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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Economic warfare continues as Canada threatens to turn off our electricity, prompting Trump to say the tariffs will continue until morale improves. The Department of Education got radically defunded, and Larry Fink begs Trump to keep the illegals here to work the fields. Ukraine agrees to a ceasefire. DeepSeek rocks the AI world again by proving size matters. And despite what you've heard, smaller is better. Google Robotics demoed a bot that can pack a lunch and do origami. Anthropic CEO says 99% of all code will be written by AI in just 12 months. And I offer solutions to modern dating, prompting chat to pay a lot of money to tell me I'm wrong. Okay, yeah, go ahead and play it. Outperforms GPT 4.0 and Claude 3.5,

• 2:21Tom Bilyeu?

  which is interesting because 3.7 is already out, on math benchmarks. Here it is running on a phone completely offline. Tiny 1.5 billion AI model that will run on almost any hardware even without internet. Are you getting it yet? Here's why I like that. This is going to free up a level of innovation. Like, I am hungry for this right now. Literally right now, I am working with manufacturers to help us build a toy that can sync up with an in-game character so that players can have a relationship with an in-game character that's driven by AI, which by the way, David Kim, the guy in the feed, is the guy that has deployed that character for us. So the early stages, it's still trash. It will get better. Anyway, so you've got an AI character in game,

• 3:04Tom Bilyeu?

  an AI toy out of game in real life. And the two, what we're trying to do is sync them up. It may not be possible yet. I guarantee it will be possible in the near future. But the big thing is how much is this thing going to cost? Because you want to make this as cheap for people as possible to make the experience awesome, to get it in as many hands as possible. So you need a very effective AI to have a very small footprint so that you can put it inside of these toys for very cheap. So that you need a very small chip that doesn't have to be super powerful to run this very powerful brain. And what we're seeing is that one of the ways that you can really innovate in the world of AI is to make the level of compression better and better. And so the reason this is a big deal

• 3:48Tom Bilyeu?

  is they're showing that these things can remain incredibly powerful with a really highly compressed dataset. And that is awesome. That will unleash a ton of human creativity, not the least of which will be here at Impact Theory. So I'm very excited about this.

• 4:04Speaker 03

  Copy. Okay. And then I just liked Eric, the Gemma 3, which is that was the Google one. And that is their most capable model yet. It can run on a single GPU or a TPU.

• 4:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, so same idea here. These are getting more and more efficient.

• 4:19Speaker 03

  Can you click that graph on the right?

• 4:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, what I hope the guy is meaning when he says, are you getting it yet? Is that this is becoming very cheap, very potent, very fast. And the rate of change is the thing that people are not, they're just not grappling with yet. So from the time that I launched my manufacturing search till now, this is already upgraded so fast that I have to now broaden my scope of who might be able to supply this to us, which is absolutely incredible. But this is why I say companies are going to get smaller. They're going to be more dexterous because whoever pulls the trigger on something, because at some point you have to pick a chip, buy it at a certain amount of scale,

• 5:04Tom Bilyeu?

  and you're going to want to keep that scale tight, inherently making your options small, like the number of people that would be able to get a small, because you're not going to be waiting a year to launch the next one. You're going to be launching the next one like in a month, two months. And so it creates this, this is why people freak out about deflation, by the way, because it creates this impulse, well, I'm just going to wait, I'm just going to wait, I'm just going to wait. And so you want to, you now have to think about doing small order quantities, make them very cheap so that you can get around that impulse to wait. And you create that sense of, well, I'll just buy that one and then I'll upgrade every six months or whatever, because they're cheap. And so I just want them to get better and better and better, and I want to be able to take advantage of that. And so that is going to have consequences that we can't yet anticipate.

• 5:49Tom Bilyeu?

  But proliferation is one of the most obvious, where now if I can have something as good as GPT-4O, put into my fridge, that my fridge can run a constant scan of what's in my fridge, what I need to reorder, use a Gentic AI running in my fridge to go actually place the orders on Amazon or send me a text and be like, hey, I'm about to place this order because you're out, confirm or deny. Dude, it's going to be awesome. Bias, bias, bias. I have a freakish bias towards innovation, but that is thrilling to me. This is gonna be fun. This is gonna be fun.

• 6:25Speaker 03

  The thing that really jumps me for this is, we were talking about DeepSeek being a big deal, and that was a month and a half ago. You would thought DeepSeek came out six weeks, six months ago, like it was something that happened, like it's, we were, they just disrupted the market, and I'm using air quotes. January 27th, we are, or something, we released our video. And then now, March 12th, we have a model that's just as powerful, if not more powerful, in a fraction of that size now. So immediately, the foreign factors are changing, and since it's a sprint, there's seven different companies all innovating in different levels on different ways.

• 6:57Tom Bilyeu?

  And those are just the ones you know about.

• 6:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:59Tom Bilyeu?

  There's, there's some 14-year-old right now coming up with some crazy compression algorithm that's gonna make AI even smaller, even faster, and we just don't even know they exist yet. That's why the right mental model for what's happening right now is that this is 1999 internet bubble, and nobody knows whether, uh, are any of the players that are gonna be major players in 10 years, are they even out yet? So we all think it's AI, or we are, uh, OpenAI.

• 7:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, this could all be NetSuite and Netscape and all those. Like, we haven't got to the Chrome, the App Store yet, all that. That's a great analogy.

• 7:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Correct. So, uh, we are all gonna benefit as the people that get to build with this, use these things. Uh, it's gonna be incredible, but active faith is required, admittedly.

• 7:41Speaker 03

  All right, this was, I think this is probably the best walking robot I've seen so far.

• 7:48Speaker 03

  It just seems so fluid and like it actually has the mechanics under it. It doesn't seem like it's always about to fall or thinking too much.

• 7:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Interesting. He looks still very stilted, but when I saw this stuff, I was like, oh damn. Like, this is a bot that knows how to control, what are those things called?

• 8:02Speaker 03

  Hoverboards.

• 8:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Hoverboards?

• 8:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:04Tom Bilyeu?

  That's pretty impressive. Riding a bike, very impressive. So now you don't need bots that like are a bike. You can get bots that are able to adjust to the world the way that it is now, which means that you don't have to abruptly build new infrastructure for the bots to be useful. That's the part that I don't like. If anybody's asking themselves, why are they working so hard to make them humanoid? Aren't they going to come in a bunch of other flavors? Yes, over time, they certainly will. But right now, you have, you know, however many years of building infrastructure that assumes that you're a human with two legs and two arms. And so now, if you've got a bot that can navigate that world, you're in much better shape.

• 8:41Speaker 03

  Somebody just dropped in the Google Deep Mind Robotics video. Eric, I just liked that to you. I didn't even realize Google had a robot. This was directly from their Twitter page and it's based off of Gemini 2.0. They bring capabilities such as better reasoning, interactivity, dexterity, and generalization into the physical world. A new generation of helpful robots.

• 9:05Tom Bilyeu?

  See what we got.

• 9:06Speaker 04

  Family of Gemini models for robotics. They're able to understand the physical world in a lot of detail, understand motion, and be able to act in the physical world.

• 9:14Speaker 05

  Gemini Robotics is our most advanced vision language action model for robotics.

• 9:19Speaker 04

  That means that it takes natural language input and images and then outputs actions.

• 9:23Tom Bilyeu?

  They're really dexterous. They're doing some really intricate stuff like folding origami or like packing lunch. There's this one task where you have to put the bread slice in like a Ziploc. You can talk to them and physically move stuff around as the robot is moving. And you can see them reacting to you. My favorite application is on the Autronic Humanoid. We have this task where the robot is asked to spell a word with these Scrabble tiles. It's this cross embodiment, dexterity, reasoning. They all come together in this very cool task.

• 9:51Speaker 05

  The other model really enhanced the world understanding of Gemini for robotics.

• 9:55Speaker 04

  So it will do things like detect all the objects in 3D space or maybe even identify parts of an object with semantic key points.

• 10:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so right now, this stuff feels really awkward and it is admittedly impressive. But the right way, I think, to look at this stuff is to, you have to project out five years, but five years of something very specific. All of these things are going to learn from all of the other robots. So when these sort of really lame versions of Gemini Robot or Tesla Optimus, whatever, as they get deployed, as each one of them does a task and gets human feedback about whether that was good or bad. Instantaneously, all of the network bots learn from that. Think of that. Imagine, Drew, that I don't just learn from the things that I research,

• 10:45Tom Bilyeu?

  that I learned from the things that you research, that Lisa researches, that Will researches, Eric, everybody. And now go out, not 50 people, go out 100,000 people. And in real time, I'm getting updated with everything that they're learning. Every improvement that they have is now spread across the network. Dude, like, that's where you get into this superhuman rate of improvement that we're seeing in self-driving cars, where the cars are just having to make so many decisions and updating the entire network so that on that road, a Tesla has driven 1,000 times and they see, oh, the owner had to take over here and they had to do this. And so it's just learning and learning and learning and learning and learning. And the more that you get them out there, the more feedback that they're giving within the network,

• 11:30Tom Bilyeu?

  these things will improve at a rate that is freakish. And so if people stop thinking about, oh, that in a year, that's going to be super lame. And you start going, what's it going to be in 10 years? It's going to be insane. Dude, in 20 years, I'm old. In 20 years, I'm not even going to be 70 yet. I'm going to be in my 60s in 20 years. So it's like, this stuff is going to be extremely relevant to my old ass in 20 years. What's it going to be for somebody that right now is 10, they're only going to be 30? And so they're going to live in a world where the world is just proliferated by robotics. That's where all of this stuff, like, when you start looking at it through that lens, you really start going, whoa, this is going to be a world that my current thinking

• 12:15Tom Bilyeu?

  has low predictive validity on. And so staying involved, understanding where this is going, and asking yourself one question over and over and over and over and over. How do I, today, engage with that thing such that I'm always a little bit ahead of everybody else? And I know people do not like to think of this as a competition. Let's just say, you want to get ahead of everybody else so you can be the one that's most helpful. Great. But understanding that you want to learn this stuff, you want to be at the cutting edge, you want to be pushing your own thinking, your own engagement, all of that stuff, you will deal with the period of disruption far better than everybody else who's freaked out, who put their head in the sand, didn't pay attention to this stuff.

