How the H3 Empire Fell Apart in 24 Hours, Robert Reich’s Plan for SpaceX Would Be a Disaster, Trump Loves Nicki Minaj's Butt| Weekly Recap

In today’s episode, Tom takes on Robert Reich’s argument that Elon Musk’s companies, built heavily on government contracts, should face government takeover, an idea Tom calls self-defeating. He warns that as voices like Kara Swisher and Jennifer Welch escalate their attacks on Musk, legally pursuing political donors will invite the other side to retaliate against theirs, turning American politics into a never-ending feud. Tom argues that the fix is changing campaign finance policy, not prosecuting the people using the current system. He makes the case that SpaceX and Starlink delivered what decades of government programs couldn’t, and that the government pays Musk because no one else builds it as well. The team closes on the record flood of individual donations this election cycle, and on the hypocrisy of both parties complaining about money in politics only when it’s the other side’s money. The team reacts to the collapse of the H3 Podcast after Ethan Klein announced an indefinite hiatus and, hours later, his wife and co-host Hila Klein said he had been having an affair for more than six months. Hila says she raised concerns that were dismissed, then caught him in a lie, and the couple of 14 years has now separated. The show’s crew publicly cut ties with Ethan, and resurfaced clips of him condemning cheaters have sent the story everywhere. The team also looks back at Klein’s history in court, from the 2017 fair-use case he won as a defendant to his recent lawsuits against Twitch streamers, one of which a judge threw out by citing that same precedent. Tom reflects on nearly 25 years of marriage and why he and Lisa made never cheating their one unbreakable rule. The team reacts to President Trump’s Michigan campaign rally, where he called out Nicki Minaj from the stage with remarks that quickly went viral. Tom argues the moment shows Trump’s biggest weakness heading into the midterms: he plays to the crowd in front of him instead of staying on message for the candidates he’s there to help. With control of the Senate at stake and polls slipping, Tom says Trump is acting like he’s not on the ballot, and he lays out what a disciplined campaign strategist would tell him to say instead. The conversation widens into Tom’s argument that Trump didn’t take over the Republican Party so much as replace it, and that figures like Marco Rubio represent a different party entirely. The team closes on whether Republicans are headed for a historic midterm loss a week before in-person voting begins. What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: Want my help starting a business? Join me here inside Zero To Founder https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show Sign up for my AI Masterclass: AI Masterclass https://tombilyeu.com/ai-masterclass?utm_campaign=Live%20Masterclass&utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=evergreen Follow Me: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Tailor Brands: Check out Tailor Brands to launch your business starting at $0 + state fees: https://bit.ly/TailorBrandsSept Quince: Free shipping and 365-day returns at https://quince.com/impactpod Pipedrive: Get more leads and grow your business. Go to https://www.pipedrive.com/impact and get started with a 30-day free trial. Incogni: Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code IMPACT at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/impact See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:00Tom Bilyeu?

  H3H3 is a massive podcast. If you guys aren't in the social commentary space, you may not have heard of him. But it's an absolutely massive podcast. Some people are clocking his empire somewhere in the neighborhood of a hundred million dollars. He's become very famous because he's very litigious. He sued a lot of people, basically put people in positions to take advantage of him in a way that they absolutely shouldn't. I mean, just blatant people trying to take money out of this guy's mouth. But then he gets very theatrical and sues them. And so that's turned a lot of people off. So, his name is Ethan Klein and this whole infidelity fiasco is really out of hand. Now, when you're looking at what's confirmed on October 22nd,

• 1:42Tom Bilyeu?

  he posted that the H3 podcast was going on indefinite hiatus. Just hours later, his wife, Hila Klein, posted a statement on Instagram and she's basically just completely distraught. Says her husband of 14 years had been having an affair for more than six months. She says that she had raised concerns and he was being very dismissive and was like, "What are you talking about? This is crazy." Then she caught him in a lie. Then he finally starts admitting, "Okay, well, yes, but it was like just a kiss." And then, "Okay, it wasn't just a kiss. It was like emotional cheating, but that's it." And then finally, that becomes an admission of like this full six-month affair. They're now separated. She's moved out.

• 2:24Tom Bilyeu?

