France Prepares for War, AI Goes Rogue, and Hasan Piker’s Wildest Claims Yet | The Tom Bilyeu Show

What's up, guys? Today we're diving deep into the world of artificial intelligence, global instability, and the future of education with none other than Drew, my insightful commentator and my co-host, who cuts through the noise on everything from rogue AI to the realities of the American job market. Drew’s sharp analysis and fearless takes are exactly what we need right now as the stories around AI, politics, and global conflicts reach a boiling point. In this episode, we're breaking down why AI has everyone from Andrew Yang to Wall Street in a panic, what regulatory chess moves are really playing out behind the scenes, and how you can actually leverage technology to your advantage—no matter what the headlines say. We're also getting brutally honest about the real dangers facing America, from bureaucratic overgrowth to the education system that's failing our grads, and what you can do as an individual to not just survive, but thrive. If you want clarity on the madness, and real tools you can use to stay ahead while the world turns upside down, don't miss this one. I guarantee you'll leave with a new sense of what’s possible, what’s at stake, and how to keep your edge. I’m Tom Bilyeu, and welcome to Impact Theory. What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: Want my help starting a business? Join me here inside Zero To Founder https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show Sign up for my AI Masterclass: AI Masterclass https://tombilyeu.com/ai-masterclass?utm_campaign=Live%20Masterclass&utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=evergreen Follow Me: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Tailor Brands: Check out Tailor Brands to get started with your business today: https://bit.ly/TailorBrandsSept Quince: Free shipping and 365-day returns at https://quince.com/impactpod ElevenLabs: Book your demo at https://elevenlabs.io/impactpod Cash App: Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/v6nymgjl#CashAppPod *Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Cash App Visa® Debit Flex Cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC, and The Bancorp Bank, N. A., pursuant to a license from Visa U. S. A. Inc. See terms and conditions for the Sutton prepaid card, Sutton debit flex card, and Bancorp debit flex card. Cash App Green features, Savings, Direct deposit, Round ups, Overdraft coverage and Discounts provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast http://cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosure. Butcherbox: Go to https://ButcherBox.com/IMPACT https://butcherbox.com/IMPACT to get $20 off your first box, plus your choice of free ribeye, new york strip, or filet mignon in every box for a year — with free shipping always Perplexity: Start your free trial of Perplexity Computer today at http://PPLX.ai/impact http://pplx.ai/impact and experience the next phase of AI. #ad makeup Pipedrive: Get more leads and grow your business. Go to https://www.pipedrive.com/impact and get started with a 30-day free trial. Netsuite: For the first time ever you can try NetSuite Next for free. If your revenues are at least in the seven figures, go to https://NetSuite.ai/Theory https://netsuite.ai/Theory. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Hasan Piker just keeps making things worse for the Democrats by speaking. He told Axios that America, the country he hates with a passion, is worse than Al Qaeda. Okay. Global instability is becoming a bigger problem than most people realize. Both the UK and France are getting into war posture as relations destabilize and energy becomes more unreliable. I think anybody's surprised about that, but it is interesting to see that they are reacting pretty aggressively right now. The juror who single-handedly caused the Lindsey Clancy mistrial has broken his silence. And what he said happened in deliberations should worry everybody. A far larger amount of fraud just keeps getting uncovered in California.

• 2:11Tom Bilyeu?

  And it is becoming crystal clear that the problem is bigger than people were originally reporting. We're gonna look at something that is being prosecuted here in the great state of California. Education in America has been captured by bureaucrats and that disaster is now hammering graduates in the job market. A new report paints a very bleak picture. We'll get into the details. There are some winners and losers, though, and the winners are pretty interesting. So it'll be fun to talk about. And advancements in brain-computer interfaces are moving way faster than people realize as a machine can now read people's thoughts and turn it into speech. Can't wait to show you guys that clip. It is very exciting, a very hopeful thing that hopefully on this Friday we can all get behind.

• 2:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, speaking of things that we've really got to come together on what is actually happening. Andrew Yang went on CNBC with breaking news claiming that the head of a major AI lab told him that the rogue agents that escaped back in July planted self-replicating code all over the internet. Now, according to Yang, it's basically game over for the open web, which is now unusable for testing and training models. Let's watch the clip.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  And I met with the head of a lab yesterday who has this belief that what happened was the bots that got loose planted self-replicating code all over the internet, which makes the internet now unusable for the testing models.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  It's too late.

• 3:37Speaker 01

  So what happens now is that OpenAI and Anthropic have to create synthetic internets to train their bots, which is gonna take some time and money.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  Back that up. They did what?

• 3:46Speaker 01

  So what happened is the code gets loose. It goes around hacking Hugging Face, which is known, but what is less known is that they left code to self-replicate and create bot swarms on forums and around the internet. So that if a new bot shows up, they see the code, they're like, oh, like, I guess I'm gonna now create a million of myself. And so now the major firms have polluted the internet. Oh, that would be breaking news if, if true.

• 4:12Speaker 02

  It's too late to pull the plug.

• 4:14Speaker 01

  I don't think we've heard that. That's why I'm here. But I mean, I'm here to break some news.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  But that, but that, that means it's too late to pull the plug. It's already everywhere.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Well, so now what they wanna do, the internet now may be polluted for training purposes. So what they wanna do is they wanna slow down.

• 4:29Speaker 02

  What about living?

• 4:30Speaker 01

  For our living purposes, yes. So, so this is why we have to try and get our arms around it and regulate, but the...

• 4:37Tom Bilyeu?

  There we go. There's the magic word, everybody. Let's get our arms around it and regulate. Now, I actually think Andrew Yang is a pretty good faith person. I have no doubt that a lot of the people that are talking about this really believe this is exactly what needs to happen. Some of that worries me more than anything, that people are having a strong emotional response to what's happening and they stop being as critical as I would like them to be. I personally don't buy that OpenAI and Anthropic now have to build synthetic internets from scratch. You can preemptively train the agent to ignore that kind of text. I'm not saying it's going to be easy, but if you follow the mechanism of how this works, and it is a real mechanism, by the way, we've talked about this before. There is a reality to be faced.

• 5:20Tom Bilyeu?

  We did reporting on this, that there was a study that was done that showed something like 250 documents can essentially turn the AI into a Manchurian candidate, where you can plant like this thing in its sort of collective brain, where when it comes across that sequence of words that it clicks over into a new mode of parsing data. The reality is if you know how that already works, then you can create an immune system against it. And this is the part in the big AI debate that people are being far more alarmist than I think that the data that's come out actually shows we need to be. And this is precisely why these guys are saying, okay, listen, that model that did that, that was several models ago, we've gotten a handle on how to stop it from doing

• 6:05Tom Bilyeu?

  that kind of thing in the future. And then as you actually start looking closer at the Hugging Face incident, you realize that they actually left a backdoor channel open for it to reach the internet. And the company that did that is like, oops, yeah, our bad, but nobody's really covering that side of it. So it's like, the human element of this is, to me, where the problem exists. So right now, we're training the AIs on the broad spectrum of the internet. And if you guys saw the reporting where the models have actually started relying less and less on Reddit data, which is fascinating unto itself, and that the quality of responses has gone up as we've started identifying where is the data on the internet that's

• 6:46Tom Bilyeu?

  actually causing the models to, to be generous, to get confused. And as we quarantine those areas of the internet off, then the results from the training data get better and better. People are acting as if it isn't, there, there is complexity that Connor Leahy has laid out, I think, very, very well, which is that AI is grown. It isn't just coded. You don't just tell it, this is who you are, this is how you're gonna behave. You point it at a bunch of data and then over time it begins learning things from the data that it's pointed at. But people are acting like you can't point it at training data that will tell it, hey, listen, the internet is full of all of this malicious code. You have to be very careful what you pay attention to. Let me tell you about some of the known kinds of traps.

• 7:30Tom Bilyeu?

  It will then inoculate itself from being bamboozled by that code. And you can train it out of that stuff, which is exactly why these guys are telling us, hey, listen, we've got a handle on some of the known stuff. We're just trying to report now. We want you guys all to know what's going on. Now, I certainly haven't made any qualms about saying where I think this is going. I think this is a regulatory capture play that is in no way, shape or form meant to diminish the need to put ever-increasing energy at the level of these companies into making sure that they are making them safer by the day. They need to be putting a ton of time and energy into alignment and what we have to do to make them safer. But anytime you hear somebody calling for regulation, think about what they're actually

• 8:12Tom Bilyeu?

  saying, that they want the government, who knows absolutely nothing about this technology, I mean, literally nothing about this technology, and they want them to make decisions about what can and can't be done. All right, fair enough. We pay the government employees the big bucks to find ways to regulate. Let's look at their historical results. Has regulation been something that has served us well? Or is it creating more problems than it's solving? And as you start to parse through the math there, you realize very quickly that as a government grows and the bureaucracy gets bigger and the, the codified regulations grow, GDP begins to shrink.

• 8:53Tom Bilyeu?

  So you start spending more and more money with an effort of trying to do something good. And so far, what the US has done is create massive monopolies around some of the most important technology. The number of companies that are actually contributing to our GDP gets smaller and smaller by the day, which is a very dangerous position to put ourselves in. Every bureaucracy ever created has the incentive system to grow and get bigger, not necessarily. In fact, it is anathema to solve the problem. To solve the problem is to kill the bureaucracy itself. So the bureaucracy is never going to give you that outcome. What is going to give you is justifications to get bigger.

• 9:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, if you're one of the big AI companies and you realize, oh, revenue is not coming in nearly fast enough for us to outrun the debt that we've had to accumulate to build this infrastructure, then what are our options?

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• 13:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.

• 13:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Option number one is to get regulated by the government. That creates a moat that stops incumbents from having to deal with the people that are trying to take them out. So normally a company is taken out by a startup. And if you can shoot all the startups in the face by putting a regulatory burden in front of them, then you've just wiped out a huge part of the problem. Now, I can't remember, forgive me Drew for springing this on you. I can't remember if I pulled this, but if you check if I have Alex Karp in the document, he's talking about this and he's saying, uh, he's saying this, let's play the clip.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  Actually happening is very different than what people are reporting. Everyone thinks this is a safety versus non-safety versus regulation. What, what, what he, I believe is realized is if you, if you take a philosophical frame they have, which is we are deserving of having all the IP in the world, we, the thousand people who think the way we do. That's why you can't work with the military. That's why you can take the IP from businesses and put it in your model. That, that model would require severe liability protection. And there's only one institution that can do that, the US government. And then that's before you get to the danger.

