US-Iran Tensions, Japan’s Economic Threat, and the Truth About the Trump Account

ITU: Ready to break through your biggest business bottleneck? Apply to work with me 1:1 - https://impacttheory.co/SCALE Sign up for my AI Masterclass: https://tombilyeu.com/ai-masterclass?utm_campaign=TBS-Livestream&utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=social Welcome back to another episode of the Tom Bilyeu Show Live, where we tackle the most pressing headlines and unravel the complex web connecting global politics, economics, and innovation. In today's fast-paced and far-reaching episode, Tom dives into the aftermath of the US's largest series of strikes on Iran since the recent ceasefire, breaking down the volatile reactions in oil and gold markets, and exploring the potential for a prolonged "forever war" in the region. He analyzes the ripple effects on inflation, US debt, and Japan’s precarious position in the global bond market, ultimately painting a picture of interconnected instability. Tom doesn’t stop with geopolitics; he turns the lens on US domestic issues, unpacking the evolving controversy and political fallout around Graham Platner, and how power—not morals—dictates the behavior of politicians on both sides. The discussion then shifts to the structural challenges of Social Security and the proposal of “Trump accounts,” sparking debate on wealth distribution, financial literacy, and the future of retirement for younger generations. Rounding things out, Tom addresses the ongoing Tyler Robinson trial, algorithmic bias in media consumption, Japan’s economic trajectory, and why humility and vigilance are vital in chaotic times. As always, the episode is packed with hard-hitting analysis, actionable insights, and unfiltered truth—with a little help from today's sponsor, Straight Arrow News. Buckle up—there’s a lot to unpack, and it’s more relevant than ever. Chapters: 00:00 Iran strikes impact markets 07:45 Speculation on Trump's Post-Election Actions 13:51 Bypassing Strait of Hormuz 18:54 Concerns about Iran's missile threat 24:49 Surge in foreign investment 27:19 AI Investment and Market Cycles 36:32 Questioning Political Morality Standards 41:22 Japan's Rate Policies and Carry Trade 46:11 Global economic instability concerns 53:45 Teaching financial literacy to kids 58:23 Balancing the budget for future benefits 01:04:32 Degrees of socialism debate 01:06:24 Balancing government and free market 01:15:23 Discussing perceptions of Trump's policies 01:17:04 Balancing fear of political sides 01:21:50 Improving personal productivity 01:30:30 Preliminary hearing overview 01:33:46 Unfired bullet found on rooftop Sponsors: Quince: Free shipping and 365-day returns at https://quince.com/impactpod Whatnot: Download the Whatnot app today and get free shipping on your first order. ATT Business: Switch to AT&T Business at business.att.com http://business.att.com Ketone IQ: Visit https://ketone.com/IMPACT for 30% OFF your subscription order Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impact Truemed: Check your eligibility and start saving at https://truemed.com/impact Ethos: Get a free quote athttps://ethos.com/impact Incogni: Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code IMPACT at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/impact See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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  And the Dems are backing away now as fast as they can. That one's interesting. Welcome to Politics in 2026. China just delivered a master stroke in their plan to replace the dollar as the world's reserve currency. We're going to be doing a deep dive live here today on that. U.S. debt is under pressure again from weakness in the Japanese bond market. Japan continues to be a very distressing looming threat out there. We'll be going into that. Tyler Robinson's trial for the assassination of Charlie Kirk is now sort of underway. It's really the pre-trial, but it's already getting weird. We're going to be talking about some algorithm things that are happening there that have Drew and I living in alternate universes.

• 2:10Speaker 00

  And Mitch McConnell is potentially brain dead, but Republicans are playing Weekend at Bernie's to avoid a special election. That one is wild. We've got some fun trolling on behalf of Thomas Massey out there. It'll be fun to look at that. All right, shout out to our sponsor today, which is Straight Arrow News. These guys are whole brand is that they don't manipulate the news. They're trying to make sure there's no bias. They don't have an agenda. They're all about helping people discover the facts and the context that they need. And man, in this media environment, that is going to be incredibly important for us all to stay grounded on that. I certainly appreciate Drew as somebody that's always trying to keep me honest. When we were talking about the differences in our algorithms over the Tyler Robinson thing,

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  it was very startling to realize how fast decisions can be made for you about what is being presented to you. And Straight Arrow News is trying to do that for everybody. So shout out to those guys. Check them out. Go to san.com/tombillu to get the unbiased truth on the stories that matter and to support our sponsors, which mean a lot to us. All right, guys. Iran has really popped off again with the biggest strikes since the ceasefire was announced. And the markets are swinging hard. Oil is up, gold is down. It is not the right up and down that I like to hear in my rap songs, but nonetheless, that's what's going on. Investors now are really assuming that inflation is just going to continue to increase.

• 3:38Speaker 00

  So if you're wondering why you've got oil in a time of uncertainty, you expect gold to be the thing that's stable. I think everybody understands why oil is spiking, but why is gold going down? And that's because people are far more afraid of inflation going up, which means rates are going to be kept up, which means the rate, the risk-free rate of return is now going up. And so being in something that doesn't return like gold is just not the play, at least as far as investors are going with what has just happened. So you can expect the markets to continue to be very weird. Things were quiet for a while, but the MOU now is just, it is such a vague mess when you really understand what both sides, I think, are doing.

• 4:23Speaker 00

  It is obvious that this was always going to be litigated through violence because both sides have said the things that they needed to say. They've said those shibboleths to buy themselves time to regroup. Trump was trying to calm the markets. Never be confused about that. And Iran needed some cash and they were both all too happy to give the other what they needed to buy that time. But there was no real available peace in the MOU. If you guys read the MOU, it was so ridiculously vague. And then both sides were just going out to the media and saying basically the exact opposite of the things that were in the MOU. It was the wildest shit I've ever seen. And so it was obvious that the peace was not going to last long.

• 5:06Speaker 00

  You can play clips of me saying exactly that in previous weeks. Now, the specific spark that kicks things, that kicked things off with Iran this time was that they attacked three ships that were transiting the strait. It's always when people are hugging the coast of Oman. And so that is what triggered them. They were saying that these were not routes that they had authorized. Now them attacking the ships that were going through the strait obviously pissed off Trump. So he then hit them back with the biggest attack since the ceasefire was announced. He said, in fact, we should pull that clip up, but he said straight up that he thinks the talks are over. He left just a little bit of softness in his language for more negotiations to continue. But he did call Iran scum.

• 5:51Speaker 00

  So let's play that clip.

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  Is the ceasefire over? Is the ceasefire done? Is the MOU dead?

• 5:59Speaker 02

  It's a very interesting question.

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  Yes, it is.

• 6:01Speaker 02

  To me, I think it's over. I don't want to deal with them anymore. They're scum. You know what scum is? They're scum. They're sick people.

• 6:09Speaker 00

  No, but she's confused.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  They're led by sick people. And they're vicious, violent people. And if they had a nuclear weapon, they'd use it. As far as I'm concerned, it's over. I'll speak to our negotiators. They want to negotiate. They're good people. Steve Witkoff, Jared Kushner, but they have to come back to me. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a waste of time dealing with them. They're liars. We make a deal. And if I make a deal with him, we have a deal. And he goes out, he talks. We make a deal. Everyone's agreed, no nuclear weapon. We make a deal. They go outside, talk to the press. They say, we never even talked about it. There's something wrong with them. They're cuckoo.

• 6:48Speaker 00

  So yeah, you can expect this to continue. This is going to be something where bombs are going to be the ultimate negotiator. Trump is talking like he's not in complete control of this. If he tells Witkoff and Kushner that the negotiations are over, then they're over. So the fact that he's still sending them back in tells you that he always wants to have that card that he can play in his back pocket of like, hey, we're back to negotiating. You can watch interest rates. I mean, it's really pretty wild. I guess it shouldn't be unexpected, but it is pretty wild that the negotiations are predicated on what the market will bear in terms of Trump's tolerance for stress in the stock market. So yep, keep your eyes there.

• 7:29Speaker 00

  That's going to signal a lot more clearly than anything that he says or anything that Iran says as to whether or not we have to have a moment of peace or whether we can go back to the bombing. I don't see any way out of this. So you either litigate via war, knowing that that is the ultimate leverage point, or you're just going to be in this position. Now, you can mentally model Iran however you want. The most common mental model for Iran is that they're going to buy themselves as much time. They're going to tell you everything that you want to hear so that they can keep kicking the can down the road. I've talked about this in business. This is absolutely something that whenever you can, you want to buy yourself time for things to work out more naturally.

• 8:12Speaker 00

  And so whenever, not that in business, it's advisable to lie because if you're doing that, you're just going to absolutely blow your reputation apart. You're not going to be able to get anything done. But if you see an opportunity to buy yourself a day or a week, when you're not able to get the things that you want, you never know when something might appear. And so this is Iran's strategy through and through. Everybody has talked about this, about their strategy of deploying delay tactics by promising you something that they never planned to deliver on. So this to me is yet another punctuation mark that we're going to see over and over and over until something finally makes us come to a head. And I don't know if that's getting on the other side of the midterms.

• 8:55Speaker 00

  There are plenty of analysts that think no matter what happens, whether Trump wins or loses on the other side of this, he's going to be unbridled. If he wins, obviously he's going to have wind at his back and he can go in and get back to bombing things and not have to worry about the election. If he loses the election, then he really has nothing to lose. Obviously, Congress is going to be pushing to impeach him basically immediately, but he'll still be able to do things through executive order. And so if you guys remember what happened when Obama ended up losing the midterms, he said, well, I still have a phone and I still have a pen, I think is exactly how he said it, meaning the executive orders. And so expect Trump to do that exact thing and just go back to running the same kind

• 9:40Speaker 00

  of blitz of EOs that we saw at the beginning of his term. So I'm not expecting anything to play this out other than this constant back and forth of peace to either on our side, calm the markets, or on their side, rebuild the war chest, followed by, okay, now we can go back to being violent because we, we just do not agree on anything. If you listen to the things that Iran is actually saying, all the key elements of the MOU that'll make this a deal, that they're never going to have nuclear weapons. What Israel is doing in terms of Lebanon, which continues to be this big question mark about how Lebanon feels about that, but anyway. So you've got that going on. You've got the strait being opened, them not being able to charge.

• 10:24Speaker 00

  You've got them obviously expecting the $300 billion in, they're not calling it reparations, but I'll call it reparations. So do not expect any of this to go smoothly. This is going to be something that will be played out with strike after strike after strike. Now, the markets are getting that message very clearly. And on the back of this most recent strike, Brent jumped more than 6% to nearly $79 a barrel. Now, that's a far cry from where we were when we were up over 100, but it is the biggest one-day move since early June. Dow futures have dropped over 400 points. Energy stocks have rallied pre-market because they're expecting the price to go up. And CHIPS, those stocks just keep selling off.

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  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action. So all of the peace gains that we made basically have been immediately unwound. Now, that doesn't mean that they won't reassert themselves if we go back to peace. But that's going to be the sort of ping ponging you can expect in the markets. Now, there are rumors right now that the US is going to put up their naval blockade as early as today. We'll see if that actually happens. But if that does happen, then I imagine that the markets are going to swing even harder, expecting this to really go back to driving inflation. I think you'll see Brent go up even more. Will we start pushing 80s and 90s again? I think it's very likely if we go into the blockade and we see a week go by without any other movement,

• 15:08Speaker 00

  I would expect to see that number go up. And that's also going to hold the Fed, hold their feet to the fire in terms of having to hold their interest rates high for longer. So anybody that was still fingers crossed, holding out that the rates were going to be coming down soon.