  She has their three sons, ages seven, four, and two. Now, the response has been wild because this guy is on camera talking about infidelity, like a whole bunch, saying, "It's so grotesque. I can't believe that people do this." Do we have those clips?

• 2:39Speaker 03

  I have a couple.

• 2:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Because when you know what ends up being true, like the fact that this guy has popped off about this so much is part of what's making this absolutely blow up. I mean, pockets of the internet, like this is basically all they're talking about. This is the lead story over on Philip DeFranco. I mean, this is absolutely massive because for so much time, he was saying people that cheat on their wives are grotesque. Anyway, if we have the clips, we'll play them, but.

• 3:06Speaker 04

  There's also context of the whole reason we're able to do this show here and react to things is because of a precedent he set back in the day.

• 3:12Tom Bilyeu?

  That's right.

• 3:14Speaker 04

  But back in the day, he was the react guy. He'd call people out. He would be like, "Hey, this is a thing you shouldn't be doing." It basically got him into a court case where he rightfully fought for fair use for YouTube. And then he went on this crazy podcast streak after October 7th, where he started becoming more of a Zionist. His wife was in the IDF. It's a whole story. And he started then using that lawsuit that he did back in the day by putting one of his videos, I forget specifically how it worked, but he basically made it copyrighted to a point to where if you reacted to it, he could sue you for reacting to the video. And then he started targeting creators without all this money because the context of the a hundred million dollars is his wife's clothing brand. So, not their podcast. His wife's clothing brand is what made them the money, which is why this is such a big thing. Because technically, which both of them suck. They're both Zionists.

• 3:59Speaker 04

  They're awful people. But they both, it's Hila who basically shot H3 into what it is because of Teddy Fresh, which is the clothing brand.

• 4:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, very interesting. Now, some of the details in there might be a little contested. So, for instance, when he, the lawsuit that he put these smaller creators into, was they said on camera, "I'm going to react to this video, so don't go watch it on his channel. Watch it on mine." That was a big part of what he got them for. And then they weren't reacting. They were just letting it play. So, instead of doing fair use, where somebody's actually responding to it, making it a novel piece of content by adding their own thing on top, they were like, at one point, one of them spent like, let's say it was a 30-minute broadcast. She spent 18 of the minutes like smoking and that was it. And so, that's where he ended up getting them.

• 4:50Tom Bilyeu?

  But he was so like over the top that people started backlashing on it a bit. So, and I don't know what ended up happening if those cases got dismissed or if they.

• 4:58Speaker 04

  They got dismissed. One went through and he forced someone to make like a hostage-style apology video to Asmongold for whatever reason. But the rest of them got dropped because they were all like, basically the judge was like, "You're doing the same thing a person did to you a decade ago." Which I don't know how long ago his original case was.

• 5:17Speaker 03

  All right, let's get to these clips because he was talking spicy about cheaters.

• 5:20Speaker 05

  Again, I just hate men who have kids. They fucking put their wife through childbirth.

• 5:29Speaker 05

  They deliver you two beautiful children.

• 5:33Speaker 05

  And then you go and cheat on them, bro. Fuck that.

• 5:37Speaker 04

  That's a good take.

• 5:38Speaker 05

  It's fucked up.

• 5:39Speaker 06

  Yeah. And she probably believed in this like image of theirs, of the perfect couple.

• 5:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Alas, though, that's your man. He did it. Now, there was, the woman that he cheated on was with, sorry, the woman that he cheated on his wife with was also on the show, Drew. That image keeps popping up. I'm not sure what's happening right now.

• 6:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, thank you. Alleged.

• 6:04Speaker 04

  I mean, it's like all sorts of point to it, but.

• 6:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, the allegations are such that the woman that he allegedly had the affair with was also an employee. Now, the reason that people are running with and saying that this is probably true is that he, all the people that work for them unfollowed one of the other employees. And so, they seem to be taking Hila's side and unfollowing this other woman. And there's like all this sort of weirdness about things that those two have said on camera. And so, you start piecing it all together and it looks pretty rough. But it's, yeah, it's, it is terrible to watch people throw their marriages away.

• 6:52Tom Bilyeu?

