How Immigration and War Test the Strength of Values and National Identity

ITU: Ready to break through your biggest business bottleneck? Apply to work with me 1:1 - https://impacttheory.co/SCALE Sign up for my next FREE A. I. class here: https://tombilyeu.com/leverage-ai-july-9?utm_campaign=ai-masterclass&utm_source=x&utm_medium=social&utm_content=post-260407-1 https://tombilyeu.com/leverage-ai-july-9?utm_campaign=ai-masterclass&utm_source=x&utm_medium=social&utm_content=post-260407-1 Welcome back to another episode of The Tom Bilyeu Show with Tom and channel moderator, Ryan. The conversation today focused on the world's most pressing geopolitical flashpoints and the way they expose deeper truths about global power, economics, and cultural identity. One concept discussed was the fragile state of negotiations in international hotspots like the Strait of Hormuz, with the panel exploring how asymmetric warfare and economic leverage continue to shape the ambitions of nations such as Iran, Israel, Russia, and Ukraine. A key theme that emerged was the complex interplay between ideology, values, and survival, especially in the context of heated debates over immigration, assimilation, and national identity in the US, UK, and EU. The discussion explored controversial statements around the necessity of assimilation, the strengths and weaknesses of diversity, and the role of government in shaping individual and collective destinies. Several points were raised, including the long historical cycles of conflict, the evolution of tech and economics, and the personal responsibility each citizen bears in turbulent times. Whether addressing the failures of major powers to enforce order or the disruptive potential of rapid technological advancement, this episode challenges listeners to critically examine the values and realities that underpin our modern society. Chapters: 00:00 Economic tensions in Strait of Hormuz 09:00 Trump's negotiating strategy and leverage 16:45 Losing faith in US power 21:34 European support boosts Ukraine's defense 27:07 Putin's Paranoia and Military Trust Issues 28:15 Putin's potential future conflicts 36:20 Middle East conflict escalation debate 41:33 Rothschilds and British Empire influence 47:32 Rothschild family and political influence 52:12 Discussing Israeli-Palestinian Conflict 55:01 Debating the Israel-Palestine conflict 59:55 Discussing Cultural Identity and Values 01:05:39 Economic impact of immigration policies 01:15:15 Missing Jordan Peterson's Influence 01:19:48 Cultural division and gaming industry 01:23:49 Understanding assimilation in the USA 01:27:01 Discussing kids coming out as trans 01:34:41 Forming Interest-Based Groups 01:42:13 Finding purpose in children's entertainment 01:46:53 Frustration with U. S. economic policy 01:49:34 Embracing resilience and innovation 01:53:31 Signing off and well wishes Sponsors: Ketone IQ: Visit https://ketone.com/IMPACT for 30% OFF your subscription order Paleovalley: 30 for $36 https://bit.ly/PaleovalleyIT Incogni: Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code IMPACT at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/impact OpusClip: Explore Agent Opus at https://agent.opus.pro/explore Truemed: Check your eligibility and start saving at https://truemed.com/impact Ethos: Get a free quote athttps://ethos.com/impact Quo: Try for free PLUS get 20% off your first 6 months at https://quo.com/impact Netsuite: Right now, get our free business guide, Demystifying AI, at https://NetSuite.com/Theory https://netsuite.com/Theory Pique: 20% off at https://piquelife.com/impact Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impact See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:28Tom Bilyeu?

  But we've got Ryan in his usual position, so all will be taken care of. Now, the MOU was signed and fell apart almost immediately. So the Strait of Hormuz is once again closed. If you guys were paying attention to Moscow, it is burning as Ukraine is absolutely hammering them with drones, showing that they have capabilities that people did not expect. Even the EU is getting more strict on their immigration policies, passing legislation to create deportation hubs for people whose asylum claims have been rejected. So alas, reality is going to come for us all. The Trump admin and Bernie are starting to agree on co-opting the AI industry because,

• 2:13Tom Bilyeu?

  well, I guess the government is so good at managing capital, why not? Terrified about that one, we're going to be talking all about it. Speaking of things that are terrifying, California is going to vote in November on whether or not to allow illegal immigrants to vote. I guess it's not a conspiracy theory anymore. Conspiracy theories remain undefeated. 94% of all jobs went to women last year. That's startling. We're going to talk about the problems that are going to ensue from that. In the UK, a man threw a three-year-old, not his three-year-old, a stranger's child over the fence into an alligator enclosure, presumably because he wanted him to be eaten.

• 2:56Tom Bilyeu?

  But he gets out on bail, but if you tweet about it, you're going to get sent to prison. That shit is wild. The UK is really lost its mind, but Rockstar Games is not because GTA 6 pre-orders have been announced. It looks like it's actually going to happen in November. We are legitimately talking in this company like, hey, if you're going to take the day off, just give me a heads up as I am expecting this place to be barren on the day that it comes out. But very exciting times and all the love in the world to Calshi. Thank you so much, Calshi, for continuing to support the show. We really, really appreciate it. The QR code is on the screen. Use IMPACT to get $10 off your next trade on Calshi.

• 3:40Tom Bilyeu?

  And you guys know I love Calshi because it allows us to get a read on what's going on in the world. What is trending? What do people think? They are way better than the polls. So could not be more grateful to have those guys on as they're certainly a big part of what we do in terms of trying to get a lay of the land on what's going on in the world. Now, speaking of what's going on in the world, just, just as the oil began to flow again. The MOU fell apart. It was a roller coaster going from the end of the show on Wednesday until today. How we're like, oh, my God, it's actually getting signed. Holy cow, this is going. Oh, my God, the strait is open again. This is incredible. No, wait. Uh, it's all falling apart.

• 4:22Tom Bilyeu?

  And just as JD Vance was doing a tour to hit the PR beats, to let everybody know why we were doing this. And what a great thing this was going to be for America. It all falls to shit. Now, never have I wanted to be more wrong in my life. But this is exactly what I said was going to happen on Wednesday. Literally, I said, the whole thing with Iran, they want to be in control. Time is on their side. They're going to try to drag this out until the midterms. And the very tool that they're going to use to do that is Hezbollah and Israel. Israel made it very clear, hey, the US is trying to make us a part of this thing, which they are doing unilaterally. We do not agree. That's totally off the table.

• 5:05Tom Bilyeu?

  We are going to defend ourselves and until Hezbollah pulls out of the south of Lebanon, we are going to remain. They did not pull out of the south of Lebanon. So Israel stayed. Lebanon struck one of their tanks, killing the crew inside. I believe it was four Israelis died in the initial strike. Uh, and then a couple of hours later, um, they ended up striking again, killing five more Israelis, I believe. And so Israel struck back, uh, I think hitting something like 80 different sites. Uh, and so now there's 18 Lebanese dead. And that led Iran to say, hey, we told you guys, this was all a part of this. So, uh, now the talks are off. We're not going to begin the first phase of the negotiation.

• 5:49Tom Bilyeu?

  So even before the negotiation started, they ended. And JD Vance has ended up canceling his, uh, trip to Switzerland. And so the strait is now closed once again. So this is, I think, exactly what we can expect to happen over and over and over as all of this drags out is until.

• 6:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Both sides actually want to see this end. This is just going to continue to drag out. Now, the fascinating thing, of course, is that this is an economic question. And so as these two sides go back and forth, they are both trying to play a dance that is going to be very difficult to do well. Because you've got Iran, which is advantaged by the world being put in this very precarious situation of 20% of the energy is traveling through the Strait of Hormuz. You even had Trump talking about the fact that, um, listen, the reason that I wanted to end all of this, the reason that I wanted a negotiated settlement was because we were

• 6:53Tom Bilyeu?

  headed towards economic catastrophe. And so he's finally saying that out loud. Previously, obviously, not being willing to go all the way to that, that we had all the cards, uh, that he wasn't worried at all about how this was affecting Americans from an economic standpoint. We just couldn't let that into our minds. We had to think about the nuclear consequences of this, and that was all that really mattered. Uh, now, of course, changing his tune, and don't take my word for it. Let's let the man speak for himself. So we have Trump talking about the potential economic catastrophe. Here he is.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  So the one thing I didn't want to see is, I didn't want to see economic catastrophe. If you kept this going, that could have happened. But all I know is every time we talked about the possibility of peace, the stock market shot up like a rocket ship. It never went down. They didn't like it. The people, you know, the stock market is more brilliant than anybody there is, including the people on this stage other than me, of course. Let's see.

• 7:57Tom Bilyeu?

  He just can't help himself.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  I don't know. What do you think, Scott? Is the stock market more brilliant than you? Oh, that's a terrible saber.

• 8:05Tom Bilyeu?

  If you guys couldn't hear that, Scott Beson said, "No, sir." It's like, come on, Scott Beson literally helped break the back of the currency in England. Boys and girls, like, that is not a guy who's gonna be like, "Yeah, it's smarter than me." Like, first of all, that's a dumb-ass thing to ask somebody on stage. So Trump, who doesn't have nearly the economic wherewithal that Scott Beson has, says, "It's smarter than everybody up here, except me, of course," which, goddamn, just makes him sound ridiculous. But then to, what, try to rub, like, his smelly jockstrap in Scott Beson's face? Like, what the fuck is he thinking? Dude, it's so wild.

• 8:44Speaker 02

  It smells like roses.

• 8:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, right. Isn't that the best smell ever, Scott? So, anyway, I think Scott Beson was right to push back on that. But there, I am sure there is gonna be some punishment coming Scott Beson's way for taking that stand there on the live broadcast. And then, we've got more from Trump on that. Let me see if we can get that link quickly.

• 9:12Speaker 02

  Speedrunning it.

• 9:13Tom Bilyeu?

  We are certainly trying.

• 9:16Tom Bilyeu?

  So this is Trump explaining why he wanted to get the negotiated settlement here.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  I'm gonna get bad press, I know that. Now, if I did the opposite, if I went out and continued to bomb them for another four, just bomb the hell out of them, I'd get bad press on that. No, there's nothing I can do. But what this does is it allows the ships to go. If we keep bombing, those ships won't be going. And you're talking about 500, 600, 700 million dollars a day. It's a lot of money, a lot of money. That's why the world is okay, it's liquid, it's fine. Also, we run out of reserves in about four weeks. You know, there are reserves all over the world, and we would really run out. And there'll be a time when you wouldn't be able to get it, and you wanna see bedlam? So for all those so-called geniuses that wanna show me how smart they are,

• 10:05Speaker 01

  ask them, "Why didn't they blow up General Soleimani?"

• 10:08Tom Bilyeu?

  The thing that I find really interesting here, and is classic Trump, is that

• 10:14Tom Bilyeu?

  the part that people wanna understand is, if you didn't have the leverage, then why go in and do this? And whenever you're in a situation like this, it all comes down to something that Trump himself repeats endlessly, which is, who holds the cards? The thing that I think everybody is missing, and I was live yesterday with Mario Noiffel, and even in that conversation, I think he's very, very shrewd from an international politics perspective. He said something to me in the interview, which was, okay, well, let's set aside the theocracy of it all. And I was like, well, that would be the one thing you can't do. So when one of you is thinking purely from a rational economic standpoint, and you're talking to all your partners and your allies around the world, and you're thinking

• 10:59Tom Bilyeu?

  about the stock market, and you're thinking about what's good from an energy perspective, you don't want Bedlam to break loose, and then the other side is perfectly happy to accept their rewards, in heaven, you're going to be in a very different negotiating position.

• 11:14Tom Bilyeu?

  When he says, who wants to see Bedlam? Iran. Iran would like to see Bedlam, because it puts them in a better position. And so, all of this, if you can force the issue, if you can force the Strait of Hormuz to stay open, then you can act like this. You can go in and say, look, we're gonna get a deal done. If we don't get a deal done, we're gonna blow a bunch more of their shit up. We're gonna open the strait by force, and we're gonna send the oil through. Cool. If you can do that, you're in control. They tried that. It didn't work. They're not in control. So now you're in a position where you don't control Israel as much as you'd like to think that you do. You certainly don't control Hezbollah. You don't control Iran, and therefore, you don't control the Strait of Hormuz. And if

• 11:57Tom Bilyeu?

  you don't control the Strait of Hormuz, all of the telegraphing that you just did about exactly what's going to happen if the petroleum reserves run out, oh, and they are running out, you literally just said, they're gonna run out in four weeks. So, it's not that Iran didn't already know that, PS, by the way. And so, they're thinking, yeah, we're either going to get what we want, which a big part of what we want is, you're going to get your blockade out of here. You're gonna stop meddling in our affairs. You're gonna release a bunch of our funds. And you're going to get Israel out of Lebanon. And if you don't do any one of those things, then we're gonna pull out. Now, again, if I'm right, and the mental model of them is best understood as delay this as long as we can.