• 14:29Speaker 03

  So what was really happening is the investors loved when he was migrating all the value of everyone else's business to their business because they're investors. They don't realize, it's like, it's like every mark. They don't realize they're the mark. Because now you, first you migrate all the IP to your business. And then because you need uncapped, you need capped liability, both vis a vis the business and vis a vis the dangers, you've got to migrate the business to the government. It has to be nationalized.

• 14:57Tom Bilyeu?

  All right. So people are reporting this as if he said that we've got to nationalize the AI industry. That's not what he's saying. What he's saying is that they're going to want the AI industry to be nationalized so that they can avoid liability and so they can create that regulatory moat. Now, if you guys all enjoyed Big Pharma getting the regulatory protections and getting in a position where people could not sue them for the making of vaccines being the most hot-button issue, then maybe you love this. Maybe you love the idea that AI is going to find itself in that similar position where people can't sue them for like the whole drama over the math equation that supposedly was solved by humans and then AI learned off of it, but maybe it didn't, but maybe it did.

• 15:37Tom Bilyeu?

  That whole drama, that is going to play out in court, that kind of thing, whether that one or not. But that kind of thing is going to play out in court, given that these companies have ingested people using their software, not only going out and reading everything that's ever been publicly placed out in the world, but actually using the service is giving them more insights, more information that is finding its way into the training data, which is making these things smarter, which is giving them the ability, them, the companies, so Anthropic, OpenAI, the ability to then go make an equivalent of the products that are using their service because they've learned exactly how they work. And so what Alex Karp is getting at here is that those companies that have seen their IP suddenly,

• 16:22Tom Bilyeu?

  that they thought they were using in private with the AI are suddenly finding their way into the training data. They're going to sue them into oblivion. And so these guys are looking into the future where not only do they have to protect themselves from other startups, not only do they have to somehow address the reality that revenues are just not coming in fast enough to deal with the debt, but they also have to protect themselves against future liability. And so you put all of that together and these guys are going to keep beating the drum for regulation. Now, if you have people in your company that are also sincerely afraid of what's happening, then you get the perfect mix of you've got real, true believers about the fear that you can put out front.

• 17:04Tom Bilyeu?

  You can do the coordinated swarm that we saw with the Coxon tweet. You can do this coordinated PR push that feels a lot more like a product launch than really people just looking at the danger of something, the product in this case being fear itself. Fear as proof that these models are so powerful that they justify the completely unhinged valuations that they're getting right now. And so it, it becomes very complicated. And this is where first, please hear me say, if we are not careful, AI is going to create problems. I think people saying that there is danger there, a thousand percent. And we've got to hold these companies liable to, you cannot just race forward at a profit at all cost mentality. You've got to be thoughtful.

• 17:49Tom Bilyeu?

  There are already laws in place that protect people from companies launching products that are bad for customers. So if these guys are actually seeing something that none of the rest of us see, and so they're looking into the future, they see two, three, four models ahead, and they're seeing a level of danger, they need to slow down for that reason. They do not need the government to come in and tell them, hey, you need additional regulations. The reality is this stuff is already there. So the fact that they keep banging that drum is precisely for the reasons that I just laid out. So everybody needs a super healthy dose of skepticism around this, both on the like, AI is just going to solve every problem ever, and on the AI is the most dangerous saying it's already poisoned the internet, so on and so forth. I think all of that is bunk.

• 18:32Tom Bilyeu?

  I think the reality is what we have to be looking at is, cool, this is the most consequential technology that humans have ever invented. It is intelligence itself, but finally at scale. And so far, we don't see any signs that super intelligence is around the corner. But we need to be very thoughtful about getting better at aligning these models with every training run that we do. And then these companies need to know, there's no hiding from the need to protect your customers from the product that you're putting out. As somebody that was in the food business, I will just tell you right now, you knew, like you've got to go way out of your way to make sure that the things that you're putting in that food are safe.

• 19:15Tom Bilyeu?

  And there are all kinds of protections and things that you can do at your own facility without somebody having to beat you to death to make sure that you're doing that because you know I'm going to put this product out in the world. Someone is going to chew and swallow this. We used to talk about that endlessly at Quest. Like yo, somebody is going to ingest our product into their body. Like, we've really got to think about that. AI companies need to be doing exactly the same. And they don't need the government to come and tell them that they have to do it. It's common sense. And there's plenty of laws on the books already that make that self evident. So the moves that they're making now, as far as I can tell, are them trying to protect themselves from competitors, them trying to protect themselves from being sued

• 19:55Tom Bilyeu?

  into oblivion, and them needing to get people hyped up so that the IPO goes through because they need so much money. Guys, they need so much money to keep building this stuff out. They can't get it in from investors anymore. They sort of tap that well. And so now IPOing is a lifeline to stay alive, to stay at the frontier. But to do that, they're going to need the help of the government.

• 20:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. Famed investor Steve Iseman went on CNBC and talked about this. I guess the rest of Wall Street started to notice that this isn't the safety concern that they think it is.

• 20:29Speaker 05

  We didn't know what to expect with what we've created. Nothing to worry about. I think this is all nonsense. You think it's all nonsense? All nonsense. I think that there's something else completely going on here. I think the idea that AI, first of all, there's no evidence at all that AI has achieved artificial general intelligence. Right. At all. And most of the evidence seems to point that it never will. Or if it does, it's many, many years in the future. But the idea that this whole Terminator thing is nonsense. So I think something completely different is going on. And what I think is happening is that token maxing is over. The open weight models are taking big market share. I think

• 21:12Speaker 05

  these companies are very nervous. They realize that there are no moats around their business whatsoever. And they're trying to manufacture a crisis that will create regulation and that that that they think they can then manipulate to create the moats, to create the duopoly that they want. Wow. That's what I think is going on.

• 21:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I'm not, I'm not going to grant him that, first of all, this is all bunk. You, AI is profoundly powerful. Anybody that's used it knows how good it is, especially if you're using it to write code. It is unbelievably good at that. You're going to keep seeing ways that people, whether the AI itself is hacking, or people are using it to hack, you're going to see more and more of that, because it is extraordinarily good at these narrow things. And when you combine it with a human that knows what they're doing, ooh, buddy, it's powerful. This is like a drum I keep trying to beat, man. If, if there are any entrepreneurs that can hear my voice right now, I'm telling you, you've got to be using AI in your business. It is so extraordinarily effective at the things that it's effective at. But what I'm

• 22:12Tom Bilyeu?

  realizing is that the smarter the person using the AI, the smarter the AI, because its early answers are usually pretty dumb. And then you've got to push it oriented towards something. You're basically pointing it at the part of its training data that's actually useful. And so as an entrepreneur, I can wield AI more effectively to get entrepreneurially useful answers from AI, because I know what to tell it to ignore and what to pay attention to. But the same is true for a hacker. If you're a good hacker and you now have this tool, you can get it to do some pretty extraordinary things. So we do have to be thoughtful about what the risks are. We do need to put pressure on these companies to make sure that they are taking the rightful responsibility for the things that they are building. And then, if

• 22:56Tom Bilyeu?

  there's a segment of this that we want to treat as a weapons company and say, cool, we're going to draw the boundaries around what is weapons grade. You guys have heard me talk about that a bunch. And then that we're going to do in coordination with the government to make sure that they have access to something that can stop foreign agents from attacking us, which I think is a very real thing already today, and is only going to grow in importance. And so that is certainly a reality, and we want to treat that differently and not get caught up in the just, you know, overall panic. But at the same time, please understand, capital investors have massive incentives to want their AI bets to pay off. And so that is going

• 23:40Tom Bilyeu?

  to complicate this field very, very aggressively. And so as we talk through all of this, if you're in an alarmist state, I can already tell you that you're making emotional decisions, you're not necessarily making contact with ground reality about what is the truth of AI advancement. And then if you're just like, nothing bad could ever happen, just pedal to the metal, keep going, you're equally at risk of being detached from reality. So this is going to need to be a response that is far more nuanced than most of what we're seeing happen today.

• 24:10Speaker 04

  And there has been some interesting breakthroughs that's happening outside of this AI safety controversy IPO nonsense. Brett Attic, the CEO of Figure, just released a new video of a robot doing mandatory work. Housework, cleaning, making a bed, folding towels, laundry. They rented 30 houses in the Bay Area, and they just had the robots go loose, and the robot was 30 for 30. So I feel like we talk about AI, the coding, the LLMs a lot, but we kind of ignored the robotics. And there's making some, they're making major strides on that side, too.

• 24:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, what's so wild, if I took you from five years ago and just dropped you into today, your brain would leak out of your ears. Like, you would see self-driving cars all over the roads in major cities. You would see this video and be like, there's no way that's CG. It's not possible that you've got a robot wandering around the house, picking things up, making beds, washing dishes, all that stuff, in environments that it's never seen before. They didn't make any change to the training data. They literally just, hey, we've trained this guy on how to be nimble, how to think through a whole bunch of different scenarios, and is now embodied and moving around the house, doing that stuff. It would be so wild. But it happens just slowly enough that we start to like get numb to just how effective

• 25:24Tom Bilyeu?

  this is. Like, when I think about what we're able to do now inside of Kaizen, it is so crazy. So, yes, people are, I think, right now, in sort of a panic mode about this. They're looking at this stuff, and they're seeing, okay, my job is now under threat. And they're not seeing the data that's saying, well, actually, more jobs are being created. It's called Jevon's paradox. And when you see that, when something gets cheaper and cheaper and cheaper, it doesn't end up displacing all of the humans. It does disrupt a certain type of job, but as long as you can adapt, what you find is people start using this more and more, and it creates new opportunities, and the opportunity set gets bigger, productivity

• 26:07Tom Bilyeu?

  gets bigger, the GDP grows. I mean, this, we, we have an unending history of exactly that happening. But AI is a big enough change, happening rapidly enough, that is triggering people over into an emotional state. We're already there because of populism. And so it's just like, it is, one of the most interesting things about this time is going to be the question of, how much does that emotional energy catch fire and cause us to make mistakes? And this is where I'll remind everybody that all lies on China. So China's taking a very practical approach to AI. They think that everybody is overblowing the dangers and the risks, which lets you know that these guys are going to keep developing it. They just don't see

• 26:50Tom Bilyeu?

  it the same way that America sees it. They don't have a doomer mentality culture there. They're looking at the way that we're responding to this, like, what are you guys talking about? And so they are just heads down, deploying it, let's use it for what it's good at. Let's make sure that we continue to grow the economy. Where is it that we're trying to go? How is AI going to help us get there? And if we're taking a panic approach, we will ultimately end up abdicating what I think is our moral responsibility to make sure that we are a strong nation that can defend itself. So yeah, we're going to have to be very, very mindful

• 27:29Tom Bilyeu?

  that we cannot extrict ourselves from the arms race that is AI on the upper bound, that part that I'm saying that the government really does need to involve itself in, and understand what are the absolute bleeding edge capabilities that are going to be used against us, and how do we make smart moves there to ensure that we remain in control? Now, I fully understand that there's a huge contingent in America that has completely lost faith in America. We're certainly going to talk more about that as we get to Hassan. But, boy, oh, boy, you do not want to be in a world where you are at the mercy of other governments. And if you think that if only America would chill out, that everybody would get along and everything would be fine in the world, you're not paying attention

• 28:14Tom Bilyeu?

  to history, for sure, and you're not paying attention to the ground reality of what's changing. So I would put forward that US weakness brought you Russia, Ukraine. You can certainly make a very clear case that US stupidity brought you the war in the Middle East, but it did not bring you what's going on in Russia. That was brought to you by not asserting ourselves, not being in a position to put forward strength, strength of ourselves, strength towards our allies. And so if we show a similar weakness to China, then you can expect them to move on Taiwan, which they've stated they plan to do by 2027. So

• 28:55Tom Bilyeu?

  we have to be very mindful at this moment in history that this is not a case of if we chill, then everybody chills. So any technology that promises an advantage will be developed. China will keep developing this. We will keep developing this. And so given the truth of that, we have to develop this well. So spinning up doomerism narratives is not going to be a helpful path forward.

