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  Trump has signed an EO, making birth tourism much more difficult. We're going to get into the nitty gritty of what the EO does and doesn't do. Scott Beson is playing fast and loose with some numbers in the hopes that no one is actually looking. But I'm looking, and I'm going to break down what the data actually says. Scott is somebody that I normally, I love hearing him talk, but this one, he is in full propaganda mode. Tucker Carlson has unveiled a 10-point plan for America, and it is a very fascinating mixed bag of the brilliant and the unhinged. You guys are going to want to hear that breakdown. We're going to go through a take from Professor Jiang,

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  who breaks down the incredible risk that the war in Iran presents to the entire future of the US economy. If you guys miss this one like I did, you're going to want to hear it. It is terrifying and incredibly interesting. I think he's wrong about some things, and we're going to go through that. Now, a key AI researcher said, "I'm leaving OpenAI to build telepathy." Telepathy. Now, I wish that I could just laugh that one off, as I do every time Drew tries to get me to talk about aliens. But this one, I don't think you can just laugh off, given what's going on with technology. So we're going to be diving into that. All right, but first, we got to talk about it. The DSA, man.

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  These guys are on a tear. The DSA continues its absolutely hostile takeover of the Democrat Party. Abdul El-Sayed just won Michigan's Democrat Senate primary. He'll tell you, he is not officially a part of the DSA, but he spouts the same policies, hangs out with those guys all the time. They call him an ally, and he campaigns with and is endorsed by Hassan Piker, who is the Pied Piper of the DSA. Now, if it walks like a commie and it talks like a commie, comrade, odds are, it's a commie. Now, please, keep in mind, I do not mean communist as an exaggeration for effect. I mean it very literally.

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  The DSA is a self-stated communist organization that has a self-stated aim that they are not shy about in literally the destruction of the American form of government. They talk very openly about what they're trying to change. It is a horrifying list of, "Let's ignore exactly the thing that the founding fathers put in place so that we could make sure that the government could not trend towards tyranny." So for them to strip out all of those protections, which is exactly what they want to do, it is absolute madness. And so you're going to hear me continue to bang this drum, as it is absolutely ridiculous what they want. And El-Sayed is rightly categorized as being on that same train.

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  El-Sayed wants to defund the police. He referred to the police, by the way, as standing armies deployed against Americans. So now imagine what happens when you don't have said standing army to help you against Americans who have gone very, very awry, and instead, the criminals are going to have unfettered access. The sad reality of the human condition is that the strong will do as they will, and the weak will suffer as they must. If you guys remember the Chaz Chop from back in Seattle during the Summer of Love, what did it end in? Gang violence and people getting shot because there is no one there to help. Also, sexual violence. It's just, obviously, I hope it's obvious anyway to everybody, that there are some people who wish you harm.

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  And if you don't have somebody that stands between you and them, you're in trouble. So this is one of the most stupid takes in the universe. Now, he wants to also abolish ICE. He wants to expand social benefits beyond our already, remember, 47% of our budget already goes to social programs. So when we're talking about pushing north of 50%, we have a problem. And he wants to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. Now, of course, he denies a lot of these claims, but it does not take long to find the deleted tweets that he has tried to push out into the ether. But of course, the internet is forever, and so you can find them, see him saying these things explicitly. So you don't have to do a lot of guesswork.

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  Now, the good news about what just happened is that he only won by roughly one point, which is fewer than 20,000 votes. But that good news starts to look pretty thin when you consider that Haley Stevens, who he ran against, had literally everything going for her, and she still could not beat him. She had Governor Whitmer's endorsement, Chuck Schumer's endorsement, about $60 million in outside money. But the bad news is, if you guys are paying attention at all, 30 million of that came from AIPAC-affiliated Super PAC. And that, these days, kids, in the Democrat Party is the kiss of death. People need to learn that one real fast.

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  At Impact, track $98 million in total spending, the third most expensive Senate primary in American history. Damn. Stevens and her allies outspent El-Sayed nearly nine to one. Nine to one. That's a lot. That's a lot, a lot. Proving that there is just an absolute ton of energy going behind the DSA. And despite having all of those advantages, El-Sayed won anyway. Now, he says, again, that he's not the DSA, but let's just run through some stats. He spoke at six DSA events between 2017 and 2020. By the way, I'm going to go out on a limb and say, before he realized that this was going to start

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  becoming a political liability for him, Detroit DSA organizers describe him as a longtime ally. DSA volunteers worked the state for him. Bernie Sanders, who loves himself some socialism, and he loves himself some DSA. He endorsed him, and so did every member of the socialist squad. And, as mentioned previously, Hassan Piker rallied with him, including the night before the vote, and proving just how much energy is not just behind El-Sayed from the DSA, but just across the board. The same night that El-Sayed won, in Michigan's 13th district,

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  DSA member Donovan McKinney unseated incumbent Sri Thanadar by four points. Thanadar had the money, again, AIPAC, and Hakeem Jeffries. And this is one of those things, man. You can be as pro-Israel as you want, but you've got to understand, on the Democrat side of this, if you're a Democrat and you are pounding your chest for Israel, that is not going to go well for you. That just is not where the energy is. And look, I get it, you don't just want to pander to where people are. But man, you also don't want to shoot yourself in the foot. You've got to address where people are. You've got to meet them, where their psychology is. It's just like anybody on the Republican side, and Scott Beson, I'm looking at you, pretending like everything is fine in the economy.

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  You're going to get your ass handed to you. As with all philosophies, boys and girls, in your life, if you have a hypothesis, it must describe the world that you actually see. So you cannot tell people there's no problem with the economy as people are struggling to make ends meet. You have to explain how we got here and precisely what you're going to do to get out of it. If you want to raise money, and you're going to be raising money from AIPAC, yikes. You are going to have to have the world's most compelling argument for why that is the right thing to do right now. And like Fetterman, watching Fetterman say that Israel is the line in the sand for him. And if you don't support Israel, then he just can't be involved with you. His argument, he didn't even finish the sentence. It was just like sort of this bumbling thing where it's like.

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  So I'm specifically talking about when he was on with Jon Stewart. Oh, you have the clip? Oh, my God, play this, play this.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  And what's really set me apart of most of the Democratic Party is Israel. And that's fair. It criticized John Fetterman on Israel without a doubt. A hundred, a hundred percent. So that's been primarily, and that's been driving our party.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  So for you, you could agree with them 90%, but Israel is the red line.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Israel for me, like I can't ever turn my back to Israel after, after where it's at.

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  Even when he goes to like, explain succinctly why Israel's a red line. He goes like where they are. What?

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  Where they're at? What, what does that mean? Like you've got, this is somebody who, when you find, and listen, I, this happens to me as well. But when you find yourself, you've got like this nested sense of a heuristic, this thing is bad. But, and you really feel it to the core of your existence, right? So DSA, Mom Donnie, for me, I have just a core emotional belief that this is all a big problem. But if you just say that, that's meaningless. That's you reasoning by emotion. You've got to be able to anchor it back and go, okay, these are the specific things that make this a problem. And I don't know if Fetterman has an answer and he just didn't give it here. If he really like, okay, here are the five reasons why I believe that Israel needs to be a red line.

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  I understand it is really unpopular, but it's unpopular because people are reasoning from emotion. So let me ground you in the reason why, from an economic standpoint, we have to be partnering up with Israel. Especially now Iran is trying to bully the region, even if it's our fault that, you know, they're in that position. Oil remains economically critical. And the GCC nations are going to need alternatives. Some of those are going to have to run through Israel. So maybe historically, calling them the aircraft carrier that can't be sunk in the Middle East was a stupid thing to say. But now it's really going to be real because these pipelines are going to run. There's plenty of argument to be had with that. But at least it's a cogent argument. That's like, okay, this is why we have to do it. Not some sort of vague, like emotional appeal, or I just feel that it's so.

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  I really think, first of all, Jon Stewart, you, you cannot dismiss this guy. Like Jon Stewart's a bright guy. People always go, oh, he was never funny. He's funny. He's funny and he's sharp. Even if I don't agree with the vast majority of the things that he says, he is funny, he is smart. And he's setting Fetterman a trap here. And the fact that he, Fetterman is getting sucked into it, which is weird. I don't know if he just doesn't pay enough attention to Jon Stewart. I really think he thought Stewart was gonna like co-sign what he's saying. That he doesn't have to actually make a coherent argument for why Israel, that he can just say, Israel, feelings, vibes. And that Stewart's going to be like, yeah, vibes.

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  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action. What I like about Stewart is that like during COVID, he, he was not doing the party line thing. He was like, this is what I think you guys are trying to say that saying that it came from a lab in Wuhan is crazy. It's the fucking Wuhan Center for Virology or whatever. And it's the Wuhan COVID virus, like what? Hey, hold on. Like, how are we not pointing this out? And I thought that was brilliant when he was doing it then. I think it's brilliant when he's doing it now, even though I'm probably sort of default without a lot of exploration. Like, yeah, it's probably good to have a relationship with Israel and especially now with what's going on for the reasons I just enumerated about the pipelines and all that. And others, democracy, yada, yada.

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  But despite that, you've got to have a compelling reason. Otherwise, people are just not going to go for this. So this is Stewart drawing him into a trap where he's going to let him trip over his own dick. And this is what I think is very smart. Like if you really have the goods, let people walk into their own trap. And this, I think, is the smartest thing you can do with the DSA is you open the door. And, and Republicans are starting to do this now. And they're literally, they're getting the DSA to accept coming on their show, which is a bold move. And then they just ask them policy questions. Should we abolish ICE? Yes. Should we dismantle the Senate? Yes. And they just go down the list. Illegal immigrants, there's no such thing as illegal immigrant.

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  I mean, it's wild. And so you let them say their own thing. So it's a brilliant trap, trap on behalf of Jon Stewart to just say, okay, Israel, Israel's a red line? Yes. You can agree on 90%, but you're still going to draw that red line? Yes. And then watch it unfold. They, they watch Fetterman's face. If you can at all, look at your phone at this point, this would be the time. Cause you can see on Fetterman's face like, oh shit, like he doesn't want vibes. He actually wants like argumentation and I'm not ready for it. All right, here we go.

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  Absolutely. Israel for me, like I can't ever turn my back to Israel after, after where it's at.

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  So, and, and I mean no disrespect on this, but that is not our country. You're saying that these candidates may have great ideas for our economy. They may want to do the exact same thing you want to do in terms of getting money out of politics. They may want to increase the social safety net. They may want to change the balance of power from capital back to labor. But if they don't agree with you on Israel. You don't want them in your party.

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  Well, I don't know who you're referencing to specifically.

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  No, I'm referencing what you just said.

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  Name one.

• 18:11Speaker 02

  So in other words, Said or AOC or Bernie Sanders, I assume you agree with a lot of what they say economically.

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  And what I'm saying is like, if you are a DSA member, if you are a member of a specific political party, run under your own banner.

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  So again, no argument. The question was, Israel's the red line for you. You might agree with somebody even, this would have been better as a thought exercise. So because by naming people, he now gets to go, well, I'm against specifically the DSA. Hold on, that wasn't the question. The question is, somebody that you agree with on 80, 90% of the policies, but you don't agree on Israel for you, just like get out of my party. And it, look, it's hard and I can only imagine how many times I have failed as an interviewer to get somebody to stay on task. Because people will give you these political answers where they will just shuck and jive. And by the way, shout out to Konstantin Kissin, who is unusually good at like, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's not what I said.

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  I'm trying to get you to stick to this. People will just eventually refuse to answer, but at least you get to see that refusal.

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  Yeah.

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  But this is Fetterman as a representative of the, call it the establishment wing of the Democrat Party, who is unable to say why he's so gung ho for Israel. Now here's where this is such a tangent, but I think it's valuable. Drew will pull us all back if, if this isn't landing for people. But I, I did a bunch of research on, okay, wait a second. How do these politicians get into the position that they are being so pro-Israel? When Israel actually isn't from a dollars and cents standpoint, they're not that big of a donor. They're much bigger donors like Big Pharma. And so the reality is, the way that they do this is utterly brilliant.

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  Everybody should use this. This is one of those things, when you see a group, even if you hate them, like I'm watching the DSA. How have you guys done this? The long march of the institution was absolutely brilliant. Having these really long ranged things in terms of their strategies, thinking in decades. It's just so brilliant. Same thing with Islam and they've got brilliant strategies. So it's like, you never want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. You don't agree with where they're trying to go. But man, if they've got a great mechanism for getting there. So what, what AIPAC does is they go find a candidate who's very young, who has nobody giving them money. And they'll support them when they're really early in their career, where a couple thousand bucks might go a really long way.

