Why Western Empathy Might Destroy Civilization w/ Dr Gad Saad | Impact Theory W Tom Bilyeu

Welcome back to Impact Theory! In today’s episode, Tom Bilyeu sits down with returning guest Dr. Gad Saad, evolutionary behavioral scientist and author, for a provocative and deeply insightful conversation about the rise of antisemitism, conspiracy theories, and the complexities of cultural values in the modern world. Dr. Gad Saad unpacks his viral critique of Tucker Carlson, explains the psychological roots of Jew hatred, and explores how identity, history, and cultural dynamics shape both prejudice and excellence. The discussion ranges from the misunderstood role of Jewish organizations like Chabad, to the repeating cycles of scapegoating throughout history, and the “punching above their weight” phenomenon seen in Jewish communities globally. Together, Tom Bilyeu and Dr. Gad Saad take on tough questions about immigration, the expansionary nature of ideologies, the limits of empathy, and whether Western societies are putting themselves at risk through unchecked compassion. Revealing, controversial, and refreshingly honest, this episode challenges you to reevaluate the beliefs and biases driving today’s social conflicts—and to consider the power of values, heritage, and evolutionary psychology in shaping our world. The Tucker Carlson Tweet That Started It All 00:00 Chabad: Who They Really Are (Not a Global Conspiracy) 00:54 What’s Behind the Tucker Claims? Parsing Fact from Fiction 02:49 The Repeat Cycle of Antisemitism in Culture 05:13 Self-Serving Bias: Why Humans Always Need a Scapegoat 13:02 The Shark Attacks Conspiracy — and How Blame Gets Assigned 14:18 Market Dominant Minorities: The Real Source of Jewish Success? 16:22 Jewish Culture: Shame, Excellence & Outsider Status 19:01 Historical Analysis: Why Jews Prize Learning Over Land 19:57 Insular Cultures and How Power Gets Built (Finance, Politics & More) 21:06 The Money, the Power, and the Seeds of Jealousy 22:38 Why Every Economic Downturn Revives Old Conspiracies 22:53 Israel, Islam and the Global Power Game — How They Actually Compare 24:04 Colonizer Myths, Religious Expansion & Double Standards 25:14 Islam, Dhimmi Status & The Sword — The True History 25:59 Proselytizing vs Exclusion: Judaism and Islam Contrasted 27:07 The Scale Problem: Radicalism, Violence & Misplaced Equivalence 34:00 Why “Most Muslims Are Nice” Doesn’t Change the Data 40:27 Western Blind Spots: Cultural Anxiety & Moral Frameworks 43:07 Follow Dr. Gad Saad: X (Twitter): https://twitter.com/GadSaad YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GadSaad Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gadsaad Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@TheSaadTruth Website: https://www.gadsaad.com/ What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business:join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show: https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business:see if you qualify here. https://tombilyeu.com/call: https://tombilyeu.com/call Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/: https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Blinkist: Start your free trial at https://blinkist.com/impact AT&T Business: Switch to AT&T Business at business.att.com http://business.att.com Quince: Free shipping and 365-day returns at https://quince.com/impactpodMonetary Metals: Future-proof your wealth at https://monetarymetals.com/impactTruemed: Check your eligibility and start saving at https://truemed.com/impactShopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impactKetone IQ: Visit https://ketone.com/IMPACT for 30% OFF your subscription order Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:09Speaker 01

  So good to be with you, Tom.

• 1:10Tom Bilyeu?

  So good to actually get to share space, man. That is one of my favorite things about filming with you. So I'm very excited to be sitting across the table once again.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  Likewise, I think fourth, maybe?

• 1:22Tom Bilyeu?

  It's gotta be, yeah. I think it's fourth, I think so.

• 1:24Speaker 01

  I will be offended if the answer to what I'm going to ask you next doesn't work out the way that, am I your number one?

• 1:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Good question. You would be in like the top?

• 1:35Speaker 01

  I'm in the rarefied, I'm in the elite, super elite.

• 1:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Super, super elite, very rarefied area. No doubt about that.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  You gotta cater to my vanity, man.

• 1:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Hey, I like it. I like it. Well, speaking of vanity, you, you literally had a tweet go hyper viral about Tucker Carlson.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:53Tom Bilyeu?

  So if you had to be specific about the beliefs that he holds that you find concerning, what would they be?

• 1:58Speaker 01

  I mean, he seems to have a bit of a, maybe slightly nefarious focus on the Jews. Or in Arabic, as we say, the Yahud, El Yahud. Which is Jews in Arabic. You know, I know a lot of guys in the Chabad organization. And I can assure you that in no meetings that I've ever been a part of, where they discussing how the start of a war with Iran will bring about their eschatological beliefs. And so. And that's what he's claimed? I think he's claimed, so I don't want to misspeak, but I think his latest sort of, you know, weaving of a conspiracy theory is that Chabad has certain religious views. What is Chabad?

• 2:41Speaker 01

  Chabad is a organization, a Jewish organization that is typically

• 2:49Speaker 01

  led by Chabad rabbis who are under the Lubavitch, you know, the Lubavitch, you know what that is? They're an Orthodox, Jewish Orthodox community. Their main man was Rabbi Schneerson, who was a rabbi out of, I think he's out of Brooklyn, who passed away maybe ten, fifteen years ago. Many of them believe that he is the Messiah that the Jews are waiting for. Yes, some do, some don't. But really what they are, and that's what I tried to explain in the article that I wrote that you referred to. They really provide, I hate the expression, it sounds woke, but they provide a space for Jews to

