Will AI Kill Capitalism or Save It? Why You’re Still Broke, Masculinity Is Collapsing & No One Wants to Work | The Tom Bilyeu Show LIVE

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• 1:07Speaker 01

  Welcome, everybody, to the Tom Bilyeu Show. We are live. I am joined by our fearless producer Drew, who is back in action. It's wonderful to see you. And we've got Mason DJing for the community. So if you guys have anything that you want to say, you want to hear, you want to make sure that I hear, do let him know. We are constantly in the feed, paying attention to what you guys are saying. So we're excited to be with you today. And that brings us to our deep dive from Monday. So if you guys haven't checked it out, Tom did a whole deep dive about income tax. Who really pays taxes? What is fair share? How we should divvy up the tax pie? It's definitely interesting. Go check it out. But there are some comments that we wanted to share that definitely stood out. So excuse my copy and paste. I did this on an Excel spreadsheet.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  But Martin Steinman 3747 said, "We know that trickle down does not work. So why do you still argue for it?" This is trickle down.

• 2:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, yeah. So first of all, I did not argue for trickle down economics. But he is wrong in the sense that you will get more investments into companies, products, job creation when you reduce taxes. That's just a fact repeated over and over and over and over and over and over. When you simultaneously globalize, you don't get to take advantage of it.

• 2:29Tom Bilyeu?

  And so, yeah, when you run the policies that we ran, there are consequences. So this is why, like, for the, the middle class ends up getting split in half. Here's why the middle class disappears. I think everybody thinks that the middle class just becomes broke. They don't. The middle, half of the middle class goes up, half of the middle class goes down. That's what hollows out the middle class. So in your, calling it trickle down economics was, they were just trying to sell it to the people. So set that aside for a second. When you overtax the wealthy, they stop creating, jobs go away, the whole GDP contracts. Okay, just, that's been played out over and over and over and over and over. It's just, that's what's going to happen.

• 3:11Tom Bilyeu?

  If you don't regulate at all, then capital will abuse the people. Seen that over and over and over. That's the Gilded Age, okay? Very different reason because they weren't printing money. But that's what you see. When you over-regulate, then you get social democracy, which is stagnation, leads to socialism, which is basically communism on the installment plan, which is, we all know. No bueno. So it becomes a question of how do you keep your capitalistic society, which is the only system that has ever proven to work? I will remind everybody, what did China do when they realized, oh, communism starves everybody to death?

• 3:54Tom Bilyeu?

  They went, we gotta go to capitalism. And, um, I always forget his name, Deng Xiaoping? It's close to that. But he said, it doesn't matter if the cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice. Meaning, I'm trying to make sure that all of the people in my country can eat. And we thought that that was going to be communism, but that cat didn't catch mice. So, cool, we're gonna use what I call red light, green light capitalism. Where it's like, you can be capitalistic, but you're going to do so in service of the government. So you can do whatever you want, until we step in and say, but now do this. And so, in that way, it's a little like marriage. You can be reasonable and sensible all you want, but if your wife comes in and says,

• 4:38Tom Bilyeu?

  you gotta be crazy on this one to back me up, then every now and then you gotta be crazy. And so, that's red light, green light capitalism. And look, what China has done is unbelievable. I don't want to live in that system because you have no individual rights. Anything can be taken from you, including your life. But it's pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. So it's like capitalism with a Chinese twist has pulled more people out of poverty even than capitalism, at least in a short amount of time. Maybe over time, not as many, but in the rapid amount of time. But it's still capitalism. It's still saying, we're going to let people get disproportionate rewards. And that's the part that people hate.

• 5:19Tom Bilyeu?

  And when I was talking to my now, um, my sister-in-law about like what it's like in China, she was saying, look, the equality in China reminds me, the inequality, excuse me, the inequality in China reminds me of the inequality in America. It's very extreme.

• 5:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Because you're going to let people reap disproportionate rewards. That's the only way to get them to work around the clock. So there was a old quote in Russia that says, um, they'll pretend to pay us and we'll pretend to work. And that's how you lose the Cold War. You're just not competitive because people don't have the incentive.

• 5:58Tom Bilyeu?

  So I think that when you're talking about economics, you need to talk about the here and now. We can always talk about AI. It's one of my favorite subjects of all time, but there are so many unknowns for us to act like, oh, we can put policies in place now that we know this is how it's going to play out with AI. The only thing I know is that AI won't play out the way that we expect it to. It might play out like in a similar sort of vein, like an age of abundance. I think we're either going to be Terminator style enslaved or eradicated, or there will be an age of abundance, or AI just won't be a thing. But if, if you really have even a million, but of course it would be far more than that. But if you had even a million people with Einstein's level of intellect, which is like well within reach.

• 6:41Tom Bilyeu?

  And they can work around the clock, a million Einsteins, like, or better yet, a million Elon Musks. Working around the clock? Bro, the world would be unrecognizable in five years. So, uh, all you have to do is drive energy costs low. Labor then becomes free and, uh, it's an age of abundance. Now, it's gonna be a weird period between here and there. So, but the specifics of that, nobody knows. Cause there are gonna be surprises along the way.

• 7:08Speaker 01

  That leads me to my next comment. Uh, Boojin5455 said, "This is BS. Even in small tribes, it's not zero sum. If I build a hut, there's one more hut in the world that there used to be. So I just quote unquote, created value. If I build a second hut for my neighbor, he now also has a hut and maybe he makes a canoe in exchange. Now there's another hut and another canoe. And so the wealth of the tribe has increased even more. This zero sum thing has nothing to do with historic realities. It has never been true."

• 7:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so here's where people get themselves confused. So if you are living in a pre-industrial tribe and you really just have to make sure that people don't starve to death, then you store calories on another person's body. Uh, the problem is that your average life expectancy is about 30 years. So this is if people want to, uh, go back to that, but I don't know what they think they're going back to. So these are people that are eating entirely organic and they're still dying. They die violent deaths, they die of exposure, they die of hunger. Watch a season of Alone and you will very quickly realize that, uh, when times get tough, shit is so zero sum, you kill other tribes on sight.

• 8:18Tom Bilyeu?

  So it's like, uh, people have this sense of like a mythical thing in the past. So also, um, the idea that, well, I created a hut and now it exists. Think about that. How was the hut created? This is what we call proof of work. So you've got people that help you build that hut. So now if you built it by yourself and someone else comes and lives in it, I'm gonna guess you have beef. If a bunch of people help you build that hut and they come and live in it, you have less beef, but it probably works more like the Amish where it's like, "Hey, look, I'm gonna help you build a hut and then I expect you to help me build a hut." And that doesn't scale. It's awesome for the tribe, but it doesn't scale. And that's why Dunbar's number exists. You hit about 150 people and they splinter off. And they go elsewhere in search of their own resources to try their own fortune,

• 9:03Tom Bilyeu?

  to run a different experiment. But yeah, I'm not sure what people see when they look back in the past, but it is not peace. It is conquer, death, rape, mayhem, on, on a level that is so extraordinary as to be almost impossible to believe.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. Nice. Moving on, moving on. Click rush. There is one simple question that exposes everything that is wrong with current tax systems. Why is labor tax higher than wealth?

