybe he could earn parole after who knew how many years. But maybe not. Maybe decades would pass and he would grow old and infirmed in a New York or New Jersey prison. With the weight of those thoughts on his mind,
14:39 Speaker 02 Frank started looking at Richie Roberts with fresh eyes. Maybe there was a deal to be done after all. Frank started asking around about the Essex County prosecutor and started thinking about the kind of deal that might work. While he did, he received news that there might be fewer reasons to keep his mouth shut. He was thinking about talking in a much different way than the unexpected update he was about to receive. But it might be one more reason to do everything he could to get himself out of prison.
15:13 Speaker 02 Sometime in the first half of nineteen seventy-seven, after Frank Lucas had been in prison for about a year, he received a surprise visitor. It was Thelma, the wife of Nicky Barnes. Nicky Barnes was a fellow drug dealer from Harlem, and Frank and Nicky hated each other. Despite their animosity, Nicky had asked Frank to join forces with the other kingpins in the area to form a mafia-style group that Nicky called the Council. That had been three years ago, right before everything started to fall apart for Frank. For the past three years, Nicky had been running the Council. Now, Thelma showed up out of nowhere to tell Frank that the New York Times had reached out to Nicky and wanted to do a story about him
15:55 Speaker 02 for their special Sunday section, the New York Times Magazine. Frank urged Thelma to persuade her husband to say no. To be spotlighted by one of the biggest newspapers in the world was a profoundly stupid thing to do for a gangster. But Nicky did it anyway. On June 5th, 1977, the Sunday edition of the New York Times included the New York Times Magazine's special publication. On the cover of the magazine was a photo of Nicky Barnes in a gray business suit and a red tie. The title was "Mr. Untouchable", with the subtitle "This is Nicky Barnes. The police say he may be Harlem's biggest drug dealer, but can they prove it?"
16:36 Speaker 02 When Frank Lucas received the paper in his cell, he threw it up in the air in frustration. The article reportedly offended President Jimmy Carter so much that he ordered law enforcement to target Nicky Barnes specifically. While Nicky's world was about to fall apart like Frank's had over the past three years, Frank decided he was ready to try to change his situation. Frank started thinking about the NYPD cop, Robert Lucci, whom Frank had been paying to stay off his case. And Lucci wasn't alone, not by a long shot. In 1970, NYPD Detective Frank Serpico had blown the lid off of years of corruption in the department.
17:19 Speaker 02 His story had been turned into a book and then a movie. Six years after the scandal rocked the department, there was still plenty of corruption for Frank to talk about, starting with the NYPD cop, Robert Lucci, who had been blackmailing Frank for $10,000 per month. Frank had asked around about Richie Roberts and learned that Roberts had a reputation as a straight arrow, going back to his days as a detective. Frank heard a story that Roberts once found a million dollars in cash during a drug bust. Instead of taking a cut, Roberts turned it in. Frank found the story strangely endearing. He had been so aggravated by dirty cops over the years, which was wildly ironic, that
18:01 Speaker 02 he respected a man who had such a strong sense of integrity. The next time Richie Roberts visited Frank, Frank eagerly awaited a discussion. The first topic was instantly intriguing. Roberts said he knew all about NYPD Officer Robert Lucci and the other cops. It turned out that Lucci was not just a bold and aggressive patrolman, he was a member of SIU, the Special Investigations Unit. It was an open secret that the unit was rife with corrupt officers.
18:32 Speaker 02 Roberts wanted Frank to provide information about his dealings with Lucci and others. In return, Roberts might be able to get Frank's sentence reduced. Frank accepted the deal, and Roberts moved Frank to a safe house in Caldwell, New Jersey. Over the course of several weeks, Frank talked about lots of things, though as always, the nature of those things differed depending on who was asked. According to Frank, he only ratted out crooked cops, never dealers. In the words of Richie Roberts, Frank gave up "every cop he ever smiled at." But dealers on the street said Frank ratted out everyone. He said whatever he had to say to get himself out of prison. And while Frank seemed to be providing fascinating information,
19:17 Speaker 02 he was still a gangster, and he was gonna have fun along the way. One day, Richie Roberts was in the neighborhood of the safe house, and he decided to swing by. Right away, he could tell something was up because there was no guard at the door. When he entered, he heard music coming from the second floor. He went upstairs and found Frank with a lobster dinner spread out before him, and a woman sitting across from him. The woman was Billie Mays, the stepdaughter of baseball legend Willie Mays. Apparently, she and Frank had an on-again, off-again relationship. The guard who was supposed to be at the door stood off to the side, as if nothing was wrong with the picture. Roberts exploded. He grabbed the lobster and threw it across the room.