• 3:32Speaker 01

  reconnect with their identities. So for example, in my case, my experience with Chabad, I was a doctoral student at Cornell.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  At the time, I don't know what it is now, but at the time, there was a very sizable Jewish community at Cornell. We're all students looking for a hot meal. We're poor students, certainly as a graduate student, I didn't have much money. Here is this beautiful home where you can go have Shabbat dinner. The rabbi is gonna mention one or two moral stories or parables, but it's nothing hardcore religious. His wife, the rabbi that I'm speaking of at Cornell, his name was, or is Rabbi Eli Silverstein. His wife was a doctoral student with me. We took psychology class together. She did her PhD in developmental psychology.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  And it's just a bunch of Jews hanging around and connecting with their heritage. Home away from whom, so to speak. Right. So Tucker has beef with these guys? He has, he, he has, I don't know how, what is the genesis of the story? But it turns out that it's really the Chabad organization that's behind, you know, that's puppeteering the, the US foreign policy. Uh, and so, you know, uh, Donald Trump is saying, oh, let me, let me call the rabbis at Chabad. Uh, they're an incredibly sweet, pure group of guys who are, and they're not, you know, in Judaism, you don't proselytize, right? I mean, here you don't have to proselytize, we're all Jewish.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  But they're not, you better get back to the religion, you better do this. They just wanna make sure that everybody has a Jewish place where they can go and hang out. In my case, and it's something that I'm very, uh, proud to share. I don't know, do you know what putting on the tefillin is? No. So when you have your bar mitzvah at age of 13, there is a ritual that you then do technically forevermore, once you've become a man at 13, is you, you, you have these scrolls that you kind of wrap around your, your arm. Hmm. And you also put on your head and then you take the tallit, the, you put over, and there's, there are some prayers that you do. Right.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Which many of us would do it around the bar mitzvah and then very quickly it fades away. And in my case, it had faded away till I was leaving Cornell in my late twenties. Rabbi Eli comes to me, he goes, God, you know, you're, you're a lovely guy. You have a pure Jewish soul. Can you make me a promise? I'm like, oh, oh, here comes the ask. Here comes the ask for all those Shabbat dinners. Uh, he said, can you just promise me that you'll put on tefillin every day moving forward? Just as a, you know, reconnecting with your Jewish identity and so on. I said, okay, Rabbi, I'll do it. And from 1994, which is when I Got my PhD. Till about 2005, for 11 years, I put it on.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  And typically, that's quite a, you know, hefty commitment to your religiosity, to put it on. But he managed to do it in a very sweet, non-dogmatic way. Just do it for me, please, God. And so that's who these guys are. And then you got Tucker saying that it's these guys who are these, you know, completely meek, you know, Jewish rabbis that are puppeteering foreign policy in the Middle East. Come on, man.

• 7:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, well, so those are the specifics of Habard. But is there something that we can glean about either what's going on in culture or more specifically, what's going on with Tucker? Given what his audience wants from him? Like, the tweet to me felt like, listen, Tucker used to be a normal guy. He's now bending antisemitic. You weren't that blunt, but if I can just cut to the chase? That's what it felt like. And so I'm, I see society bending towards antisemitism. I've got a whole, like, civilizational arc take on why that happens. It's a thing that repeats throughout history. But I'm curious, like, what do you think, like, his turn is? Why is he going down that path?

• 7:45Tom Bilyeu?

  And if you don't have a specific take on Tucker, and it really is just questions,

• 7:51Tom Bilyeu?

  do you agree that we're bending towards antisemitism? If so, why?

• 7:55Speaker 01

  So let's start with the last part first. Undoubtedly, yes. I can't remember when was the last time that I came on. I don't know if it was after or before October 7th, but I can assure you.

• 8:06Tom Bilyeu?

  It was after.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  After October 7th?

• 8:08Tom Bilyeu?

  You hadn't gotten signed with Ole Miss yet.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 8:12Tom Bilyeu?

  But it was in the works.

• 8:14Speaker 01

  So in the last two years, let's say.

• 8:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 8:16Speaker 01

  I say, I mean, somewhat flippantly, but I think I'm being literal.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  I long for the good old days of Jew hatred of the Lebanese civil war, given some of the stuff that I see today. It's just, it's, it's, I mean, part of it is because you're protected from the anonymity on online, you know, on social media, so people can just spew all kinds of nonsense at you. But it really, it takes your breath away. And I mean, I have thick skin, I've seen it all. It amazes me to see what people feel. I mean, that person who is levying these things at me is maybe my dentist, he's maybe my gardener, he's maybe the kindergarten teacher. I mean, I don't know. And so.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  Unequivocally and unassailably, it's grotesque what's happening in the West. Never mind Islamic countries and so on. Regarding Tucker, I mean, in the article that I wrote, I proposed if, but I was very tepid and very respectful and polite. It wasn't incendiary. Yeah, yeah, not at all. Yeah, one was, could it be pecuniary things? It was money, is it Qatar, is it, people are calling him Qatar Sultan or whatever the name they use. Now, it is true that he left Fox and then was starting to set up his own media company. And suddenly he's got a house in Qatar. So it will be very easy for people to say that could be it. I don't know if it is.

• 9:37Speaker 01

  Whether he had a bent on of antisemitism in the past, I certainly would have never seen it. Because my experiences with him were always unbelievably, uh, warm. It's not like he didn't know that I was Jewish. I do feel though, that there is a side of Tucker, and if he's watching, I, I. He's an avid watcher of my show. He comments more than most people, yeah. Okay, perfect. Uh, okay, well Tucker, please don't be offended then, uh, but. He is a bit of a dogmatic, dogmatic kind of conspiracy type of guy. So let me give you an example. He had invited me on his long form show, which is filmed, in this case, out of Florida, several years ago.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  And when we sit down, the first thing he says is, you know, professor, your evolutionary stuff, I mean, it explains everything. I was like, oh, that, that's great that he's saying this because of course I think so too. Then I can see him on Joe Rogan, where he says, and I'll, I'll try to imitate his affectation, but I'm not a very good mimic. Everybody knows that evolution is false, obviously, right? And you're thinking, but wait a minute, I remember two years ago when. I basically apply the lens of evolution to explain the evolution of your most important organ, which happens to be your brain, and you seem to think that it was such a powerful explanatory mechanism.

• 11:04Speaker 01

  How is it that two years later, you're on Tucker saying, but everybody knows that evolution's been falsified? Well, there's a shitload of scientists that are colleagues of mine that better find out real soon that it's all a hoax, because Tucker Carlson, you know, has said that it's bullshit. So that's the kind of, or hey, I'll give you another one. He's always very respectful to me, Professor Sad, Dr. Sad. Then I see him on the show, he's like, if you haven't cured a cold, I don't know why someone would call themselves doctor. He wasn't talking to me. I'm thinking, how does an educated person, you think that Albert Einstein did not deserve that title?

• 11:45Speaker 01

  By the way, if we're gonna get into the etymology, the name, the word, the title doctor was served by medical, by physicians. It comes from docer, which in Latin means to teach, a learned person. So the original doctors, for example, the doctors of the church were not physicians. So he will often say something that ticks me back. What, what, what was that? But I thought that's part of his charm, his bombast, his Performance layer. Performance, he's hyperbolic, and I'm like, I'm down with that, I love it. But then when it flipped to the Jew stuff, I'm like, I don't know, man. And I was so torn, and I hope that the article picked that up, because I really truly have

• 12:26Speaker 01

  a code of conduct where I don't like to come after someone that I know personally that's invited me to their space. So it's gonna take a lot more before the honey badger comes out. But then I started feeling, I might be inauthentic, and I may not be the truth defender if I never say anything. So I tried to strike the right balance in that article.