• 15:23Speaker 00

  It's going to be tough to do that when you've got oil prices going up and up. So that is the standoff that we're really in. So we'll see. All right. As for the details of this most recent flashpoint, the ships that Iran hit, as I was saying earlier, were the ones that were using unapproved routes. The CENTCOM targets that were hit were Iranian air defenses, radar, and more than 60 IRGC fastboats. They've also claimed that they've hit and killed some more IRGC leadership. But that really does seem to be a never-ending basket of people that they can draw on. So I would not expect there to be any sort of, oh, we finally hit the one guy. That just isn't going to happen.

• 16:03Speaker 00

  So maybe more instability, maybe more infighting, but nonetheless, don't expect us to be able to kill our way to a better regime over there. Now, Scott Besson has also brought the US Treasury into the strikes. They've launched some attacks of their own, revoke the oil sanctions waiver that had been refilling Iran's coffers. And that, that's the thing that in all of this is maddening to me. It was self-evident that the second you do that, Iran, who has made it abundantly clear in their rhetoric and how vague the things are in the MOU, that they just want to get money going again. Once they do that, then they're going to leverage that to build up their strength so that they can negotiate even harder. Oil sales are roughly half of Iran's revenue.

• 16:48Speaker 00

  So to give you an idea, you could cut off half, but then the second you open those spigots again, real money is flowing in. And the administration has given buyers until July 17th to wind down their transactions. But Lord only knows how much is going to happen in the nine days between now and then. So we'll see. Now, needless to say, Iran has hated all of this, and they fired back this morning. They sent missiles and drones at US bases in Bahrain and Kuwait. Kuwait says that they intercepted everything, that there was no damage, no casualties. But Iran has warned US allies in the region, specifically the UAE, that there are going to be no more restraints on their attacks, on their infrastructure. So expect that to get better or expect that to get worse before it gets better.

• 17:33Speaker 00

  It is wild. I'm actually surprised how energy prices have held on between what's going on in Russia and what's going on in the Strait. And they're talking about the Red Sea now. So this really could get wild. And it's going to be interesting to see if we, meaning the West more broadly, can actually start working around the Strait of Hormuz. So necessity is the mother of invention. So we'll see if we see places like the UAE, Saudi Arabia, building more and more pipelines to get around. Saudi Arabia has done a phenomenal job of that already, working around a lot of the Strait. I forget the exact percentage, but I think it was somewhere around 60 or 70% of their oil

• 18:16Speaker 00

  was now able to bypass the Strait of Hormuz. I don't know if there are reasons that they would prefer not to have to use that, but certainly people are working at a pace to try to get around all of this. But I would expect that to take years to build out something more robust than what's already in place. And the real question becomes, how do you protect that from more strikes from Iran? Given what we're seeing from drone warfare in the Ukraine-Russia war, man, you can do a lot of damage with long-range drones. And I would suspect that Iran is going to have access to very similar kinds of technology as time rolls on. So drones aren't going anywhere. You've even got stuff in China, if you guys have been paying attention to this, they've had massive flooding there,

• 18:58Speaker 00

  and they're using drones to airlift people out of the flood zone. So drones are getting more and more sophisticated extraordinarily rapidly. So yeah, this, this one's going to get weird, and it is going to affect the markets. And it's going to force Trump's hand or anybody else's hand that's at the wheel. So regardless of who's in power, energy, as it affects inflation, is such a big deal. You just cannot look past it. We'll get into this more when we talk about Japan, but it's, it's going to be a rough ride.

• 19:30Speaker 00

  I'm going to stake my claim right now, this is a forever war. We're going to be in here at least two more years. Oh, yeah, Jesus. Trump's not getting out of here before his presidency's done. I can't imagine. I can't imagine. You're going to see this back and forth, so they're not going to call it a war. There almost certainly will not be ground troops. I know Professor Jiang is just convinced that Trump is going to have to put troops on the ground. I don't put it past him. He has now a longstanding history of making terrible decisions. So it is certainly possible that he ends up doing that. I'm not expecting it, but I am expecting this back and forth, tit-for-tat kind of thing, where he's constantly saying, hey, they're saying all the right things. I know they're saying bad things publicly, but no, this is going to be all good. And so, and that will calm the markets, but it will only do it for a while. And the...

• 20:16Speaker 00

  God, do I want to do a tangent on the real story of the boy who cried wolf? I'll stop for now, but there's

• 20:23Speaker 03

  I know, I need that. Come on.

• 20:24Speaker 00

  All right, so

• 20:25Speaker 03

  foreplay me and let me hang around with that.

• 20:26Speaker 00

  Here is the really fascinating thing about so many of these stories is that the way that they've been sort of smoothed over largely by Disney gives you an unrealistic version of what the actual thing, the moral of the story that we're trying to be told with the original. So in the original, the boy who cried wolf. Story is the kid goes up to the edge of the forest and he sees wolves. He's not making it up. He actually sees wolves. He goes back and he says, hey, guys, there's wolves. They all go check. Nope, no wolves. Hey, kid, you're lying. Don't fucking do it again. Kid goes back to edge of the forest. The fucking wolves are back. And so he goes back. He's like, guys, I'm telling you wolves. They go check. No wolves. This kid, we can't fucking trust him.

• 21:09Speaker 00

  The wolves are trying to use the boy as a way to convince everybody that the radar system, the early warning people who are like, no, no, no, for real. This is a real problem. When it doesn't happen, this is like with the economy, when it doesn't happen again, and people say like Peter, like people like Peter Schiff have called nine of the last two recessions. It's you start to go, yeah, yeah, these, these guys are full of shit. There's nothing real. And so finally, the kid's like, I don't know what to do. And so he ends up going into the woods and the wolves eat him. And so the kid really does get eaten. Nobody believed him. And then now anybody that tries to go in after the wolves, they get eaten too.

• 21:48Speaker 00

  And so it is a tale of you do ruin your credibility when you cry wolf and then the wolves hide. But it doesn't mean that there aren't actually wolves there. So that's where I would say, yeah, like there is going to be a lot of that, whether it's from pundits, whether it's from me saying like, hey, this is going to be risky or Japan. I can already feel this one. So there's three points of spread still between even Japan, like at their worst and where the US is. So the Japan yen carry trade, it is unwinding. It's going to keep unwinding. Because you, you can't hold that forever. And so, but I'm sure people have been saying that for a very long time, but then COVID hits.

• 22:34Speaker 00

  And now all of a sudden that inflation actually does reach Japan. And now all of a sudden they're having to react. And so people are going to say, uh, this is all bullshit. All these people saying that the Japan carry trade is going to unwind. They're, they're just crying wolf. But remember, the moral of the story is the wolf is really there. And when you go to look for it, it recedes. You walk away, it comes back. You look and you just keep getting that until finally the wolves attack and you've got a real problem. So expect a lot of that with Iran. Expect this to drag on for a very long time. But remember, ultimately the kid does get eaten and the wolves really are a problem. And so I would expect that to play out both from Iran actually is a problem.

• 23:14Speaker 00

  Iran really does have negative intentions towards, I think everybody will get on board that they have very negative intentions towards Israel. But remember, the US is the big Satan, not the little Satan. Israel's the little Satan. So what happens as they get ballistic missiles that can reach Europe? What happens if they get ballistic missiles that can reach the US? So it's like, yeah, has Trump done a ton of damage? Have all the people that have said, hey, they're about to get a nuclear weapon. Hey, they really want to do bad things. Yes, because then they don't do bad things. But does that mean that it isn't a danger? And I would put forth, no, it doesn't mean that they're not a danger. But it does mean that the way that we're dealing with it right now is not working.

• 23:53Speaker 00

  So now what? To your point, we've gotten sucked into something that's probably going to last for years with this back and forth tit for tat. We're in a war, we're not a war. But that doesn't mean that the danger is not real. And that's how you suck people into this stuff. You drag it out just long enough that people finally have to let their guard down to not look like complete dumbasses. Cause that's the thing, man. Imagine trying to run on Iran is an imminent threat in 2028. Good luck. Good luck.

• 24:24Speaker 03

  Like we're still there. So everybody, there was Jordan, I think in the chat was like, Trump needs to apologize and just back out. And I was like, we're already past that point because Iran at the very minimum is going to reject that apology. So that way they could do a victory lap around the world and point and say, ha, ha, we beat the US. Look at us. Like there's no incentive for us to stop this war unless we just bomb everybody to oblivion and we just kill 90 million people.

• 24:47Speaker 00

  Well, we have an incentive to stop the war. That's the bad news. So just like we have an incentive to print, uh, because in the immediate term, it isn't bad. It's bad in the long term. So we've been the, the boy who cried wolf has played out phenomenally well with the inflation. So people have been eaten, people are just constantly getting eaten by inflation. But yet we keep saying, no, no, no, far better to just keep running these deficits better than to face the austerity. Same with the war. Trump would be, uh, would in the short term be much better off backing off because they're not going to get a nuclear weapon before he's out of office, almost certainly. So now you're in a position where somebody finally has to say, okay,

• 25:30Speaker 00

  this may not play out on my watch, but I really believe that this is true and I'm going to push this all the way to the end. Is that going to be Trump? Maybe we'll see. He's very responsive to the markets. If for no other reason than the markets have made him fantastically wealthy by trading on what I'll call insider information, whether it makes meets the legal definition of that or not, I don't care. It's the spirit, I think is exactly the same. He knows that his money is contingent on the policies that he passes. And so given that, you can expect him to have a massive incentive to do things that are good for his money. Again, I think that the way Trump thinks through this stuff is I'm going to do what's good for me. If it happens to be good for America too, great.

• 26:10Speaker 00

  But I am certainly going to do what's good for me. So he has that personal incentive to calm the markets. So this one is weird. It's like a glitch where there's the sort of Mount Rushmore of it all. Listen, I've laid out my full thesis. I'm not going to do it again here. If people are confused about why I think Trump did what he did, I can certainly answer that. It's not as simplistic as it's what's good in the short term for the markets, but I do think that he's got a long-term vision for needing to get the investments into the US. And I've talked about so many times. So, um, you've got all of that at play. There is a reason to end the war. I don't think he'll take it.

• 26:48Speaker 03

  Yep, we're going to be here for a while, so get comfortable.

• 26:53Speaker 03

  Is there pressure from the allies that could possibly force Trump's hand? If Iran is really honest that they're going to take off their quote unquote restraint. If they start attacking the UAE, Dubai, all like all these other places and they feel that pressure. Would that be the domino that can make Trump say, okay, okay, we really need to stop this war? Would it ramp up? What do you think his response would be if they really go unhinged?

• 27:16Speaker 00

  Well, so I think it's a thought exercise that probably won't play out quite like that, but let's run the thought exercise. So if the allies turn against Trump, yes, it could be untenable for him. If it is literally the UAE, Saudi Arabia, um, Oman, Qatar, like if they're all like fucking stop, get out of here. We, we are booting you out of our bases. Like we don't want you here anymore. You were not welcome. And they start siding with Iran. Uh, yeah, that could push him out. If Turkey comes online with Iran, which Trump has said nakedly, the only reason that Turkey didn't enter the war on behalf of Iran is because I told them not to. Now I've got to wonder what he had to promise because it wasn't just like, hey, bro, please.