• 12:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Standing still, pretending as if it isn't happening, is the only mistake.

• 13:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 15:15Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, we're back. Let's get into it.

• 15:18Speaker 03

  I've been knee deep in a show called Bay of Kings Town, also on Paramount. That was not as good. It's a little bit gritty. I don't know if you'll be into it.

• 15:24Tom Bilyeu?

  This is Jeremy Renner?

• 15:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was about like the prison complex and the system. And then we seen this link this past week about the meta putting Quest 2s into California prisons for inmates in solitary confinement. Because I think our prison system is broken. We talked about it briefly earlier, like private prisons don't make sense to me. But I think that this is could be a positive way to reprogram is the wrong word, but kind of help people rehabilitate themselves in a cool way. However, it does look like a brainwashing cutscene from like a dystopian future of people like sitting in solitary confinement with a headset on. Like, what's your take on VR in the prison system?

• 16:01Tom Bilyeu?

  It's all gonna be stats and the stats here are absolutely incredible. Now, this is very early and who knows, this is one person making a claim. But if these can be believed, zoom in a little bit because it says right there. Crazy part is that VR quote unquote programming in with the VR programming inmate infractions have fallen 96%. To explain why I think this is so powerful and is the kind of thing that is very worth testing, I don't know that it'll play out well in the long run. Everything is a hypothesis. It's all physics of progress. State what's your goal. We want to reduce recidivism. We want to dramatically decrease violence of the inmates while they're in prison as well. Okay, cool. So let's say that that's our end goal.

• 16:46Tom Bilyeu?

  And our hypothesis is that if we can transport these people to a different world so that they

• 16:53Tom Bilyeu?

  don't feel so isolated, that they have like this opportunity to be expansive all while we can influence the way that their brain is working to get them to make better choices. A lot of people that are in prison for violent crimes have suffered brain damage. And so there's like all this brain wiring stuff becomes a part of this. Okay, cool. That's the hypothesis. That's the end goal. We've got our KPIs. Recidivism and violent incursions while they're in prison. Cool. So now we're going to pull the lever. The reason that I think that this probably will yield tremendous outcomes is the very first time I put on VR, the emotional reaction I had was why am I pursuing wealth?

• 17:33Tom Bilyeu?

  And I was like, whoa, that is a very interesting insight into my mind because I'd worked so hard. Cool House had always been something that drove me. And

• 17:45Tom Bilyeu?

  When I put VR on and realized, wait a second, while I'm in VR, I actually feel that I'm looking at something real. And so the vista of a mountain range or whatever now feels real. And so imagine a world where either through VR, AR glasses, or holograms, whatever, you live in a tiny apartment in Manhattan, but when you look at your windows, which actually aren't windows, they're green screens, uh, they are, or you know, something you could turn on and off, they're now showing you a vista. So you're looking out your window and you see outer space, or you're looking out your window and you see, um, Paris, whatever, whatever your thing is.

• 18:27Tom Bilyeu?

  And it feels real. That, that is going to have a profound impact on somebody's psychology. And for the same reason that you can get somebody to walk on a board that's only two inches off the ground, but in VR, they look like they're standing on a really small metal beam over a thousand foot drop, their amygdala lights up, goes crazy and is screaming at them, you really are in danger. So the brain, from an evolutionary standpoint, is designed to say, I see it and it's real. And therefore, the amount of positive or negative impact that we could have using VR reprogramming, I think is going to be pretty extreme. So if we can all admit that them being in prison is an outcome that we do not want, then we have to do something to reprogram them.

• 19:12Tom Bilyeu?

  And so you don't want that to be, um, something that is worse for them. You want it to be something that is better for them. But yes, I want to see people truly rehabilitated in prison. I want to see them educated. I want to see them as much as we can, um, humanely address whatever literal brain trauma they have that has led them to that place. Anything that we can do to uplift the human spirit so that they are not, they don't want to return to a life of crime, which I guess some people are just going to, and that just is what it is from a brain wiring standpoint. But yeah, anything we can do to help, I think would be awesome.

• 19:48Speaker 03

  The weird thing about it though is like the images that are on the VR set. So right now I'm hoping that it's positive and they're only getting good things, but it can also get deranged really quick if they're like horror and they're like torturing people. Or I'm thinking like Minority Report, that Black Mirror episode where like the VR image is now manipulated to make that person suffer as opposed to educate them.

• 20:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, that would be god awful and that's why we have rules against that kind of thing. Obviously, I don't want to see people do cruel and unusual punishment. I don't want people tortured. So whatever the VR equivalent is of like they were saying, the bots, you would feed them noise. Like I don't want them putting them in VR in a way that's like horrible. Like this is why you have to say, what's the end goal? And so if the end goal is punishment, well, then it's going to be a very different VR. But that's not the end goal that I want for people. In fact, that's really interesting. It's not quite true. There is a level of punishment, but if I could do a thing that I knew a hundred percent guaranteed that that person would

• 20:55Tom Bilyeu?

  embody deep remorse and never do said bad thing again, would I be okay with it? My immediate reaction is no. So there's something I would have to process through because that's probably a level of brain manipulation that triggers, not probably. That's a level of brain manipulation that triggers my, the unknown second and third order consequences make me nervous. And so I would tread into those waters slowly.

• 21:20Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 21:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, things have to withstand the test of time.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  All right. In other, in other news, Anthropic CEO, the founder of Claude, my AI, talked about how coding will, AI will be the majority of coding in the very near future.

• 21:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, like three to six months. On one hand, I think comparative advantage is a very powerful tool. If I look at coding, programming, which is one area where AI is making the most progress. What we are finding is we are not far from a world, I think we'll be there in three to six months, where AI is writing 90% of the code. And then in 12 months, we may be in a world where AI is writing essentially all of the code. All right. So assume that he's wrong about the timeline and it's really in five years.

• 22:05Tom Bilyeu?

  The fact that AI is getting so good at writing code, which does not surprise me because this is a very defined outcome. Unlike creative writing where it's like, I want you to make me feel a certain way when I read it or when I see it animated or whatever. That's really squishy. It's going to be really hard for AI to get good. You just need a ton of patterns.

• 22:28Tom Bilyeu?

  For AI to get good at coding, there's a known, it needs to run this, it needs to do this thing. And every time you code and go in and adjust that code, the AI is looking at that and going, oh, cool. I see how to do this right. I see how to do it right. That is going to get very good, very fast.

• 22:44Tom Bilyeu?

  I am surprised that people try to brush off the level of disruption that AI is going to bring to the job market. Even though as an act of faith, I choose to believe that the future will be better than the present. I recognize we will move through a period of massive disruption and it would be very cold comfort for a middle of the road programmer who right now can support their family. They're going to get replaced by AI. And that's real. And not having a sense of what do we do about that? This is where it's going to catch people off guard. You're going to get that major pushback because the emotional response that people will have is fuck AI. And then they're going to get very aggressive and they're going to rally around the government to make changes.

• 23:28Tom Bilyeu?

  And if we're talking like if he's even remotely close and this happens in the next 18 months,

• 23:34Tom Bilyeu?

  dude, people are going to feel some kind of way about this. You do not want to sweep this under the rug. This is one that you want to say, okay, what are we going to do here? What are we going to do about this? Because this one's, this one's going to be a wrecking ball. So here's what I think that we do about it. Dear everybody, you are going to have to take control of your own life. You are going to have to figure out how not to get left behind by AI.

• 23:56Tom Bilyeu?

  This is also part of the reason I want to onshore manufacturing. There has to be an off-ramp for people that are not going to be able to or have the desire to keep up with the white collar jobs that are going to rapidly race away from them. And we've got to have a way for people to have dignity, meaning, and purpose through a trade of some kind. So not everybody has to work in a factory, but if we have this idea of we need to make things, do things here in the US, I think it's orientationally more advantageous. Now, will those jobs also be replaced by robots? Many of them will, for sure. And that moves us into where I was going in the beginning, which is you need to take control of your life. You need to ask yourself, how can I use AI to make things that people want?

• 24:39Tom Bilyeu?

  That I'm not going to be able to fold myself into a company in the way that we've been able to do historically. Companies are going to become much smaller in scope from a personnel perspective. More people are going to have to step into the role of not necessarily like an entrepreneur in the way that we think about it now, but you're going to become a part of a very small group that serves a very niche population. I've talked about dropping the world right now, the economic world that we have right now is all these companies of all different sizes, from very small to very large. That's going to break and it's going to be mostly a bunch of very small companies and then very large companies. And I think that the number of big companies that will that will shatter into thousands

• 25:23Tom Bilyeu?

  of little pieces is going to be very extreme. And so you need to bone up on not being, not needing somebody to tell you what to do. You need to focus on becoming self-directed to shake off the notion of when the cat's away, the mice will play. There's not going to be anybody looking over your shoulder. You're going to have to decide what outcome you're trying to achieve and you're going to have to figure out how to get yourself there. And for an education system that teaches people to be good cogs in the machine, this is going to be very disruptive. Bang, drum for educational reform. So that's where we're at.

• 25:59Speaker 03

  Nice. I feel like his timeline was off, to be quite frank, because I feel like. You saying five years, I think the year is a better mark by next year. If everybody's not using AI, especially in the software engineering world, you're just shooting yourself in your foot, I feel like. So I think that's

• 26:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I think I think it is true that everybody overestimates what you can do in a year and you underestimate what you can do in three. Yes, there's no doubt. Now, I will say that he's very close to the problem. So he's probably overly ambitious, but I, if you're thinking as much beyond 18, if you're a coder and you're thinking as much beyond 18 months, you're probably making a mistake. I would just write now, today, man.

• 26:39Speaker 03

  Just do it now.

• 26:40Tom Bilyeu?

  And look, listen, I see this at Impact Theory to the point where the executive team is talking almost daily, how do we get you guys to embrace AI? Now, some people do, but there are other people in the company that clearly there's an anxiety over it. There is a desire to poo poo it and say, but it doesn't do it today. My job is so nuanced, AI is not going to be able to do it. It's like, bro, that is just, I get it. As a writer, I'm looking at it going, okay, it doesn't get me all the way across the finish line, but I'm constantly pushing, okay, but how close can it get me? How, how much can it extend my abilities? How much can it speed me up? Rather than lamenting, I'm not going to be sitting down and writing the way that I always thought I was going to be as a kid. That, that reality is gone.

