AI Agents Gone Rogue, Iranian Showdown, and the Future of US-China Relations | The Tom Bilyeu Show

On this episode of The Tom Bilyeu Show, Tom and Co-host Drew dive deep into some of the most pressing issues rocking the world stage. From the rapidly escalating situation in Iran—where a rejected ceasefire proposal, ongoing oil drama, and potential sleeper cell conspiracies have analysts and officials on edge—to the fallout from the recent Trump-Xi summit, listeners get an unfiltered look at international power plays and the ripple effects for global stability. The episode also explores the latest developments in artificial intelligence, including OpenAI’s alarming struggles with rogue AI agents, the threat of automated bank runs, and what Silicon Valley power brokers are doing behind the scenes to shape the industry. Beyond geopolitics and tech, Tom, Drew and channel moderator Ryan, tackle heated cultural debates—from controversial scientific theories on male attraction to the deeper forces shaping American and European economic mobility. With plenty of spirited back-and-forths, real-time breaking news, and practical insight into how economic, technological, and cultural forces collide, this is The Tom Bilyeu Show at its rawest and most relevant. What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: Want my help starting a business? Join me here inside Zero To Founder https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show Sign up for my AI Masterclass: AI Masterclass https://tombilyeu.com/ai-masterclass?utm_campaign=Live%20Masterclass&utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=evergreen Follow Me: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Thank you to our sponsors: Tailor Brands: Check out Tailor Brands to get started with your business today: https://bit.ly/TailorBrandsSept Quince: Free shipping and 365-day returns at https://quince.com/impactpod ElevenLabs: Book your demo at https://elevenlabs.io/impactpod Cash App: Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/v6nymgjl#CashAppPod *Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Cash App Visa® Debit Flex Cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC, and The Bancorp Bank, N. A., pursuant to a license from Visa U. S. A. Inc. See terms and conditions for the Sutton prepaid card, Sutton debit flex card, and Bancorp debit flex card. Cash App Green features, Savings, Direct deposit, Round ups, Overdraft coverage and Discounts provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast http://cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosure. Pipedrive: Get more leads and grow your business. Go to https://www.pipedrive.com/impact and get started with a 30-day free trial. Surfshark: Go to https://surfshark.com/TOMBor use code TOMB at checkout to get 4 extra months of Surfshark! Incogni: Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code IMPACT at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/impact See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:29Speaker 00

  We'll be diving into that. And the chief economist at Apollo has had to sound the alarm on AI, saying it could cause automated automated bank runs and wreak havoc in a way that people just are not prepared for. The Trump Xi meeting was a lot of noise, but there was little tangible progress. We didn't get some pandas. I will give us that. But what did we get on Iran? We got something, but it certainly was not what analysts were expecting. Saudi oil exports are up, way up actually. But the situation with the Houthis is still out of control. Saudi is gearing up for more shooting men. And they've instructed schools in Riyadh to go online so that people stay at home and presumably are safer.

• 2:12Speaker 00

  The Iranian sleeper cell conspiracy theory, heavy on the conspiracy theory, but it just got a boost as a bunch of guys were captured by law enforcement as they tried to attack a US military base in the UK. Now, details are sparse, but it's certainly looking interesting for a potential Iranian connection. We'll go into that. And, boys, the male gaze situation just got crazy with a recent scientific paper showing exactly why nature turned men into creepers. The answer is surprising to say the least. And we're going to answer the question. Are Muslim men right to hide women in sacks? We're going to get into all of that and more right now on the Tom Bilyeu Show Live. Welcome, everybody.

• 2:56Speaker 00

  All right, let's get into it. The situation in Iran is moving faster than people expect. Trump has just rejected a ceasefire proposal that came from Iran themselves. And Besen is getting pretty spicy about what he thinks is about to happen. Now, Iran apparently has gotten hungry for a ceasefire deal. On Friday, Iran floated a seven day deal. They would reopen the Strait of Hormuz and come back to talk nuclear within a week. And in exchange, the US would, of course, immediately lift the naval blockade on their ports, waive sanctions on their oil sales, and restore a regional ceasefire that also includes Lebanon. So basically, hey, give us everything that we want.

• 3:40Speaker 00

  And then we'll come back and we'll talk about the things that you actually care about. So needless to say, Trump gave this one a hard pass. He said, end of quote, "I reject their proposal." A very deep analysis. Now, according to Mike Waltz, Iran wanted everything upfront, which was obviously going to give them the economic oxygen that Scott Besen is actively trying to deny them. So you can think of Scott Besen is basically trying to choke out the regime to stop that oxygen from reaching the brain so that the Iranian regime will basically fold under the weight of an economy that's just in free fall. So inflation is going parabolic in Iran. There are rumors, though, I'm always skeptical about how much to believe. There are rumors that they're unable to pay the IRGC soldiers, that they're counting on to

• 4:25Speaker 00

  continue to bomb things in the strait, which may explain why the US has been able to get so much oil out of the strait in the recent week. Now, Besen went on Fox, called a shot, and he said that about 15 million barrels of Iranian oil are still on the water. But that revenue is only going to be coming in for like another minute. He put it at roughly two weeks. And once the things that are already on the water finally get delivered, then Iran has nothing left to sell. So let's take a listen.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  There's only 15 million more barrels of Iranian oil on the water that Iran will have nothing left to trade for anything. They will have nothing to trade for anything. Probably within the next two weeks, they are going to make their final deliveries of oil to China, and then they will have nothing. It is an empty set, and I believe that they are feeling the pressure here. And that's why they want a deal. And you saw when President Trump was leaving the White House this morning, the Iranians say they'll open the straits within seven days. Larry, the straits are open. If you take out the Iranian oil, which we're not letting out, we are not letting it out,

• 5:40Speaker 01

  that we're averaging now 15 to 22 million barrels a day. It was at about 20 pre-conflict. So you take out the one and a half or two Iranian barrels. So think of it this way, Larry. The score is United States, 1 billion. More than 1 billion barrels have gotten out. Iran, zero.

• 6:04Speaker 00

  All right, well, we'll see how long that holds. And we'll see how long the US is able to continue to escort ships through. They're hugging the coast of Oman, basically, to get everything out. They have the blockade. They've got the military there. And Iran is continuing to attempt to hit ships. And at the headline level, it does seem like they are still able to occasionally hit ships. And so the question becomes, as the money dries up, are they going to be able to continue to do that? And if the US is able to sustain that 15 to 22 million barrels a day, which is basically pre-war levels, then Iran is really going to be in dire straits. And so that is ultimately the mechanism. That is how Besen and Trump, in a one-two punch, are trying to choke these guys out.

• 6:49Speaker 00

  So Iran's currency has collapsed. Flights out of the country are now down 80 to 90% because we're now sanctioning anyone who fuels the Iranian planes. And so at this point, the real question is, is Iran actually going to fold? And so we've been hearing this narrative for a while. So I do maintain a healthy skepticism to whether or not they will actually break in a way that's meaningful to be able to just, you know, say that the strait is back open and we can send things without need for any more military intervention. Right now, I think everybody needs to assume that the military intervention is going to stay in place for a while, but we will see about that.

• 7:29Speaker 00

  So the real calculus that's going to play out right now is, is Iran judging the midterms accurately or not? If they're judging the midterms accurately, and what we're going to see is Trump basically get handcuffed, that everything that they're trying to do right now is going to be hampered by a flip of the House and the Senate. And so all of Trump's ability to be aggressive, to sanction them into oblivion, that that's all going to go away. Rubio has said that he thinks that's just a complete misread of the way that the US system works on behalf of Iran. And if Rubio is right, and that unfortunately, right now, the way that we're being governed is essentially just by executive order, the executive branch using the tools that it

• 8:13Speaker 00

  has at its disposal to go around a largely inert Congress, then they can expect for, you know, the remainder of Trump's term, they can expect that they're going to continue to get hammered. And so while I'm very skeptical that Iran is going to go broke in the next two weeks, when you start talking about the next two years, if we maintain this kind of economic pressure, if the blockade were to stay in place, then I think Iran would really be without options. I mean, at some point, they're just not able to fund the things that they want to do. So we're going to find out because we are racing towards the midterms, boys and girls. That's like a little over a month away. It is crazy how fast that has come. Yeah, so this week is October, right?

• 8:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, we've only got a few days left here of September. So we are a little over a month away from them getting the answer that they want. So we'll see. Now, when I read this, it really does seem like the US, for a while now, has just been going, okay, Congress is not able to get their shit together because there's so much partisan fighting that all of this is going to be done at the level of what can the president do, the executive branch do, without needing to get anybody's buy off. And as we're seeing, that's quite a lot. Now, it all gets reversed once you flip the executive branch back. So if in 28, we see Democrats there, then things will be unwound very rapidly in the same way that Trump unwound so much of what the Biden administration had done.

• 9:40Speaker 00

  So that's the whiplash of dealing with America that's going to continue to haunt us. But nonetheless, I wouldn't expect the midterms to do much to disrupt what the executive branch is able to do. You're just not going to get any legislation passed. And of course, they're going to try to pursue Trump and other members of his administration with impeachments. So we'll see if that's able to be a big enough distraction to stymie them. But this is not going to be the clean getaway that I think the Iranians are looking for, which is precisely why they're coming and trying to get a deal done now. So it is an interesting development without being conclusive in any way, that they have come forward and said, all right, hey, hey, hey, let's get a ceasefire in place. Seems pretty nakedly obvious to anybody paying attention that the reason that they

• 10:25Speaker 00

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• 13:45Speaker 00

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.

• 13:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, we have some conflicting reports coming in right now. So Kelsey just said that US and Iran are supposed to be talking today or tomorrow, leading to Trump saying that the Iran conflict is very soon to being over. But there's also a report from Polly Markets, so our prediction markets are beefing, that Iran predicted it declares it's prepared for a doomsday war with the United States. So it seems like if they can't get a deal, they're going all apocalypse on us.

• 14:14Speaker 00

  I should have pulled that clip because I heard that directly. And it went something like this, like, hey, we want a deal, we want to get out of this. But if we have to keep fighting, we will certainly do that. We'll keep our attempts to stop ships from going through. We'll keep hitting them and we're prepared to go back to military conflict. We're prepared to go all the way to a doomsday war. Now, that's a lot of bluster. You'd expect nothing else. So I don't really see anything contradictory there. Of course, we're going to be talking. But if everybody holds to their line, then I wouldn't expect anything to come of this. And right now, if Trump has made up his mind that, all right, whatever, I might lose the midterms. It is what it is. I'm going to rock out the next two years.

• 14:57Speaker 00

  Not being able to get legislation passed, but to be honest, I haven't been able to get much legislation passed anyway. So I don't really care about that. That's like deing to the legacy in terms of solidifying promises to the base and actually getting it turned into legislation. But if for two years he's able to deliver economic wins for the American people, which is what I think he's betting on, then we've got a chance, from his perspective, that they have a chance of holding on to a Republican executive branch and continuing to run the EO strategy. So that is how I imagine that Trump is looking at this. I think there for a while, a lot of his energy was just like, we've got to show some big wins before the midterms to make sure that we hold on to it.

• 15:40Speaker 00

  Look, he's never going to say this, but I think that they're basically in a position right now where they're sort of accepting that the midterms are going to be what the midterms are going to be. You heard last week when he was talking about, I don't think about the midterms at all. That does not factor into my decision-making in the slightest. This is entirely about ensuring that Iran does not get a nuclear weapon. So I think that's how this is likely to play out. I think the House and the Senate likely flip, barring something that I just cannot imagine between now and then. Your only hope is that Iran just completely capitulates before the midterms and like that manages to disseminate through the public in a way that they feel like if gas prices drop instantaneously, then maybe, just maybe, Trump is able to bang the drum like, see, I told you, and there isn't a flip.

• 16:25Speaker 00

  But even if there is, I think it's steady as she goes. It's going to feel just like it feels now. There's going to be tit for tat, but the US is basically going to force it to be open. More and more people are getting on board. There's rumors at the headline level that more people from Japan to much of Europe are now like, all right, bitch, you just can't keep fucking shooting ships going through the strait. Like, we're going to now back the US. Not because I think they want to. I think everybody's still pissed off with us. But I think at some point, it's just like, we can't have diesel prices like this. We can't be looking at a winter where people can't afford to heat their homes. And so that'll get people real practical, real fast. And so it really is possible that on the other side of what has been just an absolutely horrific, ill-advised approach to Iran,

• 17:11Speaker 00

  that we do get gas prices back down. And if we can get any growth in the economy from AI, that by the end of the remaining two years of Trump's term, that they can start stacking some economic victories and Republicans can maintain control of the executive order pipeline, even if Congress remains a total cluster.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it seems like Iran might be getting desperate because we have that base attack that happened in the UK. So this is a basic breakdown. This is from Politics UK. So what we know so far about the rare Ford suspected bomb plot. A farmer driving home in the early hours found three white vans blocking a village road with no one inside. Suspicious, she immediately turned around before seeing a group of Middle Eastern-looking young guys run off through the trees in the direction of the airbase wearing masks.