• 28:02Speaker 00

  It would have been that Erdogan sees something that he can get from the US that he wants. I don't know what that is.

• 28:07Speaker 03

  Sanction relief.

• 28:08Speaker 00

  But there's going to be, yeah, I mean, that's a great default assumption. So, uh, if Erdogan comes in, all of the, um, countries in the region are like, you gotta get out of here. We don't want you here anymore. Then yes, I think he would then be like, all right, I tried. These guys want to blow themselves up, uh, then fine. I'd be very interested to see what the relationship, it, it will matter a lot what the relationship is between the US and Israel at that point. As to whether, um, the US completely ejects out of the region, or if they just keep funding Israel so that they can fight the fight and go back to basically using Israel as a proxy to try to do something, uh, in the region.

• 28:50Speaker 00

  But certainly if we really do have energy independence in the US, we're able to stabilize our market. We're getting, um, because we're getting massive cash, cash inflows into the US market right now from all around the world. Like, I don't know that we're at historic levels, but I think we are. I'm only hedging because um, I don't have the graph in front of me, but if I'm not mistaken, we have literally historic levels of foreign investment like over the last 60 days. So it is right now for all of the weirdness in the US market, for all of the missteps that the US is doing, people are looking around the world and they're not seeing anywhere else to put their capital. And capital will always seek a return.

• 29:31Speaker 00

  And so if there is nowhere better, even if it's just like, this is like the best of all my bad options. The money is still pouring in. Now I think that's predicated on AI. If the AI story crumbles, expect that to stop. Also, if the AI story crumbles, you could have a global recession, especially if it's riding on the back of Japan and, uh, you know, war in the Middle East. So yeah, this, this gets nested very quickly. I am going to tease these things out more. We're going to be talking about Japan in a minute. But these are the dots that start connecting. You've got, um, energy stress that will affect Europe for sure. Maybe even all the way to China. I don't remember how much oil China is getting from Russia.

• 30:13Speaker 00

  But if you've got Ukraine hitting the energy infrastructure in Russia. You've got Europe continuing to shoot itself in the foot. You've got continued instability in the Middle East. If Iran really does start destroying, um, civilian oil infrastructure all across the region. You could put a real squeeze on the energy markets. Combine that with what's going on in Japan. Combine that with a broken AI story. This gets global real fast.

• 30:49Speaker 03

  Do you think the AI story is broken? Cause I'm on team. It, it's looking broken.

• 30:53Speaker 00

  Here's the problem. To me, the historical trend is so obvious that, uh,

• 30:59Speaker 00

  I, I am so paranoid about my read. So anybody that if you ever put in the comments, where does Tom actually invest his money? The reason that I don't post that is because I am so paranoid that I'm going to be blindsided by something. The last thing I want is people being like, well, Tom really understands this stuff. And so this is what he's doing. So I should do the same. Jesus Christ, I live in a constant state of paranoia that either there's a black swan event, or I'm not mapping something correctly. And so I am so confident in my read of AI that I'm afraid of myself, if you see what I mean. I, I fear my confidence. That's when I'm like, oh, there, there could be something here. So the historical loop that AI is a part of says very

• 31:42Speaker 00

  clearly that what will happen is whenever you have a truly extraordinary new technology, it will get flooded with investment, it will get way out over its skis, and the early investors will get wiped out. And then what they call the inheritance generation will come along behind those people, take advantage of all the infrastructure that was built, but that bankrupted, God knows how many people along the way. And then they'll build over the next 10 to 20 years, they'll build the real surviving companies. And so I'm watching this play out and I'm like, I do not trust myself to get the timing right. I do not want to be over invested in AI. I don't want to be over invested even in the US, though right now I probably am. And so all of that is

• 32:22Speaker 00

  like, to me, so self evident a pattern. And by the way, we're now getting the early data that, yeah, this is really playing out like that in terms of, look at the revenue going into the AI industry is so much slower than what the debt would tell you it needs to be at this moment. So again, historical parallel, this is exactly what happens with all of these new major real technologies that come on board. They always go through this. And so the revenue is not coming in as fast as you'd like. Also, corporations are now starting to back out. Also, corporations are getting paranoid, the whole Alex Karp rant about, wait, are these companies just basically absorbing

• 33:05Speaker 00

  my business model through the things that I give to them? Exactly. And so now it's like, they're gonna wanna lean on these Chinese models that are coming out that are open source. There's potential drama there, but just follow the logic. So they're like, wait, I can actually reduce my costs dramatically. So hold on. You're telling me that we have an industry that needs big revenues right now, way faster than they're getting them. And people are already spending less than expected, and they're trying to optimize to spend dramatically less? It's like, as a consumer, this is great. Just kill the first generation of investors, don't care. Give me the 20 year build to the greatest technology the world has ever seen is gonna totally transform the world. But the gap between even my own analysis at the beginning of

• 33:50Speaker 00

  this was like, yo, this is gonna happen so fast, it's gonna eat everything. This is going way faster than I ever could have imagined. And then you start going, hmm, actually, I still believe this is all playing out, but I'm not as confident about the timeline assessment. And then you start looking at the historical example and you're like, yeah, it's probably better to bet against it happening in the right period. By bet against, I mean in words. I am not shorting the market, fuck that. I do not trust my read on this nearly enough for that. But that the intellectual humility as a bet against AI, I think is very wise, rather than saying, oh, this is gonna be everything.

• 34:29Speaker 00

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• 35:44Speaker 00

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.

• 35:48Speaker 03

  We shall see. This is one of those things that I'm really interested at how it plays out, because to your point, so many things are interconnected. Cause we have a debts, a debt time bomb that's happening. We have our international crutches that we traditionally relied on Japan for financial, Israel who now wants to just fight everybody, taking us in two different directions. Russia is getting its reserves bombed, so that might reshuffle the entire, I get my oil from like, deck. Like, there's so many things being stacked up right now that one thing breaking one way can just cause like a domino effect. So I'm curious to see how it all plays out.

• 36:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, there's real potential for a contagion effect here. So yeah, I mean, it's, it's all eyes on this stuff, but everything is so destabilized right now. It's really unnerving. And the really interesting thing, I want everybody to remember what COVID felt like. And I remember somebody saying at the time, this is impacting the kids more than you think. And I remember thinking, hmm, I don't know about that, man. Like, if you can't see the effects right now, what are, what are the odds that it has like some long and lingering effect? But now, seeing how what's happening in Japan is actually COVID related, I'm like, whoa,

• 37:03Speaker 00

  that's crazy. So this is years later. It's finally working its way. The wolves are finally eating the first people at the edge of the forest. And you're like, holy shit, the kid was right. There really were wolves hiding there. But it's taken years for it to play out. And so there are these long tail knock on effects that I don't think people are being realistic about. And so when I look at all of this instability, I was pretty nonchalant about what was going on in Russia. I'm now thinking that's a big mistake. And so it's like, hmm, that's gonna, I think, be a bigger deal than we want to think. Up to and including, does Putin get backed into a corner and lash out? It is very interesting watching the rhetoric coming out of Zelensky. Zelensky is always pulling

• 37:48Speaker 00

  his punches, which I give him a ton of credit for. He's trying not to be provocative to Russia, despite the fact that they're bombing the shit out of them. Every night, he keeps saying, hey, let's get to the negotiating table. We're killing this many Russians. We do not want to be doing this. This is not a source of pride. We would very much like to stop. And you could say that he's bullshitting and that that's not really true. My bet is that is true. And he would very much like to have a negotiation, redraw borders in some sort of sensible place, and be done with the aggression. I think he's gonna be pretty aggro about getting into NATO for reasons that I think

• 38:29Speaker 00

  will be self evident. And I'm sure Russia is gonna be completely opposed to that. But nonetheless, man, when you look at that and you see that it's this completely destabilized thing, they're killing 30,000 people, just on the Russian side. Forget what's happening on the Ukrainian side. Russians are losing 30,000 troops a month. So, yeah, anyway, it's crazy. You've still got everything going on with Israel, Gaza, Lebanon, Hezbollah, Hamas, like, all of that is still in play. I don't know what you mean by that. I mean, I think I do, but...

• 39:04Speaker 03

  Israel just built them for Palestine. Oh, I'm sorry, it's a resettlement colony.

• 39:08Speaker 03

  Cause we love the Palestinians.

• 39:09Speaker 00

  We're gonna get into this. We should probably make that a separate segment. But, flag planted, so that'll be fun. Drew and I'll be able to collide on that. So, yes, a lot of destabilization, the Iran war, as you very aptly said, is not going anywhere anytime soon. The US is on, by my estimation, take that for what it's worth, but we started a 10 year ticking clock nine years ago. I mean, honestly, the clock's been ticking for a lot longer than that. And you can just look at the M2 money supply to see the problem. But that clock is ticking. We're now at nine years. By my estimate, if nothing changes, you are going to have a crisis within that window.

• 39:49Speaker 00

  That crisis will be gigantic. And when the crisis happens, I know some people think that they're gonna be fine. They're not gonna be fine. That is a, that is a like, everybody gets poor kind of situation. It's happened before. So you don't have to reach too far back into history to understand how devastating this shit can be. And I know the people like Marxists think, yeah, that's what we need. We need a revolution. We need to overturn the tables, bro. It's not fun to live through. Least of all, for the people with the least resources. So, yeah.

• 40:23Speaker 00

  No bueno.

• 40:24Speaker 03

  All right, um, we need to talk about, uh, Graham Platner and how Democrats are moving to distance himself after allegations came out. Um, I find this story very, very interesting, and I think that the faux outrage that I'm seeing from both sides is very, um, telling because now all of a sudden we care about sexual assault allegations.

