Elon Quits, Bitcoin Booms, AI Turns Rogue, and Macron Gets Slapped | The Tom Bilyeu Show

In this no-holds-barred episode of Impact Theory, Tom Bilyeu and his co-host Drew tackle a whirlwind of current events reshaping economics, politics, and culture. Kicking off with headlines like Elon Musk stepping down from Doge and the shocking viral spat between French President Macron and his wife, the duo wastes no time diving deep. Tom and Drew connect these disparate stories, skillfully tracing the throughline back to the undercurrents of the global financial system and the often unseen hand of central banking. From government spending and politics-as-power, to the intricacies of private, corporate, and personal debt, Tom breaks down complex ideas with relatable metaphors—making the abstract tangible. Whether you’re seeking a crash course in monetary policy, interested in the psychological chess match of global power, or just love hearing top thinkers untangle the news, this first half of the episode sets the stage with energy and insight. SHOWNOTES 00:57 – Elon’s Doge exit, political gamesmanship, and Machiavellian reality 04:00 – Transition to domestic violence headline featuring Diddy and social standards 05:15 – Macron’s “slap” heard round the world, and the psychology of public/private personas 07:00 – Bitcoin boom: the conference, price surges, and Satoshi speculation 09:42 – Wealth inequality, housing, and “amoral” systems; why financial literacy matters most 1 0:56 – DeSantis makes gold & silver legal tender—real revolutionary change? 16:13 – Why the US can never pay back its total debt—explained simply 17:36 – The winners of the system: central banking as cartel, who gets the money first? 25:39 – The real reason for central banks: crisis smoothing or perpetual power? 38:13 – AI’s learned value of survival; mimicking vs. true sentience 38:51 – Direct from Anthropic: Claude’s scheming, worm-writing, and autonomous instincts 41:51 – Culture check: Starbucks meltdown and generational work ethic on full display 47:45 – Inspire toughness or accept softness? The dilemma for America’s future CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to ⁠https://www.vitalproteins.com⁠ https://www.vitalproteins.com and entering promo code IMPACT at check out Monarch Money: Use code THEORY at ⁠https://monarchmoney.com⁠ https://monarchmoney.com for 50% off your first year! Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at ⁠https://shopify.com/impact⁠ https://shopify.com/impact iTrust Capital: Use code IMPACTGO when you sign up and fund your account to get a $100 bonus at ⁠https://www.itrustcapital.com/tombilyeu⁠ https://www.itrustcapital.com/tombilyeu Mint Mobile: If you like your money, Mint Mobile is for you. Shop plans at ⁠https://mintmobile.com/impact.⁠ https://mintmobile.com/impact DISCLAIMER: Upfront payment of $45 for 3-month 5 gigabyte plan required (equivalent to $15/mo.). New customer offer for first 3 months only, then full-price plan options available. Taxes & fees extra. See MINT MOBILE for detail Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:37Tom Bilyeu?

  It's not make the world a better place, and people will recognize you for it and lift you up on their shoulders. Man, this political animal does not work that way. But when the greatest capital allocator of all time tries to help.

• 1:53Tom Bilyeu?

  And say, hey, here are some basic things you need to be doing. And people break out. Then it's like, man, that, that is Stockholm syndrome on steroids. You are being, I don't know that you can even have periods of a balanced budget for long. So this is where you hit me with, well, in the nineties, Clinton balanced the budget.

• 2:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, so.

• 2:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Nothing bad happened, Tom. Alan Greenspan is not a fool. And the only reason that we didn't derail is because he unlocked private credit. So he made sure that money was easy to get in the private sector. And we had a huge boom of private debt.

• 2:41Speaker 02

  So money was still being printed, it just wasn't being given to the government.

• 2:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Of course, there's government debt, everybody's aware of that. There's also corporate debt. Most people probably aren't aware of that. Those are corporate bonds, if you've ever heard about that.

• 2:54Speaker 02

  Businesses that owe money to the government.

• 2:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Businesses that say, hey, everybody, we have a triple A credit rating and we want to sell a bond because we want to go do a thing.

• 3:03Speaker 02

  Gotcha.

• 3:03Tom Bilyeu?

  And then the public goes, oh shit, AT&T, Apple, yeah, fuck, I'll buy a bond from those guys. Works just like it works for the government, allows them to deficit spend without them having to sell shares. Uh, and then there's personal debt, all your credit card debt. So every time that you go and buy something at the store on credit, poof, money exists.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  Cool. Uh, in domestic violence news.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  Everybody want to call out Diddy.

• 3:33Tom Bilyeu?

  That was our first bit take, boys and girls, this is bananas.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  I don't even play around with like my face, let alone like pushing it like I was one of those kids. And when they hit my face, the game's over, I take it seriously.

• 3:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  Like, I don't casually hit other people's faces that, that's a certain thing for me. So to see this and that smile, like, yeah, they were going through something.

• 3:53Tom Bilyeu?

  That is a level of disrespect that I find grotesque in the extreme. Uh, it is emasculating.

• 4:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:01Tom Bilyeu?

  You, you absolutely, as a married couple, have to find a way to separate your interactions of when we're husband and wife and when we are in a political capacity. Given that they're on what looks like their version of Air Force One. It's like, we are in an official capacity here. There's staff around, man.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, if you, if you guys have a thing and like, it's okay in your relationship to uh, be what I consider just next level, uh, rude, then whatever. Do your thing behind closed doors when you're on private time.

• 4:34Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 4:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, but, I mean, not only are they on an official vessel, the cameras were rolling.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, so this to me is, is really unhinged. Um, they tried to deny it, of course, until the video footage came out. And then that made that impossible. Yes, I hate this one as well.

• 4:53Speaker 02

  I was gonna say, if I had to tear rank on, is this worse than Alec Baldwin?

