NVIDIA CEO Affair, Stephen Miller is the new Chief of Staff, Nick Fuentes vs. Hasan Piker | The Tom Bilyeu Show

Welcome to Impact Theory! Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang has admitted to an affair after reports tied him to a Megaspeed executive whom US officials reportedly suspect of spying for China, and Nvidia’s board has opened an independent investigation. We break down the market reaction, the key-person risk, and why powerful men keep getting compromised the same way. Then we turn to Trump’s cabinet shakeup. Former MAHA adviser Calley Means went on Joe Rogan and accused Susie Wiles of blocking health reforms to protect donors, and on the same day Trump announced that Wiles was out and Stephen Miller would take over as chief of staff. Next, Trump tells 60 Minutes his deportation policy “might be too tough” and floats an immigration deal with Democrats, while Nick Fuentes and Hasan Piker stake their claims on the future of the GOP and the Democratic Party. We dig into the K-shaped economy and why the split between asset owners and wage earners may decide future elections. Then we react to public figures telling on themselves: Scott Galloway’s Tesla story, the sponsor exodus at the “I’ve Had It” podcast over a Charlie Kirk joke, and Dave Chappelle’s comments on Kirk’s killing. Finally, we cover France’s fourth straight weekend of protests, the deadly shooting in Kraków, and Bloomington, Indiana’s ban on superintelligent AI. Super Chats cover dating, extremism, assimilation, and the French left’s 2027 platform, and we close with Godzilla Minus One and why the West needs a better story about itself. Note: This episode contains opinion and commentary on developing stories, including the Nvidia investigation and unproven espionage allegations, Calley Means’s claims about White House staff, which the White House disputes, the Charlie Kirk murder case, and the Kraków shooting. Views expressed are the hosts’ own, and some claims discussed remain contested or unconfirmed. What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: Want my help starting a business? Join me here inside Zero To Founder https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show Sign up for my AI Masterclass: AI Masterclass https://tombilyeu.com/ai-masterclass?utm_campaign=Live%20Masterclass&utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=evergreen Follow Me: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Tailor Brands: Check out Tailor Brands to launch your business starting at $0 + state fees: https://bit.ly/TailorBrandsSept Quince: Free shipping and 365-day returns at https://quince.com/impactpod Pipedrive: Get more leads and grow your business. Go to https://www.pipedrive.com/impact and get started with a 30-day free trial. Incogni: Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code IMPACT at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/impact HeyGen: Create your first three AI videos for free at https://heygen.com/impact. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:37Tom Bilyeu?

  The Jensen Huang Chinese spy affair situation is way crazier than people realize. And the market response is just as wild. Major shakeups are playing out in Trump's cabinet as a whistleblower torches the admin on Rogan. High profile public figures are telling on themselves in droves in some of the most outrageous ways. And the fallout is going nuclear. A politically wounded Trump is saying things even his most diehard supporters can't believe. The Nick Fuentes, Hasan Piker political attempted takeover is underway. And people are not being honest about how bad this could get.

• 2:17Tom Bilyeu?

  The K shaped economy has gotten so bad, the most surprising of people are starting to wake up. We've got that one for you. And the troubles in Europe continue to worsen. The sites coming out of France and Poland this weekend were unbelievable. All of that and more right now on the Tom Bilyeu Show Live. Welcome, everybody. Like I said, the Jensen Huang Chinese spy affair situation is way crazier than people realize. The market response has been bananas, so we're going to be going through that. But let's just start with the facts before I go off on how ridiculous and hilarious powerful men are with sex. Nature is truly undefeated, man. More on that in a minute. First, though, let's just go through it.

• 3:01Tom Bilyeu?

  The woman that Jensen has admitted now to having an affair with is Huang Le. She goes by Alice Huang. Wild that they have the same name. She's a Chinese national, former television reporter. So if you're wondering if she's young and attractive. And until recently, she was the managing director of MegaSpeed, a Singapore data center company that became one of the biggest buyers of Nvidia chips all across Southeast Asia. Uh oh. That is certainly going to be a key part of the independent investigation that Nvidia is already in the process of running to figure out what Jensen gave her other than his DNA. We'll find out in due time.

• 3:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, there have been rumors circulating for a while that Nvidia chips were being illegally sent to China via Singapore. So needless to say, the fact that Jensen was sleeping with a Chinese national with deep connections to the tech industry in Singapore is going to raise massive concerns that it was true, basically, that that's exactly how this was going. And that may have been the exact kind of influence that China was trying to have over Jensen. If this was indeed a honeypot. Obviously, there are investigations running, so we'll see in the fullness of time. But that is certainly the early assumptions. Now, trade records show that MegaSpeed's Malaysian sister company bought at least

• 4:27Tom Bilyeu?

  $4.8 billion of Nvidia powered hardware between June of 24 and February of 26. And both the Commerce Department and the Singapore Police have been investigating MegaSpeed since 2024 for routing chips into China. Where there's smoke, there's likely to be fire. So this one is going to get pretty wild as we dig deeper and deeper into it, especially when you consider the fact that US intelligence has been surveilling Alice Huang as a suspected asset of Chinese Ministry of State Security. Her communications kept turning up an unnamed American. Officials requested the name. Guess who? Jensen Huang, everybody.

• 5:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Marco Rubio oversaw a classified memo warning senior officials about the situation. Trump apparently was also briefed back in 2025. At the time, intelligence officials believed Jensen had no idea that she was a potential Chinese spy. Now, according to the New York Times, Alice Huang had a very specific task, and that was to collect information on Nvidia's chips and nudge Nvidia towards selling more advanced chips into China. Now, when you go back and watch Jensen Huang's messaging, you start seeing it's certainly been very consistent with someone who wants to sell more chips to China. Now, is that because of Alice Huang nudging him? We don't know, but certainly his messaging has been very clear.

• 5:52Tom Bilyeu?

  He spent an entire year lobbying for exactly sending China more advanced chips. The administration even approved H200 sales to China in January, possibly as a result of Jensen's direct effort. Given the level of access that Jensen has to Trump, it certainly would not be surprising if he was one of the most influential figures in the Trump administration for our policy with China. Now, footage from a May 22, 2025 Computex dinner in Taipei shows Alice Huang kissing Jensen on the cheek, running her hand down his lower back and leaving in his car.

