How to Master Your Mind, Body & Breath Like a Warrior | Rickson Gracie (Fan Fav)

This is a fan fav episode. Reaching your full potential is a pursuit worth going for regardless of your goals for life, business or relationships. You will have so many options and opportunities in life to become extraordinary, the only question is how and what’s stopping you. Rickson Gracie is a living legend with over 450 wins in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. As much of a warrior he has become over the years as a 9th degree red belt, he is also kind, spiritual, and connected in mind and body. His story represents what is achievable when you control your mind, your body, and your spirit. He shares the importance of the breath and what it takes to be uncomfortable, seek out discomfort and learn to master and control yourself in that discomfort. Though you may not be on a mission to become a jiu jitsu competitor, you will still benefit from the lessons shared byu Master Rickson Gracie in this episode. Order Rickson Gracie’s new book, Breathe: A Life In Flow: ⁠https://amzn.to/3CGVz4C⁠ Original air date: 8-17-2021 SHOW NOTES: 0:00 | Introduction Rickson Gracie 2:10 | Kindness of a True Warrior 4:26 | Tools of Martial Arts 7:34 | Control Mind Body & Spirit 15:32 | Spiritual Power of a Warrior 17:35 | When the Fight Comes 24:55 | Developing Moral Values 37:18 | Elements Needed for Mindset 40:09 | The Gift of Being Present 46:37 | Allow Kids Their Own Path 50:24 | Uncomfortable Breathing 54:26 | Help Non-Fighters Fight Life Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:08Speaker 01

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• 1:40Speaker 02

  After my biggest loss in my life, which is losing my son, who is 18 years old, I was confused for a while, about three or four years. In a dark, thinking about suicide, or thinking about drugs, thinking about, you know, what's the purpose of life? And I realized with Hoxton's departure, we may not have tomorrow. Tomorrow may never happen.

• 2:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Impact Theory. Today, I am joined by a living legend. This man's life is so extraordinary. The one, the only, Master Hixson Gracie.

• 2:19Speaker 02

  Thank you, Tom.

• 2:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Thank you so much for being here, dude. I read your book cover to cover. I was blown away. I watched the documentary choke. I knew who you were before I read your book and before I saw the documentary. But this was performance on a level. The note I took was this is a person who's actually made use of his full potential. It is really extraordinary what you've accomplished in jujitsu.

• 2:46Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:46Tom Bilyeu?

  I mean, the Gracie name at this point is synonymous with jujitsu.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:51Tom Bilyeu?

  In large part, thanks to just your unbelievable accomplishments. We'll get into some of the specifics for sure as we go. But there was one moment in the documentary that defined for me why you're so different than everyone I've ever met. And that is you're, you were in a championship fight. But the way that it was, was it was rounds back to back, or fights back to back. So you would beat one opponent, then you'd get paired with another opponent. And so you and this other guy each had, I think, two full fights before you met.

• 3:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:21Tom Bilyeu?

  And he had been punched in the face so many times.

• 3:25Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 3:25Tom Bilyeu?

  That he couldn't see. And in the locker room, somebody in your corner said, you've got to punch him. And do you remember what you said?

• 3:31Speaker 02

  Yes. Said, I don't, I don't want it, and I don't need to hurt him to win the fight. Because I felt compelling based on, he's a warrior, he's a tough guy, he's lighter. He previous fight against a Dutch guy who was very mean and dirty. And poke his finger, poke his eye with the finger. And he was hurt. And he won this fight after about a battle of 30 minutes or 40 minutes fight. And then he fought another big wrestler who's also. And then he end up in the finals with me. It was an eight man tournament.

• 4:13Speaker 02

  And my training partners, my people say, "Oh, you have to kill this guy." Punch him. I said, "I don't have to be violent on this guy." Because I'm not intimidated by him. The opportunity is based on striking. So I will be gentle, because I believe I'm more technical than him. And I can win. So that's what I did. And this was a very interesting... Because Japanese are very particular in observing details. Moral details, personality, ego, you know, brutality. And after that match, the press recognized my kindness.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  And the spirit of the true samurai, which was not exactly overpower, you know? You just do what you have to do in a loyal and nice battle.

• 5:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, that was the thing that I found so interesting. In your whole journey, and even when you ask your brothers and cousins, like, "What are the things that made you so special?" You hear that idea of spirituality a lot. Like, "He really understood his body." "He understood the transcendent nature of the fight." And seeing that, the honor of that, and that for you, fighting seemed to be connected to something else. How do you conceptualize fighting? Because there were times where, I mean, you've said many times, "I am prepared to die, literally die in this fight."

• 5:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 5:40Tom Bilyeu?

  So how does the same guy that's prepared to die to protect his honor say, "I don't have to be violent to win this fight"?

• 5:47Speaker 02

  Yes, because for me, I was never prepared myself to be a fighter.

• 5:55Speaker 02

  I was not seeking for elements to win an opponent. I was representing jiu-jitsu. You know? I was not seeking for learning box or learning elements to just be prepared with all the, in all the corners to defeat my opponent in an event to make money or so. I was there to fight for free, to represent the art, to just acknowledge the fact what I've been practicing is a legacy from my family, which brings a technique which enhances the weaker one in a fight to give possibilities. So I was focused on representing the family, representing the style.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  With this being said...