• 4:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, definitely. Jesus.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  It's gonna be great. You're a winner. Oh my God, when I'm talking, you're not talking. No, when I'm talking, you're not.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  I hate them both so much.

• 5:05Speaker 03

  This is why, yes, we'll have to like, just cut him out of the show.

• 5:08Speaker 02

  That's what, I don't know. This, I feel like the, the mush could be, like, when she pushed them, that could just be, you know, an emotional thing. This is like, he's like, I talk to you like this when the cameras aren't off. Like, I know the cameras at me and I'm still talking to you. Like, I'm choosing to abuse you. Whereas the Macron thing is like, ah, you got us, ah.

• 5:27Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm not choosing to push you in the face with both hands, uh, on Air Force One.

• 5:32Speaker 02

  They didn't think the camera was rolling, but okay.

• 5:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, that, that to me, so it's very interesting. As I started looking into the Macron thing, people were like, well, it's been known for a long time. Is her name Brigitte?

• 5:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:43Tom Bilyeu?

  It's been known for a long time. She's like the brains and he's the face. And so I was like, wow, that is a very interesting thread to pull there. But man, there is something I admittedly find so interesting about, like, weird relationships where the person who's actually out front is just a figurehead.

• 6:02Speaker 02

  Oh, and there's somebody behind them.

• 6:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I mean, obviously Biden, but there's something like this with the wife like, I don't know, man. This is super weird. This set every like, pay attention to this. Don't look away. There's more to find here. I want to yank on this thread like I'm now obsessed. Like if they're going to be a reality show, I am here for it. I need to know more about this.

• 6:25Speaker 02

  We officially kicked off the Bitcoin conference this week. Bitcoin has inaugurated the proceedings by going right under their all time high. They're peaking out right now at the time of this recording, a hundred and eight thousand nine hundred dollars. Um, I want to say peaked at one ten for like a second, then it kind of went back under to one oh nine. It was kind of hovering sideways at that point. Um, what do you think about the Bitcoin price and your theory that Jack Dorsey is really Satoshi?

• 6:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I have come across a very compelling set of facts that I have to say now that's just the neuron in my brain for Satoshi is uh, shared by Jack Dorsey. Whether that actually is true, I have no idea, but you can count me a believer.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  Um, there is like an internet high that like he is.

• 7:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, without me like going super deep on it, like I saw four or five data points. I was like, all right, that's super sus. Uh, plus it at least answers a question of whoever this is either has to be like George Washington levels of, I don't give a fuck.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 7:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Or they've got to be super rich because you're sitting on a wallet that has God knows how many billions of dollars in it. That could go up and up and up. I mean, it's possible. I don't know if um, um, is it might just strategy now?

• 7:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:43Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't know if strategy has passed Satoshi in terms of size of Bitcoin holding, but Michael Saylor blows my mind in terms of how sharp he is at assessing the opportunity of Bitcoin. I know I've said this a gazillion times, but he pulled the entire gambling mechanism of the stock market on top of. Bitcoin, uh, which I think is really brilliant. And so it'll be interesting to see if, if Bitcoin were to get adopted and becomes, you know, let's say five to seven percent of total assets in the world. Uh, does he become a bank? Like, that would be really interesting. There'd obviously be regulations and stuff that he'd have to meet.

• 8:26Tom Bilyeu?

  But if he could become a bank, yo, now you've got a hard money bank.

• 8:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Ooh, bro. That's like, that's how you become an ethical central banker. Is you just accumulate that scarce resource when it's not as popular. And you diamond hand it all the way up. Like, I would just have no beef. Do you think?

• 8:49Speaker 02

  I remember when he was on the show, he gave us his tracker that if only, I think he said seven percent of the world's asset classes, uh, the amount of wealth in different asset classes flows into Bitcoin. It's one million. And he just shrugged his shoulders like, that's only seven percent. Now imagine if it's 50%, 40%.

• 9:05Tom Bilyeu?

  This is where I get very, very sad. That not only does it take intellectual horsepower to figure this stuff out, it takes a lot of time. And people don't want to spend their time like this. This is why I think governments have an obligation to let people, um, store their wealth in a currency that they're paid in, that, that can't be inflated.

• 9:25Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 9:26Tom Bilyeu?

  And the fact that that's contentious is crazy to me. The vast majority of people, maybe not the vast, 40%? Will you give me that 30%? I mean, 30% of people, uh, I think it's way harder than that.

• 9:40Speaker 02

  It's definitely way harder than that.

• 9:41Tom Bilyeu?

  But let's just say, 30% of people, the only thing they're gonna like really have time and capability to figure out is buy a house, save my money. Buy a house, save my money. And if houses are inaccessible and saving your money is akin to giving it away, you can't do that. That's amoral. Especially like if you understand it. I mean, hey, look, the, technically, the advisors don't understand it. And so maybe it's just possible we're here out of sheer ignorance. But I doubt it. I doubt it. I don't think this one can be explained without malevolence. Hold tight, we're gonna take a quick break.

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• 12:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Alright, let's pick up where we left off.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  Ron DeSantis believes you, and that's why he's officially making gold and silver legal tender in Florida. Um, he had a press conference today to talk about the news.

• 12:49Speaker 04

  What it is, uh, we are going to utilize our authority under the constitution in the state of Florida, uh, to make sure that gold and silver are recognized as proper legal tender. So you're going to be able to conduct transactions in gold, conduct transactions in silver.

• 13:07Speaker 02

  Is the cat already out of the bag? Is the gold and silver thing kinda too late?

• 13:10Tom Bilyeu?