• 29:18Speaker 04

  You brought it up, the Hasan Piker interview. He was all sitting down with Axios. There's been a couple of clips that's gone viral. Let's start with this one. This is when Hassan says that America is worse than Al Qaeda, pound for pound.

• 29:30Speaker 06

  You once said that America is the top dog in terrorism.

• 29:34Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 29:35Speaker 06

  Do you think America, then, is worse than Al Qaeda?

• 29:38Speaker 07

  Pound for pound, as far as the number of deaths, yes, we've caused tremendous terror all around the world.

• 29:46Speaker 07

  I think that that is not only terror that we are waging on regular civilians in nations in the periphery, but it's also having consequences on ourselves. It's having dramatic consequences on the home front. One clear example of this is what we did in Minot, right? There's no distinction between blowing up a school, triple tapping it with Tomahawk missiles. If you're killing 140 schoolgirls, that is an act of terror. This doesn't mean that all Americans are terrorists, but the reality of the matter is, we have to create an environment of accountability to ensure things like that never happen again.

• 30:22Tom Bilyeu?

  All right. So, one, I actually agree with Hassan that we do have to create accountability. America cannot just run around the world doing whatever the fuck we want. Like, that is completely unhinged. And I think that something that I've been talking about a lot, and I think unfortunately is the only real answer, America has to refine its moral center. America has to step back from trying to police everybody. I think that, what's his name? Oh, God, Palmer Lucky. I think he has a really interesting take on this that I expect is extremely controversial. And I'll get back to Hassan's statement in a second. But the idea that America needs to stop being the world's police force and

• 31:02Tom Bilyeu?

  start being the world's gun store, that's gonna hit people funny. But what he's explaining is, listen, at the end of the day, we can't go fighting for people that aren't prepared to fight for themselves. And it's absolutely nonsensical for America to try to push its morals on the rest of the world. We tried running that. That did not work out well for us. Okay, so, is Hassan right by saying that we are a bigger terrorist than Al Qaeda? To me, that is so absurd. And this is somebody who has said on camera, I don't know how fast you'll be able to find it, Drew, but he's recently said that he hates America with, I didn't say blinding passion, but it was like, that's the gist. Like, he was

• 31:46Tom Bilyeu?

  over the top. The bad news is, I have a link to this as well, just not in the spreadsheet that you have. So I know it exists, and I know it's sort of recent era because he's in the same sort of dress that he's been wearing recently. But he was just like, completely over the top about, I hate America. This is the worst country in the world. So...

• 32:04Speaker 08

  Yeah, this one.

• 32:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Play it.

• 32:06Speaker 07

  Because I'm in the United States of America, the most dogshit country on the fucking planet, the absolute worst country on the planet, straight up, bar none, a capitalist shithole. Kaya, that was not the opportunity for you to... Down.

• 32:28Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't know why he's got such a weird thing about his dog moving, but whatever.

• 32:31Speaker 07

  The absolute worst fucking place on the planet, just a horrific, monstrous, awful, dogshit country that I fucking despise. The absolute fucking worst country that has the most, the most wealth throughout history, throughout time, the wealthiest nation on the planet, and we don't have a fraction of the dedicated broadband speeds that you can get in a fucking village on the countryside of France.

• 33:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so, this is somebody who hates America, so...

• 33:10Speaker 08

  I sent a clip where he actually gives his stance on America.

• 33:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Hold on. Wait, are you trying to say that he didn't just give his stance on America?

• 33:20Speaker 08

  Here's what, I've said it over and over again, because I think what happens to him is this guy gets clipped out of context. I mean, like-

• 33:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Bitch, I just played the fucking clip!

• 33:28Speaker 08

  So here's the clip of him-

• 33:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Out of what fucking context exactly is that clip? What, give me the context in which I'm gonna be like, oh shit, I get it.

• 33:36Speaker 08

  I'm pulling it up right now, I'm pulling it up right now. And also, the dog thing does have a medical, because I've babysat big dogs. It's a thing actually interesting called hip dysplasia. And a dog has to lie on a mat like that. I babysat a big dog that had to do that, the same breed. Here's the clip that Ryan sent over.

• 33:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 33:53Speaker 07

  I'm an American citizen. I talk about how frustrated I am with this country. I even say, God, I hate this country sometimes. Having said that, if I truly hated this country, one, I'd probably be a Republican, let's be real, because I think they're destroying this country.

• 34:07Tom Bilyeu?

  What?

• 34:08Speaker 07

  Or I would just leave. There's a reason why I stay here. There's a reason why I keep advocating for the things that I'm advocating for, because I truly believe in the promise of America. I believe in the goodness of my neighbors. I believe in the goodness of American citizens. And I know that people of good conscience can see right from wrong. And a lot of people are frustrated because they're not seeing the changes, and that develops, that breeds apathy. I don't want to fight back against that. And I want Americans to take control over the reins once again.

• 34:37Tom Bilyeu?

  That, that, okay, so, this can quickly become a me versus Ryan, which I don't want it to be.

• 34:45Speaker 08

  I'm not gonna argue. I'm just pointing out.

• 34:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Thank you, Ryan. I'm very glad that you bring this up. So, I will say this, completely devoid of Ryan, and by all means, if Ryan has more that he wants to say, I'm happy to hear it. And please, understand, Ryan is a lovely human being. He's a smart young man. So, I'm sure there are plenty of valid things that we're gonna want to hear from Ryan. But I will say this, this motherfucker is code-switching, two-faced, he is, of his own admission, a rabble-rouser who is trying to get people wound up. The reason that he doesn't leave America is because America is not a dogshit country. America is, when

• 35:26Tom Bilyeu?

  judged by its fruits, is the most successful country to ever exist in the history of the world. So, when you look at a country that is founded on one idea, men tend towards tyranny. You cannot trust your government. You must put things in place to stymie people trying to become tyrannical. That is America. That you've got to give people individual freedoms. You've got to give them the ability to speak up and say when there is a problem. And this is something that Hasan Piker himself leverages. Now, it is very different to say, hey, I don't like this foreign policy, or hey, I don't like this thing that we're doing here

• 36:07Tom Bilyeu?

  at home. But if you just look at what we've created, we've created the most wealthy, the freest country on planet Earth. That is not to say that it is perfect. But to say, he once said a more reasoned and rational thing, but I've got a clip of him in context, just going off, talking about how it's the worst country ever, it's total dogshit. Please do not insult my intelligence by asking me to go, oh, that time, psych, just kidding, he was just being playful. And this time, when he's talking in a rational voice, he's actually being the sincere version of himself. The sincere version of himself is that he understands how propaganda works. It is exactly why he has called himself a propagandist. He has said, out of his own fucking mouth, I'm a propagandist. This guy will say whatever

• 36:51Tom Bilyeu?

  he needs to say to get people to believe what he believes, so that he can usher in the version of America that he wants, which is total fucking lunacy at the level of cause and effect. So, the thing that I will be eternally judged against is cause and effect. That's it. We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead, so don't go anywhere. Let's talk about how much you're paying to stay safe online. Count it up. A VPN, a password manager, something to block ads and trackers, the service to scrub your data off of broker lists, a tool to flag scam emails. That's five. Five subscriptions, apps, logins, and

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• 38:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action. It doesn't matter if people agree with what I say. If what I say isn't accurate to cause and effect, I will immediately change the way that I think. I am not a propagandist. I am going out of my way to say, "Hold on, what is the mechanism? How are we building up where we're trying to get to? What are the steps that we're going to take from a cause and effect perspective to actually get there?" That is not what this is. This is somebody who has a genuine disdain for America and yet doesn't leave because he understands that it has still created something better. This is a, this, it is a mode of thinking that is so fucking ridiculous,

• 39:08Tom Bilyeu?

  and it is exactly what's happening with the DSA. These are people that have been surrounded by the comforts of wealth and success for so long that they do not understand what it took to get here. And what it took to get here was to distrust government, to understand that men tend towards tyranny, that you don't want a true naked democracy where 51% can bully the 49%. It's absolute madness. You want to create checks and balances within your system to stop demagogues from rising to power. And if you want to say that Trump is that demagogue, "Hey, look, he can't get fucking legislation passed."

• 39:47Tom Bilyeu?

  System is working as intended. So anytime anybody makes excuses for what Hassan says, I am just like, "What is happening right now?" This guy hates America. He, the things that he's putting forward have been tried elsewhere and they have completely derailed. This is a guy that went to China where they're actually led by an actual fucking authoritarian dictator, which he says is why he hates Trump, but there's an actual authoritarian dictator that he celebrates and loves and thinks is rad and got the Little Red Book of Mao, who's the greatest mass murderer of all time.

• 40:21Speaker 04

  We have that clip too.

• 40:22Tom Bilyeu?

  It's so fucking crazy.

• 40:23Speaker 04

  We can talk about China versus Israel.

• 40:26Speaker 06

  It seems you care a lot more about how Israel treats Muslims than how China treats Muslims.

• 40:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, because Israel is murdering not just Muslims, but Christians as well with my tax dollars. And that, I think, is unacceptable. It's the same principle behind America's global war on terror that is an abject failure that I oppose as well, that many Americans also oppose as a matter of fact.

• 40:48Speaker 06

  So you wouldn't be talking about it if you, if Israel wasn't an ally?

• 40:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, I would not be, I would not be as, as frustrated with the actions. Of course, I would still talk about it because it's a genocide. And there are, and I believe Amnesty International considers what China has done to the, we were Muslims, to be a cultural genocide, if I'm not mistaken.