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• 15:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action. The fact that Tucker has a growing audience and the fact that he, um, the way that he is gained an audience, it's very popular, what that says about where we're at on the timeline in terms of whether it's Israel or Jewish people, whatever, but there's like a heavy bent towards, okay, the US government is being manipulated by Israel. That's become, I don't know if I can go all the way to mainstream position, but it's becoming a very common refrain that I hear a lot. And so, if you had to build up from first principles, why this is a like repeating thing throughout history, how do you explain using either an evolutionary lens or just first principles thinking, how do you explain the cycle of antisemitism?

• 16:04Speaker 01

  Right. So there are the usual suspects as sources of Jew hatred. There are theological sources in Christianity and certainly in Islam. You probably know those. So let me introduce a new angle that is more relevant from a psychological perspective. So we may or may not in the past, you and I have discussed the self-serving bias. Have we talked about this? Does that ring a bell?

• 16:29Tom Bilyeu?

  I think so.

• 16:29Speaker 01

  Okay. So, but let me just repeat it because it's relevant to what you're asking. The self-serving bias is a way by which you ascribe causality to either successes or failures in your life. So, and most people, hence the self-serving bias, ascribe successes internally and failures externally. So I did really well in the business because I'm a very shrewd and smart entrepreneur. I did very poorly in the business because consumers are idiots who don't recognize the brilliance of my mind. Okay. And most people, to the extent that they have to go through a difficult life, uh, will put on that rose colored lens to navigate through the

• 17:14Speaker 01

  difficulties of life. And I get it. Now let's apply that to Jew hatred. Literally every single malady that you could think of throughout history, but certainly let's say in the Middle East where I come from, is attributed to the Jews. And I'll give you some that sound like they're being humorous, but they're not, they're literal. In 2010, in Egypt, in a resort town in Sinai Desert, in the Red Sea, called Sherm El Sheikh, there were some shark attacks on tourists. That resulted in a panic in that resort town, and a drop in tourism. It was sharks, they were fish. Do you know who was at the root of those fish attacks?

• 17:58Tom Bilyeu?

  I have a guess.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  They were Jewish sharks, they were Zionist sharks. You can go on Google later and see that, you know, the Egyptian Ministry of whatever, said that they have very convincing evidence that it was the Jews who did this. There is a website that you can go to that lists all the Jewish animals that have done attacks on humans. It could be squirrels, it could be raccoons, it could be dogs, all linked back to Jews. But if we get out of the animal kingdom, if your wife cheats on you, God forbid, it's probably because she learned about this through viewing porn, that those lascivious thoughts went into her head. Who controls the porn industry? It's the Jews. The trans stuff that we see, who was the starters of this?

• 18:42Speaker 01

  Oh, it's somehow linked to the Frankfurt School and relativism, and that those were all Jews.

• 18:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, let me ask a pointed question. If Jews didn't exist, would this sort of weird bias go away? Or would we just insert somebody else?

• 18:55Speaker 01

  Very good question. No, there is something specific about the Jews, and I'll explain why.

• 19:00Tom Bilyeu?

  So it would literally go away?

• 19:03Speaker 01

  Or at least it would be a lot less powerful as an explanation. The Jews are perfectly engineered to be the existential culprit.

• 19:13Tom Bilyeu?

  That's what I want to get to. What is the architecture in the mind? And what makes them perfectly engineered?

• 19:18Speaker 01

  We're gonna get to it, okay. So, self-serving bias, all success is internal, all failure is external. My wife cheated on me, it's because of the Jew, external. So, to your question, why is the Jew the culprit of all individual and societal failures? So here... If I borrowed the term from Amy Chua, who's actually the mentor of J.D. Vance at Yale. She's a professor of law at Yale. She wrote a, probably her most famous book is Tiger Mom. Do you remember that book? It was a New York Times or something? I didn't read it, but yes, I know it. Yeah, okay. So she talks about market dominant minorities. Okay. Right?

• 20:02Speaker 01

  Now, there are many, to your question, there are many groups of people who are a miniscule minority in a larger ecosystem, but really punch above their weight class. Yep. But no group is remotely as close in meeting that reality throughout all of history in nearly every ecosystem that they go to than the Jews. So the Jews are largely in the diaspora until Israel now in 1948. And yet, they are our surgeons, they are our top lawyers, they are our top Hollywood filmmakers, they are the top this, top that, right? Now, we can discuss later why there is this Jewish excellence. Of course, there's a genetic argument that people don't like, or we could even do a cultural argument. Hit me with it. Okay.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  The genetic argument would be that Jews are just smarter than on average. And there are a lot of IQ studies that places them on top with some Asian groups, but really on top, okay? But I'm gonna, I'm gonna ignore that one. Let's do the cultural angle, okay?

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Let's suppose you have a culture that says, if you study hard, you're acting white. And it is a form of performative white supremacy. It doesn't take a fancy professor to tell you that's probably not a good recipe for success. Aggressively. Okay, now, let's, let's, let's do the Jews. I did an undergraduate in mathematics and computer science, so I was no slouch, okay? Then I did an MBA. I'm mentioning this not to brag about CV because it's relevant to the story. Sure. So I did an undergrad, then MBA, then I was going on to pursue my PhD. One of the places that I was thinking of doing my PhD, I ended up going to Cornell, was I had been invited, accepted at UC Irvine. My brother at the time lived in Newport Beach. So-

• 21:47Speaker 01

  I come down to visit UC Irvine and my brother is trying to convince me to maybe take a break after my MBA. And put on the proverbial suit and work with him. He's 10 years older than me. And you know, you'll get some experience and then if you decide to go back to do your PhD, that's great. I wasn't at all interested in not pursuing my PhD, but my mother caught wind of my brother's attempts to try to dissuade me from pursuing my PhD right away. When I returned to Montreal and I'm visiting them at their house, my mother, you know, ushers me into a room. I I wanna talk to you. Well, I'm I'm in trouble. What's going on? What's up, Mom? She goes, I I hear that you're thinking about uh not doing your PhD.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Before I could finish and answer, no, no, don't, I'm I'm gonna do my PhD. She's like, do you know how how how much shame that would bring? Do you want people to remember you as somebody who dropped out of school? So let's go back. Having done an undergraduate mathematics, computer science and MBA and then leaving, taking a break to pursue my PhD at Cornell would bring incredible shame and people would look at you as the illiterate buffoon that you truly are.

• 22:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Right. Luna, I hope you're listening right now.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  That's the level of excellence. So it it now, we can also do a historical analysis of why the Jews are so into learning. One argument that many historians have proposed where you can't own land, you can't own anything, but you could own the knowledge that's in your brain, which you could then transport wherever next you're forced to flee. So, put all those together, it becomes unbelievably easy for me to look at the diabolical Jew who's who's creating the architecture of why I'm failing.