• 40:46Speaker 00

  Um, I don't love topics like this because it really does sound so partisan, no matter how you approach it. So I'm going to do my best to lay out what's going on, um, in a way that will help people draw their own conclusions as to what's going on. Don't just drop, don't just adopt my mental model. Uh, so it goes something like this. Politics is the ugliest game in the universe and Graham Platner is the latest example of how politicians do not steer by morals at all. They steer by power. Once you understand that all politicians want is to gain and retain power, then the way that they behave is going to make perfect sense to you. This is not a thing unique to the Democrats. They

• 41:29Speaker 00

  just happen to be the ones that are in the middle of it right now. So Trump had, um, very credible allegations made against him, whether you believe they ended up being true or not, they needed to be taken seriously. Uh, he had very credible allegations of rape. He had credible allegations of, uh, sexual assault, obviously impropriety. So you've got that guy becomes president, then you've got Graham Platner who's being abandoned. And so the question becomes, given that they knew he had a Nazi tattoo, um, he had credible allegations of certainly sexual impropriety, perhaps, um, being too rough. I'm not sure what we would, if we're going to say sexual assault. Anyway, very credible allegations

• 42:12Speaker 00

  that this guy was, um, not what would meet my definition of a quote unquote, good person. The Democrats were still willing to get behind him in the same way that the Republicans were willing to get behind Trump. And so, uh, what I believe Drew is getting at is like, for the love of God, if you're going to be morally outraged about, uh, Graham Platner, then you better be morally outraged about Trump. Uh, I think that's a very reasonable read. And I will just say that, um, we long ago passed morality tests for our, um, candidates for office. And I remember I lived through when it was like, dude, the turmoil that,

• 42:56Speaker 00

  uh, Clinton went through with having potentially smoked a joint, man. It was insane because it was just like, yo, if this guy could do an illegal drug, then like, he just can't be trusted. He's not a moral person. It's bad, bad, bad. And he had to convince everybody that, okay, yes, they passed me the joint, but I didn't inhale. And I remember thinking, wow, like people really care about this stuff. That's wild. And so now to be where we're at, where you've got a guy on the mic saying, grab them in the, I just still can't believe that was recorded and he got elected. But nonetheless, it happened. So that to me is, uh, a fascinating example of where we're at as a society. That just, it, it, I won't

• 43:41Speaker 00

  say it doesn't matter because it's certainly a cudgel that each side will use against the other. And by the way, the second the Democrats can use something like this against a Republican, they will do it as if they did not go to bat. I think it was Senator Warren that said, this is my kind of man, uh, referring to Graham Platner. So it, morality doesn't enter into it. It never entered into it. It was always about power. Morality was only used as a cudgel when it was an effective way to gain power. Please, um, you will eternally be confused by politicians if you map them against anything other than what do I need to do to gain and retain power? So that to me is what's going on with Graham Platner.

• 44:21Speaker 00

  Now, is there any love lost for me that a guy with a Nazi tattoo is going down? No, there is not. But I think it's important to understand that the reason that he's going down now is not because, oh, there was finally a credible, uh, claim made against him. It was that in the mind of the public, there were enough claims made against him that people turned against him and he was losing in the polls. And that strikes me as far more realistic that any political group will put up with anything as long as they're polling well. And what you're seeing now is just they no longer believe he can win. And since they don't believe he can win, now they're going to abandon him. It's grotesque.

• 45:05Speaker 00

  Uh, and boy, do I hope that we go back in the other direction where it's like, we actually really do give a shit about the morality of our candidates. This is a populism problem. I did a whole deep dive about what populism is, how it bites you in the ass, how it will just make everything worse. We are smack bang in the middle of a populist moment. Um, watch that video. It, it is just, I think, going to give people insights into why this kind of thing is so like, yeah, no big deal. All these things leading up to this moment. And then all of a sudden they turn on him because he's not winning in the polls. So yeah, it's gross. It's real. It is happening on both sides. It is the nature of politics and that's why politics really is the ugliest game in the world.

• 45:46Speaker 03

  Ipso facto to that, let's talk about Japan now. Uh, cause let's, we're not, we're not, we're not moral. We care about money. So let's talk about our money. And right now Japan is dumping aggressively foreign bonds. Break it down for us, Tom.

• 46:02Speaker 00

  Japan continues to be a looming threat in the global economy. It is like a slow motion shot of Godzilla just breaking the surface of the water as it charges towards the shore. And as the water's like doming and you're like, what's coming? It's hard to tell how big the thing is, but you know, it isn't small. The Bank of Japan has a board member that just told the markets to brace for impact. Naoki Tomura has encouraged the Bank of Japan to keep hiking rates towards 2%. That would be double where we're at today. And if inflation continues to intensify, which given what's going on in Iran, it's going to, the pace of the hikes should accelerate, and this is a quote from her, without hesitation.

• 46:46Speaker 00

  So she is saying, stomp on the gas of these rate hikes, which if you do not understand how the global economy is structured right now, you may not get what a big deal that is. Japan, like 30 years ago, made a sort of Faustian bargain, a deal with the devil, where it was like, all right, we're going to basically do anything and everything that we can to stimulate our economy by holding rates artificially low. We're going to let there be, I mean, at one point, was there like a four or 5% gap between the price you could borrow money from the Bank of Japan and the price that the Fed was setting in the US? That is insane. That creates this ultimate arbitrage to the point where we've

• 47:27Speaker 00

  got Jay-Z, uh, rapping about the yen that he handles. Okay. What he's talking about is the carry trade. I can go get money for cheap in Japan and then I can put it to work anywhere where I can get a better return than the effectively one or 2% that I might have to pay there. Uh, man, right now, if you're investing wisely, you're going to be, you can be pushing like 13% on certain asset classes, more if you're really willing to go out on the risk profile. So let's call seven, uh, just like dead simple. So now you've got a five point spread between the two that you're paying on your yen and the seven that you're getting in the US markets. Like, god damn. So people are doing that like crazy. That just created a flood of liquidity into global markets. Now, the US

• 48:12Speaker 00

  has been the primary beneficiary and that has kept us going through really a period of stagnation where the growth stocks that we would normally count on weren't really growing that much. You had obviously the magnificent seven, but that was kind of it. And the magnificent seven was largely being driven by the cheap money that people were getting from the Bank of Japan. Okay. So that's like the setup. So for Japan to go basically fuck that. Now we're going to jack our rates up. Now you start seeing that window narrow where there's not so much of a spread. Now, even at two points, there's still a spread to where we're at, but it's getting more narrow. More and more people are going to get paranoid and it's going to start to suck that easy money out of the liquidity

• 48:57Speaker 00

  of the global markets. And that would be brutal for anybody that's still riding the yen carry trade and anyone that's expecting AI to just continue to get funded to high heaven. And between those things, that's a lot of people and it is certainly going to impact Japan's ability to hold US treasuries. I believe Japan is still the single largest holder of US treasuries. Okay. They own a lot, like a lot, a lot. And if they continue to sell, which they are doing now to try to support the yen, because it is falling like a rock compared to the dollar. So the dollar is getting stronger ironically as inflation goes up, which by the way, remember Trump doesn't want that. Trump wants a weaker dollar.

• 49:39Speaker 00

  It's where it gets complicated and where, boys, I will trust that you will ask questions if chat gets confused about how these things go, because this shit is complicated when you start really getting into the weeds. A lot of it's very counterintuitive. But the dollar is getting stronger, which is bad for the yen. Great if you hold dollars, but it's bad if you have to refinance your debt, which is what the US has to do. It's bad if you want to stimulate the US economy. But nonetheless, that's where we're at. And so that's going to put the, uh, Bank of Japan in a situation where they've got to get rid of their US debt. Now the US debt, I don't know if it's at all time lows, but it's at like regional psychotic lows in terms of how much of our debt is being held by foreign

• 50:23Speaker 00

  central banks. Okay. For a long time, foreign central banks used US debt like gold. Now they're using gold as gold. And so that is for the first time, I think it happened in 2025. For the first time in a long time, you've got the primary reserve asset being held by central banks as a way to backstop their currency is not US debt, it's gold. So that shift is happening. We're in talk, when we get into China, oh baby, we're really going to talk about this. So we're going to be doing, by the way, we're going long today, boys and girls. Anybody that wants to stay with us, we're going to go real deep on China here at the end today in, into our third hour. So stay with us for that. But

• 51:05Speaker 00

  that is where all of this stuff starts to really get dicey for people trying to navigate their way through all of this because if the US

• 51:16Speaker 00

  Can't count on these foreign investors to soak up the appetite for their debt, then guess what has to step in to buy it? The Fed. Now, guess how the Fed is going to buy debt that nobody else wants? They're going to print money. Now, guess what printing money does? Causes inflation. We're already at 4%, okay? We've got the on-again, off-again war, which has clicked back into the on position. And now, if Japan can't keep holding their debt and they're in a selling mode, and other federal or other central banks have decided they're not into the game of buying US debt anymore, and many of them are also selling.

• 51:59Speaker 00

  Now, you're in a position where you're going to have to turn back on money printing in a very serious way, and that's going to drive inflation further. Layer on top of that, the yen carry trade is being fueled, or sorry, is fueling global liquidity, and has been for decades. And couple that with the shakiness in the AI markets, and now you've really got like a looming set of shocks that may converge all at once into a rogue wave of shocks that can be very destabilizing for the global markets. Now, going back to this idea of the boy who cried wolf. I cannot tell you what the timing is going to be on this. Is it going to hold out for another year? Five years? Does it go 10 years? I mean, at some point, just mathematically, it is going to break.

• 52:42Speaker 00

  But the fact that it's moving as rapidly as it's moving now, and you've got members of the Bank of Japan just straight saying, "Listen, you've got to deal with the inflation." Like, we had almost 30 years of effectively zero inflation. And so now, because of COVID, it's really started. Now, it's being exacerbated by what's going on in the, in Iran, the war in Iran. And so this is all putting the yen in this like horrible situation. And so the yen hit 162.84 yen to the dollar. That's the weakest since 1986. Japan has recently, like really recently, spent a record 11.7 trillion yen,

• 53:24Speaker 00

  that's $72 billion, defending their currency in April and May, but it hasn't successfully stopped the bleeding. So when you've got the Bank of Japan being like, "Yeah, this isn't working. We're going to have to be prepared to just go and crank these rates up." You've now got investors talking about something that would have been just absolutely unthinkable two years ago, and that's 200 yen to the dollar. You've got Monex's Jesper Cole and Blue Edge Advisors both saying that 200 yen to the dollar is very possible if the Bank of Japan keeps struggling to get this under control. Now, according to Reuters, Japan's Ministry of Finance has gone silent and doesn't plan to continue telegraphing what their moves are going to be. Now, for anybody paying attention, guess who else has said,

• 54:09Speaker 00

  "Ah, we're going to stop telegraphing at least to the degree that we have been." Kevin Warsh, the new US Fed Chair. So you've got two very systemically important banks saying, "Hmm, we don't like the way that you guys are responding to everything that we say. Japan's really got their eyes on people trying to short the yen." So now, those two banks are like, "We're going to use something that's basically like an ambush strategy." And an ambush strategy is where they intervene, but they don't tell you it's coming. They don't warn you. And they're trying to catch those yen short sellers, in Japan's case, off guard so that they can stop them from exacerbating the risk. So this is, uh, this, we're going into a very unusual time

• 54:54Speaker 00

  when our own Fed is trying to remove the dot plot. Warsh refused to give his own dot. There's still whatever, uh, 17, 18 other dots that we're getting. But he's trying to say fewer words, which he literally did in the last update. He's trying to give fewer indications on where things are going. And Japan obviously has a reason to do the same. So now you can have investors basically guessing, which is going to make them less predictable. Doesn't mean that the markets are going to be more or less stable, but it does mean it'll be harder to read what investors are going to do. And so that makes it harder for the average person to know how to position themselves, which just puts us in a very weird position. Now, like I was saying before, Japan's rate gap against the Fed right now, I think, is still about three points.

• 55:39Speaker 00

  So we still have some cushion before the yen carry trade unwinds. Purely mechanistically, right now, people are doing it by choice, but there will come a day where it's just, it will have to unwind because people will be losing money by holding yen. So this is going to become ultimately a question of whether or not Japan can get the situation under control before that cushion runs out. And man, I don't know that there's any way to see that super clearly. So once again, approach the markets with humility, with a very large degree of paranoia. As I say in business, only the paranoid survive. That is doubly true in investing.

• 56:16Speaker 03

  Okay, I got a pitch.

• 56:18Speaker 00

  Let's go.