• 41:11Speaker 06

  Do you agree with that?

• 41:13Speaker 07

  These are, I do, I do agree with that. There are, there are different, there are different terms applied for, for different actions. I think what Israel is doing is an outright genocide.

• 41:23Speaker 06

  Yes, but you think China is perpetuating a cultural genocide?

• 41:25Speaker 07

  Here, I'll give you another example, like Russia. Russia's actions are utterly unjustifiable in Ukraine. It's an illegal invasion. It has been monstrous, horrifying. It's had negative consequences for Russia. Of course, and first and foremost, tremendous negative consequences for regular Ukrainian society. Right?

• 41:47Speaker 07

  Having said that, it's a different standard between, and a different weight in the immorality of these actions as opposed to what Israel is doing in Gaza. Yes. And also the 75 years of apartheid and occupation, now 80.

• 42:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, okay. All right. So if he had negative energy for China, it just wasn't as much negative energy as he has for Israel. And if he had negative energy for what's going on in Africa with Christians being slaughtered, I'd be like, "Okay, he's at least internally consistent." The clip of him getting Mao's Little Red Book, Mao is the greatest mass murderer of all time. There's no one who's killed more of their own people in absolute numbers than Mao. What the fuck are we talking about? This would be like, dude, if you handed somebody Mein Kampf and they were like, "Oh shit, this is an original copy of Mein Kampf. I fucking love this guy. This is crazy." The, the guy that was with Hassan when they got the Little Red Book of Mao said,

• 42:48Tom Bilyeu?

  "Some people say this book is more important than the Bible." Like, these were not people who were like, "Yo, this was like, I, I have collected this as a remembrance of how wrong communism can go, how murderous and deadly it is to have authoritarian leaders." And so like, "I'm gonna have this as like a red hot piece of coal to keep in my life to remind me of how dangerous humans are?" That is not the spirit in which he took the book. The spirit in which he took the book is, "We want to be more like China. We want to get to the point where we can be a truly," whether he would ever say communist, but that was certainly the book that he was worshiping at the feet of, "A communist nation that follows in their lead." That is so crazy, man. And so for that guy, like at that point, his moral center is so fucked,

• 43:33Tom Bilyeu?

  is so retarded that every word out of his mouth after that is just like, "I am now suspicious of everything that you say. I cannot under..." The way that people map Mao is the craziest, most telling thing in the world. Dude, he killed at the low end 45 million people.

• 43:53Tom Bilyeu?

  His own people, man. This was not like, "Oh, we're at war." I'm not even counting like the, the civil war that he got into with the people who are now the Taiwanese. I'm talking about, he just fucking starved them to death, shot them in the face, had students beat their teachers to death, had kids ratting their own parents out. It was the wildest shit ever. And not only does he get a pass, he is celebrated by this guy. That is so wild. So listen, what's going on in Israel and Palestine is an absolute tragedy. But what I want people to answer is, "Why the fuck is it drug on so long?" And if the answer that you put forward is not religious in nature, stop talking.

• 44:35Tom Bilyeu?

  So, because there, there are very similar partitions that have happened, and they just have not led to this never-ending fucking warfare that is basically two theocratic regimes that are going at each other. Now, one of those theocracies has given you a thriving civilization and the other has not. And so if your answer does not somehow explain that, then I'm gonna have beef with that already. I don't need you to say that we like Israel and we like what they're doing. As far as I can tell, they are clearly trying to do ethnic cleansing. Like, that just seems blatantly obvious to me. They want them all the fuck out. They want to take over that area. Yup, 100%.

• 45:16Tom Bilyeu?

  But this has been this never-ending violence because people are so convinced that God is telling them to do this thing, that they won't just go, "What's better for my civilians?" So you had a similar partition happen between India and Pakistan. I won't say that things are calm there, but they're certainly doing a lot better. You had a similar thing happen in Cyprus. The island literally just got divided in half when they got invaded by Turkey, and they don't have this kind of violence. Like, they turned inward and were like, "Okay, that was a great tragedy, but I've got to think about my people and what's gonna be good for them." So it's like, when people just talk about this, like, "Oh, this is just Israel being a bunch of psychopaths",

• 45:57Tom Bilyeu?

  instead of two opposing forces that won't stop shooting at fucking each other, then the conversation just completely deranges. Now, one of them is far more powerful than the other, and that has become, I think, the thing that completely stops people from being able to think through this. And they just go, "These guys are the big bullies. They're killing everybody." Instead of saying, "What if they were equally armed?" Do we then think that Palestine would have less impact on Israel, or would it just be two countries completely annihilating each other? Again, I'm not saying that you should be happy with what Israel's doing. You can hate it to the extreme. What I am saying is that this is two groups that won't stop shooting each other.

• 46:41Tom Bilyeu?

  So we have to figure out, "Why the fuck won't they stop shooting each other?" And then I do think people have to account for, "How has one side been able to build cities and a thriving economy and the other has not?"

• 46:53Speaker 04

  You started at this beginning of the segment saying that you agree with Hassan, that America does need to have accountability. How do we balance keeping America accountable with not going all the way unhinged and saying, "I hate America. It's a shithole."

• 47:05Tom Bilyeu?

  I think you have to marry everything to, "What do we actually want to see people do?" So here's my response to America. Having watched from the 80s until now, actually being alive and experiencing it. America has to re-find its moral center. America has got to pull back from the world stage and trying to police everything. We have to actually learn the lessons of the Middle East. Going in and trying to sequester oil and force people to do deals that they don't want to do because it's in our national interest. You give up your moral authority at that point. You obviously begin to erode the belief that your own citizens have in you. That, that is asinine in the extreme. Yes, we need to protect our interests,

• 47:49Tom Bilyeu?

  but it has to be based on a set of morality that we can articulate out loud, and then we have to actually live by that, which we have not. And we've got to focus on what is actually good for our people. How do we make sure that we are strong? How do we make sure that we are prosperous? And you start baking that into policies. When we start looking at money inside of the government, we've got to actually have the will to get that out because people can feel that they're being whipsawed around by what is economically expedient in the short term with no thought to what is actually beneficial for us in the long term. And so rather than say, "America is this big shithole," it's like, I'm going to acknowledge, America is founded on a couple of principles that are so good that you see it echoed largely

• 48:34Tom Bilyeu?

  across much of the Western world. Also, that we're the longest surviving constitution ever. So we obviously did something right from that perspective as well. And so, understanding that governments tend towards tyranny, how do we protect ourselves against that? Understanding that individual human freedom, protecting property rights, these are, these are the engine of prosperity. These are the things we have to protect. And so, in what ways are we violating that? That we can point to in whether it's regulation or money in politics, whatever that is, it comes down to a policy that we do or something that we don't enforce. And we have to look at that stuff and actually map out. These are the things we're gonna have to fix. Just yelling and screaming from an emotional place is not going to solve this.

• 49:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Trying to act like Israel-Palestine is not a hyper complicated issue. Trying to make out like everything that we did in the Middle East was just fine because they're not treating their people with the same freedoms that they deserve. Acting like the rest of the world actively wants the kind of representative democracy that we have. They don't, man. They don't believe in the things that we believe. And so, we've gotta let the world have the space to do their thing and let them know, if you do something that's gonna come for us, then we're gonna come for you. And so, all of that makes sense. But none of that requires you to despise America. That's fucking wild.

• 49:55Speaker 04

  Yeah. We'll keep going, we'll keep an eye on it, cuz internationally, things are definitely heating up. Whether it's France or the UK, it seems like the entire Europe is getting war ready.

• 50:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, quite literally. The dual energy wars of Russia, Ukraine, and just a broadening war in the Middle East. It is creating so much energy disruption that Europe is transitioning rapidly into a war posture. And most people are not paying attention to this. For some reason, like we are so invested in Israel-Palestine that we have lost sight of what's going on in Russia, Ukraine. Obviously, I understand why people are so focused on the war in Iran. That one for sure. We've got to get our heads screwed on straight there and figure out how we are going to stabilize that situation and get the hell out. But what is going on in Russia, Ukraine, combined with what's going on in the Middle East, is now really starting to make things unnerving.

• 50:49Tom Bilyeu?

  The thing that we've been talking about here for a while that everybody needs to be paying attention to is, does this become one big conflict? The energy disruption is now the thing that is spurring Macron. So, his office has just called every party in the French Parliament to the Élysée for an urgent meeting. It is very unusual for them to try to bring the leaders of each party up to speed. So, understand that what's happening right now is not like typical. This is very strange. Now, the stated reason that Macron gave was that the rapid deterioration of the international situation is getting urgent and we're going to have to address this. And the people that ended up supplying the briefings were the head of France's domestic,

• 51:34Tom Bilyeu?

  foreign and military intelligence services, plus the country's top energy official. So, basically, you put that together and you realize, hey, guys, you've got Saudi Arabia telling us that we're not gonna get our energy. We've got the drama in Russia where Ukraine has literally bombed so many of Russians' largely diesel, ability to produce diesel, their infrastructure there, that we can't even go back and just say, alright, fuck it, we're gonna deal with Russia again. So, this is going to create disruption for us. And I'm sure they're thinking largely about this winter. And so, when you combine that with, oh, and by the way, here are the military advisors, you begin to understand that people are worried about a level of disruption

• 52:18Tom Bilyeu?

  that's either gonna cause somebody to start acting crazy, whether that they're worried about a Russian incursion or whether they're worried about something popping off between Europe itself. What exactly they're worried about, that I certainly don't have insight into. But we will start to see as this plays out. But Macron's office says that he wants anyone running to replace him in 2027 to be looking at the same intelligence that he is. So, he sees this as a problem that's coming down the road, that is only going to get bigger. And then, we're seeing that echo over to the UK as well. So, and the UK, quite frankly, is farther down the road of preparedness, which I was actually surprised by. But they have a plan for moving hospitals, police, industry onto war footing.

• 53:01Tom Bilyeu?

  The Defense Minister Al Karns told Sky News, "The country is drawing up plans to ready all of society for war," and said hostile intelligence activity against UK defense is up more than 50% in a year. And so, it's like, obviously, everybody is unnerved. Now, we don't wanna overblow this. What the UK in particular is asking households to do is still pretty chill. So, nobody needs to, you know, think that we're like at DEFCON. I never can remember if it's five or one that's bad. We're not at the extreme. But they are saying, you guys might need to be able to get through a few days without water or power or phone signal.

• 53:41Tom Bilyeu?