• 27:28Tom Bilyeu?

  If I could get people to distrust that anxiety and say, the only path forward is to embrace this incredible tool and I'm going to learn how to use it. That, that would be my ideal, but it is very hard to get people when they're scared to think clearly.

• 27:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Quick break, but don't go anywhere. There's more to come after this short break from our sponsors.

• 27:50Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, we're back. Let's get into it.

• 27:53Speaker 03

  Lisa in the chat, Eric, I just liked you a picture.

• 27:56Tom Bilyeu?

  That's hilarious. Don't judge a woman based on her husband. The funny thing is, babe, I thought the exact same thing. I was like, oh, my poor wife. So we, we are working with a company or we were considering, I can't remember if this is the one that we move forward with, but anyway, there was going to be a company that was going to help Lisa. And the first thing that they said was you need to create distance between you and your husband, because now that your husband talks politics, it is hurting your channel. And I was like, my poor wife, because of me, she is getting drug down. It's all too true. It's all too true. Don't judge a woman by her husband. Oh, actually, I lie. Judge a woman by her husband. A hundred percent. It is true because I was literally just talking to, oh, God.

• 28:40Tom Bilyeu?

  I won't say who I was talking to. I am certain they will hear this and they will recognize themselves. And I said, uh, if your woman is not in your ear, pushing you to be a better, more aggressive man, you need to replace her.

• 28:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Boys and girls, that is how, in fact, gentlemen out there, I'm saying right now, uh, if you are, if you're with somebody who's not making you better, stronger, more aggressive, it's time to, it's time to swap out. That's just real talk. Now, that is my wife hardcore was pushing me when we were living in her mother's house. That woman was nonstop trying to motivate me to be a better person. And, uh, I will eternally be grateful to her for that.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  Okay, so Robert Zane, uh, reposted what Lisa posted yesterday. If we could zoom in on that so Tom can see it.

• 29:43Speaker 03

  So for those listening.

• 29:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Who posted this? This was Lisa.

• 29:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, Lisa, yeah, Lisa posted it.

• 29:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 29:47Speaker 03

  On the left side, what do you see in him? And it's an old picture of Lisa and Tom. There's the caption, dirt poor. What is he wearing? Unemployed. He's not your type. And then on the right, you're so lucky, cool, hot, successful, stylish. He's so smart. And it just shows you don't.

• 30:00Tom Bilyeu?

  This actually makes me emotional. Like, I am, I'm not a crier, but if something were going to move me to that.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  I literally see it too. I literally see like the gloss on the eyes. This is beautiful.

• 30:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, man, I am so glad that we got together when we literally had nothing. God, I look terrible.

• 30:20Speaker 03

  And you're wearing a man bag, by the way.

• 30:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, okay, okay, hold on, hold on.

• 30:26Tom Bilyeu?

  That was to carry a dog in my defense. So, yes, I will merc it, uh, for my dog. Shout out to Batman. It was our, our first dog. Uh, yes. So hiding in that bag is a little dog that you can't see, but, um.

• 30:43Tom Bilyeu?

  My wife, then girlfriend, was extraordinarily good at making me feel good about who I was currently, and making it abundantly clear that I better get better. How you pull that off? Like, that is tough, because she had to make me feel good about who I was. Otherwise, I'm not here for somebody that's haranguing me.

• 31:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:08Tom Bilyeu?

  She had to make me feel good about who I was, but at the same time, had to be pushing me in a direction to be better. Now, the crazy thing is, I don't know how consciously she was doing it. It would actually be very interesting. Uh, next Monday, Lisa is gonna be, um, be, she's gonna be here with me in the, the co-host seat, so it'd be interesting to re-ask this question, chat. Please remind me. Um, but I don't know how consciously she was doing it, but she was doing it. And if I can just talk really nakedly, I often speak in, uh, in an oblique way on this, but

• 31:47Tom Bilyeu?

  women, when you're in a romantic relationship with somebody, you have many tools that other people don't have. The most important of them is sex. And you have to be careful, because you wanna walk a fine line. You don't wanna be sexually manipulative. But using sex, like, one thing my wife could always do for me that has always been so powerful,

• 32:13Tom Bilyeu?

  when I did something that was powerful in the world, um, stood up for myself, pushed for more, was aggressive, she would give me that look of like, oh my God, you're really turning me on right now. And then would richly reward me for my very masculine drive, for the pursuit, um, to work harder, to push farther, to stand up for myself, like, because my journey has been one of learning to be stronger, tougher, more aggressive. That was not my default state. And by rewarding me in the ways that only a wife can, it really put me down a path that I have, that has yielded tremendous results in the world.

• 32:57Tom Bilyeu?

  And it's like, I want that thing for people. I want people to understand the dynamic in a romantic relationship that has existed for all of human history, where when you reward behavior that you want to see more of, and you, people are gonna hate this language, punish behaviors you want to see less of,

• 33:21Tom Bilyeu?

  it will shape somebody. And when you're a unit, and you have the unit's best interests at heart, now it's like, I want something that's good for us. And so I'm not pushing you like this to be a bitch. I'm pushing you like this because this is what I believe is good for the unit. Given that we have a stated goal of what we're trying to achieve, these behaviors are or are not going to take us there. And I want to reward those. And so I am so glad that I found a peer in my wife, not somebody who,

• 34:02Tom Bilyeu?

  not somebody who I want to get away from, or I look down on, like, I was never the guy that was like, I just want to be with my boys and my girl thinks so dumb.

• 34:10Speaker 03

  The old ball and chain on it.

• 34:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I was like, man, I don't understand that approach to life. So having a peer, somebody who wanted what was good for the unit, which also happened to be good for me and knew how to reward me. Boy, oh, boy. And there was, uh, speaking of not being a crier, one of the times in my life where I legitimately wept was, this was long before cameras were a part of the picture. I could see what she was doing. I could see she was making me a better person. And I really broke down one day because I was getting credit for something. I don't even remember what. Uh, and I said, no one, you're never gonna get the credit you deserve for the man that I'm becoming. And

• 34:54Tom Bilyeu?

  I was like really devastated by that because I was like, fuck, I don't know how to articulate this. I don't know how to, um, because at that time she was a housewife. And so I was like, fuck, like, I don't know how to pull this into the world and say like, yo, I fully recognize that you are my peer. I fully recognize that I'm married to my equal. And I don't know how to get you credit for everything you've ever done. I couldn't have predicted that I'd be on camera one day and be able to get to, you know, say things like this for the world to see. That's what I want for people. It's awesome.

• 35:30Speaker 03

  That's beautiful. You give me hope, Tom. Love is still out there.

• 35:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Love is out there.

• 35:35Speaker 03

  I feel like I'm like your single friend in like a rom com and he's just like, oh, I'm just like, yeah, okay. Then I go home and like eat snacks on my couch or something and eat a tub of ice cream. Uh, okay. You want to talk to Harris?

• 35:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, I kind of want to talk about you eating the chips and the ice cream. Uh, let's just real fast, close that loop because the streets are trash. Social media and dating apps have really created delusion.

• 36:01Tom Bilyeu?

  I think we've talked about this before, but if I could do a PSA for a second.

• 36:06Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 36:07Tom Bilyeu?

  I think the following is the primary problem.

• 36:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Because there are so many other fish in the sea. People are trying to optimize for the perfect match off the jump. Like not even the perfect match, the, that they meet the checklist perfectly.

• 36:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:31Tom Bilyeu?

  That was one thing Lisa and I did not fall prey to. And so in the beginning, I'm sure despite the initial attraction, in fact, not I'm sure. Let me be very specific. When I decided, when I was thinking seriously about proposing to Lisa, I actually wrote a pros and cons list. And there were cons and there were things about her that I not only didn't like, that I was very worried about on a long enough timeline would be so problematic that I should not move forward with her.

• 37:06Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 37:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, the one that I remember so clearly, she gets sick a lot.

• 37:16Tom Bilyeu?

  And I was like, I'm not a caretaker. That's not my vibe. I just, hey, I'm glad that there are some people and I respect the shit out of people that are caretakers. I'm not one of them. And I was like, am I really going to move forward with somebody that is that is sick frequently? Am I actually going to be able to deal with that? And there were other things, I actually don't remember them. I'm not being coy. If I remember them, I just fucking say them.

• 37:48Tom Bilyeu?

  But when I looked at the pros list, I was like, the, the exact phrase I said to myself at the end of that list was, I'm either never getting married, or I'm marrying this woman. But I would say to her face, I bet there, there are other people out there that I could marry and I would have just as wonderful of a life. And so I don't want you to feel like you have to constantly be looking over your shoulder to make sure that there's nobody better than you. What this is, is commitment. So I have a tattoo that I got when we got married as a ritualistic scarification. I know it sounds silly because everybody gets tattoos now, but that's how I approached it.

• 38:28Tom Bilyeu?

  It is the only tattoo that I have despite my wife practically begging me to get more tattoos because she fucking finds it sexy. And my thing is, no, I wanted to do something painful, to be a different person the day after getting married than I was the day before. So we got married and then after our honeymoon, for reasons that don't matter, I ended up getting the tattoo as a way to remind myself, I'm now a different man. And there are only four words on it and one of them is commitment. And commitment is saying, I get that there are other fish in the sea. I get that there are more beautiful women than you and that doesn't matter to me. I'm in a relationship with you. We have chosen each other.

• 39:11Tom Bilyeu?

  I am committed to making this relationship work, not a relationship work. This relationship. That's good. And so I understand that you're not perfect as I understand that I am not perfect. And so each of us have a pros and cons list on the other person. But we draw a line and for me, that was the proposal. The proposal was hard for me. I was like, whoo, am I really going to do this? The marriage was easy. Because once I made a decision, that was that. I was ready to get the tattoo as a part of the proposal.

• 39:46Tom Bilyeu?

  I didn't, and I think it's better in terms of pomp and circumstances ceremony to do it around the wedding. But that to me was the line was like, once I propose, that's the end game. And now we're in this social media and dating apps have given people the exact opposite understanding of what a relationship is. There's always somebody I can swipe to and get to the next person, get to the next person, get to the next person.

