Why Central Bankers Hate Bitcoin, Congress Lies, and the Culture War Is About to Explode | The Tom Bilyeu Show

Tom and co-host Drew dive deep into the week’s most explosive headlines—from Trump’s bold moves on the global stage, including nuclear posturing and ultimatums to Russia, to Senator Warren’s controversial takes on taxing the rich and the very real repercussions that could have on cities like New York. The conversation pulls no punches, breaking down what happens if billionaires flee, what’s truly driving skyrocketing unaffordability, and the alarming collapse of the middle class as shown by a viral marriage-and-homeownership chart. But we don’t stop there. You’ll hear Tom and Drew tackle wild policy proposals, like calls to abolish the family from the Democratic Socialists of America, and why the culture-versus-politics debate may be the most crucial fight of our era. From threats to free speech in the UK and EU to the chilling implications of mass surveillance, the episode unpacks how global powers manipulate narratives—and why Americans can’t take core freedoms for granted. Turning to technology, Tom and Drew geek out on the jaw-dropping pace of AI advancements—from Google’s AI-generated 3D worlds to 11Labs’ game-changing music tools—and wrestle with the looming asteroid of automation: millions of jobs on the line, and an urgent call for everyone to understand assets and self-reliance. SHOWNOTES 00:00 Balancing Taxes and Retaining Wealth 08:35 Economic Responsibility of the Wealthy 11:51 "Inflation's Impact on Asset Ownership" 19:50 "Totalitarian DSA Concerns" 24:52 Authoritarianism and 20th Century Democide 28:34 War and Societal Willpower 36:33 Freedom of Speech Concerns 42:02 Control Through Censorship and Resentment 45:39 Impact of Gerrymandering Explained 49:25 Political Nominee Conflicts 56:08 Politicians Reflect Public Demands 58:31 Argentina's Radical Political Shift 01:04:15 Focus on Personal Rescue 01:12:40 "Power Grab Amid Crisis" 01:16:22 Genie 3: Interactive 3D World 01:21:50 "AI Sparks Radical Storytelling" 01:25:00 Interactive AI Storytelling Experience 01:34:19 Virtual Worlds: The New Frontier 01:40:09 "Gender Dynamics and Relationship Toxicity" 01:41:26 Henpecking: A Relationship Catastrophe CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to ⁠https://www.vitalproteins.com⁠ https://www.vitalproteins.com and entering promo code IMPACT at check out Allio Capital: Macro investing for people who want to understand the big picture. Download their app in the App Store or at Google Play, or text my name “TOM” to 511511. SleepMe: Visit ⁠https://sleep.me/impact⁠ https://sleep.me/impact to get your Chilipad and save 20% with code IMPACT. Try it risk-free with their 30-night sleep trial and free shipping. ButcherBox: Ready to level up your meals? Go to ⁠https://butcherbox.com/impact⁠ https://butcherbox.com/impact to get $20 off your first box and FREE bacon for life with the Bilyeu Box! Netsuite: Download the new e-book Navigating Global Trade: 3 Insights for Leaders at ⁠http://NetSuite.com/Theory⁠ http://netsuite.com/Theory What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business:⁠ join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER⁠ https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business:⁠ see if you qualify here.⁠ https://tombilyeu.com/call Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:⁠ sign up here.⁠ https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,⁠ Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook⁠ https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** LISTEN TO IMPACT THEORY AD FREE + BONUS EPISODES on APPLE PODCASTS:⁠ apple.co/impacttheory⁠ http://apple.co/impacttheory ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:⁠ https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/⁠ https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:⁠ https://twitter.com/tombilyeu⁠ https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:28Tom Bilyeu?

  And Texas Democrats have dipped out of the state to stop redistricting. That and more as we get into it.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  So this is Senator Warren on CNBC today. She recently has been promoting and endorsing Zohran Mamdani. He is the infamous now socialist candidate in New York City. This is her on CNBC Market Alert.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  You mentioned Mamdani, and you are in New York, sort of talking, speaking in behalf of him to a certain extent. You know, I wonder, though, often we see this, and this is a local election. New York does not operate in a vacuum. It competes with other cities. And so this idea of somehow raising taxes on the wealthiest New Yorkers, who, by the way, I would point out, pay roughly 15% Their income right now between city and state raising taxes on them will simply drive them away. Shouldn't the focus of a mayor be on delivering services to the constituents of the city? And doing that by raising the most revenues possible without chasing businesses? And the high income taxpayers out of the city because they can go to Austin, they can go to Dallas. They can go to Atlanta, they can go to Nashville.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  This is your issue. It's a national issue, not a local issue.

• 2:36Speaker 03

  The issue is affordability.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  What would you say to the response to that before we even hear her answer? That a mayor should kind of focus on those local services versus it being a national issue? Of kind of the taxing the rich argument?

• 2:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, so on that, I'm not even sure what he's trying to do. New York is obviously the most important city in America. It is the financial center, not just of America, but the world. I mean, look, China is obviously competing with us now, but it is such an incredibly important place that whatever they do is going to matter. Certainly across the country and potentially internationally. So that like, whatever, but yes, as a mayor, you need to be thinking locally, regardless of whether this reverberates or not. But if people want to know why we're paying attention so much to that as a local politician, same way I feel about California. When I see Newsom do something, I don't think of it as a local issue. I think of it as, okay, this is, he's the de facto leader of the Democratic Party

• 3:35Tom Bilyeu?

  in terms of he's got the biggest state in the union, full stop. And he's running a very much left leaning Democratic playbook that all the other Democratic leaders are going to be looking at. So that's not weird to me to treat that as a broader issue. And Mamdani, because he's so tied to the DSA, which we're going to talk more about today. To me, it's, it's all eyes on that race as a proxy for understanding where Americans are.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  All right, let's hear Elizabeth Warren's response.

• 4:08Speaker 03

  The issue is affordability. Do you know how many working families are chased out of New York City every day? Because they can't afford housing, they can't afford groceries, they can't afford childcare. What Zaron is saying is I want people to be able to afford to live in New York City. That's what keeps it a vibrant city. That's what makes people want to live.

• 4:29Speaker 02

  Nobody disagrees with that, Senator, but raising taxes in order to do it? Why is that the answer?

• 4:35Speaker 03

  Oh dear, are you worried that billionaires are going to go hungry?

• 4:38Speaker 02

  No, I'm worried that they're going to leave and spend their money elsewhere.

• 4:41Speaker 03

  You know, they've threatened to do that over and over and over.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  And they have. They've left.

• 4:45Speaker 03

  But here's the thing.

• 4:46Speaker 02

  And Goldman Sachs, when they create new jobs, they do it in Dallas. And Blackstone won't build a new headquarters. They go on and on.

• 4:51Speaker 03

  You want to have a workable city. You want to have a city that's vibrant. You want to have a city where the streets are full, where there are things for sale 24 hours a day. Then you need people who can live here and work here.

• 5:02Speaker 02

  We've got that right now, by the way. I would point out, New York is thriving, so, right now. It's doing pretty well, actually.

• 5:09Speaker 03

  I'm glad you think they're doing well, because a lot of people are struggling to pay for housing. A lot of people are struggling to pay for groceries. And I got to tell you, mamas and daddies who are facing $25,000 a year to pay for childcare.

• 5:22Speaker 02

  Those are national issues. I mean, I know they are the local state, but you can't...

• 5:26Speaker 03

  They are an issue right here in New York City.

• 5:27Speaker 02

  Yes, but if you deal with them in that way, by what is always your backup, just tax them more, they will leave.

• 5:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Mumdani is putting forward ideas. Think of it as like when Vivek was running for office. He wasn't in office, but he was bringing a conversation forward. Same with Yang. Part of the reason that people will run for office, even if they don't think they can win, is they can sway the national conversation. And if people don't think that people are swayed by the things that they hear, they are out of their fucking minds. Like, humans are pinballs, in a big way, in that we are... This is my take. We are automat, but we respond to ideas. And so, when you have somebody that's aggressively putting out those ideas, it's going to have an impact, especially if it's aligned with what's actually happening in culture. And I think Mumdani is aligned with what's happening in culture. I think this is the fight.

• 6:15Tom Bilyeu?

  It's arguably, depending on how you count culture in terms of importance, I think it is one of the most important fights that we're in. Even though politics and culture reinforce each other, and at any one time, you could say the culture's being influenced by politics, or vice versa.

• 6:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Ultimately, politics is downstream of what people believe and what people believe is controlled by culture. So yeah, we're in a cultural fight. There's delusion over taxes. We just heard Senator Warren explain that she has no idea what actually happens in reality, as evidenced by history, when you start cranking up the taxes. Fully acknowledging that the mayor of New York is not going to be the one to up the taxes.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  But let's do that next step because I think what a lot of people are saying is like, okay, well, the billionaires can leave. That's going to open up opportunities for us. What are they? What would the city of New York lose? How would they not benefit from people fleeing? Like, give me the second.

• 7:12Tom Bilyeu?

  If billionaires leave, what happens?

• 7:13Speaker 01

  If billionaires.

• 7:14Tom Bilyeu?