• 23:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, cool. So it's right in lockstep with my take on it. Um, I think that keeping the it it'll be interesting to answer definitively once and for all, even though I know it's a radioactive topic, but uh if it is true that, and I believe it's um Ashkenazi Jews specifically have a

• 23:54Speaker 01

  I was hoping you wouldn't say that because I'm a Mizrahi Jew, so I wanna take

• 23:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Tough break, man. Uh, but if that's really true, and it is from an IQ perspective, higher, uh, obviously not, not being any kind of Jew, I'm really left, uh, in the dust here. I'm not Asian. Sorry, I'm Jewish. I know, it's a tough break, but that certainly would lend credence to that. And then also, one thing I've always put in the mix is from a cultural perspective, you gave us a couple touchstones that I think are very effective, the shame of the parents, making sure you're getting educated. But the, the big one for me is that you have an insular culture where, first of all, if somebody tries to convert you, you're like, ah. No, don't want you. Yeah, yeah. Like you guys go do your thing. Like we'll, we'll stay here and you try to dissuade, dissuade. And then on top of that, helping each other out, which of course, if you're

• 24:41Tom Bilyeu?

  in exile people, you're in a diaspora, makes a lot of sense. But you start creating problems for yourself because, listen, if you really are just above average intelligence, one of the first things you're going to realize is, let me tell you, there's money in two places, or there's power in two places, money and politics. So now you've got, there's a great book by Neil Ferguson where he covers the Rothschilds. Yeah. And in it, the book's phenomenal. And I keep trying to get people to read it so that they can stop thinking about things they don't like that Jews do as like some mystical evil thing. It's like the Rothschilds were just like, there's an incredible amount of power and money, but you need to have partnerships with politicians because they

• 25:23Tom Bilyeu?

  create the policies, policies can impact money, et cetera, et cetera. So make sure that you're basically hobnobbing with them, that you've got all these connections. And it's like, yeah, that's a brilliant strategy. And people do it today, all over the place. Like this is not unique to any one culture. But insular culture, uh, they find their way to finance very quickly. You're a part of a diaspora, you're a minority. So now you're not only going into an area becoming hyper successful, you're becoming hyper successful in money and power. And so now when culture's fine and there's money all over the place and everybody's feeling good. Nobody's got beef. The second the culture turns economically and we've got a problem, it's like, who's fucking with my money? Exactly. And then boom, they zoom in right away.

• 26:07Tom Bilyeu?

  So to me, it's like, okay, I now have a first principles understanding of how we end up here. Why it keeps repeating and why it's always repeating at a time where there's economic strain. Now, whether or not there are things that that community could be doing to alleviate some of that is like another question that we can set aside, but the, what I'm trying to do is make this a thing that people are not so weird to talk about. Now, the question becomes if people are going to have an honest conversation about this, one of the things that they have to look at. So right now, I think we have this sort of weird head to head thing with Islam and Judaism. And so these two things are colliding. So you've got, Israel's managed to make a state for itself.

• 26:52Tom Bilyeu?

  But if you really go back and look, it's like, America made a state in a pretty dodgy fashion. Roll up on the shores, take things over, spread a little disease, conquer, right? So a lot of questions there, but it created something great.

• 27:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Same with Israel. And so they go into a territory. Historical connection or not, to me is irrelevant. Americans didn't have any historical connection and I don't plan to give it up to anybody. So, but they go in, they run a brilliant strategy from where I'm sitting and they say, okay, we need somewhere. We're gonna bring a bunch of people in until we're politically powerful. And then ultimately, we're going to have so much political power that we can form a country and make it our own. And they pull it off. It's not easy to do. But then I look at Islam and I'm like, they're running the same strategy. And so now it's like, okay, well, how do people point fingers at them and be like, hey, you can't do it. I know we did it. Yeah. But you can't do it.

• 27:50Tom Bilyeu?

  And so that becomes this point of collision. And so one of the things like going through the feedback that people had on your tweet about Tucker and a sentiment that I see a lot is that idea of like, well, hold on a second. Like, how can you be against that and for what Israel did? So how do you make that make sense? So.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  Let's throw some quick facts and numbers. The Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the OIC, is a body of fifty-six Islamic countries, fifty-six. Israel is the size of New Jersey. Let's suppose we use the appellation, which is an unfair one, of colonizer. If Israel is a colonizer, Islam is a super, super elite, extraordinary, orgiastic colonizer, like none has ever existed since the history of the world. So if we're gonna use, falsely in my view,

• 28:55Speaker 01

  the levy the attack of colonizer on Israel, then we don't wanna start with Islam. Because Islam literally has the sword of Islam on it as part of its flag. That sword represents, we put the sword to your neck, and we give you three choices. You either convert, as has been the case in fifty-six countries, that were once full of zero Islam, or we chop off your head, but mercifully, because Islam is a merciful... By the way, they literally argue that. It's a very swift thing, you feel no pain. That demonstrates that we are kind. Or you live under what's called the Dhimmi status. Dhimmi is the Arabic word for...

• 29:39Speaker 01

  People say second classes isn't... It's not even second class. It's right up there with the lowest of animals. You know your place, Jew. Know your place, Christian. Because you are people of the book, we will tolerate you. Until we reserve the right to no longer tolerate you. When we no longer wanna tolerate you, put on good running shoes and run. So there is this thing called, oh, what is it called? Oh, history. So there is this thing called history, where we can open these mysterious things called books that allow us to know what the reality is. To your earlier point about Jews being exclusionary, Judaism in its DNA is a non-proselytizing religion.

• 30:21Speaker 01

  That's why Jews suck at marketing new customers into their religion. Because they do exactly what you...

• 30:28Tom Bilyeu?

  From a birthday perspective, you guys are for real in trouble, by the way.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  We're useless. We suck.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  But the idea is that, for better or worse, the doctrine within the tenets of the religion are, even if Tom says, "I..." You said it exactly right. "I wanna become Jewish." No, no, no, you don't. "Okay, I'm willing to do anything." No, you don't. And we keep putting barriers to test your, you know, desire to become Jewish. Hutzpah? Hutzpah, let's call it hutzpah. So that you, so that you, you are truly demonstrating the costly signal of wanting to belong. And therefore, once you become Jewish, you really are, you're not a convert, you're Jewish in your soul.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  Well, if you have another religion that says, "The number one canonical tenet of my religion is to unify every millimeter of earth under the unifying flag of Allah." Do you need Gad's hat to tell you which of these? There's, there's no contradiction. Israel just wants to have a small sliver surrounded by 400 million, all of whom wish to see it eradicated. And they're saying, "We don't want any, we don't even wanna grow." As a matter of fact, when Israel gave up the Sinai Desert to Egypt in order for Egypt with Anwar Sadat to sign the peace treaty,

• 31:52Speaker 01

  they, if they were expansionist, they would have never given up a size of land that's many times bigger than their existing size. But they're saying, "Just F off. We live here, you live here, we both have a right to exist." Islam doesn't want that. And we're seeing it now in the United States. Go to Texas. Are you familiar at all what's happening in Texas? Okay, so the people who make those accusations, or how come Gad can do this but not that? Either they are duplicitous...