  It is really crazy. As somebody who's been married now, it'll be 25 years this coming summer, it is wild to me that people can't just like, like Lisa and I have both said, "Listen, it's very possible that one day we break up, but the one thing that we will never do is cheat on each other." And the fact that people go and pop off and then still do it, that shit is so wild. But nonetheless, it is a thing that is in keeping with the human mind. You see this stuff all the time. Guys are so, like if you're going to take a guy down, it's going to be with sex. It's crazy.

• 7:30Speaker 04

  Did y'all see the thing one, thing two thing from all this?

• 7:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, thing one and thing two.

• 7:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:35Tom Bilyeu?

  For Halloween. So, wife and alleged mistress, the way people frame it is he had them dress up as thing one and thing two. And then someone on camera says that when Dr. Seuss was writing that story, because I think it's a Dr. Seuss story, that it was him writing about his wife and his side piece. And so, the guy makes that comment on camera. And if the allegations end up being true, it's literally his wife and his side piece. Wild. We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead, so don't go anywhere.

• 8:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.

• 8:15Speaker 03

  Cool. All right, we got to jump over to Robert Reich.

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• 10:22Speaker 03

  And the reason I'm bringing this up is because there's been a lot of talk lately, him, Karen Swisher, Jennifer Welsh, they all have been talking about going after Elon Musk. And it seems kind of like a coordinated effort now to bring Musk into the middle of politics from the Democratic perspective versus Trump or policy or something like that, so.

• 10:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, in fairness, Elon did a cannonball into the center of American politics. So, in many ways, he's done this to himself. But it started back when there was a California senator, was it Barbara Boxer? I don't remember. But somebody said to Musk, "He can fuck off" or whatever, when he was still had Tesla headquartered here in California. And he just wrote back, "Message received." And then proceeded over the next couple of years to migrate to Texas. So, politicians have been aimed at him for a while. Now, though, to your point, the rhetoric is really dialing up and these guys are getting like, Kara Swisher basically endorsing locking him up.

• 11:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, and now this, what you guys are about to hear is full-blown unhinged, but we'll let him say it for himself.

• 11:29Speaker 07

  We've got to defund Musk. And when I say defund Musk, you know, 75% of his wealth is dependent on taxpayers, who are buying Starlink systems for the National, for the Department of Defense. Defund Musk. I mean this, if we, if we have a democratic administration and, and the Democrats ought to be starting this, not just with oversight hearings, but also starting, laying the groundwork for nationalizing Starlink and, and SpaceX. Nationalize it. It should be a public corporation. We should not ever have that kind of power in one person's hands, one private person's hands. I mean, Musk is buying, trying to buy the senator from Texas.

• 12:14Tom Bilyeu?

  That's less crazy.

• 12:15Speaker 07

  Why would we, why should we allow this?

• 12:17Tom Bilyeu?

  We shouldn't.

• 12:18Speaker 07

  Seriously. Well, we shouldn't. And then this week, people started talking about, oh, Musk is gonna be held accountable. And he said, live by the sword, die by the sword. Well, that was in X, on, on one of his.

• 12:31Tom Bilyeu?

  You can pause it. I don't know why I was jumping in to clarify. Yes, it was on X, but, uh, so he's trying to make clear the very real truth that everybody needs to wake up to, which is that if you live by the sword, you will die by the sword. So if you're gonna go after him and other political opponents, guess what they're gonna do? They're gonna go after you. It is so fucking stupid that people cannot see this coming a mile off. We need to get money out of politics, but you're not gonna get money out of politics by legally pursuing the politicians that put money into politics. You're just asking them to go after the Soros family and all of the things that they're doing and all of the other donors, like, what the fuck are you guys doing? People on the left and the right are courting money non-stop. What we need to do is put policies in place and make it impossible for money to go into

• 13:14Tom Bilyeu?

  politics, not to persecute the people that are using the system that we have created. This is asinine and will turn all of America into the Hatfields versus the McCoys. People need to snap the fuck out of it. This is so stupid. These guys are so ignorant. I don't understand how these guys cannot see that which I do will come back to haunt me. Bro, like, people just are, this is NPC territory. I do not understand what these guys are thinking. How, how do you not understand that this will come back around to bite you in the ass? This is so wild to me. So, yes, get money out of politics, do it at a systemic level. We have to change the policy to make sure that we can't have money pouring into politics.

• 13:57Tom Bilyeu?