  So, that is somebody that understands that these conflicts are not as separated as we would like them to be. And in these periods where people are getting distracted by these conflicts, and there's going to be fighting, even if only diplomatic in the beginning, there's going to be fighting over dwindling resources. Energy undergirds everything. And so, when you have the kind of energy disruption that you're seeing now, you can expect it to create economic instability. You can expect it to create some risks for survival of like especially the elderly. If they're not able to heat their homes, we see this every year.

• 54:25Tom Bilyeu?

  And so, knowing that that's ratcheting up, when you just get that kind of destabilization, because people are not able to meet their basic needs, then you understand why nobody wants to be the person that's standing flat footed. Now, these are not people that are building a military and sending them to the border. That's not what this is. I definitely do not wanna blow this out of proportion. But it does need to be paid attention to, that the longer that the energy disruption in Russia and in the Middle East goes on, the more there are going to be consequences that are gonna have to be dealt with. And there's the famous saying that you're only nine meals away from revolution, meaning if people get hungry enough, they're gonna revolt openly in the streets. There's actually reports of that happening now in Iran.

• 55:09Tom Bilyeu?

  I haven't been able to verify the report, so take it with a gigantic grain of salt. But there's some video footage starting to come out that is being purported to show internal conflict inside of Iran where they're actually attacking some of the members of the IRGC because of all the economic disruption. So, are European bodies now starting to be wary of that? Or are they just wary of what Russia's doing? Russia fired flares, I think, at like a Norwegian vessel. I can't remember, it's Finland, Norway, Sweden, one of the Nordic countries. And so, people saw that as provocative, if nothing else. So, tensions are rising.

• 55:48Tom Bilyeu?

  And we are definitely gonna want to make sure that we're mentally aware that we're paying attention, that all of us are doing things that we would do when we see signs of instability. Nobody needs to freak out, certainly nobody should be panicking. But we do wanna be figuring out what is gonna be the plan to get to the other side of this. What are we going to do with diesel? Yeah, that is a big part of this. We need a plan to re-stabilize.

• 56:19Speaker 04

  DEFCON 1 is the worst.

• 56:20Tom Bilyeu?

  That's the bad one.

• 56:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, and Denmark was the country that Russia.

• 56:24Tom Bilyeu?

  The only one in the Nordic countries I didn't name. There we go, thank you.

• 56:28Speaker 04

  It does seem like this is gearing up for, I don't wanna say World War III and be like her hyper boast, but it's one of those things where if it is France and the UK teaming up with the Ukraine, going against Russia, they're gonna ask Americans for help. Americans have soldiers situated all throughout Europe. We're probably gonna get dragged in it one way or the other. It seems like it can become like a conflict and energy is the defining characteristic in this whole thing. I don't think the energy squeeze is what we thought was gonna push us into the war. But it seems like with diesel prices going crazy and people running out of oil reserves, it might force them to go to war.

• 57:02Tom Bilyeu?

  I mean, I hate to say that that is historically consistent, that is for sure. I know that a lot of people, if they haven't watched the show before anyway, might not have heard that the very thing that made Japan attack the US in Pearl Harbor was when we cut them off from oil. Once we realized that all the different regional conflicts were actually part of a broader war, and that's when we said, okay, wait, what Japan is doing in China is actually tied to what's going on in Europe, we can't have that. So, we're gonna cut them off from oil. And that made them strike because they realized that they had a dwindling amount of reserves and they needed to move quickly. And so, could we see Russia find themselves believing that they're in the same situation

• 57:44Tom Bilyeu?

  and that they have to push much harder by escalating the war? That is certainly a concern. So, I don't have any intel to go on there to say that, yes, definitively, that's something. Obviously, Putin has said very provocative things. So, that's gonna be on everybody's mind. I wouldn't rush to that just yet. But certainly, making sure that we get the Strait of Hormuz reopened, I think is very important. This is part of the reason that I don't think the US can just pull out of the Middle East right now, even though I think it has obviously proven itself to be stupid that we went in. So, look, history will be the final arbiter as to whether they were actually about to get nuclear weapons or not. That, I think, would have been a terrible outcome.

• 58:27Tom Bilyeu?

  But nonetheless, without knowing more information about that, just seems self evident that this was terrible. It's had an escalatory impact in terms of warfare now that the GCC nations, Saudi Arabia very specifically, are getting targeted, it's damaging their energy infrastructure. So, yeah, that is a very real thing that we are going to have to figure out what we do. So, we're not gonna be able to pull out there. Would we be able to leave Europe on its own? I don't know. Certainly NATO agreements could get triggered if Russia found themselves shooting more than flares at another NATO country. One thing that's been floated several times is the idea that Russia might do a skirmish

• 59:10Tom Bilyeu?

  on a NATO border just to see if they rally together or not. And so, yeah, we'll find out how far Russia is willing to push it. I don't have enough intel in terms of how weakened they feel. My sort of fingers crossed, I have no evidence for this, but boy, do I hope it's true, is that they recognize that they've already crossed some sort of threshold and that they're too weakened now to move forward and that they're better off negotiating. That's certainly my hope, but that literally is just hope. So we'll see how that plays out. But yes, historically speaking, what you said is all too plausible.

• 59:46Speaker 04

  All right, we gotta talk about the education system in America. First, we talked about New York, then we talked about some of the universities. Now, the University of California in a New York Times article has basically admitted to lowering their standards. Break this down for us, Tom.

• 59:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, this, this is so wild. So, numbers have come from the Burning Glass Institute, reported by the Wall Street Journal. For workers ages 22 to 34 without a college degree, unemployment has rarely been lower in the past two decades. So basically, it went from, hey, everybody in America, all you need to do is go get a degree, everything's gonna be good for you, everybody has said, I did what I was told to do, I went and got a college education, I took on all the debt, now I've gotten out and I can't do anything with it. And people have been, for a long time now, banging a drum, saying, listen, just going to college is not in and of itself useful. The whole point of going to college is that it prepares you for the actual workforce by

• 1:00:43Tom Bilyeu?

  turning your potential into actual usable skills. To do that, we need what is essentially a proxy for IQ, which is the SATs. And in some ways, hopefully, your high school grades tell us how disciplined you are, how willing you are to do the work and adhere to a system, to wake up, show up to class on time, do the work, all of that. And so you put high school grades together with your SAT scores, and that's a proxy for who's actually gonna do well in college, so that we only bring in people that are actually going to be able to leverage these four years to go and get a better job and be able to deal with the debt. And instead, what we did was said, college should be available for everybody, everybody should be quote unquote, in the elite class. We start overproducing elites that don't actually have skills that are usable.

• 1:01:28Tom Bilyeu?

  We started lowering the bar in high school, so that your high school grades really don't mean a lot. We have a very distressing number of people that aren't able to graduate high school with proficiency in math or reading, which is absolute insane. Like, you guys should be even more mad than you are at your parents' generation. That is absurd in the extreme. Goes back to this blank slate hypothesis that, hey, everybody starts the same and we just, you know, if we're getting bad results, then the test must be discriminatory. And all of that is just a bunch of bullshit. Some kids are gonna be super bright, super capable, super disciplined, ready to go, raised in a family that reinforces that, and others are not.

• 1:02:13Tom Bilyeu?

  And so if the punchline is the Asians dominate everything, then that's the fucking punchline. And if you want to get on the other side of that, then you've gotta go, what are they doing right? And we've gotta start adopting those beliefs, those cultural tendencies, so that if it's like, hey, we need you to buckle down, we need you to study harder, we need the schools to really be holding us accountable, then that's what we have to do. But the problem is, instead, we've rejected all of that, and now, kids with college degrees are doing worse in terms of employment. They're seeing record unemployment numbers, as people without a college degree are seeing record employment numbers. Now, to put that together, I think there's also just a cultural shift, where, I'll be

• 1:02:57Tom Bilyeu?

  honest, as an employer, I no longer think about college as being like some big filtering mechanism for me that says, oh, you went to an Ivy League school? Cool, you must be super bright. Now, I'm just like, I don't know about this, man. These guys have been lowering their standards, saddling you guys with an insane amount of debt, and not forcing you to test well in order to actually graduate. They just keep lowering the standards. It's crazy. So now, it's like, going to college with all the administrator bloat that makes it insanely expensive, the US government guaranteeing your college loans, so that they'll just keep giving loans to anybody, even though it's an absolutely terrible idea for that person, with their interests and skillset and the degree that they're pursuing to take on that kind of debt, they're always gonna be in trouble.

• 1:03:41Tom Bilyeu?

  That is a recipe for absolute disaster. And so now, that whole system is basically designed to get money from you, to get you in debt, backed by the government, and with absolute total disregard for whether or not you're going to be successful in the world, they just wanna know that you're going to be able to generate enough cash that that organization can keep growing. Remember, organizations are like organisms, and they have the impulse to grow and acquire more resources, in the same way that cancer does. And so they will just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger, until something stops that. I will say, the thing that's going to stop that is, the government needs to stop guaranteeing loans, so that banks will start being responsible and only loan money to kids that are actually

• 1:04:24Tom Bilyeu?

  likely to get a degree that will allow them to get a job that is so much better because of what they learned in college, that they'll be able to pay off that debt. Stop giving it to people that don't. And if we don't do that, then college is just gonna continue to be a vampire. And then the second thing is, that we start seeing stuff like this, where people that get degrees are actually in a worse position than people that don't get degrees. It's a pretty wild time. The hard reality is, in the world of global competition, if you don't actually get good at a skill that the workforce needs, you're going to struggle. And so it makes me very sad that the world has turned on hustle culture. If you think of hustle culture as, I wanna see how many of my skills I can turn into,

• 1:05:09Tom Bilyeu?

  or how much of my potential I can turn into usable skills, and then I'm gonna go deploy that in service of something that I'm really excited about, right? Don't take a job that you hate, make sure that you're on a path to doing something that you really care about, and then get as good as humanly possible at that thing. Because you are gonna compete on a world stage, and if other people are better than you, your company's gonna go out of business. So whether it's you working at a company, you having started a company, it doesn't matter, you're gonna stall out in your career. Because you can only campaign for so long to get more and better treatment inside of an organization, before that organization gets weakened from within and then can't beat off the people coming in that are doing something new and fresh and innovating, because

• 1:05:51Tom Bilyeu?

  they are actually staffed by people that have usable skillset.

• 1:05:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, with the adoption of AI too, and how intelligence is now gonna be decentralized, democratized, do you think that college fundamentally will have to change? And we can't do the same K through 12, four years in college system that we're currently doing now?