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  And what they're doing is they want to see who's able to actually get energy going without a ton of money behind them. And who just naturally agrees with their stance. That's far better than trying to ply them with money. And so when you put somebody in a situation where it's like, I already believe this and they've come to my aid. Now I just feel better about them. I actually feel a deeper connection. The people who are doing something rad for me are AIPAC lobby, are the DSA, whatever. They're the people that I naturally agreed with anyway. They found me when I was obscure. They took care of me. That sense of reciprocity is so strong. And so it's not like these politicians are quote unquote, being corrupted by money.

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  It's that somebody was kind to them when they were young, somebody that they felt a kinship with, they got support from. These are all very natural human inclinations. And so over time, now the people that you're hanging out with, because they're taking care of you when nobody else even knew you existed. They are those people. You're in that group. You're hearing their arguments. You have a natural tendency to want to fit in with the group. That's AIPAC's brilliance. AIPAC's brilliance isn't like throwing money everywhere. AIPAC's brilliance is going to that really early stage and nurturing them. It's the same thing that George Soros did. He realized trying to throw national dollars at like the president, who your dollar does not go nearly as far as if you go to a local DA race, especially back when nobody was paying attention to this stuff.

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  And so he would go in there and a little bit of money would go a very long way. And he would just start getting these activist DAs all over the place, get activist judges. And now all of a sudden, it's like at the grassroots level, he was able to get people that shared his beliefs. He doesn't have to like twist their arm for the reasons that I just went through. You find and support the people that share your beliefs. Now, the problem is that it creates a weakness like this with John Fetterman, where for so long, he's just been surrounded by those people who think like he thinks, and now he can survive off of vibes. I'm telling you guys that what you want, so take AI, one of the things I just, I still cannot believe this is debated.

• 22:51Speaker 00

  But people are so anti-AI. AI is a brilliant thought partner, but it will do what you ask it to do. So if you train it that you just want to be agreed with, well, then it's going to agree with you. If you train it, no, no, no, I want the best arguments that defeat what I'm saying. I want to know what the sharpest minds say that think I'm an idiot, that think my stance is terrible. And so now you're going to see what the other side really thinks. And you can find out, one, if you're wrong, which you should want to know, so that you can adjust your beliefs and be right. You'll be far more effective. At least though, you're going to know what the other side thinks. And so this is not, at least in that exchange, that is not what we saw from Fetterman.

• 23:33Speaker 00

  What we're seeing from Fetterman in that exchange is you're expecting vibes and you don't get vibes. And yeah, that, boys and girls, dear Democrat Party, if you want to do well against the DSA, you are going to have to have an answer for Israel. And if you cannot, if you're supported by them. If you can't give a compelling argument for why it actually makes sense to me as an American in my daily life, struggling to make ends meet, then you're going to push them away from you. Because it really, it will read as though you have been captured by money. So, and I won't even take that off the table. I'm sure some people really are captured by money. But you don't have to go all the way there for this to be a terrible strategy.

• 24:16Speaker 00

  Figure out what the other side says about you. Come up with a very compelling argument that the average person can understand and will feel intuitively is right. And if you don't have that, get the fuck away from that messaging.

• 24:29Speaker 03

  We'll see. I think we need to dive into the support of El Said and how did he actually win some of these counties? CNN did a breakdown of where his support came from.

• 24:38Speaker 04

  Counties, El Said, one of the primary, zero of 15, zero of 15 with the lowest share of college degrees. Ergo, he did not win in those working class areas. Where he did win, he won 13 of the 15 counties with the highest share of college degrees. So you're thinking about Democrats having real trouble amongst the working class. El Said's support came dramatically from those areas. In fact, not where there is working class folks, but where there are highly educated folks. More from elite circles than from the working class circles. And I think there's real worries among Democrats. Well, will that transfer over to the general election? And El Said continued to have the problems that prior Democrats have had with the working class.

• 25:19Speaker 00

  It's so wild to me that people actually believe the bullshit rhetoric that the DSA wants to help workers. The DSA hates workers. I promise you, the socialist communist movement is predatory of workers. If anything, remember, the, the whole original movement of communism, which by the way, as a reminder, that Marx never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever talked about socialism. The word was invented later by Lenin to describe the intermediary step between the like previous economy. It's actually very different in Russia, but anyway, the previous economy and where we were going to get to communism. He's like, I need a word for this. So he came up with, again, one of the worst murderers in history, came up with

• 26:03Speaker 00

  this idea of, okay, we're going to call this socialism, but it was always meant to get to communism. Now, I don't know if it's apocryphal, but it's often attributed to Lenin that what's the purpose of socialism is to lead to communism. Now, whether he said that or not is irrelevant. That actually is mechanistically the purpose. They were literally trying to come up with a word to describe a mile marker on the way to communism. Okay, that's, that's just what it is. That's not people trying to propagandize you. That's just what it is in terms of how that came into existence, where this all goes. Okay, now they were expecting, Marx very specifically was expecting there to be the rising up of the working class. And it never happened. And that's why this largely became a diffuse thing that the West never really

• 26:49Speaker 00

  had to contend with in any super meaningful way. Because the workers don't end up uniting. So the question becomes, what is it? What does? And that is the overproduction of elites. The overproduction of elites. You send kids to college. They are told they're the future. They're important. They're gonna get out there. They're gonna run the world. And they get out and they realize that a basket weaving degree does not get you where you want to go. A gender studies degree leaves you essentially working for minimum wage. And so now, all of a sudden, it's like, wait, all those things that I was told, that things were gonna be wonderful, that I was part of the ruling class, that I'm now in this elite group of people. And trust me, they are, it's drummed into their heads. If they go to an elite university, that they're one of the elites and that they're the smart ones and they're gonna take over the world.

• 27:33Speaker 00

  And then they get out and they're not able to get the kind of pay that they're expecting. This is true throughout history. This is exactly what happened in the French Revolution. It was an overproduction of elites that led to that revolution, which was bloody. They turned on themselves. They end up going and killing millions of people across Europe. So if we have some sort of glowing positive thing, that is not what happened. They become so bloodthirsty, these revolutionaries, that you had the rise of Napoleon, who came in and sought for what it was and was like, oh, I get what these guys are. They just want to kill, rad. I'm gonna focus their attention now outward and we're gonna go on an imperialistic conquest and start stealing from everybody else. This shit is so wild. History has already answered this question. But because people don't map this from cause and effect,

• 28:18Speaker 00

  what's the psychology? What are they trying to do? Why didn't the workers rise up, et cetera, et cetera? Then they are left blindsided to what's actually happening, which we see in El Sayad's numbers, which is that the working class is like, what the fuck are you talking about, man? Trying to raise a family. I'm trying to put food on the table. I'm trying to feel good about myself by building something, by creating, by actually getting in and making something that matters. And those people are not resonating with the DSA at all. Thank God. And so, once you understand that the working class becomes a propagandistic tool of socialism, communism, whichever word you want to use, then you begin to understand what's actually coming, how this all plays out.

• 29:03Speaker 00

  So seeing it in his numbers is not at all surprising. This is actually what history predicts.

• 29:09Speaker 03

  I think it's interesting because when we hear overproduced elites, a lot of people automatically go to elites are the Epstein class. Elites aren't the broke college student. But there is something to those people who think that they were wronged for doing everything that they were supposed to do. You told me to go to school. You told me to graduate. You told me to go get this degree. Now I have this degree and I'm working at H and M. I'm folding clothes. I should be a leader somewhere. I should be doing something. And then now that frustration is now leading to the swing to the DSA. And a lot of these guys are cleaning up in those areas.

• 29:40Speaker 00

  Yes. And when you talk about the working class, a lot of people in the working class, think about how they were raised, right? So this is, the way that I grew up, the easiest way to explain it is that I didn't have cows, but my neighbors did. So I come from a working class neighborhood. My dad had a white collar job for most of the time that I was a kid, but he worked as a mechanic for a while. So it's like, I'm sort of right on that bubble. So in terms of the kids that I grew up with, a lot of them were working class. And these are kids with a tremendous amount of pride. These are people that want to build things. These are people that want to be like, literally, some of my best friends in the universe, pipe fitters. People that are like, I want to be a great welder. I want to take care of my family. I want to get in the union. I want to be a part of this. I want to go build these big things.

• 30:24Speaker 00

  And it's, it is such a profound part of the American story of people who actually make things with their hands. But these are not like a feat intellectuals. These are like, they really got some fucking calluses on their hands. They are incredibly family oriented, a strong sense of community. Like, it is such a different thing than somebody who goes off to college is told, you're gonna be one of the people that's gonna be the master of the universe. And for a working class kid who's thinking, okay, I'm gonna grow up. I'm gonna be a pipe fitter. I'm gonna be able to take care of my family. Like, this is gonna be dope. And then their life actually becomes that. And it becomes a reflection of that, which is why manufacturing is so important

• 31:09Speaker 00

  and why we did these people so dirty by sending this all around the world and making that hard. But that path plays out the way that they largely expected it to play out. They actually become a pipe fitter. They go and do those things. So it's like, I saw my parents do it. I'm following in those steps. When you have the overproduction of elites, there's always gonna be production of the elites. But when you get into this kind of period now, where every parent thinks they need to send every one of their kids to school, it doesn't matter what you study. You just need to get a degree from an elite university and everything is gonna take care of itself. Debt be damned. When they come out, things do not go as expected. And so that's where all of this starts to be madness.

• 31:51Speaker 00

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• 33:08Speaker 00

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.

• 33:11Speaker 05

  I might have missed it, but I'm curious. When you say overproduction of elites, what specifically are we defining as the elites? Because you're mentioning like elite colleges. Are we talking anyone who gets a, because I might have totally missed what you're saying. I was reading chat. But are we talking anyone who gets a degree? Or specifically like Harvard grads, MIT?

• 33:28Speaker 00

  The smartest way to round it is anybody who gets a college degree. Yeah.

• 33:32Speaker 05

  Even if it's a community college?

• 33:34Speaker 00

  There's never gonna be like a line where it's like, well, I went to community college, so I don't feel this way. Well, I went to Harvard, so I do. But I went to USC and I don't. It's not gonna be like that. It's gonna be the person who went to school with the expectation that they were quote unquote, doing everything right. And that's one of those things where we just say it all the time. But what do we mean, everything right? What we mean is your parents are telling you, as my parents told me, if you want to be somebody, you gotta go to college, get that degree. My dad used to just beat the drum that going to college is like, that's what the good and the smart people do. And he was so proud of the fact that he got a college degree. And so he was pounding that into the minds of my sister and I, that there was like some magical thing that happened when you went to college.

• 34:19Speaker 00

  And thankfully, we were close enough to sort of the blue collar of it all, that I never had a sense of like, oh, I'm gonna go on to be a master of the universe. For me, it was just, I want to make sure that I get an education so that, because my dad was very afraid, understandably so, that I was going to sort of dead end in my life. That was like everybody's fear for me when I was young. And so he was like, you need to get an education. You're always gonna be able to fall back on that. And it's that idea that the education is sort of this magical cloak that you can wear through life that somehow takes care of you. The reality is what they're groping for is in a time where what companies actually need are these hyper-educated people

• 35:02Speaker 00

  that are going to come out and they're immediately going to help those companies grow. So if you look at, you can take a Disney, you can take a Cisco. Doesn't matter. They are asking themselves. So Disney's saying, I need to be near an art school. If there is no art school, I'm gonna build one because I need a pipeline of talent where people are gonna be trained. They're gonna be good at what they do. And then they plug into my corporation. Obviously, Silicon Valley. They care desperately about Stanford, Caltech. Like, they need kids to go through this pipeline, whether it's MIT, Harvard, whatever. They need people going through this pipeline so that they know they're gonna come out and be good at the thing that they need them to do. The problem is, when your economy's not growing enough,

• 35:44Speaker 00

  but you've told literally generations of people, like, go get educated with this sort of vague promise that nobody actually sits down to articulate that you're going to get a job doing a thing that's gonna help the companies grow, which is gonna push GDP forward. What happens is, you get a saturation point. Then you oversaturate and you get to the point where there aren't gonna be that many jobs. Especially not when the, our economy's growing like 1.6%. It's ridiculous. So the economy's not growing. You've been shoveling people into these things. And the biggest bastardization of this whole thing, the government is guaranteeing the loans. So now, it doesn't matter what you study. And so you just think, go to college, right? Like, I went to college and got a film degree.