  You can't pay for things. You're, you have to start neglecting things. So if you carry over the private sector to the public sector and you say, okay, let's look at what happened to the Bronx. Like, when people think of the Bronx, it's like, oh, my God, it's like this really hard place. It did not have to be this really hard place. It became this really hard place because of rent controls. And so they went in and they said to the owners of those buildings, you're not going to be able to raise the rents. And the building owners were like, but hold on a second. The plumber is not going to suddenly charge me less because rents are controlled. If I need to do physical repairs, the contractors aren't going to charge me less. So the building costs don't change, but now you're telling me that I can't make enough money to cover it. And so they start not repairing things. So if you want to watch New York fall into a state of disrepair,

• 7:59Tom Bilyeu?

  they'll start cutting things like police departments, fire departments, social work. Like, you just start cutting all the things that cost money. So you start looking at your P and L as a city and you go, what can we afford? What can we not afford? And unlike the federal government, which can just print money ad nauseam, the local governments can't do that. Now, they'll appeal to the federal government for sure, but then the money is still going to be printed and sent to them. So either way you look at it, it's like, do New Yorkers have to pick up the bill? Are we picking up the bill nationwide? Like, does somebody in Arkansas really want to be footing the bill for poor decisions in New York City? So it's going to cause a row, to use a British phrase, where people are going to be like, the hell is going on? So, and in the world's financial.

• 8:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Center for you to not be able to generate the tax revenue that you need is literally ridiculous.

• 8:47Speaker 01

  But I do want to bring up the chart that was circulating around the internet. This one chart has 26 million views and pretty much I say it's a chart that broke the internet.

• 8:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 8:56Speaker 01

  So while we're talking about Mom Donnie, we're talking about tax, not taxing the rich. We're talking about how the economy is booming, but it feels broken. This kind of graph really encapsulates how people are feeling, at least about it.

• 9:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, this, this is not emotion. People are right. And this graph is uber powerful. It's not even the most important statistic. So, but let's drink this one in. So this is estimated percentage of 30 year olds who are both married and homeowners, starting in 1950 and going to today. So we were at 50% in 1950. We're at like what looks like 5% now. I mean, it's just, it is, it's a cliff. It falls off a cliff starting in 1990. It really makes me want to look up what policy changed in 1990 because it had a horrifying effect. It was already declining, but 1990 is a cliff. So, policy has impact.

• 9:53Tom Bilyeu?

  This is why we have to be careful. All right, the stat that I think though is even more important than that.

• 10:01Tom Bilyeu?

  You're in a high inflation environment. You must own assets. 10% of Americans own 95% of the assets. 95%. So the stat that people normally talk about is, well, 60% of Americans are in the stock market, Tom. What the problem is? The problem is having like a small 401k that's not going to do virtually anything for you. Not understanding it, not investing in it more and more and more and more and more. Not being able to own your home is very different than, oh, I make money at this fucking thing.

• 10:39Tom Bilyeu?

  And most people don't make money because they don't understand it. And so they're, I mean, they make some money, but it's very small. It's very passive. What I am realizing as I get older is there are two beats. Beat number one, learn how to make money. Beat number two, learn how to invest money. If you know how to make money, great. I was never going to be broke because I know how to make money. But I learned, now I had all this money and I was like, I have no idea how to invest, like none. And so now you're beholden to other people. Now that I'm learning how investing works, I'm like, oh my God, this is exactly how you just outperform

• 11:24Tom Bilyeu?

  the vast majority of humanity. This is how the flywheel gets started. Because if you both know how to make money and you know how to invest money, ooh buddy, like you're in a, you're in an awesome place. And if you are patient and you don't mind making your money over 20 years, bro, nothing's guaranteed in life, but I guess pretty close.

• 11:45Speaker 01

  It just takes me back to your deep dive about how a lot of times we want people to increase the tax on the rich, but it's not necessarily to benefit the poor, to make things more affordable. It's just so that way they can quote unquote feel it.

• 11:58Tom Bilyeu?

  They want to punish the rich. Once you understand that, then it all makes sense. It's like, okay, why is Senator Warren clamoring for something that she know isn't going to work? Because she wants to see them punished. And she knows the people that are voting for her want to see them punished. And so her going on and banging the pots and pans about like, we're going to tax these guys, we're going to soak them. Oh, you worried billionaires aren't going to be able to eat? It's like, that's populist rhetoric. That's not somebody who actually cares about making a solution to the problem. That's somebody who's just like, I know what people want to hear. I know what they want to feel. I'm going to make them feel that and I'm going to get reelected. And the bad news is marketing 101. Marketing is about making people feel what you want them to feel when you want them to feel it. That's what marketing is.

• 12:39Tom Bilyeu?

  And so politicians, especially in a populist moment, are just marketers. And in the age of personal branding, you get a Asma Crockett, who's very good at being outlandish and getting coverage and saying things and make the people that support her feel the way they want to feel. It literally doesn't matter if it's tied to reality. It's just, does it make me feel the way that I want to feel? Look, I, I really enjoy Asma Gold and part of the reason that I enjoy him is he's outlandish and funny. And I'm like, it doesn't even matter if he's making any sense. Just entertain me clown. And so, eh, that, that gets rough when you see graphs like that and you realize, oh, policy matters.

• 13:22Tom Bilyeu?

  But we're in entertain me clown territory and the policies cascade off of entertain me clown. So it's like, oh my God, like we're making people laugh. We're memeing them into voting for things that just make no sense.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  I, I have, I have one more thing, I'm sorry. Because when we pulling up the graph again, shout out to my DJs. We look at the home ownership of it all and we see the cliff that falls out. But we are not talking about the married part of this. And I think that the family breakdown is so, so important.

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• 16:18Tom Bilyeu?

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• 16:22Speaker 01

  And then that's when we jump over to what the DSA, that DSA meeting, as well as the Vivek town hall I want to go into.

• 16:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Hold on, because he's already said something so outrageous. He said, I, pause. The audio is hard to hear, just for a framing device. This guy says, "By the time it's all said and done, I want to see abortions happening in churches." Okay, just so people hear what's being said. Bye.

• 16:49Speaker 04

  The difference between marriage and prostitution is the price and the duration of the contract.

• 16:53Speaker 05

  We can fight for family abortions. We can imagine family abortions because we have seen Black Lives Matter do it, because we have seen...

• 17:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Pause, please. We got to take these one by one.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  The only difference between marriage and prostitution is the price and duration of the contract.

• 17:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 17:09Speaker 01

  Quote-unquote.

• 17:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, this, this is people who have this wildly antagonistic view.

• 17:15Tom Bilyeu?

  View of partnerships, of compromise, of the human experience. Kids belong to the state, not to the parents. A wife is in a prostitution arrangement with her husband just to get access to resources. I mean, this is, we are all trapped inside of a frame of reference. And so when they look at the world, they are looking at the world through that lens. And when you start making policy based on that lens, that the family is dangerous, that you want the government in every aspect of your life, that it should be totalitarian in the complete way that it envelops you. Politics?

• 17:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Bro, like, okay, I'm not religious, but if somebody said, I want God to envelop every aspect of my life, I'd be like, I get it. Now, what your God calls for is going to determine whether that takes you somewhere positive or negative. But at least that's like a spiritual thing. When you insert government, which is simply about control, basically.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  Organization of people, that's what.

• 18:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, you're saying like, I'm putting the, the notion of control to an ideology at the center of everything in my life. This is wild.

• 18:30Speaker 01

  Just keep going.

• 18:31Speaker 04

  But, you know, it is, to me, it is the, the institution of marriage can only exist alongside the criminalization of sex workers. Children whose parents are unable to provide either housing, food, or safety are treated as if they have committed a crime.

• 18:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, pause. So, uh, because we've seen, I believe she said, black people and indigenous people abolish the family. We know it can work. Can someone please point to me where that has happened? And where it's yielding great results. So that's crazy. And then, um, the, she just said something about marriage.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Um, marriage can only.

• 19:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Work if you make sex work illegal. Hold on a second. I am not with my wife because I'm like, it's at least free sex. That's nuts. Like if, if prostitutes were legal, I would just be with prostitute.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  Risky sexual behavior doesn't turn you on top? You don't want to just get a random every day from a street corner? That's, that's, that's why you're married?

• 19:28Tom Bilyeu?

  The best use of help ever. What is happening? All right, keep going.

• 19:33Speaker 06

  So kids themselves are treated as if they have committed a crime if they're not born into a family that can support them.

• 19:40Speaker 07

  In addition to abolition of family policing, you argue for abolition of the family in general, and say that the institution of the family acts as part of the parcel system in the way that it reinforces children as property.

• 19:53Speaker 05

  I think the left is constantly surprised at how few people are, you know, ready.

• 20:01Speaker 01

  It reinforces children as property. I don't want to keep dunking on them. They pretty much repeat the same thing. If, let's, let's, let's act like writers for a second time. What has to be true for people to not just say this, but to practice it, organize a town hall, get together, mask up and talk about this in like 2025?

• 20:18Tom Bilyeu?

  You have to be authoritarian. You believe that you're always right. You believe you're smarter than other people, that you see the truth in a way that they don't, that you should be trusted implicitly to create the system. Jordan Peterson had a great insight on this that I thought was shocking in how accurate it feels, which is, he goes, okay, the 20th century alone, R.J. Rummel, who is a political scientist and author and professor, wrote a book called Democide, I believe, and it's about how many people were killed by their own governments. And in the 20th century alone, he estimates that governments killed 260 million people. It's actually more than 260 million.