• 9:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so the reason that labor, they're, they're drawing a weird distinction here. But if you say income and wealth, you'll get closer. So the reason that income and wealth are taxed differently is because wealth isn't real.

• 9:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Wealth isn't real. Wealth is a hypothetical. Income is real. So when you try to tax wealth, this is the part that drives me crazy about someone like Mamdammy. What he doesn't understand is for me to give you the money, dear government, on the wealth that you were taxing me on, I have to break the thing. So I have to sell the share. I have to sell my house, whatever. And so now I no longer have that thing. I have some lesser portion of the money, but I no longer have that thing, which means now I'm looking for another asset. So then I buy that asset. But now I'm back in the same position. You're going to tax me if that asset goes up, you're going to tax me again. And I'll have to break that thing again in order to get you your money. And now an economy cannot grow.

• 10:36Tom Bilyeu?

  So what people should be focused on is what makes the economy grow? When the economy is growing, like if our economy were growing at four or 5%, it's roaring 20s. Nobody's complaining about anything, everything. It's only up. It's like, if you remember when the STEMI checks were flowing and everybody was like YOLOing into crypto and how like euphoric that moment was, that, I mean, you can get, when an economy is really booming, I mean, you can get that to last years and years because you're getting raises, there's more money coming into the system. Like it's, it is a very good time. That's when everybody's feeling good. That was China over the last. Thirty years, man, like absolutely wild. So that should be the goal.

• 11:17Tom Bilyeu?

  But alas, getting there is very, very difficult. So anyway, you can't get there if you're breaking wealth. So you have to tax income because it's the only thing that's already been realized.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  There's a beef there though, where a lot of times people use their wealth as leverage to do other things that avoids the income tax that they would otherwise have to pay.

• 11:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Correct.

• 11:38Speaker 01

  So there is some type of loophole that we should, you think we should need to close, where I can borrow against my perceived wealth.

• 11:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, here's an easy one. Tax everybody a flat percentage.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  Regardless.

• 11:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 11:48Speaker 01

  So don't even worry about fixing. Yeah, don't worry about fixing that thing.

• 11:51Tom Bilyeu?

  You're gonna pay.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  The new fix is throw everything out, everybody gets this.

• 11:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep. Let's say that number's 25%. Everybody pays 25%. Doesn't matter. You make a dollar, you pay 25 cents. You make a trillion dollars, you pay.

• 12:05Tom Bilyeu?

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• 14:32Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, thanks for sticking with us. Let's jump right back in.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 14:36Tom Bilyeu?

  All done. Nice, simple tax code. You pay 25%. And so, your money will be trapped in that asset until you do something with it. And then, it's a taxable event. That's why Elon Musk... Elon Musk may not pay any meaningful tax again for a decade because he liquidated whatever... I forget how much. But a lot of billions. And so, then at that point, it's like he paid a massive... He was the biggest taxpayer, I think, in the world ever that year. So, it's not like they don't pay tax. It's just they don't pay tax every year. Or they don't pay any meaningful tax compared to like what they're earning. Because so much of executive compensation these days is based on performance, meaning,

• 15:20Tom Bilyeu?

  hey, if I can grow the stock, then I want some of the stock so that I can get paid based on whether or not I perform. But again, they're not going to get taxed until they actually sell that stock. Because you can't guarantee that the stock will actually be worth that. The only way to find out is to actually sell it. Once you sell it, you broke it.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  All right, and Sensei J44 said, Tom makes a strong case here, but there's one thing that keeps bothering me. If inflation exploded because of reckless money printing and asset prices soared as a result, why didn't wages follow? The truth is, the people who already owned assets were protected or even benefited from inflation, but the rest of us, the one paid in cash instead of stock, fell behind fast. Facts. And here's the kicker, companies didn't adjust wages based on cost of living, they based them on cost of labor. That's not about what it takes to survive, it's about how little they can pay and still fill the job. So even if rent, groceries, gas, and everything else doubled, it didn't matter. They chose to hoard the gains. Workers produced record profits during and after the pandemic, but most of that wealth went to stock buybacks

• 16:22Speaker 01

  and executive bonuses, not wages. So yes, resentment is real, but it's not just emotional, it's logical when the game is rigged. We need better solutions, not more finger pointing. And part of that means rewriting the rules, let asset holders win by default while workers lose ground year after year.

• 16:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Drew, do you know what's wild? People are going to complain about prices going up, and they're gonna yell and scream that Trump tariffed us into oblivion, and he brought all this manufacturing back to the US, and what an idiot, like, comparative advantage, this should be done by the people that can do it the best, and like, why are we bringing this back? The reason, the very reason that people weren't able to get their wages to go up is because the CFO or the CEO are looking at the books going, oh, we can get this person for cheaper in India, or in China, or wherever. And so they did. That's why you don't globalize.

• 17:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Or, I should say, that's why in a globalizing moment, it benefits the builders, it benefits the wealth holders, the people that own the assets, they fucking love it. Now, as a PSA reminder, anybody can buy into the stock market. So there's no reason for you to isolate yourself from these gains. Everybody has access. But I get it, most people aren't going to avail themselves of those gains, fair enough. But then you need to have manufacturing brought back, but that's gonna make some things more expensive. Because you're saying, I would rather have the jobs, I would rather have wages going up than have all of the cheap stuff that we were getting before. You get the cheap stuff because you allow all the builders to go wherever the labor is cheapest.

• 18:02Tom Bilyeu?

  It doesn't make any sense for you to say, uh, pay over market wages. It's like, no, no one's gonna do that. You can't run a business like that. You're gonna go up against everybody else who isn't doing that. They're going wherever, they can get the cheapest labor. And they will lose, they will go out of business. Because people vote with their dollars, they want cheap stuff. So this is like where I'm, we are mad at ourselves. We're mad at ourselves for who we vote for. We're mad at ourselves for the tax policies we let them pass. We're mad at ourselves that we let them globalize. Uh, but ultimately, like, we the people are in control. If we think that the people are voting for terrible policy, we need to scream from the rooftops.

• 18:47Tom Bilyeu?

  And don't vote for them. This is why I was radicalized by the big beautiful bill. That, that was heartbreaking for me. That's when I realized, I knew that like both sides will print money. But I honestly held out hope that the Republicans would at least hem it in a bit. Nope.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  Maybe break even, maybe, you know, something like that, but.