• 6:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, Jensen told Bloomberg that their interactions were completely normal and not unusual. Okay, for people having sex, that is certainly true. But on November 8, he finally came clean, once the story broke and he was basically forced to. And he told his employees that he had in fact been unfaithful to his wife. Now, to be clear, Alice Huang has not been charged with anything, at least not yet. And Beijing is just nakedly calling the allegations unsubstantiated. Singapore says it never investigated her for intelligence ties. So that was tied to whether or not she was involved in getting the chips sent to China or not. And Reuters couldn't verify the spy claim.

• 7:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Every piece of the whole spy versus spy narrative comes from anonymous US officials. As of now, Nvidia's board says it has no reason to believe that any secrets were compromised. Trump has gone to bat for Jensen and said he's a very fine person. Sorry, the very fine is his more traditional language. He also said, this is a paraphrase, but pretty close to a verbatim quote. He probably had an excuse. Boy, I can't wait to hear what that was. House Republicans are very eager to get Jensen in a closed door briefing that right now is scheduled for November 18. Be very interesting to see what comes out of that. Now, needless to say, all of this drama has had a major impact on the markets writ large,

• 8:00Tom Bilyeu?

  given how important AI is and how important Nvidia is to the AI trade. And obviously, the Nvidia stock has been getting slapped around. This morning, Nvidia was down nearly 5% and at times had reached a full 5%. NASDAQ 100 futures fell about 1% when trading reopened Sunday evening, but then they actually recovered very quickly. It was like a 10 minute spread. The S and P futures are up half a percent. Dow futures are up close to a full point. Investors are basically isolating this to Nvidia and leaving the broader AI trade alone. So that is some good news. And we'll see if the fallout to Nvidia lasts for very long. But that is where we're at right now.

• 8:45Tom Bilyeu?

  The first price on the scandal ultimately didn't come from NASDAQ. It came from crypto perpetual futures on Hyperliquid, the Blue Ocean overnight system and Robinhood's Sunday session where Nvidia was quoted 3.5 to 4% lower before Wall Street even got involved in the game. Nvidia is roughly flat for the year and 22% off its October peak. The S and P just had its worst week since April 2025, after Democrats took both chambers, as you guys well know, and are saying all kinds of unhinged things about what they want to do to AI. Plus, I think 40 of 41 ballot initiatives across the country passed to slow down or stop the build out of data centers.

• 9:29Tom Bilyeu?

  So America is not exactly signaling enthusiasm for AI. And so that is far more likely to have major implications in the market, the AI trade, and even Nvidia itself than these rumors, unless, or not rumors, the confirmed affair, but rumors about it being a spy. Now, that could change if it comes out that in fact, things were being leaked or that Jensen was compromised in some way. But we don't have any reason to believe that right now. So we'll see what happens. We'll get more information when earnings, Nvidia earnings, come out on November 17. So yeah, interesting. Now, the key phrase that's being used is basically this is key person risk. And so the board for now is saying that Jensen stays.

• 10:12Tom Bilyeu?

  You see a lot of public figures basically rallying around Jensen, saying he's still the right person to lead. So we'll see what happens. But when you look at some of the other companies, Microsoft is up since Bill Gates affair came out. Amazon is up since his affair came out. So people are saying this could be the bull case for Nvidia now that Jensen Huang's affair has come out. Now, that's all the like technical stuff, the stuff that's going to matter to your pocketbook. The thing that to me is just endlessly hilarious is how if you want to go after a powerful man, you almost always do it through sex.

• 10:52Tom Bilyeu?

  It is hysterically consistent and the number of times that this kind of thing happens is absolutely laughable. It is what nature wants uh from men to go out, have as many kids as you can, seek novel females and boy, do they deliver. Failing to understand male sexuality through the lens of uh power dynamics is a fool's errand and it is something that we've been trying to turn a blind eye on. Uh as a society to say that that's just like a choice that they make as if there's not massive evolutionary pressures that drive that algorithm into men's minds. And so people are constantly confused as to why this kind of thing happens. Now, my advice to myself and everybody else is not play that game.

• 11:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh if you're in a relationship and you want to start sleeping with somebody else, eject out of the relationship first. But nonetheless, that is not the path that these guys often take, especially when there are billions of dollars on the line in a divorce. But when it comes out like this, it's only going to be worse, gents. The negotiation does not go your way when you have been admitting to an affair. So anyway, people keep making this mistake. It will never cease to amuse me, but here we are.

• 12:02Speaker 02

  It's wild. Um. Some people in the chat are saying if this was a regular CEO, he would have been let go already. Do you think Jensen is that important in this specific time in the market? That that's why he was able to hold on to his job and not have to take a leave of absence or?

• 12:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Of course. It it is the most powerful company in the world right now. I think it at times, if it isn't right in this moment, has been the most valuable company on planet earth. Uh so yeah, this is uh when when I'm giving advice to young people, especially now, my core message is always, if you can make somebody money, you're always going to have a job. So just embrace that, focus on that. How do I go uh prove that I can make money for somebody and a substantive amount of money at that? Get out of all this bullshit Marxist labor theory of value. You're being exploited. Fuck all that. If you want a job in the age of AI, anytime, just go show that you can make money for somebody.

• 12:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Jensen makes so much money for so many people that they you are going to have to like pry that guy out of there. You would have to show that he's actually going to be a detriment. Now they'll turn on him instantly if he becomes so negative, so toxic to the stock price that they're now losing money. They have no allegiance to him whatsoever. They do not care about whether he's a good leader. They only care, is this guy going to be able to make my money? If he's able to make the money, he will stay. If he's not, they will cut him fucking loose so fast your head will spin. So yeah, this is a uh this is a very cold and calculating game that people are playing. When you're talking about this kind of money, uh they do not care about the morality of this at all. They want to know, can this guy make me money?

• 13:40Tom Bilyeu?

  And they are asking themselves a fundamental question. If his judgment was this bad with this chick and she ends up being a Chinese spy and you can turn him on that, then what other places is he making bad decisions uh on? But just like Bezo said when his affair came out, he's like, listen, I'll let you guys be the judge. I have built one of the most successful companies in all of human history. So do you really think that just because I fall prey to uh I'll call it evolutionary pressures and that I make decisions with my dick instead of my head when it comes to that? Do you think that that means that I don't make good decisions in the business because the two things are not related? And in fairness, that is true. So those are two tracks running in the brain. Now, if you've got somebody that literally cannot keep the business moving forward because they're essentially a sex addict,

• 14:25Tom Bilyeu?

  that's a totally different thing. Now you're dealing with self-destructive behaviors. But I shudder to think how many of these guys are having affairs? How many of them know about each other's affairs? And I'm not saying it's a majority or anything like that. I'm sure it's a small minority, but nonetheless, the number will certainly uh be eye-catching because it just keeps happening. Uh this is a thing that is time-tested. You're going to see this over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Uh when a man gets sufficiently powerful, the ability to have access, sexual access to females skyrockets. And I get that makes some people deeply uncomfortable, but it is nonetheless true.