20:01 Speaker 02 If anyone found out about the scene, Frank's testimony would be worthless. Fortunately, Roberts discreetly removed Billie Mays from the house, and no one learned of the escapade until years later.
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21:35 Speaker 02 In December of 1977, six months after the cover story in the New York Times Magazine, Nicky Barnes and many of his associates were arrested. Nicky received 20 years to life in prison. At the same time, another wave of NYPD officers was falling. Detective Robert Lucci said later that legendary detective Frank Serpico urged him to change his ways. As a corrupt cop, Lucci was in a good position to become an undercover informant against other corrupt cops. Lucci never addressed the allegations made by Frank Lucas, but Lucci wore a wire for two years in order to gather evidence against mobsters and corrupt cops.
22:17 Speaker 02 In the fall of 1977, another widespread corruption scandal started hitting the NYPD. Of the 70 men in the Special Investigations Unit, 52 were under indictment or in jail for drug-related corruption by the end of the year. Lucci was never charged because of his instrumental role in exposing the corruption of his fellow officers. He moved on to become a police academy lecturer, and later, an author. Like Serpico, Lucci's story was written as a book and then adapted into a film. Both were titled Prince of the City, and the film was released in 1981. Coincidentally, the same man, legendary filmmaker Sidney Lumet, directed Serpico and Prince of the City.
23:01 Speaker 02 The same year Prince of the City debuted in theaters, Frank Lucas's deal with Richie Roberts paid off.
23:12 Speaker 02 After Frank completed his testimony at the safe house, he went back to prison and waited for Roberts to live up to his end of the deal. As the fallout over the police scandal became public, Frank's position looked good. At the same time, Frank's wife Julie, who was Puerto Rican, had moved to the island with their daughter Francine to get as far away from the dangers of New York as possible. And then, the wheels of justice started turning again for Frank Lucas. On June 4, 1981, a federal judge reduced Frank's New York sentence to time served. Shortly thereafter, a judge did the same thing with Frank's New Jersey sentence. Frank served just six years of the combined 70 years that he could have spent in prison.
23:56 Speaker 02 One of the judges said, "The cooperation of individuals such as Frank is vital to the government's effort to combat narcotics traffic." The judge claimed that Frank's cooperation led to the prosecution of 80 individuals on narcotics-related charges. Frank spent the rest of his life claiming that he only snitched on dirty cops, but the US attorneys seemed to believe otherwise. And at the same time Frank was being released, Nicky Barnes was using the same tactic to try to achieve the same result. Nicky was facing a minimum of 20 years, and maybe the rest of his life, behind bars. In 1981, after a couple of years in prison, he started talking.
24:37 Speaker 02 He named all the other members of the council, as well as almost 50 others who were involved in heroin trafficking. According to some reports, he named more than 100 people in total. He admitted to ordering six murders while he was the head of the council. And Barnes went even further than Frank Lucas. He wore a wire in order to expose people who were still dealing drugs behind bars. His cooperation spanned 15 months, and it allowed the feds to convict 50 gangsters of additional crimes. But unlike Frank Lucas, Nicky Barnes didn't receive the benefit of his cooperation right away. He would spend a lot of years in prison before he was rewarded. For Frank, walking out of prison in 1981, he was at the biggest crossroads of his life.
25:22 Speaker 02 His heroin business was all but gone. A couple of his lieutenants were still in Harlem and willing to work with him, but his infrastructure and resources were crippled. His heroin connections in Thailand had been arrested. Virtually all of the high-level gangsters he had known in the 70s were dead or in prison. Some of his family members were in prison, and the rest were scattered. His wife and daughter were in Puerto Rico, and his son was in Las Vegas. Frank Lucas Jr. had been living with famous boxer Joe Louis since Frank's arrest in 1975. Frank's first order of business was to try to reunite his family, and then to restart his business.