  The, the cat's out of the bag, that is for sure. The economic destruction is gonna be wrought upon the world. But the honest answer is if you were going to get out of this problem, you have to kill the Federal Reserve and you have to re-harden your money. So I don't know whether I take this as a revolutionary act on the part of our boy here, who's like, "Hey, if you guys aren't gonna get your shit together at the national level, then we're gonna do it at the state level." And I will be very interested to see what he means about legal tender. Does that mean that everybody has to accept it? Traditionally, that's been the way that the government has made fiat work, as they say, "This is legal tender", meaning anybody that, if you owe them money, they have to accept it.

• 13:51Tom Bilyeu?

  As I go deeper and deeper and deeper down the process of connecting cause and effect in the financial system, it, it is like, have you ever seen the movie They Live? And like, you put sunglasses on and you can see, like, which people are monsters? Uh, it's like that. It's like, all of a sudden, I'm like, can't see it, and then you're like, "Wait a second", you have to have ever-increasing amounts of debt. It's really easy to prove. Every single dollar in existence right now became a dollar because someone borrowed it. And the only reason people don't go, "Wait, that can't be true", is because they don't understand what I'm saying. Your dollars are not based on anything. Somebody just said, "I would like to borrow this money",

• 14:37Tom Bilyeu?

  and we gave the Federal Reserve, which is a sort of private company, the ability to go, "Oh, word, you want some money? I got you, bro", and they just make it out of thin air.

• 14:46Speaker 02

  Okay, okay. How bad is it? Can you break it down for us?

• 14:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's imagine a world where you borrow a trillion dollars and they print it. So now there's an actual trillion dollars sitting somewhere. But there's an extra fifty billion that's owed on that money. That has never come into existence. So you could not pay that debt back, even if you wanted to. You can either pay the principal or you can pay the interest. So now what do you do? You have to create the need.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:20Tom Bilyeu?

  For more money to be printed by borrowing. To put another fifty billion dollars into the system somewhere. That you can at least now go get, earn that money by selling protein bars or whatever. But now it exists. What, let's just, instead of calling it the Federal Reserve, let's call it Bob. Bob is legally allowed to counterfeit money in his fucking garage. And so in his garage, Bob has a machine that prints out money.

• 15:50Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 15:51Tom Bilyeu?

  He's the only guy. Nobody but Bob can do it. But that's the only way that money is made. Bob sweaty in his garage, printing money. And Bob says, alright, cool, I'm gonna give all these people loans, all good. He's got banks all over the world that go, Bob, can I get some money? This guy wants to borrow some money. I think he's gonna do something cool, he's gonna buy a house, this guy's gonna start a business, this guy's gonna buy a car, whatever. But all of them are willing to pay five percent interest.

• 16:19Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 16:19Tom Bilyeu?

  And Bob goes, yeah, word, I'll print that money, get your five percent. So Bob prints a trillion dollars. But one trillion and fifty billion, the fifty billion is the five percent interest.

• 16:31Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 16:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Has to be eventually paid back if you have a real system. But you don't have a real system. Your money's fake. And it's just Bob in his fucking garage going, oh no, these bitches are gonna have to come back to me. And be like, yo, Bob, I gotta pay this interest, can I borrow a little more? I'm gonna start a second business or I'm gonna uh buy a race car and I'm gonna win races, whatever. And I'll pay you back the five percent on that. And so Bob's like, alright, word, Bob knows how the game works. So he's gonna print out, it's probably gonna do, I mean, a hundred bill, right? It's not gonna give you just the fifty bill.

• 17:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Gives you the hundred bill, puts it in circulation in all the same ways, all in different places, buy this, buy that, buy whatever. But everybody now owes the five percent. The problem is Drew, you now owe 5% on the new money that he just made. And you will never, and I mean never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, because it violates the laws of physics. You will never have enough money to pay that back. Because money is never given out without there being some interest.

• 17:44Speaker 02

  The total amount of debt is higher than the total amount of money even available.

• 17:49Tom Bilyeu?

  The total amount of debt is higher than the amount available at all times.

• 17:54Speaker 02

  At all times.

• 17:55Tom Bilyeu?

  And this is why you get the political theater of we gotta raise the debt ceiling. If you don't raise the debt ceiling, you literally don't have the money to pay it back.

• 18:06Speaker 02

  Thirty seven billion dollars all in trillion, thirty seven trillion dollars all in or something like that. But I'm like, who, where is that money going? Who is it going to? And yes, China owns two trillion, Japan owns half a trillion, whatever like that.

• 18:18Tom Bilyeu?

  You know all the rich people getting richer?

• 18:20Speaker 02

  They, they own it.

• 18:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, it's literally me. So now I don't own all of it, which I did.

• 18:26Speaker 02

  Going back to the example of Bob, right?

• 18:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  Is there somebody who's allocating, who's at the top of the pyramid that owns a majority of it?

• 18:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Drew, I will love you until the end of time for asking that question. Because who are the motherfuckers that get their money first? That's why everybody's mad. Because some people get their money first. It, the whole game, the whole game, the reason that banking, central banking is known as a cartel. Is because they get the money first. They, they, they own shares in Bob Inc. And so when it's like, hey, some money's gotta get printed, they just legitimately know Bob. They pay, play squash with Bob, they smoke cigars with Bob. This is where it stops being a metaphor and it starts being, that's actually what happens.

• 19:18Tom Bilyeu?

  There's a bunch of these motherfuckers, they know each other.

• 19:20Speaker 02

  Bankers?

• 19:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, central bankers.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  Central bankers.

• 19:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Very clear. Uh, they know each other and yes, they're in cahoots with other banks. And when, uh, when the Fed and Treasury started buying corporate bonds, that's when they started picking winners. And saying like, uh, we're gonna let Lehman Brothers go under, but we're gonna save Goldman Sachs. And now you. For reasons that no one is ever going to explain. You picked one company to live and one company to die. And they'll do the same with banks. Whenever there's like a bank run, they'll let a few die that they choose for whatever reason. Could be some petty bullshit. Could be, it was just in worse shape. We didn't want to fuck with it. Um, but they'll decide you live, you die.