• 15:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh so there is going to be a type of guy for all of time that will succumb to that, just always and forever. And then the question will become, despite the fact that some people may think him morally despicable, is he able to make people money? And if he is, he will continue to have a job, but if it becomes detrimental, they'll cut him loose. Now they'll say they're cutting him loose for moral reasons, but the reality is it will be about the money.

• 15:30Speaker 02

  How do you think like all this plays out? Like, do you think it will get to the fact that she is a spy? Or to me, it seems like a business executive trying to pull those threads. I don't think it's like CCP intelligence or anything at that level. But I mean, she was probably getting paid. There was incentives there. It seems like there is something there.

• 15:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Let me, instead of taking a road on this, because that's just pure crystal ball.

• 15:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:51Tom Bilyeu?

  I will say um nations understand everything that I just said. China's not stupid. They understand how meaningful it would be to them to flip Jensen. And it forget flip, he's not going to go work for the Chinese government. But to get him to be more inclined to do something good for China because there is somebody who's making him feel better about China. And by the way, keep in mind, I imagine, just like Ray Dalio, he's going to China and he's meeting lovely people and they are incredible and he has good relationships with them. And he he has said publicly that China should want their economy to do well. China should want their people to be prosperous. He's absolutely right about that.

• 16:32Tom Bilyeu?

  And he has a fiduciary responsibility to his shareholders and he knows that marketplace is gigantic. And so even without the like sexual twist of it all, he is incentivized to want to sell to them anyway. Now, nation states go hard in the paint to try to have uh undue influence on people. And so the fact, if this ends up playing out that she is in some way tied to China, um that's just China being smart about understanding one of the things that can get a man to be influenced, which is um a woman who looks at you like you're powerful and wants to have sex with you. That that is like a very powerful currency.

• 17:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, you were talking about that earlier. I kind of want to talk into the power dynamics of sex because you said something about that like when we first talked about this story like.

• 17:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 17:20Speaker 02

  I don't I don't mean to.

• 17:22Tom Bilyeu?

  No, go as deep as you want. This is one of the most fascinating things in the human.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, because you said something specific like if you if you're powerful, you'll have sex with her all day. If you're not like.

• 17:30Tom Bilyeu?

  If, so I have said to my own wife.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh hey, if you want to unlock the secret to me, um at if you make me feel powerful, like I'm really leading the family, I'm doing good things, I'm out here fighting the fight. If you can make me feel powerful, that's always going to be a massive intoxicant. If you look at me some type of way, then that's going to create massive tension. It's just like Lisa and I are re-watching the show Entourage, hilarious watching it in a new social context. But uh there's a scene between the powerful agent Ari Gold and his wife. And she's clearly in phenomenal shape, absolutely beautiful. And all she wants to hear from him is that he still thinks that she's attractive.

• 18:11Tom Bilyeu?

  If men fail to understand women's need to be the center of sexual attention, to be found beautiful, uh to be desired, they will be eternally confused. If women fail to understand that if they don't actually believe that their man is powerful, there are going to be problems. I'm not looking for either side to fake it. I'm saying you want to be in a relationship. Women want to be in a relationship with a man that they find powerful. A man wants to be in a relationship with a woman who finds him powerful. And when those things become misaligned, bro, you're going to have all kinds of problems. There there ought be no mystery as to why so many relationships end. When the kids leave the house, the woman's going through perimenopause, she's not feeling as sexual, she no longer feels like this need to take care of other people.

• 18:52Tom Bilyeu?

  She's not looking at that guy in the same way anymore, like all all of and by the way, the guy is most likely to be doing better in his career, making more money than ever. And so you run into these evolutionary dynamics where the woman is like, yep, I'm done playing this. I'm here to help you do better game. I want to go think about myself. The kids are out of the house. I'm done with that. Um she's not likely to be as sexually engaged as she once was. And men are now in a position where they're likely to get more attention, especially from younger females who are interested in access to resources if they have, you know, a meaningful.

• 19:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Advantage over her in terms of the ax, the resources that they have access to. And so this is like a loop that plays over and over and over and over and over in human dynamics. And so, yeah, we somehow culturally, we don't want to talk about it. It feels icky, whatever. And so people get blindsided by this stuff because they don't see it coming. And that's the one thing that if you just start mapping this stuff out as like, oh, okay, cool. That's what is likely to come for me. Whether you're a woman and it's like, oh, okay, menopause is going to be this hormonal shift that completely changes the way that I interface with the world, myself, my husband, my kids, all of it is going to change. And men, understanding that, oh shit, like there, there might come a time where you're

• 20:14Tom Bilyeu?

  having to renegotiate the relationship with your wife, renegotiate like your sexual engagement. People hate that fucking word, but hey, this, this is life and people don't want to think about it, talk about it. And so it plays out exactly like this.

• 20:28Speaker 02

  It's, it's wild. Um, but there, those different layers within the sexual tension that's happening, but we'll see what happens, man. Um, I, I agree. I think he's just too big to fail at this point. Like there's too much betting on this that this is going to be a big deal until it's not, it's going to blow over.

• 20:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. If, if Chinese spy problem, if not Chinese spy, then it'll blow over. It, and if stock go up and Chinese spy, it won't matter. If not Chinese spy and stock go down, still a problem. So it's like very basic things are at play in terms of what this is going to look like, but they will be in a difficult spot if she's a Chinese spy and then people are playing back all of the old things that he said about, uh, you know, wanting to sell more to China, about just speaking pro-China. If we find out that he's been influenced by a Chinese spy and has been influencing the Trump administration. Now, if there's sufficient pressure put on Trump in a lame duck period where everybody's turning against AI, he's now in a slightly more difficult position and at a minimum

• 21:27Tom Bilyeu?

  may start distancing himself from Huang. Then if Jensen has less influence with the administration, the world is turning on AI, the AI trade starts faltering and the whole like AI trade starts going down. Now Jensen looks less appetizing and all of a sudden you can say, okay, as a way to sort of reboot the psychology of everybody, maybe we ditch him and we get somebody else in. But it will come down, finding generational entrepreneurs like Jensen is hard. And so it won't be easy to just swap him out. We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead, so don't go anywhere. Luxury brands are not charging you more for better cashmere. You're paying for the storefront, the ad budget, the name on the tag, but Quince cuts all of that out.

