Pod Insights The Impact Theory Podcast Obama Accused of Treason, Zelensky Faces Uprising, Hunter Biden Unleashed & Macron Declares War on X | The Tom Bilyeu Show About this episode Tom Bilyeu and co-host Producer Drew dive headfirst into some of the most controversial and thought-provoking stories making headlines right now. From Tulsi Gabbard’s explosive accusations against Barack Obama and the ongoing debate over prosecuting former presidents, to massive protests shaking Ukraine and the precarious state of global democracy, no topic is off limits.
We’ll also unpack the UK’s dystopian carbon credit experiments, the ever-expanding power struggle between governments and tech platforms like X (formerly Twitter), and Hunter Biden’s wild new media strategy. Plus, Tom breaks down why AI’s rapid growth under innovators like Elon Musk could reshape everything about our lives—and how you should be preparing for the future.
SHOWNOTES
00:00 Claims of Coup Against Trump
08:41 Dangerous Consequences of Righteous Indignation
18:44 Aggressive Negotiator's Sanction Strategy
26:16 Diet Lies and Drug Dependencies
34:05 "Rant Against Celebrity Political Critique"
42:20 "Tombstone Insights: Humility & Experience"
57:00 Gaming Innovation: Rapid Advancement
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1:38 Tom Bilyeu? DNI Tulsi Gabbard is calling Obama out for treason. Zelensky is facing large protests in Ukraine. The UK is doing a nightmarish test of individual carbon credits. Hunter Biden goes completely rogue on Channel 5. France declares X an organized gang and starts wiretapping their employees. The far right looked completely unhinged on a recent episode of Jubilee Debate. And Elon plans to build a 50 million unit supercluster, AI of course, in the next five years. That would be insane, but the thing that is on absolutely everybody's lips, Drew, is, is Obama gonna go to prison?
2:19 Speaker 02 Prison might be a stretch, but Tulsi Gabbard went on the Fox News Channel circuit. She released some damning evidence that directly puts it at Obama's feet, that he started the Russian collusion hoax.
2:31 Tom Bilyeu? As a way to undermine the Trump presidency.
2:34 Speaker 03 The fact that we had in President Obama and his leadership team,
2:40 Speaker 03 people who did not want to accept the will of the American people in electing Donald Trump in 2016, and therefore cooked up this treasonous conspiracy to again, try to effectively, and they did effectively launch a years-long coup against the sitting president of the United States.
2:57 Tom Bilyeu? There are no guarantees in life, but if you put Obama in prison, guilty or not, you are going to spike your odds of a civil war so dramatically. Prosecute the case. You prove to the American people that this either really did happen, or they get a chance to clear their name. But let's say that it's a conviction, like obviously, he did it, everybody's convinced. You don't put him in prison. At that point, for the love of your country, you've got to destroy his legacy for sure. You've got to make it known what he did, for sure.
3:38 Tom Bilyeu? But dude, you've got to find some way where this man does not end up in a cell. Like that is so wild. And if people cannot see, one, that the odds that the people of America just start fighting with each other, they're already blind. But two, that is going to be used against you when you lose power, and you will lose power at some point, and they are going to come after you so hard. And then it goes from seeming existential to literally being existential. And it's like, every time I turn around, there's just another thing, whether it's passing the big beautiful bill and continuing to rack up the debt, or now this,
4:19 Tom Bilyeu? or the fact if they really did do it, if the Obama administration really is guilty of trying to sabotage President Trump's presidency, like this is so out of pocket.
4:33 Tom Bilyeu? This is not end wall.
4:35 Speaker 02 I understand maintaining the integrity of, you know, democracy and not jailing a president. But I have a supercut here of how much they perpetuated this statement. So it seems like some consequences have to fall. This is from 2016 and 2019 when Trump was running.
4:49 Speaker 04 Russia hacking the election to elect Trump is the end of our democracy. Votes were definitely affected. Russia hacked the election to tilt it to Mr. Trump. The Russians definitively hacked the election. Russia did hack the election. No doubt, the Russians hacked the election. Yes, Russia hacked the election. Fact, Russia hacked the election. President-elect Donald Trump still not sounding convinced that Russia hacked the election.
5:13 Speaker 05 The president does not want to come to terms with the fact that the Russians hacked the election. President Trump says he still wonders if, if the Russians hacked the election.
5:22 Speaker 06 If you can get him to accept that Russia hacked the election, see if you can get him to accept who won the civil war.
5:28 Speaker 07 If he admits it, it casts a shadow on his victory over Hillary Clinton.
5:31 Speaker 05 Russia hacked the election. Russia hacked the election.
5:35 Speaker 07 Russia hacked the election.
5:37 Speaker 05 Russia hacked the election.
5:38 Tom Bilyeu? This is literally like the Jews and the Palestinians. They're never going to agree on who fired the first shot. It's just back and forth as far as the eye can see. Everybody's going to have a claim on something going back, back, back, back, back. Eventually, somebody has to say, I mean, I cannot believe I'm going to quote Jesus again. But at some point, somebody has to turn the other cheek. At some point, somebody has to say, all right, listen, clearly there has to be a line. We can never allow this again. But you're going to perpetuate this cycle, which I am so desperate to get America out of. And I realize with every deep dive I write, with everything I go down the path, dude, there is something pulling me towards getting America to back away from the hyperpolarization, trying to mechanistically unwind that, to get people to understand what you do to bring back a thriving middle class.
6:23 Tom Bilyeu? If we can't get everybody protected at the level of policy, to act like there's policy at the level of the individual. So at least people that are paying attention can do something about it. This, and I know I'm going to get drugged because people are going to say that he, if... If he did it, he should go to jail. It was just as absurd when they were doing it to Trump. It's just as absurd now. We have to pull the facts out, have total transparency on this, have total transparency on Epstein. Like, it all needs to be out and let the chips fall where they may. But leveraging all of this stuff to jail your opponent is how a nation commits suicide. This is so reckless.
7:05 Speaker 02 Us being in this pressure cooker of populism right now, is there a way to de-escalate that, to decompress it? How do we step off the gas without letting corruption run amok? Without, like, letting it be? Like, how do we get out of this moment?