• 32:25Speaker 01

  They're willfully duplicitous, or they're ignorant, or they're a bit of both. But there is no comparison between these two ideological systems in terms of uh, serving as a threat to our personal liberties and freedoms. None.

• 32:41Tom Bilyeu?

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• 33:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for staying tuned. Now, let's get back to it. I think it might be more complicated than you're giving it credit for. So the, when I look at this problem, I think about, so we're all nested inside of, call it a woke movement, but I want to back off from the sort of judgmental nature of that. And say, okay, we're nested inside of this movement where a very good thing, empathy, has run unchecked because we've had so much prosperity for so long. We've just never encountered the price that we have to pay for people that are peristatizing a government. And so it's just run wild and wild and wild and wild. I'm sure we'll get into that in a minute, but.

• 34:33Tom Bilyeu?

  You take that and because we're inside of that, you get people that look at it and go, well, hold on a second. We made America in a way that's quite questionable. I feel bad about that. And I don't feel like if I were showing up today, that I would have a right to take this land from the Native Americans. And so, ooh, I feel kind of guilty. And so as we're getting Muslim immigrants or immigrants from anywhere, there's this sense of, I don't know what the ethical framework is that I stand on, where I can look myself in the mirror and say, it's okay that I did it. I'm well aware it's not them, it's not me. But that's how it feels as they try to build the ethical framework. And I think a lot of people are asking the question.

• 35:17Tom Bilyeu?

  I think I know how you're going to answer it, but I think it's worth asking. They look at Orthodox Jewish people in Israel who are like, we want to take all of this. Mike Huckabee literally just said that if the Jews took the entire Middle East, it would be fine. So it's not like there aren't people. I'm not saying the average Jewish person feels that. I don't think the average Jewish person's even thinking about it. I'm not even saying the average Jewish person in Israel feels that way. But nonetheless, there are like hardcore Orthodox people extremists within Israel, within the Jewish faith that do want it. You've got Christians that think that, yeah, that's, that's what God wants.

• 35:56Tom Bilyeu?

  And so that person is having a hard time delineating between a radical Jew, like religious Jew, and a radical Muslim. And they're like, bro, it's like all the same to me.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  Okay. Badminton is a sport. Boxing is a sport. Both of these sports start with the letter B. One of them is much more likely than the other to cause brain damage. Despite the fact that they're both sports, therefore they start with the same letter S. Felines includes my cat Fido. And it also includes the 600 pound male lion in Namibia. They're both felines. I'm less likely to cuddle with the Namibian wild feline than my feline. That's called a categorization error, right?

• 36:54Speaker 01

  How you categorize objects and your ability to do so in an evolutionarily relevant manner is a fundamental property of being able to navigate the world. There are 15 million Jews. There are 2 billion Muslims. It's about 125 to 1. Assuming that the radical nature of the two groups is indistinguishable, it's not remotely close to being indistinguishable. One is about, oh, say 13 trillion times more dangerous than the other. But if they were equally, so the radical Jew is just as much prone to maniacal violence as the radical Muslim,

• 37:38Speaker 01

  you'd still have a scale problem. 125 to 1. Numbers matter, right? So I could be 10 pounds overweight. Oprah Winfrey can be 500 pounds overweight, although now she's apparently lost a lot of weight. The fact that we're both called overweight doesn't mean that epidemiologically there isn't a distinction. Scale matters. I'm only, okay. So history does not suggest that radical Talmudists have been causing huge mayhem around the world. But we do have the evidence for Islam. Does that mean that most Muslims are bad and mean? Absolutely not. Most Muslims are perfectly nice and sweet.

• 38:23Speaker 01

  And I know more of those folks than most people will ever meet because I come from the region.

• 38:29Tom Bilyeu?

  But this is part of the problem is that people go, well, hold on a second. I can point to two things. I can point to truly lovely Muslims that I know pose me no harm. Arm that I won't believe for a second that this is Takiriya, Takira?

• 38:45Speaker 01

  Sharia.

• 38:46Tom Bilyeu?

  No, no, no. What's the you can lie?

• 38:48Speaker 01

  Takia.

• 38:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, they're not gonna buy that. They've just known the person too long. So they can find hordes and hordes and hordes of people that are just lovely, beautiful, incredible humans, which you have said yourself, but you know, just absolute scores of them. So there's that easy to point to. Then there's also like Israel does some gangster shit in the world. It's kind of impressive, like when you really look at it, and I know that's gonna be controversial. But like when the pager thing happened and they blew the nuts off a bunch of people. And it was like a 10 year plan to go and develop a pager company. They have to run the pager company, like it has to be a real pager company. That's so wild to me that they were able to put bombs in those. Incredible, but you can point to that, be like, yo, everywhere I turn though, it feels like there's a Mossad agent doing something incredible.

• 39:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Now you've got your Jeffrey Epstein problem. People are convinced, whether it's true or not, they're convinced that homeboy, leading the most interconnected web of sociopaths the world has ever known. People screaming Mossad agent. So it's like, ah, what? People can point to both of those things.

• 39:51Speaker 01

  They can't though. That's what I mean by scale.

• 39:54Tom Bilyeu?