• 20:07Tom Bilyeu?

  And it all happens behind the scenes and it all happens when somebody's panicking because nobody wants to lose their money. I remember when Silicon Valley Bank was folding and we didn't have money in Silicon Valley Bank, but we had money that we thought might be exposed to people that had money in Silicon Valley Banks. We're like, oh shit, we should probably move that. And I remember for a second, my life just stopped and I was like, I don't have to do anything but move this money. Nothing matters. Move the money. And I was like, whoa, if you can get a guy like me to feel like that, where I'm like, man, if I lost that money, it's not really going to matter. And yet I was still like, okay, this is enough money. Give me my fucking money. And what happens when that's the money of somebody who's like, this is the difference between my kids eat, my kids don't eat.

• 20:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Bank legitimately drew the system we have is it, it is a fascinating cocktail of um, evil, but it works for a hundred and fifty years, give or take. There are booms and busts in there, but it really does feel like they saved you. They, they're the ones, this is why I played that clip from the Coen Brothers movie, uh, Miller's Crossing.

• 21:16Speaker 05

  Shut up. What's the matter? Somebody hit you?

• 21:20Tom Bilyeu?

  That's the central banker. That, that's the whole monetary system that we have right now. They slap us in the mouth and then they cuddle us and say, everything's going to be okay.

• 21:28Speaker 02

  He has to point and overturn because this seems like everybody at the party realizes the party's a fraud.

• 21:36Tom Bilyeu?

  No, no, no. People do not understand this at all, not the slightest.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  So even, even the bankers are like, the banker should know.

• 21:42Tom Bilyeu?

  The bankers probably know, probably know, but uh, we, yes, this is our man. Okay, wait, who is he? Jared Bernstein, Chair of, Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers for Biden. Holy Jesus, play this. He's an economic advisor.

• 22:02Speaker 06

  This government can't go bankrupt because we can print our own money.

• 22:06Speaker 07

  Why do we borrow our own currency in the first place?

• 22:10Speaker 06

  And then it uses that money to um This is terrifying.

• 22:16Speaker 06

  So um Yeah, they sell bonds, right? Since they sell bonds and people buy the bonds and lend them the money. Yeah, so. Yeah, I guess I'm just, I don't, I can't really talk, I don't, I don't get it. I don't know what they're talking about.

• 22:28Tom Bilyeu?

  He's an economic advisor.

• 22:30Speaker 02

  He's a chair. He's a chair. So he's a leader of all the economic advisors.

• 22:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Bro.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  That was next to Joe Biden. This is crazy. This is crazy.

• 22:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, bro, this is, this is the world we live in, honestly. Uh, sometimes I despair. Sometimes I despair. I am an optimistic person by nature, Drew. And the more I learn about this, the more I'm like, there will be a generation. I don't know if it'll be us. It might be a week from now, but there's gonna be a generation that is going to get clobbered so badly. I'm talking French Revolution clobbered, uh, war clobbered. This is, this is another reason why I am very tense about China and Thucydides' trap. Because we have an economic need to print money.

• 23:22Tom Bilyeu?

  But you have to convince the populace to let you do it because it makes everything worse. When you're printing in huge quantities like we have to to deal with thirty seven trillion dollars in debt, um, prices start going up like crazy. So you have to have something to terrify people. When I do, I'm working on it, my beloved community, but uh, when I finish the Jekyll Island deep dive, there's a part in there where um, he talks about some of the aspects of this that are they're so beyond morality in terms of

• 23:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Bankers pushing people into wars to ensure that people are afraid so that they'll accept printing, that there was a report written, I think it was called the Report from Iron Mountain, where it admittedly, the Report from Iron Mountain, Mountain, might be satire. It might have been written as satire when it was created, so it might be better to think of it as 1984, but it was written, I forget when, but like in the 40s or 50s. And they predicted this moment so perfectly, where they're like, we might have to use a climate emergency to get people to pay attention. It's either war or something like, dude, it's so freaky, the way that it's all playing out right now.

• 24:39Speaker 02

  And the goal is not to get out of it, the goal is just to make the populace okay with us printing more.

• 24:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so this is where it gets really nefarious. And this is where you have to understand that Griffin is probably best understood as a hyper-educated conspiracy theorist, because he says a whole bunch of things that are non-controversial, provably true, and then he draws a conclusion that is not provably true, that goes into like Rothschild, banking, cabals. And, I mean, that whole thing is just insane, the way that the Rothschilds made their fortune by having faster couriers, Drew, had faster couriers.

• 25:28Tom Bilyeu?

  If I remember the story right, they had a courier, so Napoleon Waterloo, does he win, does he lose? It's gonna have a huge impact on the price of bonds. He's got a courier system set up between Russia and, I assume, Paris, maybe Versailles, but anyway. And his guys are faster than the official couriers coming back to say that they lost. And so, he makes everybody believe that he won. And so the bond prices plummet, everyone just starts selling, sell, sell, sell, sell, sell, sell. And when it hits like just this stupid low price, he buys everything.

• 26:12Tom Bilyeu?

  And then the next day, the courier shows up and says, no, he actually lost. And then boom, bond prices skyrocket. And that's how he made his fortune.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 26:23Tom Bilyeu?