7:20 Tom Bilyeu? People have to look forward and see positive economics. If you do that, the amount of tension that goes away is extreme.
7:27 Speaker 02 We just need, the people need to feel better about the...
7:30 Tom Bilyeu? People need to feel that the pie is getting bigger. Because right now, a big thing that we're fighting over is the pie feels very small. There are people getting iced out, which they are right about. They're wrong about why they're getting iced out, but they are right that they are getting iced out. That scares people, man. They've got kids to take care of. They are freaked, they are legitimately freaked out that they are not going to be able to take care of their kids. With as much money as I have, when I project out having a kid, I can feel how different that makes everything. Like, all of a sudden, it's like, oh my God, I don't mind if I go homeless. I don't mind if I go hungry. But there's no universe in which I'm letting my kid go hungry. So now you've got everybody on both sides legitimately scared about that. They've racked up as much debt as they're going to be able to rack up. Groceries are getting more expensive. They can't afford the house they're in, or they can't afford the house that they want to get.
8:15 Tom Bilyeu? I mean, it's, it actually is dire. And so then you're given this ready-made drama of red team, blue team, left and right. And you're like, cool, I now feel like I belong. I have somebody to hate. I didn't do anything wrong. I'm not the bad guy. They're the bad guy. They did this to me. I'm in my feels, and it feels good. Righteous indignation is a power emotion. We need that level of morality to find its way into the political system.
8:47 Speaker 02 President Zelensky is gonna have to use some of that advice because there's been an uprising in Kiev where there have been mass protests that erupted. So, a new policy was signed into law that targeted the independence of Ukraine's anti-corruption bodies, including the National Anti-Corruption Bureau, that was made infamous with Joe Biden's threats against a prosecutor investigating Hunter Biden's corrupt activity at Brezha. The Ukrainian government is also becoming increasingly unpopular due to Zelensky's refusal to seek an end to the war. As you can see in this video down here, there's been mass protests, the largest organized protest since Russia first invaded Ukraine when they initially protested the border intrusion.
9:26 Tom Bilyeu? If you have to drag people out of their homes, snatch them off the streets, load them into vans to have enough soldiers to fight, you are in trouble and you're gonna have to find an exit to the war. If you're going to keep fighting long after your people have lost the will to fight and Zelensky wants to be the lion of Ukraine in the way that Churchill was the lion of Europe and literally, single-handedly stopped the Germans from just taking over everything, the right way to view Churchill is a man who did whatever it took to beat the Nazis, and I mean whatever it took.
10:11 Tom Bilyeu? And as modern-day people, we have a very hard time looking at the demands that history makes of people. And Churchill is this utterly fascinating character who was wildly amoral in service of the right value system. And so, he got voted out of office immediately following the war. So, his thank you for saving Europe was to get booted out and to basically say, "F off and that's that." I mean, really, really wild. But never did he try to stop the democratic process in the UK. Was like, yep, this is the process.
10:55 Tom Bilyeu? He once made a really catastrophic mistake when he, when he was in the Admiralty and during World War One. And he said, no BS, send me to the front line of World War One. So I can earn my way back. Dude, that imagine a politician like sending people in to die and then being like, okay, this was my mistake a hundred percent. I want to be sent to the most deadly place on earth right now. And I'm going to lead, I'm going to lead well, and I'm going to show you that I am physically courageous. That I will earn my spot back in this government and he does. And the soldiers on the front line become terrified of going on patrol with him because he was so fearless.
11:38 Tom Bilyeu? He didn't care, he would talk, he would walk like the perimeter. He got shot at multiple times and other people would dive because they would hear the bullets whizzing past. And he was like, if it's my time, it's my time, but like, I'm not going to be afraid. I'm not going to live my life like that. Dude, he's so singular, but he also ends up going, huh? The US, I'm not making any progress getting them into the war. I'm losing the backing, Europe is just falling one country after another. I'm obviously going to lose the homeland if I can't get America in. Even like everybody in the homeland, obviously this isn't going to be a cell that I can make forever. And he ends up allowing probably, probably allegedly like enough,
12:23 Tom Bilyeu? enough like top secret information has come out that I certainly believe the following statement to be true. But I do want to confess to the audience that this is contested. Not every historian agrees with what I'm about to say. But I believe that he allowed the Lusitania to be sunk, which had British and American civilians on it because he knew if he could get the Germans to sink a boat with US citizens on it, that America would turn on the war. And that's exactly what happened and they do. Like I could go into all the details about the Lusitania. But it was a passenger ship that they put like six million rounds of ammunition on.
13:05 Tom Bilyeu? They changed the motor structure and everything on the boat so that presumably so it could haul the weaponry. But that also changed its sonic signature in the water and they knew that it to a U-boat that it would sound like a military vessel. So the US does all of these things. Uh, the Germans tried to run an ad in the newspaper saying like, hey, some of these ships. Like they are intentionally trying to put you in harms way and these ships can and will be sunk because many of them are carrying munitions. One of those ads ran next to the Times for the Lusitania. So they tried, but the US, I think it was State Department, ended up stopping them from running all but one of the papers from running the ad.
13:48 Tom Bilyeu? So it was like Germany's trying to stop them because they know what's going on. The US State Department won't let them run the ads. It's like absolutely wild. They end up pulling the Lusitania's um. Chaperone. So there was supposed to be a ship to meet it. They pulled that even though they had knowledge that there were U-boats in the vicinity. They told the Lusitania to slow down. So they pull its chaperone. They know that there are U-boats and they tell it to slow down after changing the um. The motor style so that it would sound like a military vehicle and denied like crazy that it had the munitions on it. But however many decades later, divers go down. There it is. Six million rounds of ammunition.
14:30 Tom Bilyeu? So the odds that that was Churchill going, I gotta get me some Americans killed. From where I'm sitting, borders on a hundred percent. Now, when you look at history through that lens, when you look at Churchill through that lens. Now, look at what Zelensky's going through. Russia's invading. He's the lion of Ukraine. He's not a bad guy. He's trying to protect his people. He could have gotten out. He didn't. Instead of asking for a ride, he asked for ammunition. Like it's gangster.