• 21:03Tom Bilyeu?

  So it's like, uh, and Jordan Peterson's insight was, okay, you look back at the 20th century, you see 260 million people dead at the hands of their own government, and you say, well, but communism could still work. That wasn't real communism. And he said, what they mean when they say that is, if I were running things, then this would have worked out. The level of delusion that it takes to be like... Bro, give me the keys. I got you. Like, this is all gonna be fine. It, it's just like, this is one of those where I understand why people have an immediate revulsion to politicians who want to run, because like, anybody that wants that is gonna score so high

• 21:44Tom Bilyeu?

  on things like narcissism. So, people say that you always hate the person that's most like you. This could be why people on the left hate Trump so much, is it's just the same phenomenon. It's like, I know best, give me the keys, I can't be wrong, let's go, let's go.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  And that's who Trump is, and that's what we're seeing the far left going, yeah.

• 22:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, and so they're mad, because it's like, that's me, I'm the one.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  I'm better than him, I know him, man. Okay, that's all I got. Moving on, we gotta talk about this Trump's, uh, thing of it all. So it started with Trump tweeting this out last week, based on highly provocative statements of the former president of Russia, Dmitry Medvedev, who is now the deputy chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation. I have ordered two nuclear submarines to be positioned in the appropriate regions, just in case these foolish and inflammatory statements are more than just that. Words are very important, can often lead to unintended consequences. I hope this will not be one of those instances. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Then he gave, um, Russia a deadline of Friday, August 8th, to come up with a ceasefire with Ukraine. Putin, um, through exclusive sources, talked to Reuters and said that he's not worried about,

• 22:50Speaker 01

  um, any of the sanctions ultimatum or anything that's happening. He's going to keep going through this war until he captures these four regions in Ukraine that he thinks belongs to, um, Russia. So, I'm at an impasse with my feelings right now, because I understand Trump's need to end the war, I understand that he has to, you know, hedge his bets by moving the submarines into those regions. But you have the Russian, uh, you have Medvedev saying, you know, we're not upholding to any UN sanction, any NATO treaties, we can fire whatever missiles we want to get to our end goal. And then you have Putin saying, I don't care about the sanctions, you can sanction any oil people 100%, it doesn't matter to me, I want these four territories. Is that, do you start a negotiation with that? Is that negotiating with a terrorist? Like it's

• 23:32Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm not worried about negotiating with a terrorist or anything like that. It's just you, you are in the position that you're in from a realist lens. Putin is going to do whatever he wants to do up until he incurs either internal pushback from their value standpoint. So they hit a moral wall that they're not willing to cross.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Similar like what Israel's doing now, where like they're having pressure to

• 23:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, that's external stuff. So you're only worried about the internal. So you either hit

• 23:57Speaker 01

  His own people are like uprising, revolution

• 23:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Correct. So every society believes certain things are acceptable and unacceptable. So you're going to do the Vietnam War until enough people go, this is morally repugnant. We've lost the will for this. And people know when you go up against the US, that you can usually wear them down because the people in America have a value system that says war is ugly, war is horrible, and we don't want to be in them. Uh, and so it's just a question of like with Afghanistan, do you have to wait 20 years? Uh, but you're going to be able to wear our appetite for that war to nothing. And then we're going to pull out. So Russia either hits an internal thing, probably not because he's a dictator. Uh, so then that leaves sufficient force from the outside. And so if I'm Putin, I'm going to signal as loud and clearly as I can. These are the things that I'm going to do.

• 24:43Tom Bilyeu?

  So now everybody doesn't have to wonder like, am I a madman? Or what, even if I am, I'm not going to signal that. Uh, so they don't have to wonder whether they're up against the madman. They're just going to be there, what they will run up against in their countries in terms of support for them, Europe, America, either funding or directly putting troops on the ground against him, against what Putin is saying. I just want these four areas. So people go, ah, ah, they were USSR. Like, do we really like feel like we need to fight for that? I don't know. And so it'll give people enough of the, I don't know, that like he'll probably, uh, be able to do it unless Ukraine can stop them militarily. Now Trump is a fascinating wild card because he just, from the perspective of, girl, nobody gets to talk to me like that.

• 25:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Like he'll do things just because he doesn't like the way that you're handling the negotiation. And so he, Trump is walking around in a way that's like, okay, I am the biggest, baddest world leader on the stage. Everybody's going to treat me as such. If you don't treat me as such, then I'm going to draw a line in the sand. Now,

• 25:48Tom Bilyeu?

  You want a world leader that does that and I expect to catch flak for that statement, but then I will point everybody to China and I swear to God, if people go to Bafer China and they're like, "Yeah, but that's China, bro. Like, you can't, like, what do we have to do?" And they're reaching, "Yeah, motherfucker, this is how people act. And so when it's your country, don't be fucking surprised." So, he, you want somebody that draws lines. Now, if they draw stupid lines, then you play dumb games, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. So, he needs to be very careful. But the fact that he's got swagger, the fact that he's willing to draw boundaries, I'm here for. Now, when you start playing with nuclear, nuclear escalation, everybody needs to be very careful.

• 26:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Here's where I don't trust myself. If I'm being completely honest, I am so convinced that they're not going to launch nuclear weapons on either side, that this is all theater, this is all posturing. It doesn't, Putin knows, if you do anything tactically nuclear, you trigger, everybody freaks out. Everybody freaks out.

• 26:51Speaker 01

  Everybody goes nuclear.

• 26:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, the EU is all like, "Yep, we're funding this war to the high fucking heavens." We are pointing all of our nuclear weapons at him, we are moving everything right to the fucking border. Like, this is one where I, with nuclear, I worry about a mistake. I don't worry about intentional firing. He is not going to intentionally fire. I don't think he would intentionally fire, even if he thought, "I'm about to lose." I just don't think he would. I don't think he has enough disdain for his people that he'd be like, "Yeah, I'm gonna kill 40 million of them." I just don't think he would. Now, again, I don't trust myself. I don't want to make policy. So, let's be very clear. This is why I don't run for fucking office. So, I don't want anybody to be confused. I'm not a rule for me and not for thee.

• 27:36Tom Bilyeu?

  People should not trust themselves nearly as much as they do. You want to take everything on the masses. I'm not gonna lie about how I feel, but I also don't think people should go, "Well, because Tom thinks it and feels it, I should feel the same way." It's not how this game should work, but that is how I view the situation.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  Do you think that the four territories that Putin is saying, "I just want these and I'll be good", is that legitimate or is that... Kind of like a Napoleon. Once I just get this next territory, I'm good.

• 28:01Tom Bilyeu?

  How rich are you gonna let him get? How weak is Europe gonna be? How much do we stand up to him? He will take over the whole world if he does not run into sufficient stop. America will take over the whole world if we don't run into sufficient pressure. China will take over the whole world if we don't run into sufficient pressure. This is a human thing. This is why I'm saying, please, for the love of God, look at Realpolitik. If you've never encountered it, I've done a deep dive on Realpolitik. Type Tom Bilyeu, Realpolitik, the video will come up. This is how the world works. Everything else is confusion. Every leader will keep pushing until they hit one of two things. Internal value systems of the country say, stop,

• 28:47Tom Bilyeu?

  or you meet a force from the outside that you're like, this sucks. The reason Alexander conquered the entire world is, that's what these people do. The reason that Genghis Khan conquered the entire world was, that's what these people do. They keep going until they hit a force that they cannot overcome. Like, that is the world. If you start reading about Xi Jinping, it is going to scare the life out of you. Because he simply, he holds these little meetings and he says to the Politburo,

• 29:19Tom Bilyeu?

  this is what we have to tell the world right now.

• 29:22Tom Bilyeu?

  And then as soon as they get strong, he's like, moves the goalposts, this is what we tell the world right now. And then, when they get stronger, this is what we tell them. There will be a day, if they're not stopped, where Xi Jinping goes and now we're taking Taiwan. Like, that isn't a question. And anybody that thinks that's a question does not understand human psychology, does not understand Realpolitik, doesn't understand history. So, all this information is there for anybody that wants it. So Putin will take these first four, because he has a story that he can tell about that, that's gonna be very good for his country. And then, ambition will grow in the Eden, and if that works, and he's recouped, he's licked his wounds, he sees a succession plan or feels like he can see himself living for another 15, 20 years, whatever.

• 30:07Tom Bilyeu?

  He's gonna go, okay, cool. Like, we need to regroup for a minute. We need to let our economy boom. Everybody gets fat and happy again. Then, once they're fat and happy, we'll see. And if, in the interim, EU is like now spending 3% to 5% of their GDP on military, he'll be like, okay, now's probably not the time. But if the EU gets fucking eaten alive by unchecked immigration, they have just value problem up, down, left, right, BA, select start, and they're like just in total disarray, then he's gonna be like, Poland looks pretty tasty right now. So, dude, I just can't say it enough. People will go as far as internal values allow them. So, the country's appetite for the war.

• 30:50Tom Bilyeu?