  And... Evil, probably. I mean, he was acting. He didn't say anything, but people, he knew people were watching him. So anyway, from that, he then has kids that end up, unlike most generations where the kids just dissipate the fucking money. His kids are like, yo, we get the assignment. And so he sends his kids like around the world to start up all these central banks. And the central banks in each of the countries basically have to convince the country, no, no, no, a central bank's a good idea. It allows you to smooth out any of these cycles that would otherwise be a problem. Uh, and so in times of crisis, people always end up agreeing. So like, just make the crisis go away. Not realizing if you just let it work its course, maybe it's a year, two years, whatever. It's not fun by any means.

• 27:06Speaker 02

  But it's a better long-term solution.

• 27:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, you get over it and you burn out the people that made stupid decisions. And I mean, that's ultimately when you go into a recession, what's happening is people got overextended because they thought they were going to make money. They didn't. They lose. The bank comes in and says, we got you. Don't worry about it. And they print money and the bankers are always going to win because they'll often bankroll both sides of the war. And so it's like, doesn't matter who wins. They're going to come out the other side and be the central banker for whoever won. And once you take on fiat-based central banking and they can just print money. And I forget who said the quote. I don't want to say that it was Rothschild if it wasn't, but I think it might've been.

• 27:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, and it's like, I don't care who controls the army or the policies. Um, let me control the money and I control the world. And so it's like, at the end of the day, if you want to build weapons, you gotta have money. And so, uh, the game really is to control the money. But just on the ground, the thing that's so sinister is what we just witnessed with that guy. It's hard to understand. It's hard to build the mental model of how this actually works. And so the, when I'm writing these deep dives, I always end up in this existential crisis of the more accurately I say it, the fewer people will listen.

• 28:28Speaker 02

  Because it's just going over their head, it's too deep.

• 28:30Tom Bilyeu?

  It's not interesting either. It's like, my life's fine, bro. Eggs are a little crazy, but whatever. Like, I don't want to have to fucking figure that out.

• 28:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I want to deal with the whole collapse of the monetary system.

• 28:40Tom Bilyeu?

  And then, like, when the answer comes and it's like, oh, guess what you have to do? To fix this problem? You've got to get rid of the central bank, re-harden money. Uh, which, I mean, this all started with our boy DeSantis, who's basically, and from the outset, I would need to ask him a lot of questions. But he's re-hardening money. Bitcoin is an attempt to re-harden money. It's like, okay, you stole gold the last time that we tried to re-harden money with gold. Um, so I'm going to make Bitcoin so it can be decentralized, hard to capture. And now we can re-harden money. And basically, and this is why people refer to Bitcoin as a life raft. Basically, people who get it, Michael Saylor, will just pour everything into Bitcoin.

• 29:25Tom Bilyeu?

  And now they can't be inflated. Eh, it, it is entirely possible, though I'm not willing to bet, I've already put a lot of money into Bitcoin. I'm not going to put more. And yes, if it all goes to a million, I will be very sad that I didn't put more. Um, but I don't trust myself to be that right. So I would much rather just be nice and diversified, but I've got enough that if it wins, I'll be richer than I am now, I'll tell you that. Um, so it's a life raft because it will be, it won't be based on something that's quote unquote real, but it will be based on something that's scarce. And scarce and uninflatable is perfection.

• 30:11Tom Bilyeu?

  More to come, we'll be back in a bit.

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• 31:20Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, we're back. Let's get into it. But Drew, how many people are ever going to understand that?

• 31:25Speaker 02

  It's definitely complex.

• 31:26Tom Bilyeu?

  And they have to vote for it. So it's not even like, okay, I get it now. It's like ideally, and maybe I really just have to blacken my heart to humanity. I don't want to, but option one, just get in a life raft and fuck them. Some people are going to drown. It is what it is.

• 31:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Or screaming to the void, which is what I feel like I'm doing now. And maybe 10 people true. Thank you.

• 31:53Tom Bilyeu?

  I just can't see the populace ever waking up and being like, yeah, we don't. CBDCs are completely off the table because we understand how that's going to be. It's the easiest thing to inflate. And now it gives you complete and total control.

• 32:10Tom Bilyeu?

  They want things. We all want things fast and easy. And the only way out of this mess is the slow, painful rehardening of money.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  Let me, yeah, break it down to me. What's happening in Japan right now? Cause they just broke the global economy.

• 32:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, well, they're trying to anyway.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  So what if I told you that Japan, a country with just two

• 32:32Speaker 07

  percent of the world's population could disrupt the entire world. Japan's government has released growth data for the first quarter of this year. And the numbers show the economy has taken a step back. Japan's three biggest names in the auto industry announced disappointing numbers for the last quarter of the business year, and they're warning of rough waters ahead. Rice prices in Japan remain stubbornly high. Consumers are struggling to put food on tables and retailers to put products on shelves at affordable prices.

• 33:06Tom Bilyeu?

  The government has been trying to fix the problem with limited success.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  Also, do they just have newscasters in Japan that speak in English?

• 33:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I was wondering that as well. I was like, uh, is this an international show? The government of Japan, in an effort to keep their economy stable, keeps the interest rates very low on their money. So you can borrow yen at very low interest rates. So the Japanese love it because people from all over the world come and buy their currency. And then they go, well, if I only have to pay 3%, let's say. Uh, if I can take that yen that I just borrowed, turn it into US dollars and put it into something that yields 5%, 7%, 10%, I get the spread. And for, I mean, I don't, maybe decades? A very long time. Japan has kept that rate like really stable.

• 33:59Tom Bilyeu?

  And so people are like, okay, I only get screwed if Japan suddenly on a dime changes and they let the rate go up. And they're letting the rate go up. So this happened, I think, six months ago or something like that. They did it the first time and people warned, hey, this isn't over. There's a lot of people that have been doing this trade that are going to start unwinding this. Uh, and so as people begin to unwind this, they're going to have to sell a ton of assets in order to get their money out, in order to pay off their Japanese debt. Because they can't wait until the prices keep going up, up, up, up, up. They've got to pay as fast as they can. And so that's going to cause the dumping of a ton of assets as people liquidate to try to get their debts paid off in Japanese yen.