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• 23:38Speaker 02

  All right. Speaking of some shakeups, we talked about the blue wave, um, last week, but there's been some response on the Trump administration. He's a, making some cleanup, some changes on his side. Let's jump into it.

• 23:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Boys and girls, you got major shakeups playing out in Trump's cabinet. A whistleblower went on Joe Rogan and absolutely torched the administration. There's a guy named Callie Means. He's an Impact Theory alumni, by the way. Go check out that episode. Millions of views coming from your boy, Callie Means and I sitting down together. But he spent two hours with Rogan recently and homeboy named names. For those who don't know, Callie Means was the senior White House advisor. He was running the Make America Healthy Again implementation with RFK. I think he was the lead advisor to RFK. He ended up resigning back in October and I wouldn't be surprised if that was partly so that he could go nuclear on everybody and just let them know where things stood.

• 24:31Tom Bilyeu?

  And his central claim is that Susie Wiles, who was the chief of staff until very recently, he said that she was the most powerful chief of staff in modern American history and she had a quote, stranglehold on any policy decision. And he claims that she used it to protect donors. So not the administration. According to Means, she told him, himself repeatedly, we need money for the midterms, Callie. He says that Susie Wiles, um, A Susie Wiles deputy, put glyphosate executive orders on the table and told him it was final, like we're, we're doing this. And Wiles called Kennedy's office and said, we're not discussing this.

• 25:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Meaning glyphosate is, is going to get protections despite the fact that there are massive, um, I don't know if the studies are conclusive, but there's so much smoke around the fact that glyphosate causes cancer that to give them preemptive protections is not something that if America understood it nakedly, that they would find popular. I just have to believe that to the core of my existence. If people really understood what was going on there, they're not going to be for that. Callie Means says that Susie Wiles team was still pushing HHS to find a pathway for fruit flavored vapes on her last day. So certainly not painting a picture that she was somebody that's going to help America actually get healthy again.

• 25:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Now if Means is right, lobbying access to, uh, the Trump administration ran through Ballard, Ballard Partners, that's Susie Wiles's old firm, and through Continental Strategy, where her own daughter works. Means also named James Blair, Richard Walters, Walker Barrett, and pollster Tony Fabrizio, whose firm pulled for Pfizer while Fabrizio advised the White House on Maha policy. Man, if all of that is true, uh, that is definitely not a good look for the people that have been trying to fight against RFK's, uh, agenda. Now I find people's, um, read on RFK to be very strange. Uh, I get it. He's a wacky dude that's had a crazy past, but when you look at the things that he's

• 26:39Tom Bilyeu?

  actually going for, I'll set, uh, the most controversial one around, um, vaccinations to the side for a second. And when you just look at some of the things that he's trying to do, like fight against glyphosate, uh, it's pretty obvious that he's somebody that is legitimately trying to help America get healthy again. And at a minimum, I would expect people to go, okay, let's start separating out his policies. These policies good. If you want to say that his policies on vaccinations are unhinged, fine, but throwing the baby out with the bathwater on him is wild to me. Uh, so it's going to be very interesting to see what comes out of this. America is sliding into a level of health decline that should startle anybody.

• 27:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, we are the wealthiest nation the world has ever known, and yet our life expectancy is declining and that is not because we're not innovating in healthcare, or I should say, um, the actual like things that you can get done to make yourself healthier from surgeries to drugs, all of it. Despite all of the breakthroughs that we've done, it's not enough to overcome just absolutely horrendous diet. There, there is a saying in the workout community, you can't outrun a bad diet. And that is just absolutely true. Once people understand that what you eat is the game, uh, if what you eat is in some way being made more toxic, either by things like glyphosate, uh, or just what we advise to people.

• 28:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Remember the food pyramid until very recently was telling people just to eat carbs. That's like telling people just to eat sugar. Doesn't matter if it comes from grains or refined sugar, it still turns into glucose in your bloodstream, which is horrible, which is why people get obese. They overeat it. Yes, obesity is from consuming too many calories, but the types of calories that you consume also play a major role because your cells are quite literally made from the things you eat. Uh, so anyway, all of that is wild. America is in dire straits from a health perspective and all of us should be on board with reversing that trend. And it sounds like Susie Wiles was not exactly working towards that end. Now, after about an hour after the Callie Means, Joe Rogan episode dropped, Trump posted

• 28:49Tom Bilyeu?

  that Wiles was moving to his political operation and Stephen Miller, uh, one of the most controversial figures in Trump's administration will become the new chief of staff, starting today, boys and girls. Today, Stephen Miller is now in that role. It is going to be very interesting to see what plays out there because Trump, we're going to get into this more later, but Trump is taking a far more conciliatory, uh, tone now that he got his ass handed to him in the midterms. Uh, but putting Stephen Miller in the chief of staff role is definitely a warning shot across the bow that he's not just going to be capitulating to everything that the Democrats want. Uh, so it's going to be a very interesting political battle. Now Trump, even as Susie Wiles was exiting, praised her work.

• 29:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Means had taped the Rogan episode before all of the shakeup. Uh, so obviously he wouldn't have addressed that in the episode, but when he was asked whether what he said on Rogan was a factor in Wiles getting bounced, he said, quote, "I have no idea." Now I have to imagine he thinks that it played some role, but Trump was likely to make shakeups in the administration anyway. He said as much in a recent interview. So, um, impossible to say for sure, but it is a good, uh, bit of red meat to throw to the base to try to get them back together to say, okay, we found her. She was the one that was creating all these problems. I would have made far better decisions if she wasn't cockblocking me. So I'll be interested to see if that ends up being the narrative that comes out.

• 30:15Tom Bilyeu?

  It is certainly the narrative that people are putting forward right now, that Susie Wiles was, um, I think Callie Means said, he definitely said something like this, but, um, people treat Trump like a baby, meaning that they keep things from him. They only want him to have the information that they give him. And so they're constantly trying to hide things from him. They're constantly trying to spin things to get him to take a stance on something that will be good for, um, the donors essentially. All right, let's hear directly from Callie himself.

• 30:46Speaker 03

  Excuse everything.

• 30:47Speaker 04

  So the New York Times reported that tobacco lobbyists had actually been at the president's Florida golf course with him at lunch advocating to the president, he picked up the phone and he called RFK Junior.

• 31:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:00Speaker 04

  Did that happen?