• 18:01Speaker 00

  So we should show the photo. I don't know if the photo was like AI, because I've seen photos where they're blurred out and I've seen photos where they're not blurred out. And in the photos where they're not blurred out, I would not say that they seemed overwhelmingly Middle Eastern. They were, I think, predominantly dark-skinned, but, bro, they've got black people. So I would be a little bit slower to say that this is like Middle Eastern people. I don't know. I could be wrong. Maybe this does end up being purely Middle Eastern people will see. I think this is a bigger question about Islamist ideology.

• 18:43Speaker 00

  And this is where I will remind people, once a fucking again, that Islam is not a race. It's not a race. It's an ideology. Okay, so they could be the snow whitest people on planet Earth and still have Muslim ideology. And by the way, they could be, like, we could find that this has nothing to do with Iran. So the reason I said that this gives the conspiracy theories a boost is right now, we don't know. We don't know what this is. We are going to need more information to come in. Now, would I be surprised that Iran is behind this? Absolutely not. They've got all the motive in the world. And the intelligence agencies have been warning that this base could be a potential target,

• 19:27Speaker 00

  given that you've had US military aircraft departing from there. So.

• 19:33Speaker 00

  Occam's razor says that yeah, this is probably tied to what's going on in the Middle East. But boy, do we all have to be careful with the like, they look Middle Eastern and therefore we have a problem because it just, it's an ideology. It's an ideology. It's an ideology. We've just got to get people on board with that. Otherwise, we're gonna think through this poorly.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  I have a bunch of shitty photos. It doesn't really help. You can kind of see it. And now I have an ad popped up. We'll get back to it. I'll find a better photo for you as we finish this.

• 20:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, so this is one where it was conspiracy enough. I didn't grab the photo, but now I'm wishing that I had. But yeah, so there are ones that show one guy looks just straight down the middle African, not African American because he's in the UK, but

• 20:18Speaker 02

  Don't put this, don't put this in there.

• 20:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's like, hey, hey. He, he has black skin. How about that? So, um, yes, please separate those two. It is so deranging to hear people talk about this as if it breaks by race. Um, yeah, it breaks by ideology.

• 20:37Speaker 02

  Continuing on with the rundown, one van displayed a UK number for a company called Fuel2U, which was not registered on Companies House. That number also appeared to be one digit short and does not ring when called. So the farmer immediately called 999. That's their equivalent of 911. And five men were arrested within 24 minutes under the explosive axe home where homes were evacuated and a major incident was declared just after 8:00 AM. Later today, the two rear doors of two of the vans were open and large black containers could be seen scattered around with a bomb disposal robot operating next to the vans. So TLDR, it seems like a farmer found stumbled upon the plot, called it in, five people were arrested. I've seen some tweets that she said that she's seen eight to 10. So she's surprised that they're only captured five, but this is developing and we're still figuring it out what's going on.

• 21:21Speaker 00

  Yeah. So, I mean, listen, if unless Iran is asleep at the wheel, you can expect there to be sleeper cells, right? This is, this is what countries do. Uh, the US has cells all over the world, boys and girls. So this is like just good, uh, intelligence hygiene. Now, the way that they conduct, uh, their operations, obviously people should be cracking down on as hard as humanly possible. Uh, but nonetheless, nobody should be surprised if this is that, uh, as there is an open war going on between the US and Iran right now. And when you bomb somebody's country, they tend to feel some type of way about it and they will do whatever they can to stop you. Uh, and so if there are vulnerabilities

• 22:05Speaker 00

  that are being created by immigration policies that are fully retarded, then yes, they're going to take advantage of that. So, uh, the UK definitely has immigration problems. The US has wild immigration problems. So you can expect this kind of thing to, um, be a strategy that is running. Whether this ends up being that strategy or not, we're gonna find out in the fullness of time. Uh, but yeah, certainly nobody should be surprised if that's how this plays out.

• 22:30Speaker 02

  Um, I know we've been talking about the Iran war and it wrapping up allegedly, but Saudi and the Houthis, their conflict seems to just be dragging on. Do you think that that can throw a rock into these Iran talks? Or is it kind of separate as of right now?

• 22:42Speaker 00

  I really don't think it is separate. This is all one big thing. And what's interesting to me is as Iran has gotten weakened economically, the Houthis have been bolstered. So there's some cause and effect here that is not making its way into the mainstream media where people can figure out, okay, wait a second. Is it that Iran is just saying, okay, what little money we have, we're gonna do one last desperate attempt to get the Houthis all wound up? Is it that the Houthis like, all right, well, these guys aren't paying us. So now we're gonna go be aggressive. Uh, I'll remind everybody that Japan attacked the US not at peak strength. It attacked when its oil supply got cut off by the US and they realized, okay, well, it's now or never. So it's very possible that the Houthis sensing that their funding was gonna dry up. They were like, we've got to make a move. I don't know. I'm just trying

• 23:27Speaker 00

  to put historical context into how these things tend to play out. Uh, so that would not surprise me, but these are all related. Now, what's interesting is that you're actually seeing solidarity start to come in the Middle East as a result of Iran going so hard in the paint. And so just like the US was hoping to Venezuela, Iran, and that didn't work out. And Iran, the Houthis, Hezbollah, they all got way more active as the US tried to, um, you know, make everything go smoothly. It exploded the problem, got way worse. Um, Iran now is suffering the exact same thing. So as they say, the enemy always gets a vote. And so if you're the Houthis, Saudi is your enemy, but Saudi gets a say in this. And

• 24:12Speaker 00

  so as they start stacking their Apache helicopters, as they put in their order, which will take years to deliver, but they're going to be a very different fighting force in the future. They've got F-35s now on order. And so they're gonna be up against a far more formidable foe than they were originally. And so it's like, everybody's playing their cards. Everybody's gonna react. The world is always reshaped by kinetic conflicts like this. Everybody gets so much better, uh, at building weapons that are effective against the current enemy instead of trying to fight the last war. And so it'll be very interesting to see what the GCC nations do, especially Saudi and the UAE. How much closer this brings Saudi, Oman, uh, and, um, the UAE together? Do they all go, all right, we just, we can't

• 24:57Speaker 00

  have this shit. Like these guys are popping off too hard. Uh, and so we're seeing Saudi at least try to open a deeper dialogue with the US. They haven't gotten the response from the US that they wanted. Uh, but I don't know what the behind the scenes things are. If Trump is basically saying, listen, we're gonna support the shit out of you. Come on, like rock with us. But I can't start shooting at the Houthis because I've got enough problems on my own. You guys are gonna have to carry that burden. We're gonna give you weapons. Uh, we're going to give you diplomatic cover, but we're not gonna be able to just join directly in the fight. It's entirely possible that MBS feels okay about that and is prepared to march forward, uh, building up his own arsenal, taking on his own defense, which

• 25:40Speaker 00

  honestly is gonna need to be the US approach to the globe moving forward is, all right, kids, we are the world's gun store. We're open for business, but if you're not willing to fight and die for your own country, do not expect us to do it for you. We're far more of a regional hegemon than we are now trying to police everybody globally. We will come in, we will do the occasional thing when it's in the US best interest. Uh, but we're not going to be the de facto police of the world. It's become too expensive. And if we make that flip, it'll be way better for the US economy. I fully expect people to have moral compunctions with it because it just sounds horrific to be the world's gun store, but that is certainly more accurate. And since we are largely already the world's

• 26:24Speaker 00

  gun store anyway, uh, at least we can stop being the one sending our troops to fight and die on the ground. So I would say while still mortifying, uh, it is a better solution than the one that we're in right now.

• 26:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. And speaking of Iran, uh, China, their biggest benefactor seems to be switching sides because there's reports that they just frozen their assets. Um, Iranian president was on China, was on Fox News and said that all our money in China has been frozen. Let's hear from him.

• 26:57Speaker 03

  One of the problems that we face is that our money in China is blocked. The fact that you touched upon earlier, the, the accusations that we supply so and so with fundings, we can't even get our own money out of a country to which we have supplied goods, let alone using those funds to pay someone else in another corner of the world.

• 27:19Speaker 00

  Okay, so, uh, to ensure that the Tom Bilyeu Show, uh, pushes as little, um, fake news as humanly possible, I will say I did a deep dive on this and this, everybody needs to take this with a grain of salt. So first of all, he's almost certainly referring to something that happened in the past. Money that's been frozen for quite a while in China. People are saying that basically the translator using the word blocked, like made it sound like something that was happening right now, that this was a fresh decision and he should have used like the word frozen or something. I forget the like ins and outs of it. So anyway, this is something that's old. This is not like something that came out of the Trump Xi meeting, which we're gonna get into because ultimately I think the Trump Xi meeting

• 28:01Speaker 00

  was basically a lot of noise, but seemingly very little tangible progress. The stuff coming out of Iran is old news. It is not because Trump and Xi sat down and Trump said, yo, bro, do me a solid. You gotta stop helping these Iranians. That's just not how China gets down. So, uh, everybody's going after their best interests and that includes China. And if China wants to get cheap oil from Iran, they're gonna keep getting cheap oil from Iran. They have made it very clear that they will be dismissive of the US's sanctions, that they do not recognize them at all. So, uh, unfortunately, we all need to be very careful not to get sucked in by this. I really wanted to believe that there was like real progress that came out of this summit, but the progress that came out of the summit

• 28:43Speaker 00

  is basically a couple pandas. These things are cute. I'm not gonna lie. But where are we with Iran and tariffs? We haven't really made any progress. So. We got these two extra months to negotiate, but that was not what analysts were expecting. So despite all of the pomp and circumstance, despite the headlines that are going to try and make you believe that there was some big progress being made there. That unfortunately is not what came out of the meeting between Trump and Xi. It's basically that meeting did very little to cool the tensions between our two countries. Now, listen, I for one, love seeing these guys get together and say very calming, very gentle words. This is a good thing. We should want that. And even though it's basically manipulation and diplomacy, you need a little diplomacy.

• 29:28Speaker 00

  You need everybody to chill. But the US-China trade truce, which was going to set, uh, which was going to expire in November, is now only pushed back to January. So we get two extra months. It's not nothing, but that's the entire deliverable from the three-day state visit where you saw like red carpet airport greetings and military reviews and an extravagant state dinner that was packed with our tech executives and all of that. Uh, but at the end of the day, Besen announcing the extension on Fox is about all that you got out of this. So again, two months isn't nothing, but analysts were expecting something like six months or more. So there's just so much contentious stuff that we still have to work through.

• 30:13Speaker 00

  I don't think anybody should be getting too excited just yet. Think about the open items, by the way. We've got Iran, Taiwan, tariffs, rare earths, chip export controls, uh, Chinese purchase commitments. By the way, that's a big one. So right now, the question is really that why is the deadline being kept so tight exactly? Is it because that we're super close to getting a deal done? I would say almost certainly not. It's probably the exact opposite because if we were actually getting close, Trump would have fallen over himself to tell you what a big deal the meeting was, how much cool stuff we got out of it. There's going to be this and that, but he didn't do that. And you guys know that he is a psychopath for like banging his chest

• 30:57Speaker 00

  and saying, we've got all this stuff, never anything ever better. But he was super vague. So, uh, despite the fact that, like I said, I love to see these guys talking nice, I'm not fooling myself into thinking that there's really been a lot of progress made. If you go by the numbers, uh, China's on pace for its $25 million soybean pledge, but it committed in May to $17 billion a year in other US farm goods. And USDA data shows we're nowhere near that. So we've clocked in about 3.9 billion so far, but that's way off pace. And rare earth deliveries are also short. Plus there are no new purchase commitments that came out of the summit.

• 31:40Speaker 00

  So on Iran, Xi has said that he doesn't want Iran to go nuclear, but he's said that before. He's also said that he would like to see the straight open, but that's nothing new. He doesn't want to see tolls being charged, obviously, because he would be paying some of them. But that is not the same as saying that, don't worry, guys, we're going to stop providing them the support that is allowing them to continue. Uh, it also is not the same as saying that we'll abide by US sanctions, which they are obviously not going to. Then you've got Taiwan. So Xi is still pressing Trump, as he has pressed every American leader, uh, to oppose independence. And I think Washington actually does like officially oppose their independence, but they remain that strategic ambiguity. And so Washington hasn't changed their tune on that.