  No, no, they can. You're just saying the scale is different.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Yep, exactly. That's what I meant. So yes, the Mossad blew the, as you beautifully said, the nuts of a lot of Hezbollah guys. That's different than flying planes into buildings. Those are both resulted in deaths. But not only were they different in scale, they're different in whom we're targeting. I may or may not have mentioned this on a previous show, even if I did, it's worth repeating. There are many, many databases, all of which are, some are academic, some are journalistic, all fully, fully, you know, verifiable and authentic, that track the number of Islamic terror attacks in the world.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  And you could, you could choose which period you want. So the one that I usually like to quote is one that tracks it from nine 11. That's the kind of the before and after. As of nine 11 till today, this database, and that's an underestimate of the real number. So it's a conservative number. Forty eight thousand terror attacks by Islamic terrorists in nearly 70 countries.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  You can't say that the Mossad is attacking random people in 70 countries. They're attacking usually their enemies in a few countries. So if you took, if we assume, we can debate how many religions there are. One number puts it at about 10,000. And by hereby religion, Seventh-day Adventists would be different than Protestant, even though they're both Christian. So if you take 10,000 religions and you drew a bar chart of Islamic terror and the 9,999 other religions, including Judaism, you'd come up with one bar that's 48,000. And the other aggregate are, on one hand, or maybe two hands, right? So scale matters.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  Now, let's talk about, but my friend Ahmad is a lovely guy, okay? Iran is made up of 90 million Iranians. Most of them hate the regime. Many of them don't even wish to consider themselves Islamic. They say that we are Persian, right? Islam came and colonized us. Did the fact of all those lovely, beautiful, peaceful Iranian Muslims play any part in the fact that for the past 47 years they've been living in a prison? No, right? So the fact that there are an endless number of beautifully peaceful Muslims is utterly immaterial to the trajectory of history.

• 42:38Speaker 01

  So for example, on 9/11, there were these two buildings called Twin Towers, right? It didn't take 190 million committed terrorists to bring down those two buildings. It wasn't 190 million, it wasn't 19 million, it wasn't 190,000... dot, dot, dot, it was 19 of them. So 19 is a miniscule number compared to all of the other Muslims that didn't do anything, but they're immaterial to the story. Let me draw another analogy. When I, when my daughter who's sitting here off camera is going to go down a dark alley, I use this analogy, I use one of many analogies on my recent episode with Pierce Morgan, none of which apparently hit.

• 43:19Tom Bilyeu?

  That was a funny exchange.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  Because he just said, but, but, but Ahmad, he makes really good curry. Come on, man. Ahmad, okay? So, when I, when I tell my daughter, don't go down a dark alley that has young men loitering, the statistical reality is that most men would not rape her. So it is incontestable. The statistics is a lot more than, but my friend Ahmad is a nice guy, right? Most men would not rape her. But we, the way our brain operates is it looks for statistical regularities and then uses an adaptive calculus to navigate through the world. So even though most men would never rape her,

• 44:05Speaker 01

  you and I as fathers would say, absolutely do not go down that thing. Despite the, one more example, and then I'll cede the floor to you. I know tens, tons of parents that have raised their children. None of them, as far as I know, including incredibly woke ones, that say that all sex differences are socially constructed. I don't know anyone who said, I'm looking for a babysitter for my children that's a thirty-five-year-old male with a functioning penis. It has to be that, because I'm a good person and I don't let statistical regularities, or what's that thing called, reality, shape what I do with my children's integrity of their bodies.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  So I won't let this sexist logic of fourteen-year-old girls as babysitters are less likely to molest my children. This is why I look for guys that are thirty-five to spend time with my children. I don't, I've never met any parent who does that yet. So, notwithstanding the fact that most men are not child molesters, so that's how the brain operates. Most of Muslims are lovely.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  Islam, not as much.

• 45:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, okay. So the reason that I-

• 45:20Speaker 01

  At all convincing, or?

• 45:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, it, it is, but there's a, this is all nested inside of an architecture that exists inside the human mind that I don't think anybody is talking about, and I cannot understand how I can't get people to focus on this. The scale problem. So Muslims make up a gigantic number, let's round it to 2 billion. But the very first thing that you said about Jews is that no minority ever in the history of time punches above their weight more effectively than they do. So if I'm an American and I'm slowly but surely, I'm watching Trump act in ways that I can't predict, I cannot figure out why he's doing what he's doing. And then I go, Miriam Adelson, hmm, there's something here, I think he's basically bought

• 46:03Tom Bilyeu?

  and paid for, why are these guys like Israel first, they're not acting like they're America first, this is like crazy. They start building a mental model that is influenced by effect rather than raw numbers. So they have, there's, there's almost no need to appeal to the fact that there are more Muslims by a country mile than there are Jews, if it's actually true that their life is being more impacted by Jewish people. So if Jewish people, and to me, it's like, it's, it, people cannot like separate that a person can be Jewish and totally uninvolved in all of this, they just have nothing to do with it. They're like, why, why do I keep getting thrown into this?

• 46:48Tom Bilyeu?

  So I want to be very clear, in my head, that is a very easy thing. You've got, I'll call politically active Jewish person who is literally trying to bend the world towards what they want. And let me be abundantly clear, I am of the belief that everybody should be trying to bend the world towards what they want. And so to me, it just seems like people are mad that you've got a group that's unbelievably good at it. And this is why I'm trying to get people to, I, I'm all for people saying, I absolutely despise the way that Israel is so capable of getting other people to go after their agenda, but the reality is, everybody's going after their agenda, right? So- Being mad that they're good at it, I would rather people just talk about here's what I think they're doing.

• 47:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Here's why I don't want them to be doing it instead of like spiraling out and all that weird stuff. Anyway, because of that, like if I could just get people to to start talking about this thing in a very like, put all the pieces on the board, don't try to go to bat for a team. The reality is, America right now is acting like a bully. So I'm not going to be surprised when Europe, for instance, like you guys can fuck right off. When Canada was like, we're about to elect a conservative president, nope. Or prime minister, not not going to do it now because Trump is being an asshole. And so we're going to go, I get it. I get why people are responding like that. So getting people to see that there is going to be a consequence to being so good

• 48:14Tom Bilyeu?

  at leveraging the diaspora and the fact that whatever percentage of the Jewish population it is that it has managed to make themselves extraordinarily wealthy, which is awesome. I've done it. It's very hard to do. And so I clap, like it's it's a very difficult thing. But they then leverage that money wisely, politically, to get people to move in the direction that they want, to bend them towards the things, the agendas that they want to get and all that stuff. But they've got to wake up to like, there, there is always going to be a reality to be faced that you're moving pieces on a chessboard. People don't always know what you're trying to do, but they can see that you're moving things. It makes them deeply uncomfortable. And because they're so good at it, it just spirals into all this conspiracy madness.

• 48:59Tom Bilyeu?