• 31:01Speaker 03

  I don't know. Brian Ballard was at that meeting and I know that Suzie set up a lot of meetings with Brian Ballard to get a talking point that the president supports something. Again, I do not think fruit flavored vapes or gas station heroin is any percentage of what President Trump is thinking about or wants to do.

• 31:21Speaker 04

  Because there is a pattern here.

• 31:22Tom Bilyeu?

  What is he calling gas station heroin? Is that another name for vapes or is he referring to something else?

• 31:27Speaker 05

  I'm pretty sure it's just like any like over the counter type pill stuff you can get from the gas station is what they're usually referring to, right?

• 31:34Tom Bilyeu?

  What kind of pills do they sell?

• 31:35Speaker 05

  You can get like ED pills and stuff like Rhino pills and things like that. That's my, that's my assumption.

• 31:40Tom Bilyeu?

  That's what we're calling gas station heroin. Somebody look that up for me. Yeah, please. I've got to know because calling ED pills, gas station heroin is pretty wild.

• 31:49Speaker 05

  It's a slang term for Tia Nept- uh, Tia Neptun, if I'm pronouncing that right. It's brands like Tiana, Zaza, Pegasus and Neptune's Fix.

• 31:59Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't know what any of this is. What is happening?

• 32:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's, it just says it's an unapproved chemical.

• 32:03Speaker 02

  Kraton, Kraton? Everybody's saying Kraton in the chat.

• 32:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Creato- Kraton?

• 32:08Speaker 05

  Oh, Kratom?

• 32:09Tom Bilyeu?

  What the fuck is that?

• 32:09Speaker 02

  K-R-A-T-O-M.

• 32:10Speaker 05

  That sounds so familiar. I'm gonna go look that up.

• 32:12Tom Bilyeu?

  What are you guys eating, man? Like, we really got to talk about, yeah, everybody's saying Kratom, Kratom, Kratom, Kratom. Kratom is gas station heroin.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  That's hilarious. Everybody in the chat knows. Everybody knows.

• 32:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Chat is on this, man. Jeez, I've never even heard of that.

• 32:27Speaker 05

  It's a, oh, it's a stimulant. So it is like the Rhino pill type.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  I've never seen this much unity in the chat ever. In all my years of doing this show, I've never seen everybody be on one accord in the chat ever.

• 32:39Tom Bilyeu?

  These guys, like, they have it sitting at home right now. There's no way. These guys were too fast. Fingers were dislocated typing Kratom so fast in the chat. That is wild. Uh, okay, well, I had no idea.

• 32:52Speaker 02

  We gotta get to the baby part.

• 32:54Speaker 04

  It was in the first Trump administration that the FDA tried to crack down on Kratom, what you're calling gas station heroin. They also tried to crack down on fruit flavored vapes. The FDA commissioner at that time, Dr. Scott Gottlieb, left.

• 33:08Speaker 03

  And I think-

• 33:09Speaker 04

  And yet in the second Trump administration, these very same issues are surfacing again. Are you sure the president isn't okay with it?

• 33:16Speaker 03

  I am sure that the president is, realizes that he has a generational coalition with Secretary Kennedy. He respects Secretary Kennedy. He wants to go hard on the issue of improving health for children. I think he had severe, uh, uh, poor advice from people, I, I think, who treated him like a baby in many respects and used him.

• 33:41Speaker 04

  The president's staff treat him like a baby?

• 33:43Speaker 03

  Of course. They, they would, they would block access to and information to him all the time. I, I would be not surprised at all. You know, they had very short conversations on these issues, you know, where the president's extremely busy and the president said, okay, whatever. And then they-

• 33:58Speaker 04

  Or he's not interested.

• 34:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, then they use that. Like, like it's all, it was all like the president wants this.

• 34:05Speaker 04

  Well-

• 34:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, that, one of my great fears as a leader is when you have a complex organization and the country obviously being the most complex of all organizations ever, uh, everything has to be predigested for you and given to you uh, because there's no universe in which you're going to have the time to do all of that yourself. And so you're trusting people to tell you, okay, these are the things that really matter, that they have looked at their segment of the world and yes, these are the three things you should be paying attention to. But then they also have the ability to spin the way that you think about those things. And so, wow, getting people that you can trust is, uh, key and it is extremely

• 34:46Tom Bilyeu?

  difficult. Yeah. I, I don't envy anybody in the president's position, knowing that people are always going to be jockeying for position, for how something gets spun, whether it gets put to you as the most important thing, the second most, third most, 10th most, all that stuff matters. The president's daily brief is like this whole behind the scenes battle over what's going to be on top and how it's going to be presented. Uh, yeah, this is exactly how the quote unquote deep state can gain power because they know there's no way for people to have enough of the information or that even once you put the edict out there, that it will actually be followed through. It, this is the danger of the bureaucracy. This is why people should have an absolutely inherent

• 35:26Tom Bilyeu?

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• 36:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for staying tuned. Now let's get back to it.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  Um, do you think these are kind of the right moves to be making after the administration? Cause there was kind of mixed reviews about Stephen Miller taking that top spot. Some people say Stephen Miller's gonna double down. He's gonna be just as worse. But then now we're hearing that Stephen Miller is a, you know, MAGA loyalist and maybe he can actually implement the president's agenda without all these middlemen lobbyists getting in the way.

• 37:13Tom Bilyeu?

  The right way to parse Stephen Miller would be that he is somebody who wants whatever Trump wants and will be honest with him about what he thinks the situation is, but his read on the universe may be so, um, toxic that it ends up just being a worse problem, a worse problem. I'll finish the sentence, but it is, um, it very much is somebody who's, has presented himself publicly as being ultra loyal. I've not heard anybody say anything other than that. But this is like surrounding yourself with yes men. It is, you want to talk about things that I fear. Uh, I am terrified to be surrounded by people who are telling me what they think that I want to hear rather than challenging me when there is a blind spot that I have.

• 37:58Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't think Stephen Miller is a guy that challenges your ideas when you have a blind spot, when you're him and Trump. So on that side, I think that he's now got somebody that will act like an attack dog. If he sends him out to do a thing, he's gonna do that thing. Uh, and so great for Trump, not necessarily great for the country, but hearing all this stuff about Susie Wiles, you know, you're trading one bad thing for another.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, well, it, it does seem like we're, um, we're getting a different type of Trump. I don't want to say type of Trump, but you know, maybe he is pivoting, especially after that 60 Minutes interview. Like, it definitely seems like he's coming around and he might be more open to kind of-

• 38:36Tom Bilyeu?