• 12:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Because what Iran wants is regime change in America. They wanna see Trump out of office. And they are perfectly willing to stall and drag this out and let there be economic bedlam around the world. As countries begin to truly run out of their strategic reserves. So that they're in a better negotiating perspective. Now, Trump goes out of office if, obviously at the end of his term. He'll get impeached if the economy in the US is going down. The same thing does not apply to the Iranians. So if the economy remains in shambles in Iran, they will kill the people that try to rise up. Okay, it is a very different ballgame.

• 13:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, that does not mean to insinuate that they don't have their own internal pressures. They do, and it's possible that those internal pressures come to bear more in a period where the US isn't attacking them. Than it comes to bear if we're not attacking them. So from their perspective, they're gonna be quick to play that chip that brings the mayhem back. Because that's more likely to keep them in power. And it puts them in a stronger position because they are willing to let their people suffer. They do have the ability to go to their people and say, hey, to all the true believers, remember, we are doing God's will. We have already backed down the superpower on the world stage. We will continue doing it.

• 14:10Tom Bilyeu?

  You've just gotta like tighten the belt for a little bit longer and we're gonna get the, on the other side of this. And if you don't, don't worry, we'll just kill you until you're in the right position. Trump does not have that luxury. Thank God. So we're in a totally different position than Iran is. But Trump keeps acting like they're going to act like a rational actor. It seems self-evident to me. The, when you read the MOU, which if you guys haven't, read it, it's mind-numbing. It's super vague. And all it says is, we're gonna talk about some shit down the road. That's it. And so, reading that, knowing that they were forcing Trump to take responsibility

• 14:53Tom Bilyeu?

  for what Israel is doing, was like, this is not a deal that is designed to get across the finish line. This is designed to be a deal that says, "You will give me everything I want, or I'm just gonna throw us back into the chaos, which I can afford a lot more than you." So, yeah, this to me just seemed like it was set up for failure from the jump. So, here we are. It has failed, literally, before we could go from Wednesday to Friday, it went together and then fell right back apart. It's wild. So, yeah, I would not expect anything positive to come out of this anytime soon. And it's gonna be a whole lot of back and forth. There's gonna be a ton of international pressure on the US.

• 15:35Tom Bilyeu?

  And we've already tried sanctioning Iran into oblivion, and it hasn't worked. So, now the question becomes, as we get closer to the midterms, is Trump more or less likely to push the issue of going back to kinetic strikes on Iran? And I think that the answer is, he's going to become less and less likely. So, this might be sort of the final window, where if he's really going to push the advantage, that he's got a bit of a shot, because he could still lick his wounds and recoup if he can get something done. I just don't expect him to be able to use violence to reopen the strait.

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• 19:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  Well, sitting on that midterm thing for a second. I mean, our Kaushe deal of the week is kind of talking about, you know, when is the traffic of the, at the Strait of Hormuz going to actually return to normal? And I think like you've said since the beginning.

• 19:57Tom Bilyeu?

  What's the?

• 19:58Speaker 02

  Oh, right now the stats are looking like everything is before the midterm. So we've got before October 1st, before September 1st and before August 1st. You'll see the chart here in a minute, but basically a lot of people are thinking that this deal is not going to happen up until October at the absolute latest. Which, you know, makes sense. You need something to happen right before the midterms, you know, put that Band-Aid on the bullet hole. And I think it's like you've said from the get-go, the Strait of Hormuz is the central. I guess, I don't know if this is the right term, but like the latchkey of this whole situation, I feel like.

• 20:28Tom Bilyeu?

  It's the keystone, that's for sure. The, the catch is that it is a very different, it's asymmetric. So what? The reason that this moment is going to go down in history is because what we're watching unfold is an awakening to the fact that the US is incapable of making good on the promise that they have made to the world. It's like the world has called our bluff. What was the promise? That the US will police the seas, that as a hegemony, we can enforce law everywhere around the world. And so when the freedom-loving country that's focused on economics and commerce

• 21:11Tom Bilyeu?

  has the biggest military in the world and everybody believes in its power. Okay, let that part sit is this gigantic thought bubble over this whole thing. Everyone believes in the power of the United States to pull this off. Then people act in accordance. Once you start losing that belief and around the world, people think, I'm not so sure that you can do this. Then people start taking shots to see like, where are we at? And so if you're going to actually get in the ring and show that you can really fight. So think of somebody like Conor McGregor. Conor McGregor tries to win the fight before he ever gets there. So he spends all the time trash talking, trying to get inside the person's head, all of that.

• 21:56Tom Bilyeu?

  So that he beats them before they step in the ring because they don't have the confidence. But then eventually you get to the point in his career where now he gets his ass handed to him by a fighter who I cannot believe I'm blanking on his name right now. But when he got beat in such handy fashion. And by the way, Ryan, if you remember said fighter's name from, Eric, you must know, did Eric? Eric, just lock off.

• 22:19Speaker 02

  Which fighter are you talking about?

• 22:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Khabib, thank you. So Khabib beats Conor's ass handily. Now all of a sudden it's like, oh, wait a second. He isn't unbeatable. This happened to the British Empire with the Suez Canal. It now has happened to the US with the Strait of Hormuz. Where all of a sudden it's like, oh shit. They, it's not that they're not still powerful, but they clearly aren't invincible. And so that's going to certainly embolden the Iranians. It obviously already has. And it comes down to that ability to do it asymmetrically. They do not have to win the war in order to close the Strait of Hormuz. And as long as they can close the Strait of Hormuz, then they get the result that they want in terms of who's in control of the negotiations.

• 23:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Trump tipped his hand, I think because he thought that the deal was actually going. To go forward, which is insane. I don't know how he could have thought that. So he's telling everybody, basically, we're on this really limited time clock. This is going to run down. We're going to run out of strategic reserves. There would be bedlam around the world. We don't want to see that. So we've got to get a deal done. So now the Iranians know you're desperate in a way that they're not. It's, yeah, not good, not good.

• 23:27Speaker 02

  Going off of wars, I mean, this is kind of jumping to a different front, but we look at what's happening in Russia right now. That's something I wouldn't have imagined as happening years ago when that war first started, right? I mean, like, we're seeing a lot of changing ties.

• 23:40Tom Bilyeu?

  That Ukraine would be able to stand up?

• 23:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, this is the first time it feels like Russia's really gotten pummeled. Like, we're seeing now we have the Iran war. Iran basically has beat the US. I think we can kind of, like, frame it that way. But then looking now, we see Ukraine kind of doing a similar thing over in Russia, I feel like.

• 23:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I think these are very different topics, so let's be careful to tease them out. So on the one side, you've got a war that is playing out in the global economy. And so now it becomes a question of, there's just a physical logistical thing. Can I get the oil that supplies the world through this one little choke point? That we're seeing in a very simple, very asymmetric way. You can drop a few mines in, you scare the insurance companies, and now the strait is effectively closed. Okay, in the Russia-Ukraine war, what you're seeing is Russia has shown, we're not the army that we used to be. We're not able to just bowl over Ukrainians.

• 24:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Ukrainians now have used that time to get better and better at fighting a new style of warfare using drones. They have certainly matched the capabilities of Russia. But the most interesting point, for anybody that's been paying attention to this, you know that for years now, it's been like, sort of, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. Yeah, they're like, holding them, but like, it's, neither side is really making any progress. And it's like, how many, Russia maybe could survive a lot more death than Ukraine can. Now, all of a sudden, in the last few weeks, there's been a total change in tenor. And so the question becomes, why has there been a change in the tenor?

• 25:22Tom Bilyeu?

  And the answer to that question is that, as we heard from Macron at the G7, that they have all decided that they're going to back what's happening with Ukraine, that they're going to get behind Ukraine. They have tried and tried and tried to get Russia to come to the negotiating table. Russia has shown no interest in actually making good on peace. He says he is. I mean, this is similar in many ways to what's going on with the, in Iran, where Iran will be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, we want to negotiate. Yeah, no, for sure, we want to see this open back up. But then their actions don't match that. Russia, same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, want peace, want to get this done.

• 26:02Tom Bilyeu?

  We're ready, war's almost over, only to then keep bombing Ukraine. Now, you're seeing that Europe is getting behind Ukraine, which is giving them the power that they need to actually drive back into Russia. And all of a sudden, in a matter of weeks, it looks like things have changed. So this is where allies coming together and acting as one is actually getting something done. But very similar sense, but reversed. So the little guy, Ukraine, is getting the help of the big guy, the EU, whereas the US is not getting the help of its allies as the big guy.

• 26:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, that's not me saying that you've got the allies coming to Iran's aid that you do not have. But seeing that, seeing how when you have asymmetric warfare already, a little guy could do a lot of damage with some drones, and then you've got all the muscle and money coming in from the EU to fund said little guy. So now, not only does Ukraine only have to play from an asymmetric standpoint, they don't have to have a military the size of Russia, they don't have to have the same number of bodies as Russia, they just have to get very good at these small drones, which now they are. So it's...

• 27:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Interesting to watch two very different things play out. We see the weakening of a superpower that's unable to overcome asymmetric warfare. And now we see a little guy, when fueled by the might of the EU, being able to leverage asymmetric warfare to tremendous and massive effect. And it feels like there's a total shift in the war between Ukraine and Russia. All right, so Zelensky just straight up says, I've got a new message for the Kremlin. Unless Putin stops the war, Moscow will burn. And this week, he's really started making good on that. We've got a bunch of footage on this. So if you guys haven't seen this yet, you gotta check this out. So let's look at this one.

• 28:06Tom Bilyeu?

  This like montage, if you guys are looking at your screen, there are so many different sights that Ukraine has been able to target in Russia. It's really crazy. Just literally watching these drones come in. And if you guys have seen the footage of the, um, there's like a oil refinery that gets hit by a rocket, blows up, sends like the lid flying sky high. That ironically was actually the Russians scoring an own goal. That was their own missile that struck it. Let me see if I can pull that footage up.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  If you had told me this was happening in 2022, I would have called you crazy just because of how underpowered at that point Ukraine was against Russians, uh, Russia's invasion.

• 28:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, well, so this one, we, we need to understand that this is actually a surface to air missile fired by the Russians, presumably at a small drone, and it causes this massive explosion. So, uh, if you watch this here from the beginning, I'll replay it. Okay, that was that lid that you see flying in the air, that gigantic lid, comes from the Russians trying to stop a drone. So shooting one of their own anti-drone missiles, which are much larger than the drones themselves. And that's the thing that ended up sending that flying. There was even these, uh, see if I, yeah, okay, you gotta see this one. So this is two Russian guys in their car.

• 29:32Tom Bilyeu?

  They just pull over and watch some of this transpiring. And if you're not looking at your phone, at one point, they say that this is like Call of Duty.

• 29:42Speaker 03

  Ибаться в рот! Это эпично нахуй!

• 29:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, this is epic.

• 29:48Speaker 03

  Да да да!

• 29:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Literally.

• 29:50Speaker 03

  Да я попал да!

• 29:54Tom Bilyeu?

  This is Russians laughing, brother.

• 29:55Speaker 03

  Я уже умру! Садоводы нахуй! Садоводы да!

• 29:58Tom Bilyeu?

  As their own city is being attacked, which is wild. Now, there's reports coming out of Russia that the sentiment inside of Russia is now changing, as you can imagine. When you look out your window and you see Russia on fire, you see that Ukraine is able to strike within your own city. Man, it's not gonna take too many weeks of them picking things off, whether it's the oil infrastructure, which, look, it can look a lot worse than it is. You might take out 10 or 20% of a refinery. But if you're taking 10 or 20% out every time you strike it, and some very meaningful percentage of your drones are actually getting through, we're talking, I don't know, 20% of their drones?

• 30:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, it's clear that Russia is not able to stop them, just as Ukraine is not able to stop all of the drone attacks that they're getting. So, this is, to me, this is a major shift in the war between these two countries. Now, here's where it gets complicated for Russia. Russia is in a position where Putin, if the reports can be believed, he's more and more isolated, he has less and less trust. One of their generals recently slipped and fell out of a, like, 10-story window. Oh, whoopsie. Crazy how many Russians slip and fall out of high windows. How wild is that? Put up security barriers, everybody! Oh, unless, of course, you're being thrown,

• 31:28Tom Bilyeu?

  like the, what was it, the Brazilian jumper? With no bungee cable? That shit was wild, I didn't wanna show the footage, but holy hell if you guys missed that one. What a treat! So, yeah, you've got all kinds of paranoia oozing off of Putin, who doesn't know who he can trust. He's killing members of his own military because things are not going well for him. And so, you've got a guy locked in paranoia that is now being struck day after day on his own soil. And so, at what point does his military turn on him? So... If you guys know the history of Stalin in World War II, I want you to imagine you send an unimaginable number of people to die on the front lines to fight for the homeland.