15:06 Tom Bilyeu? But he's also willing to kidnap his own people to put him on the front line. God knows how much spin, lies, whatever, whatever, to try to continue to get funding for the war. Also refusing to do elections. Um, and so how are we going to look at Churchill? Some people are saying he's a bad guy and we should have just let Germany do what Germany does. And I hope we show the clip later from Jubilee where the kids like Nazis weren't so bad. I mean, I was really distressed by that. So if you believe as your Uncle Billy does, that Churchill was the good guy and the Nazis were the fucking bad guys, then it's like, when I look at what Zelensky is doing, I'm like,
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18:27 Speaker 02 Does Zelensky have like a Lusitania moment? Like, what can he do to rally the troops, get support? Because to your point, I feel like he's grasping for straws at this point.
18:35 Tom Bilyeu? I mean, honestly, Russia is doing that for us now. Trump is getting so frustrated with his inability to get Putin to be reasonable that he's just gonna fund them. He'll fund them out of spite. As long as he doesn't lose his base in the US, he will fund them out of spite. And I really think, the more I pay attention to Trump, I really think the way to like, look at him is A through the lens of Realpolitik, so he's gonna do whatever he can get away with, but once he can't get away with it, he'll stop. And then he is somebody who...
19:13 Tom Bilyeu? If he can negotiate a deal that through his very American, very entrepreneurial eyes is reasonable, then great, he'll forgive anything. He'd do a deal with North Korea, he'd do a deal with Russia the second the bomb stop, he'd do a deal with Hamas. I'm not kidding. Like, he would do a deal with anybody if he likes the terms and feels like everybody's gonna make out well on this. Uh, and I think that he will drop gigantic bombs on you if you don't agree to a deal that he considers reasonable. And so Russia's gonna FFO. He's gonna secondary sanction the life out of them, which means that you're sanctioning any country that does things.
19:57 Tom Bilyeu? So now, if you're China and you do something, you buy Russian oil that you're not supposed to, well, sanctions on China. So that, if you can get enough, like, if you got the whole G7 to do that, Yeah. you can do some real damage to Russia. And then I think if he still doesn't back down, he will drop, he'll give weapons right now, he'll give weapons to the EU, the EU will give them to Ukraine, but I mean, who are we fooling?
20:24 Speaker 02 The UK has just completed a test for carbon credits, and this Instagram influencer breaks it down.
20:31 Speaker 05 Check this out. The UK recently completed a carbon credit system trial that sets a daily allowance for each person. A little cap on your ability to travel, purchase food, clothing, and even heat your home, all rationed under the guise of saving the planet. Your daily carbon limit is capped at 40 kilograms of CO2, with food restricted to just 4 kilograms.
20:47 Tom Bilyeu? Pause it for a second. Okay, so, uh, America's in a fight for its soul for reasons that we've discussed many times. The world is in a fight for its soul from totalitarian control. That just is real. People believe that they know best. If I can just get people to accept that, there are elites, as they call them. We probably need to stop calling them elites, because I think it distracts from. You've got smart, primarily smart people, and some wealthy people. Not that those are exclusive, but not all of the people are actually wealthy that are driving this agenda, just to be very clear. So you've got very smart people who are so convinced about their rightness that they want control.
21:32 Tom Bilyeu? Now, I don't know if they recognize in themselves the envy, the narcissism, the ugly side, or if they're blinded by, but I'm right. And that they've been right so often in their life and they really can outthink most of the people they encounter. And so life teaches them, you're smarter, you're better, you know better. And for everyone's sake, they just need to listen to you. There's something in humans that really makes them want to live in a hierarchical society, something with classes where dumb people just get shoved into their rightful place.
22:17 Tom Bilyeu? And that is what is happening in the UK right now. It's absolutely wild. That is what's happening in the West. It is absolutely wild. It is totally dystopian. People will grab power. And because I just cannot seem to get people to read history, people don't understand how dire this becomes. This is a level of absurdity that is hard to express. First of all, these people don't know best. They are prone to making mistakes all the time. And whatever wisdom they do have will never be matched by the wisdom that the crowd has. And en masse, the, the masses will always know best. My favorite example of this is Mao. However brilliant he may have been, and he clearly must have been brilliant for what he pulled off.
23:02 Tom Bilyeu? He didn't realize that across the gigantic landmass that is China, you can't plant the same crops at the same time. And when local farmers objected, he killed them. And then forced everybody to plant the same crops at the same time. And then everyone starved. It's so crazy. And so that's whatever that thing is inside of the human mind, we're watching play out. And they've got the perfect thing that they need about the. Saving the planet to leverage it to get control. They did it for sure with COVID. I'm not saying that COVID was intentional, but never let a good crisis go to waste. And so it happened. They used it to gain power.
23:47 Tom Bilyeu? They saw how compliant people will be when they're scared. And so they're running the same playbook. Now, my biggest problem with what I see here is they are going to make catastrophic errors about the molecules that I can put inside my body via my diet based on the carbon footprint. And the reality is they have no right to do that because some foods shorten your life so dramatically and other foods extend your life dramatically. This is not controversial. They're going to hammer down on red meat.
24:32 Tom Bilyeu? They're going to hammer down basically on most animal products would be my guess. So he talks about cheese. He talks about red meat. And the thing that they're running right now, red meat would basically take your whole day's carbon footprint. So you wouldn't be able to drive, turn on your electricity, like you just, you had whatever eight ounces of red meat. If you have sugary foods, so sodas, highly processed stuff that's made from carbohydrate, wheat, cereal, stuff like that. All of that is going to be fine. It will be very inexpensive. And so what's going to happen is people who are poor, they can't afford whatever allowance they're going to give you to buy extra carbon credits or whatever.