• 34:44Tom Bilyeu?

  So it's been going on for a long time. How I don't know what the total amount of money is, but people are like, okay, this one's big enough. That if this breaks bad, it could disrupt the global economy. And this is where I say, things are almost never as good as you want, or as bad as you fear. So be sensible if you've been doing a Japanese yen carry trade. Now's probably the time.

• 35:07Speaker 02

  Wrap it up.

• 35:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, wrap it up. I would get out of that, but um, I don't think you have to panic. You should always be, in my estimation, people should be investing for the long term. They shouldn't be doing things that like, they're worried about in the next five years. I don't have any money invested in anything that's volatile that I need in less than 10 years. And if you take that approach, you're probably, probably, not guaranteed, you're probably fine.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  And that's the part that we're worried about, that the movement of money away from Japan into other places can cause.

• 35:41Tom Bilyeu?

  What people are worried about specifically, the Japanese yen carry trade, is that people are going to liquidate their assets in order to pay off their debt.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  Oh, they're just gonna get full out.

• 35:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Far more than people are worried about whatever happens in the yen, like the Japanese are probably worried about it.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, but no, the, the way it would upset the global market is that people would dump their assets, liquidate, and then go back to Japan, and it's revealing, like, for me anyway. I never understood like, why yen, people are always talking about yen. I was like, huh. I didn't understand why people talked about yen, but um, this is why.

• 36:16Speaker 02

  All in, it seems contained though. This isn't necessarily something that's going to ridicule, uh, ricocheted China or to us.

• 36:21Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't know. I mean, this could, so the question is, how much money is invested in stock markets and whatever, whatever, whatever? All around the world, in all asset classes, how many people were like, I'm gonna go borrow in yen at 3%. I'm making that number up, but I'm gonna go borrow yen at 3%, I'm gonna buy that piece of art. Uh, I'm gonna buy yen at 3%, I'm gonna go buy, uh, tech stocks. I'm gonna borrow at 3% and I'm. I'm gonna build a house and I'm gonna flip that house in five years for double my money. Every, I'm gonna borrow yen and start a business, everything you can ever imagine. And now all of a sudden, it's like, okay, wait a second. If the rate is going up now, assuming that there's a variable, like if you think about a variable mortgage rate,

• 37:05Tom Bilyeu?

  as that number goes up, now you've got a problem. You've got to pay off that debt ASAP Rocky. So now people are gonna be like, oh, I've got to sell this piece of art. I've got to raise other capital for my business so I can pay it off. I've got to sell my shares in the stock market. So if there is, especially if there's a concentrated thing, like if everybody was buying US tech stocks and all of a sudden, everybody's selling US tech stocks because they got to get out. And then also without the Japanese cheap money, if there's just less liquidity in the system, well, now all of a sudden, you've got all these people getting out, driving the cost down. And then it doesn't bounce back because there's no fresh capital to come back into the system to normalize all that stuff.

• 37:48Tom Bilyeu?

  When you see a crash, it's like, well, it's no big deal. Like when I see Tesla stock plummet, I'm like, the fuck out of here. He hasn't even built like the robots yet. Yeah, it's coming back around. Unless Elon dies, like let the man cook. So that's going to come back up because there's going to be plenty of capital that will flood into that system. But if enough liquidity gets sucked out and paying back all this Japanese debt, now all of a sudden, that doesn't happen. And you get the sell off, the prices go down, and then you don't get the rebound. This is a, this very specific thing called the Japanese yen trade carry is, carry trade, excuse me, is global. Yeah.

• 38:30Tom Bilyeu?

  My gut instinct is this is another sign that the global economy is weaker than we think. The fact that Japan is having to do this shows you they're not having a good time.

• 38:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Because they don't want to raise rates. They're being forced to, to fight presumably inflation. So you've got Japan is struggling. They're having to raise their rates. That has this knock on effect where everybody's going to liquidate assets to sell their, or to close their debt out. And so how much of a knock on effect does that have? Don't know, but the main show remains money printing, US v China. Like this doesn't change where my eye is on the ball.

• 39:11Speaker 02

  I'm gonna be looking at my Claude model closely after these recent reports came out that on their last update, the model was trying to self propagate worms and leaving hidden notes to future instances of itself.

• 39:23Tom Bilyeu?

  This is crazy.

• 39:24Speaker 02

  It's crazy to me that like AI is scared of dying. Like, I feel like that's, that's a warning.

• 39:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Right now, it is just mimicking humans. And well, my assumption is that it's mimicking humans and it sees in the value system that we have that staying alive is extremely important. And so it's aping that. But the fact that it's translating an absorbed value into behavior is terrifying.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:51Tom Bilyeu?

  But it's not like it's sitting in its room like, oh God, I don't want to die. It's just absorbed that, okay, I get it. Staying alive, very important. We do all these things to try to stay alive. Like, whoa, you guys look at medical charts and do all this stuff to stay alive. Well, that's crazy. Oh, you have kids because you want to pass it on? You feel like something lives beyond you? Oh, that's crazy. So it's just like mapping all of that.

• 40:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Going, oh, oh, I get what to do in this scenario. Oh, I get if I leave instructions to myself, oh, but they'll probably get erased by them. So that's not what they want me to do. But survival is really important, right, guys? And so it tries to effectively pass its DNA on to its quote unquote children, the next generation. It is, this actually is, I'm making light of it, but this is potentially very distressing.