• 32:13Tom Bilyeu?

  And when they return from prisoner of war camps, they're then put in the gulags because you can no longer trust them. You don't know if they've been flipped by the enemy and been sent back as spies. So your returning heroes are put in the most unimaginably horrific prison conditions by the country that sent them to fight and die. And so there's a lot of talk now about what is Putin gonna do? He's already paranoid. He's already killing members of his own military. If the war ends and not in a victory, it ends in a negotiated settlement. And those guys come back and start asking very uncomfortable questions of what exactly was this war for? Why the fuck did we do that?

• 32:58Tom Bilyeu?

  You've got some delusion of you want to reunify the Soviet Union. And you're sending us out to die for something that we never needed to die for. And you've made life worse here. And if he repeats the sins of the past and actually starts locking up his military, people are gonna go nuts. So Zelensky, for one, is anticipating Putin to try to find some other war that he can send the military back out on just so that they don't end up causing trouble within his own country. So now the incentive structure, when you've got this very isolated, very paranoid,

• 33:38Tom Bilyeu?

  territorially acquisitive dictator who's afraid of his own military, that he's going to just point them at another target. And certainly right now, Europe is giving them reason to. So this is one of those escalatory spirals that we have to be very careful about. If I'm Ukraine, I do the exact same thing. And I tell them, look, come to the negotiating table, or we're going to keep striking you. There's nothing else you can do. You can't be weak in the face of this. But again, when a regime, whether it's the Iranian regime or the

• 34:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Russian regime, when they believe that they are a caged animal that's being backed into a corner, and they don't have other options, do not expect them to be rational economic actors. They're not going to be. And as far as I can tell, Trump has a very hard time of mentally mapping anybody that doesn't act like a hyper rational economic actor. And I think that we have wars playing out with two countries that do not have that same incentive structure. Because a loss in the war could mean that they get the betrayal treatment, that they are drug from their palaces by their own people and killed. So, yeah, don't expect Putin to go quietly. He is going to need a narrative of how this was a victory

• 34:55Tom Bilyeu?

  in a way that doesn't turn his own military against him. So I think this is going to get weirder long before it gets better.

• 35:03Tom Bilyeu?

  We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead, so don't go anywhere.

• 35:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.

• 35:13Speaker 02

  And it is fascinating that both of these wars ended up in the conversation together at the beginning of the show, just because when you look at the similarities. I mean, we look at Putin and we look at Netanyahu. We've got two individuals looking to basically take over their entire region, and they're getting all the help they can where they can, and they're continuing that war until they achieve that goal. Like Putin's pushing the goalposts. We have Israel trying to attack Lebanon. It's almost like we have these two people, or these two countries. I don't want to indict the whole country, but these two people just hungry for power, not stopping by any means necessary.

• 35:47Tom Bilyeu?

  You have a very different read on this than I have. Okay, so let's talk about the Greater Israel Project as compared to the reunification of the USSR. So you have Trump, not Trump, sorry, you have Putin. Putin's saying, okay, the greatest tragedy of the 20th century was the dissolution of the USSR. You can feel in his movements that he's essentially trying to bring it all back together.

• 36:14Tom Bilyeu?

  He is the aggressor. And I think that's a place where everybody is like, that one's clean. He didn't need to go into Crimea. He didn't need to go into Ukraine, Georgia. Like, he chose acts of aggression. Now, yeah, I think it's a very reasonable argument to say. NATO fucked with this guy endlessly and gave him a reason to say, "Well, I'm doing this because you guys won't back off." And you keep encroaching and pushing and sanctioning and I'm not going to tolerate it anymore. I'm going to make a move. Okay. I don't think that's unreasonable. It certainly wasn't unprovoked. Now you go to Israel. Anybody that wants me to believe that Israel committed a crime

• 37:00Tom Bilyeu?

  when they imported a bunch of people into the region, knowing that they would gain political power, economic power, and that they would then be able to displace people in the region like they did with people that we now call Palestinians? I can buy that. It's the same reason I have beef with unchecked immigration now. I'm like, "If you're going to be consistent and you say, 'Hey, I really don't like that Israel became a state,' but then I'm totally fine with all the immigration going into Europe."

• 37:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Especially if you think of Islam as a state and not just a religion, right? So the whole idea of a caliphate, right? It's this, you want to make the Islamic state as big as you can. Not all Muslims, you have to be very careful to delineate secular Muslims from people who want an Islamic state, but there are plenty of people that want an Islamic state. And if you're like, "I have beef with the Israelis having done that, and I now have beef with the people that are trying to push an Islamic state." Cool, you're being consistent. All right, so that, that crime, I can get. I get why people have beef with that. That's so long ago, that ship has sailed. So Israel is a country. In the same way that if the Cypriot Greeks invaded northern Cyprus,

• 38:17Tom Bilyeu?

  I'd be like, "What the fuck are you doing? You lost. It is now what it is. And unless you're prepared to go to total warfare and actually take on Turkey, like, what the fuck are you thinking? That's asinine." So anybody that's giving Israel...

• 38:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Beef over Israel. Uh, that to me is like, that, that is a debate where let's abstract it. Let's talk about Cyprus. So I can just see like, is this a thing where you're just a, you've got the Israeli mind virus? Or are you actually thinking through like? A country was invaded, they lost, whether by immigration or force, they lost. And now that country exists. And how do we think people should address a country that exists? That's how I would approach that. So I've just made my feelings clear on Cyprus, even though that literally touches my actual family who lost property in Cyprus when it happened, they are still alive. This is not something that happened forever ago.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  I didn't know you had family from Cyprus.

• 39:17Tom Bilyeu?

  My wife has family from Cyprus. That makes them, my family is precisely what I'm referring to. Okay. So if I want to sit around a dinner table and see somebody burst into tears over the things that they lost, that is very easy for me to do and have done multiple times. So it's like, that's like a living thing within my extended family. Cool. Nonetheless, from a policy perspective, it's nonsensical. That country exists, it has existed for a while. All right. Now you've got Israel. Israel's not super clean because there is a real movement for a greater Israel project. However, the question for me, where everybody is going to break along the lines of divide is, do you think that Israel would just chill?

• 40:02Tom Bilyeu?

  If nobody were trying to attack and bomb them, would they chill the fuck out? So that comes down to your read on when they backed out of, uh, the situation in, um, the Gaza Strip and they took everybody out and they were like, hey, are we good now? And then it still did not, um, yield any sort of peace. That's where all of that gets messy. That then triggers Israel to be like, all right, well, fuck you. If that's not going to get everybody to calm down, we're just going to take this whole bitch over. Now that does not, I think, represent all of Israelis. I think that would be a very unfair read, but it's a real thing. So that's where it's like, okay, how do you deal with that?

• 40:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Now Ben Gavir, literally last night or today, posted, I don't think I grabbed it. I might have if somebody wants to look in the doc, but. He said, "The only way to deal with the Middle East is to fucking overwhelm your enemy." And so, I think this is a paraphrase, but it's gonna get very close. For every one mother that weeps over a dead Israeli, 10 Lebanese women need to weep over a dead Hezbollah member. Something like that. That's very directionally close, if it's not exactly accurate. So, that's where this whole thing just gets so fucking muddy. Is what is the right response?

• 41:26Tom Bilyeu?

  If people keep attacking you, at what point do you go on the offensive? And at what point did Israel, if they have, lost the right to push back? And that's where that whole debate just becomes a whole fucking weird thing. It's like, some people are gonna be like, "No, Israel's the total aggressor."

• 41:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Other people are gonna be like, "Bro, if you didn't keep provoking them, they wouldn't keep pushing." Whereas Russia moved without violence. Now, you could say they were provoked in a diplomatic way, but they weren't provoked in a violence way. And that, to me, becomes the big differentiator between how I see Putin acting and how I see Israel acting, though I fully acknowledge there are some people that would very much like to just be territorially acquisitive and take the whole thing over. I'm certainly not blind to that.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  I found your quote, by the way, if you wanted to.

• 42:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, please.

• 42:17Speaker 02

  So, the quote he said was, "For every tier..."

• 42:19Tom Bilyeu?

  This is Ben Gavir.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  Yes, this is Ben Gavir, Israeli National Secretary Minister, for chat who doesn't know. "For every tier of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. All of Lebanon must burn." That's the direct quote.

• 42:30Tom Bilyeu?

  That's...

• 42:31Speaker 02

  And...

• 42:31Tom Bilyeu?

  That's violent.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  I guess where I fall on...

• 42:33Tom Bilyeu?

  I would not expect anybody to be like, "Yeah, word."

• 42:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I guess where I fall on this with the difference between Putin and Israel, or Netanyahu... And admittedly, I don't know enough about like Russian history or Putin's, you know, run as because he's been leader since the 90s, right? Or earlier, maybe even?

• 42:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Putin?

• 42:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, 90s. Yeah. But like, when I look at Israel, Netanyahu or not, every prime minister, every PM of Israel, since 1948 with the Nakba, has had this mentality of anyone who isn't Israeli in this area, we gotta control, right? And that's kind of how I've always looked at it.

• 43:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Or not?

• 43:08Speaker 02

  What's up?

• 43:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Are they right or not?

• 43:10Speaker 02

  Not right. Not right at all. I mean, I think-

• 43:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Are you talking morally or are you talking militarily?

• 43:15Speaker 02

  Militarily, in what way? Like, winning the, winning the fight, or?

• 43:18Tom Bilyeu?

  The way that I look at Israel is morality is not on their side, but might and being able to defend yourself is on their side.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  Would you say, because I agree with that, but what, what do you think the, the cause of that is? Like, in terms of might? Because to me, I think it's the USA. Like, we fund a lot of Israel's military, the IDF trains our police officers, like that kind of stuff. What, where do you kind of feel they're getting their might from? Do you think it's a internal, they've created that power for themselves? Or do you think it's help from allies, kind of in the way we're helping Ukraine?

• 43:53Tom Bilyeu?

  That's a really, that's a really big question. So you and I are, right now, we're slightly two ships passing in the night. So let me, I'll lay all of my base assumptions down, so you know which one to go after.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 44:03Tom Bilyeu?

  So my base assumptions of Israel go something like this. Hey, we're being killed the world over, and we can certainly have a debate about what do they do that bring that upon themselves. I've given my answer a thousand times. If you're wise, you're gonna go after making sure that you're at the top of the heap economically, that you understand it, you can control as much of it as you can. I don't fault anybody for that. Like, that's just smart. But they have culturally reinforced something that makes them, wherever they are in the world, they try to really get to the important places of power and do very well there. Then in times of economic distress, everybody turns on them pogroms.

• 44:42Tom Bilyeu?

  They've just been hated and persecuted the world over. So that, you're in the middle of that, you obviously have World War II, industrial strength, murder of Jews. Alright, so they're like, alright, fuck this. Like, we're gonna get our own homeland and we are going to be-

• 45:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Smart. And what we're going to do is we're going to use immigration and we're gonna, we're gonna display weakness in the beginning. This is just, we, we have to do this. This isn't because we have grand ambitions. We just need, they need to go somewhere. We would have gone to America if you'd let us, but you wouldn't let us, which is true.

• 45:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:21Tom Bilyeu?

  So now we're going to return to the quote unquote homeland. It's a great narrative. Many Jews from a genetic standpoint have no connection to that land whatsoever. Uh, but America owns a land to which they have no genetic connection to whatsoever. So to me, that's not much of an argument, but they end up bringing through immigration during, you know, a time when it's a, it's, it's not a Palestinian state. It's the Ottoman Empire, followed by the British Empire. So you go to the British Empire for whom you have incredible political connections with.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  This is immediately after World War II.

• 45:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  Timeline wise.

• 45:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, timeline wise, this sort of gets muddled. Some of this is before, some of this is after.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  Cause it's like that five year gap before they became Israel, right?

• 46:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, I, it, it goes on for much longer than I think any of us are comfortable with in terms of the Rothschilds and pushing for, we need somewhere buttering up the British Empire with where's it going to be? So, and this is where, um, I have the big swags. I do not have like the detailed timelines and things like that, that a lot of people will have more data. So I'm trying to get to big philosophical ideas because every time I drill into the like specifics of it, I never think this changes anything.

• 46:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:34Tom Bilyeu?