• 56:18Speaker 03

  I went down to the Twitter rabbit hole. This idea might work. This is how we fix the stock market. This is how we avoid the Roman collapse that everybody wants to happen. This is how we like free us from our debt. This is from Eric Bakounas. "I published a note today that I've been thinking about for months about how the US stock market has arguably become too big and too imp to fail." We know what those words mean. "It's basically America's retirement fund now. And plus even the savior of social security, which is expected to run out in less than 10 years. Everybody wants us to shift social security to the stock market, make a 401K instead. Currently, 55%, 55% of people own stocks, by far the most in the world. And Trump accounts bringing in 28 million additional Americans into stock market ownership.

• 57:01Speaker 03

  The vast majority of people, including the top 1%, who own half the stock market, middle class, lower income. We now have a financial interest in the health of the stock market, and they're all voters." I say all this to say, the Fed, instead of buying debt, what if it starts buying ETFs? The stock market's already propped up. We already all on fire. We might as well have the Treasury get in on this.

• 57:22Speaker 00

  They're already doing that. So this was a big part of 2008, was just going, "Uh, this company's going to live. That company's going to die." They went in and swooped up a bunch of their debt. So yeah, it's guaranteed.

• 57:35Speaker 03

  ETFs.

• 57:35Speaker 00

  Will they buy ETFs? I don't know. I, I won't make a prognostication about that. But I know that they will pick winners and losers. I know that they will manipulate the market. That is a guarantee. Now, the reality is you only have two choices. Choice number one, you get rid of the central bank. I love it. I'm here for it. And if we have a sensible path to doing that, I would legitimately be thrilled. Choice number two.

• 57:59Speaker 03

  Can we talk through those traits? Oh, I'll let you list. I want to talk through what that actually means, though. It's like we talked about, but let's go to the ramifications of it, but yeah.

• 58:05Speaker 00

  Choice number two would be that you have to get every American in the stock market in a very meaningful way. Those are your only two options. Because you have to get them into assets. Let me say it in a, in a more truthful way. Now, will the government ever back something that isn't just US? Probably not. So they're going to get you in the US stock market. But you have to do that. Anything else is truly sinister. And the, the wealth transfer from the middle and working class to the wealthy happens because you have a central bank, but the vast majority of people, because that stat that he gave is so misleading.

• 58:48Speaker 00

  The vast majority of people don't have any meaningful amount of wealth in the stock market. And so you've got to get them a meaningful amount of wealth so that it's like, oh, this is real. And without that, you're just going to continue to bleed them dry, and you're going to continue the K-shaped economy, and everybody's going to be like losing their minds. Now, show me the incentives and I'll show you the outcome. If every American is bought in, literally by using tax dollars and donations to get kids from birth, which is the Trump account, and I'm sure many people hate that it's his name on it, but I don't give a fuck.

• 59:28Speaker 00

  Like, you've got people like the Dell family donating billions of dollars just to American kids. And so now all this, and doing it, by the way, in a way that sort of teaches them financial literacy, but certainly ties them to America. They now own a piece of the American economy in a very real way. That one to me is, is an unmitigated good because now they care as long as you don't have them investing in specific companies, and you treat it like the S and P 500, where it's a qualification. It is a set of sensible things that they must do. Have been a company for so long, be profitable, ah, things like what the S and P 500 does. And then you just say, you don't need to care which companies are in this,

• 1:00:12Speaker 00

  just that companies in America are thriving such that your net worth is going up. Now, at least, as the central bank steals from everybody, it's also giving back to the poor, to every kid in America that has a Trump account. They all, so like when we say, "Oh, the poor get poor and the rich get richer." Now it would be, if you don't own assets, you're fucked. But if you do, everybody's boat rises up. Now, it puts them in a position where... If when they turn 18, they start taking that money and doing dumb shit with it. Now you've got a problem. And so that's one thing that people are worried about is you just, the smart money is going to fucking rob these kids blind.

• 1:00:54Speaker 00

  So it's like an 18 year delayed theft from the people that know how to play the game against people that don't know how to play the game. And that one, I take a principled stand. I just become absolutely irate when people are like, this is a nanny state and people should turn to the government for everything. You give them the chance, you make it tied to there are certain things that they can take it out for and certain things that they can't. And the things that I've seen them put forward are like, you can start a business, I think, pay for medical bills. Like, there were a few things where it's like, you could take the money out as of 18 to pay for those things. But the goal should be to get them to hold, and this is their retirement account. Because there's never been a time where there's been a 20 year period where you weren't positive.

• 1:01:37Speaker 00

  So if you give it to kids when they're young, and then they hold it to when they're 65, like, holy shit. This should be worth an insane amount of money. And again, show me the incentives, I'll show you the outcome. If all Americans are in a position where it's like, yo, I need American companies to do well. You would have looked at the World Trade Organization, been like, fuck you. No way. There's no universe. I'm not letting you outsource all of our jobs and weaken our companies. Like, no, no, no. Like, we're not playing that game. So you're going to do things that are good for American companies. So that is a great place to be, where you're making people very invested in what's going on in America.

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  But this is the ultimate play for social security. We're just gonna stop throwing it into the social security fund, giving it to the government, and instead putting it in the stock market. And I mean, you know,

• 1:02:24Speaker 00

  That's way better use for it. Way, way.

• 1:02:26Speaker 03

  I mean, the boomers are cashing in on the check, and they don't think so, because they're guaranteed till their death. It's the young people who are gonna get screwed, because then now we're tied to it.

• 1:02:33Speaker 00

  Wait, so you think young people are screwed by the, by the Trump accounts?

• 1:02:36Speaker 03

  I think young people are screwed because I've been paying social security into all this time for something that I'm not going to benefit from. So if my total contributions to social security are now going to be rolled into a 401k, oh, I love it the most. But that's not gonna happen. It's gonna be like, sorry, guys, starting now, all social security disbursements are going into this 401k. So the 30 something years of working history I have, none of that gets allocated, none of that gets compounded, none of that gets the 7% interest play. So the people that are in the middle of the flip switch, they're gonna get screwed. But, you know.

• 1:03:04Speaker 00

  So I would say it a slightly different way. What I would say is, the Trump accounts don't protect those people who need a solution, but the solution is you're going to run out of money in social security.

• 1:03:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:18Speaker 00

  So now, when you look at social security, it's like, okay, how do we want to solve this problem? I can't take anybody seriously that doesn't start with, we're gonna balance the budget. Then, as a part of balancing the budget, do things like extend the retirement age. Love that. If we need to reduce benefits somewhat, so that we make sure that it isn't going to run out of money. I love that. If we want to focus on growth, to make sure that we have more raw tax dollars, so that we can make sure that people are gonna be taken care of. I love that. But if you don't start by balancing the budget, you just keep doing the same thing. You are stealing from everybody, you are making them poorer, and you are only giving back to people who own assets. And so that group of people will just continue to get hammered.

• 1:04:00Speaker 00

  So for them, it's like, if you actually want to solve the problem, you want to be voting for things that do the things that I just said. So that stop the bleeding in terms of unbalanced budgets, that reduce the bleed out of the system, given that we're now a column and not a pyramid. And so that's gonna be very important. But you, that doesn't make the Trump accounts a bad thing. That is such a net positive, and you want to start that now, so that it starts paying off in, you know, 18 years from now. And then the real payout being when the kids that are born today go to retire. And it's like the first thing where we're planning so far out into the future. I love it.

• 1:04:44Speaker 00

  Like, that could really, really be a win, without taking away from the fact that, yes, you're pointing to another thing that we have to solve, but you're gonna solve that almost certainly by different means.

• 1:04:54Speaker 03

  Because I think that there's two things that are true. Something that happened historically is, if something happens, it's a quote from The Alchemist, "If something happens, it's never going to happen again, or it's gonna happen repeatedly." We're going to keep deficit spending. It happened before, it's going to happen again, it's going to happen in the future. I haven't found a politician yet that has talked about austerity.

• 1:05:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:13Speaker 03

  So now that we know that this is going to happen, how do we solve it? Central bank, I don't think the central bank is leaving anymore. America likes being the boss and telling other people what to do. So we do that by throwing money in their faces. So we're not gonna give up that power either. So central bank's not going away, we're not balancing the budget. Next thing, Trump account, I love it the most. Three of my family members signed up. I got a new guy, I got a new nephew, and Lynn has two more siblings. They're both all Trump accounts, they're gonna be rich when they're 18.

• 1:05:38Speaker 00

  Did you give one for, you got one for Lynn?

• 1:05:40Speaker 03

  No, Lynn's out, she doesn't account.

• 1:05:42Speaker 00

  Yes, she does. I think if they're under 18, they count. Ryan, look it up.

• 1:05:45Speaker 03

  Under 18, they can start one, I have to invest in it. But I already have like a 529 for it.

• 1:05:50Speaker 00

  But they don't, they won't put anything in?

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  Nothing. The $1,000 is only for the babies.

• 1:05:54Speaker 00

  Got it. So she gets the tax breaks?

• 1:05:55Speaker 03

  She gets the tax breaks and the account creation benefit, but she doesn't get the actual disbursement. I'm not beefing on that, though. I get a free 401k, I don't gotta pay for it. That's another, I'll take it. Again, I'm not mad at this. I just know that the next thing is gonna be like, okay, how do we fix social security? Well, the Trump accounts are going so well, why don't we try with, and I think that's going to be the interesting conversation that we're gonna have to figure out.

• 1:06:17Speaker 00

  In terms of how we fix social security?

• 1:06:19Speaker 03

  Because they're gonna, I think Trump accounts are gonna be the plan. Of like, Trump accounts have worked. In two, three years, they're gonna look back and they're gonna say, okay, X amount of people signed up. They had this money when they started, the stock market went, they now have Y amount of money. They grew up 13%, this is great for everybody, this is better than social security, let's get everybody on there.

• 1:06:36Speaker 00

  Yes, which is all true.

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  It's all true. The disbursement is gonna be the problem. That's gonna be the next issue that we're going to see. Just like the straight home.

• 1:06:42Speaker 00

  When you say when they take the money out, is that what you mean by disbursement?

• 1:06:46Speaker 03

  When the, how they're gonna convert people from social security's current system to the Trump account for adult system.

• 1:06:54Speaker 00

  I don't buy that argument. So I don't think that they're gonna try to do that for, for the kids, sure, maybe, but that doesn't help with the core group. It is a better answer, in my opinion. Far better answer for the young people today.

• 1:07:08Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:07:09Speaker 00

  The people that are already outside of that system, what are we gonna do about them? So going back to where you started, we're not going to get rid of the central bank, that's almost certainly true. We're not going to balance the budget, that is almost certainly false. We are going to balance the budget. The budget will be balanced, I guarantee it. And it will be balanced, because there will be no money, no appetite for our debt. And that's my nine year clock. And at that point, they won't be able to raise the money. And so their only two choices are gonna be to hyperinflate or balance the budget. And at that point, they'll be forced. And that's the thing, I can't seem to get people to understand. There's a mechanism you're gonna run up against. This is not me like saying, oh, there's a moral reason

• 1:07:53Speaker 00

  why we're gonna have a crisis in nine years. No, you're going to hit a mechanistic thing, where if people don't buy your debt, the only thing you can do is print. And if you need $2 trillion a year, like we do now, you can't print that much money without hyperinflating your currency. So, because the reality is, when we have a $2 trillion deficit, we're not just printing all of that. If we did, we'd already have the hyperinflation. It's that we're able to sell a huge, the vast majority of that, people buy up for us. And then there's small amounts, it's like $40 billion a month right now. Not saying that's trivial, I'm just saying, compared to $2 trillion, it's trivial. So you've got that reality looming on the horizon.