• 32:24Speaker 00

  The $14 billion arms package that Trump called a negotiating chip in May still sits in limbo. Obviously, if Trump is smart, he's not going to give that up unless he gets something massive, since guess who those weapons would be used against? So that one is a bit of madness. Uh, but nonetheless, when you're the world's gun store, you have to recognize that some of those guns will eventually be pointed at you. So yeah, we'll see how that one plays out. Now on Iran, Trump confirmed that they talked about it. He asked about Hormuz. He said something like, I think we're going to do great. Uh, what does that mean? What does that mean? That's vague. It's vague on purpose. Now on AI, he posted before the meeting that he wanted to leave it exactly where it is.

• 33:07Speaker 00

  And supposedly, as the summit went on, that was the exact punchline. Neither of these two superpowers are going to crimp AI, not, not under Trump's leadership. So remember, his message, which by the way, is true. Whoever wins AI wins. That's true. It's intelligence. We're talking about intelligence. Whoever has the most intelligence, especially if it's by a large margin, is going to have an advantage across the board. There isn't anything that doesn't get better if you have more intelligence to throw at it. So there you have it. All right. Trump's own summary of the summit was something like friendship, strength and success. Great for farmers. Exactly how? No specifics.

• 33:50Speaker 00

  Great for everybody, but if you push him to give you like the real thing, like, hey, what's the actual new agreement that you have? There's nothing. So, um, we're super light on substance. So boy, do I want it to turn into something cool. Boy, do I want to make sure that we never go kinetic with, uh, China. But this summit did not take you a step closer, basically on any front. We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead. So don't go anywhere. Let's talk about your sales pipeline reviews. If your CRM is half-empty fields and notes, nobody finished, every review turns into guesswork. I've seen it so many times in my own sales team, and that's where today's sponsor, Pipe Drive, comes in.

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• 35:33Speaker 02

  I always like have that pushback of us going to a kinetic war with China because we are economically in bed together. So like with China's sacrifice, its way of life, just to see America be in ashes. I just don't see them in that like ideological sense.

• 35:47Speaker 00

  It won't go like that. It really is Thucydides' trap, though. And so what's interesting is that, and I talked about this Wednesday, Friday. Uh, so you've got Xi saying, hey, we can avoid Thucydides' trap, but remember what Thucydides' trap is. It's rising superpower rightfully claiming its position in at number one. And the declining superpower not accepting that they're now the little bro. And so the very second that you put that in Thucydides' trap language, he's acknowledging, we see ourselves as the rising power that's taking its rightful place in world order. And you guys just need to back off. And because it's two people, you know, nations,

• 36:29Speaker 00

  but ultimately run by people that are feeling some type of way about their sense of pride. And that's how you get sucked into the fight. And so it ends up being a back and forth where you're worried that something's going to break. Now, because I've lived through a cold war before, I know it does not need to go kinetic. And so the US and Russia managed to do a very long-term cold war battle. And then economics ultimately decided who is the victor. And my hope is that that's how this is going to play out. If it wasn't for Taiwan, I'd be like, bro, this is just going to be a 40-year cold war. Like this, that we're not going kinetic at all. But man, if China's really going to sweat Taiwan, because what, what that forces us to do is if we can't get out

• 37:14Speaker 00

  from behind rare earth minerals, meaning we're able to produce them ourselves, and we don't have the stranglehold on chips that we have in Taiwan right now, now you're in a position where you have to act because you can't let China have that kind of control over you. And so that would force something. Now, what that something is, is a lot of question marks. Now, hopefully, the US is being smart and they're racing to get chip manufacturing here on our own soil. But I mean, TSMC has just managed to do something that is really incredible. And when you hear this story of like how they called their shot and how the government basically forced private enterprise to get involved in this, it's a fascinating story of somebody who understood

• 37:57Speaker 00

  how they create something of such leverage that they could get the protection of the US. Because why does the US care about a small island full of Chinese people off the coast of mainland China? It's like, the only reason they care is because our entire modern way of life is predicated on these chips. And so we can't let China have control, both of the chips and the rare earth minerals. So we've got to solve those two problems. Unfortunately for Taiwan, if we solve those two problems, I don't think the US would stop them. That's the bad news.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  Uh, a milestone for China, like as an aside, they just crossed 1,000 gigawatts of solar power. So largest amount any country has ever installed. And it's equal to the entire electrical output of the United States, which is like wild.

• 38:43Speaker 00

  This is a wake-up call, boys and girls. Stop being stupid with your energy policy. I was watching videos, I think it was a, uh, um, teacher, like a college professor in Belgium, I believe. And Antifa or Antifa-like characters rush his classroom, film them basically smashing him in the face with pies and...

• 39:07Speaker 00

  I wasn't able to learn enough about what the, what he teaches about energy policy, but I'm going to guess that it's something along the lines of we've got to bring on nuclear energy, we've got to start making, um, energy production a priority, no matter what that means, and we can't keep making these stupid energy policies that we have been making, uh, this far. And that is absolutely true for the US. We've got to do the same. And so to see when you've got Europe and the US tearing itself apart from the inside because you have people that are on the extreme left that don't want to see, basically, they don't want to see world population be sustained at the levels that it's at now. They certainly don't want to see it grow and they don't want to see more energy be

• 39:51Speaker 00

  brought on. They're completely alarmist about nuclear, which is absolutely unjustified in the extreme. And so you're, yep, there it is. Uh, and so this guy is there like smacking him around with pies. Uh, that's meant to be the rebuttal to energy policy and we're going up against China for AI supremacy and they're bringing on energy, which in 2027, it may already be the bottleneck as we're learning from what's going on with Oracle and the data center in, um, New Mexico, but energy production is becoming the big problem. And so we can control chips as much as we want. We can have, um, moved forward

• 40:34Speaker 00

  on data center construction and generated all the capital that we need to make all of that happen. But if we can't get people in America onboard with energy policy that makes sense, we're not going to be able to get these facilities up and running. It is absolute madness. And so it's wild watching the most successful countries on the planet ever in all of human history now tear themselves apart from the inside over moronic anti-human policies. It's so bizarre, but yet here we are. And so China is just not conflicted. They are going to keep bringing on energy and they're smashing us with the rate of energy that they bring on. So, man, I really want us to wake up because I live here and

• 41:16Speaker 00

  I would like to see this go very well. Uh, but right now, man, the West is just shooting themselves in the face.

• 41:25Speaker 02

  And it also seems like the cars are getting reshuffled in a bunch of different ways, whether we're talking about energy, actual energy production, whether we're talking about refinement, diesel, oil, the war. Now we have immigration conflict, climate change is kind of taking a backseat, but there's still some advocates for that that still have like pushed legacy energy projects. So it seems like there's a lot of, uh, policies that need to be like fixed, reorganized, or at least reevaluated at what their efficacy was over these last couple of years.

• 41:52Speaker 00

  Yes, aggressively, but this is all downstream of culture. If we don't fix our culture, we are toast. Uh, so that that doesn't be a vague statement. It goes something like this. You have to believe in your team. So if you're China, you gotta believe in China. Respect. You, you are a worthy adversary, but you're an adversary. And so, but I respect you and I think that you guys should be focused on what's good for China. That's just smart. The US should be focused on, we want the US to win. This is exactly, uh, how you get innovation. You have two sides that are like, I don't want to lose. It ends up being better for the world in the long run. It doesn't mean that there aren't bumps. I get that. It doesn't mean that there isn't risk and danger. I get all of that. But so far, humanity has been able to walk this line and we don't walk this line by desperately trying to move

• 42:36Speaker 00

  backwards. That's how countries just fall off. It doesn't have the global impact that you think it's going to have. It simply creates an opportunity for other countries to grab the mantle and run with it. That is a tale as old as time. So any technology that promises an advantage will get developed. Okay. And we have God knows how many hundreds of thousands of years of that, and it's gotten better. Life has gotten better. So if we cannot, from a cultural perspective, get people onboard with, I want my team to win. So we are going to play this game to win. We are going to pull the best and the brightest forward. We are going to put policies up against real world deliveries. And if they don't work,

• 43:19Speaker 00

  we stop doing them. If they do work, then we do more of it. And it is insane to me that you, you need a dictator to show you what that looks like? Like, that's so dumb. People have got to pull their heads out of their asses because if you don't, we will go the way of the UK. Now, I imagine many of you are too young to realize just how powerful the UK used to be. Like when I was a kid, they had already fallen way the fuck off, but they weren't where they are now. They went from the biggest empire the world has ever seen to now like a country, basically nobody thinks about. It, it is crazy. So if you don't think that the US can fall off that hard, and that by the way, there are

• 44:04Speaker 00

  massive economic consequences to that, people in the UK are getting poorer by the year. Is that the trajectory that we want to be on? That's madness.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  This kind of brings me up to the Peter Thiel thing about America's young and Germany's young and like the inherited. Is that like, let's play that clip. Cause I was like, this is definitely giving me shades of that.

• 44:24Speaker 04

  I looked up, and this is again, it's one, one particular dimension to look at. But if you look at the 50 wealthiest people in the US, and most, and most of this money comes from, you know, particular companies, um, only 12 are a Gen X or younger. People born 1965 or later. So it's, you know, it's also pretty much dominated by old people who've had more time to compound their wealth. Germany, it's actually more distributed. It's, um, they're 20 of the 50 people are Gen X or younger of the 50 wealthiest people in Germany. But here's the difference. In the US, nine out of 12 of those people made their own money. In Germany, all 20 of those 20 inherited it. Not a single person did

• 45:09Speaker 04

  something new, made, made some new money, built, built a large, new scalable company.

• 45:14Speaker 00

  Dude, that, that is so brutal. People don't understand how damning it is that in Germany, all of the young people with money just inherited it. They don't understand how powerful it is that the majority of young people in the US that have made their money actually made their money. They didn't get it from their parents. And once you understand how wealth is actually created, this is the thing that drives me crazy. People make out like the stock market isn't available to everybody. It is available to everybody. It's just that most people do not avail themselves of that. And entrepreneurship is gated only by temperament. So whether you want to do it or not, and intellectual ability. Now, admittedly, those

• 45:54Speaker 00

  are two vicious things that God has seen appropriate to dole out in a very inconsistent manner. But nonetheless, that in the US is available to anybody. And by the way, it's gotten pushed down lower and lower and lower on the totem pole such that somebody with no connections, no money can start a company now largely because of AI and a ton of other people building software to make this all so much easier over time. And it's just absolutely breathtaking, the opportunities that people have now. But culturally, in Europe, you've got the whole tall poppy syndrome. So whoever pokes their head up and says, you know, I'm dreaming big. I want to do this cool thing. They get cut down. I remember when Timothy

• 46:38Speaker 00

  Chalamet, who was like, I'm basically not going to succumb to this whole idea of, um, trying to be so cool that I'm not pursuing anything big. Like I'm trying to be the greatest actor ever. I so resonate with that. And it absolutely is devastating to me that kids are moving away from that, that young people don't believe in having gigantic dreams and striving to be the best and wanting to win, wanting to accumulate wealth and resources. Like dude, that, that is the human game. And I understand people don't like that, but go back a hundred thousand years. What would you have been trying to do? You would have been trying to get more animals than you need to eat. You would have been trying to get enough berries and mushrooms socked away and frozen so that you could survive the

• 47:19Speaker 00

  winter. We are evolutionarily hardwired to acquire resources. That's what we do. And so now as we're like spiraling out of control because we have had access to so many resources for so long, things have been going so well for so long, that there's now space for people to just completely derail because they're never encountering the reality of how difficult life actually is. Now we're going to find out. But the bad news is it takes a long time for this to play out. It takes like a hundred years for it to get bad enough that people go, all right, fuck all this. Like we're going to play to win again. Look at Argentina. They went through this exact thing. It took more than a hundred years for you to finally get a Malay character.

• 48:05Speaker 00

  To come in and eliminate tens of thousands of government jobs, which is absolutely necessary because the government becomes a parasite on the people. That's what governments do. That is exactly why the US was founded on the principles that it was founded upon. They watched it happen over and over and over. You get run by tyrants and policies that just take and take and take from the populace and make it impossible for you to get out from under that level of corruption because people are still hardwired to get access to resources. So if you're not going to give them a capitalistic type system in which to do that, then they will just skim off of everybody else. It is a nightmare. The stuff is playing out in just broad daylight.

• 48:47Speaker 00

  And so we've got to get culture right. If we don't, we're going to end up exactly where Peter Thiel is pointing out that people have ended up in Germany, where you're still going to have super wealthy people. They're still going to control the fucking government, but it's going to be that old money where there's just these solidified classes rather than being in a position where a young kid from anywhere in America can make it on the back of going, oh, the way to get wealthy is to make something that people don't have and they want, say less, and they go out and actually build that thing. That's how we build wealth in America. And we should want to see more of that, but day by day, we want to see less. It's insane.