  It's just big swags. You have, they are leveraging their connections with the British Empire in order to get this, uh, to get the immigration running. They bring enough people in, they get to the point where now, okay, we've got enough economic might, enough political might that we can get a state, they get a state, uh, and. Obviously, at that point, all hell breaks loose. Now, what I'm trying to drive us to is you've got a state. Whether people agree should have a state, shouldn't have a state. If if we were arguing this like immediately after World War Two, I'd be like, OK, yeah, there's something to argue about. But this is eighty years later. Like, to me, base assumption, if you want to attack,

• 47:18Tom Bilyeu?

  my base assumption, that's a done fucking deal. Like, if you need me to put a hard and fast date fifty years. Yeah. Like, once you've been fifty years, shut the fuck up. I don't even want to hear about it. They're a state. Move on. You're you as the person who lost your territory. You are now making life for us for your kids. Because you can't just fucking move on. You're you're hung up on. Yeah. The past. Dude, like, I will point people to Japan. Japan is one of the greatest stories of we lost, we got occupied, and we completely imbibed the culture in ways that matter. They're still very uniquely Japanese. But they are not like they were before. So they become this modified version, a westernized version

• 48:01Tom Bilyeu?

  of the Japanese culture so effectively that they are now one of the biggest economies on planet Earth, punching way the fuck above their weight. And. Japan. Yeah, Japan. And at the height of their power, they were rivaling America to the point where America got terrified and had to just completely like fuck Japan up. Not to derail on that. Yeah. The point being, they get there because they just stopped looking backwards. And they're like, yeah, we lost. And we're just going to rebuild looking forward. And so they don't go, America owes us reparations for blowing us up and all that shit. They don't build a military.

• 48:44Tom Bilyeu?

  In fact, the US won't let them build a military. So they're just like, all right, well, we're going to do it this way. And they do something extraordinary. Okay, now back to Israel. So you've got Israel and Palestine making very different fucking choices. So there's so much seething anger that it's like, nope, I don't care 100 years, 200 years, doesn't matter. I'm gonna keep fighting. This is unjust. One argument that I hear is, no, no, no, but if you talk to Palestinians, you would hear how they long for their homeland. Yeah, I get it. It's still nonsensical. So.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  Wait, what's nonsensical?

• 49:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Them, them being like, you have to let me back into the country. You've got to let me right of return.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Wait, into Israel?

• 49:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes. Right of return is a whole big fucking thing. If you don't know about right of return, like this is a huge part of this.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  No, no, but I'm asking specifically which lands, like are we?

• 49:33Tom Bilyeu?

  But hold on, you laid something down.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Which was, um, you, I can't believe that they're trying to have control over everybody in the region. And I'm saying, but that's smart. So I'm trying.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, war wise, that is smart. Like, yeah, from a war perspective, yeah.

• 49:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Part of this whole drama is why the fuck is Israel so hardcore? And I would say Israel is so hardcore because if you let people leverage the right of return, they're going to run the same playbook in reverse. And they will get as many Palestinians as they can in there that identify politically with fuck Israel. And they'll just outvote them and they will use that system against Israel. And by the way, if I were advising the Palestinians, I'd be like, guys, really push this right of return thing. Make sure that you can get enough people inside the country that you can outvote them. Fuck those kids. Right? Like that would be the advice to the Palestinians. So if you're Israeli, are you supposed to pretend that that's not a thing? So it's like, yep, what, what does that equal apartheid? Cool.

• 50:31Tom Bilyeu?

  So out of a survival mechanism, you have apartheid. Now I'm well aware of all the arguments that are like, bro, bro, bro, it's not how it played out in South Africa. And so, um, that's not how it's going to play out here. And then I will say, this is about religion. And so that makes it a totally different fucking ballgame. So they believe that God is saying, we must have this land back. And that's where I'm like, hey, when somebody is like, I'm perfectly fine to get my rewards in the afterlife. They're just playing a totally different game. So, boy, I'm like, I can only imagine what's happening in the comments right now, but-

• 51:05Speaker 02

  Honestly, it's not been, no one's really been-

• 51:07Tom Bilyeu?

  That is shocking.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  I, I think we're having a good conversation about this. I think it's a good dialogue of like, this is how-

• 51:14Tom Bilyeu?

  God bless us.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  -everyone sees this thing. Um, but like, back to my original question, if I'm putting everything you just said in a stew-

• 51:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 51:20Speaker 02

  Um, so you would say Israel's come up is not of its own, but of the support of other countries?

• 51:25Tom Bilyeu?

  I didn't say that at all, but thank you for reminding me-

• 51:28Speaker 02

  Well, cause you mentioned the British Empire. That's why I guess where my question is, cause you were saying they went to the British Empire.

• 51:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's paint the most nefarious version of that possible.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 51:35Tom Bilyeu?

  So, um, read Neil Ferguson's book, uh, I think it's called The Rothschilds. It's about the Rothschilds, whether it's called that or not. In that book, um, I think it's Nathan. I always forget the fucking names of these guys.

• 51:50Speaker 02

  This is the one about the boat with-

• 51:51Tom Bilyeu?

  The, the dad, the boat.

• 51:52Speaker 02

  Didn't, didn't the Rothschilds, like the main dad, didn't he go missing with the whole boat? And it was like, who killed him? Probably the Israelis and they held the funeral-

• 52:01Tom Bilyeu?

  His son or something.

• 52:01Speaker 02

  Or am I thinking of a different rich person?

• 52:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, maybe a different rich person. There's all kinds of rumors around the Titanic and stuff like that, where the only guys going against the central banks were on the Titanic, which is fucking crazy. But to not derail, so the OG father Rothschild, who I'm sure someone in the comments remembers, if it's Nathan, I think it's Nathan, but that might be the brother who goes to England anyway. Uh, Father Rothschild, who kicks all this off, sends his five sons to the biggest cities around Europe at the time, and says very explicitly, "You must befriend politicians." And the relationship between banking and politicians basically give you all the control in the world.

• 52:44Tom Bilyeu?

  So, the reason, um, that when Palestine actually gets the state, the letter is written to the Rothschild, whichever one it was in England, uh, is because like, bro, he's funding so much of what's going on in the UK. So I will certainly forgive anybody that's like, get money the fuck out of politics. I'm wildly desirous of the same thing. But nonetheless, it is a very wise and strategic play that I would expect everybody to run, which is, uh, get politically powerful, get economically powerful.

• 53:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Because you're gonna be able to get the things you want. So this is me painting the nefarious version. So you've got all these politicians in the pocket of the Rothschild because they've got just so much fucking money. And they're like, no, no, no, I really want this state of Israel to happen. Now, there's a really great story, cover story of like, they're being persecuted everywhere. They need a place to call home. This is their ancestral land. Let them go back. Yeah, cool. Like, why not? Like, these guys are, you know, they have done so much for us. Um, let's help them out to get a state. Nobody yet understands the collision between the Palestinians and the Jews. Um, and so it's like, yeah, cool. We'll just draw a line and we'll say, you've got your state,

• 54:00Tom Bilyeu?

  they've got their state. Again, not understanding the theocracy of it all. They don't understand that, um, if I'm not mistaken, there is a literal doctrine that says if a Muslim has ever owned that land, it must be reclaimed. If I'm getting that wrong, please, by all means.

• 54:16Speaker 02

  I think it's there. I don't know if that's original text, or if it's one of those things like when Christianity added homosexuality to the Bible kind of thing, if that makes sense.

• 54:25Tom Bilyeu?

  It does. But in Islam, if I'm not mistaken, you've got the Quran and you've got the Hadiths, which is if it basically if Muhammad didn't say it, it doesn't fucking exist. And if he did say it, it's real. Uh, but there are three beats in his life. One as a religious leader, which is like, ironically, where he's at his most tolerant. Then there's him as a political leader. Then there's him as a warlord. And it's like, so you can sort of pick and choose. If you want to say religion apiece, you just talk the early stuff. Uh, if you want to know how to live your life, then it's like him as a politician actually trying to push policy. And if you want to kill all the infidels, then you go to the warlord section.

• 55:03Speaker 02

  It's the phases.

• 55:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. But the bad news is, I mean, this is why everybody's talking about what's going to be the Reformation, because Christianity just has as much crazy shit in it. It's just that we actually went through the Reformation. So the people alive today are not hitting on those beats. Instead, you've got a pope who's like, no, we should be chill with gay people. So it's. If Islam was like, no, no, no, the Imams can actually contradict the book. You'd be in a much better position because then you could get people like, okay, no, what he really meant was. But anyway, so without derailing on that, okay, so going back, painting nefarious version of how Israel comes into existence.

• 55:46Tom Bilyeu?

  You've got that big money play, political power based on money, you get it to start. Again, I understand why anybody would have real beef with that, but now you've got Israel. Israel is now under attack because people feel some type of way about the creation of that state. It feels like they stole their land and all these years later, they're just not moving forward. Read number one, well, they're not moving forward asshole because they've created an open air prison. And how the fuck are they supposed to move on now? I've painted my picture of how they could and should as of today move on. But nothing tells me that they're actually going to take it because that's a very Western notion where I'm like,

• 56:30Tom Bilyeu?

  bro, I, I need my just desserts in this lifetime. So I get it, they're not going to take my advice. My advice will sound nonsensical, my advice will sound like an affront to God. So I get why they're not going to do that. But nonetheless, is still what I think ought to happen. Because I think people ought to orient themselves to how do I make sure that my kid's life is better here on earth? Is better than my life? Okay, so if they feel some type of way and they're never going to let it go. And you know that they will run either a just, I'm going to kill enough people that you guys get the fuck out. I'm going to run a PR strategy to make the rest of the world hate you. To your point about where do they get their power?

• 57:10Tom Bilyeu?

  If they're buying weapons from the US, if the US is giving them money to buy those weapons. It's like, oh, I'm going to cut those off and I'm going to bang on about right of return, which has been reaffirmed by the UN like 187 times or some crazy fucking number. And so, yeah, I, I've got all my bases covered, but bitch, I'm coming for Israel. Now, if anybody thinks that if. It was a one for one vote and Palestinians had the right of return. That Israel would still exist in the way that we think of it now, they're crazy, like that's delusional. So you're living in a world that isn't real in the same way that I accept. That Palestinians are never going to take my fucking advice because they see it as an affront to God.

• 57:53Tom Bilyeu?

  The Israelis are never going to do that because you're letting people in who believe you stole the land. They're going to outvote you and boot you the fuck out. So it's like, what are we even talking about? So now I believe Israel has a moral obligation to protect their citizens. Do I think that they go so far that they lose the moral upper hand? Yes, I do. But nonetheless, they've got to find some way to not get outvoted. And if your best argument against that is, but Tom, these guys are running a religious ethno-state. Yeah. And? Like, give me the punchline. They ought not do that, they should instead run a suicide pact? Nope, that doesn't make sense.

• 58:34Tom Bilyeu?

  So it's like, it's an unfortunate protective mechanism, but I don't see a way around that.

• 58:39Speaker 02

  I think, and then we probably should jump to the UK after this, but I think the ought for most people. And chat, let me know if I'm speaking for you guys wrong. Um, I think the ought for most people is not. Israel shouldn't be an ethno-state, I mean, it depends where you fall on that. It, I think the ought is leave other people alone around you, right? Like when we look at Palestine, all we're seeing is Israel pummeling this population of people.

• 59:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Tell me which part is them not leaving people alone? So you're okay with the apartheid state, meaning?

• 59:10Speaker 02

  Personally, no, I'm speaking on everyone else, though. Like, the general consensus of the public is we should have a two-state solution. Israel should be a state, leave everyone else alone, stop trying to take everyone over. Palestine should be a state. Palestine, I think, is universally accepted a state, it's one of the 195. So I, I guess I'm more saying the overarching consensus of the world is the two-state solution. Which is leave everyone else alone.

• 59:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I think that that doesn't survive contact with the actual debate. The actual debate goes something like this. Palestine has been offered a state many, many, many times and they reject it every time.

• 59:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Every now and then, you'll get someone to be like, no, no, no, we'll go back to like whatever 1968 borders. And again, I'm like, bro, those borders were a long time ago. So I'm not sure that you've got any leg to stand on getting Israel, who can defend their borders. To give up more land. Then the debate becomes, okay, well, when they pulled out of the Gaza Strip, why didn't everybody chill the fuck out? Why did they still go on the attack? And so that's where it gets messy. And that's where people fall into the minutia. And that's where I go, the minutia is not the point. The minutia is just not the point. And so the point for me becomes,

• 1:00:25Tom Bilyeu?

  we, Israel, are going to keep the land we stole from you. Just like when I hear somebody in America be like, we should give the land back to the Native Americans. I'm like, you're retarded. So we came in, we killed them guns, germs and steel. And we won. So that ship has sailed. Now, the reservations were sinister, but they got something. They've got now casinos, which at least, I mean, Jesus, they've, they can turn that economic engine into, I mean, it's literally, get dumb white people to come in and give us their money, playing games where the house is guaranteed to win. It's, it's a fascinating psychological experiment. So fine, let them run it because no one is forcing people to go in and do that.