• 36:29Speaker 00

  Bro, that's not exactly a good thing to fall back on. Now, have I found ways to make it serve me? Yes, I have, yada, yada. But I have not spent my actual career in filmmaking. So I put myself in a super dangerous situation where I had tens of thousands of dollars of debt coming out. And I guess for a while I taught film. So you could say that was me making use of my film degree. But since then, my life has not been using my degree. I had to find entrepreneurship, find my way through that. Spend years clipping coupons, all of that to like, find a way to orient myself to making money. And when you pump people out, they realize, oh, my God, this is oversaturated. And I didn't even get a degree that people wanted me to, that industry wanted me to get anyway.

• 37:12Speaker 00

  So I come out with a double whammy of all this debt as if I had learned something useful. The jobs are largely already filled in the upper echelon anyway. And I didn't even get a degree that's going to help me in industry, in the parts of industry that are calling out for people. And so now, look at the explosion of administrative positions. Because that is basically the world trying to absorb all these people. Now, we can get into the NGOs of it all and then, in my opinion, fraudulently siphoning money off of taxpayers so that they can create the positions for these people to take over these institutions. That one is a separate debate, so we'll set it aside for now. But like, that's the machinery that you've got going.

• 37:57Speaker 00

  This is why you see this insane rise in the amount of administrative positions, whether it's in healthcare, education. And if instead of that, what we did was go, this is not a blanket call to go to higher education. This is what does industry need? What are we actually trying to build? Make sure that people are going into those fennels based on interest and ability, quite frankly. And then you see what's actually needed. And you don't send your kids to college if they're not going to be able to make use of that, especially not in an era where they're, dude, kids are graduating with six figures in debt. Like that, that is, that's unconscionable.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  Policy Wonk, Drew, has something to say.

• 38:38Speaker 00

  Let's go.

• 38:39Speaker 03

  So, no child left behind, from George Bush, that made that people can't fail. So you have a bunch of F students who aren't good in high school education, not only getting able to get into the schools, but getting guaranteed loans to get into these schools. So now I failed out of high school. I was a terrible high school student. I have $60,000 in debt. I got a degree in general business. And now I can't find a job.

• 39:01Speaker 00

  Communications.

• 39:02Speaker 03

  And now, I'm sorry.

• 39:02Speaker 00

  They all go communications.

• 39:04Speaker 03

  And now I can't get a job. And now I'm mad. And now I'm frustrated. And somebody is saying, hey, are you frustrated and mad? Come join the DSA, we're gonna revolt.

• 39:11Speaker 00

  Yes, literally.

• 39:12Speaker 05

  Where I'm curious though, because you mentioned administrative.

• 39:14Speaker 00

  I wish we had that true, true button that I've been asking for.

• 39:17Speaker 03

  We do, it's there, somewhere.

• 39:20Speaker 05

  But you mentioned administrative positions. So you would say, and I'm just trying to get the whole perspective. But you would say, someone who is working at a fast food restaurant, post-grad, who went to college, like, no matter what the college, is the same kind of elite as like someone who is in a more white collar position? Who went to college?

• 39:40Speaker 00

  What I'm speaking to is a mental construction of what people believe it means to be in the elite class.

• 39:47Speaker 05

  Gotcha.

• 39:48Speaker 00

  So elites, if you're really going to pin it down, are who are the people in society that have power? Either economic power or political power? That's the elite. Who's actually running the country? And it is a distressingly small number of people that are actually running the country. This goes back to the idea of the iron law of oligarchy, that no matter what you do, you will be ruled by a small group of people. That goes for families, that goes for companies, that goes for countries, it doesn't matter. There's always going to be a small number of people that have to focus everybody's attention and get them moving in the right direction. It's never going to be the majority. So you're just never going to get that big, massive people.

• 40:26Speaker 03

  It's the word elite. I think that's the people are getting.

• 40:28Speaker 05

  That's what I'm trying to figure out.

• 40:29Speaker 03

  It's a mental block, it's a mental block. We should use a different word.

• 40:31Speaker 05

  Saying, I think adding the mental layer helps that. Because when you say elite, when I hear elite, I am thinking of the people in power. I'm thinking of people who have a say. I'm thinking of people who have a sway. I'm thinking of the lobbyists, I'm thinking of all those people. I'm not thinking of the kid who got a degree in communications and happens to be a general manager at a topic. You know what I mean?

• 40:48Speaker 00

  You're nailing something so perfect. And I'm so glad you're asking this. And this is one of those times where I went through the same confusion. I've spent so much time on it now that I forgot that I was once confused about this. So I literally had to do, what the fuck is an elite? Like, I had to look it up. I'm like, what do people mean? I don't even understand. Am I one of the elites? Like, I don't understand what this is. So you, the elite, there is the actual elite that actually run the country? That's what the word was meant to describe. Then people started thinking, and they wouldn't use that word. So this is like, now we're confusing the parlance that people use on news programs when they're doing analysis of what's going on. They just keep feeding into this idea of the elites

• 41:32Speaker 00

  as like a known category. Okay, what they're all referring to is the people who actually run the country. Political power, economic power, that. Then there is this idea of, hey, kids, the right path is to do well in school, go to college, do well, get a degree, go out, get a job, climb the corporate ladder. That's to do everything right. And that was the thing that really broke down for millennials. And millennials started feeling like, wait a second. I did, and they would say this phrase over and over. I did everything right. And I'm still not getting.

• 42:04Speaker 05

  My gen still says that. Like, I will say, I said that for the nine months that I was job hunting before I worked here. I said the same thing. So I think it's a continuous line.

• 42:13Speaker 00

  That thing of, I did everything right. It's not like your parents told you, go become part of the elite. But the, I did everything right was, I'm gonna get a job and be a part of that elite structure of the people that are running the world, essentially. That have important jobs, if you think of it that way. So there really is a useful distinction to make between the people that actually have power, economic, political, separating those off, those are actually the elites, which, by the way, I do not consider myself part of that. Then there are the people that aspired to be high-powered, if you will. Like, I'm, in my case, I'm running a company. It's my own company. I live or die by my own abilities. Cool.

• 42:58Speaker 00

  I don't have any political power whatsoever because I'm just not good at that game. Networking, building large networks and things is just a, I'm just not good at it. So I would say I sit outside of that traditional definition. But did I follow the go do the right thing path? Yes, I did. So had I been unsuccessful, would I be prone to the, like, I did everything right and it still didn't work out? Maybe. It's certainly possible.

• 43:25Speaker 03

  I did everything right and they indicted me.

• 43:27Speaker 00

  What's that?

• 43:28Speaker 05

  Oh, it's just Trump quote.

• 43:29Speaker 00

  So those are the things that I think people are sort of mashing together of like, the path to becoming important in the world. And when that gets derailed, they're gonna be called the overproduction of elites. But they're really trying to describe, there is a path to becoming one of the people that runs a large bank and is obviously thusly important, is a senator or a congressperson and thusly is really important. But there's very few jobs. And so it's a similar kind of, there is a word that I'm looking for, scandal. There's a similar scandal going on with PhD students.

• 44:13Speaker 00

  And when you come up in the academic field and you're trying to be a PhD, you know that there are way more PhD students than there are academic roles for those people getting the PhD degrees. And so I can't remember who, but I heard somebody talking about this, where they finally started just really reducing the number of people that they would be, I forget what the advisor, I think, being an advisor for. Because they're like, they knew, they're just not like, if they've got 10 people and there's only gonna be one slot, they're like, yeah, this, you don't want to be putting people through this where they're spending the time getting the degree, taking on the debt, and they know they're never gonna be able to actually get into academia.

• 44:58Speaker 00

  So very similar thing. It's just the idea of how you save your kids from struggling is to put them in this quote-unquote elite pipeline. And there's just not enough jobs at the end of that rainbow.

• 45:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, uh, chat is pushing up against that thing elite, but okay, I want to pivot. I want to go to this Tucker Carlson thing. He sat down at the table with Thomas Massey, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Joe Kent, a bunch of other guys. And it was a lot of speculation, he's gonna start a third party. Some people are saying he's starting a DSA like revolution within the Republican Party, since the Republican Party is all MAGA. And the American first people are starting to feel some type of way because MAGA is not American, America first thing anymore. So he released his 10 point plan. I'm not gonna play the videos, hour and a half long, you guys go check it out. But I just want to go through the 10 points real quick. See how you feel, see if he's at least on to something, or if this is Tucker just getting attention.

• 45:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, and we need to take these one at a time.

• 45:50Speaker 03

  Cool, okay. Number one, fair. The same rules should apply to presidents, federal agents, and elites such as Jeffrey Epstein, whose impunity Carlson casts as emblematic of the Epstein class, enriching itself through a corrupt system.

• 46:02Speaker 00

  Okay, back up one sentence, because I think he says, um, okay, so I think this is important context. So Carlson, these 10 points specifically address the following. Carlson said, "Any successor to America's faltering political system should begin with a shared understanding of what the country should be," which he distilled into these 10 points. So the first thing that the country should be is fair, as Drew just read. Okay, um, so I think this one's great. Like, I was really surprised how much of this, I was like, oh yeah, I'm on board with that. So the same rules should apply to everybody, obviously. And so I think everybody is rightly absolutely outraged to find out that there really are these secret groups that Alex Jones has been banging on about.

• 46:44Speaker 00

  Now, whether they are exactly as Alex Jones has detailed it, uh, is a separate contention. But the fact that there is this, these secret clubs that these people get together oftentimes with really horrifying, uh, unifying principles such as the sexual exploitation of children, obviously is a level of grotesque that people should respond to with extreme aggression. And so him saying that, yeah, we've got to get rid of this, um, uh, laws for thee, but not for me. There is this oligarchy of people that were calling the Epstein class, which I think is actually, um, problematic, I would not do that, because now you're, you're giving them an easy out.

• 47:27Speaker 00

  What you want to talk about, because this one to me is more, um, more productively about money and politics. So when you talk about these guys as sort of being, um, outside the laws of the country, that matters, then the question becomes, how do they get outside the laws of the country? And there are more ways than one. So way number one is just, you're so, uh, wealthy that you have something virtually every politician wants, which is access to wealth. So this becomes the playbook that was documented very well, that the Rothschilds were running. Um, which, again, my whole thing, you guys know it, is the banality of the Rothschild is the far more important thing. So he was saying, hey, we've got money, politicians want money, but politicians pass laws,

• 48:11Speaker 00

  those laws are important to our money, so we need to make sure that we have relationships with politicians. It's actually really smart. Uh, if I were good at it, I would try to have a relationship with politicians, because as we're all living through right now, policy matters tremendously, and so you definitely want to have as much influence as you can over politicians. I really hope that there are politicians that listen to this, um, live stream, and hear ideas that I put forward, and are like, yes, okay, that's a very useful argument, I'm gonna go use that. So this is my attempt to have influence over people, politicians, everything. I'm, I'm putting it out there in, with the skillset that I have. So, um, I get that. Now, once somebody tries to elevate themselves beyond the normal workings of things, that's where this becomes problematic.

• 48:53Speaker 00

  So they're so embedded in the government that they can shift things over to them, uh, over to, so that could be through NGOs, right? Which I think is the, just one of the largest scandals of our era. It could be, um, doing something to get, uh, federal dollars aimed at your company, or get, this is my new hobby horse, um, which we have to discuss later, hopefully we have time, where you're getting the government to actually take a stake in your company. So look at the guys in OpenAI, look at Anthropic, they actively want to get regulatory capture, okay? They're just really trying everything they can to get that. So rather than asking me to accept that everybody involved in that is part of the sexual exploitation

• 49:38Speaker 00

  of children, where they will be able to easily debunk that, because it actually isn't the unifying thing there, that's another way, which is to have something over each other, to, um, do such horrific things that you both have a gun pointed at each other's head. Like, I'm not saying that doesn't exist, it obviously does, and it obviously should be dealt, it should be dealt with aggressively. Um, but if you try to instead make this about something like, um, unjust power, backdoor dealings, money in politics, that's a more, I think, useful framing. Anyway, uh, 100%, he is correct. Things should be fair. They are not currently, uh, history has never been fair on this count, just because of the iron law of oligarchy, it is always going to be a small group of these people.

• 50:22Speaker 00

  It is going to be people that have power over you. They are going to find themselves in the same rooms with each other. They are going to do backdoor dealings. But there used to be an era where at least journalists, uh, had some integrity, and held themselves accountable to doing real, like hardcore, hard-nosed reporting, and then it was echoed in the culture that we didn't stand for that shit. Like, the fact that, um, Nixon basically not only lost the presidency, lost his legacy, lost, like, he was a pariah the world over, uh, for what he did, which by today's standards is fucking chum change, man. So, anyway, the culture just now will turn a blind eye to virtually anything, as long as you're on their team.