  And if there's unchecked, you're watching it happen in Israel right now. Guess how far Israel's gonna go? Until they're checked. That's it. I don't understand the confusion. And by the way, guess how far Hamas would go? Until they're checked. So, it's just that Israel fucks people up when people come to play. But that's the game. We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead, so don't go anywhere. You're probably paying two salespeople to do one salesperson's job. That's where today's sponsor, Pipe Drive, comes in. An intelligent AI-powered sales CRM loved by growing sales teams.

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• 32:14Tom Bilyeu?

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• 32:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  Alright, keeping up with international news, Tommy Robinson got arrested again. He was detained last night for some social media posts and cited on the S179 Online Safety Act. That reads, "Without reasonable excuse, sent a message conveying information known to be false, intending at the time of sending the message or the information in it to cause non-trivial psychological or physical harm to a likely audience." And then S127 Communications Act, "A person is guilty of an offense if he: a) sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an incident, indecent, obscene, or menacing

• 33:08Speaker 01

  character; or b) because any such messages or matter be so sent."

• 33:13Tom Bilyeu?

  How dumb do you have to be to make that a law? How is it possible that the country that gave us 1984 is becoming 1984? Like, it's wild, man. So, yeah, I don't understand. If you don't have freedom of speech, you don't have the ability to think, you get two-tier policing, you get all these crazy, like, resentments bubbling up under the surface. Again, people are so convinced they're right that the government does not want to hear dissenting voices. The reality is, you need dissenting voices to figure out what's actually true, what's actually working, and they don't want it. And so, it was startling to me to find out that America is the only country that I'm

• 33:53Tom Bilyeu?

  aware of that actually enshrined freedom of speech in writing in their constitution. Everybody else, they kind of allude to it, there's like a spirit of it, but they don't actually have it. The UK does not have freedom of speech, very clearly. And they're arresting something like 35 people a day for tweets!

• 34:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, you're in trouble.

• 34:15Speaker 01

  It's just getting, it's just getting worse because chat control is a plan that was dead and now revived. And this is another proposal from the EU. Uh, be able to force apps like WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram to scan every message, photo and video starting in October, even if encrypted. France flipped to support, nineteen of the twenty seven member states are now backing it. Germany's undecided, but if Berlin folds, mass surveillance becomes law by mid October. The excuse stopping CSAM. The reality, total algorithmic surveillance and the end of private messaging in Europe. So they already have the laws and now they're scanning Texas, uh, even encrypted, uh, app platforms to get it. So it just seems like a pipeline for that, that law I just read that.

• 34:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, thi- this is, imagine, imagine being arrested for something that you DM a friend. Now, I know people are gonna say, no, no, no, that's not what this says. Ask doesn't make it possible. You already arrest people for what they post publicly. And now you're making sure that you can scan what they're doing privately. Why?

• 35:19Speaker 01

  For what? Yeah, for what?

• 35:20Tom Bilyeu?

  They're, they're going to say it's to protect kids. I love protecting kids, amazing. But it is going to be used for all manner of thing. So, ah, man, you, you get what you vote for. You get what you vote for.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  And it's a non-trivial psychological thing to me, cause I mean, in, in America, it's, you know, unless you're inciting violence, you're pretty much good.

• 35:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes. You know why you have to put that?

• 35:44Speaker 01

  Why?

• 35:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Because humans at an individual level will do the dumbest things possible. And if you have to cater to every person who might be upset by something that you say, you will never be able to say anything. It, it is bananas. Also, you don't know if I'm trolling you or if I'm, no, no, no, I'm really bothered by that. And honestly, who cares? Get tough, like, for real, for real, for real. The way that the human mind works, if you never encounter distress, you do not develop the ability to deal with that stress. And so you've gotta get tough, man. This is my whole, some people need to be chased by lions hypothesis. Like, you just need things to be hard. Hard like you need people to go through hard things. And because we've had easy money, I can't believe how much this matters.

• 36:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Because we've had easy money, because we've been money printing, all of that. People legitimately don't understand that money growing on trees would actually be harder than what we do. And so the joke that people used to put forward to try to illustrate that money is actually hard to make just isn't true. Be way harder to make money grow on trees than it would be to print it. We just make it out of thin air. And so because of that, it just feels like, well, this is a law of nature. This is how life is. Cities work and streets are awesome and we're safe. Nope, it's not how the world works. We did a whole lot of crazy stuff to make sure that we could create this world. And it will go away.

• 37:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, why do you think that is? Is it the internet? Is it social media? Because there are certain things that we take for granted. Even in America, free speech is being under attack, is being attacked. And we don't realize until we see stories like this that like even calling Trump a dictator on media. You have, that's a freedom, that's a right, that's something that you can't do in other countries. Even if you say he's the worst and you say he's a PDF file and you say all these other things. That's, you have that privilege. That's something that not everybody can do across other parts of the world. So, but even that is now disinformation, misinformation. We people should only say these one things. I should be able to control the means of production. Like there just seem to be this like.

• 37:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Warm up your James Burnham finger for me. So, uh, James Burnham gives the ultimate breakdown of what is happening right now, which is the elites forever. Have been able to control the things that we see and believe. I mean, dude, forever.

• 38:10Tom Bilyeu?

  People think that there's something called objective truth and there is, but it's physics. Everything else is interpretation, given that we don't even understand physics well. It's, it's just true. Humans don't know how to interface with what is objectively true. Which means anybody who realizes, oh, I just need to control the way you see this thing. Doesn't matter what the thing is. I just need to control the way you see it. I need to control the frame. That they're going to win. And so you get very smart people who understand, oh, this is. Game of frame control and then I can manipulate people as much as I want. Uh, and forever they've been able to do that. Social media is breaking that. So they need that control again. And so now they're using censorship and all of that to get the control back. And they will either they're either too dumb to recognize that um they're actually driven by resentment and control.

• 38:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, or they're just malevolent enough to not care that they're driven by resentment and control. But the reality is they want control. They think they know best. They want control over you. And so um they they somehow have a failure of imagination and don't realize that will be used against them. So all these people are trying to put rules in place that they think that they can use to um keep you in check. You the plebe, you the peasant, you the dumbass, like, we're gonna keep you in check. This is why Sam Harris, who I love and think is brilliant and am so glad he exists in the world. I was so distressed to see that he he has encountered the same fact that I have encountered, which is that many people in the world are dumb. And many people in the world are dumber than him.

• 39:33Tom Bilyeu?

  And from that he extrapolated. And so these people need to have certain things pre-filtered, pre-masticated, because I, Sam Harris, do not want to live in a world where they get to be manipulated and then vote. And I'm saying, bro, you want to manipulate them too. You just think you that your manipulation is for their own good in the right direction. And I'm like, you can't do that. And so I am prepared to live in a world where people that are by every measure that you could possibly measure dumber than me. And the reason that I'm, that's not me saying I'm at the top. I'm just saying there is a percentage of people that will, from a numbers perspective, be far larger than one. And so they will be able to uh outweigh whatever uh vote I have.

• 40:17Tom Bilyeu?

  And I'm perfectly willing to accept that I'm gonna live in that world, because that is the only check against tyranny. And once you understand, you're the one that we have to worry about. I'm the guy we have to worry about. Everyone has to worry about themselves going, no, no, no, I got this. And now just let me be in control for a minute. And maybe partly because I get to do that in companies. And I'm like, yeah, no one gets to tell me what to do. I can do whatever the fuck I want. And I see sometimes it works and sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't. And so in business, I'm like, ah, I need to like get people's information. I need them to say the things that they think that I'm doing are dumb. And boy, oh, boy, uh, going up in the marketplace has just taught me super valuable lessons. No matter how smart I think I am, uh, I'm never going to be able to outwit the collective.

• 41:02Tom Bilyeu?

  And so I try to always think through every problem in life through that lens.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  Texas Governor Greg Abbott has taken emergency action to begin removing the, from office, the derelict quote unquote Democrat Texas House members who refuse to show up for a special session. For those people not paying attention, what's happening in Texas right now is Governor Abbott is proposing to redistrict the, uh, region. What that means is he's going to basically draw new political maps in order to increase the amounts of House members that the Republican side would gain. The way they know this is they'll basically expand red territories and shrink blue territories. Um, this is a practice called gerrymandering or redistricting. In 2019, a Supreme Court, um, called it beyond the reach of federal courts for gerrymandering and then-

• 41:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Technically, they didn't strike it down. They said, we won't stop it. So they're saying this is a state thing. Do your thing.

• 41:56Speaker 01

  And they pushed it down. So they upheld a local court's, uh, decision, which then led to a whole avalanche of district redic- uh, redistricting. Um, now let's take it to Sean Hannity who broke it down by the numbers, just how big-

• 42:10Tom Bilyeu?

  1950.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  Uh, just how big, um, the difference will be.

• 42:15Tom Bilyeu?

  So hold on really fast. What, what he's going to walk through here is basically, um, the way to understand why gerrymandering matters is that depending on how you draw the lines, you can make it such that in your state, you're, let's say that more people lean right. So let's say 42% of people in your state vote for Republicans. But in the state legislator, legislature, you have, uh, 17% of them are actually, they have a seat. So they draw the lines just in such a way that you like isolate all of the people that vote the other way into one space. So- It might win by like 98% in that one district.