• 6:39Speaker 02

  You you pick just a fight, but if you get any achievement, if you wanna buy a car, if you wanna buy, get a girlfriend, if you wanna uh buy a house, if you wanna get a new job, whatever endeavor you focus on is somehow a challenge, somehow a battle, somehow uh you have to use martial arts, you have to use the the ability to, because martial arts gives you tools. The tools are connection, base, deflection, strategy, emotional control, the capacity for you to to over to visualization and other elements, so

• 7:26Speaker 02

  if you wanna buy a car, you have to use strategy, the same way you use to to to to win a fight, you have to see how much you have to put in a car, everything else after that. So basically, in order for you to achieve happiness, you have to be

• 7:44Speaker 02

  strategically correct, you have to be capable to control emotions, you have to be focused, you have to be perseverance. Nothing coming easier for free. So and happiness is always changing, what make you happy today, ten years from now, it's not gonna be the same thing, you're gonna be, have different goals, different expectations. So in order for you to really feel happy, you have to be present, you have to have a goal. My goal always being representing my family, and that's make me happy to go in a challenge situation, to represent my family, to be able to

• 8:25Speaker 02

  to bring everything I got in a positive mission in my in my.

• 8:31Tom Bilyeu?

  You said that being born in Gracie put a lot of expectations on you.

• 8:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 8:35Tom Bilyeu?

  You fought in no holds barred tournaments, which is important for people to understand. You fought where people would show up at your training facility to challenge you and and show up to hurt you.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 8:45Tom Bilyeu?

  And how, with all that expectation, with so much physically riding on the line in so many of these fights, how did you control your mind? Like, how do you get control of the fear?

• 8:55Speaker 02

  Yes, I think I think what's crucial for me was the the deep understanding. All my practices, all my talent, all my physicality is not gonna be enough.

• 9:09Speaker 02

  All my thinking, all my emotional control, all my strategy is not gonna be enough.

• 9:17Speaker 02

  All my surrender, all my capacity to accept death is not gonna be enough if they come in long, separate. I think we have to, in order for us to grow as a spiritual warriors, no matter if it's physical or just theoretical, your growth to facilitate your life, to conquer things, to be happy, you have to have a good unified body in terms of body, mind, spirit. You have to understand your physicality, you have to understand your mind, you have to understand your spirituality. Because those three things combined make you feel powerful.

• 10:01Speaker 02

  How I could engage in a fight, a serious fight like that with no time limits, no weight division, no, no rules basically, no mount piece, no, no cups, no... So you basically go for a unpredictable situation. How I could go just by betraying with a guy sixty, seventy pounds heavier than me? So just being prepared, just being talent is not enough. Just be able to focus and be strategically correct is not enough. I have to have the spirituality to say, today is a great day to be in a battle. If I have to depart today from another, from a different, uh, different dimension,

• 10:45Speaker 02

  I will be grateful to get here that far. So I was accepting death in order to be comfortable in hell. Because how a fireman can leave home disregarding the possibility he can be the last day? Because he can be and try to save a kid in a building and die. How a police officer can leave home without knowing the possibilities he may have to get shot?

• 11:12Speaker 02

  If you don't realistically believe on those possibilities, you should not be a police officer, you should not be a fireman, you should not be a fighter like myself in that kind of perspective of unpredictability. Being an athlete, being a sport like a judo or MMA, which has rules, has time limits, has weight divisions, those are pretty much predictable. It's a sport, it's a very interesting, a very brutal, a very contact, a very aggressive sport, but it's still a sport. Martial arts transcends that. Because martial arts, I have to feed my students

• 11:54Speaker 02

  with unpredictable situations for them to start to realize they have a chance when everything is go dark, when everything goes like, "If I have a knife against you, so I don't know what to do, so pay attention, calm, just put your hand here." So I start to build up confidence, I start to build up situations where the guy will feel, "I suppose be dead here, but I have a chance." So building that windows of opportunity, windows of chances, I've been creating myself as a confident in possibilities. So I'm not go there to lose or to compete. I go there to preach or to do what I know and be sure I gonna win. So in my mind, was no defeat, was no, was just victory, and that's it.

• 12:39Speaker 02

  Because I believe what I do is perfect.

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• 15:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was my first professional fight. I was 19 years old. The guy was 30-something.

• 15:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh!

• 15:33Speaker 02

  He has 120 fights.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  And four draws, so 120 victories and four draws. You know, he was never being defeated. Wow. And my father pulled me to Iowa's crazy about representing and he kind of received a call from the manager of this other guy. And he set up a fight. He said, "No, I'm sorry. I don't have nobody to fight." And then I said, "Dad, please pull me in, pull me in, pull me in." I said, "I have a kid here, 19 years old." And the manager said, "No, master. This guy is professional. He's a very tough guy." And as the guy tried to take my father out of the deal, my father got excited because he felt like, "Oh, I'm gonna have to put this kid to prove himself." But he's good. He can handle. So he set up a fight with me, with this guy.

• 16:22Speaker 02

  His name is Zulu. And I was there to fight the guy.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  And he have a trademark move which comes like he starts and then he block himself to don't get punched. He get close to you, put one hand between your legs and lift you and throw you back on the floor like it's like a move he always does. As he approached that, I was quick, moved myself back and hit him with my knee with the best hit I could ever possibly think. And in my mind, I said, "I win the fight for sure. It was a knockout." And after that, he just shook his hand, spit a tooth and ready to form more. I said, "Wow." So that's take me out of my comfortable zone in terms of nothing is what I expect. Right.