• 19:11Tom Bilyeu?

  I mean, listen, we're making some money off tariffs, that's great, but like, I don't see any impulse to be fiscally responsible.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  Full stop. Um, all right, those were the questions from the tax video. Again, guys, definitely check it out. It opened my eyes into a lot of things. Sometimes when you do deep dives, I'm like, okay, I know, I know how he's gonna take it. But the last two between rent controls and tax, um, it showed a perspective that I only heard about and didn't have the numbers and figures and stuff to actually back it up. And once you get into that minutia of stuff, you definitely see it in a different way, so.

• 19:44Tom Bilyeu?

  It's crazy, it's crazy. Check them out, check them out, it was one out of 10, boys and girls, one out of 10 on YouTube, our latest deep dive. Do not miss it. Are the rich paying their fair share? That is the question that we ask and answer.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  There is something for that last question about wages keeping up with inflation and how, I think you framed it as the profits were hoarded, like they hoarded the gains as opposed to like passing them down directly. And to your point, in the globalist moment, it's kind of easy to do that. Is that a policy without signaling your top-down authority antenna? Is that something that you think we need to kind of look into to make sure wages stay up? Is like, okay, you have a set number of H1B1s you can use, or you have to have a certain amount of US citizens on payroll? Like, should we get to that level of?

• 20:35Tom Bilyeu?

  I wouldn't do it like that, but tariffs are certainly one way to make sure that it's like, okay, like, we're gonna have to start making some of this stuff here. So it'll be interesting to see how things play out with China. Because if China's like, hey, we're gonna tariff the life out of you, then we'll be like, all right, we've got to make some of this stuff here. I hope that it's done regardless of who's in office, based on like, what do we need to be self-reliant? Because right now, having all of our pharmaceuticals made elsewhere, having all of our drones made elsewhere, there's just too many things, semiconductor, although that is moving back. There's too many things that we absolutely rely on at a thousand layers of our society that are done elsewhere. We need to bring back the forward-facing, critical manufacturing.

• 21:19Tom Bilyeu?

  That alone, I think, would have a very big impact on labor's ability to negotiate. Because now, all of a sudden, it's like, we're hiring, we have so many people in the workforce here. Companies don't have the option to go elsewhere. It's like, this is going to be made in America. And when you have that, now you've got people that are in a position where they can actually negotiate their salaries. But when it's like, oh, I can go in the globe, man. Oh, you don't want to do this for this price? No problem, I'll go to Bangladesh. It's like, ah, it's a rough position to be in.

• 21:58Speaker 02

  We got a couple of things in chat. First off, um, Amelie will said, what if pay was based on company income?

• 22:06Tom Bilyeu?

  There's not going to be any way to do that. It's like you've got a, this goes back to capitalism works because you're letting the person who's closest to the problem say this is the thing that we need to run the company on. So let me give you one example. People are up in arms about like these companies are just doing stock buybacks and like, this is terrible. They get the capital because their stock is considered valuable. They would not be able to grow and scale their companies and create all the jobs if they didn't have access to the public markets. So the fact that they have access to the public markets allows them to create these juggernaut companies and create the jobs and all of that stuff. Once you start telling them, no, no, no, you can't do that. Then it's like, you guys aren't close enough to the problem to know what I need to do to grow this company.

• 22:48Tom Bilyeu?

  And if you give me the tool of the public markets, I'm going to use them as well as I can. And this is one of the ways we can use it to attract real money. To be able to get big dollars into the company, to be able to get important dollars into the company, to be able to attract talent from all around the world that'll help us get deals done. Like, let me tell you, if you've got somebody in Saudi that's invested in your company, now all of a sudden it's like Saudi has a vested interest to make sure that company is doing well. So things like that are how you get deals done, how you attract talent from all over the world, how you aggregate capital. I really think a big problem is people do not understand what it means to aggregate capital.

• 23:26Tom Bilyeu?

  And that the world we are all used to and totally take for granted is a result of aggregated capital, meaning capital could be spread out over a whole bunch of things, but instead it's narrowly concentrated on a few thousand things. And you get gigantic skyscrapers and you get Apple computers and you get TSMC and you get Epic Games, like you get all these incredible companies. Because they've been able to go out to the world and say, our shares matter. We are a high velocity company. And if we get the kind of capital from this capital raise that we think we're going to get by going on to the public markets, here's the things that we're going to do. And people go, ooh, like, yes, I want in because I believe the next five, 10 years for that company are going to Be extraordinary, but you have to have access to the public markets.

• 24:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, do I think the public markets are perfect? No, I do not. Do I think that they are a gambling mechanism? Yes, I absolutely do. But do they give us the world that we see? Yes, do they give us a world that we see prior to the grotesque inequality? Yes. So remember, the stock market started in the 1600s. So the world as you know it is a world in which capital has been able to be aggregated in the public markets. And I think it is a modern miracle that you can buy a percentage of a share so that anybody can get into the stock market. Look up Wall Street Bets if you don't already know them.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  From 312 Mary H.

• 24:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Sorry, not Wall Street Bets, Wall Street Trapper, my bad.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  They said, not everyone has extra money to invest with, be fair.

• 24:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Everyone has money to invest with. Period, end of story. So.

• 25:03Speaker 02

  There was also a debate about the flat tax. Would that burden the poor more than the rich?

• 25:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Sorry, would what burden the poor?

• 25:12Speaker 02

  The flat tax?

• 25:14Tom Bilyeu?

  It would.

• 25:17Tom Bilyeu?

  It would, in the sense that right now they pay roughly 0 to 3%. So it's so de minimis for them. But would it make more funds available to the government? Almost certainly by a lot. So now, look, I haven't run the numbers in any detailed fashion, but my instinct is you. I said that when Drew was like, there are loopholes that people need to, that people are getting around. And I'm saying there's a very easy way to close every single loophole ever. And so if you want to make sure that a wealthy person is never walking away paying 7% or whatever people think they pay, which is not the truth, but if you want to make sure that that never happens, then just do a flat tax.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  And then this name is hilarious Nikola Tesla Steven Greer lost century greed kills.

• 26:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Long name.

• 26:04Tom Bilyeu?

  That is intense. A lot of good reference.

• 26:06Speaker 02

  Said Tom is flat out wrong about high taxes on the one percenters. Follow what we did after the depression. No need to reinvent the wheel.

• 26:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  High tax.