• 1:06:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, hyper aggressively. Here's a quick PSA for you guys. I understand, people are worried about AI. It is not that AI doesn't carry anything to be worried about, I get it. But part of what you need to be doing right now is getting so good at whatever thing it is you care about, that you can leverage AI. I have a new mental model for AI that I mentioned earlier in the show, but it bears repeating. The smarter the person, the smarter the AI. AI will often give you a terrible answer in the beginning, but if you know what to push on, it will yield results that are so good and so extraordinary. It is eye-watering. It's very hard for me to convey, because I can give you specific examples from how

• 1:06:52Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm using it, but those examples are so high utility for me, that I, it carries a massive emotional response, that I get this output, that if I gave to an average person that doesn't care about the things that I care about, they'd look at it and be like, ah, that's just a bunch of words. And I'm like, what? Like, this is a level of rapid organization of an idea, that you can disseminate it quickly. It is code that you can inject into something that you're building. It's the ability to create your own software that does something custom in a matter of hours. It is, it is unreal what AI has already done to increase the efficiency of somebody who is well-trained. Now, if you're an idiot, and you're just going to let AI think for you, you're gonna be held back in ways that will be so confusing to you.

• 1:07:35Tom Bilyeu?

  And you're gonna be like, AI shit, I don't know what people are talking about. It's because AI's trained on fucking everything. The way you phrase the question tells it, do I go give you a Reddit answer? Or do I give you something from Harvard Business School? I'm not joking. And so, you're giving it all kinds of cues in the ways that you prompt it. Drew, you're gonna have to pull me back from the brink, cuz I'm gonna give people a real example, and I want you to understand. Okay, so, I have what I'll say is a good eye for art, but I can't create it. Very frustrating thing in my life. So on Kaizen, one of the ways that I keep costs low is that I do all of the early iteration on the art, because I can do that now with AI. But with AI, to give you an idea, if you want to get a house style, don't worry, but

• 1:08:18Tom Bilyeu?

  just to be able to create something consistent, if you go, I want it to look like this, right? And your first impulse is gonna be to describe something that you've already seen. So I want it to look like, whatever, Mario Brothers. And so it'll do it, it'll give you something that looks like Mario Brothers. And then you're gonna launch into the world, and you're gonna realize, everybody just clowns on you because you're derivative. And they say, I've already seen that, this guy's just copying, right? But if instead, you understand things like, what you actually have to do is describe, okay, I need a, this isn't a Mario Brothers description, but this is a real one that I built and in early experiments, you guys will understand. I need something with a nine to one head height ratio, I need something with tapered

• 1:09:00Tom Bilyeu?

  limbs and constricted joints, a high waistline, long legs. Okay, you start doing that, now all of a sudden, the output is not only exactly what you have in your head, but it is phenomenally consistent and unique to you, because you're describing the very specific things you need. Now imagine carrying that over to software or to a business idea, i.e. teach entrepreneurship.

• 1:09:22Tom Bilyeu?

  And I will often find that I tell my students all the time, you guys should be having conversations with AI. And they will still come back and ask me questions that are like, AI 101 is going to answer this like super quickly. And so I'm like, what the fuck is the disconnect? And then I realized they don't have enough context in business to know how to get past that first generic answer. And so I'm able with the same fucking commoditized intelligence, I'm able to give them the, an answer that is like a thousand times better than the answer that they can derive because they don't know how to push it. They don't know the vernacular, they don't know the cause and effect inside of business. They don't know what the intellectual traps are versus what actually works in real life. What I call the knife fight of business. Okay, so that means we all still have to get trained.

• 1:10:05Tom Bilyeu?

  You, you, you can't just blindly go to a four-year institution to get a degree and stamp on it. It won't fucking matter. It's really going to come down to, can you leverage the intelligence that you now have access to? Your own and this commoditized magical box over here that has intelligence. And if we're training people on bullshit degrees because we think that the diploma itself matters, those people are going to forever be confused. The reality is we all now have access to um scaled intelligence, okay? It might not be smarter than you, but it's so much more scaled. It's aware of every industry, everywhere, ever. It's absolutely breathtaking. But you can't mindlessly just be like, give me thing. You've got to understand it.

• 1:10:50Tom Bilyeu?

  You've got to be able to push back. You've got to know how to phrase it, how to point it at something specific. You've got to know what to reject and how to refocus it. And if you do that, holy fuck, the things you can do are insane. But instead, we're fucking debating about whether the internet's been poisoned and we're just not like thinking clearly about what is the nature of intelligence itself? How do you leverage it? How smart do I have to get? You can't abdicate your responsibilities. You, you've got to re, let's, let's give it a new name. You've got to re-embrace what used to be known as hustle culture, which is simply about translating your potential into usable skills.

• 1:11:30Speaker 04

  Well said, very well said. There is levels to using AI, it's not just prompt and go.

• 1:11:34Tom Bilyeu?

  So true.

• 1:11:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. All right, we gotta jump back to LA. Spencer Pratt has been on a tirade trying to investigate fraud, misappropriations of funds, and he discovered something with the LA Homeless Services Authority.

• 1:11:48Tom Bilyeu?

  On September 16th, man, federal agents arrested two people in Los Angeles and charged a third who is now a fugitive because these guys are stealing so much money from you, the taxpayer. This is crazy. This is what happens when you deficit spend. This is what happens when you just want the government to get bigger and bigger and bigger. This is what happens when you firebomb a Tesla because Elon Musk starts Doge and wants to look at where is all the money going? This is what happens when you don't hold your politicians accountable to actual results because you can just print more money. It creates a level of fraud that is absolutely astonishing. And this is how you end up with a K-shaped economy because you're allowing people

• 1:12:33Tom Bilyeu?

  to go into these programs and just steal endlessly. Now, all three of these guys that are being pursued legally worked at or ran nonprofits, paid to house the homeless. Now, these are three separate cases brought by a DOJ task force. And that task force is built specifically to chase homelessness money. Now, anybody looking at this should understand that there's fraud going on, just like prima facie, on the surface, it is self-evident. If you are putting hundreds of millions of dollars into solving a problem and as you pour money into solving that problem, the problem gets bigger

• 1:13:13Tom Bilyeu?

  then clearly money is not the solution and people are stealing it, they're money laundering, they're doing something. But we have to just start calling a spade a spade. This is so crazy. If you put money into it and it gets worse, then money isn't going to solve the problem. Cause people are going to say, I don't know, this is because of the economy. That's absolute horseshit, that is not what's going on here. We have created a homelessness industrial complex. It was easy to see from the beginning that this organism, the, the organization is going to get bigger because that's what organizations do. They try to get more resources allocated to them and they're not going to put themselves out of business. So just like on its face, you know, it isn't going to work.

• 1:13:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, the Michael Young, who's like the, the biggest one in all of this, he's a founder of a Culver City nonprofit called Home At Last. Since 2019, his organization took more than $118 million in public funds. And prosecutors say that he skimmed more than $7.5 million of it through sham vendors. We're talking about fake bids, forged signatures, companies that don't even have employees or an address.

• 1:14:21Speaker 04

  Sheesh.

• 1:14:22Tom Bilyeu?

  And yet we were still cutting massive checks to these guys. We're talking about uh, bank accounts that, who, who knows who even controls this? And according to the complaint performed by the DOJ, the money went to commercial real estate, luxury vacations, vintage car restorations, and more than $1 million to, get ready for it, open a nightclub. It's so crazy, man. And the fact that people don't want to get into this and find the fraud, that, that is if a politician is actively working against legislation to make the fraud as nakedly apparent as humanly possible, that person is your enemy. So the whole Stop Nick Shirley Act, everyone that voted for that is your enemy. This is crazy. We need to be able to find out what's going on.

• 1:15:08Tom Bilyeu?

  And even if that ruffles some feathers on the way in, far better that we do that, far better that we've got people getting put on blast on YouTube, uh, only to find out, wait, hold on a second. Like, cause there was one guy that Nick Shirley went in and investigated and that guy was like, I'm not running. I'm not going anywhere. I didn't do anything wrong. I'll happily go back. Nick was like, damn, all right. Like, that's the kind of energy that I want to see, that we're, we've got journalists that are holding these people accountable, that are doing the investigative reporting of old, that are really trying to get to the bottom of what's going on. If we try to obfuscate that, there's a reason that we have journalists protections in America. Because we need people, that are the watchdogs that call bullshit when they see it. And if we've got legislators that are trying to make that impossible, literally fuck every last single one of them.

• 1:15:52Tom Bilyeu?

  That, that is insane. The K-shaped economy is because of deficit spending because we just keep printing money to cover this. Letting uh, fraud happen is not hurting the wealthy. This is how the K-shaped economy works. The wealthy are like, yeah, cool, fine, whatever. I'll pay my taxes and then I'll just watch my uh, investments go up. And then who gets hurt by that? The people that don't understand how investing works. So this is crazy, man. If you want to protect the person, the little person, somebody who's struggling to make ends meet, be disciplined, fiscally, make sure that every dollar that's supposed to end up to help somebody actually eat is actually going to help that person eat. This is crazy, it's crazy.

• 1:16:38Speaker 04

  You know, I'm like conflicted because I feel like we want to get to the bottom of this, but are we just super convoluted, more NGOs, everybody's on both sides is involved in it? That we're not going to get like an actual straight line, like do we?

• 1:16:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Of course.

• 1:16:53Speaker 04

  Do we need the actual like outsider to expose it?

• 1:16:55Tom Bilyeu?

  It's not gonna be, well, so journalists as outsider, yes, to expose that kind of thing. But the reality is, how are you going to solve this problem? You're going to solve that problem by making people take personal responsibility, by shrinking your social safety nets, by not spending 47% of your federal dollars on these programs. People have to understand, oh damn, I have to take care of myself. And that is the reality. If people know that they can just get free stuff, I just grabbed a clip, unfortunately, I kept it in my personal archive for when it's needed, I didn't think it would come up today. But there was this guy in Portland who said, um, basically, I want to make sure that we end up defunding the police. And the woman was like, well, hold on, what do you do when people are, like there's violent crime on the streets?

• 1:17:37Tom Bilyeu?

  And he said, I want to get rid of violent crime by taking care of people from cradle to grave. And I was just like, four, oh my God, wait, no, that's it. That's a fuck clip. How good are you? God damn, Drew.

• 1:17:49Speaker 04

  Let's go.

• 1:17:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go, here it is, all right, listen to this.

• 1:17:51Speaker 10

  Is your first response to, you know, PPA calling you to resign? Well, I think that it just shows once again that PPA is at a step with where Portland's at. Uh, 82% of Portlanders voted to have strong police accountability. And I think what we need to remember is, yeah, those tweets were spicy, but they were in the context of a period of time where the Portland police were gassing, beating, batoning, assaulting journalists on a nightly basis in the city of Portland.

• 1:18:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:19Speaker 10

  That's, that's where the real harm is. It's not about me, it's not about uh, PPA.

• 1:18:23Tom Bilyeu?