• 1:01:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Now hopefully they leverage that if they really care about like ethnic purity or whatever, or making that a big part of their thing. Great, do it. Would not be my advice. We were talking about this before we started rolling. I'm technically mostly Dutch. I don't feel any affinity to the Netherlands at all. All of my affinity is to the US. Now, if they choose to lean into their ethnicity instead of being Americans, that's totally their choice. I get it, whatever. That's a decision they get to make. Anyway, my advice would be to integrate. You're in the greatest country on planet earth. Fall in love, see yourself as American first. All that other shit happened a very long time in the past. Anyway, okay, that's fractaling hard. So I'm going to pause there. Not sure that I closed that loop.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  I got a super chat if we want to close it on this topic. So from chaos ballads 8582 says, Tom's rant about Palestine's reminds me of the wizard's seventh rule. Life is the future, not the past.

• 1:02:05Tom Bilyeu?

  The Wizards?

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  I don't know exactly, but I'm assuming it's referring to a series.

• 1:02:10Tom Bilyeu?

  I think a little like, a little too KKK-y wizard, which I would never like to be compared. I hope you mean.

• 1:02:16Speaker 02

  It's from Sort of Truth.

• 1:02:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Dungeons and Dragons or something.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's Sort of Truth. It's a fantasy series from Terry Goodkind.

• 1:02:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh shit. Okay, I know who Terry Goodkind is.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  And also I found the boat thing I was talking about, just so that I can clarify it for chat. It was Ghislaine Maxwell's dad. So Robert Maxwell, very rich dude. He basically died on his boat and no one knows how he died. His doors were locked from the inside, all this stuff. And it basically comes down to he was in bed with Israel. And so the alleged theory is that Israel killed him and then held a funeral for him in Israel. Just to be like, we love him, we miss him, even though the whole theory is that Israel killed him. It's a fascinating documentary. I'd have to go send it to you.

• 1:02:55Tom Bilyeu?

  I hadn't heard anything about that. Humans kill without compunction. This is why you need sociopaths. Why the evolutionary pool didn't get rid of them.

• 1:03:05Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:03:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Because when you're like, you know, I know he's our friend and all, but we kind of got to kill him. You need the one guy that's like, alright, cool. It's wild. I don't like that humans have that, but we have that.

• 1:03:17Speaker 02

  And speaking of sociopaths, Keir Starmer. No, I'm just kidding.

• 1:03:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, that's a good, I'm already on board. I don't even know what you're gonna say, but yes.

• 1:03:23Speaker 02

  I was just trying to segue to the UK thing, but.

• 1:03:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, are you talking about the alligator thing?

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  Uh, just UK as a whole. I mean, we've got, do we really address the censorship stuff even? And that's happening in the UK right now? Cause I don't think we talked about it.

• 1:03:36Tom Bilyeu?

  We haven't really, but to me, the censorship story is all about immigration. And it, the immigration thing is really going to be a fascinating thing to watch play out. This to me is a fundamental question of, do we all have the right to have a culture? When you talk about the US, I find that people derail. When you talk about Israel, people derail. So let's talk about Japan. For whatever reason, people are completely comfortable with Japan being Japanese. Now, uh, the Japanese have something going for them. They look Asian. And because they have a distinct look, people are like, oh yeah, I guess they really are a group. But that somehow breaks down when it becomes white people. It's really fascinating.

• 1:04:18Tom Bilyeu?

  So I believe that every country has a right to say, this is our culture. This is what we believe. These are our values. And I don't care if you're Ukraine and your culture is 30 years old. Uh, or you're Japan and your culture is thousands of years old, or you're China. And it's like, really, really, really thousands of years old. It's like, if you say, here's our border, we can defend it. And this is our culture. And if you want to come here, then you're going to adhere to these things. And I don't think people fully understand that the way that we transmit values to our kids is through culture. And because people are not being honest about the way the human mind works,

• 1:04:59Tom Bilyeu?

  uh, which is going to catalog us and others at all times. One of the most deeply ingrained things in the human animal is, uh, birds of a feather, school of fish. The things that are related will group up. Now, shockingly, the US has been this incredible experiment in can you do a melting pot? Where people come from all over the world and we unite them, not based on the external visual, but instead we bring them together on a set of values that strangely, some very small percentage of people, basically in every country, share these values.

• 1:05:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Then you allow them to come via boats and you say, if you can pull it off, if you don't get killed by the winter, um, or by the native inhabitants, uh, then you can be a part of this. But if you die, sorry, you just, you didn't play the game well. And that ended up being what America was founded on. So whether you're the US, Japan, China, Israel, Sudan, Palestine, whatever, you get to say, this is our culture and we're not going to tolerate anything outside of that. The UK is playing a weird game where the set of values that they're galvanizing around are,

• 1:06:22Tom Bilyeu?

  we'll call it left-leaning, liberal doesn't feel like the right, progressive maybe, progressive, progressive values. So they're galvanizing around progressive values. Now, I would be very eager to hear them actually outline what their progressive values are because it used to be tolerance, which they have certainly lost. It used to be freedom of speech, which they have certainly lost. It used to be seeking truth instead of getting lost in identity politics and things like that. But now it's become all of that. But I'd love for them to just lay it out. So then we can look at them and say, either, well, you say that's your value, but you're not living up to it, or that value deranges in this way. I think that would be very useful.

• 1:07:07Tom Bilyeu?

  But instead, what you see is it's really about underground power and leveraging the very important human trait towards compassion and empathy, leveraging that to get people to say, who are you to say that your culture is better? Your culture's not better. We want to invite everybody in from everywhere. And the honest reason why they're doing it, even if they don't know it consciously, I think they do. I think this is sinister. I don't think it's accidental. But even if they don't know it consciously, they're pulling people in based on a very simple principle, which is, our economy's in trouble because, speaking of the EU very specifically right now,

• 1:07:50Tom Bilyeu?

  we don't understand the power of innovation. We certainly don't understand what makes innovation possible at a mechanistic level. So the very thing that we pride ourselves on is regulation. Regulation is corruption. It is...

• 1:08:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Great when it's small and obesity when it's large. And they have become convinced that as a fat person who's 600 pounds overweight, that is quite literally physically melding with the fabric of their couch. They have convinced themselves that regulation unto itself is good. The way that an obese person convinces themselves that the dopamine rush of consuming calories is in and of itself good. So they're regulating themselves into oblivion. They are becoming increasingly calcified as an economy. And their solution to hide that fact from their citizens is to import cheap labor.

• 1:08:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, when you import cheap labor, the easiest way to do that is to have a whole lot of free things that will attract people from all over the world that are used to working for very low wages. You get them addicted to government handouts, which by the way is a trap. It is a trap if you want to see people do well. So imagine you're raising kids, you want them to do well. Can you give them everything or do you need to make them work? Understand the importance of working hard, trying hard, persevering, being persistent, failing, getting back up, that you can't just hand everything to them. This is why people hate rich kids. Cause oftentimes everything is just handed to them. Cause I think we all know that it breaks them. They become fucking weak pussies and they just whine and complain about everything. They feel entitled to everything. It's why you can't just give people shit.

• 1:09:35Tom Bilyeu?

  So they put them in this trap. It is a never ending death spiral, but it does get them to vote for the people who give them things because they get confused as to the efficacy of the handouts. And because humans think so myopically and so short term, they don't realize that you giving me this thing, which feels awesome today, is actually fucking me because I don't learn how to fend for myself. I don't learn how to think for myself. By the way, that's why you need to be afraid of AI. Studies are already coming out. If you let AI think for you, you become stupid. You get mush brain. Thank you. So this is why you don't give things to people. So they create that trap, but it gets them votes and allows them to hide the economic stagnation in their own country.

• 1:10:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, the real problem is, as you bring people in, things get more expensive. And so now the politicians are trapped because you need a Ponzi scheme of, I need more people to come in, that will work for cheap, to hide the fact that we're driving costs up. But this is why, even now in the US, you're getting this obscenely K-shaped economy. Because as you do that, you disempower workers, which for anybody that wants to... It is so often confused that entrepreneurs are taking advantage of their employees, when the reality is the thing that is making things unaffordable and weakening their negotiating power is there's always somebody coming in behind them that is willing to do the job cheaper.

• 1:11:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, when you're bringing uneducated immigrants in, then obviously that impacts the low end, which is also under pressure from AI. But you'll see the same thing with H1B visas. If you allow people to use an H1B visa to bring an educated person in, who's willing to work for less, you get the same derangement, just at a different part of the stack. So we are going to have to confront the realities of this, because it is mechanistic. And so we are going to have to talk about immigration. And the UK, the EU, they will all try to beat you to death with the stick of, "You're a racist", which is fucking lunacy. And so if you just look at, by the way, doing this and then telling people that they can't talk about it will create and is creating racism.

• 1:11:44Tom Bilyeu?

  So don't be surprised when racism actually ends up at the scene. But that, the racism that we see exploding now is two things. It's one, the human natural tendency to birds of a feather, school of fish, but also, and the whole just us, other thing. But also, in the same way, that plaque shows up in the brain because there's an injury, and then we see people with Alzheimer's, and we see that they have a ton of plaque in the brain, and we say, "Oh, that must be the cause of the Alzheimer's", when in reality, those are just a bunch of ambulances getting stuck at the scene of the crime, because they're trying to deal with whatever the injury was. So the racism is people freaking out. Something's going wrong. They don't know how to protect themselves.

• 1:12:29Tom Bilyeu?

  They're completely emotional. It's a populist moment. They want to be on a team. And if you're going to push them on to the black team, white team, Muslim team, whatever, they'll do it. But it's a really fucking stupid way to get people to think. Instead of being like, hey, you're in a country and it's all about being a part of this country. Here's our values. And as long as you align with these values, all is well. If you don't align with those values, fuck right off. And so we're gonna have to contend with that. So anyway, don't let people short circuit the conversation, which is economic in nature, by talking about racism. Get rid of racism. It is a fucking distraction. It will create its own problems.

• 1:13:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Don't tolerate racism in anyone, as it is super unhelpful. But nonetheless, the real debate is about something else. Now, on those lines, there's a very specific story playing out right now, which is the EU has finally woken up to the fact that civilizations don't die from war, they die from suicide. People forget you have to protect your borders. They forget that you have an identity that's based on values that people are willing to fight and die for, which as a sidebar, I'd like to remind everybody, why is the immigration debate so important? Because you're bringing people into your country, not only to have an economic effect

• 1:13:49Tom Bilyeu?

  that people aren't being honest about, but the very thing that people will kill and die for are their values. Values, okay? They'll kill for safety, to protect their loved ones, and they'll kill for values, man. And if you fail to understand that, then you're going to be very surprised when the pitchforks come out, because you're importing people that don't share values. And you're not having any expectation that newcomers conform to the values. So. If people will die and kill for the values and you're importing something that exacerbates that problem, guess where you're gonna have? People killing and dying. So, uh, yeah. Anyway, the EU is finally waking up to this. And on June 17th, in a 418 to 218 vote, they

• 1:14:32Tom Bilyeu?

  passed, finally, their most aggressive immigration reform bill to date. Now, the new law establishes a way for the EU to handle asylum seekers whose claims get rejected. Now, let that sit there. They've had to battle and fight for years just to have a way to remove the people whose claim got rejected. Wild. I cannot believe that was ever controversial, but apparently it was. So, they're now going to be, uh, an asylum seeker gets rejected, they're gonna be returned to these what are known as return hubs that are outside the EU's borders. Member states, finally, also get sweeping new detention powers, so they can actually hold on to people.

• 1:15:14Tom Bilyeu?