  And then the fact that Andrew Bustamante assures me that the French are way more hardcore than the Mossad. I just cannot wrap my head around that. So I think of the Mossad as being like the world's most impressive secret agent group. So you put that together and now it's like you got, you have to contend with that. And so you have to be able to talk about it openly. There's an incredible book called Rise and Kill First. Incredible book about the Jewish strategy of what do you do when someone's coming to kill you? You rise and kill them first. Yes. Like I would teach my daughter that, like this is like the best advice in the world.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  But Israel's gotten so good at it that it's like, it makes people uncomfortable. So can I? Please, please, please. So of course you're familiar with Thomas Sowell, right? Yes, intimately, I love him maybe more than you. And I know how much you love him. Really? Okay, that's, those are big words. So Thomas Sowell, you're exactly right, is a, is the OG, is anybody who's listening right now, drop everything you're doing. Oh my god. Go to every single one of his books, read everything he's ever done, everything he's ever said. He's the OG of fighting the wokesters. Incredible. And he's still alive. And I've been petitioning both behind the scenes and publicly for him to long overdue, receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I don't know how he hasn't gotten it, he should.

• 50:20Speaker 01

  Anyways, at one point, you can probably pull it up right here, somebody was asking Professor Sowell, what must happen so that the Jews are no longer hated? His answer was awesome. Thank you. Before you say it, one of the greatest answers of all time, consisting of one word, it starts with the letter F. Yes, it does. Fail. To your point, right? It was so, he was so, fail. Yeah, exactly. It really was the, the original mic drop, right? That's the problem, is that, look, and the, let's, let's take it away from an insidious topic. The World Cup, which is coming to the United States shortly,

• 51:02Speaker 01

  has 200 countries that compete in the World Cup. Do you know how many countries, and I'm not counting women's soccer, because it's not really a sport. I'm just kidding. I'm just joking. Okay, we finally said something offensive. It's good, because before this, everything was safe. Everything was safe, Jew, Islam, but don't, don't, by the way, we could talk about something else. I thought when you said, I, I triggered a controversy yesterday, I, I wasn't even thinking about the Tucker. I was thinking about the other one. Oh, we've got more. We've got a lot more, a lot more. Finally.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  Do you know how many countries have won the World Cup?

• 51:41Speaker 01

  Like, just off the top of your head, give me a number. Yeah, that's very good, actually. I would have thought that you would overestimate by a lot more. Eight countries.

• 51:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow, yeah.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Eight countries have ever won. What is it about the DNA, if not literal metaphorically, that can cause only eight countries in a sport that is played intergalactically, that everybody wants to win, only eight countries have won it? Whatever the reason is, it's not unlike what happens with Jews, right? There is, for genetic reasons, cultural reason, a mix of both. Argentina produces the greatest soccer players ever. It's Maradona, it's Messi, they're both left-footed, they move exactly the same way. I don't know what it is. Is it genes? Is it that they do the...

• 52:27Tom Bilyeu?

  It's both.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  Is it both? Okay. Same thing happens with Jews in a lot of the domains that we're talking about. So if I were a non-Jew sitting on the sideline and looking at those demonic Jews, the smart thing to do would be to say, "What can I do to emulate and even beat them at what they do?"

• 52:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  Right? I want to take Gadsad's story where his mother said, "You're going to bring shame", and I'm going to adopt this and inculcate my children with that level of educational excellence expectations, right? So rather than demonize that recipe of success, why don't you say, "They probably have cracked the code about some of these things, and let's emulate it." But that seems like it takes a lot of effort. Better to simply point them as being, in Arabic you say shaitan, the Satan.

• 53:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Right.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  They're Satan people, and that's what explains why I've never become an actor, because Hollywood is controlled by the Jews.

• 53:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, no, I get it. I agree. I think that's the only smart thing to do when you look at somebody that's doing something, where they had an agenda and they were able to execute against it, is to say, "Ooh, I have agendas. I'd like to be able to execute against them. What's the secret there?" And I will give that round of applause to the Muslim faith. They've done a phenomenal job of running a... Strategy, I don't, they probably won't love it being called a strategy, but the to proselytize, to punish if you try to leave the religion, it's a very good combination. Promising the virgins is also not a terrible idea.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  Not, Matt, forgive me for interrupting you. Allowing Muslim men to marry non-Muslim women, but Muslim women cannot marry non-Muslim men.

• 54:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Smart.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  Okay, so if you look at the memetic content of the Islamic religion, and maybe the Muslim viewers will appreciate this, it is the most brilliant meme-plex. So if Jews suck at marketing new adherents, Islam is the exact opposite. It's the greatest marketing strategy that the world has ever known, precisely for the points that you've said, and a few others. And so, yeah, they're, they're smart about it.

• 54:41Tom Bilyeu?

  And so now my thing is, okay, given all of that, how, and one of the all of that's that I really want people to hold in their minds is the way that America becomes a country, the way that Australia becomes a country, the way that Israel became a country. Like, these are all things that are going to make people in a modern context, in a post-World War II, everything has been good for a very long time, standard of living's insane, so we have this sense that it's our birthright to just have things. And so now we start feeling guilty, quite frankly, because we have the time and the luxury to feel guilty about it. And we're now being confronted with a religion

• 55:23Tom Bilyeu?

  that is extraordinarily good at going into a space, starting small, planting roots, and running a, you know, keep your head down, be chill in the beginning. You start to feel yourself, maybe you take over Times Square, you do some prayers, get the call to prayer going, right, and you just slowly, slowly,

• 55:43Tom Bilyeu?

  you out-produce, quite frankly, you just have more kids, and you reinforce your religion. How does, what is the ethical framework? That's the real question. What, is it ethical to push back? If so, what is the ethical framework that people use to push back?

• 56:02Speaker 01

  So one hundred percent it's ethical if you believe that human beings are endowed with a survival instinct, right? And not, I'm not trying to plug my next book, but the whole point of

• 56:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Was away.

• 56:12Speaker 01

  The whole point of suicidal empathy, that's coming out in May, is that empathy is a perfectly noble and evolutionarily selected virtue. But like most things, as Aristotle explained to us, too little of something is not good, too much of something is not good, and life is about finding that sweet spot. And it applies to an endless number of phenomena. It's probably the singular universal law of maximal flourishing that is most common across so many different domains, okay? It's the inverted U, too little, not good, too much, not good. So empathy is fine as long as it gets activated within the right norms of reaction to the

• 56:56Speaker 01

  right targets at the right time, right? So being infinitely empathetic to endless migrants under the guise of Fido is a feline and the Namibian wild lion is a feline, therefore they're both feline, therefore they're both equal, is exactly what happens when people say, you're such a hypocrite, God sad, you and your buddy Elon Musk are immigrants and yet you rail against immigrants, as if all immigrants are equally likely, number one, to assimilate and not cause havoc in your society. The fact that we're both called, right, so Mohammed the Jihadist who just came from Al

• 57:37Speaker 01

  Qaeda camp is an immigrant and Elon Musk is an immigrant, are they going to bring a net benefit that's the same? They're equal under the law perhaps, but they're not equal in their proclivity to do good or bad.