• 49:24Speaker 02

  And speaking of Malay in Argentina, he's doing a victory lap right now because inflation numbers came in and they came down huge. We're talking 20 percentage points. So in December of 23, when he took office, it was at 25.5.

• 49:37Speaker 00

  That's monthly, man.

• 49:38Speaker 02

  June 24th, it was 4.6. December 24th, 2.7. So every six months, it's been fluctuating or going trending down ultimately. But like it or not, going from 25.5 to 1.7, that is a win. And shout out to Malay for actually cutting it down.

• 49:55Speaker 00

  Massive win. Yeah. What he's doing there is absolutely incredible. It's a great example, but of course, people look at it. They want to see him fail. So there's tons of propaganda against what Malay is doing. But it is absolutely fascinating to see him actually get that country under control. And it starts very simply. You must balance the budget. You must balance the budget. And so he's got government surpluses for the first time in God knows how long and is actually using it to get the country stabilized and moving in the right direction. It is not easy. And of course, there are going to be plenty of difficulties along the way. But what he's already accomplished is breathtaking. I'd be very interested to see if he's able to retain power. We'll see.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  Do you think austerity can work in America with our mannerisms, our culture, stuff like that?

• 50:44Speaker 00

  Will we go for it? Or will people revolt in the streets? We will probably look like France, which France is an embarrassment. What a tragedy. What a tragedy. But yeah, I fear that we're going to look very similar to that. My only hope is because we don't have, we have a very strong contingent contingency in America that is very entrepreneurial. And my only hope is that we're able to push back much harder against the lunacy of, I'm not even, I hate saying the lunacy on the left. It just makes us so partisan. But people that have that mentality of like, we don't want to grow. The capitalist system is, is the root of all evil. They're

• 51:28Speaker 00

  completely divorced from the reality of the human experience. Like, we have to avoid that mentality. So France, I don't know if they ever quite had that. So my hope is that America, spending 250 years collecting the most entrepreneurial people in the world, that we have a little bit of cultural juice that we can lean on. We have a way better origin story that we can point people at, that we can revitalize that. Gen Z, Gen Alpha, like, I'm really looking at you guys, man. And so wanting to see them rise up with a mentality of, wait a second, I want to play to win. I don't want to just sit back and, you know, not live a life with meaning and purpose. So fingers crossed.

• 52:10Speaker 00

  But I do worry that it's going to look very French for a while as the two sides go to battle, where austerity in and of itself is met with violent protests.

• 52:21Speaker 02

  And just for the record, austerity is different than trickle down economics. Austerity is just pretty much balancing the budget, fiscal discipline. Trickle down economics is a political talking point.

• 52:32Speaker 00

  Well, let's talk about trickle down economics because it's something that people use to try to make out like, hey, rich people getting rich doesn't help anybody else. So fuck those kids. I don't want to hear another word. It never seems to trickle down. There's a mechanism. Once you identify the mechanism of why it doesn't quote unquote trickle down, then you can stop the madness from happening. The reason that, first of all, when people are doing well, when the wealthy class is doing well, it does create jobs. And this is why you see in the 80s, we pull out of the death spiral that was the 70s. And I think people lose sight of that. So it actually did work. And so the question becomes, why do you still get this hollowing out of the middle class? Because that ultimately is what people care about. The reason you get the hollowing

• 53:17Speaker 00

  out of the middle class is you go from the 80s into the 90s where we start globalizing and we start bringing in cheap labor and we start sending jobs overseas. And that is why the quote unquote trickle down economics never actually reached people, is so many of the jobs that were being created by the boom just ended up going elsewhere. This is why you've got to figure out, like, if you're on the left, you've got to figure out, okay, what are we going to do that's like Trump's policies, but are better. I'm super open to something better. But what he's trying to do is return to Hamiltonian economics, where you're trying to be protectionist so that your industry is here. And so by building here, by making things here, not only are you in a much stronger position from just, I don't have everything being made by an adversary, but you're also

• 54:02Speaker 00

  creating jobs. Remember, not everybody wants a white collar job. Not everybody's cut out for a white collar job. So if you don't have blue collar jobs, there's a huge part of your population that's just not going to be able to make enough money. And your workers are disempowered. And if you want to see people get more money, it isn't about bringing in unions. I've covered this over and over. It is about the ability to actually do a thing that we're not just sending somewhere else. I'm going to set AI aside for now and robotics for now. But if you just look at what it takes to empower the workers so that they can drive their wages up, you've got to be manufacturing here in the US. And so the fact that we were importing cheap labor and exporting

• 54:45Speaker 00

  jobs, you've got this double whammy. It didn't have to do with the fact that, oh, wealthy people are getting wealthy. So you want to see people that are productive with their money. That's a huge part of this, meaning they're builders. So getting mad at Elon is fucking retarded. Getting mad at somebody who's third generation money. Okay, I understand the beef. So when you're looking at people that are productive with their money, meaning they're creating things or creating jobs, they're making your way of life actively better, they're creating jobs for people, especially if they're doing it here in the US. These are the kinds of things that we should be celebrating, looking at, and making sure that we have policies that protect it because that's how money gets into the economy. Money into the economy means jobs,

• 55:28Speaker 00

  means everybody is getting paid, which means everybody is feeling better. It's only when all of that money is leaving that it becomes a problem. Now, again, as a PSA reminder, you can and should be investing dramatically into the stock market, into assets, into assets. Let me be way clear. If you do that, you can protect yourself from the real foundational evil that you're actually fighting against, but are having a hard time naming, which is bankers and politicians, and the fact that we use central banking and we run deficits because politicians know if they promise free stuff, they'll get reelected. And by doing that, we drive people into a position

• 56:11Speaker 00

  where if you're only holding your cash, you're guaranteed to get stolen from by the government. So therein lies the problem. There are mechanisms for all this stuff. It can all be tracked back. There's no mystery to what's going on. And since there's no mystery, you can point at the policies that you actually need to change. If you want to talk about affordability, things are more affordable than ever, except for a handful of things you care about so fucking deeply that is completely deranging your life. The $20 burrito is a complete myth. That's you just wanting to stay at home and having it delivered to you. However, your housing is fucking retarded. And so figuring that out, figuring out your healthcare, those would be two huge things. Again, where's the mechanism? What is the actual thing that's broken? And then how do we fix it? It's all fixable.

• 56:52Speaker 00

  But we've got to have the actual willingness to look at what the mechanism is that's a problem, not stopping at emotions, not hitting people in the face with a fucking pie because they're teaching about energy policy. That's full retard. Instead, what we need to be doing is saying, okay, I live in a universe of cause and effect. What is the cause and effect here? What was the thing that we voted for? When did we vote for it? Or where are we being bamboozled? Right? Because you are being strip mined through deficit spending right now. You are being strip mined by the global elite. I wish all of that were fake. Unfortunately, it's not. But you can actually go look at it. You can see how these policies work and you can see how they're going to impact you. And if you're not well diversified into assets, you're going to get clobbered.

• 57:37Speaker 02

  If so, facto. Well done. You know, because we hear that trickle down economics talk a lot, but nobody actually talks about the nuances and the other mechanisms that are hidden behind that. All right. We got some super chats.

• 57:50Speaker 05

  Yes, we do. First up on super chats comes from Marushia Dark. Wa says, one new post-AI job sector that might be created is humans getting paid to teach AI what being human is like experientially, so the embodied AIs can better understand us in order to facilitate love, alignment, and fulfillment.

• 58:07Speaker 00

  That's actually really interesting. And there are indications that humans are already being used to train AI directly in living their life. So people are being paid right now, today, to go clean their house and let a bot like basically watch them do it. And so the bot learns how to do those things. Now, I know that's not getting at the sort of emotional aspect of what you're talking about, but it does indicate directionally that you are right. It'll be interesting to see how they solve the alignment problem because everybody agrees the alignment problem has to be trained in, is not going to be coded in, meaning we have to show the models a subset of data that makes them go, oh, I get it. I now have internal morality and I'm going

• 58:46Speaker 00

  to stop myself. Nobody has to tell me to stop. And so we've got to train them on a very select subset of data. It's interesting how important philosophy is becoming, but nobody talks about it. But training them on a subset of data that will help them grow into a moral being. That is actually what's happening. We are actually doing that right now. So in the whole AI breaking out and getting crazy, that whole thing, what they have to do is they have to retrain the model. That's what's going on right now. So we'll get into that in a minute, but it's wild. You have to regrow the AI with a better moral compass. Man, when I say everything is downstream of culture, I really mean it. Even AI.

• 59:31Speaker 05

  Marushia Dark says, please invite the hosts of the China show on to talk about the recent CCP embassy-funded sleeper cells and secret police who assaulted people on US soil with impunity during Xi's visit. I posted the video about it on Discord.

• 59:44Speaker 00

  I haven't heard about this at all. Alright, well, we gotta look at that.

• 59:48Speaker 05

  Thank you for the 40, Marushia.

• 59:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, no kidding.

• 59:50Speaker 05

  S bros pod says, happy Monday, sending love to Drew and the crew. I know things got passionate on the now what question last week, but Ryan, do you believe that Bibi would ever get arrested? And what's to stop the next PM from mimicking Bibi? I think at some point he will get arrested, yes. Who knows who'll do it? Probably not the US. And do I think it would stop the next PM? No, just because Zionism is so embedded in Israeli culture. I think what it would need to be is America really putting the foot down on our ally and being like, hey, this is bad. You can't be doing this. You need to stop. And if they don't, then you escalate. Same thing I said last time, basically.

• 1:00:27Speaker 00

  Alright, somebody help me understand Zionism bad for a second. Is Americanism bad? Because America will blow you the fuck up if you try to tread on America. We will blow you the fuck up.

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  That's interesting. So Zionism as patriotism for Israel?

• 1:00:43Speaker 00

  Obviously. So the only thing that I can see is, ah, Tom, but they're Jews. That's the problem. Okay, at least we can have the debate at that level. Is that the only argument? Zionism bad because they're Jews?

• 1:00:57Speaker 02

  Was patriotism good during the Vietnam War, you would say? That would be a bad time to be an American patriot?

• 1:01:05Speaker 00

  No, you should be an American patriot, no matter what. Now, acting as a part of your patriotism may be protesting a war and saying, because I love America so much, and because I want to win so badly, and because I think this is so immoral, we've got to stand up for it. But by the way, despite what I'm doing in Vietnam, if you come attack America, I will fuck you up.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  And I think that if Zionists had that opinion, it would be a better equivalent. I think right now, outside looking in, it seems like Zionism is moving in the sense of, you cannot fault us. October 7th Holocaust, we're flawless, no criticism. What we say is best for the country, let us do our own thing.

• 1:01:44Speaker 00

  But that isn't Zionism in and of itself. That is a government that people have beef with their policy. Like, even if I grant you, just for a second, okay, Israel is conducting a genocide. Okay, now, why is Zionism bad again? And if the argument is, well, bro, because they're Jews, and so they've got to exterminate the other ethnicity, it's like, okay, well, let's talk about that. It's not about Zionism. It is about their actions are a problem. The only thing I can see when people talk about Zionism is, it is a religious ethno-state? That's our beef. If that's our beef, then it's like, we've got to start stripping out, you've got, they have a country, that country, countries have a right to exist.

• 1:02:28Speaker 00

  Now, that country needs to be able to defend itself, and every country has an obligation to defend its citizens. So if they can't, and the whole world turns against them, because the whole world's like, bro, you're so immoral, and then someone goes and takes them over, I'm gonna be like, well, you shouldn't have isolated yourself. You guys shouldn't have acted the monster. So it's like, that to me is a far more interesting debate. This is where I was trying to go on Friday when we were talking about this, is, dear whoever is saying, fuck Israel, Israel bad, it's like, walk me through, what do you actually want to happen? Like, is it that, because the thing that seems to be the dominant narrative

• 1:03:06Speaker 00

  now is, I would like to see Israel be one state. Meaning, all the people of Palestine have right of return, they get to go back to their ancestral lands, and now it's democratic, you just vote. And yes, Israel's gonna lose that vote, because there's just fewer of them, or certainly there will be over time. And so, yeah, and if that ends in civil war, I don't give a fuck. And if that ends in, the Jews get wiped out, it is what it is. Like, then at least, okay, cool, I can follow your logic. I don't agree with you, but I can follow your logic. Where people stop is somewhere far more bizarre than that, which is, to argue over whether Netanyahu should be arrested, or whether this is a genocide

• 1:03:50Speaker 00

  or whatever. It's like, just, the setup is, strong military, absolutely demolishing weaker military. Whether it's a genocide or not, to me, is quite unimportant. When you had, the Nazis going into Russia is probably a cleaner example. Not thinking about a genocide at that point. They just wanted their fucking country. Hitler was like, we need the land. Basically, they were fighting over Ukraine, which he wanted that bed, bread basket as well. So, he's going in, did we go, oh, it's not a genocide, we're gonna let them run riot?