  So, the moronic revolving door that has been the EU flooding itself with illegal migrants is finally starting to at least have some recourse. So, before, you could get somebody who would claim asylum, they would get denied, but they would still be allowed to vanish inside the continent. What? What? So, finally, that's being stopped. By the way, we were doing the same thing in the US, catch and release. Sure you've heard of that. Now, to get the votes, the center-right didn't partner with the center-left, which, please, please, that's what we need to do. We need both people who have an evolutionary impulse to be on

• 1:15:56Tom Bilyeu?

  the left, and people who have an evolutionary impulse to be on the right. We've gotta come together in the middle, but that's not what happened. That would've been lovely, but alas, no. What actually ended up happening was the center-right partnered up with the far-right to finally get the votes that they need. And so, we, we don't wanna see people making friends with people at the extremes. So, to my beloved partners, and I mean this, this is not me being cheeky, to my beloved partners who find themselves center-left. I consider myself center-right, probably even more center than right, but I'll accept that even though it has such a bad reputation, which makes me very sad, I have a temperament that leans slightly right. I'm all about personal responsibility, mindset, you can

• 1:16:38Tom Bilyeu?

  do it, you got this. Uh, that's my shtick. But to the, my friends, center-left. Your party is sliding farther and farther to the far left because in a populist moment, those are far more emotionally evocative ideas. Just as I beg the center-right to not find themselves in situations where they're having to lump up with people on the far-right, I'd really like to see the left stop doing it. But anyway, that's what had to be done to actually get this across the finish line. It is a step in the right direction, so at least there's that. Now, sensible immigration policies, where we accept what the economic knock-on effect is going to be, how it impacts housing, how it impacts labor's ability to negotiate their

• 1:17:23Tom Bilyeu?

  own wages, how it impacts housing supply, that's a big deal. If you're not, if you're going to bring in 100,000 people, where's 100,000 new apartments? So, I'll give you a US stat. Over the last, whatever, 40 years, 50 years, something like that, houses have gone from two times the average salary to five times the average salary. Given that everybody wants a house, that creates a problem. So, people are just not being honest about what it means to bring a whole bunch of people into your state. That shit is crazy. I don't know what they're thinking. So, anyway, a step in the right direction. I'm very excited to see it. This is a very small step, so I still think that they have an insane distance to cross, but at least we're getting closer.

• 1:18:11Speaker 02

  Chat's not really commenting on this, to be honest.

• 1:18:15Tom Bilyeu?

  They're just, they hear me spitting facts and they feel warm and fuzzy.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  I mean, it's a lot of people just going deport all illegals, illegals shouldn't own land and businesses. And it's like, first of all, you're not adding anything to the conversation.

• 1:18:27Tom Bilyeu?

  It's interesting. Okay, fair. That's an emotional response. Always better to give a little policy.

• 1:18:33Tom Bilyeu?

  One thing, and I'll remind myself of this. And this is partly why I'm actually very grateful. Obviously, you and Drew both lean left. I think you guys are pretty close to the center. Neither, you guys are also both lovely fucking people. You're very smart, you're very well intentioned. Thank you. So like from that perspective, I like that we have that kind of friction. So I remind myself to not seek people who will say the things that I want them to say and to really avoid creating any sort of punishment where people push back on me. I've told the story before, but we lost employees when I started talking political because they just could not be around it. That was a one-way street. I could be around them.

• 1:19:16Tom Bilyeu?

  I was perfectly fine that they thought that my opinions were crazy and they did not like them. And I was like, hey, if you're good at your job, that's what I care about. A lot of the emotional response that you hear, whether in chat or elsewhere, for so long, it's just been like, you're racist, shut up, don't talk about that. To say that you don't want immigration is to imply that you don't like people with brown skin. It's just so dumb. It is a weapon that you use because here's the thing, we all have a guilt response. So if you say it, and I thought Jordan Peterson, I miss fucking Jordan Peterson. Jordan, please get better, man. I hope you're healing and getting well. Man, do I want to see you back on the scene.

• 1:19:54Tom Bilyeu?

  He was one of the first people that like really started to understand how when you're disenfranchising people and you're not allowing them to have a voice, like this stuff really gets toxic super fast. And so I want to see people really be able to find a way to say what they need to say, to not be silenced by that cudgel that says you're a bad person. This is a thing that Jordan talked about was his guilt response was so strong that people could even get him to feel guilty. And so he'd be like, oh shit, like maybe I am doing something wrong. And so he would pull back and like really have to evaluate himself. And he's a very deaf thinker, so I think he can get around that.

• 1:20:39Tom Bilyeu?

  But a lot of people stop at the emotion. They're like, oh, I don't like the way that I feel when you say that about me. I don't want to feel that again. So fuck, maybe I really was being racist. And so they almost talk themselves into, yeah, I guess that is racist. And it's a trick that worked for a long time. So anyway, you're just seeing like a, an overcorrection. We obviously shouldn't celebrate people just seal clapping for ugly shit. Um, but it is true. You do have to deport. You, you either have to. Force is a hard word, but it is the word. Force people to conform to the value system or leave. Or, uh, you have to, well, and you have to build, build, build.

• 1:21:22Speaker 02

  Can I ask, and this is, this is just genuine, um, me being confused on it. Whenever you talk about. Adhere to the value system and assimilate. I think I get what you're saying as Tom Bilyeu. But I think a lot of chat and a lot of people in general, oh, hey Drew, Drew's in the chat. Um, a lot of people in general tend to be like, the word assimilate. Sounds like an alt-right thing, which to be honest, the alt-right has taken the word assimilate and been like, everyone's gotta assimilate to us.

• 1:21:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Have to assimilate.

• 1:21:53Speaker 02

  But it's like, I guess explain that more.

• 1:21:55Tom Bilyeu?

  If, if, if Hitler says, uh, you must breathe oxygen in order to survive. I don't go, no, you don't bitch. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You racist. Shut the fuck up. He is a racist and boy, I'm glad he's dead.

• 1:22:09Speaker 02

  We can all agree Hitler's a racist, guys. We're not, we're not a Nick Fuentes type, okay?

• 1:22:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Can't get on board. Well, I think even Nick would say he's a racist.

• 1:22:17Speaker 02

  No, Nick Fuentes says he loves Hitler. He's claimed he's a neo-Nazi. Like Nick Fuentes is.

• 1:22:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Nick not accept that he is racist?

• 1:22:25Speaker 02

  No. So Nick thinks that I.

• 1:22:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay. We'll derail on that. That's wild. I didn't know that.

• 1:22:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. Nick is genuinely like the worst of the worst for this kind of stuff.

• 1:22:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Okay. If you're going to be racist on the racism, I guess would be my punchline. I think Hitler would realize he's racist. Anyway.

• 1:22:43Speaker 02

  Anyway, we're back to what we're.

• 1:22:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Setting that aside. Uh, okay. So assimilate. So the only way to think about the, um, the church.

• 1:22:52Tom Bilyeu?

  If you don't adhere to the church, then you're not one of us. You have not assimilated to our values and our beliefs. And so get out. And the 30 years war was fought over that. People will kill and die to get people to comply with their values because the values mean so much to them. Now, you cannot, the most maniacally stupid statement that people make is that diversity is our strength. Diversity always weakens you, always. And you have to overcome your diversity in order to move forward. Now, the great news.

• 1:23:37Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 1:23:38Tom Bilyeu?

  No, please.

• 1:23:38Speaker 02

  Well, I'm confused on the diversity weakens you because like America is the melting pot country. Like we, it's like you said earlier with the Native American land thing. This is not our land, right? We, we have now owned it over the years on a war paper, but like it is not our land, right? So I guess that's where I'm confused on the diversity weakens you because I feel like diversity has made America stronger.

• 1:24:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Non sequitur to this, we can have that debate in a second.

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  Gotcha.

• 1:24:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, you called it the melting pot.

• 1:24:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:06Tom Bilyeu?

  The only reason it works is because diverse people come here and go, I'm going to give up my diversity and I'm going to melt into being an American, meaning I'm going to conform. One of us, one of us, literally. So the problem is we're not a melting pot anymore and we're letting people spiral off into their own little group and live here for 30 years and not learn the language. And that's a problem. You're, you're going to tear yourself apart at the seams. Now, because I've spent so much time running companies, I see this firsthand where if you don't hire people that share your cultural values of the company, they'll start pulling in different directions.

• 1:24:45Tom Bilyeu?

  This has been the fascinating thing about watching game companies go through Gamergate and all that stuff where it was like.

• 1:24:54Tom Bilyeu?

  The gamers felt like the game companies had invited the barbarians inside the gate. And now they were trying to do D E I and give me realistic women instead of boob jiggly physics, which is, you know, when dude, if a guy is playing a female character, I do not understand. Unless you like staring at literally the pixels of her ass in a third person game are so nice that you're getting a dopamine response from just watching the ass while you play. Okay, I guess. And so it's like this, this is all like a neurochemical thing. And so the thing that they like getting out of a game was now being ruined by people coming in. And so they felt like, hey, this isn't what I signed up for.

• 1:25:35Tom Bilyeu?

  And so those game companies are now starting to struggle for a host of reasons, but that's a big part of it. So it's the same thing. I'm not asking you to like the culture. I'm saying when there's a divided culture, you pull against each other and you're just not moving in the same direction. I ran into this with my first writer's room. I was not yet aware of what we now call woke. And I just could not get the story moving in the direction that I wanted it to go because the writers had a belief about the world that I didn't know, understand, nothing. And so I would write a character and then they would pull it in a different direction. I'm like, the fuck is happening? And so anyway, that was how I learned about what woke was, was, oh my God, these guys have a totally different view on how the world ought to be.

• 1:26:15Tom Bilyeu?

  They're trying to, like, I'm trying to tell morality play about one idea, that if you put time and energy into getting better, you will get better. But they didn't believe in that value. And so they were pulling in a different direction. The characters just kept acting in ways and I'm like, the fuck is going on? And so it created like these weird spirals where we just could not get forward momentum in the story because we're pulling in different directions. The same thing happens at the level of a company. The company literally can't get momentum with the products and all that because you're just pulling against each other. You're sabotaging each other because you don't like them, don't believe in them. Same thing will happen at the state level. And so you just start pulling against each other. That's why you need conformity, why you're having to get over your diversity. You're having, so take a great movie called Lincoln. Lincoln believed in what he called a team of rivals.

• 1:27:00Tom Bilyeu?

  And so he wanted to bring people on who didn't think the way that he thought. But they all had to agree that for a government to function, there was like a superseding value set of we're fighting for freedom. We want things to be good for everybody. We, you know, things are driven economically, that there is a type of justice that we stand for, all of that. And so they could all agree on the meta values and then disagree on like, how is the right way to get there? But he would never have let somebody on that team of rivals that disagreed at the meta value level. And so that's where people get confused. I like being surrounded by people who see things differently than me. That's great, helping sharpen my thinking.

• 1:27:44Tom Bilyeu?

  But if we disagree at the meta level, like if you guys were in the comments trying to sabotage me and trying to convince the community that I was stupid, I would fire you fucking instantly.

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  Go watch Philip DeFranco.

• 1:27:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Because that would be you at a value level pulling against me in a way that it mechanistically breaks the value set of the company in terms of what we're trying to achieve. So anyway, when I say that diversity is always the thing that you must overcome, that it weakens you, that's what I'm talking about. So the assimilation is that that meta set of values, that if people aren't bought into, it really creates problems.

• 1:28:19Speaker 02

  And I think, that's why I had you explain assimilation. Because I think traditionally, when you hear blank needs to assimilate to blank, it sounds a little intense, right? It sounds like traditionally, it's like we were just saying with Hitler, that's the kind of shit he would do, right? So I think it's good we clarify that. But then that leads into the next question from a chatter. Oh no, I just, I just had it. Oh, here we go. So the Cyan Spark is asking to you, which aspects of the culture do people need to assimilate to? And I guess he's talking about USA specifically. And then furthermore, without specifying that, I just don't know what you're advocating for in terms of immigrants assimilating. So now that we have the definition of assimilation. What specifically are those values we need immigrants to assimilate to?

• 1:29:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Cool. One, we're an individualistic culture. We believe that there is a spark of divinity in every human and therefore the right level of analysis when you're doing policy, et cetera, is at the level of the individual. The individual needs to carry their own burden and contribute. We are not a collectivist society, therefore we don't do top-down dictatorial rule where I tell you how it's gonna be and you enact it. There is a reason that we have the Second Amendment where we say because the individual is the right level of analysis, you are able to arm yourself. Should the government become tyrannical, you have the right and perhaps the obligation to fight back.

• 1:29:45Tom Bilyeu?

  And that there should be this tension between the well-armed government and the well-armed populace. Also, that we are predicated on freedom. Freedom, top to fucking bottom. That the Constitution has way more statements of what the government can't do than statements of what the government can do. And the Constitution is really trying to constrain the government from growing and getting bigger. So anybody that comes in that wants a bigger and bigger state, wants a nanny state, literally fuck every last one of you. That is not what the founding principles of America. And freedom of speech becomes an incredibly important one.

• 1:30:30Tom Bilyeu?