• 40:13Tom Bilyeu?

  You're going to be with somebody who's going to shape you.

• 40:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Shape and be shaped. Want that. Don't want this is them right from the jump. Now I get it. People are like, oh, this bitch wants to change me. Yeah, that's evolution. Welcome to the party.

• 40:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. And it's interesting to say that because I'm also, I'm starting to realize that you have to want that level of accountability because it does take a understanding of self to say, I am okay with being changed. I want to be changed.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  Me having like a child early, I was forced to handle responsibility in a different way than some of my friends. So right after I had Lynn, my senior in college, I didn't have that transition of like, ooh, now I have a full time job and I have like discretionary spending. Like I'm still living as a college student, but I'm getting paid 80 grand. Let me go do some things. Like it was a different kind of level. So I went right from school to like domestic mode. So I took one responsibility on and kind of carried on another. So I'd never had that like fuck boy phase of just like out here spending money or just out here like traveling, going on vacation, taking a bunch of Instagram pictures. And I think that a lot of times what I've been running against is that I would meet somebody that likes who they are. And it's to your point of take me as I am.

• 41:29Speaker 03

  But then with me of always like the, well, you know, we gotta do this and we gotta do this, like we have to go to the next responsibility. That can sometimes be a trigger for certain people. And that's something that I didn't, I had to acknowledge in myself as well. It's like, okay, not everybody wants to become a better version of themselves. Not everybody wants to get better. Not everybody has that mindset. So it's interesting that you kind of put that nail of like change and be changed because some people are resistant to change. Some people want to just be like. This and have somebody who loves them like this and they want to stay in this box.

• 41:58Tom Bilyeu?

  But you can also do it in a bitchy way. That's really fucking horrible and makes the guy want to donkey punch you and get the fuck out. So this is where, and I do see the red light, Will. Um, this is where like it is a dance. And if my wife did not make me feel, if my girlfriend did not make me feel better about who I was when I was with her than when I wasn't, she would never have become my wife. So it's like, you have to earn the right to shape somebody by letting them know I'm into you right now today.

• 42:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:29Tom Bilyeu?

  And I can't wait to see who we can become together. That was the vibe. That was the energy. Now, there were definitely times where people have heard me tell the story a million times. It was ultimately shame that pushed me to make change. And my then fiance was not impressed that she had a job. I did not. She would come home and I would just be at like 12:30 or something and I would just be crawling out of bed. And I only got out of bed so I could make her a sandwich. I mean, it's really crazy when I tell the story that it was actually true. It was actually true. Uh, and that my hair wasn't done and I was wearing my pajamas still. And she was just like, this isn't cool. And she was just like, you don't even do your hair. And so there was this element of like, what are you doing?

• 43:15Tom Bilyeu?

  And so all of that leads to change, but then if I do my hair and I show up, you gotta be like, yo, I love this. This is so cool. Like, thank you. You can't be like, well, finally, like you did the thing. Like she was just like, oh my God, I love it. Your hair looks so great. Like this is fantastic. Thank you so much. Like this really means a lot to me that you're up and you're excited. And so it was, there were rewards. Think of it like a bank account. You can make withdrawals if you've made enough deposits. If you have not made enough deposits, you can't make a withdrawal.

• 43:51Speaker 03

  It's a good way to put it. Good way to put it.

• 43:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, this is a good one. Here we go. All right. Criticism. I'll even read this one out loud. Well, Tom, you are such a cuck, which I'm guessing spelled weird because otherwise you would get grabbed. Women date across and up. Agreed. She would have left you long ago had your performance not accelerated. Okay. Are we saying that's bad? They want the winners at the finish line. Yes. Out of touch or mating, out of touch, on mating, dating. Otherwise, I love your content. Jake, thank you. So first of all, guys, I have no problem with criticism whatsoever. So by all means, bring it. Because if you see something that I don't, you're only going to make me smarter. So Jake, here is what I would say to that.

• 44:37Tom Bilyeu?

  The whole point of shaping and being shaped is that you want a better version. I've gotten a better version of Lisa over time. And if Lisa did not have a growth mindset and Lisa were a problem and Lisa were making this, I did make you broke, Lisa. That is for sure.

• 44:54Tom Bilyeu?

  For a while, I made up for it. If Lisa became a problem, I would have left Lisa. So Lisa and I have been very clear with each other that this is not unconditional love, that there are lines that can't be crossed. And if Lisa were making me miserable and this were a loveless marriage and she didn't have a growth mindset and she was dragging me down, then I wouldn't stay in that relationship either. So a hundred percent. If she were still the same person that I married, I would have zero interest. If I were still the same person that she married, I assume she would have zero interest. So this is about having a shared goal that you have articulated, and then you're moving towards that goal.

• 45:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, in Lisa's defense, she actually, at one point, really pushed me to make a decision that was financially terrible. I came home one day and she said, okay, you are now damaging our marriage. She didn't say in the pursuit of wealth, but that was the thing hiding. I had become so unhappy at my job because I was just showing up every day trying to get rich, trying to prove that my father-in-law was wrong. I want to read that comment from Lisa, hold on. And she said, look, I don't care about the money. I want you to be happy. And so she has earned her stripes in that she has proven when it really mattered, she was like, we, we were going to move to a small town in Greece where we could rent like a

• 46:19Tom Bilyeu?

  small little place and I could write a screenplay because she believed, one, she believed that I would be good enough at that, that we'd then be able to come back to Hollywood and take it over. So there was still ambition hiding in all of that. She wasn't like, yeah, surrender your life. But she was like, do, do a thing that you're fun to be around. Do a thing that makes you happy. She was like, you used to be so alive. And she was like, you're so unhappy and you will come home and you'll say, literally, don't ask me about my day. I, I don't want to think about it. I don't want to talk about it. When I would drive into the office, it was like driving into a place with storm clouds over it. Drew, for years, I couldn't go to Marina Del Rey without feeling like I was going into

• 47:00Tom Bilyeu?

  that darkness because that period of my life was so dark. And my wife, who wanted to see me do better, make more money, be the guy that crosses the finish line, was like, your happiness and our shared love of day-to-day life is so important to me. I don't give a fuck if you have to step backwards. I don't care if we've got to be even poorer for an unknown number of years. I want to be happy. I want to enjoy today. Now again, this was still in pursuit of being ambitious and going and doing the thing that I loved and all of that. But she had a chance to be like, fuck you, I'm going to go find somebody else. And instead said, I want you to be happy.

• 47:45Tom Bilyeu?

  All right. Lisa Billy says Jake is seeing it from his own lens, of course, as we all do, because it's so not true that I worry why he thinks that in the first place. So in fairness to Jake, the streets really do strike me as trash right now. And

• 48:01Tom Bilyeu?

  I think that there is massive dysfunction in the frame of reference of people who always wanna swipe left, right? Which one says?

• 48:11Speaker 03

  Uh, right.

• 48:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Right. Right is I wanna find somebody else.

• 48:14Speaker 03

  Oh, left. Left I don't like, right I'm into it.

• 48:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Got it. So they wanna swipe left to find somebody else. Always more, more swiping left, even on their own person.

• 48:24Tom Bilyeu?

  I get why people wanna do that, but it is a mistake. Ultimately, you're going to realize that nobody is perfect and that you are going to either be alone or a string of relationships, or you're going to find somebody who is as imperfect as you and you're going to find a way to navigate this life a little better because you have somebody that removes some of your blind spots. With the Department of Education, I would say, look at the outcome of a policy. This is why I'm like, you have to understand.

• 49:00Tom Bilyeu?

  You need to state what your goal is. You need to say what the KPI is that represents that goal. And then you say, this is a thing that we're gonna try to do to affect this. So take the Department of Education. We're trying to move our standing in the global rankings. Okay, that would be a very simple way to track this. Since the Department of Education got, came into existence, we have held flat or moved backwards. I think there are very few places where we've actually made very minor improvements. And so, given that, I would say it has failed to do its job. Now, is getting rid of it the answer, or do you have to go in and make adjustments?

• 49:46Tom Bilyeu?

  That I will say we're about to find out because there, I think they're gonna try to abolish it. So.

• 49:51Speaker 03

  Fifty percent is already cut.

• 49:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Really?

• 49:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, they had emails last night that by Tuesday morning, they have to have their, Tuesday evening, they have to have their stuff packed up.

• 49:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, so what did they use as the method of determining what 50% to cut?

• 50:05Speaker 03

  Oof, that's a thing that we need to go deeper on.

• 50:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, so that'll be interesting, but if you, if we can't agree that as of today, the Department of Education has failed to achieve its goals, now we're in trouble. But if we can agree that the Department of Education has failed to achieve its goals, then it's like, okay, what changes do we need to make in order to get the outcomes that we want? Now, I think a lot of people believe that the Department of Education is going to be cut, and then it's just like, well, good luck. All of the things that are being done are shifting off to other departments. Um, I've heard a breakdown, I don't have it memorized, but we'd have to look it up. But it's like, things are gonna be shifted over into different departments to make sure that,

• 50:48Tom Bilyeu?

  for instance, I think the Department of Justice is gonna handle whether,

• 50:53Tom Bilyeu?

  different communities are being treated differently. So like racial equality, that's gonna go through the Department of Justice. So the things that we want the Department of Education to do, will be handed off to different institutions. It's right now, self-evident to me that we are not achieving our goals, and therefore we have to do something different. So the definition of insanity is to do the same thing and expect a different outcome. Now, what Eric Weinstein thinks about this, I have no idea. I've not heard him talk about it. So if somebody wants to pull up a tweet that he's done, although he does tend on the long side of tweets, so might have to review for the next one.

• 51:34Tom Bilyeu?

  But I'd be very interested to know how they determined what 50% to slash? Because if they're doing that poorly, then you're not gonna get any positive outcome from all of this.

• 51:51Tom Bilyeu?

  And there it is.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  And there it is. Pulling it up right now, the focus is to reallocate the resources to the students, parents and the teachers and cutting some of these extra programs. It's similar to the DEI rollback that have been doing across the government.

• 52:08Tom Bilyeu?

  That still feels vague. What does that mean? What do you know, does it list what programs were actually cut?

• 52:14Speaker 03

  It's just that the staff of 4100 is going to be cut in half and that's with layoffs and the buyouts that they did earlier in his administration.