• 26:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Somebody didn't watch the deep dive. We did follow what they did after the Great Depression and it didn't work. So the Great Depression was extended by all of the madness. I forget what they call it. The Roosevelt Dip or something like that. Anyway, when you start taxing the wealthy, guess what happens? The economy begins to contract. World War II is what got us out of this. We then had a progressive tax rate at 90%. And guess what? On a per person basis, so this is not just because we have more people in America now. On a per taxpayer basis, we collect more tax dollars now than we did when we had a 90% progressive tax rate. People have some delusional sense of what America was like previously. It just wasn't

• 27:01Tom Bilyeu?

  like that. Go do the math. Go look at the numbers and you will see, oh, whoops. Yeah, we are collecting more per taxpayer right now. Plus, when you don't have a war, and I really hope we continue to not have a war, it's hard to get people to feel like, okay, well, I'm doing my patriotic duty. What you need to do right now, you've got to get out from under the debt. You've got to get out from under the debt. Everything else is a red herring. Everything else is tribal. Just ask yourself what's really gonna work. What is really gonna work? What's really gonna work is paying down the debt. You have to pay down the debt.

• 27:35Speaker 01

  Okay, I don't want to trap you into boomer territory of you telling people to stop buying avocado toast and invest.

• 27:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  But you are saying like, even if it's 10 bucks a month, whatever, like you can.

• 27:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Stop buying avocado toast and invest. I mean, you either want it or you don't. I don't, like, if you're telling me that you're on the low end of the spectrum, I'm saying, find a way. What is your goal? Your goals make demands. That's it. Remember, you're not arguing with me, you're arguing with reality. I am merely trying to point people in the direction of the thing that's going to work for them. So I'm telling people exactly how I'm making money. I'm telling them what to do. Hey, guess what? The knowledge thing isn't real anymore. You, first of all, you could sit down with Chad GPT, a free version, just talk to it. Get, if not Chad GPT, there are so many AIs that are free. Go find out the solution to how to invest, all of that. Be very conservative.

• 28:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Play the game for a very long period of time. You've got to be talking like 10, 20 years. You're going to get wealthy slowly. Okay? First of all, I was trying to get rich as fast as I could, and it still took me 20 years. So it just play the game, play the long game.

• 28:47Tom Bilyeu?

  People are just convinced that I'm not giving them the real answer because I'm wealthy. Okay, here was the promise that I made long before there were any cameras and I was just talking to private employees. I said, I will teach you anything I know about entrepreneurship, anything. That was my shorthand for the thing I understand how to do that allows me to control my life. Okay, I will teach you anything I know.

• 29:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Including how to build a competitive nutrition company. So I will teach you guys anything, literally anything, anything you want to know. How I think about investing, how the economy works, how to build a business. I think that's going to be huge. I think AI is going to turn everyone into an entrepreneur, not everyone, but you get the idea. I will teach you how to do it, literally. If people pose a question, I will give them an answer. You will see over time, I'm not holding anything back. I'm giving you my best answers as fast as I can talk. It's the most selfish thing, by the way, that I can do for two reasons. One, it will grow the channel. And two, hang tight, we'll be back in just a moment.

• 29:47Tom Bilyeu?

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• 30:30Tom Bilyeu?

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• 30:54Tom Bilyeu?

  All right. Thanks for sticking with us. Let's jump right back in. I want a thriving middle class to sell to. So you don't even have to trust me to be nice. I think I am, but you don't have to trust me to be, uh, you can just trust me to be selfish. And I'm going to give you the real answers. After that, you, you were just arguing with reality. Is there, and by the way, we could talk about like Norway. Okay. Norway, stop calling them the Nordic countries because they're, they're, uh, so different. Sweden is literally falling apart before our very eyes, but Norway, like if people want to get into the Norway of it all, well, let's talk about Norway. It's going to be a trade off as you would expect, but at least then we can be like, okay, what did they do? Well, because Norway has done some things. Well.

• 31:37Speaker 02

  Riley Small actually brought up Norway a little bit ago, saying Norway taxed unrealized gains, one and a half percent over one year. They lost $700 million in tax revenue and successfully eradicated their billionaires, AKA value creators.

• 31:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. So, well, there you have it. Whoops.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  Somebody, um, wanted to shout out your bar and I have to second that inner beast. I was trying to get rich as fast as I could and it still took me 20 years.

• 32:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 32:02Speaker 01

  That's a bar. And that just went over zoom because I want it now, Tom.

• 32:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 32:07Speaker 01

  What about it? I needed.

• 32:08Tom Bilyeu?

  So did I. That was the bad news. Like I really wanted to get rich right away. When I first got into business, I thought it would take 18 months. Whoops. It took a while.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  It was Tom's blue eyes. That's what did it.

• 32:21Tom Bilyeu?

  That's it. That's it. I have somehow turned brown, but that's okay.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  Cause now when you're rich now, you have whatever eye you want. I support people who are stuck with their eyes.

• 32:30Tom Bilyeu?

  The funny thing is, I think you can change your eye color now, which is wild. Yeah. They literally just laser that shit. I don't know how they do it, but it's a thing. Uh, are you both rich or just Tom? I don't know who that's aimed at.

• 32:42Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't have Tom money.

• 32:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Don't, don't begrudge Tom his success. That's pathetic. Well, thank you, fanboy. I appreciate that.

• 32:49Speaker 02

  Is there a nuance to investing where there's like? If I think about it, if I only invest the $10, that will not make me rich. But then, so is there like a percolation threshold where?

• 32:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, okay. So first of all, let's reject that idea because if you invested $10 in Bitcoin, like the day it came out, you would be one of, you would be obscenely wealthy. You'd almost certainly be worth millions of dollars.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  That's true and fair, but you can see how someone would be like, yeah, but how could you?

• 33:15Tom Bilyeu?

  For sure, for sure. I'm just saying like that kind of stuff is high risk gambling. But what I don't want people doing is telling themselves a terrible story. What you want to say to yourself is I don't trust myself to identify the right thing enough that I'm going to be able to take $10 and make myself wealthy. Awesome. I love that story. It's true. It's going to orient you wisely. So now you go, okay, I can't trust myself. So what's the right way to invest? The right way to invest? And I've seen somebody dropping it in here, which is like dollar cost average into index funds. And that's just a punchline. It's not sexy, but it is the thing. So, um, yeah, like do the thing that has been tried and true for like 120 years in the US stock market. You just, you put the money in diversely across, I mean, S and P 500 is a great place to start.

• 33:57Tom Bilyeu?

  It's not the only place, but like the S and P 500, I think the gains right now are like 7% or something. So, uh, man, that's great. And so you want to just be there. Time in the market instead of time in the market. And by the way, you don't want to just put $10. You want to put $10 every paycheck. And then if you get to the point where you can put $20 every paycheck, put $20 every paycheck. If you can do a hundred, do a hundred. If you can do a thousand, do a thousand. But do something every day that you delay, you're falling more and more behind.

• 34:27Tom Bilyeu?