25:17 Tom Bilyeu? I'm sure they will. So poor people are going to be stuck. They're going to eat the stuff that's cheap. And then anybody that doesn't understand. And so these are going to be, Drew, the same people that don't understand assets. So now you've got people that just cannot get on the property ladder. They're falling farther and farther behind. And now we're decimating them and their children with terrible nutrition. And Health effects and all those other things. Oh dude, it will be massive and it will have epigenetic effects. So what the mom eats while pregnant for sure is going to matter. It's almost certainly true that what both parents eat before they even try to have a baby will matter. And there'll be some epigenetic pass along. People can look that up if they think I'm crazy.
26:02 Tom Bilyeu? That really does happen. And this is going to be a never ending nightmare that further drives the people that have the knowledge and the money to get out from under this and the people that don't. This, this is people trusting themselves run amok. People always think they know best.
26:21 Speaker 05 How does this translate to actual food? Well, according to the report, a packet of cheese accounts for 1.1 kilograms of CO2, over 25% of your daily allowance. Red meat? Forget it. If you spent your entire 4K G allowance on steak, you'd get around eight ounces of meat. While meat and dairy products have the highest carbon footprints, two slices of bread would account for just 3%, while a can of Coke, just four. So basically, diabetes is on the menu. But don't worry, Big Pharma will have you covered because medications and healthcare products will not be factored into your daily carbon limit.
26:51 Tom Bilyeu? Dude, this is crazy. The perverse incentives that will end up happening where everything in the system is incentivized to not notice that red meat is good for you, carbohydrates and sugar is bad for you because the drugs that deal with the chronic illness will make so much money and people will look at it and say, and they'll be right, these drugs are a modern miracle. So now you've got, we need to save the planet. What's the problem with what they're eating anyway? We've got these drugs to deal with it. Not noticing all of the knock on problems and the different ways that drugs can interact and the fact that we don't have long-term studies on a lot of these drugs because they're new. I am just
27:32 Tom Bilyeu? convinced that GL1 inhibitors, or whatever they're called, the Ozempics of the world, that there are going to be huge negative ramifications. You, you just can't do that. There's no way. There's no way that's going to be okay. We'll see. But yeah, I can't imagine it. And this all reminds me of when I was back at Quest and there was a big initiative in the US to start labeling food and they were going to put additional tax on food that was high in fat and they were going to force you to put warning labels on the product. So I was like, hold on a second. I can put sugar and I'm not going to get a warning label. But if I put fat, I have to put a warning label? Dude, I was offended. That was when I was like, okay, I'm legitimate. gonna have to start lobbying the government because this is insane.
28:17 Tom Bilyeu? So thankfully that never gained traction, but this is the kind of thing that I see gaining steam around the world.
28:24 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's interesting to me because we see a lot of this state side with like the sugar tax or places in like, I think San Francisco now, New York City have it where, you know, sugary drinks have an extra 10 cent surcharge or something like that. All these things to combat climate change when the number one they say is farting cows, but the number two is fast fashion. So it's like you're telling people they can't eat these things. They have to eat sugary carbohydrates items. But if I'm still going to H and M and I'm buying 10, 20, $30 worth of clothes, I'm still contributing to the problem that we're trying to do it. So it's just very selective in the, in the prosecution of this. So it's very interesting.
29:01 Tom Bilyeu? Also, the answer is always, always, always innovation. It is always innovation. And when dumb asses think that they can see the future so clearly that they need to control this all from the top down, they end up creating more problems than they do good. You've got to let the hyper complexities of the market work themselves out in the market. If you give people the data and you show them what's really happening and you don't lie and you don't spin, you just say, look, this is what it is. Look at the ozone. We ended up fixing the ozone. So it's like, if there's really a thing that we can point to and say, okay, this chemical is a problem. So if you want aerosol, you're gonna have to do it without that.
29:41 Tom Bilyeu? So if we are worried that cows or whatever are releasing too much CO2 into the atmosphere, then put in incentives for them to solve those problems. Don't say you can't eat it. Say like, hey, look, this is something that we either want to put tax credits towards. There are things like the X Prize that can incentivize stuff like that. But honestly, I think a big part of this is it's tied to climate change, which has become hyper politicized. And some very large percentage of the planet is not convinced that the problem is what people say it is. And so this is why lying and trying to spin imposition ends up backfiring. You just need to be transparent.
30:24 Speaker 05 But here's where things get terrifying. They're not just suggesting it, they're testing it. Food manufacturers are already slapping carbon labels on their products. And let's not forget the food supply chain either. These policies directly threaten local farmers and producers as red meat gets penalized heavily, while synthetic lab grown meat is being propped up as a solution. The problem is.
30:43 Speaker 02 Yeah, you gotta take on lab grown meat.
30:44 Tom Bilyeu? I do have a take on lab grown meat. So lab grown meat, like anything, is we don't know. We don't know yet if it's effective. We don't know yet if there are some magical things that happen to the meat because it's out eating and grazing. If you raise a cow feeding it only grain, the meat is different. The the literal chemistry of the animal itself, like what's stored in the fat and all that, becomes different. And so if you don't tell Lisa that the cow was grain fed, she'll still know because grain fed beef upsets her stomach. So there is just something, like some part of the digestive system recognizes whatever the difference is, whatever the,
31:26 Tom Bilyeu? I imagine it's stored in the fat, but like whatever is stored in the fat causes a different kind of reaction. Same with chicken that eats grain versus if it eats worms and all the things that it would normally find by roaming around and pecking. So while I love the idea of lab grown meat and I cannot wait to see long term studies done to find out like whether it's fine or not, I don't want to pretend like there aren't going to be some wild complexities to that.
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33:36 Tom Bilyeu? Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.
33:40 Speaker 02 Yeah, well, speaking of a crackhead policy, Hunter Biden had an interview with Channel 5. And he talked about a myriad of things. I want to start here because I just thought this was hilarious.
33:51 Speaker 09 Your neighborhood convenience store. And just get, anyway, I don't want to tell people how to make crack cocaine, but it literally is a man's jar of cocaine and baking soda.
34:02 Speaker 05 How different is the experience?
34:03 Tom Bilyeu? I don't want to tell them, but here it is.