• 57:50Tom Bilyeu?

  I agree, but let's take it out of the abstract and start, because this is, we're really gonna have to contend with this. And so, everything ultimately has to be made into a policy. And it seems to me that the policy to say Muslims are a problem would be a mistake, that that's the wrong level of analysis. And it really comes down to different Muslims from different countries are gonna matter. There are factions within Muslims, or Islam for sure, that fight against each other. And so, part of what I think the West's problem is, is we have this blunt force trauma thing of Muslim bad, that then allows people to go, "You guys are just being racist." When what I, the drum I've been beating to death is, "This isn't about race."

• 58:32Tom Bilyeu?

  And you're going to be routinely confused, when two people of wildly disparate races see that the other person shares their religion, and all of a sudden they're besties. And then two people who look exactly alike want to kill each other, because one's Catholic and one's Protestant.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 58:47Tom Bilyeu?

  It is a values question.

• 58:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:48Tom Bilyeu?

  And when you find people that have your values, you can connect so fast. And when you find people that don't share your values, then you're gonna jar whether you look exactly alike or not. So, how do we, if I'm right, that saying Muslim, or even Islam, is too blunt force? It's like trying to figure out what things are while wearing mittens. How do we get to the part that actually matters? So that we can, we can create a policy that looks to things like assimilation, shared values, which I know is where you're going, in terms of you go to Canada, you proselytize for Canadian values, free speech, freedom, economic freedom,

• 59:30Tom Bilyeu?

  all of that, things that one would want to see more of in Canada or America. So, but how do we figure that out? When somebody is like, "Yeah, you're Muslim, great, doesn't matter, you share my values."

• 59:43Speaker 01

  So, you may, it may be jarring what I'm gonna say, but let's go for it. Number one, to your point about it's not a race, as a matter of fact, let me build on what you said. The Ummah is the Muslim nation. So, the brilliance of Islam, it says, "There are no national borders. There is the nation of Islam, the Ummah." So, I could be Indonesian Muslim, I could be white, pearly Albanian Muslim, I could be black Muslim from Senegal. I just said Indonesian, different race. I said Albanian white, different race. And I said Senegalese, black, from West Africa, completely different race.

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  We are all of the same, we're part of the Ummah, so. I'm building on your argument. You're exactly right. It's not racist to attack Islam by definition, okay? Islam transcends races in its canonical structure. Okay, number one. Number two, when you come to my house, I have the luxury to say, even though you have freedom of speech and freedom of whatever, when you come into my house, I'm sorry, maybe it's that I have germ contamination, you have to take off your shoes. Now, you might say, that kind of sucks. I don't want to walk around in my socks. But if you're going to be a good guest and understanding that I may have my quirks as a host,

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  please take off your thing. If you decide to come in and start putting mud everywhere, I'm probably never gonna invite you again. So even though you're a free individual within the confines of my home, I will put a restriction. You're not free to wear your shoes. I, I, I hope this is a good analogy now.

• 1:01:25Tom Bilyeu?

  So I take that as country needs to know what they stand for. They need to be able to articulate their values or customs.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. And therefore, the argument, but, but Gad, freedom of religion, that can't be the impotent spill that you take to give away your children, your wives, your culture, your religion, your heritage, your civilization. If your religion is inherently hostile to my existence, and as you correctly said, maybe you, you heard that from me saying it, maybe you, you found it. Islam has used the same playbook for 1400 years. When in the minority, act meek and play victim. Muhammad said it.

• 1:02:14Speaker 01

  When in the majority, smite at the neck and show no mercy.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  Am I making this up? Look it up. Okay. So therefore, there is no world in which, we have fourteen hundred years of history. Let me, before I answer this. When we run studies in science, we oftentimes have two conditions. We put thirty people in this condition, thirty people in that condition. And the reason why thirty is because it's when the T distribution mimics a normal distribution, just for statistical reasons. So roughly thirty and thirty is what you aim for, for you to have statistical representative. Okay? And a million studies are published in the most prestigious scientific journals with that small sample size.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  Well, I contend that the data, I don't contend, it's a fact, that the data on fourteen hundred years of Islam has more statistical power in it than every single scientific study that's ever been published. So if we're looking for statistical power of a test, we've got this data. That data says that there is no place where Islam goes, becomes majority, and personal liberties flourish. Notwithstanding that your friend Ahmed makes great curry and he's a very sweet guy. Both of those statements are true. Most Muslims are lovely, Islam not so much.

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  So how much more data would one need before they say, "Look, it's still okay because they're only one percent in the US." But in Dearborn, they're not one percent. Do we have problems there? Yes. But in Minneapolis, they're not one percent. Do we have problems there? Yes. Do we have fourteen hundred years of data in endless different societies where that exact answer question is answered the same way? Yes. Right. So let me bring it back personally. My family escaped Lebanon. It wasn't MAGA extremists that forced us to leave. My wife's family left Lebanon. They're Lebanese Armenian. It wasn't MAGA extremists that forced them to leave.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  My, some of my grandparents left Syria. It was the same group of folks that forced my grandparents to leave Syria. My brother-in-law's family was forced to leave Alexandria, Georgia, Alexandria, Egypt in the mid nineteen fifty's.

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  It was the same group of people. My wife's ancestors from Armenia escaped the Armenian genocide. It was the same people. So I just gave you Turkey. I just gave you Egypt. I just gave you Syria. I just gave you Lebanon. My wife is Armenian. I'm Jewish. There seems to be converging evidence here. But I could spend the next thirty-seven hours sharing that with you. But guess what? Your friend Ahmad is still doing good curry and is still a sweet guy. So it's about the epidemiology of Islam. If Islam goes to a place, will that fortify the United States or weaken it?

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  Well, we now have current data in France, in Denmark, in Sweden, in Spain, in Italy, in Britain, in Germany, there's in, well, I can mention more, in Canada, in Australia. What's happened? Do we have metrics that tell us, hey, have rapes gone up or down since that influx? So what would be the evidence that I would have to share with all your viewers for them to go, well, I'm not going to rely on the reflex, but you know Weinstein and Epstein are Jewish, so you know Jews too. Jews can be assholes. Jews can be rapists. Jews can be pedophiles.

• 1:06:04Speaker 01

  There's no monopoly in the darkness of the heart of humans. There are bad people in every group. We're not talking about people. We're talking about ideology. If your reflex is, I don't want communism to replace capitalism in the United States, that exact same reflex should tell you, do I want Islam to take a stronger foothold? If the answer is yes, then please petition to have more Muslims come. If not, maybe you need to listen to guys like me.

• 1:06:36Tom Bilyeu?

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