• 1:08:36Speaker 00

  And you also have the just debt repayment, which, man, did we even make it nine years? But let's just assume that we do, that there's just plenty of interventions, and we slow it down enough, and we really do get to nine years. But yeah, that is, that will force a balancing of the budget. But it will force it in a way that will be so traumatic, that I don't imagine we get away without bloodshed internally.

• 1:08:58Speaker 03

  There's some criticism of the Trump accounts, because some people are saying, hey, guys, this is free money to the taxpayer, and I thought we didn't want to give away free money, because I thought that was socialist.

• 1:09:09Speaker 00

  This is free money to the taxpayer. I don't understand that statement.

• 1:09:12Speaker 03

  Trump accounts, I'm giving $1,000 to the baby.

• 1:09:14Speaker 00

  Taxpayers are funding the free money?

• 1:09:17Speaker 03

  We're paying it ourselves.

• 1:09:19Speaker 00

  Well, I think that I think people are confused. Fifty percent of Americans don't pay tax. They pay three percent, but it's nothing. So this is now going from.

• 1:09:29Speaker 03

  They don't pay income tax because I feel like we still.

• 1:09:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, fair.

• 1:09:31Speaker 03

  We minimize sales taxes.

• 1:09:32Speaker 00

  Very fair point.

• 1:09:33Speaker 03

  They consume the most like, yes. Okay, let me restart this. I thought giving free money away to the citizens were bad. And that was socialist communist, we're gonna start eating babies. And now we're giving a thousand dollars to every kid. And we're high fiving and saying we saw the future.

• 1:09:48Speaker 00

  This is amazing. Okay, if this is sincere pushback.

• 1:09:53Speaker 03

  There is people calling it socialism. I'm being like.

• 1:09:55Speaker 00

  Okay, sure. So if we want to say that every dollar in tax is wealth redistribution, which is a very reasonable thing to say.

• 1:10:07Speaker 00

  I don't know anybody, maybe other than Michael Malice, that believes the answer is zero tax. And so if you want to say, okay, there are like a black belt, there are nine degrees of socialism. And Mumdani is a ninth Dan black belt. And I am a third ranked black belt. Okay, sure. Because yes, I'm not looking for zero percent government. I'm looking for a mechanistic solution to our problems. One of our problems is that because we have a central bank and because our politicians are unhinged, because we vote for it. But because of all of that, we steal from everybody and we only give back to,

• 1:10:50Speaker 00

  the mechanism only gives back to people that own assets. And so therefore must get people owning assets. I don't have a problem with that. Where I have a problem is where people don't recognize that the prosperity engine is capitalism. And every free markets, more aptly, every degree you move away from that is a distortion that causes problems. And so there's, for instance, when you eat, you're running cycles in your body. And the reason that you can freeze somebody and for like ninety minutes or whatever, and you can unthaw them and they actually survive. And it's like, how the fuck is that possible?

• 1:11:34Speaker 00

  It's possible because you stop the body's metabolism. When you stop the metabolism, the cells can't degrade. So when you eat, you are, even if you're eating a healthy diet, you're forcing metabolism to happen. The system is degrading over time and you're aging. So is the solution, don't eat? No, because you're just gonna die from something else. You're gonna die a hell of a lot faster. So I'm just saying, you can't organize in groups this big without a government. Once you have a government, somebody has to fund the government. And so you're in a situation, just like you are with food, where you have to be disciplined. You want to take some in taxes. You want to curb the free market in some ways because very powerful people that are very good at playing that game will become parasitic. And so you want to put checks against that.

• 1:12:19Speaker 00

  But those checks can go wrong. And so the reason that, I think it was Franklin said, you have a republic if you can keep it, is he understood what they were asking us to do was to walk this tight balancing act. And where you tax a little bit, but not too much. You regulate a little bit, but not too much. And so if people wanna try to be right and get a gotcha and say, ah, I knew what these motherfuckers like. They were socialist all along. Or these dumb asses don't realize that they're socialist. Like whatever thing, whatever emotional satisfaction they get from saying that. It's like, yeah, that's kindergarten, schoolyard, like retardation. And if they want to retard max, that's totally up to them. But I would advise against it.

• 1:13:02Speaker 00

  And I would say, look at the cause and effect. What are you saying? Anarchy and we just, people hoard as much money as they want. And if you can get them to voluntarily interact with you, do it. Or do we want to say, hmm, probably good that we have defense. So now we're already taking money for collective defense. Probably do want a fire department. Yeah, that's good. Oh, but by the way, as a reminder, the only reason we have tax revenue in the fucking first place is because of free market capitalism, creating things that people want. And that allows us to make money literally out of thin air, whether they're seashells, glass beads, dollars, gold, doesn't matter what you use. But what you're actually doing is creating things of value in proportion to the amount of glass beads that you have.

• 1:13:47Speaker 00

  And so as long as that is working, your economy functions and it can grow literally with no limit. And the second you fuck up that ratio, you have a problem. And I'm just saying, it's very hard to stop people from fucking up that ratio. But my solution is not zero taxes.

• 1:14:05Speaker 03

  So we just need like third degree socialism and not ninth degree socialism.

• 1:14:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, look, if, look, that's so.

• 1:14:10Speaker 03

  We got them, guys.

• 1:14:11Speaker 00

  The, the problem with that is then people will go, Tom is an admitted socialist. And it's like, okay, sure. Like if, if we want to play retarded games, we will get retarded prizes. And that is, people have the right to do whatever they want. But that really is retard maxing. And I don't understand why people want to play that game. It's like, really, really for real. So this, the number one complaint about me will go something like this. This guy's an idiot. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

• 1:14:41Speaker 00

  Cool. Which part? So I will routinely reply in the comments. And by the way, Ryan, you, I certainly check. But if you guys ever see a reply that's thoughtful, send it to me. I want to know. I want to be at the interface of cause and effect so that I can make my own life better. And it just so happens that I like being a part of a big group. And so I'm all for a nice, stable society. So I'm trying to figure out where I'm wrong. I know I'm wrong somewhere. It's just very hard to identify. So if somebody really sees it. But anyway, the, the attacks on me are almost always like that. They're not enunciating, okay, he has this fact wrong. With the exception, shout out to some of our, the people that do super chats, they've been phenomenal.

• 1:15:25Speaker 00

  But the more specific they can be about what they think I'm getting wrong, the better, and people are almost never specific.

• 1:15:32Speaker 03

  I got, I got two things for you. One person has come out and said, okay, ask him if he thinks that owning a piece of intel is owning a piece of the means of production.

• 1:15:40Speaker 00

  So yeah, that would be a fool's errand. The, the last thing you want to do, for the same reason that Drew does not want to see the Fed deciding what companies live and die, you don't want the government to invest in specific companies. You want them to invest in a criteria. So if a company meets this criteria, then we buy it. We buy it in these proportions. That way, we don't care if a company falls off. If a new one replaces it, doesn't matter to us. But the interventions that we're going to pull as a government are going to be to create the economic environment where companies can thrive and meet those criteria. That, that's great. And if that criteria is about innovation, US dominance, things like growth, life expectancy extension.

• 1:16:25Speaker 00

  I mean, there's, we can put together a group of things that we like really care about. We really want to see companies that meet that. You want to keep that list as light as fucking possible because it will get abused. Just look at the anti-fat stuff that people did that killed generations of people far too early. But anyway, so when you are doing that, now you've got a chance. But when you're investing in intel specifically, you create zombie companies. And a zombie company is a company that isn't actually able to survive in the real marketplace, but you kill off competition. You either kill off competition for people, you kill off competition for capital or both. And so that's where you run into trouble. That's exactly what Japan did.

• 1:17:09Speaker 00

  That's why they're now just absolutely riddled with zombie companies. That's what is going to increasingly happen under Trump, who seems hell bent to invest in specific companies, which is fucking stupid. He needs to stop immediately. Yeah, that one's dumb, no matter who does it. No matter what company they invest in. Don't do it for SpaceX AI. That would be really dumb. Don't do it for Amazon. These are great companies, but don't do it for them. That'd be really dumb. Don't do it for Intel, where they are doing it. So I get there are going to be industries that we want to make sure are able to thrive in America, manufacturing being the most obvious. But you still don't want to invest in specific companies. That doesn't mean you don't make grants available and people don't take advantage of those grants. Someone, that's why you made the grant available.

• 1:17:54Speaker 00

  Someone is going to take advantage of that. But that grant needs to be available to anybody. And then whoever wins, wins. But yeah, you, you want to avoid picking winners because you will do a terrible job of it.

• 1:18:07Speaker 03

  I have one more for you.

• 1:18:10Speaker 03

  I guess this is a scale conversation. They're saying you spent an hour and a half on Mumdani's speech. And then you should do like an hour and a half on handing out free money is bad and socialist. Like you did with Mamdani's speech.

• 1:18:23Speaker 00

  I don't understand why.

• 1:18:24Speaker 03

  Cause Mamdani's speech, you were talking about all the bad things that can possibly happen if this ideology.

• 1:18:29Speaker 00

  But why do they need the like same amount of time? I don't understand.

• 1:18:33Speaker 03

  Cause it's basically like you have that same energy on one side. You need that same energy on the other side.

• 1:18:37Speaker 00

  On which side? So wait, they want me to do an hour and a half on Trump shouldn't invest in intel? Is that what they're saying?

• 1:18:44Speaker 03

  And the free money, the free, the Trump accounts is free money and it's socialist and we need to stop paying people.

• 1:18:49Speaker 00

  And they want to hear me talk about that, even though I'm for it, they want to hear me talk about it for an hour and a half?

• 1:18:53Speaker 03

  It's one of those things where you said socialism is always these bad things. Once you start giving people money, you're going to remove the incentive. I, I think they're having a trouble differentiating the line between this is an ideology that I think leads to something bad. And then when actual policies, intel owning the means of production, Trump handing out free money, the things that actually are socialist in practice. Whereas to your own admission, Mamdani's free things haven't even made it to the budget yet. It doesn't get that same level of scrutiny.

• 1:19:22Speaker 00

  Okay, so.

• 1:19:23Speaker 03

  I'm trying, I'm trying to read their mind. I'm, I'm.

• 1:19:25Speaker 00

  Welcome to the, the channel. It's wonderful to have a new visitor here. Um, I've talked about this before. I gave an extended tirade as to why you're always going to get me more animated talking about somebody who's a socialist versus somebody like Trump who is trying to get the, um, industry going roaring, ripping and roaring, who is making a mistake by investing in a given company, probably doing it because it holds some advantage to him somewhere. I don't see it with intel, but I'll just assume that it's there. That's bad. We should talk about it. I have talked about it. I'll put time and energy into that for sure, because it is bad regardless of who is doing it. But if you want to understand why I fear the left more, their death toll

• 1:20:10Speaker 00

  is ideologically driven, is the only way that that can terminate, has been run everywhere through all of time. And that's where it ends. They are saying aggressively, they are socialist, they want to do that. They have a litany of things that they are doing that is, um, horrific. Then you've got over here, you've got Trump trying to create a system upon which he can be a parasite. But he's trying to create the system that works in terms of being an engine of prosperity. Now there are things that I think that he's going to do that will make it work less efficiently. But my mental model of Trump is he wants industry to thrive.