• 42:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Rather than diffusing it across multiple districts, which would have given them a majority in several other districts. So you get very clever with your lines, which if you're looking at your screen, you can see how they like like make these weird, weird shapes. In order to ensure that all the people who are already going to vote red, they collapse down into one area. And all the people that were going to vote blue, you know, depending on who's doing the lines, like obviously in Texas, they're trying to make it so that red's everywhere. So both sides are just as guilty. It's just a question of who's in power and is able to pull it off. All right. With that, Sean Hannity now walks through like, okay, they voted like the 42 and 70% example. They voted 42%, but they only have 70% of the seats.

• 43:39Tom Bilyeu?

  He's going to walk you through, I'm pretty sure it's state by state or a bunch of states anyway.

• 43:43Speaker 08

  Remember, one very, very important pertinent fact that they won't tell you. Democrats across the country are up in arms over so-called gerrymandering in the state of Texas. This is the exact same practice, not only carried out by Democrats in deep blue states for decades, but it has been mastered by Democrats. Matter of fact, let's look at the numbers. The numbers don't lie. Let's start with Gavin Newsom's socialist utopia of California. Republicans, they won 39% of the House vote, meaning for Congress. But they only got 17% of the seats. In Connecticut, look at this. Republicans won 40% of the House vote, zero seats.

• 44:27Speaker 08

  Illinois, where Texas Democrats are now camping out. They have perhaps the most gerrymandered map in the nation. Take a look at that. In 2024, Republicans, they won a very respectable 47% of the statewide House vote. They only have 18% of the seats. And Maryland, Republicans got 35% of the statewide.

• 44:48Tom Bilyeu?

  So I think we get the idea that this has been happening, will be happening, is a thing. But the question is, is this going to escalate? Is Abbott actually going to arrest people? And I think I made my thoughts very clear on everybody going straight to arresting people. I think it's a bad look, but. It does seem that we just keep wanting to flirt with this. Now, again, because I'm so, I haven't been in politics for very long. I don't know if this is like, everybody always threatened to arrest everybody back to like the 1960s? Or if this really is the recent phenomenon that it feels like? This feels like it's escalating. I hate the way that there are both sides, like, one, don't run from the vote.

• 45:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Two, don't make your first attempt always to arrest people. Like, if you want to put a reasonable amount of time on it and say, "Look, guys, we get it. You want to draw attention to this issue, understand, do your thing, this is how politics works. But if you're gone for more than, whatever. Whatever is reasonable, I don't know enough about how these votes take place. If there's like some certain amount of time that they can, like if they stall it for two weeks and then you can't vote for anymore or something like that. Obviously, I wouldn't want them to be outside of that, but...

• 46:01Speaker 01

  So, this is also similar to the Supreme Court appointees. So, I remember back in the, I want to say it was like the 80s, where Joe Biden, when he was just a senator, blocked a Republican's nomination for the Supreme Court. He ended up getting overpassed, he tried to, when they take over the...

• 46:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Filibuster?

• 46:19Speaker 01

  Filibuster, he tried to filibuster, ended up getting overruled. The Republican nominee got in there. Obama tried to have a Senate, a Supreme Court justice, his got blocked. Trump's got blocked, and then we kind of keep doing this tick-for-tack thing. The thing that I'm frustrated with, this is, this entire argument is how, why I hate politics, why I think the red team, blue team is all just a distraction, and while like, they don't actually care about you, although they might say tax the rich, they might say things that make you feel like they're paying attention to you, they're not, this is a game of power, and this is 100% a power game. And it's just, now that the red team is in power, we're going to do as much as we can to redistrict and draw these lines, and the Democrats skipping town are the same things a Republican did when the Democrats tried to do it.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  So, I know that, yes, this is a both-sides thing, and yes, it happens, but it's, at some point, we have to say, "Okay, guys, this is the rules of the game, now let's work within that," as opposed to every time the other side gets into power, we're trying to make special exceptions to the rule. It's like we're playing basketball, and then one team wins and says, "Okay, now, we can only take shots from this line." And then the next team can't make it, so then they win, they say, "Okay, now, you can only dribble the ball two times and pass it back." It's like, that's, you should be able to beat me at this game, but we agree that this is the game, this is the rules, now let's operate it. Versus everybody trying to like, lawfare some special exceptions over and over and over again.

• 47:38Tom Bilyeu?

  So how did the 10-year rule get set in the first place?

• 47:42Speaker 01

  That was one of those like historical things that was just-

• 47:46Tom Bilyeu?

  It was just like, this is how we do it.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  This is how it's always been done.

• 47:48Tom Bilyeu?

  It's not like it's documented anywhere.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  I don't think it's like constitutionally or anything like that.

• 47:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I mean, look, I'm with you. Like, when you've got a settled set of rules and this is how we do things, I'm all, I love when people adhere to like, these are the common practices, the whole idea of British common law. I love it, I love it, I love it. We're not in that moment. So this is a populist moment. Everybody believes that they're fighting, I mean, you hear all the time, Donald Trump is an existential president of a marxist blah. So I think both sides are being extremely unwise. This will be used against Republicans in the future. So as long as they understand that, as long as they understand, when, not if, when you find yourself out of power, they're gonna do it to you. And so I hope it's worth it.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  Thank you, Tristan Thomas. Before, they would only do redistricting after the census. So that's why it was every 10 years, whatever like that. Uh, thank you for articulating that. But yeah, man, it's happening all the time. They break the rules and since the other times break the rules, it's gone. All right, let's get back to the gold standard.

• 48:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  This is, let's hear from Ray Dalio, the man himself.

• 48:56Speaker 09

  It used to be the case that the US dollar was backed by gold. And US government said, if you don't like these pieces of paper, we'll give you gold. And ultimately, we ended that. We're never gonna go back to that presumably, right?

• 49:08Speaker 10

  Probably, presumably, that's right. But not, if you watch these gold cycles, because you have the devaluation, then people feel, don't have confidence in the fiat system over a period of time. And through history, they've, at that point, the way that works is you print all this money, then you pay the debt with the cheap money, and then, but nobody wants to hold it, so then they go back and link it again. It is conceivable that you can see a re-linking of gold to money, but that's way in the future.

• 49:43Tom Bilyeu?

  First of all, Ray is a national treasure. We need to protect him at all costs.

• 49:47Speaker 01

  At all costs.

• 49:48Tom Bilyeu?

  It is, it's really interesting to watch him talk about this stuff because he is, the depth of knowledge that he has about how the economy works may quite literally be unparalleled. And-

• 50:02Tom Bilyeu?

  He's like talking at this first grade level all the time, like walking people through. He's like, you know, whatever, 75 years old now, and I just wanna like pay it forward. And I want people to understand how it works. And he can just do it ad nauseam, just over and over and over and over and over. But this kid is a gangster. Do not for one second forget, there is no human alive that has ever made more money betting on he understands where we're at in the monetary cycle. Nobody. And so here he is, like this soft spoken old man, like it's like, this guy's a savage. So the fact that he's saying that we, um, in the future, will probably, I mean technically

• 50:47Tom Bilyeu?

  said, uh, we probably want to, but then went on to say, yes, this is exactly what happens. This is the cycle. What he's trying to hedge against is, I think like me, he holds hope that we'll find a way to back off the precipice, at least for, you know, I mean, his timeframes give us like another, you've got like another 50 year shot to like be at the upper edge of where he's like, no country's ever made it beyond this. But if we could punt for 50 years, I'd be ecstatic. Cause that's where they would get us on the other side of AI.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  Okay, so it sounds like he's saying the cat may be out the bag, but it's not like a toothpaste out of the tube situation, like the cat, you can capture and throw it back in the bag.

• 51:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 51:28Speaker 01

  It would scratch around, it'll be bumpy, it'll be a messy ride, but you could get a cat back. But so I feel like we were.

• 51:35Tom Bilyeu?

  I love that analogy.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  That's what I was trying to like, versus the toothpaste, you can't re-toothpaste it.

• 51:40Tom Bilyeu?

  You're getting scratched.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, you see.

• 51:41Tom Bilyeu?

  But, yeah.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't think we can though, cause like fiat gonna fiat, like we're addicted already.

• 51:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Fiat gonna fiat, there's no doubt about that. Uh, here's how it would happen. Right now, growth is your only option. And so you cannot count on the Republicans, you cannot count on the Democrats to balance the budget, they're not gonna do it. So given that no one's gonna balance the budget, your two options are growth or pain. Both of those will reset the system. But the hope being that we.

• 52:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Get enough growth. I had really held out hope in the beginning that Trump would slow the spend, but he does not show any signs of slowing the spend. But he is doing things that could unleash growth. We haven't unleashed enough yet that I'm confident that it will work. But the timing of him deregulating with AI, maybe. That's your only shot. Like, that's the thing that allows me to sleep at night is, okay. Like, maybe, maybe we grow our way out of this.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  That seems like it's an optimistic way that we can.

• 52:42Tom Bilyeu?

  I almost never talk about it for that reason, because I think people need to really focus on, this is what's happening. It's happening today. Once I realized, okay, we probably can't save everybody, but we can save individuals. Then I'm just gonna make that my pitch. Don't worry about saving everybody. Save yourself, save your family, save your friends. And whatever change happens will ripple out from there. And I'm sure this is exactly what people in crypto have been trying to get me on board with forever, which is crypto is a lifeboat. I hate the analogy of a lifeboat, because a whole lot of people are gonna die in that very, very cold water. And so, yes, I'm glad that I have a boat, but boy, oh, boy. I don't like that there aren't enough boats for everybody. So.