• 17:11Speaker 02

  And the fight goes on for the, because it was 10 minutes rounds, unlimited number of rounds. So when the first round stops, ends, I was dead tired, full of his blood, and I was crawling to my corner and I said, "Dad, it's no way. I cannot go back there." And my dad not even listened to me. He says, "Oh, you're doing great. Now he's worse than you. Now you're gonna kick his ass and this and that." I said, "Dad, I'm serious. I'm just dead here. I cannot go." And I start to argue with my dad and my brother Horst throw me a bucket of ice and water in my head.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  And then the round bangs like bells and I went to the fight. And like my dad said, I beat the guy in three minutes because he's already tired. I could get a good position and choke him out.

• 18:06Speaker 02

  And I noticed my worst enemy at this point was my own mind playing tricks on me. Tell me I don't have enough, tell me I was tired, tell me I'm gonna lost. So my mind was completely against my purpose. And I felt like I could not let this happen ever.

• 18:26Speaker 02

  So after that fight, I make a

• 18:31Speaker 02

  a statement in my spiritual and my mind. I said, "I'm not gonna quit anymore. I have, I prefer to die than think I have to quit." So since then, I already creating an element of I'm going with a hundred percent. And if, if I felt trying, so be it. But there's no quitting, there's no expectations, there's no, "Oh, that's got harder" and stuff. So based on that, I bring myself mentally to a next level. Was a, was an obstacle, which to jump that obstacle, I have to see life differently after that.

• 19:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Were there things that you could do to cement that? So that you knew that you would actually rise to that in a moment?

• 19:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, visualization. Because in the warrior arsenal, we have different tools. We have physical tools like talent, mobility, strength, coordination, techniques, leverage, angles, timing. But if you're talking about mind, we have different tools, visualization, emotional control. In the spiritual side, we have hope, we have faith, we have patience. Those elements, they give you a chance of, of letting the situation cook in a, in a slow burn and see how it goes.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  Because if you're impatient, if you don't have the hope, if you don't, if you're not believing in yourself, sometimes you get caught in the middle of the, of your chores without, you know, what, what. But if you faith, you're gonna find the light, you're gonna find the hole, you're gonna, you have the hope, you think it's gonna do well. So you become smoother even in the bumpy rides. So I start to feel like my growth was depending off this growth, not only physical, not only mental. But also spiritual.

• 20:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I find this warrior spirit cultivating the mind, getting yourself to a place where you've rehearsed like, if I'm in this situation, this is what I'm prepared to do. I'm gonna go all the way. I'm utterly intoxicated by it. Like, I find this.

• 20:43Tom Bilyeu?

  When I think about what does it mean to be a man, that's part of it for me. Like, just that you, it doesn't have to be fighting, but it does need to be that warrior spirit, that there's something that you're so committed to, that you'll go all the way. In the book, you talk about a moment where this really got put to the test. All of this stuff together, Hickson, it almost seems impossible to believe that it's one person. But the time that, I think it was a Japanese fighter, shows up at your school and fishhooks you.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 21:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Walk us through that story, because in the book, you detail it so well. And I was like, oh my god.

• 21:18Speaker 02

  Yes. The situation was, after I become successful in Japan and the MMA scenario,

• 21:27Speaker 02

  professional wrestlers in Japan is big, is huge. But professional wrestlers, they have fighting backgrounds, they're coming from judo, wrestling, catch, catch, can, striking, box. So they're tough fighters, but they fix fights. And I was invited to fight under their arena. And I said in the magazine, I could not ever fight their champions and stuff, even though the rules are good, because they supposed to be fake, fix fights, and doesn't give me legitimacy. So when you're losing there, has no, plays no role on my realistic view.

• 22:07Speaker 02

  And I said that, and I said, I'm welcome to bring those fighters to the real arena, which has rules, which are for real. And I hear nothing.

• 22:19Speaker 02

  And then a couple of months later, the number one guy was challenged before, changed the scenario for the number two guy, which was mean, bad guy, like the villain of the whole scenario, you know, one of the big villains of the wrestling world. And he say, "I wanna go to Los Angeles, I wanna kick your ass, I wanna beat you." And my friends, Japanese friends come, "Oh, Anjo said he coming to fight you and gonna say..." And I could not say nothing about it because I'm not sure if he's coming. Right. I'm not sure when he's coming. So I keep living my life naturally, has nothing happened because I could not be prepared for, I don't know when or what. Eventually, one day I was sleeping in my house

• 23:05Speaker 02

  because I don't teach the morning classes, the very early morning classes. So about 10 o'clock, my instructor called me

• 23:13Speaker 02

  and said, "Hixon, we have a couple here wants to talk to you, some Japanese guys."

• 23:21Speaker 02

  And immediately, I imagined the fighter was there to fight me. Said, "Okay, I'll be right there." And I was with my, like, pajamas and stuff. And I get into a car. My son was going with me, so I give the camera for him, for him start to become familiar with the camera. And I start to tape my hands before I get on the freeway, you know, to get there ready to fight.

• 23:48Speaker 02

  And I get there, my academy was in the alley. So soon I get into the alley, I saw a van full of Japanese reporters with cameras and stuff. You see a crew, a filming crew in there. And then I get, I pull in. I get there, it was a couple, a very tall guy. "Mr. Gracie, how are you?" I said, "Oh, how are you doing, sir?" "Very, very well dressed." "I'm president of the UFO, the federation there." And I wonder because I wanna invite you to fight in Japan. I said, "Man, I told you this before, I don't wanna fight in Japan for you guys." "Yeah, but you also mentioned you could fight for free if the guy coming to you." Said, "Yes." "And I come here because I expect you to be the fighter."

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Said, "Yeah, but the fighter is outside." And then I realized the fight was outside with the crew.