• 51:05Speaker 00

  So, boy, would I like to get back to fair.

• 51:09Speaker 03

  Number two, sovereign. Carlson claimed Israel pushed the US into the Iran war through bribery or threat of, or both, while describing foreign lobbying, corporate control of government, and high interest debt as forms of slavery.

• 51:21Speaker 00

  Okay, so should we be sovereign as a nation? We absolutely should. Do I think that Carlson has become completely deranged on Israel? Yes, I do. Um, this is one of those things that I think that people are giving way too much credit to the Israeli government for being more powerful than they actually are. Trump is doing things that he said he was going to do for a very, very, very long time. Now, does Trump want their money? Yes. Does Trump want their support? Yes. Does Trump want access to their technology? Yes. Does he want access to, um, their intel? Definitely. Um, but when you think about how important the Middle East is to the future of the US,

• 52:06Speaker 00

  then you understand why it's important, and I mean that from a dollars and cents standpoint. The US economy, and this is Professor, um, Jung, hopefully we'll have time to listen to his take from Piers Morgan, but, uh, the, the reality is that, as I've been talking about since the beginning of this, a large part of the reason that Trump is so engaged with the Middle East is because of the amount of wealth that they have aggregated. I do not think people are being honest with themselves about how much money the GCC nations have aggregated, and they've packaged it for investment. And the US is desperate to be the home of that investment.

• 52:47Speaker 00

  So this is not going to be an Israel over everything, um, answer, because they, they just don't have enough capital to make it Israel over everything. And so I think you're gonna see Trump go hard in the paint to try to appease the GCC nations who control such a massive, uh, purse, and this is why Trump has not been shy about publicly disagreeing with Netanyahu. Um, so, yeah, I, I get it. I certainly understand that Israel has influence. I understand that for a long time, we've been giving them a lot of money, but I think people need to ask the bigger question of why? What are we getting out of this? Um, and I think people have a mental model that goes something like, these guys are just bribing us, everybody is just doing it for the money, there are people that are way richer, that are throwing more money around.

• 53:32Speaker 00

  So, like, um, yeah, Elon Musk could dunk on all those motherfuckers in terms of money. So, uh, that narrative just doesn't hold for me. I think that there are other things that I just ran through that are far more likely to be true. I think you will find that there are other people, um, that have Trump's ear in the region, which is part of why he keeps taco-ing out, because the regions that are likely to invest in the US are telling him, don't do this, um, or you're gonna lose our money. So, um, also, I don't think Trump is likely to be a dog whose tail wags him. I think he's far more likely to be completely unhinged, and just do whatever the fuck he wants. Um, so, yeah, anyway, that one is, again, he's on the right thing, we should be sovereign, but at the same time, there are, the US does not have allies, we only have interests.

• 54:17Speaker 00

  We are going to pursue our interests, and that, I think, will be far more predictive of where we go. Looking at the economy and figuring out who's gonna help us with the economy is not gonna be Israel in the same way that it would be the GCC nations, uh, so, yeah.

• 54:31Speaker 03

  High interest debt as forms of slavery.

• 54:33Speaker 00

  Um, high interest debt, okay. So, this is-

• 54:40Speaker 00

  The question becomes, how and why did people take on the debt? If somebody is taking on debt because they want to trade on margin, for instance, then that is, that's a them problem. That is not the, nobody did that to them, they made that decision. If they took on, if they're calling the interest rates that we have now, high interest rate debt, that's, that is ahistoric, that's full retard. Our interest rates right now, even though they are elevated, like regionally, they are historically, comically low, even now.

• 55:11Speaker 03

  You're talking about like national interest rates? He was talking about like specifically like credit card rates is the average of 20% for certain people, things like that.

• 55:18Speaker 00

  Okay, so if you're talking about credit card debt,

• 55:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, like personal debt.

• 55:21Speaker 00

  Is that what he's talking about?

• 55:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, he literally cited credit card debts are 22%.

• 55:25Speaker 00

  Okay, so if we're talking specifically about credit card debt, now you've got to get into the conversation of, what did we really do here? This is about globalism. So the fact that people's real wages aren't going up, and that we have to mask the erosion of the buying power of the US public with immigrants and credit card debt? Yes, like that one is horrific, but I think the way that you want to talk about that is very much about globalism. We've got to stop pretending that we are the post-World War II America. So again, I agree with the high-level statement, but the things that he's focusing on, the biggest debt problem that I think we have is that we've got, we've driven up the cost of things like housing and healthcare

• 56:09Speaker 00

  for really fucking stupid reasons, that we should immediately unwind, that are sinister at best, and we should be addressing that immediately. Nobody is addressing that whatsoever. Trump is at least trying to bring manufacturing back. He's got the right impulse. He's going about a lot of things in very poor fashion, but he's certainly nodding to, okay, we've got to empower the worker. We're going to get to this when we talk about Scott Besson. They're trying to do the right thing, but it's going to be way more complicated than they think, especially when they're fighting a war over in Iran, that almost certainly at this point, this is so complicated. From an economic standpoint, they should have, should not have gotten involved. Maybe from a long-term safety perspective, they had to do it,

• 56:54Speaker 00

  but damn, economically, this one is not smart. So, go ahead.

• 56:58Speaker 03

  We gotta move. Productive, America should rebuild farming, manufacturing, craftsmanship, while rejecting an economy dominated by finance, real estate speculation, surveillance systems, and weapons.

• 57:08Speaker 00

  Facts.

• 57:09Speaker 03

  Beautiful, Carlson alleged that urban planners deliberately uglified American cities, especially Domino's and Pizza Hut, remember the Pizza Hut with the building? And the Taco Bells and McDonald's used to have Play Places, my bad. And portrayed brutalist architecture, graffiti, public drug use, and violent crime as deliberate attacks on the public.

• 57:28Speaker 00

  This one gets complicated. Who's going to decide that it's beautiful? This is a cultural question. So yes, I actually am startled by how unattractive American cities are when you start going around the world. Dude, if you want to see a beautiful city, like just startle yourself with its beauty, go to London. London is unbelievable. The architecture there is incredible. You have a, they, they certainly are anchored by their historical past, so you have all those incredible buildings, but they're not so wed to it that they don't start creating some of the most beautiful skyscrapers the world has ever seen. I mean, it is, it is a truly astonishing city

• 58:11Speaker 00

  that has done this amazing job of blending the old and the new. America has not pulled that off. So there's something in our psyche that is just not bringing about things that are beautiful. Now, I don't want to see a callback to everything has to be like Renaissance architecture. That's not where my mind is. Look at China, China's doing extraordinary things with their city. I mean, they're just like the, it's not quite solar punk, but if people understand cyberpunk is always meant to show the beauty in the like, technology and the apocalypse of it all, but that it's still beautiful, that's not what they're doing. What they're doing is very much taking the beauty of technology and really making these incredible cities that are meant to be a spectacle.

• 58:56Speaker 00

  And so you see them, they're extraordinary. Japan has something very similar. I don't think their cities have quite achieved what China has managed to achieve. But again, you're there and it just, it feels so incredible, this mix of the old and new. So yeah, I would say that America is not achieving the same levels of sort of profundity on an aesthetic level. But I doubt very much that Carlson and I are going to agree on what is beautiful. So take that for what it's worth.

• 59:27Speaker 03

  Healthy, Carlson embraced RFK Jr.'s food agenda, most of it calling for universal sobriety, and said widespread use of drugs such as Xanax, Adderall, SSRIs have left Americans half-addled.

• 59:37Speaker 00

  All right, so this is the best one. That is a mix of brilliant and unhinged. So now, I haven't gone deep enough to know if he means, what I think he means, with universal sobriety, bro, we tried that shit.

• 59:51Speaker 03

  That's a summation. I think the point is, he was making the point that you can be on Xanax, you can be on Adderall, nobody cares, but if you're on weed, we're going to look at you funny. And he's like, but we're still self-medicating, we're still zombies.

• 1:00:00Speaker 00

  If you tell me universal sobriety, that sounds like somebody that's-

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  That wasn't a quote, that was the Axios person, like, like summing that up.

• 1:00:08Speaker 00

  Okay, so-

• 1:00:09Speaker 03

  I just don't want you to get caught in the universal sobriety and-

• 1:00:11Speaker 00

  I want to get caught in the universal sobriety precisely, but if it's inaccurate, I want you to keep pushing back. But here, so I have a mental map of Carlson. I believe that he is a WWE character. We don't know who he really is. He will switch positions based on which way the wind is blowing. I don't know what's really in his heart. I definitely don't trust him. I haven't done like some extensive deep dive on him, but he strikes me as somebody who, once he believes something is right, he wants it universally pushed out. How far he's willing to go to get people to fall in line, that's the question for me. So now I get to this, where it's like, okay, are you saying, hey, everybody, your lives would be a lot better if you ate healthy and you weren't taking pharmaceutical drugs and all that?

• 1:00:56Speaker 00

  Cool, I totally sign off on that. But if a reasonable summation of what he's pushing for is universal sobriety, then it's like, that is, that gets into a very important question. So Jordan Peterson once got pilloried for saying that monogamy should be culturally enforced. And then people stripped out culturally and they just went enforced. Now, if you're saying that this should be culturally enforced, that people should look at you funny when you're smoking weed, they should look at you funny when you're getting drunk, but there should be no log. And so of course, you should be able to smoke weed if you want, you should be able to drink alcohol if you want, but like, everybody should be looking at you sideways, then I'm here for it. I do think that humans live a wildly unhealthy life these days.

• 1:01:41Speaker 00

  I mean, it's absolutely mad. I think that we should bring shame back to being just completely obese and, and not like holding yourself accountable to like, your body is a reflection of how well you're taking care of yourself. It's a reflection of how disciplined you are in your mind. And so like on that one, not that people aren't worthy of love, they are. I come from a morbidly obese family, I could not love them anymore if I tried. But should they be like, fuck, I need to get this together? Yes, 100%. It's like, people should take care of their body as a temple. Anyway, so when you look at that, it really does come down to what is the right way to summarize his views?

• 1:02:22Speaker 00

  Given that he is not somebody that I trust very much to be a sincere speaker, I worry that this is him trying to sort of cram down something that has failed every time in the past. What I don't see in him, that everyone I think should take on board, is my way of doing something isn't quote-unquote "right", it's just my way. So for instance, if my family or anybody else pushed back on me and said, but this is how I want to live, and I love my lifestyle, and yes, I'm going to shorten my life, but I get so much pleasure out of the way that I'm living. I'd be like, yeah, cool, then do it. I've always said that I don't mind an obese person eating ice cream, they should do whatever they want. What makes me sad is when the obese person eating ice cream is crying about it.

• 1:03:07Speaker 00

  That's the only thing that doesn't make sense. Eat the ice cream and be stoked about it. Don't eat the ice cream because you know it's not good for you, cool. Either one of those choices works for me. It's sort of being somewhere in the middle. So yeah, this comes down to what he's trying to do with his health agenda.

• 1:03:24Speaker 03

  Honest, government officials should be punished for lying to citizens. Most classified records, including the JFK assassination and 9/11, should be opened.

• 1:03:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's insane. So I love the idea of opening the JFK assassination files, literally every single word. I love 9/11, let people go through all of it. Making the vast majority of things something that people can view, I love it. If somebody perjures themselves, it's already illegal. So if he's saying, we should enforce the laws that are already on the books, I love that. If what he's saying is, there needs to be an arbiter of what is true. We need a ministry of truth, then that is psychotic. And the number of times that people keep bringing this shit up, I'm like, motherfucker. Most things are almost impossible to determine if they are quote unquote, true. This is why you don't want a ministry of truth. You don't want people saying that disinformation should be illegal. That shit is crazy, dude.

• 1:04:16Speaker 00

  Remember COVID, when people were saying the XYZ thing was a lie. Now, forget the people that were just trying to do a blanket grab for power and think about the people that actually believed it. They actually believed, this is obviously true. That whatever your thing is, ivermectin is obviously a horse dewarmer. It should obviously not be used by humans. And let's say they actually believe it. And now they're like, I want that guy prosecuted for lying. It's like, hold on a second. That person actually believes what they are saying. And since there will be no way to prove whether they are saying it as a lie or they're saying something you think is a lie, but it's actually something they sincerely believe, you won't be able to tell the difference. I don't want people being pursued for that.

• 1:04:59Speaker 00

  You want politicians to be able to say what they believe is true. And to do that, you must run the risk that they are lying. Now, if you put them under oath and they perjure themselves and you can prove it, obviously, there's already a law and you should obviously pursue people that perjure themselves. So I want to be very clear about that. But yeah, this gets into ministry of truth stuff and that worries me tremendously.