34:04 Speaker 09 Vastly, vastly different. And like, for real, I feel really reluctant to kind of have some euphoric discussion. I know you're not asking me to do that, but have some euphoric discussion about crack cocaine.
34:17 Speaker 05 I think this might be kind of the opposite here.
34:18 Speaker 09 Okay, no, it's the exact opposite. I'm saying I don't want to have the experience of some euphoric recall. That's how powerful crack cocaine is.
34:30 Speaker 02 So he went from crack cocaine to talking about George Clooney and some of the establishment Democrats and how they turned on Joe Biden at the end of the election.
34:40 Tom Bilyeu? Well, so before we leave the crack cocaine thing, we should play the part where he starts talking about crack cocaine is actually cleaner than normal cocaine. People think it's dirty.
34:51 Speaker 09 Does crack cocaine make you act any differently? No. Is it safer than alcohol? Probably. People think of crack as being dirty. It's the exact opposite.
35:01 Tom Bilyeu? I actually don't know, to be honest, but it doesn't look good.
35:06 Speaker 02 And then he went off on establishment Democrats.
35:10 Speaker 06 Him, fuck him, fuck him and everybody around him. Not to be fucking nice, number one, I agree with Quentin Tarantino. Fucking George Clooney is not a fucking actor. He is a fucking, like, I don't know what he is. He, he, he's a brand. And by the way, and God bless him. You know what? He supposedly treats his friends really well. You know what I mean? Buys them things and he's got a really great place in Lake Como and he's great friends with Barack Obama. Fuck you. What do you have to do with fucking anything? Why do I have to fucking listen to you? What right do you have to step on a man who's given 52 years of his fucking life to the services of this country? And decide that you, George Clooney, are gonna take out basically a full page ad in the fucking New York Times?
35:51 Speaker 06 To me and James Carville, who hasn't run a race in 40 fucking years? And David Axelrod, who had one success in his political life? And that was Barack Obama. And that was because of Barack Obama, not because of fucking David Axelrod. And David Plouffe and all of these guys, and the Pod Save America guys.
36:08 Tom Bilyeu? I honestly think this is him trying to become relevant in politics. I have a feeling that Dad is still alive. He's got an opportunity to prove to Dad that, look, I can do this. Um, I can make sure that your name isn't forgotten, your legacy is not forgotten. Whether he tries to completely rehab his image and run, uh, that's a much bigger question. But he knows that people are gonna wanna interview him. So he's got a microphone. If he's got something interesting to say, I mean, now is the, the, the age where it's like, you start your show, you start your podcast, you say the things that other people aren't willing to say. He's clearly going in on the Democrats.
36:52 Tom Bilyeu? Like, he's not afraid to attack his own. And so it'll be interesting to see if he's positioning himself as like more of a centrist Democrat? I don't know. It'll be interesting. But this does not feel like somebody who's completely unhinged to me. This feels like somebody who's swearing too much. And this is a good reminder to me, not to use the F-word that frequently. But I don't hear somebody who's completely unhinged. His backstory is wild. And so can we elect a president?
37:24 Tom Bilyeu? Who we know smoked crack and we seen his dick like, ah, ah, ah, I don't know Drew.
37:31 Tom Bilyeu? That he's insecure about it and that he asks, is it still big? Like, I don't know. I don't know. If he's gonna be able to come back from that, but he could certainly be a personality in the space. So this will be interesting and fathers are powerful in terms of people wanting to seek their approval. And I think that he has had such a dark past that if you're watching dad's light fade. And you think, alright, this is my shot. I'm not gonna let people trample him. I'm not gonna let his reputation go down without a fight. And it's actually pretty interesting because this, this will happen to a lot of politicians. So, um, Hamilton had the same problem and his wife for years fought and fought and fought to get a
38:16 Tom Bilyeu? biography written about him because she was like, people are trying to trash his memory, but what my husband did is so great. And she was just like obsessed. And then I think ultimately it was his son that finally saw it across the finish line. And this is a very real thing for him to get into the political arena at a minimum, try to fight for his dad's legacy. And then, as I say, ambition grows in the Eden. If he starts getting traction, if he finds that he can post up a show. He's gotta make money somehow. So if he can become part of the political commentariat, ingratiate himself back into politics. I mean, he must know everybody. And so this is gonna be an interesting arc. I'm, uh, I'm intrigued.
38:58 Speaker 02 I don't know how much political power he has though. If he's torching the people that were closest to him, you know? So is him starting over? Uh, I
39:06 Tom Bilyeu? Right now, he has absolutely no political power, but getting in the room with people oftentimes is enough. And if he's willing to play, because how old is he? He looks like he's what, early 50s?
39:19 Speaker 02 Fifty-five years old.
39:20 Tom Bilyeu? Okay, so he's got ten, fifteen years on him.
39:24 Speaker 02 Twenty years if he's, you know, with Donald Trump in them, so.
39:27 Tom Bilyeu? I guess, but I kinda hope that we move out of the whole geriatric space. But he, he's got an easy fifteen for sure. And so even if he's willing to play the game for five years, like if he's any good at media, I think he's got a shot. I mean, this is interesting. Everybody's been talking about it. So if he can come out guns blazing, attack the, the people that are supposedly unattackable, I think he could get traction.
39:52 Speaker 02 That's interesting. We'll keep, we'll keep tracking. And hopefully he's doing good in his sobriety and his recovery. That statement was crazy.
40:01 Speaker 02 France, President Emmanuel Macron has classified the platform X as an organized gang, allowing them to legally wiretap personal devices of X employees. X believes that this investigation is distorting French law in order to serve a political agenda and ultimately restrict free speech. For these reasons, X has not acceded to the French authorities' demands. Where do you think this falls on the free speech spectrum?
40:26 Tom Bilyeu? Well, every country gets to do what they want, and I have no idea what the laws are in France. But I will say from a moral perspective that people seem to not understand that the reason free speech is so important is that you need to be able to think. Writing is thinking. Speaking is thinking. It's not like you, your ideas are fully formulated and then you write them down. That's not how writing works. It's not like your ideas are fully formulated and then you speak them out. Oftentimes, you're speaking not so that you can be understood, but so that you can understand. And so when you stop people from being able to do this, you literally stop ideas from getting fully fleshed out. You stop people from being able to say, this is what I think and believe, and then they challenge your ideas and it makes you sharper.