26:05 Speaker 02 Frank's wife Julie wanted him to fully reform and leave the drug business in the past. She'd been telling him for years to get out of the drug business and focus on his legitimate businesses. It made sense, of course, especially in light of everything that had happened in the past six years. But it was easier said than done. Frank Lucas wasn't a real businessman, and he didn't really have any interest in being one. His legitimate businesses had collapsed, and even if they hadn't, there was simply no comparison to the money that could be made from heroin. The money was incomprehensible. Frank could make more money in a week than most businesses made in a year. It was incredibly difficult to walk away from that kind of cash, even with the risks involved.
26:49 Speaker 02 And add to it the fact that crime was the only thing Frank knew how to do. It was the only thing he had ever done. He had grown up dirt poor in North Carolina, and his only source of income since he was a teenager had been crime. Now he was fifty-one years old, he had no marketable skills, and he had burned nearly all his bridges in order to get himself out of prison. So he went back to dealing heroin as best he could with few resources. And he flew to Puerto Rico to try to get his family back together.
27:24 Speaker 02 Frank retrieved his wife Julie and his daughter Francine from Puerto Rico and took them to Las Vegas to meet up with his son, though the trip was not entirely about a family reunion. Frank also wanted to secure more contacts for his new heroin operation. He had convinced some people to front him a little bit of product until he could get back on his feet. And he needed to find a way to turn that amount into a larger amount or use it to set up a pipeline, or both. He didn't know how it was gonna work, he was really winging it, but he was determined to make a triumphant return to Harlem as soon as possible. He hardly had time to enjoy his family reunion when the DEA kicked down the door to his hotel room in Las Vegas.
28:06 Speaker 02 Like a replay of the raid on his house several years earlier, agents swarmed the room and shouted at Frank, Julie, and Francine to get on the floor. The family members complied, and the agents searched the room. Unlike the previous raid, there were no bags of money lying around. And Frank didn't have any heroin in the room, so he was clean from that standpoint. But the agents did arrest him for parole violation, and they took him away from his wife and daughter and transported him to New York. Ultimately, the charges didn't stick, and Frank was released. But he still had the same problems: a scattered family and no business. The solution was just to be more careful.
28:49 Speaker 02 He was back on the street and dealing wherever he could. He kept his head down, and made money, and harbored no dreams of returning to the glory days of running an empire. Over the next couple of years, Frank could feel that he was no longer being watched by the authorities as closely as he had been previously. After all, there were always new criminals to chase, especially in New York. In the 1980s, that meant the mafia. Mob guys had always been targets, and plenty of them had been arrested during Frank's heyday in the 1970s. But in the 80s, law enforcement agencies and state and federal prosecutors were going to try to roll up the heads of the five families into one gigantic criminal conspiracy case.
29:32 Speaker 02 So they paid less attention to old Harlem gangsters like Frank Lucas—or so Frank thought. He wasn't quite as sneaky or as smooth as he believed, and his freedom would not last very long.
29:57 Speaker 02 Next time on Infamous America, Frank Lucas crashes out of the drug game, serves more time in prison, and hits rock bottom. Then one of his brothers comes to his rescue with a legitimate business opportunity, and Frank's life starts to turn up. And then, the media comes calling with an appetite for tales from the wild old days, and that leads to a book deal and a Hollywood movie. The final chapter of the Frank Lucas story is next week on Infamous America. To binge all the episodes of a new season and to listen to every episode of the podcast with no commercials, subscribe in Apple Podcasts, or sign up through the link in the show notes or on our website, blackbarrelmedia.com.
30:41 Speaker 02 Research for today's episode would not have been possible without "The Return of Superfly" by Mark Jacobson, "Harlem Godfather" by Mayme Johnson and Karen E. Quinones Miller, and "Original Gangster: The Real-Life Story of One of America's Most Notorious Drug Lords" by Frank Lucas and Aaliyah S. King. This series was researched and written by Robert Teamstra. Additional writing by me, Chris Wimmer. Original music by Rob Valier. Thanks for listening.
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