  I really want the answer to be sexy enough that people get excited about it, but it's just that.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  Disclaimer disclaimer, not investment advice.

• 34:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, I'm not.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  Allegedly.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  We also had a um, a super chat earlier that didn't hit the threshold, but I think it's interesting to bring up. Um, from the soccer barber, I'm just tired of working two jobs, 5am to 8:30pm, and I can barely afford a crappy apartment. I have school loans and I'm barely making it. What can I do?

• 34:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, yes, I get that. Okay, so uh, the answer, because you're already in the situation.

• 35:02Tom Bilyeu?

  The answer is you have to upregulate your skillset so that you can do something that will make somebody else money, so that you can get paid more money. That, that is just the real answer. Uh, so you wanna focus obsessively somehow, some way, I get it. When you're working two jobs, this is not easy. One, on your commute, researching, learning something, cause keep in mind, I also, like you, I work around the clock. Okay, I've worked up to 120 hours a week. I did that for eight months straight. I know what it is like to work essentially every second that you're awake. To be losing sleep, to be fatigued all the time. I get it, I get it, I get it. And everybody, I think, has developed some sense. I, I was broke for a lot longer than I've been wealthy, just to give you an idea. So I still feel a deep internal sense of being the guy that has to struggle for everything.

• 35:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, so I very much know what that's like. I very much know what it's like not to be able to pay all your bills. I get it. Uh, but nonetheless, you've got to carve out time where you're spending some of that time getting better, even if it's in your job. So it's like, okay, uh, if I'm at my job, I wanna find the person who's the best at the thing that I'm doing. And I want to uh, see if I can shadow them, find some way to be on a project with them, whatever. Within the context of, I need to get paid while I'm doing this thing. Perfectly, I get that. You're gonna have to make that trade off. But you have to find a way to upregulate your skillset. Then, once you've upregulated your skillset, you have to learn how to package it so that you can convince either the current place you work or somewhere else, that you're worth that additional money. And then you just work the game like that, constantly upregulating your skills.

• 36:32Tom Bilyeu?

  And by the way, this is what I did when I just did not know anything about business, but I wanted to keep moving up in the organization. I would take the shit jobs. Whatever nobody wanted to do, I did that thing. Uh, I would volunteer. Who wants to come in on a Sunday? I do. Uh, who wants to stay late? I do. I remember there was one time my allergies, I could not afford uh, insurance, and this is before Obamacare or anything like that. Couldn't afford insurance. I developed allergies. For a year, I sounded like I had the worst head cold you can imagine. I couldn't like hardly breathe. And they said, we need somebody to come and watch over the construction crew. And I was like, cool, I'll do it. My nose was bleeding. It was just like an absolute mess. But I did everything I could to be the

• 37:15Tom Bilyeu?

  one that they thought of whenever a good opportunity came along, because I was the guy that did all the things that nobody else wanted to do. That's shockingly effective. So upregulate the skill set. Now, on the other side of things, in terms of how we should all be thinking about policy, so nobody else ends up there again, we've got to make sure that loans for college are dischargeable in bankruptcy. You should be able to declare bankruptcy and get out from under that debt. Because I'd much rather see you in a position where for seven years you have bad credit, than to see you forever trapped underneath, you know, whatever, like $100,000 of debt. Imagine if you racked up $250,000 in debt going to school, and you realize I'm never going to be able to pay this off. You take your seven year hit, and it goes to zero overnight.

• 37:59Tom Bilyeu?

  First of all, they get very sober, very quickly about who they give loans to, which I think would be better. I think that would be a way better world. And then you'd be able to get out from under it. I think it is literally criminal that we have allowed the government to do that. That one is so gross. I don't think future generations are going to forgive us for that one. That one's bad. Bad, bad.

• 38:17Speaker 02

  In response to this, Mountain Man said, people don't want to hear that, Tom. They shut down as soon as you tell them the truth is that it's all on them.

• 38:23Tom Bilyeu?

  I get it. And if you want to be in great shape, you got to go in the gym and not eat a whole bunch of things that sound really good. But it just is true. So here's the thing. I promised myself a long time ago that I was only going to say things that I believed. And if it means that I can't ever get out of being a niche content creator, it is what it is. The name of the game is self-respect. So you'll never be able to say that I lied to you, Jack.

• 38:48Speaker 01

  Wasn't there that stat that there's more people with six pack abs than there are millionaires?

• 38:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Is that true?

• 38:55Speaker 01

  Or no, the other way is if there's more.

• 38:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Probably the other way.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  There's more millionaires than people with six pack.

• 38:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, bro, it's way harder for me to get six pack abs than it was to get rich. That's terrible, but true.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  Even, yeah, so even people who, you know, it's just like if you are a big person and you want to get abs is that uncomfortable, significant change of lifestyle.

• 39:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, and by the way, anybody can get abs. Anybody that tells you you can't, they are lying. Now, it's going to be harder for some people than it is for others. Just is, but hey.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  So is getting rich.

• 39:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, also true, also true, but getting your body into the right position, you can control entirely because getting in shape is largely a game of what you don't eat. So getting rich involves a certain amount of timing. I wish that wasn't so, but there are plenty of people that have the intelligence to do it. They just don't have the right timing. Uh, so, yeah, but your body, you can control that literally from top to bottom. Even bad genetics, again, it might be harder for you, but you can do it. You might not want to, and fair enough, I don't walk around with six pack abs anymore. That shit took so much time and attention. Oh, my God. Uh, my wife pulled me aside and said, you no longer have a personality. And I was like, but I have abs.

• 40:09Tom Bilyeu?

  It's like when your abs are your entire personality is like, that's a problem. I was just so hungry and so tired all the time.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Everybody do your research. The, I don't know if these are scammers in the bots in the, in the chat. Now, everybody's talking about how they make a bunch of money by this trading options and stuff.

• 40:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, God, as soon as people start saying that, bot.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, please, please don't click the link or nothing, not investment advice. Tom is never going to send you a WhatsApp number. He's never going to try to slide into your DMs, none of those things, so.

• 40:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Facts.

• 40:37Speaker 01

  Please cry foul.

• 40:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Facts.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  We're back, we're back on AI. Um, Samsung just announced as the new exclusive chip partner with Elon Musk. Samsung.

• 40:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Hold on, hold on, sorry, I gotta address Papa One. Uh, I think it's criminal that they don't allow you to discharge it in bankruptcy. Bankruptcy is the punishment. It's not like you get off scot free. You spend almost a decade with terrible credit. You are going to be in a deep, dark hole for a very long time. But if you don't allow people to discharge debt, now you're back in serfdom. This is exactly why we have these bankruptcy laws. I don't want to put people in a position where they take on a bunch of debt only to be like, oh, fuck it. What will end up happening when you can discharge it and the government doesn't back you up and say, don't worry, we'll bail you out. Now all of a sudden, banks get very responsible. When the taxpayers aren't going to cover it, they start going, who's actually worth the risk? And what do you mean you want to do like gender studies? You're never going to be able to make $200,000 off that. So I'm not going to let you take $200,000 in debt on that.