• 24:41Speaker 02

  Can I pick him up? Can I call him? I said, yes. So as the guy approached going out to pick up the fighter. This is like out of a movie. I said to one of my students, which is also a bouncer and a... Said, "Man, stay on the door, please. Let the guy, the president, come in. Let the fighter come in, but keep the press all out. Don't let the guys come in." And that's been said. The guy come in, the fighter come in.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  And then the guy was all kind of looking ugly, like look at everybody like this. And I said...

• 25:15Speaker 02

  Limon, Limon is my instructor. Said, "Limon, get a waiver for Mr... Sign the waiver. Because if somebody gets hurt, it's just a waiver to be signed here in the US." And then Limon gave it to him, the... The waiver. The guy look at the waiver like this. And then the president called me and said, "Mr. Gracie, that means if you don't sign the waiver, you're not gonna fight." Immediately, I felt like a double trick that. Because if I say, "No, he has to sign", he could leave and tell, "I'm scared, I'm afraid", or "I was quitting", whatever. Said, "No, no, no, forget the waiver. Throw the waiver out. He coming to fight. Come over, let's fight, man." And then the fight begins.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  And I felt he was... His approach was, he wanna hit me hard on the face, you know? His base, the way he's positioning himself comes more towards the striking mode than actually grappling. And based on that, I kind of play myself a little dummy for him to approach. When he go for the punch, I deflected, grabbed him under the waist, leave, throw him on the floor, mounted, and I start to beat him up. But in my mind, different than a regular competition.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  Was not about defeating the guy and make him tap. Because if I make a clean victory and make him tap, he can stand up and say nothing happened. So I have to show physically the damage. So my intention is not just put him to sleep or squeeze his arm, was just punch him in the face. And after some punches and break his nose and make him very bloody, he turns back and I choke him out and put him to sleep. And as he's sleeping face down on the ground, I stood up and tell the press could come in. So the press start to come in and take pictures of everything.

• 27:11Speaker 02

  And the president of the, his friend tried to cover his face to don't show he's all bloody and stuff. And then the guy said to him, "Gay, no, get out, let's clean his, so shows his face on there." So and then, two days after, this guy coming to my place with a samurai helmet and offer to me as a gift, sharing was a lack of respect for him. And he's apologizing and he was, you know, feel like I was honorable and gracious on defeating. So he was giving me a gift and left.

• 27:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Did you live ready to fight at all times at that period in New York?

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. Was no time for preparing. Was just be in shape all the time, be ready to fight anytime because that's the only thing I could do.

• 28:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, that's what I think makes your family and your style of fighting, certainly in the era where you were the number one, so interesting is that it's born out of being ready for a street fight. It's born out of really being able to defend yourself in a life or death situation, not just in the sport.

• 28:26Tom Bilyeu?

  How were you raised? Your dad seems to be a very unique character. What values did he instill in you guys?

• 28:37Speaker 02

  My father was a very special guy because he was very weak when he born.

• 28:45Speaker 02

  He learned jiu-jitsu long before his practicing jiu-jitsu because he was forbidden by doctors to practice his sport. He could not run a bike or run, play soccer because he has verticles, he pass out. He was very tense and very weak physically. And he was learned from my uncle, his older brother.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  And, but he could not practice. So when my uncle opened his school on the 1925 in Rio de Janeiro, my father was sitting on the corner for about three years just watching my uncle teach different moves. So he memorized everything, he knows everything just by photograph. And he not exactly fighting because he was forbidden. So in one day, 16 years old,

• 29:33Speaker 02

  a student come by and my uncle was not arrive yet. So he said for the students, "Mister, if you wanna practice a little bit, I can play dummy for you, I can just be sparring for a little while until my brother arrives." He said, "Oh, I love to do that, kid, let's go." So my dad engage with the guy, start to practicing stuff. Half hour later, my uncle arrives. And the student said to my uncle, "Carlos, if you don't mind, I love to keep training with your younger brother because he's so talented, he's so good, I love him." And that's my dad engage himself in the practice. But different than normal persons. The choke, for example, was done choking somebody using the arms.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  He could not do one pull-up, he could not do one push-up, so he's weak. So instead using power from the arms.

• 30:28Speaker 02

  He developed power from the chest, which comes much more leverage and minimizing the real muscle effort and gives more strength on the leverage of the action. So he started adapting himself for the jiu-jitsu he learned. And we compare Elio Gracie to jiu-jitsu as Einstein to physics. He was inventor. He creates things to modify things to adapt for himself. And that's why jiu-jitsu gets, once arrives in Brazil, this kind of special element of more techniques or more softness or more capabilities to adjust. Especially fighting from the bottom, which my father could not ever fight from the top. So he developed ways

• 31:13Speaker 02

  from the guard position, which he has opponent between the legs, to be able to not only be comfortable against punches and to also submit with triangle chokes, arm bars and strikes. So he becomes very clever on that aspect of fighting.

• 31:29Speaker 02

  So with this being said, my dad grew as a general, as a new modern view for jiu-jitsu and make not only his kids, but his nephews

• 31:46Speaker 02

  parts of a clan. My uncle Carlos always been a very dedicated to create a clan. And my father, Elio, was the guy who was the general for the army. You know, he was more physical. He was more giving talents. And my uncle has more the spiritual guidance, giving more nutrition values for the family, giving more sense of strategy for the accomplishment. So he was the guy behind, with his mind open for everything. And my father was the guy who is really bringing the fight, bringing the techniques to the cousins and the family. So when I born,

• 32:30Speaker 02

  my father was already on his 50s. So I could not have the experience of him fighting. I could not remember those elements. I remember him more older.