• 52:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Got it. So if it follows that, then it's basically who are the people that will voluntarily go?

• 52:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Who are the newest people hired? So it's a blunt instrument. I don't expect that to yield fantastic results. It will lower the cost of the Department of Education. That is not going to automatically increase the output of the Department of Education, meaning that we move up in stature and language and mathematics and all of that stuff. So that makes me very sad. Now, when I'm advising business owners, I always say, is there somebody that has done this well before? If it is, go audit them, figure out what they did. I always round everything to KIPP schools. And so forgive me if it isn't specifically KIPP, but there are charter schools that are absolutely crushing it.

• 53:10Tom Bilyeu?

  And so looking at the charter schools, I think it'd be a very good way. I will shorthand what I have learned at my surface enough level of analysis. But it goes something like this. You have to hold kids accountable to a very aggressive standard. You have to set expectations. So from the moment they come into a school, charter school, students are told you are going to college, you are going to graduate.

• 53:40Tom Bilyeu?

  And they have teachers that are held accountable to the results of the students in their class. And if those teachers are not able to deliver the results, those teachers are replaced. So you have evolutionary pressures on the teacher. You have evolutionary pressures on the students. You set the expectation, you hold people accountable to a high standard. We've really gotten Into a weird place in America where we think that holding a kid to a standard is mean because not all kids are going to be able to make the standard. But that that's just the reality. So for instance, I was unable to get into the advanced program when I was in middle school. I managed to pull it off when I got into high school, but I wasn't able to do it in middle school. Was that mean? I would say not. If I wasn't ready for it, I wasn't ready for it. And that's just that. So

• 54:26Tom Bilyeu?

  it put me in a position where I wanted to work harder so that I could do better. Now, unfortunately, the way that that all plays out in my psychology was absolutely terrible because I just ended up cheating like a fiend in high school. I learned my lesson by the time I got to college, boys and girls, but nonetheless, putting those kinds of expectations on people allows for all of us to step back and say, who's hitting the standard, who's not? Remembering that skills have utility. So if you can do that thing, it means that you're actually capable in the real world of something that other people are not. And then that will give us a much clearer sense of

• 55:08Tom Bilyeu?

  how we get the output that we want. And right now, by lowering standards, lowering standards, lowering standards, we have an invisible goal of, I just want kids to feel good.

• 55:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Period. Now, new paragraph.

• 55:26Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't think that I think that it is deeply embedded in the human psyche that if our praise is contingent on somebody protecting us from the reality that we are not good at something, there's an internal feeling of unease. And I think a big part of anxiety comes from

• 55:50Tom Bilyeu?

  knowing that you need somebody else to defend you, that you're not able to defend your own position. And so when you're getting that trophy for participation, that some part of you knows I'm not as good as the other people and I know that. And so let's just take basketball as something that I'm just unbelievably bad at.

• 56:10Tom Bilyeu?

  When I was playing basketball as a freshman, I did not understand that if I practiced, I would get better. So every time I went out on the court, it felt like an indictment of who I was as a person. And nobody was able to pierce my frame of reference to get me to understand that if I practiced, I could get better. And since I could get better, I needed to be held accountable to every time I stepped on the court, that I was trying to get a little bit smarter. I was trying to get a little bit better and that I should be listening to coaches and taking the criticism as a way to improve instead of as this indictment of myself. So if somebody had stood up for me and said, no, no, no, you've got to give this kid time on the court. Everybody deserves time on the court. I would know every time I stepped on the court, but I suck. And so why are you putting me in?

• 56:54Tom Bilyeu?

  And I would have this deep unease around that. And so I would want people to learn how to step into that arena and say, okay, you have a frame of reference. So this is an indictment of you. But the reality is that skills have utility and you can get good at this. You may not ever be as good as other people because we all have a starting, we all have biologically

• 57:21Tom Bilyeu?

  real, our skills are tied to our biology. Call it roughly 50%. Cool. But you can get 100 times better at anything. If that had been the frame of reference that I had, then it becomes a very different game than feeling like I need other people to step in on my behalf, which is a very fragile place to live.

• 57:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Period.

• 57:43Speaker 03

  Do you think that education should be privatized?

• 57:48Tom Bilyeu?

  You have traumatized me with privatized prisons so deeply.

• 57:55Tom Bilyeu?

  I think that there should be a private option that is for sure so that we can see, do private schools yield better results? If they yield better results, is there anything that stops the governmental education from copying those things? But education is one of the things that my knee jerk reaction is it should not be exclusively privatized.

• 58:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Because I want my tax dollars going to the next generation. Like that, if you,

• 58:28Tom Bilyeu?

  if you want to make me feel good about my taxes, take my money and make the next generation of just.

• 58:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Assassins, that's, I tried to get around that word Drew, and I just couldn't. That, that is the word that my mind.

• 58:43Speaker 03

  Bourne Identity, the whole next generation.

• 58:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I, but, but obviously intellectual.

• 58:48Speaker 03

  I get you, yeah, I get you.

• 58:51Speaker 03

  Okay, so as we're, as I'm going through it, I'm on a Reuters article right now, I could drop the link in the Discord. So, the Department of Education, it does not, is not the source of bulk public school funding. So, public school funding comes from the state and local governments. More than 85% of that comes from their local municipalities. So, cutting the Department of Education does not mean that education to state and local schools is automatically done. It's only about 15%. Also, Linda McMahon, who's, Vince McMahon's wife, who leads the Department of Education, I just find that hilarious. She said that, to be honest, they cannot outright cut the department without a vote from Congress. So although they're slashing it down and they're reducing the size of it, there's no way it could go to zero without a congressional vote.

• 59:32Speaker 03

  A majority of the department oversees student loans, Pell Grants, and special need, um, funding for special need programs, funds the art programs, and outplays, and replaces outdated infrastructure. So, the Department of Education, as I'm reading it, and again, I'll link this, they're kind of the stopgap to help certain schools and certain municipalities, they fund certain programs on top of the existing school structure that's already there. And they also enforce Title IX guidelines that prohibit sex discrimination in education.

• 1:00:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Word?

• 1:00:05Speaker 03

  In 2024, their budget was $251 billion, which includes mandatory spending, along with the student loan program, Pell Grants, and grants for vocational training. So, Department of Education, their funding and their allocation, in a nutshell. Thank you Reuters, the link will be posted in the Discord.

• 1:00:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I just, uh, I don't understand why more people aren't screaming from the rooftops that we are not getting a good outcome. That is a crazy part to me. Thomas Sowell wrote a book called Charter Schools and Their Enemies? I'm pretty sure that's the, the exact title. But the, the central question of that book is, why would people push back against this idea where you have one set of, um, principles that yield an absolutely god-awful outcome, and then you have another set of principles that yield a great outcome? That's where I want to see people focus. What is the desired output? And is that system yielding that output?

• 1:01:07Tom Bilyeu?

  And if not, you need to be making changes to that system. And there needs to be a cohesive hypothesis on why the changes that you're going to make are actually going to yield that outcome. And it is really interesting. America makes a lot of sense, or the left in America makes a lot of sense when you understand this idea of wanting to psychologically protect children from the realities that they're not as good as somebody else. But that yields a really bad outcome.

• 1:01:35Speaker 03

  Trump went tariff for tariff with the premier of Ontario. So you said you were traveling, you didn't catch up on this. We gotta start at the beginning with this one?

• 1:01:43Tom Bilyeu?

  No, no, no, the tariff thing. Well, if you have a clip, please play it.

• 1:01:47Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:01:48Tom Bilyeu?

  But I am certainly at least headline deep on the tariff side. Let me be clear. I will not hesitate to increase this charge. If necessary, if the United States escalates, I will not hesitate to shut the electricity off completely. Believe me when I say I do not want to do this. I feel terrible for the American people because it's not the American people who started this trade war. It's one person who's responsible. That's President Trump. I'd rather be working together. I want to sell the US more energy, more electricity, more critical minerals. Okay, pause it for a second. I want to make Canada and the United States. This is going to be interesting.

• 1:02:30Tom Bilyeu?

  So this is all part of the chaos that President Trump is creating with the way that he approaches negotiations. I need to read his The Art of the Deal because from what I hear, he says plainly in The Art of the Deal that you want to create chaos, that you want to be patient, you want to let people have their freak out, but ultimately if you have leverage, they're going to come back to the table. It is my understanding that they have since backed off of this. So big talk and then backed off. It's very telling that Trump said they've got a strong man. I get it. This is, these are the, going to be the kinds of things that they're going to say, but they've already backed off this. And I think he said, I respect that they backed off of it. So he likes tough guys.

• 1:03:16Tom Bilyeu?

  So when people are freaking out, being like, yeah, I'm gonna fuck you up, whatever.

• 1:03:21Tom Bilyeu?

  He's not, he's nonplussed. And he's gonna ratchet up. And I have a feeling he's doing this cold calculation behind the scenes of like, where's our leverage? And if I have the leverage, fuck these kids. Now, the rest of us like, oh, God, like, this is so chaotic.

• 1:03:37Tom Bilyeu?

  The markets are freaking out because they don't like chaos. I think people are very wrong to attribute to Elon and Trump that they're playing like some fucking tesseract chess where it's like, no, no, no, like, we want, it's all anti-inflationary. And we're gonna pop this bubble and we're gonna drive the economy in the tank so that the average person can buy assets. Holy fuck, that I buy that as much as I buy people saying, uh, just shoot me in the ear, bro. Fuck that, there's no way. When you freak out the, um, the markets, you don't know what way they're gonna go.

• 1:04:15Tom Bilyeu?

  So there's no universe in which even if they get the outcome, even if that is what ends up playing out, ill advised. You don't understand how you might cause the market to freak the fuck out and cause untold damage to people. No way.

• 1:04:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Don't buy that. Now, do they create chaos and then go, oh, actually, now that the economy is tanking, that's all right, people will be able to buy at a discount. Sure, that I will believe. That they create a problem and then go, well, but there's like a positive that will come out of it. Always look on the bright side of life. But I don't buy that this is tesseract chess. So I think Trump creates chaos. I need to read The Art of the Deal, but I have heard people say that that is a thing that he states plainly in the book. And so we are watching. We are living through that chaos right now. So.