  We need people on both sides to point out the moral catastrophe that this has become, absolutely. But if you wanna just make it worse, now start pursuing your opponent legally or with lawsuits. Jesus Christ, this is so dumb and self-defeating.

• 14:13Speaker 03

  Um, let's jump in on the nationalization thing, cuz I think we get that critique a lot from Elon Musk, is that a lot of his companies are based on taxpayer funding, government subsidies, federal contracts, things like that.

• 14:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 14:26Speaker 03

  Um, taking Tesla off the side, cuz that's the only true consumer product. If what Robert is saying is right, 75% of Starlink revenue is tied to federal or government contracts, is nationalizing that, that crazy?

• 14:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 14:41Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 14:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Like crazy.

• 14:43Speaker 03

  Explain the mechanism for us.

• 14:44Tom Bilyeu?

  In burning, uh, gigantic letters writ large across the sky. Like, I, I don't know what people are thinking. So, you had satellite launches, nationalized, you had NASA doing all this shit, you had your entire rocket industry nationalized for god knows how many years. How'd that go for you? You moved backwards. You started innovating literally in reverse. We were making things slower and more expensive, and you had the free market do what the free market does, which is it finds a brilliant person somewhere that wants to selfishly build something, and hey, maybe they wanna do some good, but I don't even need you to believe in that. They just wanna get rich, you can think of it that way, fine. And then they do what the government was unable to do for decade after decade after decade.

• 15:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, when, when he talks about this government funding, I wanna reach to the screen and, like, slap him around. Dude, the government is saying, there is a thing that we want. I need someone to make this thing. And so we, the government, are going to pay someone to make this thing. Starlink and SpaceX are doing something no one else has been able to do, not just in the US, around the fucking world. And so now, the parasitic government, the US government is a fucking parasite. People need to understand that. It started small, yay, and was amazing, cuz we should not be looking for no government, but you now have a parasite that just grows bigger and bigger and bigger and just takes and takes and takes. And we're now saying, hey, the government that wants a thing and is paying somebody

• 16:14Tom Bilyeu?

  to do it, and oh, by the way, one guy on the fucking planet, it's not like there's a dude in China doing this, one guy on the fucking planet has been able to aggregate the talent and build this thing up and create this stuff. We're now going to nationalize that? When we were unable to do it for decade after decade after decade after decade, with all of the money fleeced from the American people, we still couldn't fucking do it. The free market delivered it, now we wanna take it over because we don't like money in politics? Get money out of politics by not being a dumb fuckhead, which is exactly what these guys are doing. Get it out at the policy level. You don't start shooting the people that put money into politics, that's fucking retarded. So, all of this is just absolutely asinine.

• 16:57Tom Bilyeu?

  These are people that do not build, all they do is fucking commentate, and because they do not understand the absolute unparalleled historic, uh, contributions that Elon's companies have made to technology, they, they're just like, making it as if this is some trivial thing that won't fall to shit after they nationalize it. It is, it is ignorant to the human condition, it is ignorant to the way that governments become parasites inevitably, and i- it's so frustrating to see these guys make out like, he's just doing this easy thing and he's fleecing the government for all this money, instead of realizing, the government's gonna buy it from somebody. Why do they buy it from him? Because he makes the best shit.

• 17:40Tom Bilyeu?

  I think he represents 90 to 95% of all tonnage put into space. Dude, think about how many other countries there are. He still puts out 90 to 95% of all the tonnage. What the fuck? So, I, yeah, this, this is so stupid. It is so self-defeating that when I see stuff like this, I see us racing to being like Europe, to being the same pro-regulation, pro-government, and pro-death country that all those dumbasses are. They have moved themselves backwards so far. England used to rule the world.

• 18:25Tom Bilyeu?

  The Dutch used to rule the world. Spain used to be everywhere. These guys have lost the ability to build, to innovate, the entire industrial revolution, to which you essentially owe all of modern life, so that your wife doesn't die in childbirth, uh, so that you're not working back-breaking labor in a fucking mine somewhere. All of it was started by England. And now, they're like, some, like, low-level, G20, sure, but like, these guys are just on the decline. France on the decline. Canada, Jesus, falling off a cliff. It, it is so crazy. And remember, Canada wants to be a, like, honorary member of Europe, so if you wanna

• 19:09Tom Bilyeu?

  know why I bring them up when I talk about Europe, that's why. Um, it's so crazy, man. It is so crazy. You're shooting yourself in the face.