• 32:43Speaker 02

  Giving my brothers thanks for improving my jiu-jitsu, or guidance students, or talking about the federation, talking about the politics behind. So I get from him, the impression was, he's the guy who leads all of us to a better future, to a better representation, to grow the family. Did he push you guys to be tough or anything? Like, what were his, you know? He's very strong on morals. You know, he's very strong on, "I don't want you guys fight each other, so whoever is wrong, too many men's in the house. So whatever is wrong, it's better apologize, because if you not apologize when you're wrong, and you guys fight for that,

• 33:27Speaker 02

  when I discover who is making the mistake, this guy will pay triple. So it's better you guys arrange, so I was feeling confident to argue. My brother got the apple I was about to get. So give me the apple, I was, I saw, "No, no, so I'm gonna talk with my dad because you're wrong." The guy said, "Okay, kid, take this apple." Because he keeps like a moral values, he keeps honesty, he keeps, you know, if you talk the true, no matter what, you're not gonna get punished. If you lie, you get three times more punishment than you're supposed to have. So, you did, you, "Who breaks this?" "I break that." "So don't do this again." That's pretty much it. Was not big punishments because I tell the truth.

• 34:12Speaker 02

  If I lie, was be worse, you know, will be different punishment. So, we very early understand how important is to be honest, the valuable, the integrity, the capacity for you, because a lot of what I learned from fighting was in the dinner table, seeing my dad talking about resilience, about, you know, elements he passed on his fight. So I was getting...

• 34:39Speaker 02

  That kind of information and applying on my own life.

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• 35:50Speaker 02

  100%. His possibilities, he has to develop possibilities outside of the physical. Fight is physical. Fight is brutal. Fight is violent. How a guy who's not physical can be fighter? He has to use strategy, techniques, leverage, angles. You know, and that's bring a completely different dimension.

• 36:12Tom Bilyeu?

  So interesting that he took to that so well, that he could just watch it and then be able to do it instantly and then be able to innovate. It's really pretty impressive.

• 36:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 36:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, is he unique like that or have there been other people that have added?

• 36:28Speaker 02

  No, he was just genuine. He's just a special character who... He not only devote himself fully to jiu-jitsu passionately. He's very passionate about, but he has the coordination and the talents. Sometimes he spent eight months without going to the sidewalk.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  He's spending on the gym, eating, sleeping on the gym, waking up, training, sleep. Without going to the beach, without going to the bar or nothing. He's just spending, eating on the school. So it's unbelievable how much passion and dedication.

• 37:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, it's interesting like that. So there's a quote, I forget who said it, Aristotle or somebody, that the only impossible job is raising kids. And one thing I know you've talked a lot about is when you're coaching or being a parent, that you have to first assess what that person is like, what they need, and then give that to them. Where did that insight come from?

• 37:24Speaker 02

  Yes. One time I was start reading to helping my brother to teach as a dummy for him. So he pulled me, lay down Higson, John Mount. So I was playing the dummy for the student practice day, whatever they had. So I was there and he gave me a little tip in the end of the class for me to buy ice cream, whatever. So I start to making little money from my brother. And I got my dad and said, Dad, what I should do to be the best teacher? He said, if you wanna be a good teacher, you learn the choke, you learn the arm lock with precision, with details, and then pass through the student and ask him to get tight here or there.

• 38:06Speaker 02

  So give him the details of the technique. If you wanna be an excellent teacher, you have to capture what the student needs to learn. So with that advice, he gave me the sense, so I cannot be just a jujitsu teacher. I had to be a psychologist too. Because I have to approach a guy who is tense, insecure, in a different way than approach a guy who is just lazy and completely off. So the whole tone of the class, the whole inspiration, the whole talk, thought process, has to be different from one to another. I cannot teach a girl as I teach a boy. I cannot, their inspirations are different.

• 38:46Speaker 02

  So based on that sense, I start to realize jujitsu has a lot to do with the mindset, with the approach. Because we all need to learn something from martial arts. But sometimes you're not aggressive, you're not mean, you're not a competitor. That doesn't mean you don't need to learn martial arts. Martial arts is not exactly just to win.

• 39:11Tom Bilyeu?

  So mindset is something you and I were talking about before we started rolling as being a common denominator among people that are successful. What elements, other than emotional control, which you've already talked about, resilience we've talked about, but what elements of do people need to be successful of mindset?

• 39:29Speaker 02

  My developments, my mental, spiritual and physical developments,

• 39:38Speaker 02

  they could reach a plateau if I was not involved with breathing the way I am.

• 39:46Speaker 02

  It's very interesting, but

• 39:49Speaker 02

  the only organs are capable to give and receive informations are the brain and the heart.

• 40:01Speaker 02

  Other than that, the body just works, but doesn't have influence. If you get a bad email, you immediately gonna get upset, you gonna get claustrophobic, you can get emotional, you can get, you know, depressed. Because your brain tell you, you're not happy. Sometimes you feel something, but doesn't hit your brain, hit your heart. And immediately, you feel emotional, you feel sad, you feel whatever, because you felt in your heart.

• 40:39Speaker 02

  The lungs are the only organ who are capable to have a connection, a direct connection with your brain and with your heart. When I start to training breathing,

• 40:53Speaker 02

  I start to felt a completely different dimension of that and my sensibility and my capacity to feel myself deeply. Because normally, in average, people born, people get slap on the butt, start to cry, and then they feel like they know how to breathe, they can survive, and then they learn soccer, they learn fighting, they learn baseball, they learn sports, surf, and they live based on the same breath doing things. But the real learning of a breathing system is to learn how to maximizing our ventilation, hyperventilation, to cope with the activities you plan to do.