41:11 Tom Bilyeu? You make me sharper. My wife makes me sharper. Critiques that I get online, the right ones, obviously, make me sharper. And when you don't understand that and your impulse is to silence because you would rather be in control, you would rather maintain power, then everything goes off the rails. This is one of those things where you just have to understand how the game works. Like you have to understand the macro movements of culture. The way that people are ultimately with each other. And when you try to force them to be silent, it deranges a culture. And when you allow them to express and to push and to fight, yes, you yourself may lose power.
41:54 Tom Bilyeu? But you get to still be in a thriving world. And so if we can just get people to recognize, this is just how the world works. That to get everybody on the same page, you have to kill people. And I don't mean that in any sort of hyperbolic way. I mean, the just humans are so diverse and they have so many different opinions. And some people feel so strongly that some people just will not be silenced unless you kill them. And some ideas are so powerful that they will catch fire. And so when an idea undermines power, power has a decision. You either recognize, oh, I guess my time is up. And now this new wave, the young bucks are gonna come and we're just, we're done. It's not our time.
42:35 Tom Bilyeu? And that's always been one of the great things about America was we peacefully transferred power. We said, my time's over. Okay, I accept it. And apparently France does not. And so they're just, people just are unhinged about X. It is so wild to me. And yeah, anybody that doesn't believe in free speech is making a critical error at the like level of psychology of humans en masse.
43:02 Speaker 02 This seems like a common thread of the whole, I know better. This is why you should listen to me. Because free speech, a lot of times is you're, it's okay for free speech, but I don't want you to say these things.
43:13 Tom Bilyeu? Correct.
43:13 Speaker 02 And again, I'm the one dictating what those things you're not allowed to say are.
43:17 Tom Bilyeu? Correct. On my tombstone, there should be two phrases. A, you're having a biological experience. And B, stop trusting yourself so much. Like if everybody recognized those two things, we would be in much better shape, much better. But dude, I get the same impulse that everybody else has, that like, I'm right. This is obviously right. The world would be better if everybody just listened to me. It's just that I know I've been wrong so many times before and felt so right. Right up until I realized I was wrong. That I thought, uh, okay, I just have to have a default understanding that you can't be paralyzed. You can't be like, oh, I could be wrong. You've got to march forward, but you've got to march forward going,
44:02 Tom Bilyeu? some part of what I believe right now is incorrect of this I am sure. And the bad news is I don't know which part I'm wrong about. Uh, so it's super powerful to recognize that you're wrong about something.
44:16 Speaker 02 Yeah, well, Mehdi Hassan was surrounded by 20 people who sure didn't feel like they were wrong about something.
44:21 Tom Bilyeu? Before you play this, did you watch this?
44:23 Speaker 02 I didn't watch it in full. I just watched the clips.
44:24 Tom Bilyeu? Like, these guys were terrible. Terrible. And I'm not exactly a big Mehdi Hassan guy. But these guys were terrible.
44:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, it felt like they were on the, there's the far right and then there was all the way over there, right? Like, it just, it just felt weird. It felt weird.
44:41 Tom Bilyeu? It felt weird and they didn't even have good arguments. Like, if you've got a good argument and you can make me be like, oh, maybe Hitler wasn't so bad. But like the whole time, just like, you're not actually making an argument. You're literally just flirting with the devil. You're literally just like, uh. Well, he was kind of cute. You know what I mean? I was like, what is happening right now?
45:02 Speaker 02 Crazy. Um, and this guy goes all the way. I don't believe in the constitution and I'm a fascist.
45:07 Tom Bilyeu? Yeah, this is crazy.
45:08 Speaker 10 Quite frankly, if Trump is anti-constitution, good, and I think he should go further. So this is, this is wonderfully revealing of the modern conservative mindset. I appreciate you spelling it out so openly. Um, just checking, do you support the second amendment? I do. Okay, surprise. I was shocked to hear that. I'm saying that Donald Trump is defying the first amendment, the fourth amendment, the fifth amendment, the 14th amendment. He's thinking of defying the 12th and 22nd amendments. You're saying you don't care about the constitution, but actually you do because you quite like the second amendment. You just don't like the bits that you disagree with. Can I just be clear on that? Absolutely. Okay. I'm more than willing to, I'm more than willing to amend it and. Whenever it's in your favor? Yeah, absolutely. So can Democrats do the same when they're in office? No, absolutely not. So you don't believe in democracy? No, I don't. Absolutely not. What do you believe in? Autocracy.
45:53 Speaker 10 A little bit more than a far-right Republican. Hey, what can I say? I think you say I'm a fascist. Yeah, I am.
46:02 Tom Bilyeu? Dude, this is uh- And then he got fired from his job.
46:06 Tom Bilyeu? And then started GoFundMe. There is something admittedly I don't like about the, you've been working with him. So you've already been working with a fascist. You knew he was a fascist. Now other people know, now you get to fire him. Is that the problem? It's like, for me, I think it's people going, "Oh, I don't like your beliefs, therefore you're out." If their behaviors are fine, you gotta chill on the whole beliefs thing. This, I mean, some of it goes back to, I think that I'm right. I wanna be convincing. I don't necessarily wanna convince everybody. So, this guy should be able to make whatever case he wants to make for fascism. And other people should be able to, hopefully, smash his arguments into itty bitty pieces. Just using cause and effect, nice, simple logic.
46:50 Tom Bilyeu? Yeah, anyway, the, the whole, "I don't like your beliefs and therefore I fire you," I'm not a fan of that. Yeah. And then there was this one that talked about the Palestinian-Israel war.
46:59 Speaker 10 So-called innocent Palestinian, you don't think Palestinians are innocent?
47:02 Speaker 05 Not all of them.
47:03 Speaker 10 But what about the 17,000 children who were killed?
47:05 Speaker 05 They're doing the same-
47:06 Speaker 10 17,000 children were killed, were they not innocent? Were they not innocent?