• 19:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, and just for the reminder, this is our second election across a billion dollars in individual contributions.

• 19:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Get money out of politics.

• 19:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's hard to, somebody just said that in the chat, it's so hard to get money out of politics when there's so much money coming in.

• 19:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, and they want it, that's the problem. When it's the other side, then you scream about it. When it's your own side, you just try to take as much as you can, as quietly as you can. Taking a short break, but there's more Impact Theory after. Stay tuned. Thanks for staying tuned. Now, let's get back to it.

• 19:52Speaker 03

  Trump went over to Michigan for a campaign rally, really trying to fight that Said surge that's happening in Michigan right now for Said. But this is what he said about, um, one of his representatives, I don't even know what Nikki does in the administration anymore, but this was just funny.

• 20:05Tom Bilyeu?

  I think you have to start.

• 20:06Speaker 07

  By the way, I looked at one hell of a beautiful ass before, Nicki Minaj.

• 20:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Jesus Christ. Nikki, get up, let us see that ass.

• 20:15Speaker 07

  That's hard to beat.

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• 22:01Speaker 07

  That's stand up.

• 22:03Tom Bilyeu?

  That's so wild.

• 22:06Speaker 03

  Let me see your ass, Nicky. Stand up real quick. Look at that America. Look at that.

• 22:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Just one spin, Nicky, one spin.

• 22:11Speaker 03

  Look at America. That's

• 22:12Tom Bilyeu?

  That's America's ass right there. This is crazy. So when I first heard about this, uh, I actually stopped the video after like four seconds because I was like, we, we've already heard the story about him talking about the guy's ass. And then I was like, oh my God, this is him talking about another ass. I was like, what the fuck is happening?

• 22:31Speaker 03

  He's on an ass tour on during these rallies.

• 22:33Tom Bilyeu?

  This is wild. And so there's actually, if you extend the clip, this is one of the rare times where extending the clip makes it worse because he starts out and he's like, um, you know, uh, I don't often look at asses, at least not a men, uh, but sometimes the women. I was like, Jesus Christ, man. Like get it together. So I don't know if he's just doing so many of these. He's punch drunk.

• 22:57Speaker 03

  Sorry.

• 22:58Speaker 07

  And I didn't like it, but I'm, I'm looking at him up and down and I'm studying him. And then I made the mistake I told in fun. I said, I looked at his ass and I've never done that with a man before. It's true.

• 23:16Speaker 07

  Off the record, women, yes, men, no. Okay.

• 23:20Speaker 03

  Off the record.

• 23:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Bro.

• 23:21Speaker 03

  You grabbed him by the pussy on the record.

• 23:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, right. It's like, gee, easy with the fucking buttons over there.

• 23:27Speaker 07

  Before Nicki Minaj.

• 23:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, this is, this is unhinged. It is amusing if it weren't the president of the United States. And I thought, okay, uh, we don't have a lot of like footage from the early days of presidents going out and doing stump speeches. This is going to live forever,

• 23:48Speaker 03

  Link was out there like, my people, look at that ass over there. My fault. I'm focused. I was free to slay.

• 23:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, like now, back then it would have been, look at those ankles. But yeah, this is, uh, this is going to live forever. There's gonna be like, uh, a thing in the Smithsonian that just loops like 30 minutes of the most insane shit that this guy has said. That's wild. I'm not even sure that that is gonna make the highlight reel. That's the crazy part.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  Somebody said, has he ever complimented Melania's ass like this?

• 24:17Tom Bilyeu?

  I know. I was thinking like, Jesus Christ. Melania is somewhere like, just what, rolling her eyes? I mean, she knows this about him. There's no universe in which she doesn't.

• 24:26Speaker 03

  For the life of an escort allegedly.

• 24:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  She won. Like Melania can't be mad anymore. She's a movie star. She had the number one documentary on Amazon that one week. She is living in the White House.

• 24:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Ryan Snort is everything on that one.

• 24:41Speaker 03

  She's famous. Come on, you can't, come on. Pretty woman didn't get a better deal than that. Come on.