• 41:32Tom Bilyeu?

  So you start going, yeah, that one you can make back 15 grand. So cool, you can take 15 grand. So all of a sudden, schools realize people are only going to be able to take so much out in debt for this major. So this major, we got to be tight on all the different administrators that we let come around. It just ends up bringing this fiscal responsibility to the system. This is why capitalism works. When you create the distortions by bailing out banks and things like that, they just start doing riskier and riskier, more unhinged stuff and the people that have to pick up the tab with the taxpayers. So I'm just saying, you want to make it so that the companies that gave the money are on the hook. And now the bank is like, oh damn, no one's going to bail me out, then I can't give this loan. So right now, remember taxpayers are saying, if that person can't pay the loan, don't worry, we got you.

• 42:17Tom Bilyeu?

  The bank. So now you're bailing out banks. Now you're giving, this is actually true, hundreds of millions, and in some cases billions of dollars to the very people that create the problem. And by the way, they knowingly did this because they know you're going to bail them out. Read The Creature from Jekyll Island. It talks all about bailouts are the point. That's why you move to a fiat money system so that you can just bail out, bail out, bail out by stealing via inflation. I still can't believe that people think that that's crazy. The number one app on the app store was the TF. This is wild, dude. Women would be in a better position to try to isolate a guy so they can get him for themselves. And once you understand, this is how women have learned to move on evolutionary time

• 43:01Tom Bilyeu?

  scales in a society by playing these games. So there have been studies done, women who find other women to be a threat to them sexually will try to convince that woman to cut her hair short. So with that for a minute. So she is doing things that she knows lowers your sexual market value, all the while being like, yeah, Yas queen, you look awesome. So. Just so that way I can have a better chance at getting the partner I want. So, look, dude, whenever, if you look at men and say, all men are evil, that's, that's very stupid. Life will be very confusing. If you look at women and go, women are all good, that's stupid. Life will be very confusing. You have to understand the ways in which men are violent and horrible,

• 43:44Tom Bilyeu?

  and you have to understand the ways in which women are violent and horrible. And then go, okay, cool, I get it. We're evolutionary creatures. So the instant somebody does red flaggy thing, I'm not gonna freak out. I'm gonna be like, okay, we all have red flags. There are gonna be hard lines. Like, if you get a sense of you lack safety, get out immediately. Thousand percent. Do whatever you need to, to get safe immediately.

• 44:11Tom Bilyeu?

  However, they're gonna, guys aren't, uh, women. They process the world differently than you. They act differently than you. They think differently than you. And if you want a man, you have to understand, oh, they're gonna be like that. If you want to be, if you're a guy and you wanna be with a woman, you have to understand, they're gonna parse the world differently than you. The most frustrating period of my marriage was when I expected my wife to act like me. And I didn't realize, oh, wait, she actually sees the world differently. That's why she's making different choices. She doesn't see the world the way that I see the world, and is making a different choice. She sees the world differently and makes a choice that's in alignment with that. Then all of a sudden, I was like, oh, I need to learn about how women think. And obviously, they're not all gonna be the same. I understand that.

• 44:53Tom Bilyeu?

  But like, women have a nature. Once you understand their nature, then it's like, oh, my wife will deviate from this, but only so far. And now I have a much better understanding of how she's processing the world. So I'm not making just dumb rookie mistakes. So, anyway, seeing my wife as an adversary would be a huge mistake. I see her as a partner who should not, who is more valuable to the partnership because she thinks differently than she would be if we thought the same. We need to have the same core values. That's very important. And we spend a lot of time making sure that, first of all, that we started with roughly very similar core values. And over time, we've shaped each other to make sure that we share core values moving into the future. But, yeah, seeing each other as the enemy is wacky.

• 45:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, Vero Smitty responded back to me because she said, honestly, I'm over it. I was like, are you over the T app or you're over men? She said, men and dating, too many games and unspoken rules. I never used that app, not interested in dating. So a lot of people are just kind of opting out.

• 45:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Look, they're, they're in a rough spot. This is a weird time and just like I would say to somebody, uh, yeah, right now trying to, if you're poor and you're trying to get into the upper class, it's a harder game than it would have been in the eighties. You can still do it. And yes, you want to put some energy into getting rid of the inequality, but you also want to put energy into going, how do I win at the game right now today? So, one, if I were trying to meet somebody right now today, I wouldn't even try apps. I wouldn't have an account. I would just be meeting people in real life and I would figure out when and where are people going to be? Where there's some cue that they share my interests, where they can pick up on my vibe,

• 46:34Tom Bilyeu?

  that I have a chance to um, be me at my best. So talking about, you know, something where I can shine, probably not going to be at a sporting event. I don't know anything about sports, so I'm going to meet them somewhere else. It's going to be social. It's gonna, I'm gonna try to find something where uh, I'm gonna have an opportunity to shine. And so finding that, finding an opportunity where you're forced together, where you're forced to meet other people, where there's high turnover, that's going to be very useful. But there's enough consistency that you'll see some of the same people week after week, but it's not a closed barrel of fish. And just looking for that kind of stuff. Yeah, like even uh, what's his face? Andrew Tate has the promise of you're going to be a better man.

• 47:18Tom Bilyeu?

  You're going to be stronger, you're going to be rich, you're gonna uh, have 10 women want to marry you. Like that's the real promise. It's not just the bitterness. Bitterness is a, a nice side dish, but it's not the main course. But it is wild to see how many people are bitter and adversarial now.

• 47:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:35Tom Bilyeu?

  That's real.

• 47:35Speaker 01

  And then, and then.

• 47:38Speaker 01

  I'm gonna get lit up in the chat. Lisa, help me.

• 47:41Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't think she's there anymore.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  How, how do we deal with the accountability of relationships? I think men, to your point earlier, they got, they hear their stories. I would much rather be in a, with a bear than be with a man. Like, men are safe, they have a history of being abusive, patriarchy, da, da, da, da, da. Like, men have gotten dragged through the mud. However, the accountability for women's role in the manipulation of the dating market currently doesn't seem to get addressed or brought to light or anything like that.

• 48:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, that's, I mean, people try, they do it from a place of bitterness, they do it from a place of I don't want it to be this way. But if instead you look at it and go, okay, wait a second, evolution had, had to have a strategy. Women can barely stand upright, I'm not kidding, if their hips got any wider, they would not be able to stand up.

• 48:39Tom Bilyeu?