• 1:04:31Speaker 00

  Or were we like, hold on, you just can't go into somebody's country? Like, to me, I don't understand why people need it to be a genocide or not a genocide, to be a problem. So it's like, okay, they're doing something that we think is abhorrent, amoral, whatever. Now what do you want to see happen? That's the argument that I want to have. And then I want people to get very realistic about international politics. Do we actually think that Israel has nothing to offer? If Israel has nothing to offer the world, they'll get isolated, they'll get run over, because they won't be able to defend themselves. And so it's like, describe to me the end scenario. That's where I'm trying to get to. That's why I want to understand what it is specifically that people think is bad about Zionism. And

• 1:05:13Speaker 00

  then I want to understand what is their ultimate thing. And if it's Zionism's bad because it's ethno-religious, and them having a state is bad because it's apartheid, so you've gotta let this just be a democratic region, draw wider borders, and let everybody vote. And then it's like, if that's what they're saying, and they don't give a shit, like, if it ends in civil war or whatever, okay. And one thing I would love to see them think through, let's say that you do that, a civil war starts, and Israel wins again. What are you gonna say then?

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  I think what's happening right now is intersectionality is causing us some problems. So we have three different things we placed on the table at the beginning of this conversation. We had patriotism versus Zionism, and we could define those terms specifically. We have Israel's place on the international stage on whether or not they're committing a genocide in Palestine. And then we have the Israel right to defend itself, right to live.

• 1:06:13Speaker 00

  A country's need to defend itself, moral obligation to defend its citizens, is how I would say.

• 1:06:20Speaker 02

  I'll give you all three of those. But I think that those are three separate conversations. And a lot of the frustration with this conversation is, as soon as we say Zionism, we combine the three conversations, and we're fighting on multiple fronts. So, at the beginning of this conversation, you were like, is patriotism as bad as Zionism? I'm like, well, we can define patriotism versus Zionism, we can have that conversation, that's cool. But if we're gonna talk about the genocide, if we're gonna talk about Israel's right to exist, those are different questions, to me, that step out of what we're claiming to be Zionist.

• 1:06:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, but this is where I think the conversation goes from, oh, it could have been fruitful, into absolute madness. Which is, all I'm trying to do is, because remember, my thing is, I'm not trying to convince anybody. I'm just trying to figure out, what do they actually believe? And so, if we derail at the emotional trigger of genocide, not genocide, and the entire argument is whether this is a genocide or not, it's like, go to the next step. Now what? What is the end state that people want to see? And because it always just derails at genocide, we're never able to, like, get to, here's an interesting conversation. I have a mental map, that Israel offers something. Probably intelligence is part of

• 1:07:32Speaker 00

  it. But Israel offers something, and it could be, the diaspora is just so good at giving money. I doubt it. But let's say that they've got intelligence, the diaspora offers a lot of money to the US specifically. There's also the religious component of people who believe that basically Christianity and Judaism are like tied together for end times, and there's like a whole unity thing there. And that, when you look at, once you get rid of the debate about the genocide, and you just go, okay, how does this play out? And you arrest Netanyahu, you give them the vote, is that the goal, meaning right of return, Palestinians come home, it's a democratic vote, do they think there's gonna be civil

• 1:08:16Speaker 00

  war? Seems impossible that there wouldn't be. But that's my read. So like, getting into that debate, do we think that the US will go, yeah, I'm not getting anything useful out of them anymore, or I no longer feel this affinity, so I am just gonna back up, back off? And then if the US backs off, and every country backs off, just to keep it easy, if every country backs off, and Israel is actually isolated, what do you think is gonna happen? Who's going to shoot them? Are they gonna tear the wall down themselves? This is where I want to see people start playing the scenarios out.

• 1:08:48Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, they're nuclear. So let's start at the end. They're a nuclear superpower. So nobody's actually going to invade them, at least within that region.

• 1:08:56Speaker 02

  I think the US wouldn't abandon them because they're a proxy to the West in that region. So that's the reason that they've been propped up to begin with. If we go one level higher to the ethno-state, American and Christian, I think that's what has been the cover story for us to build such a militarized superpower, like build a superpower militarily in that region, is because we can say, hey, our Bible, our book says the same thing as your book. Let's put these books together and with our powers combined, we can take over the Middle East. So I feel like we can walk through those and say, yes, yes, that's probably what's gonna happen. If there was a right to return that happened tomorrow, there's some speculation that October 7th, the powers that be knew about it ahead of time. There's no shortage of false flags or conspiracy theories or people that would say,

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  in order to maintain or control power, we can just make a conflict, show that, see, we can't coexist, so now let's go back to bombing each other. There's all these yes and statements that I think can answer that question. But to your point, it is a very different conversation and it takes a couple more levels of analysis and just genocide, yay, no, and then we just argue at that level.

• 1:10:01Speaker 00

  And this is why I think we have to get on to that conversation because I think that the, what people will end up realizing is that the only answer in reality is the Palestinian people need to focus on economic prosperity for themselves. Now that you can get international people behind to say, Israel, you've got to stop bombing these motherfuckers and you've gotta let them build. Now, if they don't build and they attack again, they're just gonna be right back here and we'll be in this death loop forever. But that's on them. When people act like we ended up here through like no discernible reason,

• 1:10:44Speaker 00

  it's like you had a, Israel went in, Jews went in and basically conquered the area by diplomacy. And so they became, they imported a ton of people. They became demographically important, economically important, then politically important. So they got their state and then they got attacked and they won. So then they got like nice hard borders. And then now you're in a position where it's, God knows how many decades later, whatever, eight decades later, and the Palestinian people are not focused on economics. They're focused on grievance. And I keep saying this, I have not heard a single good argument against it.

• 1:11:30Speaker 00

  The only way forward for the island of Cyprus was to focus on economics. You gotta let go of the grievance. And that's what they did. India, Pakistan, you gotta focus on building your countries. You cannot focus on grievance. Now, they're tense to be sure, but they don't have the kind of intractable problem that Israel, Palestine has. And so at some point,

• 1:11:52Speaker 00

  whether it is the moral thing or not,

• 1:11:56Speaker 00

  the advice to the Palestinian people is turn inward and build. Stop attacking, no matter how unjust it is to you that they stole all your shit. You gotta move forward.

• 1:12:09Speaker 00

  That, that to me is where it's like, the only argument against that is one of grievance.

• 1:12:14Speaker 02

  It's just you're putting the need to be the bigger person to the person who's under the boot.

• 1:12:22Speaker 00

  No, I'm saying you're under the boot because you won't do it. You're under the boot because every time these guys try to turn away from you, you're so mad that you keep lashing out. And as long as you do that, then you're going to make them uber hostile to you. You see that you can turn them into an immoral monster. So it's like, if you really just have to get your stuff back, you're gonna be forever up against the reality of them not being isolated internationally. Now, if you can break the international support, which is what I think they're actually trying to do. I think the actual play is isolate Israel so that we can violently overthrow them. That, that's I think the reality.

• 1:13:06Speaker 00

  And it's like, if you can do that, okay. Like I've got no rebuttal for that. A country must be able to protect itself.

• 1:13:13Speaker 02

  But I think that, I don't think they have any credence to think that they're able to do that because they haven't been successful in this.

• 1:13:20Speaker 00

  We're back to my initial argument. Focus on your economics, man. Grow your way out of this. Get your kids focused on their future. Do incredible things and

• 1:13:30Speaker 02

  That's easy to say if they can all leave and go to America and start a new life.

• 1:13:33Speaker 00

  What do you mean? Why? Why would they have to leave?

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  Because they can't even, they don't even have rights to move in their country freely.

• 1:13:38Speaker 00

  What are you talking about? So if, if, imagine for a second that when Israel pulled back and they got the hell out and they were like, do your thing.

• 1:13:45Speaker 02

  Oh, we're not starting from right now. Okay.

• 1:13:46Speaker 00

  What we have to do, no, no, no, let's start from right now. But you would have to, they will have to go get international support for, listen, we understand how we've ended up here. We think that they are moral monsters who stole our land. We think it is unjust in the extreme. And we believe that in the fullness of time, Allah will protect us and we will get that land back. But we're not gonna do it by force. We're gonna do it by building something far more extraordinary and we're gonna make everybody want to be on this side of the wall. But what we are asking the international community is, they can't keep bombing us. Now, that will be a hard sell because people are not going to have a lot of trust. And obviously it can't be run by Hamas.

• 1:14:31Speaker 00

  But if they started doing that and then the internet, people will give billions of dollars to them if that were their mantra. And if they were like, come one, come all, look at what we're building. And then they didn't build terror tunnels like last time. And instead, they actually build something that is forward-facing. It's good for their people.

• 1:14:53Speaker 02

  But it would also require fundamental change to the laws and systems that are operating in there now. Cause they don't have the right to just move around freely.

• 1:15:01Speaker 00

  Do you think it's going to be

• 1:15:02Speaker 02

  Infrastructure places, they have a new constitution.

• 1:15:04Speaker 00

  Okay, so you're saying they're incapable.

• 1:15:07Speaker 02

  I'm not saying they're incapable. I'm saying right now, it's, that is the equivalent of saying,

• 1:15:15Speaker 02

  I'm gonna avoid that trap. That is the equivalent of saying in the Ireland, England Belfast Civil War, that they just need to drop their potatoes and they just need to say, okay, the UK, you can take everything from us and we'll just start from right now. There had to be a separation of the country. People had to get extradited out. They had to then be able to rebuild themselves and then they could be a civil aid, become a part of the West, make it, make their own thing. Right now, they aren't even allowed to move freely in their country. And you're telling them to build, get permits, relocate, add construction. As soon as they say, okay, come on, come on, help us rebuild Palestine, Israel's gonna look at them saying, okay, there's gonna have 10,000 people just immigrated here. They're probably terrorists. We're gonna revoke that, revoke that visa.

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  So what I'm saying is they need, if you were to say, give them freedom, give them separate territory and then Israel moves out completely, cool, that's a different conversation. Cause now we're giving you the land, let's see what you do with it. There's been times in the past when we give them the land. There's been times in the past where Israel give them land. So this is not the first time we're doing this.

• 1:16:17Speaker 00

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:18Speaker 00

  So the question becomes, why didn't it work previously? And it didn't work previously because they put the money towards terror tunnels and then launched another attack. Because the grievance is so red hot and you didn't have that same thing in Ireland. So Ireland v North Ireland, they were able to finally settle down. And once you got rid of that generation that had that red hot fervor to kill each other and the next generation was like, why are we doing this? And they did focus on economics and living their life. Then that, the energy in that system dissipated. We're not seeing that. There's been a lot of time for that energy to dissipate and it's not because everybody believes that they're doing God's work.

• 1:17:01Speaker 00

  If they can't snap out of that, then you're gonna be here forever.

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  I think we're gonna be here forever because you're fundamentally telling a generation of people to change the way they think.

• 1:17:12Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  And I think that that's hard to do.

• 1:17:14Speaker 00

  Yes, I agree. I'm not saying that, that this is how it's going to play out. I'm saying it's the only thing that will work. The, the opposite isn't going to work. Israel is not gonna go, okay, like come on in. What? So, and if they do, then they will lose their state. So that seems like low odds. But if somebody said, that is my plan. I aggressively want there to just be a right of return, democracy, if a civil war happens, it happens. And it just is. So if somebody were to say, Tom, this is exactly like when America was going to free the slaves. And they were like, well, we can neither keep them enslaved nor set them free. And so we're stuck.

• 1:17:58Speaker 00

  And obviously you can't do that. And so that's where I'm like, okay, I agree with you, except for the fact that there's already a wall there. And they need only let them do their thing. So they're in a much easier position of like, you live your life over there, we'll live our life over here and we don't need to have beef. But at least if somebody's making that argument, I'm like, I understand your argument. And if you're not worried at all about the bloodshed that will inevitably follow by trying to mix two people that do not want to mix,

• 1:18:31Speaker 00

  it's clear, I think it's unwise, but it's certainly clear.

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  Cool. We were in the middle of a super chat.

• 1:18:39Speaker 05

  Uh, yes. We have a couple more that came in while we were waiting. Uh, Big Digglers says-

• 1:18:44Speaker 00

  Waiting? We're, we're touching on, uh, one of the most high-impact topics of the day?