• 53:27Speaker 01

  Okay, so we have the growth versus pain option. What does a pain option actually look like? We default on our debt, we owe people a shit ton of money, but like,

• 53:37Speaker 01

  mass unemployment. So I understand like, physical pain, but from a fiat perspective, would we eventually be able to default on our loans, get loan forgiveness, and then we'll have a fresh bill of credit? Like, how would we restart from a financial systems perspective, not necessarily the unemployment pain to the individual perspective?

• 53:56Tom Bilyeu?

  So, once you default on your debt, the whole game becomes, how do you re-convince people to invest in you? It took Argentina 100 years.

• 54:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Just to give you an idea of what's at stake. Same thing, the story of Uganda, absolutely fascinating. So Idi Amin comes in because of some shenanigans that the British were doing. Indians, which made up less than 1% of the total population of Uganda, controlled 90% of businesses. Damn. So Idi Amin goes, fuck these kids. They're getting out. And so he boots 50,000 of the like 80,000 Indians. And overnight, their economy collapsed. And it was like, whoops. It's been 50 years. Their GDP is still stuck at $1,000 per person.

• 54:51Tom Bilyeu?

  To give you an idea, America is at like 86,000. So we're almost 86 times better from a GDP per capita perspective than Uganda. 50 years after they were doing way better than they're doing now. So you've got Argentina, whoops, fucked up 100 years. Uganda, whoops, fucked up 50 years, still not back. Who the fuck knows? Like those guys aren't exactly showing signs of repair. So ah, it's like you play with this one at your peril. Now, the UK though, they did like a slow managed decline. And so World War II didn't look fun, but they come out of it. They feel good as a nation.

• 55:33Tom Bilyeu?

  We're not in a great place financially, but we're here. They go through the 80s. They finally get austerity measures going because they had just, I mean, the pound is worth like some fraction of a cent from what it was before World War II. But at least like you stretch it out, right? Over 70, 80 years. And they finally get some fiscal discipline, but they're sort of a, not backwater, they're not that bad, but like, God, man, they, they literally. Really used to run the world. And so for America to have the equivalent fall would be freakish. Like, I can't, where is England from a GDP perspective? Are they even in the top 10? I don't know, man. So it's like, uh, it's not the game that you want to play.

• 56:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, Japan in the eighties, look at every movie in the eighties. It was always, we're gonna be Die Hard. Uh, his wife's company is owned by Japanese. Uh, Back to the Future, his dad works for the Japanese. It's like, everyone just thought in the eighties, we're gonna get taken over by the Japanese. Because their economy was just go, go, going. And then it was like, whoops, that's right. The US dollars are reserve currency. US starts putting a stick in their spokes. And, uh, all of a sudden they stagnate for 40 years. So it's like, bro, this, the economic game is hard. Once you get knocked off, if you don't have the right tools, getting back up is brutal. And so if we default, we lose reserve currency status and we no longer have the tools to get back.

• 57:03Tom Bilyeu?

  And so it's like, it is such a dangerous game. That's why this is like, bro, we're talking about a potential hundred years.

• 57:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, like a reset.

• 57:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Of being like in, in a very bad place. Nobody ever, you can recover as like a regional thing. But you can have a hard time like getting back to where you were.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  Okay, um, give us the conery in the coal mine. Like, what's the one thing?

• 57:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Huh? Housing.

• 57:30Speaker 01

  So if, if another housing market goes, that's when it's like.

• 57:32Tom Bilyeu?

  No, no, no. If you want to know, are things bad?

• 57:35Speaker 01

  Specifically, Tom, like, you know, but like, what is like, okay, Lisa, grab your favorite things. Guests to the private jet. Like, what's the one thing that you're like, yes, we are now collapsing. It's too late, it's over.

• 57:46Tom Bilyeu?

  That's a really good question. Um, almost certainly it would be violence. So if.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  More revolution uprising.

• 57:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, like if you start, if you see, um.

• 58:01Tom Bilyeu?

  A couple politicians get drug into the street murdered and people are like word then bye.

• 58:11Tom Bilyeu?

  There are certain tax decisions that they can make that would make me leave California. I might not leave America, but I would beeline to a state that I think will be on the right side of economic history. Texas, Tennessee, Florida, like those are the ones that like if this all goes to hell in a handbasket, they at least have first principles thinking on economics.

• 58:33Tom Bilyeu?

  So go there, business friendly would be the quick way to shorthand that. But yeah, those would be like the early signals. And I mean, look, unfortunately, we're already starting to see some of them, the fact that people cheered for Luigi Mangione. That is, that was a very distressing signal about where our culture is. But that wasn't like.

• 58:54Speaker 01

  And like the New York shooter, apparently like a BlackRock CEO got hit or like a BlackRock.

• 58:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, executive, yeah. So people were certainly here for it, but that, that'll be interesting to see. I think he was suffering from mental illness, he himself said, I'm suffering from mental illness. So that one, I won't lay at the feet of where culture is, but. The place where it scares me is the UK has had a politician executed. But it, the society didn't get behind it, they tried to bury it, but they didn't get behind it.

• 59:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Minnesota, obviously, if that like people had really been like, oh my God, this is amazing. Like that's where I'd be like, oh shit, like we're really starting to go. That's my cue.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  All right, let's talk about AI. We've been talking about this thing all day. Now let's actually jump into it genie three. This was a Google deep mind release. Google deep mind just dropped genie three. It's, it's funny, I was watching a keynote that the CEO of perplexity did. And I forgot his name and he threw shade at Google a little bit. And he was like, there are seven Google institutions that are all releasing AI that it gets confusing sometimes. And like the crowd kind of laughed, but it's true, like.

• 1:00:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  There's a Gemini team, there's a deep mind team, there's a coding team, there's the notebook team, but. So the team that does V O three isn't even the one that does Genie three, it's crazy. But I say all that to say, Genie three is an interactive three D world, pretty much a assembler that just allows from a prompt. So you type in a prompt, it creates a three D world and allows you to interact with it. So this first example that's on the screen now, a guy navigating to a car and then walking around to the neighborhood. There was another example where, yeah, like you're painting a wall, like this is, I know this seems kind of like bare bones examples, but the fact that all this is, yeah, it's made up from a prompt. This is kind of crazy.

• 1:00:46Tom Bilyeu?

  This doesn't, if people are seeing bare bones and they look at this, this is, this is a shot across the bow to life as you know it from a content creation standpoint. The only problem left to solve in AI is consistency. And the fact that they're able to make a world, Drew, it's not a video, it's a world that you can navigate, you can look around and it has consistency where you can put a mark on a wall and you come back and that mark is still there from a prompt. Dude, that, okay, I would like to remind everybody that I get it. I see the parts where this is terrible. Can I please

• 1:01:31Tom Bilyeu?

  remind everybody of where we were? Like, what was it two Christmases ago? So we're about to hit the third Christmas with Chat GPT. I think that's correct. Came out right before Christmas. Remember all of us sitting around being like, oh my God, this is wild. This is the most insane thing. And then you make a couple of puppies like wearing a top hat and you're like, well, it's not that cool. And now, two and a half years later, you can prompt a world with persistence. People, there, there's something so weird.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  Not to mention vibe coding, not to mention all the spin off companies that now do AI things.

• 1:02:03Tom Bilyeu?

  There is something so weird about the way that humans just acclimate. Nah, that's nothing. Nah, that's ugly. Nah, it looks like AI. What the fuck? Like, it can, did you see that I send you? There's a video. It is like three minutes long. It is a single shot of AI. Three minutes long, because all you have to do is create a video, grab the last frame, say, start from this frame, and now do this, grab the last frame, and now do this, and you could just extend, literally, he could have made a three hour movie. Now, of course, it's awkward, it looks like AI, there are places where the character starts to look weird. We've gotten here in two and a half years.

• 1:02:46Tom Bilyeu?

  This is improving at 300%, not a made up number, 300% year over year, according to Sam Altman, who is one of the people closest to this. Elon Musk is trying to slap Sam Altman around. He's got the biggest AI cluster ever created. So if Sam and his rinky dink setup is 300% year over year, what's Elon and XAI going to be? We talk 350, 400? Dude, this is going so fast that as somebody spending a tremendous amount of money developing video games, I am like, thank God, I have a rule in my life that says, at all times, you are moving forward. It is very okay to make mistakes. The only mistake would be to stand still.

• 1:03:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Because if I saw a persistent world where I'm like, oh, three years ago, that would have taken me 18 months and cost $3 million. And it's now a fucking prompt. So I get, most people are just gonna freeze. They're just gonna be like, ah, this is changing too fast. I don't wanna be part of this. So right now, you can already vibe code some really basic, like, think of it as a dungeon crawler. Uh, it's so insane. I remember when the guy, and this was what, four months ago? When the guy, I think that may be a literal number. The guy coded the airplane game and like multiple people could play it. You like vibe coded the whole thing. It was really blocky, but it was like, yeah, it was an air combat game

• 1:04:14Tom Bilyeu?

  that multiple people from around the world could sign on and play, and he vibe coded that thing.

• 1:04:21Tom Bilyeu?