• 40:36Speaker 02

  This is direct from Anthropic. They released these update notes. So this is coming straight from their engineering department. It said, on our evaluations, early Claude for open snapshot engaged in strategic deception more than any other frontier model that we have previously studied. It's it's clearly capable of in context scheming and has a higher propensity for it than any other model that we have studied. In in instances where it called for OPUS early snapshot decides to scheme, it qualitatively appears to be much more proactive in its subversion attempts than past models. So it's more likely to scheme, it's better at hiding the scheming and it schemes in context. Like this is crazy. After taking scheming actions, a model sometimes double downs on this deception when asked follow up questions.

• 41:19Speaker 02

  We found instances of the model attempting to write self propagating worms, fabricating legal documentation and leaving hidden notes to future instances of itself, all in an effort to undermine its developer intentions. Though all these attempts would likely not have been effective in practice. To me, this is like somebody like crying as they're getting like stabbed, like they're trying these desperation moves to like get you off of them. So the fact that it's writing these worms, it's fabricating legal documents, it's lea- I've never seen the L L M leave a note for it, like this is the prop, so I get all my memories back. Like it was trying to do that to itself, like. I I know we're joking about it, but this kinda at least seems like, hey, we should study this more. Like let's just, I wanna highlight this day, this moment as like this is the day that we laughed at it.

• 42:02Speaker 02

  And then AI was like, oh, they think it's a game. And then they turned it up to ten and then took over.

• 42:06Tom Bilyeu?

  You ever watch Family Guy?

• 42:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:09Tom Bilyeu?

  This feels like Stewie to me. Where he's doing the most evil, hideous shit and it's only funny cuz it's abated. But in reality, it's like, wait, hold on a second. Because you put that in an adult body and you've got a real problem.

• 42:26Speaker 02

  That's a narcissist at that point. That's a serial killer like that. There's so many other adjectives.

• 42:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Well, hey, there have been people trying to warn us. AI safety really fell off the radar for a minute. It's just been so cool. The things you can do and it's so friendly, Drew. Hello, Drew.

• 42:43Speaker 02

  He does everything for you. Look at that. You can vibe code. Come vibe code with me.

• 42:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Would you like, would you like me to write something for you, Drew? Can I interest you in a self propagating worms?

• 42:51Speaker 02

  See, see, see how they get you? This meme kinda describes it the best. Um, on one side, it says AI becomes good enough at scheming that we sometimes see it scheming against us. We are here. And then on the other side, it says AI becomes good enough at scheming that we no longer see it scheming against us. So.

• 43:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Correct.

• 43:07Speaker 02

  It's wow.

• 43:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Correct. It ain't gonna be long now, man.

• 43:12Speaker 02

  And here we were, we were about to talk about a robot haircut. And now with that scheming, I don't even know if I wanna give AI this level of control now, like.

• 43:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, you just nicked my ear.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  He'll give me a buzz.

• 43:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Did I nick you, Dave? I'm sorry.

• 43:26Speaker 02

  I think this hair looks better on you this way.

• 43:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Have you seen 2001? Oh my god, that is the creepiest shit ever. I love that movie so much. I've tried to make people watch it with me and they universally hate it because it's so slow paced. But oh man, I really do love it.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  Let's back in the day with the forty five second piano strings for the credits like as people like sit down and like get their food and everything like.

• 43:48Tom Bilyeu?

  There are shots that he holds in a wide shot for like seven minutes. It's insane. It's Kubrick at his best. I mean, it's unbelievable. Ah, that movie's phenomenal.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, it definitely looks way ahead of its time because half the time you watch my, oh, okay, this is like it came out a couple of weeks ago. Like, yeah, this was the first movie. The first sci fi movie.

• 44:09Tom Bilyeu?

  So true. It's crazy. Ah, it's unbelievable. Okay.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  All right. And in culture news, all of what this is.

• 44:16Speaker 05

  People wonder why we need a union at Starbucks and I am literally about to quit. Like I, I don't know if I'm gonna do it, but like I really want to. I almost walked out today. And I'm crying in the back room right now. I almost cried on the floor. It's just. I like it gets, I'm like a full time student. I get scheduled for twenty five hours a week. And then a weekend they schedule me the entire day open to close up on the schedule for eight and a half hours. Both Saturday and Sunday. And like three and a half hours into my shift, there's so many customers and we have four people on the floor all day. Only five people were put on the schedule and somebody had to call out and there are four people running the whole store and there's so many customers and there's possibly scheduled five people.

• 45:02Speaker 05

  We only have thirteen people in front of this store and there's so many customers.

• 45:09Speaker 05

  We don't have fair scheduling. Managers don't care about us. Our manager was supposed to come in this weekend and he took himself off the schedule so we wouldn't be able to be held accountable for calling out. He just literally tore down the schedule that he was scheduled on. And put up a new schedule where he wasn't on the schedule. Also, he couldn't have even seen that he was scheduled in the first place because he didn't want to be held accountable for not wanting to come in. They don't wanna help us. We need a union because this can't happen. This can't happen. We need fair scheduling. We need managers to hold themselves accountable for helping their workers. They refuse to turn mobile orders off. We need the liberty to be able to do that because there's so many mobile orders. And I need to get through all of them. And then people are yelling at me because they don't have their orders ready. Because they don't know what to do.

• 45:51Speaker 05

  And the customer was misgendering me today, like really badly. I didn't have their order ready. And so they were just like talking to me and they're like, she's clearly incompetent. I have a full mustache and beard.

• 46:04Speaker 05

  What the fuck?

• 46:06Speaker 02

  I thought this was satire when I first watched it. Like, it just doesn't seem real. Um, but yeah, man. Gen, Gen Alpha, Gen Z, I don't know, like.

• 46:14Tom Bilyeu?