  I think it's fair to say that you're getting a different type of Trump. It was very weird to see how he was behaving. If you guys haven't seen it, you had a politically wounded Trump on the 60 minute interview saying things even his most diehard supporters couldn't believe. So he sat down on November 6th, uh, it was three days after the Democrat shellacking of the Republicans. And then the interview ended up airing on the 8th. This was his first interview since the midterms and Ross Dovat asked like, what one thing would Trump want to work with the Democrats on? Because Trump had said, listen, I think I can work with the Democrats on a lot of stuff.

• 39:14Tom Bilyeu?

  And then the first thing that Trump said, which was absolutely shocking, was immigration. So, uh, Dovat was like, uh, say what? So he pushed Trump to go further. I don't know if we have the clip, but if we do, uh, let's play it.

• 39:28Speaker 05

  You came out after the midterms. You congratulated the Democrats. You said that you were open to working with them. True. What is one thing you would like to work with a Democratic majority on? I'd love to do something on immigration. What? Because, well- Do you think immigration hurt you in the midterm? Do you think the crackdown hurt you?

• 39:47Speaker 06

  I think it both helped and hurt. I think I got an A plus for closing up the border.

• 39:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Right about that.

• 39:52Speaker 06

  I get very high marks for getting the bad ones out. But I get hurt because we also took people that had good jobs that created one violation or breaking of the law, and that was that they came into the country illegally. Now, there is a large part of the country that think that they should be put out, and there's a large part of the country that think that they should be allowed to stay. If they're good people, working in a landscaping company, or working in a hotel, or doing something, right? And, in some cases, paying taxes. And there's a large group of people think that they should be allowed to stay.

• 40:28Speaker 05

  So you think your deportation policy went too far? It was too tough?

• 40:32Speaker 06

  I think it might be too tough, yeah.

• 40:33Speaker 05

  What would happen? What does the deal look like with the Democrats?

• 40:36Speaker 06

  Ultimately, that hurt me. Well, the deal would be, we would work something out, and I think it's something, I think that's something that's actually doable.

• 40:43Speaker 05

  Doable to create? Some kind of legal status for the landscapers and the...

• 40:47Speaker 06

  Yeah. When you go into a hotel, and you have a woman that's worked there as a, you know, as a maid, as a cleaner, as a this, as a that, as a waitress, a lot of good things, great jobs, and all of a sudden, they're being taken out of the country, it's tough. It's a tough thing. But there's a group of people that I would say on the, sort of, pretty far right, that would like everybody taken out.

• 41:10Speaker 05

  Do some of them, do any of those...

• 41:12Tom Bilyeu?

  He may have said it before, and I just missed it, but I've never heard Trump talk about, like, the pretty far right. So you can see him trying to, like, make sense, okay, I lost, but it couldn't have been my fault, everybody loves me, so what's really going on? Okay, we've got a division in the party, and you've got some people out on the far right. See him being a little bit hesitant to label that, and trying to make sense of, okay, wait a second, I actually see a slightly different path, and I think that I went too far because of the influence from the far right, you know, my own party, so now how do we make something good?

• 41:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, I will be absolutely shocked if he's able to come to an agreement that would please both Republicans and Democrats, because the way that people have been, like, headlining this, which I think is, I get where they're coming from, but I think it's a bit over the top, that Trump, they're saying, as if Trump actually said these words, that Trump is going to do a broad-based amnesty program for millions of illegals. It's not what he said, but, what, the idea that he's playing with, that there are some people here, whether they're on farms or in hotels, that it's like, because he has definitely mentioned farms before, where it's like, listen, you've got people doing good work,

• 42:35Tom Bilyeu?

  hard work, and when you start grabbing those people and sending them out, then you've got the people running the business, like, bro, what am I supposed to do? I don't have workers that will actually fill these positions. And then, there are people that, in some cases, have been here for a very long time. So, we talked about this when he first started doing his immigration policy, and I was like, to be honest, there's probably something to that. There's probably something, listen, you've been here for 20 years, and you're paying taxes, and if you're not a net drain on the system, that maybe there's some path to getting people citizenship. And so, that, it'll be very interesting to see what the reaction is from the right on that.

• 43:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Obviously, Democrats will all be screaming that he's not going far enough, almost no matter what he says. So, yeah, it'll be interesting to see if he can actually build a coalition there.

• 43:26Speaker 05

  Do people work in your administration? Are they in the building with us right now?

• 43:30Speaker 06

  No, no, well, there are a lot of those people. Then there's also people that are more...

• 43:34Tom Bilyeu?

  He's basically insinuating, this is Stephen Miller.

• 43:36Speaker 06

  Get the killers out, get all the rough ones out, get the drug dealers out, but let the people that are here, and in some cases, here for 10 and 15 years, work a deal for them.

• 43:48Speaker 05

  Do you think the Democratic Party right now has people in it who would be interested in this kind of deal?

• 43:54Speaker 06

  I think so, yeah. People have already called me.

• 43:56Tom Bilyeu?

  So, the question is, the thing that he'll be able to get his own side to agree with, because keep in mind, there's a huge incentive right now for Republicans to, at a certain pace, doesn't necessarily mean right away, but at a certain pace, you have to start distancing yourself from the president if you want to have any chance of winning in '28. So, there are going to be plenty of people that are now going to start carving out the difference between themselves and Trump. You've already seen J.D. Vance start laying the groundwork. Now, Trump has been very receptive to the message that Iran cost them the election, so the fact that J.D. went out and said that, he's already metabolized that, so he hasn't had any pushback or beef with that. But I'll be very surprised if J.D.

• 44:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Vance doesn't start creating some space between him and the president. And I think at some point, it will likely become contentious, if not with J.D. Vance, with other people in the party. So, the people that are Republicans, thinking about what they're going to be able to run on in '28 to get reelected, because representatives are coming up every two years, so they can't afford to, you know, not think about the upcoming elections. So, they're going to be thinking, what will my base vote me in on? And if Trump is talking about letting in million, or creating amnesty for millions of people, and I've been banging the drum about, we can't let these guys vote, now you're going to be in for a rough time.

• 45:18Tom Bilyeu?

  So, the real question is, is there a thing that Republicans will get on board with that Democrats would think goes far enough? And that will be the central political question of the immigration debate. I was just very surprised that that was the one that he went straight for.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, and there's been some interesting kind of speculation around the loss as well, where we have both Nick Fuentes and his camp, and Hasan Piker and their camp, talking about the future of the parties, how we can navigate these things going forward. I kind of want to play these two clips back to back, and then we can kind of respond, or do you want to jump in?