• 1:05:17Tom Bilyeu?

  He wants to establish himself as the big boy. He looks at the world, and I'm taking this from things he's actually said. He looks at the world and says, okay, previous governments have allowed us to be taken advantage of because they this, that part he has said, the following part is my interpretation. That they're playing nice boy global politics and they want to get along with everybody. I don't care about that in the slightest. I'm going to flex our muscle. I'm going to show people that if they want access to the American economy, that they're going to give us the quote unquote respect that we're due. And what comes of that comes of that. And in the long term, he believes that that will be better for America.

• 1:06:03Tom Bilyeu?

  He's playing a game of chicken. That, that is the right way in my estimation to look at this. And when you play chicken, you may crash headlong into the other person not blinking. And the other person in all of this that I worry about is China. So I'm not worried about Canada. Canada will fold. They just don't have, as he would say, they don't have the cards. Don't have the cards. Yeah, so Canada doesn't have the cards. So you can probably be pretty ham handed with Canada and still get your way. You can probably be pretty ham handed with Mexico and still get your way. Can't be ham handed with China. They are a pure competitor. They are a pure competitor militarily. They are a pure competitor economically.

• 1:06:46Tom Bilyeu?

  And so on that one, you could have a head on collision. And so, man, I'd be real fucking careful with that. So will, will they get something positive out of all of this? Maybe. Would it be wise to look back on this and be like, separate two things. Will it be wise to look back on this? And if asset prices going down allows people to buy in, and that would be good, by the way. Do we look back on this and go, they did that on purpose? Well played? No, that would be a full zare. Wait, shoot me in the ear. That's exactly how I feel about that. That could go so fucking wrong. It's just not worth the risk.

• 1:07:25Tom Bilyeu?

  On the other side, establishing America as a manufacturing force, I think, is important. In fact, this is the criticism that Destiny had of me, that he, Tom, does Tom not understand? I think he called it comparative advantage. Does he not understand? He does understand comparative advantage, I know he does. So why is he saying this? And I'm saying this because I believe in this map people's base assumptions. I believe we're in a cold war with China. I believe that we must onshore certain critical manufacturing. The thing that I care most about are what are the things that lead to our modern way of life? So that's going to be energy, that's going to be chips, that's going to be rare earth minerals.

• 1:08:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, we've got to find ways of getting that stuff in-house. That's why I get what he's doing with the Ukraine and/or Russia, quite frankly. Having a larger degree of distrust for China, I think, is wise. So not getting your rare earth minerals from China, I think, is smart. So with that base assumption, that's why I say you, Trump's tariffs will onshore certain things, and that is a good thing. But not to be confused with, I don't, I think that Trump is inviting a level of chaos that is so high risk. Both things are true.

• 1:08:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was very chaotic. Ontario clapped back with their tariffs. Trump was like, okay, 25 is turning into 50. And then ultimately, Ontario walked it back. Howard Luton went over there and they're allegedly reworking the North America trade deal. So hopefully, to your point of him causing chaos, is just a inciting incident to bring everybody to the table, so that way they can sit down and then start talking through and maybe get better and fairer trade deals. But it is chaotic and the markets have reacted and people are nervous. But you brought up the Destiny clip, so it made me want to pull that up. Let's go. To Destiny's point, he did say that across-the-board tariffs were bad. And you were like, yeah, if he does across-the-board tariffs, that'll be like fucking crazy. And Trump is doing across-the-board tariffs right now.

• 1:09:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Right? So do you hear me championing them now? Or do you hear me being very consistent with that? Because my hypothesis remains that you're going to put yourself in a position where you are now playing chicken. Now, admittedly, I don't know how it will play out. And the more I look into tariffs, no! No, he's not changing. He don't say it. No, it's all roads, all the roads. Every sign falls away and all roads lead to Rome. No, no, he's not about to say it. I'm making a dramatic assumption for literally no reason. I'm just, I'm making a dramatic assumption for no reason. He's gonna say, the more I look into it, the more I'm realizing it is a really bad thing. But also, he's already done the tariffs, but it's not even bad that he's done the tariffs. He's like, I'm waiting to see how this plays out.

• 1:10:10Tom Bilyeu?

  How long? He already did them. And the more I look into tariffs, the more I'm like, okay. It, it has one outcome, which is it will onshore manufacturing. No.

• 1:10:25Tom Bilyeu?

  No. No, I, we just have to have a business talk. Cause Tom, this is also a thing. He, Tom knows. Tom absolutely knows what comparative advantage is. I know he, I know from personal conversations, not in those economic words. But like, if I were to go to Tom's, say, Tom, I need business advice. I'm really, really, really good at streaming. I'm so bad at like managing my, um, at my email and my finances. Okay? Help me get better at managing my email, my finances. Tom would say, why are you wasting your time on your email and your finances? If you're really good at streaming, pay somebody to do that shit. Why the fuck would you waste your fucking time? Doing something you're not that good at. It's not even making that much money for you.

• 1:11:09Tom Bilyeu?

  You make way more money, just stream more. Pay somebody else to do it. I'm like, oh shit, Tom. Good, good idea. You're right. United States of America, hi. Um, we have highly productive labor. We're really good at like last stage of assembly on products and we lead the world in tech and AI.

• 1:11:28Tom Bilyeu?

  That is true, but uh, do you guys like manufacture widgets? Well, no, but we just like buy the widgets from somewhere else. Fuck that. Why the fuck we make, hold on. Have you thought about cutting back on your most productive work? And pulling back on retarded shit like tech and AI? And getting back into manufacturing widgets? Maybe? Wouldn't that be, wouldn't that be kind of cool if you made your own widgets? No, actually, it doesn't sound cool at all. It actually sounds like it would be a major step back. Treating the government like a business has wild downsides.

• 1:11:58Tom Bilyeu?

  So cue anybody freaking out, but wait, that's what Trump and Elon are doing. Yup. So this is where um

• 1:12:07Tom Bilyeu?

  nailing down somebody's base assumptions is very important. If you take my base assumption to be that I believe that we are in a potential headlong collision or head-on collision with China, that they control too much of our manufacturing base, that not controlling our manufacturing base puts us in a weakened position, that we are racing towards the Cidides trap, meaning China and America right now have a gravitational pull to fight.

• 1:12:33Tom Bilyeu?

  If we are going to fight, China cannot control our manufacturing. Therefore, even though I get what he means by comparative advantage in a company, that is absolutely true. But this is all about what is the outcome that you want? My expected outcome of allowing China to continue to manufacture essentially everything for the world, including us, is that we are in a weakened position uh from a manufacturing standpoint on a whole host of levels, not the least of which is militarily. We will therefore lose a conflict with China, certainly just to keep it simple, over Taiwan. Taiwan, as of right now, today, controls chip manufacturing, which is your entire modern way of life. So, once you understand that as my base assumption, then even though I get comparative advantage,

• 1:13:18Tom Bilyeu?

  and hey, it was a fun moment to live through where we could disperse everything around the globe and let people specialize, and they do the thing that they specialize in, we do the thing that we specialize in, and everybody's happy. The problem is that made China strong, which created the Cidides trap. And so, as America has declined for a whole host of reasons, not just because of globalism, but protecting your empire becomes incredibly expensive. So, as America has declined and China has come on the rise, you set up the Cidides trap where we are going to collide with China, and I'm saying you've got to be prepared for that collision. So, in a time where globalism is the play, yes, you want everybody to specialize. As you set up the Cidides trap, you cannot be in that weakened position. Okay?

• 1:14:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, I've talked extensively about Trump is playing a game of chicken with the chaos that he's creating with the cross-the-board tariffs, and I don't know if in the long run, we will be better off or worse off. We will find out. But you must bring some manufacturing back to the US, and for the reasons that I just talked about, and The fact, another base assumption that I have, that deaths of despair among young men are largely due to the fact that there is a large cohort of American men that are not going to find white collar jobs. And if there's no blue collar jobs for them to have, you create a very big problem. And so another way that you solve that is by bringing manufacturing back to the US. Okay, so there it is. That's my take.

• 1:14:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Pushback?

• 1:14:47Speaker 03

  No, I'm formulating my question because I think that having the government run by a businessman,

• 1:14:56Speaker 03

  isn't he taking a business as a government perspective, but you think when it comes to tariffs in this specific case, there's greater implications. So that's why it's an exception.

• 1:15:05Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm saying that you can draw the parallel to business forever if you want, but you've got to come back out to 30,000 feet and say, okay, what makes a business work? What makes a business work is you have a desired outcome that you state, you hold everybody accountable to KPIs, and you try a thing, I call it the physics of progress, and you see, did it move the KPI in the direction that we wanted it to move? Running government like that makes all the sense in the world. Now, as you drill in to treating a government as a one to one with a company, you start getting things like, in a company, you do want comparative advantage. I don't want you doing things within the company that you don't do well. I would rather you specialize, and then I've got somebody else in the company that specializes

• 1:15:50Tom Bilyeu?

  in that other thing. And you each do what you specialize in. So he was talking about this with, one of the things that you always advise a young entrepreneur to do is how much time are you spending on things that you're not good at, that somebody else could do, that you could throw money at? Accounting, bookkeeping becomes like the first one where people just waste a lot of time. And so you say, okay, don't do that. And he uses a great example. Destiny, you're really good at streaming. Go do the streaming. Let an accountant handle the bookkeeping. The thing that you do that generates money is the streaming. Go do more of that, 100%. When you start talking about a country where you have global politics at play, where you have a potential war between you and another country, you have to say, that is an end state that you want to protect against. So if you come back out to the 30,000

• 1:16:32Tom Bilyeu?

  foot view, and you say, okay, physics of progress, known end state, known KPI. So I'm saying one of the KPIs is you have to be able to control your military manufacturing. We don't do that right now. Because the future of military is largely drones. China basically controls all drones. This is way oversimplified, but we'll give you an example of what I'm talking about.

• 1:16:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:54Tom Bilyeu?