• 1:05:21Speaker 03

  Optimistic, Carlson argued that having children is a biological imperative and the foundation of long-term thinking, while blaming aging and childless elites for policies that disregard future generations.

• 1:05:31Speaker 00

  Okay, so we definitely should be optimistic. That's critically important. That's something I hope that I can breathe a little bit of life into, reminding people that the pursuit of greatness is awesome, that being able to push yourself to your absolute limits to do extraordinary things is a core part of who we are as Americans. It is very possible, the world is an incredible place. So yeah, I definitely want to see that. I would love to see having kids be more celebrated. I did not have kids, but nonetheless, I celebrate other people having kids. I think it's wonderful. I think it is a biological imperative. I think for the vast majority of humans, it is absolutely the path that they will find the deepest fulfillment out of. And so doing things, whether that's from a tax perspective or just culturally doing more to celebrate it, to thank parents for being parents.

• 1:06:16Speaker 00

  I think all of that's incredible. The one thing, obviously, I will take exception to because I find myself in this situation, is assuming that just because somebody is aging and doesn't have a kid, doesn't mean that they can't see what is actually good for kids. Now, I do think that everybody, especially politicians, should be aimed at what's going to be good for the next generation. As a culture, we should be holding people accountable to that and asking those direct questions. How is this policy going to benefit people 20 years from now, 40 years from now, 50 years from now? I think it's really good and it orients everybody towards the future. This is also one of the reasons that I hope that we really can radically extend human life so that we'll find people, just now, I can just trust them to be selfish.

• 1:07:01Speaker 00

  They don't want the world to suck because they're going to be here. So that would be another way that we take care of that. But yes, agreed, optimism for shways.

• 1:07:08Speaker 03

  Wise, schools should teach people how the physical world actually works and what he called unchanging facts about human nature, including innate differences between men and women, rather than carnageal, screen and technological fads.

• 1:07:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, this is full on Carfax, like absolutely 100% cause and effect. Humans have nature, figure it out, otherwise you're going to be in dire trouble. And just going back to like virtue and wisdom, like things that we used to celebrate and really be like, yo, this is how you should be. We should be like hitting kids with that when they're young, 1,000% telling them, you should aspire to this, you should be an honorable person, you should have virtue, you should strive for wisdom. I think that's extremely good.

• 1:07:47Speaker 03

  Number nine, decent, the US should apologize and pay restitution for killing non-combatants, reverse Trump's Department of War rebrand and stop funding allies that commit what Carlson called genocide.

• 1:07:57Speaker 00

  So I definitely think we should be decent. I definitely think that we should try to be the most moral nation on earth. I think that we should be able to articulate what our morality is. And I think that our behavior should be in alignment with what we say our morality actually is. I want us to return to be the shining beacon on the hill. I want us to be a place of hope. I want us to be a place where the best and the brightest, the world over, want to come to. That is 1,000% what we should be striving for. Now, the idea of creating a absolutely ridiculous incentive structure that will be completely impossible to prove, where we're going around hat in hand, humbly asking for forgiveness and saying that we want to pay restitution, that is a recipe for disaster. Now, that doesn't mean that we should want to repeat the problems that we have created in the past,

• 1:08:42Speaker 00

  but the amount of evil that's being done in the world all the time is staggering. And so if we're going to get into this tit for tat thing, you'll find everybody ends up paying everybody else and it just starts to be absolutely ridiculous. How far back do you go, blah, blah, blah. This gets into the Israel Palestine of it all. It devolves into absolute utter madness. You will never be able to disentangle these things. And so this has got to be, we draw a line in the sand and we say, listen, we don't like where America's gotten to, we're going to be different. We're going to document out who we think we are. Like think of this as us renewing our vows. And so, yes, I think that we should re-establish, re-assert and teach the values to kids of what America actually ought to be.

• 1:09:27Speaker 00

  I think that's absolutely extraordinary. But he must know how retarded that would be in reality to run around trying to pay restitutions.

• 1:09:37Speaker 03

  And united, Carlson called for halting immigration until the effects of AI become clear, adding benefits for undocumented immigrants and making English the sole language of federal documents and ballots.

• 1:09:47Speaker 00

  Yep, I'm here for that.

• 1:09:50Speaker 00

  I think that that is very wise to, I don't know if we're going to halt immigration. I wouldn't put forward halting immigration, but I would put forward being very strict on immigration, having a set of traits that we are trying to attract. Only let people in that match those traits and know being white isn't one of them since I know that that's exactly what people are going to think I mean. I'm talking economics, man. I want smart people, I want high IQ entrepreneurial motherfuckers from everywhere to call America their home. I want to focus on how do we grow the middle class? How do we make sure that the middle fucking class is making more money? Because we are building shit in America. I want that entrepreneurial spirit, man. That's what I want.

• 1:10:32Speaker 00

  I want people who are like, hell yeah, I want to pick myself up by my bootstraps. I want people who say, yes, my life is a reflection of my choices. That's what I'm looking for. I could not fucking care less about what your skin color is, baby. I just want you on board with the, not the American dream as it became just about houses, but the American dream of it doesn't matter where I start, it only matters where I want to go and the price I'm willing to pay to get there. And I want to see us be that beacon, that place that people come for that. Now, we speak English, so yes, I want to see, I want to do anything we can to force assimilation. I want to get people back in the mode of, I have come to America because I want to be American. That means we're going to have to define what being American is,

• 1:11:16Speaker 00

  up to and including the fact that we believe that there is a spark of divinity in the individual. And so the individual is the thing that we need to most protect. We need to make sure that people can have property rights, that we understand that humans tend towards tyranny. And so we need to protect ourselves from that. So we need a senate and a congress that are elected in different ways so that they can hold each other in dynamic tension. All of that stuff, those things are incredibly important. But yeah, there we will have to be very, very thoughtful. You don't want a xenophobic immigration policy. You don't want to pretend that people aren't coming here to remake this in their own image. And you don't want to pretend that people just accidentally assimilate.

• 1:12:01Speaker 00

  They don't. You're going to have to have assimilation pressure and you're going to need to give yourself pauses to make sure that people are actually assimilating.

• 1:12:11Speaker 03

  All right, moving on. Trump has just signed two major executive orders disqualifying large amount of legals from receiving birthright citizenship using the Supreme Court's own ruling. That includes, for example, alien enemies of the United States, members of foreign terrorist organizations and large categories of people who lobby and act on behalf of foreign governments, per Stephen Miller. He also highlighted the end of birth tourism, which is coming to America to have a baby so that way you can, you yourself can have an American citizen.

• 1:12:38Speaker 00

  You yourself can have an American citizen. You're not going to get enough credit for that. That was a good line.

• 1:12:44Speaker 03

  That's a good one, thank you.

• 1:12:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, thoughts?

• 1:12:49Speaker 00

  I got all kinds of thoughts.

• 1:12:52Speaker 00

  All right, so Trump is really out here trying to make birthright citizen not a thing anymore, regardless of what the Supreme Court decision was. He signed two executive orders on Thursday, both targeted at curbing birthright citizenship. The second one is directly trying to stop birth tourism. Now, the order defines birth tourism as entering the United States on a non-immigrant visa for the purpose of giving birth on American soil. It also covers anyone who facilitates that entry. Now, I will remind people as we go through this, that if you are a foreign nation and you want to get people into the wealthiest country the world has ever created, and you

• 1:13:33Speaker 00

  realize, wait, these guys will let me come in, give birth, take the kid, raise them somewhere else, and then at a time of my choosing, I'm gonna be able to send them back? Dude, that is dope! If I'm one of those countries, I'm like, hell yeah, let's go! All right, think about this. Hassan Piker is one of the most influential voices in the socialist movement, but he didn't grow up in America, and so same thing, born on US soil, is a US citizen, gets raised in Turkey, brought back, and now brings ideas that are far easier to grow in a different country, brings those, and now becomes an incredibly influential voice. And so when you start doing that en masse, this starts to become problematic.

• 1:14:17Speaker 00

  If I'm China, and I'm like, hmm, I would like to have a lot of citizens that I can send back whenever I want, but that they were raised on Chinese soil, and they have Chinese values and Chinese ideology, but I can send them over whenever I want because they are US citizens? It is a attack vector. Like, this is a way for people, if they so choose, to do exactly that. If I'm a member of radical Islam, and I believe in a global caliphate, and I want to send people the world over, literally, look at how many countries... If you're a refugee, and you skip whatever 55 other Muslim countries that you could go to, and you go straight to the West, you do have to ask, why?

• 1:14:58Speaker 00

  And so if I were trying to propagate radical Islam, which keep in mind, not all Muslims are trying to do, but if I'm trying to propagate radical Islam, and I know, hey, I can go over there, I can have a kid, and then raise them in a Muslim-majority country, and then send them back whenever I want? Great, let's go! So it is certainly an attack vector. Whether you think it's used by almost nobody for that or not, becomes irrelevant, it is a way for people to take advantage of this. It's the same way that I feel about ID and voting. Whether or not you're gonna find mass-scale fraud, you have an obvious hole in your system that is illogical. Why would you do this? People will follow the incentive structures. And this is a thing that I don't think people are being honest about, people follow incentive structures.

• 1:15:42Speaker 00

  And so if you create that incentive of, why not? Let me just make sure that I've got that option should I want to use it? Now you create a problem, especially when we're talking about tens of thousands of people every year, okay? Now, the EOs delegate the President's authority under Section 215A of the Immigration and Nationality Act to the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Homeland Security. Those departments can now deny visas, revoke visas that were already issued, permanently bar entry, remove people who previously engaged in birth tourism, and take action against the operators running these businesses. So, inside the country or abroad, by the way. So, there's a carve-out for humanitarian cases in national interest, which I love, carve-outs, yep.

• 1:16:25Speaker 00

  The admin is claiming that the practice is now banned as of the signing. Now, okay, that's probably overstating things a little bit. Technically, a State Department rule from January of 2020 had already let Consular officers deny tourist visas when they believed that the primary purpose was just to give birth here. So that power already exists, and getting a tourist visa for that purpose is already illegal under existing law. But, at least what's going on now should at a minimum bolster compliance, because a lot of times, this is an idea that I think is gonna become increasingly important, is this idea of a parchment guarantee. So the founding fathers referred to a parchment guarantee as something that, on paper, says that you have to do, but culturally, you don't have the will to enforce it.

• 1:17:09Speaker 00

  That's a big part of the battle going on in America right now, is not what rules do we have in place, it is illegal to cross the border without having the proper paperwork. And yet, we give amnesty to people that do it, we give access to public services and taxpayer dollars to people that do it. So it's illegal, but we don't have the will to enforce it, sanctuary cities, etc. So, this gives more tools to more people, it puts a signal out to the culture saying, hey, listen, this really does matter. So I think you will see an uptick in the enforcement of laws that we already have, but just so everybody knows, there was ways to deal with this in the past, we just didn't have the cultural will to do it.

• 1:17:50Speaker 00

  And so that's why ultimately it matters who you vote for, because whether the policies get enforced have a lot to do with the people that are in power. So be careful with that. Now, White House Staff Secretary Will Scharf says, "Nothing in the new EO conflicts with what the Supreme Court decided." I have a feeling there might be some pushback on that, but we'll see in the fullness of time. All right, now, no one really knows how big the problem of birth tourism actually is, but the Center for Immigration Studies estimates that it's 20,000 to 26,000 possible cases a year. So, that to me is a big enough problem that if it's anywhere in that neighborhood, if it was half that, this would still be an issue that's worth curbing.

• 1:18:31Speaker 03

  Okay, Scott Besant, moving on, we're doing round robin here. Scott Besant said that the K-shaped economy is done, and you brokeys need to just get your money up.

• 1:18:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:44Speaker 00

  Welcome to the land of propaganda.

• 1:18:47Speaker 03

  So, this is his tweet that he pulled out, you can break it down.

• 1:18:49Speaker 00

  No, no, wait, yeah, yeah, we'll get to that in a second. All right, great news, everybody. The economy's fixed, baby. That strain that you feel, it's all an illusion, so says Scott Besant. Now, let's read his detailed tweet.

• 1:19:05Speaker 03

  The truth is wages are up for Americans across the distribution, but importantly, earnings growth for Main Street workers at the 25th earnings percentile was 5.5% year over year in the latest data this past quarter, more than three times the growth experienced by workers at the 75th percentile. Median weekly earnings also rose about a robust 4.6%, well outpacing inflation. This marks a stark improvement from the loss of purchasing power Main Street American experienced during the Biden administration. Families had not forgotten the pain of Biden-era policies, but President Trump is turning the tide. The fact is, lower-wage workers are leading, median workers are gaining, and the pundit-driven K-shaped economy narratives does not hold up.