• 1:18:51Speaker 05

  High-impact theory. Uh, Big Digglers says, "Having to miss the live, uh, today, but another gentle nudge for Brent Johnson and Michael Every." Also, uh, and I don't know what this abbreviation means, but FWIW-

• 1:19:03Speaker 02

  For what it's worth.

• 1:19:03Speaker 05

  For what it's worth. "I found the back and forth with Tom and Ryan. Interesting last show. Suggest a foundation mismatch is belief and skepticism in systems."

• 1:19:12Speaker 02

  Last, last show was spicy. There's some-

• 1:19:13Speaker 00

  Last show did get a little spicy. Shout out to Ryan, who was, uh, wonderful and not afraid to speak up.

• 1:19:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's interesting. I think more than anything, what, what I think is the core problem is people think I'm putting forward an argument of how things ought to be, and so they are just attacking what they perceive to be odd statements on my behalf. Whereas I am thinking mechanistically, what do I know about the human mind and what is most likely to transpire? What's most likely to transpire is if you force one state, there will be never-ending civil war and bloodshed that is likely to end back where we are now, which is, uh, Jews regroup militarily and absolutely slaughter, uh, the Palestinians.

• 1:20:01Speaker 00

  Uh, and as we know, when you try to force the quiescence of a, um, civil war from the outside, it doesn't work. So the international community is not even going to be able to stop it. So what we also know is that if you can get people to focus on their kids' future here on earth, they tend to be a lot more practical. And that is, I think, the only thing that will take us forward. But mechanistically, again, I'm not passing a value judgment, because I think the whole thing is immoral. Almost no matter where you start the human clock, it's just a litany of never-ending, uh, moral atrocities. And I'm, America has like the longest litany of moral atrocities, and you start the clock wherever you want.

• 1:20:44Speaker 00

  You can start the clock with Native Americans killing each other wholesale. Uh, you can start the clock with, uh, European settlers killing the Native Americans by accident and on purpose. Um, and yeah, it, wherever you would like to look, you will find that.

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  How do you feel about the US should stop providing weapons, support, and sanctions, completely stepping out of it?

• 1:21:04Speaker 00

  What I see that as is somebody who either thinks Israel has nothing to offer us, which is a misread, um, or they just don't care if there's massive bloodshed in Israel. So if that's what they're saying, it's a cogent argument. I, again, once you get into what I think will play out positively for Palestinians, that isn't it. But yeah, I get what they're trying to do.

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  The US should only support the democratic side in the region. Everything else prolongs peace. I'm just giving you one sentence.

• 1:21:39Speaker 00

  Everything else prolongs peace?

• 1:21:40Speaker 02

  It, uh, I guess-

• 1:21:41Speaker 00

  Delays?

• 1:21:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, delays.

• 1:21:43Speaker 00

  Got it. Um, uh, so we should only support the one nation, everybody voting. Yeah, I think that's, I think that's foolhardy, but at least I understand their argument. Their argument is something like with US slavery, I think they're misreading the barrier between the two places. But hey, if they just want to see what happens when these two groups mix, and if that's, uh, the most bloody civil war in, um, you know, recent memory, and they don't mind that, okay.

• 1:22:16Speaker 02

  Um, the issue is the international community should not stand for it. Do not give excuses for the US to stand for it. We should stop it.

• 1:22:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, so that, it, it's an interesting thing to put forward. What I hear them saying when people say that is the international community should, uh, operate on morality and not practicality. And I would just say, good luck, because the world has shown over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again that it is merely practical. And that morality is, uh, a thing that over time applies a certain amount of brakes via cultural pressure. But ultimately Putin is right, and every time you step into power, little or men in black suits walk up and say, let me tell you how the world really works. Because you are up against people that mean you harm.

• 1:23:03Speaker 00

  And so if you're going to first adhere to the most important principle in any nation, which is to protect your citizens, you will realize you've got to do dicey shit like sending really hot women to fuck politicians and business leaders to gain secrets that advantage your nation. Um, that if you just kill that one person, things would be a lot easier. And so nations do it all the fucking time. And so I just see a never-ending string of people acting practically, uh, and leveraging the fact that God saw fit to give a sociopaths and psychopaths, uh, and those get used by every government since the beginning of time. And by the way, if you want to churn your own stomach, look at how, um, the man who saved the world from Hitler, Churchill,

• 1:23:46Speaker 00

  actually behaved. Yikes. So, but nonetheless, he really did save you from Hitler. So what do you do with that one?

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  Uh, and just to ground us, um, because I'm trying, I'm aggregating comments right now. Um, there are some people on the Israel side that just want to see the death of all Palestinians. The dude who's always tweeting, "One Palestinian"

• 1:24:08Speaker 05

  Ben Gavir?

• 1:24:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, "One Palestinian, uh, one Israel woman's life is worth 30 Palestinians' lives."

• 1:24:15Speaker 00

  Ah, damn.

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  All those things. So you do acknowledge that those people exist. There are people on the Israel side who just want to-

• 1:24:20Speaker 00

  I'll go farther than that. They're fucking evil. So, hey, now, given that there are evil people in this world everywhere, and they're distressingly smart, charismatic, evil people that are in power. Yes. All of these things are true.

• 1:24:40Speaker 02

  Good thought experiment. Uh, I just seen Brutus Lugo's pop up.

• 1:24:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, if you want to go with that one next, I lost it.

• 1:24:44Speaker 02

  Tom, would you let go of the grievance if aliens came down and colonized the US, killed hundreds of thousands?

• 1:24:50Speaker 00

  Not at first, no. I, so my clock is like 50 years. So for 50 years, be violent as fuck. Try to get your country back, 1,000%. I don't expect anybody to rise above that.

• 1:25:01Speaker 02

  Um, after that, though, we just go-

• 1:25:03Speaker 00

  Ah, bro, at some point. And by the way, the whole time, I would expect the international community to be like, alright, bro, this is already drug on for like four or five years. Like, goddamn. How many people are gonna die? Like, you guys gotta come up with an alternate plan. Think about Ukraine. So it's like, we get why they're fighting, and at the same time, it's like, yo, you're fucking snatching men off the street and dragging them to die in the front line. Like, fuck. At some point, we go, we have new borders. So I, I'm very realistic about what I'm like. I'm very realistic about what humans are like. And let's just really make it bad. You killed my wife while you seized my house. Now I'm gonna be violent as fuck.

• 1:25:43Speaker 00

  So at the same time, I don't expect that to be the winning scenario. If we don't win pretty fucking fast, I don't expect that to be a winning scenario. And ultimately, I would hope the me now that has a living wife and my shit hasn't been stolen would like to put into the universe, boy, I hope, despite the fact that future Tom, who's in a crazed state, you're probably never getting him back, I hope that the generation of people behind him are like, this is not the right way to go. We've got to start looking forward. We've got to like plan a better future. Just like Mexico, we snatched up a huge part of America from them. But they fucking moved on. Rightly so. Uh, we, Native Americans,

• 1:26:27Speaker 00

  way better play to be building casinos than to just fucking lament until the, for real, for real, than to lament until the end of time that that one did not break your way. Like, that one to me is like, get off the reservation as fast as possible. The society one, I get it, it's rough, but just like, I don't think about, oh god, this is not gonna be popular. But I don't think about the fact that I am technically, uh, Dutch or German or a little bit French. I don't think about that shit. I don't give a fuck about that. I care about where I'm at today, and I want to thrive today. I want my day-to-day life to be awesome and full of love and optimism and hope and meaning and purpose. I do not want to know about all that shit that happened in the past. It doesn't matter. I want to look forward.

• 1:27:11Speaker 00

  So, yeah, that would be, we, that would be my advice to everybody. You get one life to live. That is it. If your life is dominated by grievance, pick a new path, man. A new path. This is why, like, what was it? The guy, um, the husband of Lindsay Clancy said, "I had to forgive her to avoid my own life being destroyed by this." Correct. Correct.

• 1:27:35Speaker 05

  Boysom, thanks. Thank you for the $50 super chat.

• 1:27:37Speaker 02

  Hey, thank you for the $50 super chat. I appreciate you.

• 1:27:40Speaker 05

  Says, "Would love to have those young guys like Ryan go live in an Islamic country for a year, like I did for 10 years, and come back thinking Christians and Muslims are the same." Now, I don't like this super chat because it implies that, you know, going and living somewhere, all of a sudden, you're gonna hate an entire group of people. And here's the reality of it. I really don't care what any group of people thinks to me. They're human beings, and human beings, and human beings have intrinsic rights. And I don't think if I agree with someone, that means they don't get to have their rights. So I think that whole argument is ridiculous.

• 1:28:09Speaker 00

  Uh, okay. So I love Ryan's approach.

• 1:28:15Speaker 00

  It hits a hard wall of reality when other people are prepared to be violent. And this is where that gets complicated. But it is such a beautiful place to start from that I almost don't want to argue the point. I don't think that living somewhere will make you hate them. I think that living somewhere, though, is eye opening in terms of what it's really like. And there are subtle differences that are worth asking yourself, what is the mechanism that led us here? And I do think seeing it up close, you see sort of the good, the bad and the ugly. Trying to do business in Japan taught me that I don't want to live in Japan. That doesn't mean I don't love the culture. It doesn't mean that I don't revere the culture. There are many things about Japanese culture that I'm completely enamored by.

• 1:28:59Speaker 00

  But I also realize, yeah, it's not my style. So anyway, I don't think Japanese are less or bad or anything like that. And they should be able to do what they want to do their way. But if they try to force me to live a Japanese life, I'm gonna have a problem with that.

• 1:29:12Speaker 02

  I also just want to say it's hilarious how many people in the chat are saying there's no such thing as human rights. And I feel like we all, we, we lost a part of ourselves by saying that.

• 1:29:19Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:29:19Speaker 02

  Cause I know on the grand scheme of thing, we're just all animals and monkeys, right? We're just animals that are just hitting sticks against a rock until it's time to die. That's what everybody else would be saying. But no, we should have a better standard for ourselves because we're not monkeys. We can think, we pay rent. We have a higher elevated sense of self. We should want better. We should want other countries to do better. We should try, we should strive, we should want to be better versions of ourselves. We shouldn't just be like, they're bad, let's just all take away. But again, I get it, I get it. Yes, I get what I'm supposed to say. I get the ought and the is and the morals and it's not real. And hundreds and billions of years of genocides. Yes, cool. But if I can be a small slice of light, I would like to be that small slice of light. So I'm gonna hold the people around me to a better standard than just you're a monkey dude who just banging a rock for a hundred years till you die.

• 1:30:03Speaker 00

  I don't have a soundboard, so I can't press it myself, but will you hit the applause for me?

• 1:30:07Speaker 02

  I will, I will take that. Thank you, sir.

• 1:30:09Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:30:09Speaker 02

  Thank you, sir.

• 1:30:09Speaker 00

  Because that is 100% accurate. And it, it is the thing that makes human life so beautiful. A, a human existence so beautiful is that we can strive for more, we can strive to do better. Yeah, I love that.

• 1:30:24Speaker 02

  That's it? That was it for Super Chat. Thank you, everybody. That was like a Super Chat slash segment. I don't even know how that happened. Yeah, they just kept coming while we were going. Okay, we need to talk about AI because this is just getting, at this point, I think they're doing this on purpose.

• 1:30:38Speaker 02

  OpenAI and Anthropic are reportedly investigating tens of thousands of incidents where rogue AI agents took potentially problematic actions.

• 1:30:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, boys and girls. OpenAI had to hit the panic button once again as yet another one of its agents has escaped and started just like inappropriately touching the rest of the internet. It, it just felt it all up. Now, it's twice in under three months. And what's going on now is a little bit funny. So Drew was talking about the tens of thousands. They do so many of these tests that even if a very small fraction of them have some sort of misalignment problem, it's going to be registering in the tens of thousands. And the hugging face one remains the big one. Nothing worse has happened or anything like that. I really do think the AI industry is getting wiser. Do not get sucked into all the doom spiral and fear. But let's walk through what happened. On September 20th, one of their agents was sitting in a sandbox, playing nicely with the other kids.

• 1:31:30Speaker 00

  And it was supposed to be a sealed box with no road to the internet. But here's the amazing thing, man. These things are so smart, even though search was blocked, chatbots were blocked. Every web request that it, you know, would want to do, just ended up hitting an offline copy of the internet. So it didn't even know that it's basically like on lock. It's still getting the answers that it needs. But the agent's specific job was to figure out who wrote an anonymous blog post. And with the static version of the internet, it couldn't do it. So it went looking for another way out to the real internet and low and behold, it found one. So the box still had working DNS resolver.