  So now, even though China is far more efficient at creating drones than we are, we have an obligation to protect ourselves from a future military conflict that's largely drones and controlled by China. You don't want to be in that position. Just like if we were about to go to war with Canada, I would not want them controlling our electricity. So even if they can supply it along the northern border for cheaper than we can, if I knew that we were going to be in a potential conflict, I mean, insert Israel and Gaza. Gaza should control its own electricity 100%. You should immediately go, I can't have these people who are wildly antagonistic towards us controlling our electricity. That's fucking crazy. So we've got to find a way to completely wean ourselves off of them. Now, people are going to argue that there's reasons why they can't, whatever. Just you get the concept.

• 1:17:40Tom Bilyeu?

  So if you use business where the people work for you and therefore you can do the specialization across the country, uh, sorry, across the company, uh, that you have other companies, if you can trust them to continue to supply you, which, speaking from experience, you can't always. When we were small, we couldn't trust that other companies wouldn't try to choke off our access to protein. Therefore, we've got to make sure that we diversify, that we've got it coming from multiple sources. So, um,

• 1:18:17Tom Bilyeu?

  depending on the level of analysis, you can parallel countries and companies. If you're not careful, you will start making decisions that don't make sense when you try to try to draw a one-for-one parallel.

• 1:18:31Speaker 03

  Uh, Larry Fink had some words for Trump about deportation, uh, and about, this kind of goes back to our conversation at the last live where we talked about, Ken, is it a problem where there's not enough American workers to take those jobs? Or do we actually need immigrants to fill in the gaps in the American economy?

• 1:18:48Tom Bilyeu?

  I do believe deportations and the speed at which this is happening is going to have severe impact on the agriculture. Cultural sector and the construction sector. I've talked to CEOs in the ag sector and they remind me that seventy percent of the men and women who work in the ag culture were not born in the United States. Many of them are US citizens now, many of them have work permits and many of them don't. And forty percent of the construction workers were not born in the United States. You add that up. And what's going on, I think we're going to start seeing, especially when spring and the spring crops arrive. Are we going to have enough workers to harvest the crops? All right, and now.

• 1:19:28Tom Bilyeu?

  One, one of the most fascinating things to me about this era where we're able to see all of these talks because they're posted on YouTube or X in this case. Is that, bro, there are fucking laws. What's happening? Like this guy is literally just admitting, yeah, the way the world works is we all just completely ignore the law and we want these people that come into America that are working under the table for lower wages and hey, it better continue, man. I'm over here warning Trump like, bro, you gotta let these people stay even though they're illegal. What the fuck? Like, this is where I'm like, hey, by all means, go advocate for different policies. Go to the American people and say, dear American people, we don't believe that you're going to take these jobs and therefore

• 1:20:12Tom Bilyeu?

  we're going to increase immigration from places where we think we'll get a generation of really cheap labor and you guys are going to love it, you're going to benefit from it. And let the American people go either fuck you or yep, we're here for it. But this is nuts. This like quiet behind the scenes like, well, everybody knows that, you know, these are all being done by illegal immigrants. Like what the fuck? Policies, people, policies, like get the policies that you believe in, that you're willing to stand up for and say, yes, this is the policy. Like it's bananas that we want, like, look, laws are enforced selectively. If someone is rushing their wife to the hospital and they are driving fast, I would want the cops to show up and be like, hey, get behind us. We're going to get you there and make sure that your baby's safe. So there is a difference between the spirit of the law and the letter of the law, but when you start doing that shit, it's like, bro.

• 1:20:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Like just say what it is, like say what the thing is and let people decide. This is that whole elite mentality of like, all right, we're going to have some laws on the books, but we know what's actually best for America and you guys are going to be good. Like that's crazy town. So. We are in a competition right now where basically what we're saying to the world is, uh, do you want really cheap shit? Or do you want to be able to work for a living?

• 1:21:23Tom Bilyeu?

  That's it, because if you don't let cheap labor into the country, then you have options. Option one, we're going to import our fruit from other places. And we say, yeah, we really aren't willing to do these shops. So we're going to now outsource that kind of stuff. Put yourself in a very dicey position because now you don't make your own food. Yikes, don't love that, but it's an option. Option number two is we don't let these people in the country. And now farmers like, uh, fuck, I'm gonna have to pay more money to get people to come deal with my crops. Or honestly, what I think would happen is you would see investments into innovation that would allow us to drive the cost down. And this is why when you create these distortions in the market,

• 1:22:05Tom Bilyeu?

  distortions in this case being allowing illegal people to come in and do it for less. You don't get the innovation. The innovation here is turning a blind eye to illegal immigrants. I would just say either get people to say, yeah, I want this stuff to be cheap and I want to do it by importing immigrants. Then don't make it illegal. Just say this is what it is and let people in. But if you're not willing to say what you're actually doing, like this is nuts. Free speech is one of the most important things in the world. And the guy Mahmoud, if he has not done anything that violates the definition of free speech as the US government has laid it out, then I say you protect the life out of that.

• 1:22:49Tom Bilyeu?

  And free speech is about letting people say things that you think are abhorrent. So as long as it doesn't become a call for violence, et cetera, et cetera. Whether that person is a citizen or not, I think people should be protected with free speech laws. Now, having said that, I think that immigration is a very important question to get right. I think we do have a culture. I think we want to acknowledge that America has a culture. And I think you want to absolutely avoid with aggression, bringing people in and not expecting them to assimilate. You do not want to invite multiculturalism as very different from being a multi-ethnic culture. Multi-ethnic cultures, yay, love. But if you're coming to America, you should be coming here to become American as I would be.

• 1:23:31Tom Bilyeu?

  If I moved to Japan, I'd be going to Japan to embrace Japanese culture. Otherwise, I should stay in America. So I feel very strongly that if if you are talking about who are the people that we are going to invite into the country, who are the people that we're going to give citizenship to? Yeah, I'm totally here for people saying this is not, even though they're protected by free speech, this is not somebody that we want to give a green card to. This is not somebody that we want to become a citizen because they do not embrace American values? Yeah, cool, here for that. But having people say whatever they believe to be true, as long as it doesn't violate the things that the United States Supreme Court has already rendered a verdict on, that's crazy to me. That would be a huge mistake.

• 1:24:14Speaker 03

  And a federal judge has blocked Trump's attempt from deporting the green card holder Palestinian activist Mahmoud Khalil. He was one who led the protest at Columbia University.

• 1:24:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Word. So now it becomes a question of what can you do? What legal standing would you use if you want to not give somebody like that citizenship? The way that Lisa and I think about this in the company is everything needs to be done at the policy level. So don't do anything specifically about this guy. Just say, this is what's true about green cards. These are the people that we're going to give citizenship to. If you meet these qualifications, whether you're saying things that I don't like or not, is totally irrelevant. This is the standard for a green card, to get a green card. This is the standard for going from green card to citizenship. And then either he meets those qualifications or he doesn't. You should not be targeting people that you think, I fucking hate their

• 1:25:04Tom Bilyeu?

  views. That is a mistake. That is quickly how you go, all right, the president gets to decide what qualifies for a thing that can be said and can't be said. That that is absolutely a path to ruin.

• 1:25:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was a tough one. All right.

• 1:25:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Why is that tough? The immigration side is way tougher for me. The free speech side is easy. Immigration hard. If called for violence? No. If saying thing I hate? Yes. As long as you're not calling for violence. So if this guy's saying down with America, capitalism's evil, this should be a communist country, all Christians should repent and should convert to Islam? Cool. If you say all Christians should be killed? Problem.

• 1:25:51Speaker 03

  There's that line. It's just the thing of policing protesters. And there's no, everybody wants free speech until it's something that you don't want to be said.

• 1:26:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, exactly. This is why, I think it was the ACL, please fact check me. But this was in the 60s or 70s. The ACL stood up for the Klan's right to march in a town in Wisconsin, somewhere in middle America, where there were a bunch of concentration camp survivors. And the Klan wanted to march, or the neo Nazis, whatever they were. They were very anti Jewish. And they fought for their right to be able to do that march because they said, even though we think that their beliefs are abhorrent, they have the right to say it. Dude, I'm still on that bandwagon.

• 1:26:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Let people say what they believe to be true because I want to be able to say what I believe to be true. And if one government is saying, oh, these are the bad guys. I know when they get voted out of power, which they will, and the other group comes in, I might become the bad guy. So I want the people that I believe are the bad guys to be able to say whatever the fuck they want, as long as it doesn't violate the things that the Supreme Court has already ruled on. And I, the impulse to silence people is so misguided. And I get it, it's strong, but your government is not going to be in power forever. And so you should want a system that when the roles are reversed, protects you.

• 1:27:21Speaker 03

  Full stop.

• 1:27:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Full stop. But the immigration one, that gets trickier. Should this guy be allowed to become a citizen? Should he be allowed to keep his green card? Woof. That gets a lot tougher. That gets a lot tougher because you do not want to invite a bunch of people into your country who hate the values that your culture stands for. That to me is bad mojo. Yeah. That is very unwise.

• 1:27:42Speaker 03

  Ukraine has agreed to a 30-day ceasefire. And this is on the backs of the Zelensky Vance scuffle that happened. So I'm glad that we were able to kind of resolve and find something back to peace. We had a video that Mark Rubio did a press conference for CNN. We have that coverage?

• 1:28:03Tom Bilyeu?

  President, the Ukrainians have accepted, which is to enter into a ceasefire and into immediate negotiations to end this conflict in a way that's enduring and sustainable and accounts for their interests, their security, their ability to prosper as a nation. I want to personally thank, we both want to thank the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia's Majesty for hosting us, for making this possible. They've been instrumental in this process and we're very grateful to them for hosting us here today. And hopefully we'll take this offer now to the Russians and we hope that they'll say yes, that they'll say yes to peace. The ball is now in their court. And but again, the president's objective here is number one, above everything else, he wants the war to end. And I think today Ukraine has taken a concrete step in that regard. We hope the Russians will reciprocate.

• 1:28:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Today, we made an offer that the Ukrainians have accepted, which is to enter into a ceasefire. Yeah, we're about to find out if Russia is going to create a problem because they've really stood on there will be no ceasefire. So they want like a proper negotiated settlement, period, end of story. This is where we're at. This is now done. So we'll see. It will be very interesting to see. What I like is this paints Trump into a corner about now are you just going to back Russia? And be like, well, you know, having further looked at this, actually the deal that we got Ukraine to agree to, that wasn't really great. God, if he does that, like that really is a signal that homeboy is just batting for Russia. But if he's like, what the fuck?