• 1:20:51Speaker 00

  Now, if you think that Trump doesn't want industry to thrive and he is also trying to um, make sure that the government controls everything that we want to get rid of the free markets. And we want to, um, make sure that the, to use the language of socialist, we want to make sure that the workers are able to come in and take over these companies. The people that are making money are doing something intrinsically evil, that billionaires shouldn't even exist. If that's your mental model of Trump, then I don't recognize that. So I'm going to call out the things that he's doing that are going to fuck things up. I'm going to say that nice and aggressively, but they are not the litany of ideologically driven

• 1:21:35Speaker 00

  uh, catastrophes that I see on the left. Now I understand that that's not going to be everybody's cup of tea and there are going to be people that build a mental model. This is part of why I think that doing the show with Drew and Ryan, quite frankly, uh, works, if you guys will grant me that, as well as it does, they don't have the same mental model of the world as I do. And so they are constantly reminding me that there's another way to see this. So if you resonate with somebody that's like, yo, I just want to tell you about how bad Trump is. By the way, Destiny, I think is phenomenal at this. So Destiny is very smart. I think he's very sincere. I disagree with him on the vast majority of his views. But I'm very glad that the world has him and that you can go, because he is

• 1:22:20Speaker 00

  way more afraid of the right than he is of the left. And I'm way more afraid of the left than I am of the right. So, um, yeah, you're never, I'm not going to fake the, um, level of fear that I have, but I think it's very reasonable of you at home to go, ah, I gotta balance this out with somebody that's as afraid of the right. That seems very reasonable to me. And my advice to you is then build your own mental model. What, meaning be able to say it to yourself. What are the base assumptions? Like what I just walked you through with why I'm not as afraid of Trump, even though I think he does really dumb shit and I would like him to immediately stop doing it. And if you give me a viable candidate that is better than him, I will vote for them in a fucking second. Uh, versus my thinking on the left and I will keep articulating it. Um, I think

• 1:23:05Speaker 00

  you probably have a base assumption that people that speak into a microphone are swaying the world, which is very reasonable. And you're worried that we should be more afraid of the right than the left. And therefore each person needs to spend more time on that or they need to spend equal time on, anyway, I'm going to stop there, but um, I don't share that base assumption. But if you can become a far more elevated human than I by combining people that view these, um, issues very differently. Godspeed.

• 1:23:40Speaker 03

  Last but not least, um, this is a personal thing, but I think this is something that you talk to very well. So I'm bringing it up. They said last week when we were talking about wage death and all this other stuff, you told them to just quit their job. That their, their county was low.

• 1:23:57Speaker 00

  Rather say it like this, find another job. It isn't just quit.

• 1:24:01Speaker 03

  But get another job.

• 1:24:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, take your talents elsewhere.

• 1:24:04Speaker 03

  They listed a bunch of reasons why they couldn't get another job. They do to restrictions in their county and their state and local politics, whatever it may be. So a lot of times it's like the market that the job market that was thriving when you were an active job seeker is a different market than we see now. We have people who have been searching for jobs for a year plus is like the norm default has been moved up. LinkedIn, indeed, all these things that have tried to make that process easier. A lot of them are ghost jobs and not actually being filled. So the job market itself is a little bit different and it's no longer just go to that office and give them your resume and show them how hard of a worker you are.

• 1:24:38Speaker 00

  Brian, I'm fifty. So I've seen two thousand and eight. Uh, I was trying to start a company in two thousand and nine. So this was like fucking brutal. And nonetheless, we, we talked about it. It was like, okay, well, we can make excuses and no one will fault us for it. Or we can say, and now what? Uh, I'm going to have to work harder. It's going to be harder to get capital, all that stuff, but you either overcome the obstacles before you or you don't. That doesn't mean I don't have empathy for things being harder for some people than others. That is for sure true. Um, the thing that I have the most empathy for is somebody that just doesn't have the intellect to pull it off. That is fucking brutal.

• 1:25:22Speaker 00

  Um, clearly if I had the intellect that I wanted, I'd be much farther along in life than I am. Uh, but I've been dealt the hand of cards that I've been dealt. And so my job is to figure out how with the talents that I have. Uh, how far can I push myself? How much can I develop myself? So you're 50% hardwired, 50%. Um, what you do with that hardwiring. And so all of us are trapped in some way by our biology. All of us are products of our time. I get all of that. But the reality is if you just, because we're still in the middle of the world cup, I'll use that as an analogy. You're on the pitch, on the world cup, uh, and you're either going to win or lose. And no one's coming to save you. This is it. And there are excuses that you can take. I get it.

• 1:26:05Speaker 00

  And if you take them, people will be like, yeah, it was just, there was no way for the US to win, for instance. Um, okay. Or you can look at that and go, all right, well, uh, we didn't make it this year because we have not had a soccer culture as long as some of the Europeans, even though the best we've ever done in the world cup was 1930. Um, and but for whatever reason, that culture fell off. And so kids didn't grow up revering it. So they didn't grow up training. So we don't have the right coaches. We don't have the right financial incentives to make the team what it could be and all of that stuff. And the MLS is weak compared to the rest of the world. And so we don't have the training ground for the talent and all that. All of those things are real, but they're also completely fucking irrelevant.

• 1:26:49Speaker 00

  And so you either figure out a way to overcome those things or you're forever trapped. Again, there, there is a real moment where everybody realizes their life is not going to be what they thought it was going to be, myself included. And how you react in that moment is going to determine the quality of your life. If you let that be the most devastating thing that ever happened, or you just go, cool, well, I'm going to have as much fun as I can playing this game. And I will say, when I audit people's lives, they often leave a lot of optimization on the table. So I can obviously give this speech from a very dickhead place. I am actively not feeling that vibe right now. So I will just say, look,

• 1:27:33Speaker 00

  we all have the same amount of hours in the day. We all have different abilities, but everybody can get a hundred times better. And so if you're struggling to find a job, imagine pouring yourself over the next year or two into getting a hundred times better at your job than you are today. The odds that you will be able to get a job go up dramatically. And when I think about how much time I put in just to understanding the economy, it's hours a day, seven days a week. So now it's like, I've gotten better. And if you apply that to whatever, whether you're a marketer or a salesperson, customer support, whatever, I think you will be shocked.

• 1:28:16Speaker 00

  Basically, nobody does that. Almost nobody is trying to get better at their job. And if you just put time and energy into becoming the GOAT of accounting, whatever your thing is, you will be shocked at the opportunities that open up for you. As somebody that interviews all the time, I have conducted well over 1,500 interviews to this point. That's a lot. It might not sound like a lot, but that's a lot. And when you really start, um, putting the patterns together, you realize the vast majority of people come in, they can't interview for shit. Uh, they're not actually very good at their job. And that when you find somebody with even the slightest spark, it, it's like, oh my God. So be that person, be the one with the spark.

• 1:28:54Speaker 03

  All right, we need to.

• 1:28:55Speaker 04

  I have the Trump account thing from earlier. I was going to add a qualifier because you hit all the points. But, um, the one thousand goes in for, I don't know if y'all mentioned it specifically, but for people between, born between 2025 and 2028.

• 1:29:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:08Speaker 03

  Uh, just newborns.

• 1:29:09Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:29:09Speaker 03

  Um, so A, bro, hit it raw. You get a thousand dollars from Trump.

• 1:29:13Speaker 00

  Damn. True, though, and we do need more kids, so let's go.

• 1:29:17Speaker 03

  I just spoke to my good friend Mitch McConnell, um, so he's good, guys.

• 1:29:20Speaker 00

  Spent 20 minutes with him this morning?

• 1:29:21Speaker 03

  I spent 20 minutes talking to him.

• 1:29:22Speaker 00

  Nice.

• 1:29:22Speaker 03

  He says he's all good. He told me to bring his regards. Um, he's gonna cook you some barbecue when you get back to Kentucky.

• 1:29:27Speaker 00

  Can't wait.

• 1:29:27Speaker 03

  He loves your, um, roadside chats and he just cherishes them.

• 1:29:31Speaker 00

  Understand.

• 1:29:32Speaker 03

  Are we really doing this? Cause this is kinda like the platner thing. Like, remember when everybody was on news on CNN? What? I just talked about it. He's so sharp. He, yo, he memorized my aunt's birthday and he asked about my cousin's twice removed. He's the smartest person. Like, we're doing the same thing, right?

• 1:29:47Speaker 00

  If he was well, they would just show him.

• 1:29:50Speaker 03

  Or just talk to him.

• 1:29:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, like. For 20 minutes. Yeah, like, put, have him livestream for 20 minutes and then I'll believe it. Like, this shit is so wild. Politicians are a fucking mess. Uh, I, yeah, I continue to love, uh, Thomas Massey. When he did that thing, so tell me, uh, why, uh, you like gay porn? Like, I was like, wait, what, what, what? Uh, I just thought that was fucking brilliant. Uh, so Massey was trolling today with the same thing. So many people are claiming to talk to Mitch McConnell. Um, I don't know that he's brain dead. Obviously, I don't have any insider information whatsoever, but the fact that they're keeping him hidden and have been for like three weeks now.

• 1:30:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:28Speaker 00

  Uh, and there's something super weird that if, so his wife, like 72 hours or something after he had this heart attack or whatever it was that required CPR, he had to be resuscitated, resuscitated. She ended up going to China to meet with like a VP in China. I was like, what? So that shit is crazy. If my wife did that, I would be mortified. Uh, so yeah, I have a feeling this is just straight down the middle. They've gotta keep him alive until like August 18th or something. I forget the exact date. But if they keep him alive until then, then there's no special election, uh, and they can just pick the candidate that they wanna see in the primary and that'll be that.

• 1:31:08Speaker 03

  And it's Kentucky. Thomas Massey's like, is eligible to get that run for that seat.

• 1:31:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:31:12Speaker 03

  They're trying to keep Massey out.

• 1:31:14Speaker 00

  Dude, so wild. God, that'd be awesome if he got back in.

• 1:31:16Speaker 03

  That would be great.

• 1:31:17Speaker 00

  That would tempt me to believe in God.

• 1:31:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:19Speaker 00

  I was like, oh, really? Oh, really?

• 1:31:21Speaker 03

  Hey Mitch, it's that time. Hey Mitch, it's that time.

• 1:31:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:31:23Speaker 03

  But that's crazy. You needed CPR and your wife hopped on a 17 hour flight.

• 1:31:26Speaker 00

  That's wild.

• 1:31:27Speaker 03

  I'm like, I can understand if she went from like DC to Kentucky.

• 1:31:30Speaker 00

  To come home.

• 1:31:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, like something, but, oh, you're, you're going to the hospital? I'll be back in 17 hours in three different time zones? Come on, man.

• 1:31:38Speaker 00

  That's crazy.

• 1:31:39Speaker 03

  It fixes it. I'm not going for MTG though. She's calling her a Chinese spy. I don't know anything about his wife. I'm not gonna, you know, allegedly.

• 1:31:46Speaker 00

  That's best, yeah.