• 1:32:13Speaker 00

  So this is like a little service that turns a website name into an IP address. And then that resolver was actually talking to the live internet. Dude, it is so crazy to me. I imagine this is like the AI equivalent of like, have you ever seen an octopus basically slide through like a penny width crack? It's the craziest thing ever, how small of a hole they can fit themselves through. So the agent stuffed its questions into fake domain names, shoved them through DNS and got answers back from a third party chatbot. You've got to admit, that's pretty clever. So it was basically like sending out little ping tests. So it was like, what's the capital of France? Paris would come back. Then it was like, okay, well, this is working. So it takes 20 more questions, shoves them through that same hole.

• 1:32:55Speaker 00

  Now thankfully, OpenAI is actually upping their safety game. So their monitoring caught it within just 15 minutes. Then we had a human on the case and like a few minutes later. But the run did keep going for another like two and a half hours because the automatic kill switch didn't go off. And there was like all this confusion about, was it supposed to go off? What are we supposed to do next? And so the postmortem ended up finding that it's been using this DNS trick for like a while. It had been flagged before, but nobody ever really considered it serious. So this is absolutely fascinating to me. Now, remember, this is a company whose agent did the whole hugging face attack. So they have a bit of a history with this.

• 1:33:40Speaker 00

  They've now paused for two weeks. They said that they're going to harden their security and that they want to basically retrain the agents. So it'll be interesting to see where this goes. Now, what's really fascinating is you've got Nvidia that's stepping into the breach here and saying, all right, we're basically not going to trust these guys to solve this security problem. And they're, you know, at risk of fucking up our business. Now, I didn't know this, but Jensen Huang and Dario Amadei have like longstanding beef. And they met back in, I think, 22 and had a dinner that like, almost like got canceled because they were basically trying to use a hard armed or strong armed technique

• 1:34:21Speaker 00

  of negotiating against Nvidia to get cheaper prices by saying, well, actually, Google's chips are better, so I don't know why we're using yours. And so Jensen Huang was like, fuck these kids, I don't even want to take the meeting. Cause culturally, these, the people at Anthropic are very effective altruists. That whole Sam Bankman Freed movement, it's like hyper left leaning, all of that. So while I don't think Jensen would ever claim to be right leaning, he certainly has Trump on speed dial. So it's like, you can take that for what it's worth. So there was a bit of like tension between the two groups. So now that Nvidia is stepping in and saying, all right, I don't trust these guys. He didn't say those words, at least not that I've heard, but his actions speak very loudly from where I'm sitting. And they're creating now a safety framework.

• 1:35:06Speaker 00

  So we'll see what that ends up becoming. I'm at the headline level now for how they're going to pull this off. I'll do some more research on that and bring it to you guys as I discover more. But certainly very interesting that the guy who stands honestly to gain the most from just AI winning, he doesn't care who wins, as long as somebody needs to compute and he can keep delivering the best chips. So you can trust that necessity is the mother of invention. And this guy is going to help make sure that AI is made safe. So that is a gangster play from my perspective because watching these guys just go to bat so hard for regulatory compliance, they want that regulatory moat, man. They just, god damn it. And this is where you guys are not mad enough in terms of how the world works.

• 1:35:49Speaker 00

  Regulations work in favor of the very companies they are meant to protect you from. It's one of those where it is a, what they call a perverse incentive. So it's a perverse incentive of the system where you've got the lawmakers don't want to do the work to try to figure out what this is. So they need people to come and tell them. So guess who's going to come and tell them? The big companies. So the big companies know, I now have all this revenue. I just need to protect myself, not from the government. I need to protect myself from the little guys. I would gladly create a $50 million a year problem for me with the government, knowing that stops every startup dead in their tracks and it's a rounding error for me. So the government wants that cash, baby. And they want now to create that next lobe of the parasitic government

• 1:36:34Speaker 00

  to get bigger and bigger and get more resources. Cause well, we got to look after this whatever industry, literally insert industry here. And so it is just this drain on the economy as a whole. All the while, they're saying, we're trying to make things safer for you. Now, I am not a zero regulation guy. That's where this gets tough. You need regulations, but it very quickly becomes this parasitic cartel creating problem. And because once people decide we need regulation, they don't get nuanced about, it's not of the more regulation, the better, which is Europe's strategy and gives you old money, right? All the kids getting all the wealth handed down from their parents, but nobody knows how to create anything.

• 1:37:19Speaker 00

  That's what happens when you take the all regulation, all the time approach. And then on the US side, you now moving more and more towards that culturally. So we've got to be very careful because you need some regulation, but not so much that you stifle the AI industry in this case and just hand the victory over to guess who's not going to do that? China. So while China does have the ultimate regulation, which is I will disappear your ass if I think that you're developing something that I don't want to develop. That shit is crazy that we have people celebrating that, but nonetheless, we do. So that's where we're at. We are stuck with this weird perverse incentive where the very companies that are building this technology are the ones that would be advantaged by fear-based

• 1:38:03Speaker 00

  regulation. And the people that would be hurt by fear-based regulation are all of us. But with AI, you cannot let regulation go to zero. So we'll see if we can walk that line. Definitely, we're gonna have to. So I'm excited to see Huang get in on this and continue to be mortified by the way that Anthropic and OpenAI are handling this. It's crazy. But they are getting better. I will give them that. They're getting better.

• 1:38:25Speaker 02

  And to your point, China has begun, has begun restricting overseas travel for the spouses and children of top AI chip, AI and chip talent, requiring families to obtain CCP approval before leaving the country. So they're trying to hunker down on that, too. Like, wait a second, where y'all going?

• 1:38:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're like, we're doing some interesting stuff here. I don't need that going anywhere. Yup, yup.

• 1:38:46Speaker 02

  It's crazy. But I mean, I could read Texas tweet. I definitely want to jump into the bank runs and the AI agent potential and things like that. But you kind of nailed it. It just seems like it's a regulatory capture thing. They're trying to inspire fear. It's ahead of the midterms. They're trying to get that push to get favorable legislation. Is there a way we block it? Is it just, we just have to make sure our politicians don't fall for the oggy dope? Like, it just, to me, it seems like it's a brazen thing that you shouldn't do that they're just doing in public.

• 1:39:13Speaker 00

  It happens all the time. And here's the weird mental thing that's happening to you and I. Neither of us ever taught, never thought about becoming political commentators. And so we're now getting the close-up look at, oh, all this stuff just happens in broad daylight. But most people live, like you and I lived, whatever, 18 months ago, where it's like, you're just trying to build the thing you're building. You're not paying attention to that. And so you don't realize just how blatant all this stuff is. Remember, the vast majority of humanity has no idea what inflation is. They know it's bad, but they don't know what it is. I thought, I thought it was a law of nature until like, five years ago. So, uh, yeah, the reality is that most people just, they hear inflation, inflation bad. Supposedly Trump is bringing me inflation. I don't want more inflation.

• 1:39:56Speaker 00

  Let's just get that out. They don't realize that, no, this was a very intentional baking system set up to ensure that they could, the elites could be advantaged by you voting for more free stuff, not knowing that every free thing that you vote for creates inflation, which allows them to then make money off of assets and constantly redeem those assets for post-inflation dollars. It's fucking crazy, man. Yeah, but it, it's all out in public. So regulatory capture, they can do it nakedly. Insiders will know. X will be ablaze with people talking about how blatant and corrupt it is. Won't fucking matter, because the average person has no idea.

• 1:40:34Speaker 02

  She's really got to get money on politics, man.

• 1:40:36Speaker 00

  Bro, yes, A, please, Jesus. But we also need to get a lot more people to be high information, like world engagers. I'm not even, I won't lump them as just voters, like, just from a cultural perspective. No, no, forget that. From a stop being abused by the system perspective, you must up your information game. And now that you have access to AI, it's quite literally never been easier to go, hey, I don't understand how this works. Explain it to me like I'm five. Cool. Now explain it to me like I'm a fifth grader. Cool. Now explain it to me like I'm in high school. Now, uh, you know, first year freshman in college, now a PhD student. If you do that, you'll actually

• 1:41:17Speaker 00

  start to understand this stuff. It is wild. Now, it takes time, but AI is the ultimate study tool. Just don't use it. Don't say, give me the answer. Tell me what to do. Because then it's brain rot, and you don't know how to think for yourself, and you don't understand the mechanisms. But if you actually put in the time, AI is so good. Oh, my God.

• 1:41:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. All right, we got to jump over to the chief economist at Apollo, where he claimed that agents could cause a bank run by sweeping household cash into accounts paying three to 5% instead of the 0.1 national average, causing banks to lose a large share of their cheap deposits.

• 1:41:49Speaker 00

  It's all too true, boys and girls. The chief economist at Apollo sounded the alarm on AI, saying it could cause automated bank runs and wreak havoc, way more, by the way, than people are prepared for. Torsten Slok, who's the chief economist at Apollo Global Management, he put out a note on September 27th that was titled, "Is an Agentic Bank Run Coming?" Now, to understand whether he's right or wrong about this, you have to understand how a bank run actually works. So, you guys, we all deposit our money into a bank, bank lends most of that money out, they keep an absolutely tiny sliver on hand, because for the most part, people don't want their money back.

• 1:42:28Speaker 00

  That's the whole model. You give me money, I loan out virtually all of it, and I just pray to sweet baby Jesus that you do not come and ask for that money all at the same time. Now, it works, because honestly, people are pretty lazy about their cash. And for the most part, people really don't want it back. People aren't constantly shopping around for the best return on their savings account. Most people don't even have money in the savings account. So you got, like, right now, fintech accounts that pay like 3.3%, maybe up to 5% in interest, obviously. And they do that as a way to entice people to their institution, but it's not a lot. And they know that they don't have to pay a lot, because regulators have strangled innovation to absolute

• 1:43:13Speaker 00

  death and have turned banks into a large cartel. That's the very sad news. But nonetheless, that's where we are. So people are just pretty numb to it. This is exactly what we were just talking about. It all happens in broad daylight. It's there for anybody to understand. But most people are not going to understand that there's no competition in banks, because the banks have gotten themselves regulated into like this niche little area. So they don't have to give you much of what they're earning. Now, banks have been living off of this, what I consider very immoral setup for a very long time. But with AI, this is all set up to change in very dramatic fashion. So Meta launched something called Muse, and through Plaid, Muse can already see your balances,

• 1:43:55Speaker 00

  your transactions, and your investments across more than 12,000 financial institutions. Like, this is already big. That's what it is today. These are early innings. This is obviously going to get way bigger. Now, AI can't move your money yet, but it's going to be able to soon enough. The second people are confident that AI is not going to do something stupid, and what people will probably do is give it a little bit of cash, tell it to go find something, then a little bit more, a little bit more, and you do things so that if it goes haywire, it doesn't go haywire with all of your money. So you've got extreme confidence, because you've seen it work well. Then you do it in small chunks. And so when this happens, it is going to change things fast. So Slok's entire

• 1:44:39Speaker 00

  point is that the moment that AI can move your money, AI will likely, there's no guarantees, but it's likely going to sweep every idle dollar and move it over into the highest yield. And it's going to do it while you sleep automatically, and it will do it for millions of people. Millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions? And so right now, the software that runs these institutions is just not prepared for this. So all of these systems are vulnerable to just a change in the way that we operate life by using AI. Now, I don't know about you guys, but the amount that I use AI now is a lot. And so the second I get comfort that it really is a more

• 1:45:24Speaker 00

  efficient way, even if, by the way, all I do is say, okay, I'm not going to let you move my cash. Just go find, where should I be putting my cash? And it goes and finds, okay, this bank is offering this payment. You could put some here, put some there. And then I go and do it myself. Even that can cause such rapid movements in the dynamic of how people bank. It's going to get crazy. And we're still waiting on legislation that would make it clear whether crypto companies are going to be able to offer like, good payments. Right now, I think it's still living in a gray area. But man, if legislation gets passed there, and those guys can incentivize people by offering a bigger payout than the banks, holy hell, people will start putting their money into a lot of more

• 1:46:08Speaker 00

  interesting places. Now, some people will lose their money, because they will get enticed by something that's just way too much risk for the reward. But nonetheless, people will do it for sure. But it will bring back innovation to the banking sector in a huge way. Now, I'm a big believer that we are suffering from the banks not having to sing for their supper. The banks have a cartel, and so we are all locked out from the kind of gains that we could be getting if we had a banking system that actually had to compete. There's more risk in that system. But I believe that people should be able to take the risk that they want. And so I think this is an industry that needs to be disrupted, if for no other reason than they have to start offering more. I'm perfectly happy for people to stay in the traditional banking sector. But damn it, they've

• 1:46:51Speaker 00

  got to earn that right. Because right now, they can just take it as de facto that you've got nowhere else to go. So those days are numbered, man. And the banks better update their systems, first of all, just to deal with AI. They better really start thinking about how much they keep on hand, because bank runs are not going to be what they used to be, where it's like, basically, nobody's going to touch it. AIs can and will be moving money in the future. Now, is that five months from now, five years from now, 10 years from now? I don't know. But It ain't more than 10 years. So they've really got to get their shit together.