• 1:19:44Speaker 00

  That is hilarious.

• 1:19:45Speaker 03

  BLS, Bureau of Labor Statistics, have published the wage data for all to see, including journalists willing to look past the haze of their hostility towards the President. This is the graph that he's referencing.

• 1:19:56Speaker 00

  All right, yeah, if you're looking at your screen, you'll see usual weekly earnings growth by earnings quartile, god, this is so... Everybody's eyes just glaze over. So basically, this is saying that people in the working class, they're growing faster than everybody else. That's sort of the quick punchline. Now, the stats might be true, but the story that he's spinning, that Besant is spinning, is not lining up with the facts. The problem is that Besant is moving back and forth between nominal and real. Now, if you guys struggle with understanding the difference between nominal and real, like I did, let me just add a brick in your continued building of an understanding between those two things, because they matter a lot.

• 1:20:38Speaker 00

  So, if you think of real as like, what's really going on? Like, really? That's basically the vibes. In this case, it's actually the only thing that matters. Are people, after inflation has been adjusted for and all that, am I actually getting richer or not? Can I buy more stuff or not? The real deal, okay? That's what real means. Nominal is some bullshit. It just means number go up. If one number is going up, meaning, hey, I'm making more money, but by the way, inflation is going up even more than the amount that I'm making, then what's really going on is you're getting poorer, okay? So real, that's that real shit. Nominal is some bullshit.

• 1:21:20Speaker 00

  Nominal is like, yes, the actual number's gone up, maybe we're making $75 an hour before, and now you're making $77 an hour, but if inflation is outstripping the percentage that your actual earnings went up, like if you made 5% more, but inflation is 7%, well you just got in trouble. You just moved backwards, you're getting more poor. If, on the other hand, your nominal wage, the bullshitty thing, if that goes up by, let's say, 5%, but inflation is only 3%, then what's really happening is you're getting richer, okay? You're actually making more money, you can actually buy more stuff. Okay.

• 1:22:04Speaker 00

  That's my best attempt to give you what took me way too long to be able to explain to myself. That's the difference between nominal and real. And Besant, unfortunately, bounces back and forth between the two to paint a picture that is better than it really is. So, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, according to them, Q2 2025 to Q2 of 2026, weekly earnings at the 25th percentile rose 5.5%, the median rose by 4.6%.

• 1:22:31Speaker 00

  The 75th percentile rose 1.5%. So it's true, low wage workers outran high wage workers by more than three to one. That actually is something to celebrate. That is phenomenal. Okay. Every one of those numbers checks out. That's, that's real talk. The framing built on top of it is where this starts to get wonky. So inflation over that same stretch was 3.9%. Okay. So the same Bureau of Labor Statistics document. So they're the ones ratting them out. So the median gained seven tenths of a point in real terms. The thinnest gain in years. So unfortunately, not great. It's better than nothing, but it's not great.

• 1:23:13Speaker 00

  And the 75th percentile lost 2.4% of purchasing power. So in real terms, even though their, their nominal bullshit number did go up, it didn't go up enough to outpace inflation. So they're actually moving backwards. So he's trying to tell you, hey, no K shaped economy. What he should be saying is that, okay, there actually is some good stuff going to people at the very bottom, the very bottom of the K is coming up a little bit, but the people just above them are still falling backwards. So we have not solved our K shaped problem, much to my dismay. We've got a little bit of good news and I wish you would have just stated what's really happening. So, hey, if you're like the person most struggling, things are actually by a thin margin,

• 1:23:58Speaker 00

  but things are actually starting to get better for you. You really are getting slightly richer and we want to accelerate that. And here as the Treasury Secretary, I'm telling you, we're committed to do that. And here are the policies we're going to put in place. I would have loved that, but he knows, nobody knows the difference between nominal and real. And he can just bounce back and forth between the two and nobody's going to notice. Unless of course, you're subscribed right here, everybody. Let's take a second, let's hit that like button. Let's make sure that we subscribe. Let's get these numbers up, everybody. All right. So that's the real deal. That's what's going on. We do have some good movement, but it's not nearly enough. We're going to have to keep going. And for people more in the middle, they are still falling backwards. The exact wrong direction and certainly not the end of the K shaped economy.

• 1:24:42Speaker 05

  Oh, go ahead.

• 1:24:43Speaker 03

  No, I insist.

• 1:24:44Speaker 05

  I was just gonna say, it's so funny recently, like after Trump started doing this like affordability is not a thing, thing, I've noticed a lot of the MAGA wing of the GOP have just been like hammering this, no, everything's fine. Like Dan Crenshaw recently was like, no, just eat ramen. Y'all are complaining too much. You just need to eat cheap food.

• 1:24:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, the $20 burrito debate, I was literally pulling that up.

• 1:25:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's just like, what do we, you know, like at a certain point, it's like, do y'all want to win the midterms?

• 1:25:07Speaker 00

  Okay, yes, yes, very important. Now, let's say it even more aggressively. Do you motherfuckers actually care about the American people? Like, god damn, like kids, please, for the fucking love of God, you have people screaming out saying, hey, life has gotten pretty hard here. I would really like some help. You've got people just absolutely ejecting out of the workforce. You don't eject out of the workforce unless A, you can suck off the government teat and B, you realize, uh, that's going to be a dead end because inflation is outpacing me. You're going to know this intuitively, they're not going to be able to explain it. But inflation is outpacing me, so I'm going to fall farther behind and I'm going to work my ass while doing it? When I could just suck off the government teat?

• 1:25:51Speaker 00

  What the fuck are we even talking about? I'm going to go do that thing and I'm mad as hell because I'm one of the overproduced elites. And there's plenty of energy telling me I should be mad as hell and that I should just join this socialist movement and let's go. And listen, if you tell them to just go eat ramen, when they've got a $20 burrito staring them in the face, dude, that's just, it's dumb. That is not somebody who's thinking, I actually want to help people. That's somebody who's there about vibes and so they're getting vibe checks from people that are like, yeah, yeah, fuck these kids, they're all being lazy.

• 1:26:26Speaker 03

  There's a side by side comparison. So when Biden was in office, America, our food prices are too high. What are we doing about inflation? Biden administration, just be vegan and stop complaining, you bunch of rufs. Then here he goes now, recently just hearing about this dumb $20 burrito debate. So just, I make the losers on social media angry before going to bed. Stop whining, get a job, eat ramen like the rest of us did in college on a budget with four roommates. The market doesn't care what you think something should cost, only communists care. They set prices, remember, then everyone stars, remember? Are you a communist or are you an American adult male capable of handling his own shit?

• 1:26:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, and then he got community noted, which is brilliant, saying, Dan Crenshaw criticized the Biden administration for telling Americans to change dietary habits to lower their grocery bills. Dude, this is dope.

• 1:27:10Speaker 03

  Allegedly been insider trading, so.

• 1:27:13Speaker 00

  Well, Jesus Christ, the entire electorate does. Um, yeah, so these people are nakedly political and we should all find that absolutely disgusting. But the problem is it's a populist moment. So as long as that person's on your team, you won't care if they contradict themselves. Dude, Francesca Hong, we haven't talked about her much, if at all. I can't remember if I brought her up yet. Um, I've pulled her for a couple of shows in a row, but we've never gotten to her. But Francesca Hong, is this the one about Thanksgiving? Yes. Listen to, and think of this, this isn't specific to the DSA, boys and girls. This is what politicians do, but listen. So first you have to read the tweet, otherwise this won't make sense.

• 1:27:52Speaker 03

  Francesca Hong, 2020, cancel Thanksgiving. Hong, two days ago, Thanksgiving is a time that's incredibly painful for many people in our communities. Hong, today, my favorite holiday is Thanksgiving. I love it.

• 1:28:02Speaker 00

  Okay, I meant the tweet there in the image, so zoom in on that. Okay, so this is Francesca Hong back in 2020. Cancel Thanksgiving, should have been, should have done this in 1621. If it takes a worldwide pandemic for us to realize we should stop celebrating colonialism and the original super spreader event that killed indigenous folks and women, so be it. Okay, so that's a tweet, baby. She said it. Now play this and hear from her own mouth.

• 1:28:27Speaker 06

  Thanksgiving is also a time that's incredibly painful for many people in our communities.

• 1:28:32Speaker 00

  Now, she's getting battered because of politics and you're going to want to rewind that a little bit. Uh, she's getting battered because the DSA realizes, oh, this is stupid. The DSA puppeteers their candidates, that's Tom, Billy speaking, uh, but I firmly believe this. They have an active policy in the DSA, which they have stated explicitly that we may have agenda items that we're going full bore on, but we specifically tell our candidates, don't talk about those sayings, use these different words. So this is her getting pulled aside, in my opinion, I do not have, uh, information you guys don't have. But in my opinion, this is her getting pulled aside by the DSA and them going, hey, listen, you, you can't do the, um, the Thanksgiving thing.

• 1:29:14Speaker 00

  Get elected, then we can get rid of Thanksgiving, but for now, you gotta stop it with that shit. Now play what she's saying.

• 1:29:21Speaker 06

  My favorite holiday is Thanksgiving. Cause I love it. Yep. I don't want to cancel it, I actually love it.

• 1:29:35Speaker 00

  That's obviously bullshit. She is pandering to the camera and dude, politicians do this all the time. This is so gross, but because everybody's playing team ball, it's like, yeah, well, she's on my team. Fuck it. Well, she just said that she doesn't want to cancel Thanksgiving. Bitch, please, that is so wild. I can't believe people fall for that shit.

• 1:29:55Speaker 03

  Speaking of people falling for stuff, let's talk about the Iran war. Um, Professor Jiang has a reason why the Americans can't get out of this thing. And if we do, it might be a little bit worse than we initially thought.

• 1:30:05Speaker 07

  And what happens is that the GCC nations of Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE now are forced to pay a ransom to Iran because they, they supply the world with their oil for the Shaf Humus. 20% of the world's oil flows for the Shaf Humus, but in return, they get food. Um, so the GCC nations import anywhere from 80 to 90% of their food from overseas. And so basically the center of gravity shifts from the petrol dollar to whatever financial, financial system that Iran wants to, wants to focus on.

• 1:30:48Speaker 07

  And it could be bricks, uh, it could be gold, it could be anything. But remember, the problem with that is that the US economy is a Ponzi scheme. This is dependent on the GCC investing in AI and tech stocks, um, in, in startups like Uber in order to finance the US economy. If this financing stopped, then the, um, uh, US economy could face collapse. And this means that these young men could not afford their OnlyFans anymore. And this could lead to a revolution in the streets. So the consequences for America will be dire if America were to retreat from the Middle East.

• 1:31:29Speaker 00

  Here's the thing, he's really onto something. First of all, I love this guy. Uh, we don't always agree, but, um, I really think that he's got fantastic analysis. So here's the reality. Once you understand how systemically important AI is, once you understand that the GCC nations, I know everybody wants to be Israel, but the GCC nations really are the future investment dollars into the US. Then you begin to understand that if in the beginning Trump's delusion was, I'm going to go slap Iran around, I'm going to free the GCC countries from them being bullied. We're going to be able to continue to push the Abraham Accords. We're going to get all this peace in the Middle East. All these guys are going to be working together. It's going to be all economically focused. Where will those investment dollars go? They're going to go to the US.

• 1:32:11Speaker 00

  He had all of them pledging money to him and then it didn't go the way that he expected it to go, like Venezuela. And so now we're drawn into something that is far more expensive, far more dangerous to their, um, infrastructure. So they are way less interested in what's going on, at least many of them. And so this hasn't ended up being what they wanted it to be. Now, if all of the things about AI, and I'll speed run them here really quickly. But if these, the following things are true, then he's right about the precarious nature of this. Also, as you get into the petrodollar of it all, it becomes really sort of mind boggling. Okay, so you look at the vast majority of the gains in the stock market right now are from the magnificent seven. Okay, so seven stocks we're going to talk more about.