47:10 Speaker 05 Who's responsible for that?
47:11 Speaker 10 Israel, who dropped the bombs on them.
47:13 Speaker 05 Hamas is responsible. Hamas is responsible for hiding in hospitals and banking tunnels underneath those hospitals.
47:18 Speaker 10 So when children are shot in the head by Israeli snipers-
47:20 Tom Bilyeu? Why does he look like a cartoon character?
47:20 Speaker 10 Israeli snipers aren't responsible for that.
47:22 Speaker 05 Look-
47:23 Speaker 10 It's a simple question.
47:23 Speaker 05 Here's the problem-
47:24 Speaker 10 When Israeli snipers shoot Palestinian children in Gaza in the head, as eyewitness testimony and doctor's testimony proves, that's not the fault of the Israeli snipers.
47:32 Speaker 05 This is, this is the problem. Because when you have a-
47:34 Speaker 10 The problem is you won't answer the question. I'll ask you a third time. When Israeli snipers shoot Palestinian children in the head, is that not the fault of Israeli snipers?
47:40 Speaker 05 Well, you gotta let me finish.
47:41 Speaker 10 No, you gotta answer the question, fourth time. When Israeli snipers shoot Palestinian children in the head-
47:46 Speaker 05 I will get to your answer.
47:47 Speaker 10 We're running out of time, I need to know what you think about innocent children.
47:49 Tom Bilyeu? See, these guys just, they're not good debaters. Now, are they not good debaters because as you go that far out on the right, it's all emotion and there actually is no logic? And so they feel something very strongly, but they don't have an ar- like, there's, it's not like they have an argument in their head and they're just not representing it well. They don't have an argument in their head. They don't. They feel a thing and they're trying to convey their emotion to you. That's the only thing that I could make, make sense while I was watching this. Because, yeah, the Ape Tax survivor, where the fuck is Jubilee finding these guys? That guy literally looks like he's out of the cartoon Spy vs. Spy, so I'm not sure what's going on there. Somebody said he looked like Waluigi Mangiotti. I thought that was hilarious. I love that. Like, when they find out Waluigi-
48:30 Tom Bilyeu? No way they found Waluigi Manji on that.
48:33 Speaker 02 That was so good. I mean, that's probably my favorite one.
48:35 Tom Bilyeu? That's good, admittedly.
48:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, no, I agreed. I have seen the Cana Soons one. I've seen ones previously where even the the hot seat person is like, oh, hmm, you got me. Or hmm, okay, let me, they at least have to retool their argument. But it seemed like this was 70% trolling, 20% dunking on immigrants. Like, I just don't understand what they were trying to get to.
48:55 Tom Bilyeu? They were winning each other over, though. That was the weird part. So like, they would clap for, I don't like the Constitution. Clap, clap, clap, clap. It's like, whoa, okay.
49:05 Tom Bilyeu? Yeah, this one was weird. I want to see that same debate. I want to see if there are real arguments on the far right. I'd be curious to see, I don't know enough about Nick Fuentes, but I'd be curious to see if he's, is he far right like that?
49:18 Speaker 02 Yeah.
49:18 Tom Bilyeu? So I'd be curious to see if he's actually articulate and can argue something, or if he too is just emotion based. But I did not find that one compelling at all.
49:28 Speaker 02 And then in AI news, Elon Musk tweeted that XAI goal is 50 million in units of H100 equivalent AI compute, but much better power efficiency within, online within five years. And then he also recently retweeted an interview Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang did about Elon Musk's scale. And he retweeted it. 230,000 GPUs, including 30,000 GB 200s, are operational for training Grok XAI in a single supercluster called Colossus 1. Interference is done by our cloud providers. At Colossus 2, the first batch of 550,000 GPU 200s and GPU 300s also for training start going online in a few weeks. As Jensen Huang has stated, XAI is unmatched in speed. It's not even
50:11 Speaker 02 close. It just seems like the scale of this thing has just been crazy.
50:16 Tom Bilyeu? There's two, there's two things to talk about. 50 million ants would be a lot. 50 million GPUs is wild. Like,
50:31 Tom Bilyeu? How do you walk them into the room? Like 50 million anything is so many things. So I mean, that one is like almost hard to get your head around in terms of the scope and scale of this is so massive. So there's that. This if people are still underestimating AI, stop immediately. This is unreal. Like we're getting to the point where they're using so many GPUs. It's like neurons in the brain. Crazy. So yeah, this is completely insane. And if 50 million is what we're doing in five years, what are we doing in 25 years? So yeah, I mean, this is um.
51:10 Tom Bilyeu? AI is going to terraform our planet. It's going to terraform human psychology. It is going to change everything we've ever known. It is already moving at a rate. The three times doubling in a year seems about right. That is a truly exponent. Your doubling rate is less than a year. Okay. Exponential just means that um three X like if you're at one and then you three X that you're at three. If you three X that you're at nine, right? So it's when you're maintaining that three X, three X, three X, three X. It's unbelievable like getting bigger. But the fact that the doubling is happening in less than years is crazy.
51:50 Tom Bilyeu? So is every time I talk about AI, every now and then I'll be like, maybe I'm overhyping it a little bit. And then I'll see an announcement like this, or I'll start working with the agents on um. Chat GPT and you're just like, oh no, this really is still moving forward. Fast. And it continues to change my behavior. That's the part like I I've only written. I mean, how many deep dives have I written? 10? So I've written 10 deep dives. I'm writing them differently now for the third time from where I started. Just because AI is updating that fast. In ten weeks, yeah. So it's, oh man, it's, uh, it's incredible. Okay, so that's the first part of this.
52:33 Tom Bilyeu? The second part of this is I cannot believe that there are people that are still against Elon. Like even if you hate his politics, what he's able to do in business will be studied for decades. It is unbelievable. I guarantee we are not getting the full picture of what it's like to be around him right now. I constantly remind myself of the story of him cutting the bolts off the, um, servers in the X server farm because he wanted to move them somewhere else and they were like, sorry, we don't have the wrench to like, undo them, we're gonna need like the weekend or whatever. And this is like midnight on a Saturday or something. He's like, nope. And he's just, and shaved the bolts and they loaded up the, um, servers and took them.