• 41:40Speaker 02

  The perfect breathing system give you hyperventilation, give you capacity for you to relax and sleep in mode, give you capacity to be sprinting for longer, not only for one breath take. So whatever you need from your body, even from your spiritual guidance, you have to drive by a perfect breathing system. The breathing allowed you to find yourself deep into your system.

• 42:13Tom Bilyeu?

  What's the thing in your career that you're most proud of?

• 42:17Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 42:20Speaker 02

  It's hard to say because it was just a continuous mode of successful elements. I'm undefeated. I have 400, over 450 fights.

• 42:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Jesus!

• 42:32Speaker 02

  I never, I never win anyone by points. I always submit or knockout. So my career is very successful even for my retirement. Maybe the most thing I'm proud of was after my biggest loss in my life, which is losing my son with 18 years old.

• 42:56Speaker 02

  I was confused for a while, about three or four years in a dark, not feeling appetite for training, for surfing. Nothing really appeals to me. I was putting a lot of time on my garden, on my hillside, just meditating and thinking, kind of a little depressed.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  And, but I allowed myself to get deep in the dark. You know, I allowed myself to hug a stone and go to the lake and stay deep on the thinking about suicide or thinking about drugs, thinking about, you know, what's the purpose of life? Being very much weak in the purpose, you know, crying and not feeling like, no, that's okay, I'm strong. Because if you try to hide emotions from yourself and try to show everybody you're okay, you're just making a patch which is not working. So I have to feel like weak and completely vulnerable. And then I get there. And in order for me to get out of this hole...

• 44:03Speaker 02

  One day I was meditating in a little

• 44:07Speaker 02

  platform I did on top of the trees for my son. And I was there and I thought about my dad and my dad always saying, "And everything bad happens to you is always a good side of it. And everything good happens to you is always a bad side of it. So, nothing can be only bad or only good." And I start thinking about what could be good based on my son's departure.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  And I realize time for me was always something I was in charge about it. I could fight at will, I could teach at will, I could raise my kids. I could, "My dad, I wanna talk to you, okay, not today, I'm gonna surf, tomorrow we talk." I was able to be in charge of my time and my will freely. And I realized with Hoxo's departure, we may not have tomorrow, tomorrow may never happen. And I start to understand how important for me was appreciation of today. Our conversation today is the most important thing for me now. Nothing can be better than this. For my attention, for my focus, for my passion,

• 45:18Speaker 02

  for the audience, for you. I wanna be present here, I wanna be fully. So, when this is over, I will think about what's next. So, being present make a big difference. And thinking about my son, thinking about that, I give you a glimpse of how I changed. If I going for a fight in Japan now and I'm in the freeway, or a seminar or something, a show or something. And my daughter called me, "Dad, I need to talk to you." I said, "What's happened sweetheart?" Yeah, because she start to cry, I will stop my car in the freeway.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  Talk to her. Try to resolve the problem, get into the depth of the situation, be calm. Whatever I have to say, how long it takes, I will be there for her. And after I turn her off, I will see if I still able to get the flight. If my trip has to be cancelled, if whatever is gonna happen after, I will deal with. But I'm not gonna say, "Sriha, I go to Japan, I call you from there, bye." I never will do this anymore. So, my appreciation for time becomes different. And I'm grateful for Hoxton's departure, because now he gives me a completely different perspective of how I should live my life. And how I appreciate my time.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  And how much I kinda tight the knot for not getting loose gaps and be just...

• 46:48Speaker 02

  Not concerned about things that matter. Today, my day is based on what I can do best to make my best day today. I have to walk the dog, I have to do things which I... I feel complete if I do what I have to do. If I leave my dog without her. I will feel like, "Wow, man, I let him down." So I wanna do my best day.

• 47:12Speaker 02

  No matter if he's walking the dog, no matter if he's... Helping somebody to go to Costco, to make... Buy stuff, no matter if I have to fix my roof. Whatever I have to do, I'm focused and grateful and help and happy about it.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  In my way, so... The appreciation for those elements coming from my understanding. And maybe was maybe the biggest change, the biggest... Progressive, positive move I did in my life, since I know myself. Was exactly that kinda positive change. And then, after I understood that. I think about Hoxton, I'm happy. I'm thinking about my possibilities, I'm happy and aspire. With the moves I do through jiu-jitsu, through my federation, through my... So, my life changed because what was my biggest loss... Becomes my biggest sign of how I should do to have a happy life.

• 48:14Tom Bilyeu?

  It was really heartbreaking reading in the book about that. I didn't realize that you had lost your son. When you think about that, like, the spirit of, you know, a kid growing up in your family and how hard they have to fight.

• 48:31Tom Bilyeu?

  How do you, like, rein them in? You have a really interesting philosophy about how much you can guide and then at some point you have to let them be them. How do you do that when you know, like, that it, you know, tomorrow isn't guaranteed? Like, that seems so difficult.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  Yes, my father has ten kids. So...