• 45:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Let me set it up a little bit. So, the Republican Party is wounded massively. And so, it is always just like at the end of the presidential election two years ago, what we ended up with was, everybody's saying that the Democrat Party is unelectable right now, we've got to do like a truth and reconciliation, what happened? That didn't go well. The report that was put forward, it was like a mess, it was like put forward, it was, they tried to delay it, and they finally put it forward because they were forced, and like, it doesn't even make any, like, real prescription about what they should do, it didn't seem to own up to the real things that hurt them. And so, everybody was like, oh my God, like, these guys are really in trouble, and unless

• 46:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Trump shoots himself in the foot, then the Republicans are just going to run away with it. Then, of course, he proceeds to shoot himself in the foot, both feet and the face. And so, then it was like, okay, now we're back in play, and we've got a shot here. So, now, the Republicans are in the exact same position. What is going wrong? What would we have to do to re-win support so that we can gain power? Now, both Nick Fuentes and Hasan Piker claim a tremendous percentage of the victory being due to them, and these are both the sort of young guys that are coming up, that are trying to wrestle control of the party ideologically to be leaders. As of right now, neither of them are actual political figures, but to call them political operatives might not be too far from the truth.

• 47:18Tom Bilyeu?

  They're both people that are having behind-the-scenes conversations, they're both people that have a large and growing audience, they both represent very extreme energy in their parties. And so, seeing these guys now go to war as the next generation comes up, fighting for the ideological spirit of the country, or at least their parties, is going to get pretty wild. Both of them are extreme, and I think likely to get more extreme as we go further and further down the funnel of populism. I've been saying this over and over and over, the reason that populism is so dangerous is that it pushes everybody to reason emotionally, it pushes everybody onto a team, it pushes

• 48:01Tom Bilyeu?

  everybody to create these purity tests, and you start getting, because people are responding emotionally, you get these positive feedback loops, where the more extreme you are, the more people feel the way that they want to feel when they listen to your content, it's, you know, bang for blood, all of that, it gets everybody riled up. And that then gives the commentator the sense of like, yeah, the more I lean into this, the better it does for me, the more the people are following me, the more likely I am to get this agenda through. Nobody's trying to come back to the middle. Everybody's like, I want to take my side as extreme as I can, so that we actually have a high-ground position with which we can attack the other side. And so, it's going to be interesting, you're almost certainly going to see another attempted coup.

• 48:46Tom Bilyeu?

  So, you had Trump coup the Republican Party with MAGA, and now we're about to see if you're going to get any sort of real Nick Fuentes attempted coup on that side. Hasan Piker, I think, has been the leader of the band on the DSA wing of the Democrat Party for a while now. They're having a lot of success in hijacking the party, at least according to me. I know that that's somewhat controversial, but I do think that that's true. If you guys saw the big march against Jeffries, where people were basically saying, yep, we're coming after you, you're not doing enough, you got to get out. So I think that that's going to, in the coming decade for sure, build an energy on both sides.

• 49:29Tom Bilyeu?

  So, now, with all of that in mind, let's listen to these boys talk directly.

• 49:47Speaker 05

  No reason that I should be a spokesman for the Democrats making the case that they're more America first than Republicans. So why was I and why were we? Because Republicans made us. Republicans ostracized me. They ostracized the Groypers. They gave us no choice. How could I go out and tell people to vote for Republicans, the same Republicans that were condemning and disavowing me and my ideology and my supporters and trying to get them fired wherever they had jobs? How could I do that? Republicans took me and put me on the other side. They said they wanted me outside the Republican Party.

• 50:31Speaker 05

  So I showed them what we could do outside. I would like now, and I think the Groypers would too, the opportunity to show the Republicans what we could do on the inside. There's no reason that young, white men that are serious about their religious convictions and Christianity that are extremely conservative about immigration, foreign policy, the economy and tariffs, there's no reason people like us should be supporting Amy Acton and the Democrats. But Republicans made us because they didn't want us. They disavowed us and they put up Vivek Ramaswamy and they put up people like, like Ken Paxton and Mike Rogers and Mike

• 51:12Speaker 05

  Collins. The very conservative, young, white men, Christians, patriotic and non-white too, and women, of course, as well. We should feel comfortable in the GOP. But the GOP needs to help us help them. They need to cooperate with us. If they expect to win young people, who are the young people they expect to win without the Groypers? The Groypers are going to be the young Republicans going forward. We are the 18 to 29-year-old demographic cohort that are going to vote Republican. Stop firing us. Stop alienating us. Stop hunting us down, condemning us, calling us names like white supremacist and Nazi and

• 51:56Speaker 05

  anti-Semite. Help us. Help us help you. And we would be happy to help Republicans if they are willing to give America first a chance.

• 52:09Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm letting this go because it, pause it for a second. At one point, he starts talking about, it looks, okay, it must not be in this clip. So we can stop it there and I'll fill in some of the gaps. In, in this same episode, he goes on to say, if the Republican Party wants a war, I will gladly give them one. We will go in, we will basically take this thing over, not literally by force, but the idea being that we've got so much energy, we've got so much clarity on what we want to do, that we will, and I don't think he said like the DSA, I'm pretty sure he didn't, but it gave me that same vibe.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  Jan 6 the party?

• 52:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Jan 6 the party. I don't think he would quite say it like that, but-

• 52:48Speaker 02

  That was his movement.

• 52:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, but would he say Jan 6 the party? Probably not. But the idea being that, just like the DSA is wearing the Democrat Party like a skin suit, I think you would see the same thing where the Groypers would try to wear the Republican Party like a skin suit. Where it's, it is not in any way, shape or form, the Republican Party that I would recognize as somebody who's in his 50s. It would be a new, more polarizing version of the Republican Party. And, but using the infrastructure, using the ability to raise funds, that kind

• 53:29Tom Bilyeu?

  of thing to get more of their candidates elected. And so it ends up being a Groypers versus the DSA fight for the Democrat and Republican Parties. So it's going to get, I think it's going to get pretty wild. Because right now, the only thing that the Republicans can do is further alienate the Groyper base in the same way that the Democrats tried to alienate the more extreme wing of the DSA, but were not able to do that. So I will be surprised unless somebody rises up that has more influence with young people than Nick Fuentes, which I don't see anybody on the horizon. You're going to have a problem.