• 24:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Drew's firing shots.

• 24:49Speaker 03

  No, okay. But I remember I had this conversation with Marsha Adar last year. He, Trump was talking crazy on the, on the like rally trail, on the, um, trail. And people are saying, but this is why we like Trump. He's so relatable. He's so one of us. He says some, he's not presidential. He's not all stiff like those other guys. He says funny things. He makes me laugh. He has comedic timing.

• 25:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Right.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  So to me, this isn't like a new relegation. This is not a surprise. This is what, this is the Trump that the people who like Trump like, right? Like this is a fastball down the middle to me, it seems like.

• 25:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes. This is definitely him chumming the waters for his base, for sure. So yes, Trump has comedic timing. He knows what his audience likes. And you can see from the people behind him at the rally, people thought it was hilarious. They're laughing. And if you're going to a Trump rally, to your point, uh, you are the center of the bullseye. Uh, yes, there's no doubt about that. But ooh, buddy, like what was sort of cute at first, it just like, this is not going to help the people that he's campaigning for. It's not going to help them get elected. And so this is one of those times where I am routinely shocked by people that don't rise to the moment. And they don't go, I get what gear

• 25:59Tom Bilyeu?

  I have to be in at this time, because hiding in there somewhere is a gear that he can go into where he can be serious and presidential and like get the thing done. But then the entertainer in him just keeps coming out and he can't stop it. And so he's got a mental map that it's like, no, no, no, this is the very thing that got me here. And he can't understand that, yeah, but at some point the tide turned and you've got to start doing something different. And so, yeah, that's where I'm just like, whatever. The, these personalities, okay, so you guys all know, I believe that we're all automata. It is one of the beliefs that I hold that makes people very uncomfortable. But when I watch stuff like this, I'm like, for real, for real. Like we're automata. And the way

• 26:40Tom Bilyeu?

  that he is coded inside the matrix, he like can't get outside of his coding. And when you watch people rise to that level, it's such a like crystallized, extreme personality. And they, they really can't stop themselves. And so it's like, even though this is clearly not the time for that. So you, this is the time where he needs to like, okay, this is all sinister. What I'm about to say is merely effective. It is not morally what I wish he would do. But if you're a wolf's howling in the background, uh, guy giving him advice, what you pull him aside and you say is, listen, this has got to be about the issues. We've got to be on message. Um, you've got some real senate seats that are being contested

• 27:25Tom Bilyeu?

  that we absolutely cannot let them win. We need to talk about what are we putting in the attack ads? We've got to be just on that like a missile. You've got to be in these states talking about the things that we see the polling on and we see that it's effective. And I promise there's no polling that's like, we love hearing Trump talk about Nicki Minaj's ass. That, no, hard pass. And so he's just not on message. None of this is like coming across as somebody who really understands, I've got to do something for the good of the party to make sure that they live on beyond me. Now, the reason that he can't do that is, is that isn't him. And so you begin to realize that this is, and people have been talking about this for a while. This is not a novel insight, but, um, that

• 28:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Trump didn't take over the, uh, the Republican Party. He made a new party that sort of for a while now has just replaced it. And so if you compare Trump to Rubio, to me, that's the difference between the party of Trump and the Republican Party. And they're two very different things. They feel different. They talk about different things. They prioritize different things. And so it's interesting that Rubio's been able to live inside of that. But if you were to see that swap out, you'd see a return to what I'll say is the Republican Party that I recognize growing up. But what we're seeing is Trump not thinking about what's good for the party, what's going to make sure that we get candidates in office so that when I leave, that it continues to move forward, that we have an economic, uh,

• 28:49Tom Bilyeu?

  philosophy that's coherent, that moves forward, that we have a, um, a philosophy of immigration, what's going to be better for the American people, that that live forward. That's not what you see. What you see is a guy that's like, just entertaining, thinking about how, not, it's not even like that. He's, he's operating on like pure id. It's all instinct. It's all timing and just playing to the crowd instead of having like a strategy that he should actually be pushing forward. Because even if he were just thinking legacy, like what do you want your legacy to be? That you're funny? Or do you want your legacy to be that you're actually able to drive an agenda? Uh, so yeah, from that perspective, this

• 29:28Tom Bilyeu?

  is just like, even just from be a high functioning political operative that is trying to secure your legacy, this isn't the play.