53:16 Tom Bilyeu? It's that kind of maniacal adherence to his goals. Like I will stop at nothing. Now, whether he stops at ethics, I, I won't say. I just don't know. But the fact that he is able to push things forward this rapidly is unbelievable. Is, we have to commend it. Dude,
53:41 Tom Bilyeu? I want to get this much done in my life. And honestly, as an entrepreneur, I find myself routinely saying, okay, if I had to accomplish what he's accomplishing, what would I have to do? And the answers you start coming up with, free your mind from the limitations of the way that you normally think. It's just so absurd. Like to think that you're gonna do 50 million units in five years. Like if you just run the math of like, how many people would have to like go in and go out? Like you, you'd have to start mapping the walking speed from wherever they unload to how like you get them plugged in and then to wire everything and then to eliminate all the interference. Oh jeez, it is bananas.
54:26 Tom Bilyeu? All while getting us to Mars, all while turning us into cyborgs, all while digging tunnels, all while building robots, all while building cars. It's like, what? So, uh, I want to see people aspire to do ambitious things in their own life. And so for him to be one of the most hated men on the planet. Is really heartbreaking.
54:49 Speaker 02 Yeah. Where do you stand on like the Mike Rowe argument of it all? I seen him talk recently with Charlie Kirk and he was saying that like, while forty percent of AI jobs are going to disappear, a majority of those are white collar and there's gonna be like a blue collar.
55:01 Tom Bilyeu? Mike Rowe just really wants to look stupid in five years. Every time he talks, I'm like, Mike, don't do it to yourself. Mike, don't give him the clips. They're gonna play this on a loop, bro.
55:10 Speaker 02 So you think in five years, we're gonna have robot?
55:12 Tom Bilyeu? Obviously, obviously, like what is he thinking? He needs to go to a robotics factory and see how advanced this stuff is. If you're not gonna give me five years, seven, like, and it won't be binary. There's just gonna be more and more and more. I don't know if you saw the recent massage robot has like nine degrees of articulation. Unbelievable. Uh, obviously, you've already got Optimus robots serving popcorn. You've got, uh, these really lightweight house robots now that are humanoid, that can walk around, open the fridge, all this stuff. Dude, it's, it's already crazy in twenty twenty five. In twenty thirty, in twenty thirty five? Dude, there's just gonna be robots as far as the eye can see.
55:57 Tom Bilyeu? I will be legitimately surprised if by twenty twenty seven, you and I don't have a robot sitting with us as part of the show. I mean, they're gonna be twenty grand in months if they're not already. And you just, yeah, I'll take one. Like if they had better AI, like that's the thing I'm waiting to catch up. I want them to have a face so they can express emotion. Then cartoon face ideally.
56:22 Tom Bilyeu? Then you really have something. So yeah, every time I hear Mike Rowe talk, I'm just like, okay, I mean, I get it. I'm sure I'm saying things right now that five years from now, people will be like, ah! And laughing their faces off at, uh, things that I think are true. But he's going to look silly.
56:36 Speaker 02 What would you say then to, you know, the twenty one year old, twenty two year old who's graduating college? And I know it's like learn chat GPT, but like. That I mean, I can I can search a bunch of stuff on there. I can have it build me seventy five percent made done apps. But what should I practically look for? Like, how what North Star should they have?
56:55 Tom Bilyeu? It is all tools are being built for you that allow you to do things that were previously unimaginable. And so what I'm doing, I'm building Ready Player One. I'm going to build a a virtual world, not thinking VR maybe, but I think more just normal gaming plus probably AR. But anyway, build a game that is so expansive that you could spend the rest of your life playing that game. And because it's based on a set of rules,
57:27 Tom Bilyeu? you could set something in motion when you're eight years old and then revisit it when you're thirty five and be like, yo, that's crazy, because it will have kept evolving. So I wouldn't be able to do that without AI. Now, the AI that I can use today has made things a lot cheaper. It's made things faster, but it's I'm expecting, you know, three, five years from now where this is like, oh, wow, I can really do some incredible stuff. And again, going back to XAI, some of the stuff they're doing in gaming feels like three years of progress in six months. So let them keep cooking. If they keep building models bigger and bigger,
58:11 Tom Bilyeu? then everybody's going to have access to tools that are more and more powerful. But that's how people should think of it. This tool now allows me to do a thing that would have cost me a hundred thousand dollars, five hundred millions of dollars, whatever. And I can now do it for three hundred dollars a month. Like, that is an extraordinary trade. And I understand people are panicking because it is unnerving when the world you thought you were going to live in just you realize is not going to be the thing.
58:37 Tom Bilyeu? But if you think of it as a tool that allows you to almost have a magic wand, I mean, it is really incredible, the things that we're going to be able to do. I'm talking like gene edit.
58:54 Tom Bilyeu? My skin is losing elasticity. Dear AI, fix it. Look at my genome. Look at the exact skin cells. What's my problem? Oh, your problem is exactly this. Take these supplements or do this gene therapy or whatever. That's all gonna happen. You're gonna be able to take the DNA from your parents. Look at the epigenetic information. Like, figure out, what does that predict about me? You're gonna be able to run like simulations on yourself about aging, possible tumors. I mean, they're already, they've been able to turn tumors into pork. Yes, I said that correctly.
59:38 Tom Bilyeu? Turn a tumor inside your body into pork. So your own immune system will attack it. So dude, like, think of all the things we're not thinking of. Every time there's been a radical technological advancement, we don't lose jobs. They just change. It's devastating for the people that live through the change. So I get it. I get the anxiety, but it unlocks things for humanity that are unbelievable. Nice. That's all I got. All right, everybody, if you haven't already left us a five star review, make sure that you do. It really helps. And if you're not joining us for the lives, please do. They are over on YouTube and Twitch, 6 a.m. Pacific time, Wednesday and Friday. Till next time, my friends, be legendary. Take care, peace.
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