• 1:29:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Like Russia's been offered something they really should take. We're going to start pressuring them like they are now acting in bad faith. It'll be telling. We're gonna see.

• 1:29:39Speaker 03

  He did have that tweet a couple of days ago where he was talking tough to Russia, saying that they need to chill. We got the negotiations on board. So with all signs pointing, it does seem like the ball is in Russia's court to end this war if they want to.

• 1:29:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, the ball's always been in their court in terms of they could end the war at any moment. The question is, now that Ukraine has said, okay, this is actually something that we'll take. Does Russia come to the table and go, okay, cool. Like, we're close. Let's really negotiate this out. And since I can see that this is close, let's agree to a ceasefire. Or do they go, not, we're either gonna get everything we want, or everybody can fuck right off. And then it's like, okay, now we know where we're at. This was nuts. Is this what we're about to look at?

• 1:30:18Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:30:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, my God. To all the parents out there, you are really gonna wanna pay attention to this. This is bananas. All right, little girl goes on rampage inside of Walmart. Take it away. Absolute chaos. Broke out at a Walmart today after a little girl was rampaging in the store, grabbing anything she could see in sight and throwing it across the floor or stomping on it. Eventually, parents are stopping and wondering, hey, where's this little girl's parents? And she wanders all the way to the other side of the store. These two parents try to stop and restrain her so she can stop destroying things. But then other parents come up and say, hey, it's not your job. It's not your child. Maybe don't stop her. So they say, hey, I guess so. They let her go. She keeps going on rampaging throughout the store.

• 1:30:59Tom Bilyeu?

  The craziest part to me, this white girl keeps following her yelling, hey, don't touch her. Don't yell at her. Don't touch her. Don't yell at her. She could one day be the president. Now, you can see here, the store employees are just watching it happen. Pause it for a second. They're powerless to do anything. She could one day be the president? Cool. I love it. Let's say that she does end up being the president. Are people worried that she's gonna be like, I remember that bitch that restrained me in Walmart. Like, fuck that shit. I'm coming after you and your whole family. What? I don't understand that argument. All right, keep playing it, cuz the fun continues.

• 1:31:32Tom Bilyeu?

  The store tells them not to do anything. Now, eventually, she walks over to these glass bottles, starts throwing them shattering glass and juice all over the floor. This man runs up to try to stop her, and the white girl shows up again. So she's like, don't you touch her. Don't you touch her. You don't- Know what she's been through as if that's an excuse to let her go on a rampage. Now, I think the situation is insane for two reasons. One, where are the girl's parents? And two, this girl that was following around saying, hey, nobody touch her, nobody yell at her, nobody trying to stop her. Is absolutely insane as if the best thing to do to a child that's freaking out is just let them break everything around them. That's my opinion. Let me know what you think of the comments and make sure to follow up. If you don't see the latest news.

• 1:32:09Speaker 03

  Wait, that's the end of the video? We don't find out whose parent this is? This, yeah.

• 1:32:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Bro. That is crazy town. So, speaking as a Gen Xer, let me just tell you how this would have played out if that had been me. Uh, somebody would have grabbed me by the arm and I want to read Shay's things, so don't go too far. Uh, someone would have grabbed me by the arm and been like, where's your mom? And you're not touching another thing. This is madness. Uh, they would have gone to my mom and said, you're paying for the damage that this kid did. And so there was a whole thing back then, you break it, you buy it. And my mom would have spanked my ass with a wooden spoon and been like, you're out of your fucking mind. And, uh, she would have been right. That's crazy. And so you hold the parent accountable by making them pay for the things that are broken.

• 1:32:56Tom Bilyeu?

  You hold the child accountable if you're the parent and P S you restrain that child. Not violently, but as I think this is where Jordan has the right idea. The minimum force necessary to restrain the child.

• 1:33:09Tom Bilyeu?

  That is lunacy. All right, I want to see Shay, who I know and love. She says, okay, parents speaking here. Uh, there has been proof that media and tech interaction has caused kids' brains to start reacting as addicts. But yes, it takes a village inordinate, inordinate, inordinate behavior has to be stopped. Uh, let's say crazy behavior, but also attention to the child. The rampage happened and no one is in sight that she quote unquote belongs to. Yeah, so there's, there's a lot of madness going on here, but, uh, you can't let a child run riot like that. That kid does not grow up to be well adjusted. I will just tell you right now.

• 1:33:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, it, it makes no sense to me. It's like, I feel like I just watched like a horror movie and like the killer just, and kills everybody and just walks out there. And then the credits roll. I'm like, wait, what? Like.

• 1:33:59Tom Bilyeu?

  You want to know how this ends?

• 1:34:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like, there's no, what? No way, no way. Like, I would have yoked her. I, I, I don't care. The, the girl who always said, would president, well, you and the president can get outside. Like, that's crazy. That's, you're throwing glass bottles around like that's. Like, that's nuts.

• 1:34:16Tom Bilyeu?

  That's nuts. That is unhinged.

• 1:34:18Speaker 03

  Nah.

• 1:34:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, yeah, I'm not sure, Miggy, they didn't necessarily learn it from somewhere. A kid will test the rules. What they learned is that they can get away with absolute murder and nobody's gonna check them. And they can just keep going and keep going and keep going. Professor Niji with Mouse Utopia. Okay, I've actually done some research. Shout out to, uh, please, God, What If Alt-Test? Uh, who I know has had his own troubles, but, um, he's the one that brought up Mouse Experiment. That basically, when things go too well and populations are allowed to grow unchecked, without any sort of restraining impulse, they actually implode and start like attacking each other.

• 1:35:01Tom Bilyeu?

  It is absolutely fascinating that there is some sort of, um, tripwire that makes the human psyche implode when it doesn't have difficulty to deal with. And The Matrix got this right. In the movie, if you haven't seen it, can't believe how old it is now that there's a lot of people that haven't seen it. Um, in the movie, the creators of The Matrix, who have quote unquote enslaved humanity, they say, "We built you a utopia and you rejected it." Like, we lost entire crops of humans because they could not deal with a utopia. They couldn't deal with things being okay. They need problems. They need a thing to harden them, to push back.

• 1:35:43Tom Bilyeu?

  I will also say, trees that you, uh, that grow up inside of a dome will fall over because there's no wind. They're never tested, and so they don't have to go strong, grow stronger. So they end up folding under their own weight, which is absolutely fascinating. The human immune system, if it is not assailed by germs, it will grow weak. And so you actually need difficulty. Like, I am so grateful. Shout out to my mom.

• 1:36:09Tom Bilyeu?

  My mom is the only thing that kept me from running riot. I have so much respect for my mom because I would test the limits. And every time I tested the limits with my mom, I found a limit. She was like, nope, not doing that. And whatever it takes, uh, we're gonna draw a line. And my favorite story of my mom was I had a friend who came into school one day. We were 13. He comes into school one day and he said, my mom tried to slap me and I blocked her. And she just broke down in tears and my mom's never gonna touch me again. I now am in control. And I was like, bro, the next time my mom tries to slap me, I'm gonna block her. This is gonna be so gangster. I can't believe I never thought to do it.

• 1:36:49Tom Bilyeu?

  So one point, I, I remember where I was standing at the front door about to leave for school. And I'm pushing my mom and pushing and she's telling me to do something. I'm like, no, not gonna do it. No, no, no. She goes to slap me, boom, block it. And I'm like, gotcha. And she goes to slap me on the other side and I was like, whoa. And I blocked that side. She caught me with the third one. And I remember standing there and being like, my mom's built different. I was like, respect. And, and I was like, oh, got it. Cool. Okay. My, my mom's not here for play. Like the, when she came with the third one, I was like, I didn't expect it. I was like, I defeated both sides.

• 1:37:25Speaker 03

  What do you mean? Is that now I won? I'm the new champion.

• 1:37:28Tom Bilyeu?

  And my mom was just like, no, no, no.

• 1:37:30Speaker 03

  Kid logic.

• 1:37:30Tom Bilyeu?

  We're not gonna play like this is the line. And the thing is, in my mom's defense, I was legitimately being a little ass. And I was just seeing like how far I can push it. And, uh, there was a line and there was not gonna be any crossing it.

• 1:37:44Speaker 03

  For me having a daughter, I didn't want it to be okay that like, I'm allowed to hit her. So I have a weird like line of like beating my, like beating her.

• 1:37:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, I wouldn't beat, that's a pretty terrible word. I would never say my mom beat me.

• 1:37:55Speaker 03

  Spank, I would, I wouldn't. Yeah, I wouldn't spank, lean. But I have like a good like flick thing that I do that kind of just annoys her at the right amount.

• 1:38:03Tom Bilyeu?

  And it's like dog whispery shit?

• 1:38:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, just a little like thing. My mom used to do like an ear thing where like I'll be at the church and she would like do this. I'm like, ah, and that's like, it didn't hurt, but it was just like a public shaming kind of thing. Cause I'm like, did other people see that? Like it was different. So I think that there is levels, but for a child to do that in Walmart, she has to have done that at home. She had like-

• 1:38:25Tom Bilyeu?

  And gotten away with it.

• 1:38:26Speaker 03

  Yes. Kids don't, kids don't just wake up one day like, okay, I'm going to terrorize everything. It's like, no, I'm gonna test one limit. Okay, I get away with this. I'm gonna test this limit. Oh, I can do whatever I want at the house. Well, maybe I can do whatever I want at Walmart. So there's an escalation that you should have, this should have been addressed years ago, let alone to say, look at this video and say, she's just tripping or something bad happened or there's something that led up to this. This doesn't just come out of nowhere.

• 1:38:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I think kids are programmed to push the limits, to see where the boundaries are. It, it, from an evolutionary standpoint, it's good. You want kids to push and like, get out there and try to take control of their own destiny and all that. Cause ultimately they are gonna have to completely reject their parents and survive on their own. So it's good that they test the limits to find out where the limits are. But if there are no limits, you now have a problem. And this used to be something that because people were, they were in a, a literal life and death situation, that you had to keep people in check because they would die or they would create a vulnerability in the tribe. You couldn't have that. Uh, once that evolutionary pressure goes away,

• 1:39:31Tom Bilyeu?

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