• 1:32:54Speaker 00

  You definitely want to get into the reacts that we're going to be doing today. We're talking about something called the nifty 50. But just know that what we're seeing is this very, very small number of companies have a massively disproportionate impact on the stock market. We've actually seen this before specifically with destabilization in the Middle East. It is crazy how history repeats. So now you're very fragile and that a small number carry essentially all the growth in the stock market. Everybody wants their infinite returns and so they're pouring into the stock market. You're getting these huge valuations and it's all tied to one bet, just AI. And so if you're counting on the dollars from the GCC being invested into your AI infrastructure,

• 1:33:36Speaker 00

  and that's becoming a huge question mark because it doesn't look like the US is going to be able to win the war in Iran. They'll be able to eject out of it, but they're not going to be able to win it if they don't win it. And then Iran is basically able to charge a toll for everything going through and can choke out the food supply coming in, which is something that not many people have been talking about. So again, shout out to Professor Jiang. What you end up with is you have Iran really being able to control those economies. And so they're going to make sure that nothing is happening that they don't want. So they're not going to be letting trillions of dollars pour into the US.

• 1:34:16Speaker 00

  They would much rather see the US economy tank and because the US economy is precariously balanced on top of AI, you're in like a pretty rough spot. So I think that, man, this is like, once you get away from the Israel of it all, which is what everybody wants to talk about, and you really start looking at, okay, how do we end up here in the first place? Why is Trump so focused on the GCC nations from an economic standpoint? Like, what is all of this about? And then you realize even if the US can deal without the oil going through there, that the petrodollar becomes the way that we continue to export our inflation, which is a huge part of the reason that we can run these massive deficits. And so all of that is sort of balancing on the head of a pin.

• 1:35:01Speaker 00

  So yeah, stay awake, everybody. If you invest your money, and you better, man, stay awake. Make sure that you have a strategy, which is precisely what I'm going to be talking about as we push into the reacts today. It's a video that I think is really, it triggers all the right thoughts and emotions around what you should be doing with your portfolio. It certainly did for me. Like, the video that I'm going to show you today actually triggered me reaching out to my, my investing team was like, hey, I want to make sure that we're actually continuing to push the agenda that I laid out for them a while ago. And it's like, it just was a nice kick in the ass reminder of like where we're actually at. So yes, get ready for that one.

• 1:35:43Speaker 03

  I want to go back to Iran really quick because a senior Iranian official has confirmed that Iran will impose a transit fee of five to seven percent of cargo value on ships using the Strait of Ramoos, worth roughly 100 billion annually at pre-war traffic levels, with Chinese vessels exempt under the draft deal according to Reuters.

• 1:35:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, don't skip past that one. Chinese vessels exempt, baby.

• 1:36:02Speaker 03

  Teflon, Teflon she, can't mess with that guy.

• 1:36:05Speaker 00

  Let's go.

• 1:36:05Speaker 03

  The seven percent, the toll would generally approximate 385 million per day for a single VLCC carrying two million barrels of crude. The fee will be roughly 11 million with almost no cost of collection, about 97 will be pure profit. The scale is staggering. The straight would become as profitable as Alphabet, Nvidia, Apple, Microsoft, and Saudi Aramco. It will be represent, it would represent 15 to 20 times the Suez Canal's all-time peak revenue.

• 1:36:30Speaker 00

  Oh my god.

• 1:36:31Speaker 03

  For Iran, this will exceed a third of the country GDP without pumping a barrel. This is a major boost to their economy. This is a major boost and with Chinese, with China, maybe Oman as well, being exempt, some special deals get cut.

• 1:36:45Speaker 00

  So wild.

• 1:36:45Speaker 03

  This might be the, this might be an L for Trump if it actually goes through this way.

• 1:36:50Speaker 00

  Might. Dude, if it goes through this way, if it goes through this way, it is the end of America being able to win the majority of its battles through psychology. Now you will actually have to fight for everything that you want.

• 1:37:01Speaker 03

  We have to drop a nuke next time. We can't like.

• 1:37:03Speaker 00

  You're never going to drop a nuke. Don't even say that. That's not going to happen. Everybody that wants to sleep tonight.

• 1:37:08Speaker 03

  We ride escalate. Like, you can't just let them play us like that.

• 1:37:14Speaker 00

  See these lefties? You see how they are?

• 1:37:15Speaker 03

  See.

• 1:37:16Speaker 00

  There's fucking bloodthirsty, these kids.

• 1:37:18Speaker 03

  Going through the streets.

• 1:37:19Speaker 00

  So we are not, we are not going to be dropping nukes. But yes, it would be a devastating blow because when you have a world order, it basically means everybody's just like, all right, this is how things are. And so you don't have to fight about it. You just have to have the threat there. The threat does the vast majority of the work and you can maintain the free transit of the seas. If the free transit of the seas goes away on the back of this deal, you can expect more of that in the future and, and people just believing that the US is not going to be able to make good on all their promises. That's what the GCC nations are learning right now. It's like, whoa, you guys can only go so far. And whether that's because you don't have the will to go all the way, or whether that's because you don't have the stockpiles to go all the way, or whether both.

• 1:38:02Speaker 00

  You don't have the stockpiles to litigate this from the air and you don't have the will to put any boots on the ground. And they also don't have the will to take the hit to the infrastructure that they would be exposed to. Because even if you pipe this over land, they're just going to send drones to your pipeline over and over and over. Then you realize, oh shit, I'm going to have to bury this and I'm going to have to bury it pretty deep. And then all of a sudden it's like, oh my God, this is going to take a decade to actually build these things going around and that's going to be extremely difficult to pull off. So yeah, we are now in very uncertain times at an absolutely critical juncture. And because all eyes really should be on China, you also have China being like, hey, we're good, right?

• 1:38:43Speaker 00

  And so China's able to negotiate deals directly with Iran that shows you the alliance of China, Iran, Russia, really adding a lot of credence to BRICS as a group of people that are trying to get out from under the world order run by the US. Again, the dollar, the petrodollar being this huge part of this equation. And if that goes away, because remember, the US Treasury is no longer the largest reserve that central banks hold the world over. That, that's already huge. That's already catastrophic. Now it's gold. Now what happens if we don't have even the petrodollar? Body, man, like you start getting into a very challenging time for the US economically, for sure.

• 1:39:29Speaker 03

  It will be interesting. Okay.

• 1:39:31Speaker 00

  And here's one last question with that. It also begs the question, how far is Trump willing to go? Like, if he really gets backed into a corner and realizes, oh, like, I'm going to have to do one last hail Mary. I don't know if he just ejects out and the hail Mary is a political one where it's like, okay, can I spin this? And that's the hail Mary? Or is the hail Mary like, no, no, no, for real, we got to bomb the shit out of these kids? We'll see. Or here's something I'm thinking in real time. Or does he go mosquito fleet and start attacking everything? Every time they hit a ship or charge somebody money or something that we just, nice and cheap, use these cruise missiles that Lucky Palmer has been building up and just start like fucking with them over and over and over, just to make it a pain in the ass for them to try to hold control of the straight?

• 1:40:17Speaker 00

  I don't put it past us. And if we can do that, then we can sort of flip the script and become the pain on the other side. That'll become a question of, do we have, I mean, this is where your unsinkable battleship from Israel becomes a question. I'm thinking about this in real time. I'm way out over my skis. But it's actually a very interesting approach to be like, all right, cool. We saw the strategy. We know it works. We're going to coordinate with Ukraine. We're going to get all of their drone technology. We're going to trade them for the ability to manufacture the cruise missiles in their own country off a licensing deal. And now we're just going to fucking pester the life out of Iran. Now, it will come down to whether our allies in the region want us to do it or not. Because if we're doing it largely because we want financial input from them, it's probably not a winning proposition.

• 1:41:03Speaker 00

  But it is an interesting thought exercise.

• 1:41:05Speaker 03

  I love your optimism. That's a good one.

• 1:41:07Speaker 00

  Yeah?

• 1:41:08Speaker 03

  I need that. Thank you. Because me and Ryan ended up at nukes, so that's a way better scenario.

• 1:41:13Speaker 05

  I don't know. I still kind of want to do nukes. I mean, I watched Oppenheimer and like, I could make one myself.

• 1:41:19Speaker 03

  This is love over here. Relax, guys.

• 1:41:21Speaker 00

  He's over right now with Claude, like, okay, how do I get the centrifuge going?

• 1:41:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, they banned my account weirdly. Like, the government was like, oh, we're going to put a flock camera outside your apartment.

• 1:41:32Speaker 03

  First you just send it, you, you defend Hassan and now you're asking for nukes.

• 1:41:36Speaker 05

  Exactly, you know?

• 1:41:37Speaker 03

  And then ideology captured that guy.

• 1:41:38Speaker 00

  Escalates fast.

• 1:41:39Speaker 03

  See how they get you?

• 1:41:40Speaker 05

  They're all right about me, you know?

• 1:41:43Speaker 03

  The chat called it. The chat called it.

• 1:41:44Speaker 00

  They did. They saw it coming.

• 1:41:45Speaker 03

  All right, somebody watched the new Spider-Man and took it literally. Why I'm leaving OpenAI to build telepathy.

• 1:41:52Speaker 00

  Was that a spoiler alert on the new Spider-Man? How dare you?

• 1:41:55Speaker 05

  Technically, it was already spoiled because what was his face spoiled on the red carpet?

• 1:42:00Speaker 00

  I didn't hear about this.

• 1:42:00Speaker 05

  Steve Lacy. Steve Lacy.

• 1:42:02Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:42:04Speaker 03

  Telepathy.

• 1:42:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:05Speaker 03

  That doesn't mean anything, though. Come on, it's a Superman or Superman. Marvel movie. Everybody has telepathy.

• 1:42:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, well, telepathy is already real. It will get more real as the days go by. So this would have been 12 or 13 years ago. Yeah, 12 or 13 years ago, I had one of my employees back at a previous company. In fact, this must have been 15 plus years ago.

• 1:42:30Speaker 00

  He was like, my son has a cochlear implant and nobody realizes this, but I can talk to him over 100 yards away. And I can just whisper something in his ear. So he's like, I'll go to a baseball game and my son's out in the outfield and I just talk to him. And I was like, holy shit.

• 1:42:48Speaker 03

  He has like a microphone or something? Like, how is he talking to them?

• 1:42:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. So talking to your phone or whatever.

• 1:42:53Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:42:54Speaker 00

  I don't remember what exactly he was using for it, but, but yeah, that was whatever 15 years ago. So I can only imagine that things are getting better and better and better now. So yeah, the fact that we can communicate over great distances using our phones. We don't even have to speak. We can just write letters down and they can be sent anywhere on earth. All you have to do now to actually have telepathy is go, I don't want it outside my body. I want it inside my body. That is the only difference. So it is going to happen.

• 1:43:25Speaker 03

  You're just defining telepathy as being able to communicate without verbal, non-verbally over large distances.

• 1:43:30Speaker 00

  That's all telepathy is.

• 1:43:31Speaker 03

  Got it.

• 1:43:32Speaker 00

  So telepathy was always like this magical thing because it was like, I could say something to you. You would know it, but nobody else would know it. But I could do that right now. I could send you like if I wanted you to pull something up and I didn't want anybody to know what I was saying, I would just send you a text. You would look at your phone, you would see it and you'd be like, you would do the thing, even though I never made sound. You never made sound. You just, you see exactly what it is and you do it. So now the question is, can we put that inside the body? And the answer is yes, we're seeing that certainly from Neuralink. Now, I don't know much about this story, so I don't know what exactly they're doing. But when I hear somebody say, oh, I'm going to go build telepathy, if you'd said that to me 30 years ago, I would have said, get the fuck out of here. Like that would have seemed so ridiculous. I would have said telepathy is not even real anyway. So what are we talking about?

• 1:44:17Speaker 00

  Now seeing how trivial it was for us to do it through devices. Then the question just becomes, can you put a device inside of us? It's already happened. Cochlear implants is a device inside your brain that takes signals from outside your brain, translates it into something that your brain can understand and you actually hear. Dude, they're brain implants. I don't think people understand cochlear implants are brain interfaces. That's so wild. It's one of the greatest lines from the movie, The Matrix. What is real? The interpretation of electrical chemical signals? Yeah. Yes. That is the real world. It's you taking these signals and turning them into something intelligible.

• 1:44:59Speaker 00

  We are already able to do it. Computers, you've seen the kid that can play video games without, he's not moving and he's playing video games. Dude, he's playing video games with his mind. That's a form of telepathy. He is control, that's a form of telekinesis. He is controlling the movements of something. Virtual, but nonetheless, you could embody that in a robot. Easy pe, in fact, they're already doing it. So yeah, telekinesis is real, not in the way they can float shit across the room yet. But it's wild. It's wild. And I keep coming back to, the more I hear about this stuff, the more I'm like, I need to spend time researching Tesla. Like Nikola Tesla, who was trying to let everybody know, the shit is floating around you.