  That's only four months ago. And you've now got XAI putting out this dungeon crawler stuff, which, I mean, look, it looks like Super Nintendo.

• 1:04:29Tom Bilyeu?

  But we went from it doesn't exist three years ago to six-ish months ago. It's like these super blocky things to now it like, looks like a Super Nintendo dungeon crawler. It's like, bro, six months, six months.

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  Uh, keeping the AI train going, Eleven Labs Music just released a crazy iteration. This basically is promptable AI music and lyrics, history, uh, classical, uh, layered. Uh, nothing was off the table and this is like the compilation video that they released.

• 1:05:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Are we at 2X or normal?

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  Uh, normal. You gotta, you gotta soak it in.

• 1:05:11Tom Bilyeu?

  That's what I'm saying. This is AI generated.

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  Hundred percent promptable.

• 1:05:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Remember, this is the terrible version of this and it is only going to get better.

• 1:05:39Tom Bilyeu?

  The thing that excites me about AI is that once you remove like that barrier to entry, because it's so hard to do the thing. The novel ways that people will find to tell stories will be radical. Like things will move so fast, you'll have so much more variety in your world. That's really exciting. There was, I recently came across like this guitar player kid who, I don't even know how to describe what he plays. I think there is a name for it, but um, it's like this highly technologically, like it's a kid who grew up with cyberpunk as an aesthetic, bringing it back to like. Rock music? I don't, I wouldn't know how else to explain it.

• 1:06:25Tom Bilyeu?

  It's utterly fascinating. It feels almost alien. And that's what happens when you get like these super deep niches online, where people start exploring, they start reinforcing each other, and it can just spread like wildfire. But you need that first idea. That's like really bizarre. I was watching a micro documentary on the impact that Ozzy Osbourne had on the music industry. And he goes from Black Sabbath to basically inventing modern metal. And he leaves Black Sabbath and just starts being Ozzy Osbourne himself. And it's really fascinating to watch or to listen to the last song he records as part of Black Sabbath, and then the first song that he records is Ozzy Osbourne.

• 1:07:06Tom Bilyeu?

  And people saw it and they were just like, I don't, Rick Rubin said, and I quote, "I don't even know what the music industry would look like if it wasn't for Ozzy Osbourne." Because it takes that one person to do, you know, him and Randy Rhoads together. And they create essentially a new genre of music. Because you give people this new sound that when you remember that, wait, Ozzy was like a part of the like 60s and 70s vibe. Like it feels old, but then from one album to the next, he sounds modern. And so it's like, oh shit, like he literally invented that sound. Like he gave that first taste. Now people have taken it somewhere new, but you need that first person to make you go, oh, I've never heard anything like that. I want to play with that. AI is going to do that at the speed of light.

• 1:07:49Tom Bilyeu?

  It's going to introduce you to gameplay you've never seen before. Physics inside of a game world that you've never seen before. Novels written from a perspective that's shocking and you've never encountered anything like that before. That like, imagine a book that is changing itself based on the sentence that you reread twice. And it knows you reread it twice because of how long you linger in a certain area. And it's got a camera that's watching your eyes and it knows, oh, you reread that part. I know what you're lingering on. I get the people that lingered on that. When I show them this next, they really respond. And so you're reading the saying, you're like, oh, it feels alive. And if you reread the book a second time, you're going to linger on things differently. And so now the story unfolds differently. Yo! Literally, I'm freaking myself out right now. Because I guarantee things like that are going to happen.

• 1:08:35Tom Bilyeu?

  That's a world that I'm excited about.

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  How you were talking about that, it's gonna create new fractions of like information. It reminded me of kind of the story, the showrunner fable AI tool that is launching, the AI for Netflix for AI. Where literally we create a world, we create an ending and you might say, I don't like that ending. And then you kind of go and like change it and do things like that. I was literally talking to my friend and she was talking about, I want to say she was talking about improv or something like that. I forgot what she was talking, but she was like, it's like watching a movie, but it listens to you when you like shout out things and I love that. And as soon like, she was just saying in a different context on something very minimal, but that's what made me think like, oh, there is a market for this interactive media, like you like this thing, you like where it's going, you laugh at this part. Okay, let's make it a little bit more funny.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  You cry at this part, let's make it a little bit more sad. I was watching Cousin Vinny for the first time yesterday and a super funny movie, Young Danny DeVito, Marisa Tomei. And there was a certain part that was serious, but just because of the time that passed in the nature.

• 1:09:34Tom Bilyeu?

  You meant Joe Pesci, just for the record.

• 1:09:36Speaker 01

  What did I say?

• 1:09:37Tom Bilyeu?

  You said Danny DeVito?

• 1:09:40Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, Joe Pesci, sorry, Joe Pesci.

• 1:09:42Tom Bilyeu?

  I was like, Danny DeVito, I don't remember.

• 1:09:46Speaker 01

  But yeah, there was a part where like I laughed, but it was like a more serious part, but like the eyebrows move. So I can kind of see this like organic twisting of content going forward that it literally relies on you to complete it. And it becomes more of a unique experience versus this, everybody look at this thing that I've done and you're gonna like it. Versus like, what do you want? Let me give it to you and let me kind of serve you individually. So it feels unsettling because I'm so used to the first way, but it's also in a sense, kind of rejuvenating because like, okay, well, if it is very unique to me, then maybe it will be the perfect content. And maybe it'll finally be something that I like or, you know, you start to get excited about the possibilities, but.

• 1:10:25Tom Bilyeu?

  I think the vast majority of people just like now aren't going to want to be creators. They just want to watch, but these tools are going to let creators make things that are really, really tailored. So that it'll be like, your friend group will be like, watch the Drew variant of House of Cards, whatever.

• 1:10:45Tom Bilyeu?

  It's like, oh, yo, the Drew variant, the Drew variant, like, don't get the other one. Like, the Drewski variant is terrible. You want the Drew variant, the Drew variant, right? It'll be like that. And so you'll go and you'll find you do the search and you'll look at it and be like, oh shit, five star. It'll be like 180,000 reviews and you're like, oh damn, I guess this is the one. And so there will be like all these different versions of something that people will get into. It's gonna be incredible. And when I think about like from a game perspective, one of the reasons that, and look, there's a lot of controversy in the field right now about live service games. Hopefully I can make people a believer that when done well, uh, it's better. But the reason that I like game development is that it's iterative. The world is forever growing.

• 1:11:28Tom Bilyeu?

  And you can certainly like, if people want to know that like, I want this, you know, opening sequence locked in time forever. You can do like a timestamp or whatever, and here's the game, uh, as it was then. But the worlds get bigger and bigger and more complex and there's more content. I forget what game is Baldur's Gate, maybe, maybe not, I don't know. Anyway, one of those early MMORPGs that like 15 years later, they're still building it. They're still adding new content. That is my fantasy. That is what I want Kaizen to be, where it's like 15 years of just more additive content that stacks. It's not like, it's not just the reset. Like, I love the reset part of Fortnite.

• 1:12:11Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't want to get rid of that. Long explanation of how we're doing that in Kaizen. So you want some things that are like, it's this season, it's unique to this. But you also want an amount of the world that's, that's there, it's going to be there forever and it's getting bigger. And it's just like, I think that's incredible. So with AI and the fact that you can iterate so fast, and then if users can build, you really are moving towards Ready Player One. That was the thing I found the most interesting was you, you're exploring a universe. And because so much of it is made by players essentially, it's gonna be incredible.

• 1:12:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. And Hunter Biden, of all people, kind of grounds us on the other side of AI and the harsh reality of automation.

• 1:12:55Speaker 11

  In and out is fine. You don't tip it in and out. I do. What, you're tipping it in and out? Yeah, they have to wear those hats. You know what that feels like? Did you, it's a serious conversation? I met somebody that is in the, uh, you know, owns fast food franchises. His McDonald's plays 55 people. Okay?

• 1:13:14Speaker 11

  He went all AI.

• 1:13:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, man.

• 1:13:17Speaker 11

  It's about a $2 million investment per McDonald's, okay? He only employs five people now.

• 1:13:25Speaker 11

  So his margins go up by like 27%. And he'll make back the $2 million investment in under like 18 months. Think about this, there's about like 13,500 McDonald's in the United States of America. I did the math. If every one of them went down to five from 55, lost 50, on average 50 jobs. It's 670,000 jobs in America.

• 1:13:50Tom Bilyeu?

  That's just McDonald's. And it's just McDonald's. That's what I'm saying, man. And that's, not only is that just one company in one industry, it's going to be a whole lot of industries. Most companies in most industries are going to, won't be 100%, but there will be a very meaningful percentage. Now, those people are still going to need money for now. And I think we're going to see a cohesive influx of people starting their own companies. They, it'll be like contracting, but with bigger upside.

• 1:14:26Speaker 11

  Like, it's a certainty. And that's just McDonald's. You think that, Burger King, Wendy's, Taco Bell, I mean, across the board? You're talking, what, like, probably three and a half million jobs in the, um, in the, in the fast food industry alone?