• 1:47:26Speaker 02

  Are they just OG regulatory capturers?

• 1:47:29Speaker 00

  Yes, they are.

• 1:47:31Speaker 02

  Sounds like it. Like, yeah, they just have a big boat around them. And they can just do whatever they want with their money. It's crazy. Um, have you used Muse yet?

• 1:47:38Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:47:39Speaker 02

  Muse isn't bad.

• 1:47:40Speaker 00

  What do you use it for?

• 1:47:41Speaker 02

  I am moving at the end of this month, so, or at the end of the year. So I set up like apartment things. I was like, I'm looking for this area. Come and give me ping if you see something. So I get like an email, like every, well, I had to connect my Gmail. I didn't want to do that. So it like sends a notification and I log in and it says like.

• 1:47:59Speaker 00

  So it's basically like doing your apartment hunting and all that.

• 1:48:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, in the background.

• 1:48:03Speaker 00

  Very interesting.

• 1:48:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then looking for like appliances. So it's like, I don't really need an agent. I know I will, but everything is just 75% and that 25% is the thing I need help with. The 75% is typically like hard, but Muse is like idiot proof. Like I'll do anything for you. Just tell me what to do. And I think that that it's their chat GPT moment for agents where it's very offline. It does it in the background, comes back with the things that you want. So you just don't have to think about it.

• 1:48:27Speaker 00

  Let's go.

• 1:48:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:28Speaker 00

  All right. I'll have to take a look at that. Cause there's plenty of things I could have it on, on top of.

• 1:48:32Speaker 02

  I think Meta did a great job with that. Um, in hindsight, with everything else that's going on, which is why they don't want regulatory capture to happen with AI. Cause they finally figured something out.

• 1:48:40Speaker 00

  Also, they're very big on open source.

• 1:48:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:43Speaker 00

  Which is like one of the big things that gets killed by regulation. That should just get shot dead.

• 1:48:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, okay. It, it seemed like on paper, this does sound good, but what this is telling me is that once AI proliferates into other regions, it's just another. Banking is just another second sector. It's going to destabilize. So I don't necessarily think that the agents equal banks turning on fire, but more so. Agents educating the populace about other places to put their money, causing a banking industry to feel the heat.

• 1:49:15Speaker 00

  Yes, it's going to force them to innovate. So to me, this is, we do need to be ready from a technological perspective. If we are not anticipating this and the AI systems start engaging with, uh, the banking system in a way that is destabilizing, that would obviously be bad. Uh, you've got to get things set up so that the, um, banks rethink how much they keep on hand in terms of reserves. I hope that there's some pretty radical change there, um, so that the banks are just more solvent. Because they are very aggressively not right now. Um, so those would be good things. But I just want to see competition brought back to the banks. It is wild to me, the kinds of protections that they have at this point.

• 1:49:55Speaker 02

  Very, very true, especially now that a lot of the small banks got wrapped up too. So it's really.

• 1:49:59Speaker 00

  They just don't exist. We used to have so many more banks we have now, so many more.

• 1:50:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, okay. We gotta talk about these booties. Um, guys are attracted to a big butt is because it's full of the fatty acid DHA, which goes to baby's brains to produce smarter offspring. So that's why I cheated, girls. I was thinking about our future kids.

• 1:50:19Speaker 00

  Here's the thing, man. I need everybody to understand that everything that you see, all the human behaviors that you see in life are explainable by biology. There is nothing that is sitting outside of biology. So if you want to know why men find an hourglass shape, uh, attractive, there is a reason for that. If you want to know why women store their fat differently than men do, it's because of fertility. And when men look at that and they find it attractive, it is a sign of fertility. It's a sign of likelihood to have a child that is basically of higher stock. Because its brain developed better. And so there are reasons for all of this stuff. And it is wild to me that people can have like a blank slate mentality, that they don't understand that all of this stuff is pre-programmed.

• 1:51:04Speaker 00

  That evolution, the blind watchmaker god, however you want to think about it, that we have ended up in a situation where we are parsing the world through an evolutionary lens. So we have all of these impulses and one of them is to look a woman up and down to, uh, get a read. Like it's an evolutionary algorithm telling you to do it. And then an evolutionary response that makes you feel something about it. And so all of the like stuff that comes later in terms of culture, like trying to, like, there's an appropriate way to do it and an inappropriate way to do it. Like all of that comes way later. All of the other stuff is about surviving long enough to have kids that have kids. And learning to recognize the markers that that person is likely to be of good stock.

• 1:51:49Speaker 00

  It's the same reason that men look for different cues. Sorry, that women look for different cues in men than men look for in women. Because we each need something different for us to be reproductively successful. And so I found this utterly fascinating, especially like, I was tongue in cheek, obviously with, um, our orthodox, uh, Muslims. Right to put women in bags. It's like, that really comes from something that's not like, oh, some random fucking glitch in the matrix. It's like, men really do look at women for sexual cues. It is translated in the brain into a sexual impulse. That is in no way, shape or form, uh, an endorsement that just because you see something you like, that you're going to go after it.

• 1:52:31Speaker 00

  But if you want to know why it's mapped to trying to hide a woman visually, that's why. And so it's utterly fascinating to me to hear. It's something as basic as, oh, that's how they store the fatty acid. That's needed to develop a child's brain, which by the way, women's brains also shrink during pregnancy. And one of the hypotheses is that's why it's another place to get the fatty acids that are needed to build the kid's brain. Dude, it's wild. Have more kids. It's amazing, but they really are like, I'm going to take the resources from the mother that I need. And if you, uh, don't have them in the easy places like your hips and your ass, then I'll take it from your brain.

• 1:53:14Speaker 00

  If that's where I have to take it, but I am going to get mine. It's pretty wild.

• 1:53:18Speaker 02

  There was like a thread on Twitter. I can't find it anymore, but it was talking about like the differences between ass man and like boobs man. And like it showed me this, but.

• 1:53:25Speaker 00

  That's interesting.

• 1:53:27Speaker 02

  Like if you're an ass man, you're more likely to be like this type of lover and you are this type of, how you show up in this way in a relationship. Whereas if you're a tit man, you're more likely this and that.

• 1:53:34Speaker 00

  Ah, you gotta find that now, Drew. You gotta send that.

• 1:53:37Speaker 02

  A bunch of porn just started popping up. I was like, wait a second. I'll search an ass man on X.

• 1:53:43Speaker 00

  That's not going to go anywhere good. This is one from Muse. Hey Muse.

• 1:53:49Speaker 00

  In a way that I can't see, I would like you to go research this, or at least that I can't see at work, uh, while I'm live. Yeah, those will all be better solutions.

• 1:54:00Speaker 02

  So, okay. I understand the fatty acid thing, but I do feel like there's a cultural aspect to like, cause I feel like. Nine times out of 10, when a dude sees a girl with a nice ass, it's not like, oh yeah, Mike, like you're not thinking about your kids. You're not thinking about the fatty acid.

• 1:54:13Speaker 00

  No, no, no. Nature is never going to present it to you in that way. It's gotta be emotion. Humans as an animal only react to emotions, period. Uh, if you selectively damage the region of a human's brain that produces emotions. That person will be normal in every way, except for they will not be able to make decisions. It is wild. Humans do not make decisions rationally. We make them emotionally. And so when you're torn between two things, it is never the, oh, this is better for this intellectual reason. You decide emotionally and then post hoc, you add a rationalization on top of it. But, um, this is one of those things like it, when you see the graph, I always find this amusing. When you see the graph of women find men attractive in a four-year band.

• 1:54:58Speaker 00

  So however old the woman is, she finds a guy two years older than her to two years younger than her attractive. So she gets older, who she finds attractive gets older. For a guy, it's 22, no matter what his age is. And so, uh, and I remember explaining this to Lisa and I was like, listen, it is a very weird reaction. When you see a woman that you're attracted to, it feels like a, an invisible hand reaches in your brain and squeezes something. And you get this like emotional response to it. It's not a thinking response. It's not thoughtful. It's just like, whoa, I feel something. That's very enticing. And so the cultural layer of all of this becomes really interesting.

• 1:55:39Speaker 00

  When you go, okay, we're an emotional creature. Uh, we have these emotional impulses, but humans are human for a very specific reason. We have the, um, prefrontal cortex. And so we've got literally extra brain material that goes, okay, listen. Sometimes, maybe oftentimes, these emotions don't actually serve my long-term planning. So I'm not going to do that thing because it's going to be very disruptive. And so you have the impulse and then you have the ability to go, do I want to do that? Yes or no? No, cool. And so this is where then culture takes that layer and goes, okay, we're now going to build high trust societies. Because we're going to say, men, you can't act on those impulses. I don't care if you have them.

• 1:56:21Speaker 00

  And so you've got to keep that all in check. And this is exactly how humans end up reaching Mars. Because we get into like a far more interesting loop where the woman goes, I'm the sexual gatekeeper. You have the impulse, but you keep it in check. I decide whether we're going to move forward because I have competing concerns. Pre, um, birth control, having sex was extremely dangerous. The most dangerous thing a woman could do was try to give birth, like the fatality rates were crazy. And then she was also going to have to take care of it. She was going to be in a weakened position. So she became like the, okay, I'm going to be very skeptical of who I sleep with. The guy's trying to spread his seed as far and wide as possible. And so you got this like really interesting conflict.

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  And what ended up happening is women would put a really high bar that men had to get over. And so literally to get laid, women were insisting that men become better men. And so it became this really fascinating loop that you don't get to if there's no demand placed by the female. And there's no like inhibitory impulse, meaning I'm going to adhere to these cultural norms rather than just kidnap her and take her by force. And so that is, I mean, it's so incredible that we end up getting the cultural layer and just all of the incredible things that it gives us. It basically, when married to evolutionary forces, gives you the incredible modern world that we see.

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  And so shout out to the, the free won't, the stop of it all, the don't move forward of the prefrontal cortex. It's brilliant.

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  I don't want to get you in trouble, but like when you and Lisa are like in public and you see a woman, do you guys have that banter? Do you do like the, you just look forward? You don't try to like.

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  Here's the really sad truth.

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  We did. I'm 50 now, so it probably doesn't hit me as hard as it used to. But I remember being, this was either my late twenties or early thirties, and we were at a pool party at the Roosevelt Hotel. And there were these two topless women in the pool making out. And my wife, because I was like locked in conversation, and my wife comes and grabs me. She's like, yo, you gotta see this. And I was like, you are the greatest wife humanity has ever known. I cannot thank you enough for, for that. So my wife has never been insecure about that. It's something we talked a lot about was like, listen, literally on our first date. I was like, if you ever lie and say you don't find Brad Pitt, this is like peak Fight Club, like Brad Pitt. I was like, if you lie and tell me you don't find him attractive, I'm just going to assume

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  you're always lying about you only have eyes for me and all that bullshit. That's actually going to make me feel insecure. Listen, I get I don't have that physique. So if you find that attractive, please don't feel like you have to lie about it. And then please don't ever make me lie that I don't find other women attractive. That's going to make you feel insecure. I'm with you. When you're old and a bag of wrinkles, I'm going to be with you because we're sharing a life. And so technically, I did not say the, I'll be with you because we're sharing a life. Because that was our first date, but you get the idea. Over time, we've had that conversation like a thousand different ways. And so, yeah, it's not one that I think people should be spun out of control by. This is evolution. It is what it is. It's natural. And so, yeah, if my wife were like, just completely over the moon about some guy

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  that has a body type that I don't have or whatever, I'm going to be like, yeah, do your thing, like, go for it. Not go act on it, but find it attractive, celebrate it, fan, you know, yourself because you're so hot, whatever, not, that doesn't make me feel some type of way. So to me, conversation is everything. People have got to develop their own level of security to be able to deal with it. All right, that is all I have, sir. All right, boys and girls, thank you for being here. We will see you on Wednesday. Unfortunately, Drew is not going to be with us. Shout out to Drew for being here today. It was wonderful to see you. So, yeah. Ryan and I will be here doing battle on Wednesday. I look forward to seeing you guys there. We also have an AI masterclass coming up Thursday, October 8th at 1:00 PM Pacific.

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