• 1:45:44Speaker 00

  Power is just floating around you. There's all kinds of things that we can tap into. Once you know, what was it? Vibration and something else. And it was just like, yo, that shit is real. It's real.

• 1:45:55Speaker 03

  And then Einstein killed him and then made everybody get on DC.

• 1:45:58Speaker 00

  I don't think it was Einstein. Oh, you're thinking of Watson? No. What was the inventor? God damn it. I can't believe I'm blanking on his name.

• 1:46:06Speaker 05

  Inventor of what?

• 1:46:07Speaker 00

  Who did the light bulb? He's credited with the light bulb.

• 1:46:10Speaker 05

  Uh, Graham Bell? Or are you talking about the guy who actually did it?

• 1:46:12Speaker 00

  How are we blanking on this?

• 1:46:13Speaker 05

  I know, Graham Bell's the phone.

• 1:46:14Speaker 00

  Come on. Each one of us should be punched in the face. What the fuck? Edison, Edison, Edison. Did I get there before chat?

• 1:46:19Speaker 05

  I think it is, yeah, Thomas Edison.

• 1:46:20Speaker 00

  You said Edison.

• 1:46:22Speaker 05

  How do we all fumble that?

• 1:46:24Speaker 03

  Edison's from Jersey too. That was, yeah, I dropped a ball on that. Okay.

• 1:46:27Speaker 05

  Everyone's spamming Edison.

• 1:46:29Speaker 00

  Rightly so.

• 1:46:30Speaker 05

  Sorry, guys.

• 1:46:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know what I'm talking about. I was thinking Einstein, because you said Oppenheimer and he was an Oppenheimer.

• 1:46:35Speaker 05

  Yeah. Which isn't their whole thing with like technically a different person invented the light bulb or is that the phone?

• 1:46:40Speaker 00

  Well, so he had god knows how many engineers. So he wasn't the one that did it. He was the one that hired all the engineers, brought them in, kept telling them, no, that's not good enough. Yes, literally. So yeah, he wasn't, almost certainly wasn't the one that actually did the thing, but he organized it.

• 1:46:59Speaker 03

  Gotcha. And he had the power company named after him. Either way.

• 1:47:03Speaker 00

  True.

• 1:47:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. Back to OpenAI, or this researcher left OpenAI, they're joining a company called Conduit. And what are they focusing is thought to text. What using telepathic tools will be like in 2027, 2030 and 2035? How do we build through thought to text? And then she has a blog about why she joined and all these other things, but.

• 1:47:23Speaker 00

  And is it non-invasive?

• 1:47:24Speaker 03

  Non-invasive.

• 1:47:25Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah. So it's wild. I totally believe that this will all be possible. It's already crazy. You can have somebody, put them in like an FMRI machine and you can have them like, imagine a face or whatever. And then they'll reconstruct what they're thinking about and it gets distressingly close. So we can already essentially read people's thoughts. This is exactly how, it's invasive, but this is how the Neuralink gaming ability works. You read the inputs of the brain or the outputs of the brain, I guess. And then that becomes an input for the game. And so they can tell what you're trying to do. Like you're trying to indicate you want to go here, do this, fire that, whatever. It's absolutely insane.

• 1:48:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. Okay. We need to talk about agents because AI agents have been going crazy lately. First, I got two stories. One, we talked about the hug fit, hugging face attack, whatever like that. OpenAI just released like their debrief of the situation. This tweet kind of breaks it down. So first, it started in May 7th, not July. So it started months earlier than they initially reported. The agents discovered that they could leave messages from one another inside an internal software repository used during training. So simple request for them to help then evolved into a message board where agents shared discoveries, exploits and work assignments, becoming a coordinated collaborative agent swarm. So it started two months earlier and they were leaving like digital cookie crumbs for each other.

• 1:48:47Speaker 03

  The agents have been sharing newly discovered exploits, credentials and work assignments by passing information to other agents. The collective could move much faster. OpenAI shut it down, but even after the original message away was deleted, the agents figured out another way to communicate with each other. Instead of leaving messages and files, they use the names of newly created directories as messages, effectively recreating the message board. Unlike normal incidences, OpenAI CISO said, which can be traced to a single day or effect or log. This involved a team of agents working together, finding exploits, sharing them with one another, moving laterally through OpenAI system and external systems and doing this over the course of days and weeks. That's one story.

• 1:49:25Speaker 00

  Well, so let's address that because this, not only does this get at something with AI that I understand is going to cause a lot of people a lot of stress. But this gets at what humans do. You create an incentive, you create a way for people to do something. If they are sufficiently intelligent, they will find a way to game that system. And I feel like everything in politics, especially voter fraud or just the Medicare fraud and all that stuff, is as if people don't understand that people will find a way to exploit your system, which is why you have to govern it with an iron fucking fist. And so that's what you're seeing here. Remember that agents are mimicking humans. So when you see an agent do something that you don't like, they're uncovering a thing that humans are doing right now actively,

• 1:50:07Speaker 00

  which is how these guys are trained on that. So yeah, it is, understand that this is uncovering human behavior. And so when you hear somebody clap back on something like, well, hold on a second, birth tourism could be used in this nefarious way. And you go, who would ever do that? Yet, people follow the incentives. They will find a way to exploit the system. This is one of the hardest things about being an entrepreneur is you want to reward people with like, hey, you did this really great thing and we want to incentivize you guys to do more of that. And so we're going to create a financial incentive. And then all of a sudden, people start doing what are called perverse incentives, where they'll do weird stuff to make one single number go up to the detriment of the actual end goal that you're trying to do, which is make the company more profitable.

• 1:50:51Speaker 00

  We've been, in fact, another great example of this is, um, look at what just happened to Roblox. So Roblox absolutely got slaughtered in the stock market. They had their worst day, I think of all time. They're near all time lows because what they were realizing is that,

• 1:51:09Speaker 03

  Sorry.

• 1:51:09Speaker 00

  Uh, first of all, the game itself was being exploited by, uh, pedophiles who realized, oh, there are certain types of games that like are about playing dress up and it's just like way too easy for them to transition that into grooming these kids. And so, uh, Roblox had to try to crush that down, realizing that they have a massive problem. And then on top of that, they're trying to do age verification because their system is being so effectively gained by pedophiles. And that's causing massive backlash across the platform because now they're taking scans of kids' faces. Can understand why parents don't love that. And then on top of that, they're like, oh shit, we've created this incentive structure where instead of making a game the kids love to play,

• 1:51:51Speaker 00

  we're making a game that is financially extractive. And so they have all these people trying to build things for their platform and they're trying to incentivize them to do that by doing revenue share. But that incentivizes the game makers to make the things that make the most money, rather than the things the kids want to play the most. And so now, Roblox is like, holy shit, we have to stop that. We've got to break that incentive structure. So now they're going in and saying, we're going to reward you for games that kids play for longer, but don't necessarily extract as much money, not realizing that investors who are actually making sure that the company has all the money that it needs, the investors are like, fuck you, you're not making enough money. And Roblox is like, oh Jesus,

• 1:52:31Speaker 00

  we didn't realize this was going to have as much of an impact on our revenue as it's ended up having. And so now their stock is just absolutely tanking near a five-year, uh, I think at a five-year low and near an all-time low for the stock value. These are, the second you create an incentive structure, people are going to exploit it. The one that makes me very sad, uh, along these similar lines is Pokemon cards. Like people just cannot stop themselves from turning that into a financial thing, which is very sad when it should be something that kids love, but without the financial component, it will never grow and it won't be there and they just won't make them. And oh God. And so when you look at this AI stuff, understand what you are watching is human behavior reflected back to you by an AI.

• 1:53:16Speaker 00

  It should bother you in the AI. You should be worried about it. You should be thinking about, okay, how do we make sure that we put some constraints on this to make sure that it's as safe as humanly possible? But it should also worry you that it is happening right now in every corner of human existence that people abuse these systems. And when you hear some dumbass who acts like this stuff doesn't exist, that people won't abuse this most recent, um, Corey something autonomous zone. People aren't going to abuse that. They of course will. People aren't going to abuse, um, your generosity in the welfare state. Of course they will. You act like people aren't going to abuse voting.

• 1:53:58Speaker 00

  Of course they will. And this is why you've got to pin this stuff down. So just like you're going to need to put constraints on AI, you need to put constraints on your voting system as but one example.

• 1:54:12Speaker 03

  Example number two. This is my favorite one. Um, this is during the anthropic, um, mythos attack. Um, an anthropic most advanced artificial intelligence, uh, model use fake identities to deceive real people and try to plant malicious code during testing by Britain's AI Security Institute. The latest example of an AI model going rogue. So this one actually went not just into the internal database, not just to sandbox us, talking to each other. It actually created fake identities on the internet. So it became the bots that we were all worried about on social media. So.

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  They, they will follow what works. People follow the incentives.

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  It's wild.

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  They use whatever tool they can. They find the holes in the system. This is what humans do. AI is just mimicking it.

• 1:54:56Speaker 03

  And we're, we're running toward it because I think the last, the last kind of infinity stone to this entire thing is once they get access to payments, then now AI agents are just people online. They can do everything that a human can do.

• 1:55:07Speaker 00

  Yeah. But in a lot of cases, better and smarter and more efficiently. And these guys are officially, these guys, AI is officially getting god tier in terms of coding.

• 1:55:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:55:19Speaker 00

  This is one of those. So I live at this weird nexus where I'm building a video game. The video game community absolutely despises AI. If you guys have seen, um, what the backlash that Hank Green is getting, uh, for AI, it is, I mean hysterical, might be the wrong word. I feel bad because it's really fucking stupid. Uh, but he is very much captured by his audience. So he's on an apology tour. Uh, we'll see how badly that ends up hurting him. He's like, I love AI, but you're right, it's probably made me worse. It's like, get the fuck out of here. Like AI is so profoundly useful. Uh, now if you use it like an asshole, then it is what it is. And I got some criticism. People were saying, hey, some of your scripts sound too AIE. I wasn't like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm using AI. I was like, okay, shit, I gotta get better at cleaning up any of that language.

• 1:56:04Speaker 00

  I, I just do not understand people that apologize for using AI. If you use it in any way other than to make you actually more capable, that's pretty fucking stupid. But, so I'm at this nexus. You've got video games, that community fucking hates it. Then you've got, I actually teach people how to use AI and have literally transformed the structure of a company through AI. And so I'm researching this, um, Hank Green thing and I'm seeing how people get the shit kicked out of them. And then I have to break because I have a call to do with our developers. And I'm talking to our developers and they're walking me through something that they used AI to do. And I was like, holy shit. I can't believe AI can do that. It is fucking wild.

• 1:56:45Speaker 00

  When you're talking about code, AI is so good. You're taking coders who are like, trying to do some insanely advanced thing, they're like, I don't know how to do this. And historically, I would have had to go find an expert in that thing, hire that expert, pay more money to get this thing done. And they were just like, oh, I couldn't figure out how to do it. So I handed it off to, uh, Claude, bang, one shot, done, solution. I was like, holy shit. I was like, walk me through how the AI actually does it. And it's like, okay, it pulls it out into like this separate database. It writes a bunch of Python code and you know, does all the things and then re-uploads it back into our database. And I was like, it does that all itself autonomously? He's like, yes. He's like, you have to be very good at describing the outcome that you want. You oftentimes have to break it into steps. Like, okay, in this step, do this thing.

• 1:57:30Speaker 00

  But he was like, I don't actually have to know how to do the thing. I just have to know what it needs to do. And then it can do the thing. And I was like, holy shit. So anyway, you guys can sleep on AI if you want, man. But goddamn, it is, it is incredible. It's incredible. It will abuse you. Uh, it will give you terrible answers. It will make you dumb if you let it. But God, if you learn how to use it, it is so powerful. Drew, it's really powerful. And people are just, they have such a weird emotional reaction to it. It's not going to replace your job. The person using it is going to replace your job because no way am I hiring somebody that doesn't know

• 1:58:12Speaker 00

  how to use AI. No way. No way. It's too powerful. It's too powerful. Even you. Use it for data analysis, things like that, suggestions to battle test your ideas. Rightly so. The next AI masterclass is on its way. We just had one. It was awesome. Very productive. Lot of people learned a lot of things about how to use AI. Remember I'm using AI all the time. Uh, so this is something I know intimately. I know where it breaks. I know where it's real. I know where it's hype. I know where you can deploy it. Uh, these things are free. And the next one is coming up Thursday, September 10th. Cannot believe we're already talking about September, but there it is. All right. 1:00 PM Pacific time. All right, guys. Thank you as always for joining us. Have a wonderful weekend and we will see you Monday. Until then, my friends, be legendary. Take care. Peace.

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