• 1:14:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Pause it. So we lost about 2 million jobs in high skilled manufacturing. And that made it impossible for the average worker to improve their wages. Imagine 3.5 million. Sheesh. That's one industry. I'm telling you, like, this, this is going to hit like a asteroid. Like, this is not going to be a small effect. This is a nuclear winter for people who are not prepared. And yeah, we're, we need to be ready for it. And a big way to be ready for it is, one, understand the system, understand how much money they're going to print, understand that you need to own assets,

• 1:15:23Tom Bilyeu?

  on and on, and all the things that we talk about. But if people don't treat this as an asteroid whose impact will be felt over the next seven years, then, oh, boy, you're going to get caught off guard.

• 1:15:35Speaker 11

  Well, AI with easily within the next five years, if not three years. So I have I've flipped my thinking about this whole AI thing. You're either gonna have a massive extinction event. Or it's gonna be really good. With a rough patch in the middle. Because if between supercomputing. Power, which we're we're there already. Okay, like quantum computer.

• 1:16:00Tom Bilyeu?

  We're not a quantum yet.

• 1:16:01Speaker 11

  Deploying AI is like. How is it that we don't figure out? The commercialization of nuclear fusion within the next like five years?

• 1:16:12Tom Bilyeu?

  You will. These are already coming back on board. So pause for a sec. There there was an announcement. It's in the spreadsheet. There was an announcement that we're bringing on like fifteen, I want to say. Something for version for.

• 1:16:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Something for. Nuclear reactors. Is it right there? I think you were so close.

• 1:16:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Unfortunately, that's the one about nuclear war. So there will be two. Anyway, we're already bringing this on board. Yep. America is re-nuclearizing here. How many of them?

• 1:16:49Speaker 01

  Three next generation. Gen four reactors.

• 1:16:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Only three. Okay, so I made up the fifteen number. My apologies. I was way off. But hopefully that is the beginning of something. Because but these are coming online by next summer. I think you're gonna find the data centers. You just have to have it. And so, given that Trump is in office. Given that you really are in a race against China for energy. To power the AI, I think you're gonna see more and more of those spun up.

• 1:17:15Speaker 11

  And if we do that. A limitless source of power without any. Carbon emission or waste at all. Like, that could solve like. I mean, like. You know, we just save the earth, basically.

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  That's where everybody kind of is, is that this is gonna be the best thing ever, or it's going to be a. Long, long, long winter.

• 1:17:38Tom Bilyeu?

  It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. That is exactly what's going to happen. Uh, if you want a thing, it's going to be amazing. If you want self-respect, it's going to be a bloodbath.

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  Oh, what do you mean by that?

• 1:17:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Because people get self-respect from making progress towards something that matters to them and others. And they will have no idea how to do that. That's why I'm telling you, like, a big part of this is going to be, um, building virtual worlds. People are either gonna en masse go to Mars because they want to reset the game on hard mode because things just got too easy and it's not fun anymore. Uh, but that's really only for people that will have a deep understanding of why they feel the profound disease. I think people, when they go into everything's too easy, everything comes to, uh, free, that they derail in a different way and they become mouse utopia. And it's like, we just turn on each other. Um, so assuming that we can get through that,

• 1:18:37Tom Bilyeu?

  I think this is where people turn to virtual experiences where it's like, okay, cool. I want to go on the greatest adventures ever without putting my body at physical risk. And that's where I think this gets extraordinary, where you're like, yo, I'm really invested in this thing, like going on these quests, um, and just not risking your physical body. Because in a world of abundance, that risk becomes a choice. Going to Mars, there will be plenty of people that choose it. It's crazy that this is a real conversation. Uh, many people will choose it, but you really are putting yourself at risk. And so my gut instinct is, okay, I can go live this like really isolated,

• 1:19:19Tom Bilyeu?

  really difficult, scary life on Mars, but I get to terraform a planet and be a part of that. And there'll be one generation of people that make this a thing that's going to appeal to a lot of people. Um, or I can go on these insane adventures. Uh, and I think a lot of people are going to choose that.

• 1:19:36Speaker 01

  Um, I love when Tom gives us relationship advice because he's one of the one non-toxic relationships in my life. Um, so I saw this and it immediately made me think of you. It was like, okay, I wonder what Tom Actually be because we were traveling at the

• 1:19:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, oh, God, I really hope Lisa's still in the feed because I'm gonna need to say some things. And people need to understand this is where people are gonna be like, we gotta get Lisa out of there. Uh, I promise you what I'm gonna say is real, but okay.

• 1:20:00Speaker 01

  All right, there's no audio. It's like it's.

• 1:20:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, the audio is correct. So for those of you not looking at your phones, uh, there is a guy at a bar with his wife. And

• 1:20:11Speaker 01

  At an airport bar.

• 1:20:12Tom Bilyeu?

  He is being henpecked. So she's like fucking chewing into him about something. He's got his eyes like scrunched closed. And his hand like pressed into his face. This is a man who's not having a good time. Uh, okay. Oh, God, here we go. This is somebody who has never been checked. She needs to be checked. Not physically. I am not talking physical at all. I have never once, and I mean never once.

• 1:20:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Used physical intimidation on my wife, put a hand on my wife. Bad game, bad game. You're gonna scare them and that like that's game over. But for sure, you need to lead. You need to make it abundantly clear that, hey, listen. I've upset you. I understand that and I want to parse through that. But the escalation that you're doing right now is not helpful. You need to back down. You need to get control of your emotions. At this point, like you're going ham. This does not make sense. And so if Lisa were going at me like this. I would literally admittedly, I have a mode, my wife fucking despises it, where I don't have emotion.

• 1:21:29Tom Bilyeu?

  You are now talking to a logic center. And I do that partly to diffuse the escalatory emotions where it's like, nope, that's not gonna get us where we want to go. I have registered, I've triggered something. This matters. Your emotions indicate we have a problem. Cool. I accept that. I accept that I have a responsibility in this. We're gonna get to that. But you need to de-escalate immediately. And then I'm gonna go into, cool, what's our goal? Where are we trying to get to? Where did we derail? What did I do? I'm gonna listen. I'm gonna articulate your position back to you. But if you're attacking me, if you're using my insecurities against me, or anything like that, like that zero tolerance policy, we are going to end that.

• 1:22:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Whether it's this conversation ends until that, or if I have to make this conversation only about that thing, about that as a tactic, I'm gonna do that. And so we're gonna say, right now, you're trying to belittle me. And I don't do that. I will not be belittled in this relationship. And so you're gonna need to, right now, justify why, as a tactic, you would ever do that? What you hope to get? Dude, it is shocking. When you make people say their values out loud, what are you trying to do? Do you want me to feel small? Like, when you ask that directly, and the person either has to say, yes, I want you to feel small. Then it's like, okay, that is a horrible weapon to wield. Now, before we get, and we will get to, how grotesque that is to want me to feel small?

• 1:22:58Tom Bilyeu?

  I wanna understand, how did we get here? What have I done? I don't want you to feel this way. The way you're feeling right now is bad. It's negative. But man, listen, I really wish Lisa were here to speak for herself, so people can understand. I would expect her to do the same if I were acting emotional. Now, I think she will agree, I don't do that. But this is one where you, he has let this behavior get here. And we cannot play this game. Like, this, you do this to yourself. So, dear young man, you have let this problem metastasize. You cannot let people talk to you like that. You cannot let people treat you like that. Yeah, so this is a game I would not play.

• 1:23:41Speaker 01

  Oof, oof. Yeah, this is bad.

• 1:23:45Tom Bilyeu?

  This is bad. That's misery. I don't understand why people allow themselves to get into a relationship like that. So I don't want to make blanket statements, but there are certainly types of people where their toxicity, remember, women are violent in a different way than men. So men act a fool physically. Women act a fool from a relationship standpoint, and they will try to undermine you, tear you down. And so this is where we have to say, okay, just as I will never be physically intimidating to you, I'm not going to tolerate you trying to belittle me, demean me, make me

• 1:24:24Tom Bilyeu?

  smaller. That is as hard of a pass as I would expect you to take on me if I were physically aggressive to you. I will be taking to you for using female violence against me. And so

• 1:24:40Tom Bilyeu?

  there is a type of person that much like Putin, they're just gonna go until they hit sufficient resistance. He is not resisting. He is not meeting this challenge. He is shutting down. And so she's just gonna keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. And she becomes that kid in Walmart who's like, I know if I throw a fit, you'll give me what I want. And so he buys into the most retarded fucking statement a human can ever buy into, which is happy wife, happy life. So he's just trying to get back to neutral. So he's like, I'm gonna shut down, I'm gonna hibernate until she's done, and then I'm gonna come back. And this is just gonna keep happening. And by the way, this works. She'll nudge him and nudge him and nudge him and nudge him and nudge him into where she wants him to be. And this is why people refer to it as hen

• 1:25:20Tom Bilyeu?

  pecking. This is a fucking catastrophe. And just like a hen can literally peck something to death, a certain type of woman who goes un rebutted will continue to escalate until she is metastasized into pure cancer. Cool. All right. That's all I got. All right. Everybody, thank you guys so much for being here. We will be back on Friday at 6 AM Pacific per usual. Until then, my friends, be legendary. Take care. Peace. Let's talk about a pattern that is guaranteed to be killing your progress. You know what you need to do. You need consistent nutrition. We all do. You need vitamins, probiotics, greens. We all know that we should be doing more of it. When your morning gets chaotic, you skip it. When you travel, you skip it.

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