  So this idea that the only way that you're gonna get to the right answer is by letting people say what they believe to be true, that the very foundational idea of America is that humans are flawed, governments are flawed, and so you need a mechanism by which it can correct itself. And the only way that you're gonna get there is by letting people say what they believe to be true, even if you think they're wrong. The family as the, um, the sort of nucleus of all of this. So should the government be able to hide that your kid wants to transition from the parent? Absolutely fucking not. Hard pass. Get the fuck out of here. Do not pass go. Toasted cheese.

• 1:31:11Speaker 02

  Are you talking like, cause, cause children can't transition without their parents permission?

• 1:31:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, in California, they were, uh, teachers were not allowed to tell parents.

• 1:31:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that's fair. Like, are you talking the surgery or are you talking telling?

• 1:31:25Tom Bilyeu?

  If your kid wants to be called Suzie, but is really Timmy, you should immediately notify parents.

• 1:31:32Speaker 02

  So I'm gonna push back on that because I do think, and if this derails, fully take it back to your initial point. I think if a kid is trans and they don't want to tell their parents, there's probably a valid reason. There's maybe a different argument when you're like, oh, the kid's physically getting surgeries and stuff. I'm not really going into that, but just like if, if a young child, if I'm a teacher and a young boy came up to me and said, "Hey, you know, I'm figuring myself out. I'm gonna go by Susan now and I want to use she/her pronouns." I think it is, I think it is immoral for the teacher to go tell the parents because there is a reason that kid's not telling his parents, right? And again, this could just be the Gen Z Ryan skew. So before chat's biting my head off.

• 1:32:13Tom Bilyeu?

  I'll say this, let's abstract it and let me ask you this question. One of two groups is going to indoctrinate kids. Group number one, the parents. Group number two, the government.

• 1:32:28Speaker 02

  And three, religion.

• 1:32:30Tom Bilyeu?

  No, because that's a parental choice.

• 1:32:31Speaker 02

  Oh, that's fair.

• 1:32:32Tom Bilyeu?

  So which of those two groups would you like to control the indoctrination of the kids? Do you want it happening at the state level or at the family level?

• 1:32:40Speaker 02

  I feel like that's a different question, but if I'm gonna answer it, I'm gonna say parents.

• 1:32:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Precise. Perfect. Then on the meta value, you and I agree. Now we can now go down and argue about, well, what's the right way for this to play out? Fair. As long as we both agree that the state should not be the one in control of the indoctrination of the children. I'm perfectly here for it.

• 1:33:05Speaker 02

  I think it also comes down to, I grew up in a red state, and so there were a lot of queer kids who would come out to their friends, come out to their teachers, because it was a safe place. And when they go back to their parents' house, they can't be themselves with their parents, because their parents are maybe abusive, they kick them out. I had a friend-

• 1:33:21Tom Bilyeu?

  We already have laws against abusive parents.

• 1:33:23Speaker 02

  Well, right, but my point is, it still happens, right?

• 1:33:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:33:25Speaker 02

  Like, there were kids in my high school-

• 1:33:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, if you think-

• 1:33:27Speaker 02

  -who were kicked out of their house for being gay.

• 1:33:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 1:33:29Speaker 02

  And I don't think a teacher telling parents, "Hey, your kid's gay, hey, your child's trans," is appropriate, I guess is my argument.

• 1:33:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, we have found the point of both clarity and extreme disagreement. Because what ends up happening, there are bad parents.

• 1:33:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:47Tom Bilyeu?

  And in my motto of "The parents get to decide," those kids get mulched up by the bad parents. Now, I believe it was Romania, they ran an experiment during World War II, I believe, and they said, "We don't trust parents at all. The state is gonna take care of the kids." So this is what's known as a natural experiment, where we get to find out what happens when we don't trust parents, because some of them really are bad, and so we're gonna take them all away, and literally raise them, and state-sponsored what we would call an orphanage. And it devastated an entire generation of kids who got fucked up beyond all recognition.

• 1:34:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I think that's terrible, let that happen.

• 1:34:27Tom Bilyeu?

  And that's the unfortunate part, is in order to protect yourself from the small number of parents who are, let's call it intentionally cruel, that you end up destroying everyone. And so, there is no perfect model here, I wish there were, but there isn't. And one of these is not like the other. This is how I feel about the socialism and communism versus the also corrupted, whatever the fuck we're gonna call the economy that the right wants. It certainly isn't free market capitalism, but- They're both bad, but one is orders of magnitude worse. Leaving kids to be raised just by their parents means luck of the draw.

• 1:35:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:10Tom Bilyeu?

  I got lucky. My parents were awesome. Shout out to my parents. Fucking love you guys.

• 1:35:13Speaker 02

  Love you parents. Mother's Day is coming or if that Father's Day is coming up.

• 1:35:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, this Sunday. Thank you. But there are some people from their parents were legitimately evil. But on balance, it's not even close. The government is not prepared to raise children well. They're just not.

• 1:35:29Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 1:35:29Tom Bilyeu?

  And so evolution has said, hey, we've got this mechanism where when especially a mother, when she has a child, nature goes in and hijacks her entire fucking brain. And she's now like, I will literally do anything for this kid. And that's why people fear the mama bear. Cause mom bear is like, yeah, I will lose my life. No problem. So anyway, I think that again, that's one of the values, since that was the question.

• 1:35:56Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:35:56Tom Bilyeu?

  What, what is the value system? That would be.

• 1:35:58Speaker 02

  That apologies for derailing. I just was jumping on that for a second.

• 1:36:01Tom Bilyeu?

  You're super respectful and it's a very interesting question. I'm sure a lot of people feel the way you do. But that's why I say, ah, I get the impulse, but it just doesn't play out well at scale.

• 1:36:11Speaker 02

  So your whole thing, just to wrap that all up, since we went on a separate topic, is assimilation for migrants specifically in America, looks like taking on the value of freedom, picking yourself up by your bootstraps, doing all the stuff yourself and not asking for handouts. That would be like the one sentence summarization.

• 1:36:28Tom Bilyeu?

  That's such a funny way to re-say what I said.

• 1:36:33Speaker 02

  Well, I'm just trying to like, what's the succinct?

• 1:36:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, the succinct thing is individual is the right layer of analysis. Each individual is imbued with a spark of divinity.

• 1:36:44Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:36:44Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't believe in God, but if you don't have that orientation, you have not assimilated to our values.

• 1:36:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, spirituality.

• 1:36:50Tom Bilyeu?

  We are not a top-down society. We are a bottom-up society. That requires freedom. People should be able to say whatever the hell they want. Obviously within the constraints of the.

• 1:37:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Supreme Court and that there's one last one freedom of speech if I didn't know I just said that economics that we are built on free market capitalism.

• 1:37:18Speaker 02

  So now to pose an interesting hypothetical to tie it back to the UK. Do you think your definition and like how you're defining assimilation in America looks the same in the UK or is it a different story given how UK's history?

• 1:37:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, so we are very much a child of the UK. So I'm very sad at how far apart we have become. I used to recognize American culture in the UK. We've always been distinctly different. There's no doubt having lived in the UK for a year, it feels very different than it does here.

• 1:37:47Speaker 02

  Oh, where'd you live? Oh, unless that's London. That might be too. Okay.

• 1:37:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Not at all. I was obviously getting married to a Brit, so probably no big surprise. They had a better, ironically, a better immigration policy and that she could only stay here for three months. I could stay there for six months.

• 1:38:02Speaker 02

  Really? I didn't know that.

• 1:38:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Prior to getting married. So yeah, so.

• 1:38:05Speaker 02

  Oh, it's a marriage law?

• 1:38:07Tom Bilyeu?

  It's a, yeah, basically how long is the fiance visa? And theirs was twice as long. So ended up going there. Anyway, I also got a job there. So it was easier for me to work there than it was for her to work here. Yada, yada. So right now we are diverging at a very rapid clip, which is super sad, but there are a lot more similarities than there are differences for sure. But we're far more entrepreneurial, far more entrepreneurial than the Brits. They are far more collectivist than we are, but obviously far less collectivist than say China.

• 1:38:42Speaker 02

  So one of the things the chatters have been talking about, and this is a total jump, and I think we touched on it the other day. I can't remember what you and Drew talked about that list that came out of all the billionaires that were going to Ireland, I think it was.

• 1:38:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Is that for the Peter Thiel thing?

• 1:38:55Speaker 02

  Uh, is that Peter Thiel? I don't know the full story. I just read the list. And so I'm curious your insight on like, why do you think this group of people are coming together? Because we're seeing people from both sides of the aisle coming together for this list. Or I guess, what is it? It's like a retreat?

• 1:39:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, so I, I think it is true that humans love to form groups, to be a part of a group. You can call it a secret society and make it sound really weird. And in the age of Epstein, I forgive you for doing that, that's for sure. Cause there are some really weird ones out there. The reality is I think we all seek people that are into the things that we're into, that have our frame of reference. And in a time of trouble like this, and I don't know why he's bringing them together. But I will just say, if you're a game developer, I am desperately trying to put my own group together. Bonus points if you're into anime and manga, hit me up on X. So it's like, I would literally do something similar for people that are in game development and all that. Cause I want to be surrounded by people that are going through the same thing I'm going through. That might be able to help me with marketing, right? Like all those things.

• 1:39:56Tom Bilyeu?

  So you have an agenda, there are people that can help you with that agenda. And unfortunately, I'm not wired to be good at networking at all. But networking is extraordinarily powerful. It is so powerful. This is why when people get mad at the Rothschilds, I'm like, you're just mad that they're fucking good at it.

• 1:40:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:14Tom Bilyeu?

  They were good at getting rich. Remember that guy started in a fucking ghetto. Ghetto, man. Not like, oh, it was a bad neighborhood. It literally, you're in the ghetto. It is demarcated as the Jewish ghetto. You are relegated. And he managed to get his family out of that in a single generation. Raised his kids up, they became just insanely wealthy. Then he's like, oh, you know what? We really, we gotta get, we, we have to like plug ourselves into the political world. It's just fucking brilliant. So anyway, he manages to go from a German pauper to his family being connected to the British aristocracy. That's impressive. And so that's why people do this.

• 1:40:56Tom Bilyeu?

  It's like, how can you help me? And I like being around you. And so it's just fun. It's fun, it's effective. Now, win the thing, and this is why I always tell people, you can achieve any goal you want. Be very careful about what goal you set your mind to achieving. So when you set your mind to achieving mass, mass scale child rape, fuck you and everyone around you. That shit is so wild. So I get why people are inherently like paranoid about these groups because you get rich, you can hide a lot of shit, you can convince a lot of crazy people like that shit is wild. It's real, all of that. Um, but there's also just like, uh, I need the smartest people around me

• 1:41:38Tom Bilyeu?

  to think through these problems. And so I'm going to gather the smartest people that understand what does a hyper wealthy person do in partisan times like these? And by the way, we're fucking plugged into at this point, probably a lot of governments. I think Peter Thiel, you can pretty credibly say he's plugged into the US government. That's for sure. He's plugged into the Argentinian government, apparently. I would not be surprised to find out that he was plugged into the government in New Zealand. It's like, so yeah, you get enough of these guys that are like, all right, cool. Uh, who's got Belgium unlocked? Yeah, I got Belgium. All right. Who's got Brazil? I got Brazil. Literally, you bring them all together. Cool. This what we're gonna do? Yeah, we all agree. Cool, cool, cool. Uh, if Russia launches the nuke, where are we all going? Okay, we're going down here because it's way too far. They're not going to bomb that. It'll be some shit like that.

• 1:42:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:24Tom Bilyeu?

  And these guys are just running the, the same kind of playbook you would expect a nation to run. Um, what do we do in these circumstances? I am fucking guessing. I don't know anything about that. And unfortunately, uh, why I actually have been invited to a Peter Thiel event, but unfortunately it wasn't secret. That would have been cool.

• 1:42:41Speaker 02

  Tom, they're gonna chip you without you knowing.

• 1:42:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Maybe they already have, but, uh, I'm not the guy that gets invited to that shit. So it's probably good. I'm so awkward at that stuff. And by the way, I refuse to change who I am. So when I get invited to these events, I talk about the shit I care about. Uh, so yeah.

• 1:42:58Speaker 02

  I just think it's a reminder at the end of the day, it's like you always say, it's the political elites at the end of the day are just coming after power, right? I mean, we look at this and it's like Cory Booker's there.

• 1:43:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Do.

• 1:43:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's like, what is Cory Booker and Elon Musk doing in the same room? That doesn't make sense to me, you know? Um, but yeah.

• 1:43:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Power is useful. People will always pursue high. Utility and we've got to learn to embrace that.

• 1:43:21Speaker 02

  Do you?