  So, evolution was like, I really want you to make this baby smart as hell, so I'm gonna make its head big. I'm gonna make it as big as I can make it, to where you wouldn't be able to stand up anymore if we keep going wider. Then, I'm gonna saddle you with it and make you like, essentially gestate it externally for like, 20 years. And so, we have this really fascinating strategy of not having the kid be hardwired with everything. You come out, you have to teach, you have to take care of it, I mean, literally for years, for years, it can't eat on its own. So, now it's like, okay, shit, well, how do I adapt that woman to be able to do all of that stuff?

• 49:22Tom Bilyeu?

  And so, they get all kinds of tricks and things that men are just terrible at. So, 15% of women have a fourth photoreceptor, so they're actually able to see colors that men can't see. So, if you've ever wondered why a woman can tell, like, oh, those colors don't match, and you're looking at it like, what are you talking about? It's like, their ability to read, like, changes in the color of a baby's face, extreme. The fact that they can sense the change in a baby's mood, they can produce milk, they can actually gestate a child, I mean, just like, all this incredible, magical stuff that we used to be like, women are the representation of mystery because they can do this thing that is so incredible and so like, like magic, I mean, it's like, Let me be crass for a minute if there are any kids here.

• 50:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, as a guy, you're like, I come inside a woman. And she makes a fucking baby. Like, dude, that's wild. The woman could give you an egg as the guy and you'd be like, ah, I will, I will. Like, what do I do with it? You, you can't do anything with it. So it is absolutely phenomenally magical. But the flip side of that coin is they're not as big. They're not as strong. They have a totally different kind of ambition. Like, they are wired to focus on the individual. They don't have the sense of spatial relations. Like, they're just wired to be optimized to make sure that that child is raised, raised well, survives. And so then, women had to be like, okay, well, then I'm gonna need a partner in this.

• 50:52Tom Bilyeu?

  And so they became the sexual gatekeepers because pregnancy is so expensive for a woman and so inexpensive for a man. And men are basically the answer to the question of what do women need as the sexual gatekeepers? They have literally shaped us over, you know, God knows how many hundreds of thousands of years.

• 51:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Into the thing that would ensure that they have strong children that have children. And so they bred men to have stronger upper bodies, to be bigger, to be hyper ambitious, to be effectively disposable so that they will charge towards danger, have this sense of like huge emotional rewards for being a protector, that spatial relations so they can go on the hunt. Like, all of those things. And so, women, given that they can be predated by men, have to have a strategy to fight against that. So one of the strategies is to convince the men in your family to fight for you.

• 51:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Another strategy is to work with other women through men. One, one of the, the most fascinating stories, the IRA.

• 52:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Irish terrorist group. They could not infiltrate it. You know why they couldn't infiltrate it?

• 52:10Speaker 01

  Why?

• 52:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Because information was only passed woman to woman.

• 52:16Tom Bilyeu?

  And because the women controlled, this is where we're gonna meet, at what time? The women instantly knew, I don't know that bitch. I'm not telling her shit. She's gonna have to earn her way in. Guys were like, oh yeah, word, Timmy's here to help fight. Okay, cool, we're gonna meet here at this time at this place. And then Timmy was a fucking spy. And so Timmy went back and told everybody. But women don't play that game. Women are all about relationships. And they know if somebody's being sus, like they sus it out immediately. They're constantly, as you said, gossiping, like they're trying to figure it out. So women develop this other strategy of surviving in an extremely dangerous world. And so anybody that one looks at that and is like, this bitch, she's so manipulative.

• 52:57Tom Bilyeu?

  It's like, bro, that was the survival mechanism that she's developed. It's fine tuned. Figure out a way to use that in your life. So if my wife pulls me aside and is like, yo, that guy's sus in business. I'm like, shit, he really might be sus. So I'm like, yeah, she sees things that I don't. If Lisa pulls me aside and is like, that person, like, they're terrible at their job. I'm like, oh, I need to think about that. Cause I'm often blind to it much longer than she is. So anyway, that you, you want to understand from an evolutionary perspective, how did they end up the way that they are instead of seeing them as your adversary?

• 53:31Speaker 02

  Truth, Devin, really liked your take on this, but had one thing to add, which is, Tom, the issue that most men is that most men want beautiful women. And the most beautiful women just want the most successful men like you. Honestly speaking, and most men can't get successful enough to get them.

• 53:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, welcome to life. You're mad at God. You're mad at God. I don't know why people get mad at that. So remember, I've been broke far longer than I've been wealthy. And when I would look out at the sea of women, I would just write off a huge swath of them and just be like, that chick's too hot for me. Okay, it is what it is. Like, listen, when Lisa and I got together, I was like, I am so into this chick. And I said to her, trust me, I'm never gonna be looking over your shoulder for a more attractive woman. Cause I believed even then that I was going to be rich one day. I'm like, I'm going to be successful. I'm never gonna quote unquote, upgrade you for a different model. Like, that's not what this is. This is about sharing a life with somebody.

• 54:31Tom Bilyeu?

  So it's not like, oh, I, there aren't women more attractive than my wife. There are. So you go for people that are in your sexual market and you share a life with them. And you say, I get that I can't get every woman. I want someone that I can connect with, relate to, fall in love with, be made better by, which is something we've completely lost in culture. Women should want to make their man better. Women should help their man get better. Men should not feel threatened by that.

• 55:02Tom Bilyeu?

  But yeah, like all this stuff, like people have just gotten crazy. Not everybody's for you. Like your looks are going to determine a huge part of who's attracted to you. You've just got to accept it. Find somebody in your intellectual range. That's very important. Find somebody you're attracted to. That's very important. Find somebody that has a growth mindset. That's hugely important. And find somebody that takes care of their body. These are important. Having a model, from my experience, just isn't important. So anyway, I have thanked Lisa many times publicly and privately. I am so grateful that she takes care of herself and I think she is beautiful. And I think she is hot still to this day. But she's worked at it and I'm grateful for that. But I don't think either of us are delusional.

• 55:45Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't think I'm the best looking guy that's ever walked the face of the earth. I think that's pretty self evident. And nonetheless, my wife at least makes me believe that she loves me and is into me. And I certainly love her and I'm into her. But you have to understand the game.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  I remember you told me something, well, I was telling one of my streets as trash stories. And you were like, well, you know, she gave her, she showed you the red flag and that's a good for you. You just, you avoided one. And a lot of times I think people dating, when things don't work out, they're like, oh, this is why dating is terrible. They internalize it as opposed to like a salesman, you know, it takes a hundred no's to get to the one yes. And that one yes could change everything. In this sense, I feel like nowadays, the rejection that happens in dating, maybe it's just at a greater scale, maybe with social media. I think I'm a ten, but my social life is a six. And now I feel like I'm living distal. Like, I don't know where the warp in our perception is. But it does feel like rejection hurts harder now. People are then less likely to get out there.