• 48:54Speaker 02

  Not all are champions, not all are fighters. We all involved in jiu-jitsu, but in the sense of education, we bring... They bring jiu-jitsu to my attention. They bring the sport jiu-jitsu to my attention. They bring the philosophy of martial arts to my attention. And I could be a doctor. I could be a police officer. I could be other things. But it was underneath pressure, which you, Grace, you're supposed to be a fighter. So I know what my direction was. But I have to recruit my courage, my desire, my sacrifice, which a lot of members of the family doesn't feel like, whoa, man, too much training. Today I hurt myself, I'm not gonna go back there next day.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  So it's a different element to combine. The experience I have was the information I get with the dedication and the compromise I put myself in. So it's a dual thing. Nobody could make me what I am if I was not focused and passionate about it. So my dad make his... Put his part on it, but also I put my part on it, my commitment.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  One example is, I was 12 years old. I was very, uh, orange belt, practice in a group class with adults. They, they have fun with me, they not hurt me or anything. So I was there playing, and then one time I fly to a, a, a strong man, not tough guy, but just tough, just strong, and he get me in a headlock. And headlocks technically are not exactly to make you tap. It's a position who is very uncomfortable, but you can resist. I was tired, I was a kid, the guy was very strong, and I tap. And I get so upset, because was claustrophobic, it was not about the pain or the, the submission, it was about the agony. And I get panicking, and I tap.

• 50:55Speaker 02

  And I was upset, I cry a little bit, the guy said, "What's, you okay kid?" "No, I'm okay, thank you." And I went home, with that in my mind. And I get home in, in Rio de Janeiro, like, summertime, one hundred twenty degrees, humid, it's like, unbelievable. I lay down myself in a carpet, almost like that, I lay down myself on the corner of the, the carpet, like this. And I tell my brother Halls to roll me up like a burrito.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  And just take me off here in ten minutes. Leave me ten minutes here for me to, to get claustrophobic in this feeling. So I was rolling the carpet, all dark, smelling bad. Get claustrophobic at first, and then eventually I start thinking about the beach, the seagulls, the wind, the breeze on my face. Start to get calm, and I start to, take the panicking out of my system. And then he unfold me from there. In the same year, I did three more times, the same experience. Until I felt like was just another day in the park, just do this, like.

• 52:05Speaker 02

  And I look.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  So that shows my commitment with my own fears, with my own. I was upset because I get panic and I was trying to fix my panic on the carpet in home. Was not a doctor, was not a pill, was not a conversation, was just brutally. Stay in the hole until you get killed, you know, it's like. So that's kind of commitment I have in a very early age to be the best I can be.

• 52:35Speaker 02

  And for me, breathing was always a, not a problem, but it was something which. When you get panic, you panic, man. Everything, all the strategy, all the thinking, all the, goes to the, to, to, to the drain. So I was focused on not get panic and then I learned how to breathe. And this was the missing link in my life.

• 52:56Tom Bilyeu?

  The breath.

• 52:57Speaker 02

  The breath.

• 52:57Tom Bilyeu?

  I, I saw you also do like cold water exposure. It seemed like you did a lot of things to make yourself extraordinarily uncomfortable.

• 53:05Speaker 02

  Yes, and a functional strength. I never learned functional strength. I invent functional strength in my mind. Playing with elastics, which I never heard about. I bought elastics from diving, the ones you put on the.

• 53:18Tom Bilyeu?

  You just had an intuitive sense that it would work?

• 53:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, it had to be a, a resist, a consistent resistance. I have to move but with resist. So I, I put in elastics, I put in. Light weights and start to do like crazy. And also the cold water. Cold water is a very important treatment for me because.

• 53:40Speaker 02

  If you're thinking about something who gonna scare you the most.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  Is get burn alive.

• 53:48Speaker 02

  Second is get cold water because. Give you chills from immediately like, I don't like that. It's like putting a cat in the water. I hate that. Every touch, every comfort is, is the uncomfortable is suburb. You're just not gonna get killed or gonna get hurt. But mentally, you could not be in a more stressed situation than be in the ice.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  So I felt that will be a good learning ground for me. So I was using the ice baths.

• 54:18Tom Bilyeu?

  How did you get introduced to that? Like you're doing stuff back in the, I mean, are we talking the eighties?

• 54:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 54:25Tom Bilyeu?

  You're doing this stuff back in the eighties. I didn't hear about this stuff until like 2015. I mean, this is crazy.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  Because I was seeking for things who are giving me chills and emotions. And I love to play with nature because nature is unbreakable. Nature is stronger. So surf for me plays always a double role. First, the sport of surfing, the delightful element of playing the ocean. Second is the energy of the ocean, is how the ocean moves. And you cannot fight the ocean. You have to go into the channel. If you get caught, if you lost your board, you cannot just swimming back through the channel. You have to get pounded on your head and go from the waves. So you have to have a, is a, is a, is a ways to do it, to deal.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  One time I lost my board and I had very heavy surf. In the, in the very late afternoon, I was by myself in the ocean and I lost. And I, I said, I thinking about the back, the last set I wouldn't get. So I get one more wave, I dipped. So I was about to get the set. I get one pounding the head and I broke my leash. And I was already out there, getting dark, by myself with the channel pushing me towards the ocean. And I was by myself, so I had to be calm enough to, to just go through the ocean. And then eventually go sideways through the, along the beach for about an hour and 10 minutes.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  And then go back to the ocean, to back to the sand. And I arrive on the sand about nine o'clock at night. Thanks God for being alive and lost my board. But that's given me a sense of calmness under pressure. So I was not intend to do that. But as I put myself in that situation, I could use this as a positive experience.

• 56:25Tom Bilyeu?

  So Hickson, you're now moving into a different phase of your life. Do you feel as alive now as you did when you were a champion? Or do you think about it differently?

• 56:37Speaker 02

  No, I don't feel better. But thankful I'm not feel worst. Because what I could do with very graciously and very motivated and inspired for me was changing the focus from, if you imagine yourself in a pyramid, I always focus on the top of the pyramid, efficiency and competition and proving Jiu-Jitsu is the best.