• 29:38Speaker 03

  Is there something to him knowing his audience though? Cause I'm gonna play this clip about a Michigan voter talking about El Said. And I don't want to put too much at the feet of Trump when the voting populace is more caught up on things like this. And I'll play this, I'll play this, uh, video and we get to it.

• 29:57Speaker 06

  Abdul's barely out there. Um, he doesn't even say his real name. Like, why can't you share your real name? What, what, what is his real name? His real name is Dr. Abdul El Said. You didn't see where he said it's Mohammed? It's Abdul Mohammed El Said? Yeah, but my name is Richard. Paul Gaseford, but I always But he's running for the Senate. No, but he wouldn't. He should write his full name on there. Well, what is Mike Rogers' middle name? But that's not, that's Mohammed's not his middle name.

• 30:24Speaker 03

  So it's like, do I have to give you like a lecture about policy when I could just be like, he's Mohammed and then?

• 30:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so here's the bad news. I know exactly what you mean. And the bad news is this is the kind of thing that I would have been like, okay, morally, I hate it, but at least it's good advice. Like, go beat the Muslim drum, Trump. You're, you're gonna be able to get a certain amount of Americans terrified, worried about the other. And so that's a great attack ad, great attack message. Go beat that drum. He lied about being a doctor. He's not one of us. He's Muslim. He's got a scary name. Like, go beat that drum. That at least would be Trump on message. But we are not talking about Trump, talking anything about immigration or anything about socialist economic policies. What we're talking about is him commenting on Nicki Minaj's ass

• 31:15Tom Bilyeu?

  precisely because he knows the base that's in the room and he's not at all thinking about like actual, the game of politics. And so he said over and over, I'm not on the ballot. The problem is he's acting like he's not on the ballot. He's acting like I'm showing up to a backyard barbecue and I just need to entertain you guys because I'm not on the ballot. So when you peg him as somebody who's like, um, I've already lost the midterms. There's no way around this. I need to start terraforming everybody's minds so that I can be like, I didn't lose, these shit-ass candidates lost. Look at me, people love me. They don't like these loser candidates. And that's where I'm like, oh God, like this is somebody who's just thinking about, what is it like to be me in the room right now?

• 32:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Not actually playing a long-term strategic game. Now, remember, I started this diatribe by saying, he's like in full NPC mode of just not being able to rise to the moment. He's got like a certain worldview. He is so trapped inside of it. He can't see that it's not delivering the outcome. His, his polls are going down, down, down. If his polls are going up, up, up, and he kept doing this, then I'd be like, yeah, I get it. His polls are going up, but his polls are like dropping out from under him. So, yeah, it's wild. And when you look at the historic of what happens when a president is that far down in the polls, how many of the seats flip? It's basically all of them. Like, the historical records in this moment are just, yeah,

• 32:44Tom Bilyeu?

  the opposition party ends up gobbling up the available seats.

• 32:48Speaker 03

  Excuse me, crazy.

• 32:50Tom Bilyeu?

  And just to, to address this, like, that kind of stuff is, for anybody, like, if Ryan is trying to put a case together of like, bro, this is racism, plain and simple, grab this clip. Because the, what's Mike Rogers' middle name? But the, the unsaid part is, but he's white, bro. What the problem is?

• 33:09Speaker 03

  His middle name doesn't matter.

• 33:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I don't care about his middle name. It's gonna be Timmy or something. Yeah, fucking terrible, terrible.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  Are you feeling, how are you feeling going into the midterms? With early voting happening, we're literally a week away between like in-person voting. Do you feel like it's still Republicans are probably gonna get swapped?

• 33:28Tom Bilyeu?

  It feels like, looking at the evidence, they're going to get bludgeoned about the head, neck and chest. They're gonna be bleeding from the skull, have all kinds of hemorrhage problems. And the reality is, as a body populace or a body politic, we must punish any administration that isn't doing what they said they were going to do. So I don't know how Trump doesn't get punished for the record. So now, I obviously am mortified because I know so much of the energy is radical in nature. So much of the energy is gonna go to the DSA. But you can't like in good conscience, go just give them more chances. So I will fully expect that they're going to, uh, lose a lot of seats.

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