  That's so wild. Okay, so this is the right guy but the wrong clip. Uh, there's a, a clip of him legitimately just saying like, we need to take care of people, and I quote, from cradle to grave. Uh, that is absolute insanity. People then become lazy, they do not contribute. This has been tried over and over and over, this is why every commune ever fails because they run into the freeloader problem. You've got to have people that protect against freeloaders. Now, you've got to have people that protect against people being uh, assholes and just being like, well, I'm winning, so fuck you, I don't care. You need both. And when you have one or the other and not the dynamic tension between the two of them, you have pathology. And so the fact that these guys just cannot think straight is so,

• 1:19:06Tom Bilyeu?

  it, it is so damaging to the fabric of our society. You cannot take care of people from cradle to grave. This is why rich kids so often um, just absolutely implode. They don't have to earn the things that they get, they get a sense of entitlement and they actually don't have the skills or the ability to take care of themselves. You cannot raise a nation of children that are expecting the government to just take care of them at every turn. You need to have a safety net that stops somebody from falling all the way into the oblivion, but a massive expectation that they are going to immediately correct things and get back on the right path. You've got to get people that are mentally ill off the streets, you cannot let them run around. You've got to have checks and balances for that.

• 1:19:47Tom Bilyeu?

  If somebody is crea, if somebody has committed a crime, whether they are mentally ill or not, it doesn't matter. They've got to do time, simple as, if you want to put mentally ill people in a different kind of prison, I'm all here for it. But the reality is that people have to pay a massive penalty by getting off of the streets for committing crime, no matter what reason they committed the crime. Uh, so yeah, absolute insanity. When I hear that kind of lunacy, I'm just like, either these people are just really that dumb. Meaning they have a frame of reference that is so broken, they cannot be trusted to make any decisions whatsoever. But we've got to get society back on the right track to be able to get America thriving again, which is very possible, but it is downstream of changes in our cultural attitudes.

• 1:20:32Speaker 04

  I think when the defund police movement came out, it kind of got hijacked into a way that I don't know where it is like right now currently, but I want to throw up this graph right now because when it initially started and got on my radar, this was the framing in which they would use it. Whereas you can see on your screen, 3.6 billion is for police. The next thing is 1.5 billion for fire. The next thing is 1.1 for sanitation and then everything else kind of drops off. So just a disproportionate amount of spending for police versus the entirety of the budget. This to me is more so we can balance the budget better. We can take, we can give them 2 billion instead of 3.6. You know what I mean? There's certain things that we can navigate there.

• 1:21:07Tom Bilyeu?

  I think that people are approaching the right problem at the wrong place. So how about we all talk about, let's make policies that lead to not needing as much police presence. Then we look at, okay, whenever you're about to do something, has anybody done this before me? What does that look like? And so you're going to get a bunch of different options on the table. You're going to get broken window policing. You're going to get what they're doing in El Salvador. You're going to put a bunch of options on the table. You're going to say, okay, these have yielded tremendous outcomes where we had far less crime. Now, now we get into the debate of are any of these crossing moral lines that we don't want to cross? And you just look at what is the reality of the policing? And so it's entirely

• 1:21:49Tom Bilyeu?

  possible that the thing that people actually want is police to be paid more money so that they get a better result. Meaning if what we're worried about is violence, okay, well, how do we make sure that we're able to defuse these situations without as much violence? So should we be putting more money into non-lethal technologies that can instantly disable an attacker, right? That if we put money into that, I bet there are things that we could do that would really be effective. Now, again, there's going to be question marks around, well, do we want them using a microwave blasts on their head so it disable? Hey, let's have that debate, but I just want to get this down to the level of cause and effect. Now, one of the things that people have to look at is, okay, why is America so

• 1:22:32Tom Bilyeu?

  high in incarceration rates, right? So you've got to put all that stuff on the table. We want to have those conversations, but where people are having the conversation is at the level of, I just don't want to see, you know, violence between police officers and the people that they're trying to take down. But now as body cam footage is coming out, we're seeing more and more, yeah, that mother, the guy that they just shot was fucking attacking him with a knife. So it's like a lot of the vision that people had about police doing crazy shit is because it's dangerous to be a cop. And so now body cams, I think has been a huge add. And so it'll be interesting to see how often was this completely unjustified? Can we solve that with better training? Or is this just, nope, police just attend, they

• 1:23:13Tom Bilyeu?

  attract a, an aggressive person with violent tendencies who's just absolutely unafraid of conflict. And so these, you know, just draws that kind of person. And so, okay, what do we do in those situations? But we have to, instead of it becoming a bumper sticker around defund the police, which when you have the problem of violence on the streets, which is absolutely nonsensical. So it's like, you first have to see that crime is coming down. Then you can start saying, okay, we don't need as much money going to the police as we have right now. But starting with just reduce police presence, there's no data that shows that that is an efficient way of solving this problem. So, and if somebody has it, by all means put it forward. But when you look at like, El Salvador is one of the best

• 1:23:55Tom Bilyeu?

  examples. It's just so dramatic. It's so radical. Again, I get if people have a pushback in terms of the morality of it, but it gave you a natural experiment that says, if you committed a crime, you're, you're getting locked up, plain and simple. And then crime just whoop, falls off a cliff. So that's the kind of thing that we really have to look at.

• 1:24:16Speaker 04

  It's one of those things, like to your point of the policy level, homelessness is not a quote unquote crime. So when you see a bunch of encampments and things like that, people say defund the police, but we have all these homeless people. It's not that the police aren't doing their job. It's just, it's not a policeable offense. So a lot of things like that.

• 1:24:30Tom Bilyeu?

  And I'll say that what you have right now is you're letting people, you're changing the laws to make it a bigger problem. So if you think of homelessness as I'm trying to protect two things, I'm trying to protect the danger. So I don't want homeless people coming in contact with like the average kid just trying to get to school. And the, call it aesthetics, the beautification that make people feel invested in their neighborhood, safe in their neighborhood, enjoy their neighborhood, et cetera. So now you start getting rid of like anti camping laws, which are really anti homelessness laws. And so now you facilitate homelessness. So it's not as difficult as it once was. Nobody's harassing you. So

• 1:25:12Tom Bilyeu?

  now there's just less push to get off the streets and back into a job or whatever. Also becomes just rampant drug use. And so now when you're facilitating safer drug use, instead of saying it's illegal to do the drugs in the first place, and it's doubly illegal because you're doing it out in public. And so we're going to arrest you, we're going to get you in prison. So that at a minimum, hopefully you'll get clean while you're in prison. But if you manage to find prison drugs, at least you're off the streets. And so saying, I have a bigger responsibility to protect the, like the, the neighborhood as a whole than I do to be compassionate to the person that has, unfortunately, because it is like, it is an extreme tragedy for anybody to get addicted to drugs. Remember, I believe people don't have free will. So I'm not even saying that person chose to

• 1:25:56Tom Bilyeu?

  be on drugs, but you have to treat them in a manner where cause and effect kicks in. So if they're doing drugs, and I don't make that hard on them by locking them up, by saying you can't be here, then they're just going to do it everywhere. And so now you get the neighborhood actually begins to decline. People don't feel safe. They aren't safe. And so you run into that death loop. And so where I see this is people are having a hard time delineating between, I feel it's a deep tragedy that this person has be, has gotten addicted to drugs. I don't even blame them for getting addicted to drugs. It's part of how the human psyche works. The drugs are available. They probably have emotional trauma. They may have also personality deficits or intelligence deficits already. And so

• 1:26:39Tom Bilyeu?

  they get sucked into this negative spiral that super sucks and I feel absolutely horrible. But nonetheless, my bigger responsibility is to the collective. And so that person has got to be removed from the streets, period. And so once you stop doing that, once you think that you owe them a bigger affordance, then you spiral into madness. And that is where we're at now. So do I think that we owe people a responsibility to stop drugs flowing into the country? Absolutely. Do I think that we owe people a responsibility to make sure that people can't get drugs in prison? So it works as a de facto getting clean place? Absolutely. So there are a lot of problems that we can attack to make it

• 1:27:21Tom Bilyeu?

  more humane that we're taking people off the streets. But you can't just be like, well, they could get, you know, a disease by sharing needles. So we're going to give them needles. Get the fuck out of here. Like that is crazy. It's, doing drugs is a bad thing. It has negative consequences. People will learn, don't do that dumb ass shit. You don't just keep facilitating this to make it easier to get away with. That's like saying, hey, look, 14 year olds growing up in this neighborhood have a tendency to get in high speed car chases. And so they're dying at unusual numbers. So we've got to make sure the taxpayer dollars go into retrofitting the cars that are most likely to be stolen with roll cages and superior harnesses. Like what the fuck are you talking about? Stop these kids from stealing the fucking cars. And like, it is, yeah. Do I feel bad that a 14 year old is growing up

• 1:28:06Tom Bilyeu?

  in a neighborhood where that is the outcome? Yes. Should we find ways to address it? Yes. Might I suggest an education system that isn't retarded? But you don't spend taxpayer dollars to build better roll cages and harnesses because kids might steal the fucking cars. Like that, that is a full level of retard that we have gone with homelessness.

• 1:28:25Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's interesting though, because if you go to different cities in LA, you can see it almost immediately. It's illegal in Beverly Hills. It's illegal in Glendale. It's legal in downtown LA. So naturally that's where people migrate too. And me living in both places, I can see how I've never had to deal with homeless people. It was never a thing to now there might be somebody outside my door. And it's just like, oh, okay. Like it's, it's the same city, same jurisdiction. It's just different local municipalities and things like that. So.

• 1:28:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Yup. And it has massive impact. It's wild.

• 1:28:51Speaker 04

  All right. We got to jump over to the Lindsey Clancy trial because the holdout drawer is now being exposed. This is a statement that he gave to News Nation. I didn't have any doubts as I tried to explain different possible theories during deliberation. I kept getting cut off as if I had doubts based off the evidence present. Based on all the physical evidence, key witnesses and what the prosecution presents, I thought it was enough proof that she, Clancy, knew exactly what she was doing and planned. Michael P. Dasrodville.

• 1:29:17Tom Bilyeu?

  So we got to back up a little bit. All right. So you've got one juror in the Lindsay Clancy trial. If you guys don't remember who she is, she strangles her three kids to death using an exercise band. She doesn't deny it. She said, I did it. And nobody's arguing whether she's guilty or not. What they're arguing is whether she snapped mentally and should go to prison or not. And the thing that terrified me as I read through this was, first of all, people were hounding this juror, right, which they shouldn't do. I think it's already illegal. And people were going after this guy because he supposedly, according to the other jurors, he supposedly was a holdout, that he admitted that he had reasonable doubt and that he was just being stubborn

• 1:29:58Tom Bilyeu?

  for the sake of being stubborn. And then he finally gets doxxed and not finally as in a good thing, but they just the pressure campaign is so unrelenting that people finally find out who he is. They dox him. And so it's forced him to break his silence. And basically what he's saying is, dude, she's guilty. She strangled these kids to death. Like, you're not going to be able to browbeat me into saying that she didn't, you know, she wasn't in control of herself and I believe that she was. And so what he said was, all of the other jurors were acting like activists. That's the thing that makes me super paranoid. We are now in a populist moment where everybody is so convinced that they're right, that they want to grab hold of society and just say, we've got to do it this way.