• 57:05Speaker 02

  But for the last 25 years or so, Jiu-Jitsu has been growing based on, and becomes more competition aspect. Tournaments and submission tournaments, grappling tournaments. And they become,

• 57:22Speaker 02

  I feel like they losing the martial arts spirit, becomes a game without that spirit. And now for me, my goal is not only not to force or to show details for better fighters, but to give a more accessible base for people who are not fighters and they need something to really grow. Because if you put yourself in perspective of

• 57:50Speaker 02

  of how much you can grow from Jiu-Jitsu practice,

• 57:55Speaker 02

  I tell you, you can double your perception of yourself in terms of.

• 58:01Speaker 02

  Of understanding your gauge of tiredness, of sharpness in your mind, possibilities of strategy, calmness, emotional control, everything you have, you don't put a test because you're not playing jiu-jitsu. When you start to play, you start to understand the physicality, the techniques, the movements, and that's give you a perception which I call invisible power. You start to develop a better sense of balance. You start to develop a better sense of deflection and not get punched, or how to respond to... So based on that learning process, you start to become more confident. You start to humanize yourself.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  Another big problem I see today is the fact technology, robotics, internet, dehumanize you. We become half humans and half this universe we live here. So you can be anywhere, you can talk with anyone, you can see any... So everything is there, but it's not the ability to shake hand, to look somebody in the eye, to just for a job, to talk with a girl, to be present, human. You know, we are humans, we have to eat, we have to to connect relationships. So dehumanizing doesn't make you strong in relationships,

• 59:29Speaker 02

  doesn't make you strong in your presence. Jiu-jitsu, just the hug, just the breathing together, just give you that sense of presence, the sense of of connection which is very important and you not feel how much is important for you, but because you're not... Sometimes you feel like you spend your time without feeling a hug, feeling the sweat, feeling something which is very... So jiu-jitsu can also help you in that matter of of supporting your life, not as a fight. Because today, this is winning fighting. This is win without a fight. I can give you tools for you to become more peaceful,

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  more connected with yourself, more sensitive to others, better in relationships, better in your sense of believing in yourself for endeavor. And you're not gonna, you don't have to spar with nobody. The concepts I change in my teaching progress now is before, in the first month, you're gonna learn some techniques and you, in the first month, and the end of the first month, you're already sparring. And that sparring session can be very positive for some warriors, but can be jeopardizing a lot of guys who are not designed to fight.

• 1:00:50Tom Bilyeu?

  In what way does it jeopardize them emotionally?

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, because if you come in to learn techniques and you amazed by, oh, I like the tech, and you come in and I pull you to spar with a seventeen-year-old brutal, aggressive, with nothing in the head, and he come in to grab you, so hurts and discomfortable and agony. And you're gonna say, fool, I don't, I don't, I don't want that in my life. The guy is stupid, he's... So if you get too soon involved with the, the, the actual competition aspect, jeopardizing your, your learning process in martial arts, which I believe, the first year, right now, I'm sure, the first year of practice has to be

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  learning, practicing with a, a, a training partner, not with an opponent. The opponent, you're just gonna face, not in the first month, not in the second month, but you're just gonna face when you say, yeah, I feel like I wanna learn a little more how to get a belt. And so now you're gonna start to, Tom, go here, John, come here. So you try to see who falls on top, and then you start the competition. But you have first to get a deep understanding of the, the purpose and the ideas. And you may never like to, to compete. And you're gonna say, you know what, Hixson, I wanna keep the, the, the fundamentals program, which I feel in shape, I feel the knowledge, I feel the possibilities.

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  I add to my, myself, but I don't wanna compete, you know, I just don't like it. Because the average attendance for a jiu-jitsu school those days is for every ten students who come into your, to the class, new students, eight will leave in less than six months.

• 1:02:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  So that drop off means...

• 1:02:39Speaker 02

  It's too hard too soon. You know, if I keep under my attention, I can keep a student passionate about for the first two years easy. And he's getting shape, he gets to learn how to do the things, but he don't have to spar.

• 1:02:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Hickson, your wisdom is incredible. What you've learned from fighting and just life in general is really breathtaking. The book was amazing.

• 1:03:07Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:03:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Your life story is truly unbelievable. It is inspiring in ways that I can't articulate. Where can people connect with you? Where can they buy the book?

• 1:03:19Speaker 02

  My new site now is hickson.academy. The book is all over. It's like a big release in the four corners of the world, Japan, Europe, US, Brazil. So it's not gonna be hard to find.

• 1:03:36Tom Bilyeu?

  And what's the title for people?

• 1:03:37Speaker 02

  Breathe.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  Because breathe, I think, was the is the initial process of enlightenment and performance and understanding and spirituality. If you cannot control your heart, if you cannot control your brain, you're in bad shape. So breathing is a big inspiration for me and was the turning point of my evolutionary process.

• 1:04:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, the book is really amazing.

• 1:04:03Speaker 02

  Thank you, my brother.

• 1:04:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Thank you so much for coming on.

• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  My pleasure.

• 1:04:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Guys, trust me, you're gonna want to read the book. If you don't already know who he is, you are gonna be absolutely blown away. The book is part memoir, it's all mindset. It's exactly what he did to become arguably the greatest fighter of all time. When you get into like real fighting circles, this is the name that comes up over and over and over again. The documentary Choke, one watch of that and you will understand exactly why. It's, it is a career that's truly unparalleled. And I think you guys will get a lot out of reading the book and spending time with him online. It's really, really extraordinary. And speaking of things that are extraordinary, if you haven't already, be sure to subscribe. And until next time, my friends, be legendary. Take care.

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