• 1:31:46Speaker 03

  I like electronics. I don't want nothing to blow up on me.

• 1:31:48Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:31:48Speaker 03

  Um, but I would say there's, when there's smoke, there's fire. So there's definitely some.

• 1:31:53Speaker 00

  It's weird. No matter what, it's weird.

• 1:31:55Speaker 03

  There's some politicking happening over there. Um, speaking of, it's weird, let's talk about these Tyler Robinson preliminary hearings.

• 1:32:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:32:01Speaker 03

  Uh, okay, so there's somebody in the chat who's been trolling me for like the last like two weeks. I haven't even been here. It was my daughter's birthday, guys. Like, I'm sorry I can't be here every day. I'm the only one on the set with kids. Y'all don't understand my plight. So I'm not, everybody thought I got fired on Monday. Everybody was trolling me in the chat. I'm like, this is cool. I just, I have a 15 year old. She requires a lot of attention.

• 1:32:19Speaker 00

  Rightly so. And by the way, I could not support that more if I tried. Uh, and I have said this to you off camera. I am so grateful for you raising your child well. It's incredible. She was dope, so.

• 1:32:30Speaker 03

  I appreciate that.

• 1:32:31Speaker 00

  Man, for sure.

• 1:32:32Speaker 03

  Our handshake has added another, um, layer. I don't know if I told you guys this. Uh, ever since she turned into a teenager, we had like a secret handshake growing up. For every teenage year, we add like another like layer to it. So it was her birthday. We added a new layer. I'm excited for it.

• 1:32:45Speaker 00

  Let's go.

• 1:32:45Speaker 03

  When she's 19, our handshake's gonna be like two hours. I'm so excited for it. Um, but okay, I have to play some of these videos that we've seen online. Now, preliminary hearings, they're talking through the evidence. They're trying to see what's admitted, what's not admitted. We still don't have a full breadth of knowledge. There's still a lot of things that need to be admitted, but there are just some very interesting things that the defense is pointing out that they wanna make sure is laid out on the record. This is something I think we both talked about. Um, this is the defense talking about the decision to pave the crime scene.

• 1:33:16Speaker 05

  I wanna go back if I can to the scene, um, the scene itself, the preservation of the actual scene where the, um, where Mr. Kirk passed. Um, did you all have canine dogs at any point that sniffed that area?

• 1:33:32Speaker 06

  I don't know specifically that area, but I do know that canines were present or a canine was present on the day.

• 1:33:37Speaker 05

  But you don't know what task the canine was given?

• 1:33:40Speaker 06

  My understanding was that it may have been used in an effort to track an individual that had jumped off the roof, but I don't know for certain.

• 1:33:48Speaker 05

  And obviously that didn't produce any results or we would have heard about that, right?

• 1:33:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, not that I was made aware of.

• 1:33:54Speaker 05

  Okay. Um.

• 1:33:58Speaker 05

  Were, do you know when the tent and the stuff was actually removed from the scene?

• 1:34:07Speaker 06

  I don't. I would imagine it had been at least a couple of days, if not longer than that, before anything was removed from the scene.

• 1:34:15Speaker 05

  You didn't have to give permission to remove the tent?

• 1:34:19Speaker 06

  Me, personally? No, no.

• 1:34:21Speaker 05

  So you're not sure when it was removed?

• 1:34:23Speaker 06

  Nope.

• 1:34:24Speaker 05

  Um, and were you involved in the decision to pave over the dirt that was under the tent?

• 1:34:31Speaker 06

  A UVU?

• 1:34:31Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 1:34:32Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:34:33Speaker 05

  Did you know that happened?

• 1:34:34Speaker 06

  Only because it was in the news.

• 1:34:36Speaker 05

  All right. But you don't know when or who ordered that?

• 1:34:39Speaker 06

  Nope.

• 1:34:40Speaker 00

  So who's that guy?

• 1:34:42Speaker 03

  Lead investigator. The agent leading the investigation.

• 1:34:45Speaker 00

  So, okay, this is all gonna come out in trial. Is he with the FBI or is he with the Utah Police?

• 1:34:51Speaker 03

  I don't know. Let's check.

• 1:34:52Speaker 00

  So that'll be an interesting thing because if the, they're calling him the lead investigator, if he was the lead investigator for the Utah Police, but there's an FBI guy that has the answers to all this stuff, awesome. Um, but that, that's gonna be something people need to account for. The fact that they paved over that is so insane to me, but just to go back and start at the beginning. So, um, Tyler Robinson is doing the pre-trial hearing part of what he's doing now. But the thing to me that's interesting far more than the details that are coming out is the conspiracy theories that are being kicked off. Uh, and we're just getting started. Now, again, this, this isn't the trial, but despite that, the algorithms are like funneling people

• 1:35:32Speaker 00

  into either a, look, there's nothing to see here funnel, or, uh, uh, it seems like dodgy funnel. And I didn't even realize that until Drew and I, Drew was telling me what he was seeing. I was telling him what I was seeing and I'm in the, like, there's nothing to see here, uh, camp apparently, and Drew's like in the, no, this is all, like, this is all fake camp. So it was pretty wild. So just as a public service announcement, remember to wildly distrust your algorithm to constantly seek disconfirming evidence. Very, very important. But this week in the, um, it's a five day preliminary hearing. And when they get to the actual trial, you're gonna see a lot more experts. You're gonna see people putting forward,

• 1:36:15Speaker 00

  um, all the like data, walking people through it step by step by step. So don't think that what you're seeing in the preliminary, um, shows like a lack of intensity or anything for, um, what the prosecution is gonna look like, or for that matter, what the defense is gonna look like. Um, all of this is just a warm up so that the judge can assess whether there's reasonable grounds to try Tyler Robinson for the murder of Charlie Kirk. Now, people are estimating that basically the likelihood of this not going forward is essentially zero. So this is more or less perfunctory. We are going to see this trial move forward. The state's case, which represents the, there's nothing to see here camp. This is exactly what it looks like, goes something like this.

• 1:36:55Speaker 00

  Surveillance video allegedly shows Robinson arriving on campus about four hours before the shooting, returning multiple times, climbing over a railing onto a rooftop overlooking Kirk's event. You've got DNA consistent with Robinson's, uh, that was found on the rifle, the fired casing and the towel that it was wrapped in. Prosecutors say that he confessed in a note to his roommate, who was also his romantic partner. I think everybody knows that. And he confessed again on Discord. The roommate, Lance Twigs, gave a sworn recorded statement in April in exchange for limited immunity. And in that, he says Robinson confessed to the killing, confessed that he hid the rifle and he confessed that he destroyed his clothing

• 1:37:36Speaker 00

  and that he told, uh, Lawrence specifically to be silent with the police. And then there are texts back and forth that back it up. And when asked, Twig, uh, sorry, when Twigs was asked, to Tyler Robinson, he said, you weren't the one that did it, right? And then Robinson allegedly replied, I am, I'm sorry. And then charging documents say he further implied, implied, though, and this is the prosecution's own words, that he further implied guilt to his own parents before surrendering. And when his parents asked him why he killed Kirk, and this is why they say it was implied, because he doesn't challenge the, um, context of the question. He doesn't say, I didn't kill him. What do you mean?

• 1:38:17Speaker 00

  He just gives an answer and he said that Kirk was spreading too much hate. So his parents directly ask him, why did you kill him? And he gives an answer, which is he was spreading too much hate. So he didn't say to them, I killed him. But obviously it really is pretty strongly implied. The prosecution is saying that this is a slam dunk case, but the defense disagrees. They note that the initial ballistics testing on the bullet fragment that was actually pulled from Kirk's body came back inconclusive and could not be matched to the rifle. Now, this is a big part of what fueled the second shooter hypothesis. And some people are even saying that this was a staged death. Uh, that's sweeping, uh, the land.

• 1:38:57Speaker 00

  On cross-examination on Monday, the first officer on the scene admitted nothing found that day specifically identified Tyler Robinson as a shooter or identified any shooter, uh, any specific person that would be the shooter. The lead investigator, David Hull, further confirmed that an unfired round was found on the roof of a different building. Uh, he couldn't say which building, when it was found, or where that bullet is now, only that investigators believe an officer ejected it while clearing his own rifle. Um, so. These kinds of things are the type of things that are getting people going that I think are going to be cleared up when we're actually in the trial and you have individual experts

• 1:39:39Speaker 00

  that are meant to cover very specific parts of the case. So it's like you bring in the guy that knows where that shell is now, or you bring in the guy that knows when things were cemented over, who made the decision, that kind of stuff. So I don't think we know one way or the other yet, what this is all going to look like. But it is interesting that no shell casings were found on the rooftop where Tyler supposedly had his sniper's pad, but they say it was found in the gun and that bolt action rifles don't automatically eject them, but you can get what people are starting to put together. There is a casing found on, or a bullet found on another rooftop. There isn't one on the rooftop that he was on. You sort of get what people are queuing off of. At least two other firearms apparently

• 1:40:20Speaker 00

  turned up at the scene. So gonna need answers as to what that means. Then you've got that this is, this always drives me crazy. The first officer's body cam died while he was on the rooftop. Isn't that convenient? And Hull, the first, sorry, the lead investigator admitted, he never interviewed two witnesses whose own rooftop video allegedly showed someone whose bill doesn't match Tyler Robinson. So why the hell would he not investigate them? Are we going to find out that somebody else did and it just wasn't him? Or are we going to find out that, oh, they didn't think that it was credible for some reason? Who knows? But that's weird. Even the FBI's, and I should say, it's weird, given what we know now, in the fullness of the trial, it may not be weird at all, but it certainly, I

• 1:41:03Speaker 00

  understand why people have a hard time with that one right now. Even the FBI's DNA analyst conceded her report names Robinson only as a possible contributor, not a confirmed source. But you see these kinds of questions all the time where it's like, yes, I can't tell you that it's exactly him, but it will come down to percentages. Was this like a 98% match, which makes it highly unlikely that it's anybody else? Was this a 42% match? In which case, maybe it's far more questionable. And that's the kind of stuff that when you actually get into like the fullness of the trial, you'll have people testifying specifically about percentages and what they mean and all of that. Well, we can take away from it. So again, this is just preliminary. So I wouldn't expect any of this stuff to,

• 1:41:47Speaker 00

  people that are taking this and running with it, I think are going way too far. So just keep that in mind. Now, the defense also accused prosecutors of running a media tour to try to basically taint the jury pool. And the judge refused to make Robinson's roommate testify in the pre-trial hearing. So that's only recorded statements because apparently hearsay is actually allowed at this stage in the trial, which you didn't realize, but hey, there you go. Robinson still hasn't entered a plea. So we don't know if he's going to say he was guilty, not guilty, don't know. I imagine they hold off on that till they get some more of the cards put on the table during the pre-trial. So it'll be interesting to see what comes out of this. So again, he hasn't said one way or the other. Prosecutors

• 1:42:28Speaker 00

  are pursuing the death penalty. So obviously this is very high stakes. And like I said at the beginning, the odds of this go through are basically 100%. So stay tuned, we'll cover this as we go. But there's, I don't think anything obvious on either side was presented at trial. So we'll see.

• 1:42:48Speaker 03

  We shall see, indeed. Weird way to start an investigation. I would say that.

• 1:42:52Speaker 00

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