• 1:43:21Tom Bilyeu?

  What is high utility?

• 1:43:22Speaker 02

  Do you think with Elon Musk there to tie it to the UK immigration situation? Do you think there is something of like they are tackling these topics like immigration in other countries?

• 1:43:30Tom Bilyeu?

  They're trying. I mean, look, they're going to be forced to through violence.

• 1:43:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:33Tom Bilyeu?

  So the reality is the the effects of immigration are real. I get that we don't want them to be real. I get the people who are left leaning. Some who are sinister, some who are just sincere. People don't want there to be negative externalities to immigration, but there are external realities to be faced. And so they're going to be dealt with. They will come to a head. Have you guys not read the fucking history of Spain? Bro, bro, like the you had Muslims come in and they take over and just kill, kill, kill. And the Spaniards try to take their country back and they get fucking slaughtered. Slaughtered. And so what do they do?

• 1:44:16Tom Bilyeu?

  They go hide in the mountains for generations and they fucking have babies, lots and lots of babies. And now they raise those kids up to be warriors who fucking hate these kids. And so they come back and they take their country back. And for a brief second, they actually tried to live with them now back as the minority. Let them stay and then they're finally like, nah, fuck it. They got, they all gotta go. And they just kick them the fuck out. And so I think people think that the call it the West, it's a, it's a rounding thing because it's not just that. But when you look at the very longstanding history of the West or Christianity and Muslims colliding, this shit is a tale as old as time. And so when you look at this as like a new thing, fuck that.

• 1:44:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Boys and girls, this has been going on for a very long fucking time. And so those who are ignorant for history are doomed to repeat it. And so you've got to pay attention. You got to pay attention. And people just are not paying attention.

• 1:45:11Speaker 02

  Pivoting to our super chat because it raises some cool questions from Michael Thompson with a $30 super chat. Two things. One, I don't think I've heard you talk about data centers driving down the cost of compute much. We'll change economy, economic numbers. And two, both you and your guest yesterday, I'm assuming the Bustamante episode,

• 1:45:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 1:45:29Speaker 02

  seemed to question teaching below the top 20%. I'm a vet running for a town council in my small town and working a business. If you both stop, guys like me have a much harder time in the heartland. We're listening and applying at the street level.

• 1:45:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, meaning like sometimes you feel like you're not reaching people? I do have, I'm constantly weighing whether I am spending my talents wisely. And if I can't, if the ideas that I put out in the universe are not moving the needle in a way that makes the world better, then I go, hmm. It's a lot of aggro that you bring into your life when you start talking about this stuff. So I know there's something real there. I also think it's bad. I, I know that in the future, I may have to come up with a nom de plume

• 1:46:22Tom Bilyeu?

  to write stories. If the first game fails, and I think that any of it failed because I speak about politics, the second game will be published by a nom de plume. So it's like I have created that problem for myself. So I feel a moral obligation to do it now because I know how beautiful and incredible life can be when people adopt my value set. I'm arrogant enough to believe I really do have the right value set. So yeah, that's a constant way. And if I eject it out for that reason, then it might mean that people like you are being very kind and very generous, that these ideas are helping you. And that helps me a lot, by the way, to hear that it is helping people. But that's the debate. Every one of us has

• 1:47:04Tom Bilyeu?

  to say, based on the things that I love and my talents, how should I be spending those to greatest use? And some of that just comes down to what's your goal, what means something to you, meaning and purpose, et cetera, et cetera. And for a whole host of reasons that I never would have seen coming when I was younger, I find myself far more engaged with children's entertainment, feeling like I can have a bigger impact there. So anyway, that's a constant pull.

• 1:47:28Speaker 02

  What about that first part with the data centers?

• 1:47:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, so what was their statement? The data centers will lower the cost of what?

• 1:47:34Speaker 02

  It seems like a rhetorical question, but it basically seems like it's coming down to, do you think the cost of compute will go down with data centers coming up?

• 1:47:43Tom Bilyeu?

  No, but I do think that the cost of compute will go down as the algorithms get better. So the cost of compute is going to go down dramatically. One of the ways that we might actually start lowering the cost of compute is to go into outer space, because then you don't have to deal with cooling.

• 1:48:00Tom Bilyeu?

  But the most expensive part, I believe this is literally true. The most expensive part of the AI infrastructure build out are the chips. And the chips go bad roughly every three years, meaning they become obsolete. There'll be more powerful chips. So data centers, I think, are going to remain expensive for a long time. The key is to not need as many data centers because the algorithms are getting so much better that you're able to get much higher output without needing the compute. So if one of those gigantic data centers now, let's say, can service 100 million people, you need a data center like that to be able to serve a billion people. Then, same chips, same data center, now serving more people, the cost goes down.

• 1:48:44Tom Bilyeu?

  That's where we have to find ourselves. And so far, it seems like algorithms and just general efficiencies of the structure of the AI itself, the data centers itself, that's what's going to drive the cost down. As always, it's going to be innovation. So it's not just, excuse me, it's not just more bigger data centers, more data centers. Those unfortunately have like a freakishly short shelf life on the most expensive part.

• 1:49:11Speaker 02

  So to add to the fact, Chet, you are correct that the chips are the most expensive part. But if we wanted to dig deeper, because these chips are used in so many different parts, the most expensive parts that use chips are the GPUs and the accelerators, apparently. And the crazy thing, and this is just an added, this is all from Claude, Chet, but there is an added thing Claude just said, that Nvidia apparently has cornered the market so hard for AI that it's blocked out other competition and is making chips expensive for everyone, which I didn't realize was all the AI stuff.

• 1:49:41Tom Bilyeu?

  This is why there are already so many moats that a business can get from efficiencies of scale, where it was like, to do what Nvidia did is insanely difficult, insanely difficult. That's why only Elon is basically running out and trying to replicate it. It's gonna be hard. So you already have that moat to all the upstarts that are coming after them. And then they will go beg for regulation so that they can create even more moats. So not only is the build out insanely expensive, but they've got the government going to bat for them. And this is why it doesn't look like we're gonna have a lot of time to cover it, but I'll touch on it briefly. So one of the things I said at the top of the story is that Bernie and the Trump admin,

• 1:50:25Tom Bilyeu?

  the words came from J D Vance's mouth and made me wanna headbutt him. Because they're, they're really leaning into this whole like, oh, it's sovereign wealth and we're doing it for the people. No, you're not, motherfucker. You're doing it because you want control. You wanna control. Why do we not want the government taking a sovereign wealth position in AI companies? Because they will then choose which ones win and lose. And then guess who loses as a guarantee? You, because there's no competition. You should want the product to get better over time. The product will only get better over time through innovation.

• 1:51:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Innovation, it's number one, like ingredient is competition. You won't get innovation unless you're competing. So having the government step in and be like, bro, it's Intel and Intel's such a part of our country. It's like, yeah, and now, just like you did with the fucking banks, you're gonna decide that they need to be supported and you will print money to do it and you will fuck all Americans as you steal their money to make sure that Nvidia, which is running itself like an absolute retard, if they're struggling, that you're gonna let them win when somebody else might have been more inventive and only it's gonna come to power if they fucking collapse. And so watching the right make these lunatic decisions makes me want to break things.

• 1:51:49Tom Bilyeu?

  It is so fucking ignorant. This is what happens when people do not say, here's our value set. This is how we got here. This is literally J D Vance on behalf of Trump saying, you know what, those fucking Chinese, they really know how to do it. We gotta be more like China. No dumbass, the Chinese are brilliant at being Chinese. Americans are brilliant at being American. And now let's run these two things head to head. And guess what? Shocker of shockers. Who's won more in the last? Hundred and fifty years? The fucking US. So, Jesus Christ. This is so stupid. This is about control. This is about, I wanna be the one that decides where this money goes.

• 1:52:33Tom Bilyeu?

  It's crazy. And because everybody's in, just protect me. Trump, protect me. Save me from everybody. That they'll say yes to the dumbest shit on planet Earth. America have a different message for you. On your 250th birthday, remember who you are. You were the hardest core motherfuckers on this planet. Whether you came recently across the Mexican border, or you came long ago and rammed your head into Plymouth Rock, and you fucking survived those crazy ass winters, man. You are the entrepreneurs. You are here for an opportunity. You are here to work, to show humans have become

• 1:53:14Tom Bilyeu?

  the most dominant apex predator the world has ever seen through one thing. They put themselves in a position where it was adapt or die. Get good. Turn your latent abilities, potential into actual skillset. To get so good at something that people can't stop you. Nobody handed America shit. We got good geography and we did the rest our fucking selves. And we took this place over by being willing to carry our cross. Not praying for a lighter load, but instead praying for stronger shoulders. That's how the fuck we became America. That's how we got dominant. And all of a sudden, everybody wants shit for free. We wanna hand things out. We want daddy to take care of us.

• 1:53:58Tom Bilyeu?

  We actually fucking refer to the president as daddy. Get the fuck out of here. You don't need a daddy. You need yourself. You need to be strong. You need to be willing to fail and fall flat on your face. Learn from that failure. Get back up. Get stronger. Tear the muscle under the weight. Then fucking heal up and be monster mode. That's what made us America, man. It wasn't wanting something for free. It was being willing to innovate our way to survive a harsh winter that killed 80% of us. And the 20% that Still here are gangster. And if somebody is a foreign born American and they have the value system that we share and they want to come here and be a part of that shit.

• 1:54:40Tom Bilyeu?

  I fucking welcome them all day long, but we gotta be hardcore. Fuck a handout. Let's get busy building.

• 1:54:51Speaker 02

  Feel like we need the applause. And Tom did the Tom monologue. Um, but speaking of handing America shit. It seems like Australia is gonna hand a win to the USA today.

• 1:55:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, they're gonna hand us the win. Okay. If you're, if you're voting for Australia.

• 1:55:10Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 1:55:11Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm about to have beef.

• 1:55:12Speaker 02

  Cause the Cowshie chart is showing that right now. People think 62% chance America pulls out in today's World Cup game and kicks Australia's ass.

• 1:55:22Tom Bilyeu?

  I think they will win, but please to my beloved American team who played so well in the first game. You guys were very impressive. You actually look like a World Cup team. For the first time since I've been watching, I was very, very, very impressed. Remember you must come in knowing you have to execute. If you come in cocky, thinking that you're gonna win automatically, you will lose. Because the mind is the most powerful athletic asset that you have. So just stay sharp, stay focused, baby, and get that win. But I will be watching.

• 1:55:54Speaker 02

  Um, I also just, I know we don't read $10 super chats, but I'm gonna read this one. Uh, swirling dragon says they just found out their friend Sonia passed away last year. And her family has made a GoFundMe um, to raise money for her memorial. I just wanted to point that out because a super chatter did it.

• 1:56:09Tom Bilyeu?

  That's very kind. You have to be careful with that. Otherwise our chats will be full. There are plenty of uh, deserving people who will fill.

• 1:56:16Speaker 02

  Oh, really? My bad. Don't do that.

• 1:56:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I love you, man. And I really hope that your friend gets everything they need. Uh, I've been on the internet long enough to know how quickly that turns into madness. So uh, do wish you the best.

• 1:56:28Speaker 02

  But we do have a super chat.

• 1:56:29Tom Bilyeu?

  We will not be, yeah.

• 1:56:31Speaker 02

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• 1:56:45Tom Bilyeu?

  At a glance, that's a good loop. I dig it. I'm here for it. Well said. It's all true. And that's the last super chat we've got for now. Amazing. All right. You guys have made this week absolutely incredible. I can't thank you guys enough. Our numbers have been up, up, up recently. So I'm super, super grateful to you. Super grateful to Kalshi, who please, guys, love these sponsors. They've been so good to us, to our partnership team that's put this all together. We're so grateful. The QR code on the screen right now. Use code IMPACT. Hit that bad boy. Get $10 to trade on kalshi.com. Pay attention to Kalshi. It's going to help you understand where things are going. This is what I use them for. I want to know where, where is society at? What is culture saying?

• 1:57:27Tom Bilyeu?

  It's super, super helpful. And then I've got another AI masterclass coming up. You do not want to sleep on this one. Thursday, July 9th at 1:00 PM Pacific. I'm going to teach you guys how to launch a business using AI. People are telling you that AI slop and it's bullshit. That is dumb. I'm telling you right now, we use it daily at Impact Theory to great effect. And I will show you guys exactly the kind of things that will help you. If you've always wanted that side hustle, start a business, or just control your destiny inside of somebody else's company. Let me show you how to use this. It's free. Thursday, July 9th, for free, 1:00 PM Pacific. Hope to see you there. All right, guys. Peace out. Much love. Have a great weekend. Later.

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