• 54:13Speaker 02

  Now I hear Hassan's side from the other-

• 54:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so actually, let me, because this was on election night. So this, the reason that I wanted to pull this clip is he's not talking here about, he's not making the same statement. You're seeing this a step beyond. So he was making those kind of claims maybe a year ago about we've got to get in, take over the party. Now, he's just saying, as if he ran the party, now seeing the results that we got, we should have pushed even harder. And I will be very interested to see if anybody has a take where they think that I am seeing this out of context. But when I say six months from now or two years from now, hey, remember when Hassan said that we should be running communists or the DSA are communists and

• 55:00Tom Bilyeu?

  people try to tell me that I'm misunderstanding them? I'm going to play this on a loop.

• 55:03Speaker 03

  We should have been way more active. We should have fucked socialists in every fucking, dude. We should have been, we should have been running socialists in every primary. This would have been, this would have been, I mean, look, I'm happy with what we got result-wise, but we should have been running straight communists in some of these blue, in some of these blue districts and, and running the moderate socialist wing of the DSA in, in these other ones. We should have been way more active.

• 55:34Tom Bilyeu?

  And he's not kidding. Like, these are not jokes. This is where these guys want to go. They've put it up on their own website. And people are trying to make out like this is not going in a more and more extreme direction, that they don't want something absolutely destructive to the very engine of prosperity that has made this country what it is. And they do. And so you're now going to see a battle for the will largely of young people between these two figures. As right now, they're, they're the sort of figureheads of their respective movements. Whether they end up being the ones or not, they represent an energy that people dismiss at their own peril.

• 56:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. So we, we got here through like the immigration policy and how the Republican administration will react to this election. If you kind of, you know, like Kelly Means, took a step down, if Stephen Miller called Tom and was like, Tom, this is what we need to do to kind of right the party, not even the party, right this administration so that way Trump has a positive next two years, that he leaves out with a high approval rating, everybody loves him again, things like that. What do you think should be their priorities now, after this blue tsunami with the next couple of years in front of them?

• 56:45Tom Bilyeu?

  You have to focus on the economy. It's that simple. And this actually, and I don't know if you meant it this way, but this is a perfect setup to the idea of the people that are waking up to the K-shaped economy is getting really interesting. The, if Stephen Miller were foolish enough to call me, because obviously I'm a, we got to get everybody back to the middle, you can't act like a psychopath, all of your rhetoric is completely unhinged, you are making the problem worse. It would be, listen, the K-shaped economy is so bad that anytime that you or Trump find yourself wanting to say, but the stock market is good, immediately stop. Shut your fucking mouth. It is not going to help you. And if your policies are geared towards making sure that the stock market keeps crushing,

• 57:30Tom Bilyeu?

  stop. You're going to hurt everybody. You've got to find a way for the middle class to be thriving. And the way for the middle class to be thriving is to find a way to empower the worker. And right now, everything that every government has been doing left or right, it doesn't matter, has been to weaken the American worker. And so, yes, you're right that you've got to stop importing cheap labor, for sure. But ultimately, you have to not think that, oh, if the stock market is doing well, everybody's happy. Call it 50% of Americans have a 401K, that's a meaningful thing that they pay attention to, but 50% do not. And so when you look at all of the gains going to the executive class and the

• 58:14Tom Bilyeu?

  worker being disempowered through globalism, through the importation of cheap labor, through abuses of H1B policies and things like that, it's like, kids, you're just going to keep losing. Because you can say all day, Trump's whole thing is, I just have messages well, how well I've done for the economy. No, the problem is that the economy isn't good for the average person. And so you've got to have a message that resonates with them. And it's not going to be that your 401K will serve you well in 25, 30 years. That's just not going to be an interesting message. It's got to be, you're making more money at your job in real terms, meaning you're outpacing inflation every year, and that you expect in 10 years to be in a much better financial position than you are today, that you expect

• 58:57Tom Bilyeu?

  your kids to be in a better financial position than you, that people don't have to wait until they're 40 to own a house. Like, there are really, there's probably like a handful of things you could just put in front of them and say, okay, real wages have to go up. The age at which people are buying a house has to come way down. It's 40 now. I would say aim for 30. 30 is survivable. 40 is not. That's going to be a political nightmare. Get there via deregulation. Don't try to do fancy price controls. That will certainly backfire. Make sure that you're bringing manufacturing back to the US. You've got to do something about workers being more powerful in terms of their ability to be educated on the things that matter, so that they're entering the workforce in a place

• 59:39Tom Bilyeu?

  that's going to work for them. That AI doesn't just glut and cut out every job that an entry level person would otherwise get to. Figure out what you do about not forcing everybody to go to college. And this is going to be something that's, I expect to be controversial. Basically, when you're interviewing somebody for a job, you're basically trying to figure out if they're smart and if they know their job. And so college becomes a proxy for, is this person smart? What school did they get into? What kind of grades did they get? But that system is completely falling apart. Nobody trusts it anymore. And so now you're forcing kids to take on six figures in debt and nobody believes the results. So it's

• 1:00:23Tom Bilyeu?

  just, the whole system is fucked. And, yeah, gas prices come down, grocery prices come down, housing prices come down, real wages are going up. If you did those things and then you're, the belief that you're doing wars at the behest of a foreign government, true or not, like you're going to have to beat those allegations. And if you do those five things, you'll do well. If you fail to do those five things, you will keep getting your ass handed to you.

• 1:00:55Speaker 02

  You set up the Shemav T, so I'mma read that through. And these are, I think, more productive conversations we're having after the election. Then we're gonna jump into the less productive conversations that some people are having next. But this is Shemav's T. "When I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I thought when unemployment was low, GDP was high, household income rose. It meant everyone was winning. Not true. The American economy has decoupled the economic progress of asset owners from wage earners to such a degree that broad-based measures of success are no longer reliable measures of progress. The single issue of asset ownership versus progress of wage earners will be the defining issue in all future elections. Other issues will get caught in the interpretation: price of eggs, Iran war, price of gas, etc. But the candidate that realizes that those are downstream of asset versus wage earners

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  and get their messaging focused on it will win. No amount of money spent in an election or gerrymandering will change this outcome. This is what I learned on November 3rd."

• 1:01:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Like, we've been banging the drum on this show about that for over a year. The reality is if you don't have a strong middle class, you are in trouble. And the fact that the quote-unquote "elite" have allowed themselves to remain completely retarded on this for as long as they have is ridiculous. And remember, this is not a left or a right issue. I wish it were. That would make it far easier to solve. But the reality is that it's not. It's people that understand that you can fake people out, make them think that the economy's growing by outsourcing your jobs everywhere, and it's only the deplorables that lose their job, and so fuck 'em. I mean, it's just absolutely ridiculous. That these chickens would not come home to roost is so absurd. Whenever...

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