• 56:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Ready for the really bad news? It's because women make a ton of money. They're very good being in the workforce. They only date over and up.

• 56:54Tom Bilyeu?

  And

• 56:57Tom Bilyeu?

  they have a global audience. I remember the first time talking to somebody who I will forever let remain nameless. And he was the kind of guy that would find the tens to like, hey, my boy is flying to Saint Lucia for a big party. And you're beautiful. You should meet him. And he would just fly these girls out. And I was just like, whoa, I can't believe that's real. But that's real. And

• 57:26Tom Bilyeu?

  all of this, like, you can access any man, anywhere. You can make your own money. You don't have the hardship that drives you together. You don't have the sense of like, one, I'm going to be a mother. Not being a mother is an option. I'm going to be a mother. That is the most profound thing that I could do in life. Okay, for millennia. There was no pill. So you're either going to be celibate or you're going to be a mother. So I'm going to be a mother. So now I've got to strategize differently. I've got to find a man that's going to be a good man. It's going to take care of me. That's invested. It's going to make my kids dope. So it's like, can that guy provide? And by the way, you only saw the dudes in your village.

• 58:10Tom Bilyeu?

  So now it's like, if you're playing, like, there's a study that you do where you give everybody, however many people in the room, 20 people, let's say. And you're all given a card randomly from a 52 card deck. You put it on your head. You can't see yours, but you can see everybody else's and everybody else can see yours. And your job is to get the highest card to stick with you as possible. And so if you've got a two and you go up to someone who's got a king, it's like they're gonna be like nah, and they'll just move on. And so now you're like, okay, I'm lower than a king. He dismissed me really fast, so I must be a lot lower than a king. And so you just settle out. That was village life. There were only so many people you were gonna meet. You knew it was either celibacy or somebody.

• 58:53Speaker 01

  That's a very good analogy.

• 58:54Tom Bilyeu?

  And so now all of a sudden, you found the person that was like in your sexual market value that you like could actually be into. And we don't have any of that anymore. We have a global audience, but people have been trained that there's always another fish in the sea. I don't need no man. I can make my own money. And by the way, women are sharp. So now it's like, uh, I'm actually outperforming these bozos at my job. Because the work world's made for people with my temperament. Sit down, do a thing, be relational, connect with other people, figure out where you are in the hierarchy, do a little poisoning over here, build a relationship over there. They're fucking built for that shit. So it's like they're having a good time. Now guys are like, well, hold on a second. I'm not making as much money as you.

• 59:39Tom Bilyeu?

  And you only date guys that are making as much or more than you. I'm also maybe on a look scale of six and you're a seven. I could have made up for it if I was an eight and you were a five in finances. But now I'm a click below you in finances and a click below you in looks. Uh oh, like I just can't make this work. And then the whole dating app of it all. And women are waiting and waiting and waiting because they can just be on birth control forever. So they're not even trying to find a guy that's in their thirties. It's like, it really is set up for disaster. But again, this is where I'm like, hey, don't confuse is for ot. This is how the world is. By all means, put the word out. People should stop doing that.

• 1:00:21Tom Bilyeu?

  They should meet in public, all that stuff, that they need a value system that they can articulate, blah, blah, blah. But the world is the way that it is. So now that we know that, how are we gonna deal with it? People don't. They just get mad. And it's like, I, I don't understand when people don't step back and go, I don't like the way the world is, but it is knowable. This is a winnable game. I'm gonna figure this out. I'm gonna go back in and solve for this. It's, it doesn't violate the laws of physics. And then, by the way, Drew, so, uh, people, I, I think people will believe me when I say, I was not good with women. I'll give a couple of quick things and they will see how not good with women I was.

• 1:01:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, I had a girl invite me to watch a porn with her, which I did, and I didn't make a move because I didn't know that was a cue. So we watched an entire porn film down to the credits and I didn't try to hold her hand, nothing. Uh, I once got to second base and missed out.

• 1:01:21Speaker 01

  Second base is like?

• 1:01:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Yup. And, uh, still managed to flub that. So when I say that like I was unbelievably bad with women, but I was like, okay, if I can understand what's happening, if I accept I'm doing something wrong, there's something I don't understand, then I can figure this out. So easier time, there's no doubt, not asking anybody to believe that I had to go through all of that also, while being in the worst setup of all time. But there are rules to the way that things work. And if you map cause and effect, your life will be better. Yeah, sorry Frodo, that one. Unfortunately, no one is going to be impressed, uh, with my early days. I was terrible.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  Uh, you know, maybe we went all the way the other, you might get bonus points for that nowadays. Like, well, we watched the whole movie, he didn't even touch me.

• 1:02:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, but, oh, maybe. But here's the thing, I finally had to figure out what the rules of the game are. And when I heard for like the 30th time, you just need to be an asshole. I was like, okay, I know that isn't what people mean, but there's something there and that's why that stereotype exists. So what do they mean? And I was like, oh, they mean confidence. And so I just said, from now on, I'm going to be aggressively myself and I'm always going to be willing to walk away. And Drew, when I say from a Monday to Tuesday, I couldn't get laid to I could get laid with people in my sexual market value, but I could get laid, not at will, but distressingly close.

• 1:02:48Tom Bilyeu?

  I was like, whoa, like that is hysterical that it's that straightforward. Now, the rules of the game have changed and all that stuff, but it's not an unrecognizable game as far as I can tell.

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  I mean, I think what jumped off the plate that people miss is like, it's a global game, but you can use that in your favor as well, where yes, the billionaire in Abu Dhabi can fly your girl out from the community. But there's a bunch of single women in the South of America that are just chilling and they don't want to deal with a dude who has a pickup truck. You go over there and clean up, bro. Like there's, there's plenty of other pockets, you know? Everybody wants to move to downtown LA and be like, how come I'm not married tomorrow? And it's like, well, this is an oversaturated market, but there are other markets that probably work better in your favor. So.

• 1:03:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep. Also, it's you that has the friend that's short, right? He just cleans up. So it's like, if you make women feel some kind of way, like they feel good about themselves when they're around you, they're fun, they're having a good time. It just doesn't matter. But have you put any time and energy into figuring out, how do I make a woman feel good? Sincerely, I'm not going to fake it. Yeah. People aren't here to map the game, man. They want it to be a certain way. It isn't that way and they get mad. All right, everybody. It is that time. Thank you guys so much for joining us. If you are getting any value out of this content, please make sure that you subscribe and tell somebody, tell somebody, tell somebody. We want to grow this channel. All right, everybody be legendary. Take care. Peace. Let's talk about a pattern that is guaranteed to be killing your progress.

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