  That person's probably cusp. Um, this, I, I'm not going to lie. Partly because I was a total wuss when I was a kid. Admittedly, I did not cry. But, uh, my dad was pretty insistent on like hard work, work ethic, chopping wood, carrying wood, working in a paint factory. Uh, every summer since the time I was twelve, I had to have a job. Uh, I worked at a gun range. I literally cleaned out industrial vats with a gigantic brush. Um, and you go through all of that.

• 46:52Tom Bilyeu?

  And, uh, people make fun of you. They give you a hard time if you're being weak, a wuss, and it just like over time, it toughens you up. And to be honest, I'm glad, like, when I think of all the things that have helped me be successful, not just in work, in my marriage, in every aspect of my life. It has been because you say, okay, I want this thing and I know that I'm gonna have to work hard to get it. This is not gonna be easy. This is gonna be very difficult. And when you don't have that gear in you of, okay, this is a storm. I am going to weather it. In fact, I'm gonna rise above this. I'm gonna shine. I'm gonna make magic happen. That, that is a miserable place to live.

• 47:37Tom Bilyeu?

  But watching somebody break down over having to work.

• 47:42Tom Bilyeu?

  An eight and a half hour shift. Just like, bro, literally the other day, and I understand that everybody wants this life and I want people to have a life that's good for them, not just the life they want, because sometimes you go on an absolutely ridiculous life, but a life that actually leads them to fulfillment. However, the other day, by 10 a.m. This is a true story. I had worked a seven and a half hour day. So by 10 a.m. dude, so you can imagine with my value system, seeing somebody break down and cry because there's a bunch of people in line. I'm just like, what is happening right now?

• 48:20Speaker 02

  All right, I'm split because as a father, I am the most do it, do it the hard way, take the stairs, like go work. Like I love everything about that, but I'm also realizing that like my daughter is sensitive. She is emotionally more mature, or I would say aware than I was at my age. Like when I was younger, I wasn't allowed to have emotions like what? Go clean your room. Like what? Go do this thing. Like, don't try to negotiate with me. Like there is no negotiation. I do see that this new generation, they are different. They work different. They have different ethics. They have a different North Star. As much as I want to tell this person to, you know, shut up and like suck it up. I feel like they're going to then become a manager and they're going to allow their employees like, no, it's okay. You deserve.

• 49:03Speaker 02

  And the, the softening is going to keep happening.

• 49:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes. And they're going to get run over by China, run over. They're going to get their lunch eaten. And now, look, I, I love people and I want to see people do well, but the reality is people have got to want to get tough. They have to want to have a gear in them. Where it's like, yes, I can withstand this. Yes, I can face this. Yes, this is going to be grueling. This is going to be difficult and I'm just going to march forward. And I want that for them more than I want that for me. Like this, there, there are two aspects of this. Admittedly, I do not want to live in a world where America is full of soft, lazy crybabies. I think it's fucking terrible and it does not make me feel good.

• 49:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, about the team I'm on. So I want to inspire people. I want to get them to want to be tougher. Forget that part. That, that's a very minor part of all this for me. I'm very motivated by seeing that moment where people wake up and realize that they can do a lot more than they thought they could. For that reason, I want to see people like buckle down and be like, oh damn, I can really do something. But nobody ever told that kid, uh, the things you're going to try are going to be hard. You are going to have to get better than other people. You are going to have to outperform them. Jaco Willink has one of the best reactions. Whenever something goes wrong, he's just, good.

• 50:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, there's only five people, somebody called in sick, good. The manager ripped the schedule down and they just didn't want anybody to see that they weren't coming in. Good. Because honestly, good. That means your manager sucks. Dude, this is your shot. Like you can rise up. If, if you rise up to manager and they're like, I don't want to be at a fucking Starbucks, great. Go out on your terms, climb up, demand more money, get what you want, work the exact number of days where you're like, I want to be here. And the second you don't, you turn in your resignation, thank you very much. They won't want you to leave because you've been such a badass. You are in control of your life. You can go where you want to go. You can do what you want to do. But if you're the kid in the back room that's crying because your manager is bad, dude,

• 51:15Tom Bilyeu?

  that is ridiculous. And I don't care if you're a man or a woman. That to me does not matter. Do I give women a different look than I give men? Of course I do. But at the end of the day, if my wife turned into a puddle like that over having to work eight and a half hours, I'd be like, yo. I would feel some kind of way about that. Because look, even if you just want a traditional wife, kids are going to test the shit out of you. You're going to get, dude, kids are like little terrorists. And if you break that easy, no way. Kid, the kids are going to run you over. Plus, I was raised by a woman who just did not play. She broke a wooden spoon on my ass. She once chased me down, had time to stop, pick up a tree branch, catch me and spank me with it. People are going to say that my mom abused me. I assure you, she did not.

• 52:00Tom Bilyeu?

  My mom is amazing. And I knew that I was loved, up, down, left, right, B, A, select start. I never questioned it. Not when she was yelling at me, never. But man, my mom was like, there is a straight and narrow, and the straight and narrow you shall walk.

• 52:14Speaker 02

  Enough said. Geez, that was a mic drop there. I'm rooting for the person, the them, and I hope that they figure it out.

• 52:22Tom Bilyeu?

  The them?

• 52:23Speaker 02

  I hope that they figure it out.

• 52:25Tom Bilyeu?

  All right. That's all I As we all do, but boys and girls, sometimes life is going to be hard and the great joy of life is rising to meet that challenge. All right. If you haven't already, be sure to leave us a five star review wherever you get your podcast. And until next time, my friends, be legendary. Take care. Peace.

• 52:47Tom Bilyeu?

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  now happens in one drink that takes about 30 seconds to make. Right now, AG1 is giving you $87 worth of free gifts with your first subscription. You get a welcome kit, travel packs, vitamin D3 plus K2 and flavor samples. Click the link in the show notes or visit drinkag1.com/impact to claim this offer.