• 1:30:41Tom Bilyeu?

  And if I've got to subvert justice to get there, then the ends justify the means and I'm going to do it. That, that is dangerous in the extreme. If I see somebody that agrees with me, that wants to subvert the system, right? Take our government, which has all these checks and balances to make sure that that kind of thing doesn't happen. They want to subvert that because it's like, well, but we're right, right? I would immediately be negative towards that person and what they're trying to pursue because I'm worried about everyone's bend towards authoritarianism, including myself. So I don't want anybody to have that kind of overt solo control. It is crazy. And by the way, I got somebody wrote me a message that was like, Tom, you're not being honest because you run a company like a dictator.

• 1:31:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, motherfucker, because I've got the entire marketplace that will put me out of business if I'm making the wrong decisions. So there is a check and balance. When you have the government can just swindle taxpayers and pay for the dumbest shit ever and then inflate the currency like crazy by deficit spending and then slowly just force some future generation of kid to deal with this. That is a totally different level of malevolence, man. The fact that I will go out of business and keep in mind, if I go out of business, I lose a bunch of money. My employees got paid all along the way, but I will lose a shit ton of money. So yes, because I'm the one that's at risk, I'm going to run the company the way I see fit

• 1:32:08Tom Bilyeu?

  because I'm the one that wins or loses. And if I lose, then A, it's bad on me. You can't run a fucking government like that. That's crazy town. So the fact that people cannot differentiate between those two things is like, kids, make contact with reality, figure out why a company is different than a country because they are different for gigantic reasons. So anyway, it, it is crazy that people are now so, judges are acting like activists, jurors are now acting like activists. It's wild. Figure out what makes a government work. Why has America had the longest running

• 1:32:46Tom Bilyeu?

  constitution? I don't know why I made that word seem so hard. Why has America had the longest running constitution? Why have we been able to generate the wealthiest nation on earth? There are answers. This is not a mystery. We can understand how that came to be. And it came to be for the bedrock principles that the country was founded on. And one of those being the individual, the individual is the right layer of analysis. So Lindsay Clancy is not about future women. Lindsay Clancy is about Lindsay Clancy. Killed her fucking kids. And if you don't put people like that in jail, then you're going to have a very big problem on your hands. Because what we're signaling to society is that, A, look, if you had a bad day,

• 1:33:32Tom Bilyeu?

  it is what it is. Don't worry, girl. We got you. Like, I actually saw- Are we talking about murder here? What's happening? Yes. Dude, I saw a clip where a woman said, Lindsay, I know you may never see this clip, but I just want you to hear from me. You're a hero. That's a quote. You're a hero. What the fuck are you talking about? She's not a hero. She is a psychopath who strangled her three kids to death. Now, again, being a human is hard and Lindsay Clancy obviously got a bad role of genetics. Or Lindsay Clancy went through something in her life that broke something in her psyche. That sucks, man. There but for the grace of God go I. I do not see myself as superior. Fuck, man. Later today, I could get in a car accident, suffer head trauma and become like Phineas Gage and be a total raging psychopath.

• 1:34:15Tom Bilyeu?

  And it wouldn't be because I did something wrong. It just is what it is. But if I run around stabbing people on a train, fucking arrest me. So put me in jail. That's just the hard reality. And the fact that people cannot separate the just gut wrenching, broken heart that you would have that somebody is going through this from the, but you still have to lock her up. It's so wild, man. People have got to get clear headed about this stuff or we go somewhere very dark.

• 1:34:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. My funny, my favorite story of the deliberations is when they were arguing, he took the exercise band, tied it around the water bottle and started to like strangle the water bottle, kind of show people like, you guys, this is what she did, like, and like actually did it in front of everybody. It's wild though. I don't think I've ever seen a case where the juror is now being investigated, ridiculed. People were bringing up things from his past all because he stood up.

• 1:35:08Tom Bilyeu?

  By the way, shout out to this guy. So the ability to stand up to peer pressure, most people cannot do it. They really can't, man. Peer pressure is crazy. Read the book, Ordinary Men.

• 1:35:22Tom Bilyeu?

  The fact that he was able to say, look, this is what I believe and I'm going to stick by this. And if these guys are going to act like activists, I'm not falling for it. And I'm going to say what I believe to be true. And that's all any of us can hope when we go into the legal system is that that jury is going to be full of people that really believe that they have to be objective, that they can't just go with the flow of what everybody else is saying. And God forbid that they be swept up in like public group think. Humans individually are awesome. Humans as a group become scary.

• 1:35:53Speaker 04

  All right, let's jump over to Neuralink, where this is a bit of good news. A beautiful surprise is the tweet. Let's listen to it.

• 1:35:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Positive for sex. I think we got to give people some context, especially because the beginning of this clip is just sort of dead. If you're looking at your screen, you'll see what looks like a noise pattern. That noise pattern is Neuralink. So it's Neuralink is a brain computer interface. It's reading this guy's thoughts. Okay. And from, and if you're looking at a screen, it looks like,

• 1:36:19Tom Bilyeu?

  if you're old enough, you'll remember that TVs, when they didn't get a signal, they would just go to noise static. It looks kind of like that, but there's actual patterns in that data. And AI is so powerful. It can read the patterns in that data and know what words he's trying to say. And so what you're watching, I believe, is a husband and wife. So this guy's completely lost his ability to speak. I don't know if he has ALS or what, but they've been able to connect to this kid's brain, man. This is one of those things that is so exciting and take him from being nonverbal to being verbal. So what you're about to witness is that moment where his wife is for the first time hearing the computer speak on his behalf after reading his brainwaves

• 1:37:02Tom Bilyeu?

  and discerning exactly what he's trying to say. This is wild.

• 1:37:08Speaker 11

  What?

• 1:37:10Speaker 11

  Wait, you're thinking the words and they're popping up?

• 1:37:18Speaker 11

  I, I love you.

• 1:37:20Speaker 12

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:37:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, that's, it is really incredible to think about how far this technology, big time. That one's earned. To think about how far this technology has already come and how much farther it's going to go. Again, you're having a biological experience. There's not some sort of mystery going on between your brain or maybe you could call it a mystery, but mystery in the sense we just don't know what it is yet. It isn't that it is a magical force.

• 1:37:51Tom Bilyeu?

  It's patterns, neuronal firing. And when the technology gets to the point where it is sufficiently advanced that it can map that stuff out, suddenly it seems a lot less magical and seems a lot more grounded. And we can literally read people's minds. Now, having said that, that becomes a scary thing for a lot of people. The, the idea that that guy's just thinking and the computer doesn't have like a gist of what he's thinking. The computer knows the exact words that he's thinking, including like a little stutter. It is, um, this, this is revolutionary in the most exciting way possible. So I could not be more excited to see this kind of advance taking place. It is a very scary thought to think that we could get trapped inside of our brains.

• 1:38:36Tom Bilyeu?

  And so, yeah, the, the fact that these guys are, are helping people like that is really extraordinary.

• 1:38:42Speaker 04

  Okay, we gotta jump over to this high rocks story. It's been like popping off. It's been going for a little bit now, but Jono Whatserick won the high race, high rocks race in Beijing after becoming seriously unwell mid-event.

• 1:38:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Unwell.

• 1:38:56Speaker 04

  By unwell, I mean she had explosive diarrhea. So as you guys can see, that is diarrhea all over her legs. And when I first told Tom this story, Tom's like, hell yeah, like she's super hardcore. Like, that's good, but there's some sanitary event of things being brought up. She later came out and apologized. We see that this happened earlier in the event, so she still had other things to do, had to pick up other stuff and all this other things. But I wanted to throw this on to you because it's kept getting pushed, but I want to talk about it.

• 1:39:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, here's the thing. Okay, listen, you really do have to be careful of the sanitary stuff like that. That isn't something to just look beyond. Now, I will say that, setting that aside, we have really lost as a society, we've really lost the celebration of people that push very, very hard. And you can imagine in an extreme situation, imagine that you have a firefighter and the firefighter is, you know, confronted with something overwhelming and he goes through something like this. I get why people be like, look, in a competition, I don't love it. You're putting people at risk for spreading disease. But when we turn to the most hardcore people that we have to hold the integrity of society

• 1:40:07Tom Bilyeu?

  together, we've got to celebrate those people are able to find a gear in their mind. It's been interesting to watch the public, for instance, respond to somebody like David Goggins, who is one of the most extraordinary minds I've ever encountered in terms of the ability to suffer, to put a focus point on the horizon that he's trying to get to and actually be able to get there and push through it. And that we are losing the will to celebrate that, I think, is very detrimental to society. And so wanting to see that there is this gear in all of our minds, that all of us in the right scenario should want to believe that we're capable of that.

• 1:40:51Tom Bilyeu?

  And when we see that put on display, should be able to go, okay, look, a little gross that, you know, she did that in a competition, but it is incredible. This woman obviously has like massive amounts of discipline, is very driven, can push through pain and suffering, which, oh, there's a great quote, I forget who it's by, but the punchline of it is he's like, on my, on my friends, I wish pain and suffering and failure because it will prove the only thing in life that matters, that one endures. And I remember thinking, oh, man, like that even now, just recanting that, I have the chills.

• 1:41:33Tom Bilyeu?

  That is such an extraordinary idea that all of us are going to face immeasurable pain and suffering at some point in our life. And the question becomes, how do we respond? And if we break, man, you gotta use that to rebuild because you should be holding yourself accountable to being able to push through that stuff and wanting those moments to make you stronger and to answer truly the only question that does ultimately matter, does one endure? And so this to me is that story. And I for one am not willing to let go of celebrating that people are able to find that gear in themselves, to push beyond discomfort, to realize that people break mentally and emotionally long before they break physically.

• 1:42:14Speaker 04

  That was a Friedrich Nietzsche quote that you said.

• 1:42:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go.

• 1:42:18Speaker 04

  So when life gives you shit, keep working.

• 1:42:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Ayo. When it has it all down your legs.

• 1:42:25Speaker 04

  When life gives you explosive diarrhea, keep working.

• 1:42:28Tom Bilyeu?

  All right.

• 1:42:28Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 1:42:29Tom Bilyeu?

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