A practical guide to taking control of your life | TED Talks Daily

The real lever of a meaningful life isn’t intelligence or hustle — it’s personal agency, says Cate Hall, former Supreme Court attorney and once the world’s top-ranked female poker player. Sharing her journey from the throes of addiction to leading a multibillion-dollar foundation, Hall shares tactical wisdom for increasing your ability to see and act on life's hidden degrees of freedom, showing how even the most trapped among us can discover a path to fulfillment. For the full text transcript, visit go.ted.com/BHTranscripts https://go.ted.com/BHTranscripts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:31Chris Duffy?

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• 1:17Chris Duffy?

  Hey, everyone. This week, we are sharing an episode from TED Talks Daily. This episode features former Supreme Court attorney Kate Hall. And TED Talks Daily shares thought-provoking ideas from the world's leading thinkers across all disciplines. So if you enjoy this episode, which I know you're going to, and you want to further expand your horizons with new ideas every day, I cannot recommend more strongly that you check out more episodes of TED Talks Daily wherever you get your podcasts. And now, on to the talk.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  You're listening to TED Talks Daily, where we bring you new ideas to spark your curiosity every day. I'm your host, Elise Hu. What do desperation and freedom have in common? In this deeply personal talk, entrepreneur Kate Hall shares her own journey from her battle with addiction to CEO, and how the gift of desperation, as she calls it, led her to finding once inconceivable kinds of freedom and purpose in her life. She reminds us, no matter what you're struggling with, if you can learn to locate the hidden doors within, you can unlock incredible happiness and freedom.

• 2:30Speaker 03

  Five years ago, I was a prisoner in my own life. I was hopelessly addicted to drugs. Every morning, I would get up, go buy drugs, and then spend the rest of the day using, barely conscious, until I passed out again at the end of the night. I spent months at a time like that. I don't have a lot of memories from that time, but one thing I do remember very clearly is this incredible sense of awe and resentment I felt, just watching normal people do normal things. I would see somebody meeting a friend for lunch, and it would seem inconceivable to

• 3:13Speaker 03

  me that anybody could be that free, that they could just decide what to do with an afternoon. This talk isn't about addiction, per se, but I'm telling you this because I really need you to understand where I'm coming from, how trapped I was, before I tell you that my life is amazing now. I'm clean, first and foremost. I'm married to an incredible man, and we get to do all sorts of fun projects together. And I'm CEO of Astera Institute, a multi-billion-dollar private foundation that's pioneering

• 3:53Speaker 03

  a new approach to supporting innovative science and technology. What I do want to talk about today is how I got from point A to point B. What changed? It's not that I got smarter, or that I started trying harder. I think what changed was even more fundamental. It was developing a sense of personal agency, which I think about as the capacity to both see and act on all of the degrees of freedom we actually have.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  It's about being able to find the hidden doors in the walls of life.

• 4:32Speaker 03

  I want to argue that when it comes to living a satisfying and meaningful life, agency is actually much more important than the things we usually think about as critical to success, like intelligence and hard work, both of which are next to useless if misapplied and which are becoming less and less important as we increasingly outsource them to machines. I saw a quote recently from Gary Tan, the CEO of Y Combinator, that I really liked. He said, "Intelligence is on top now, so agency is even more important."

• 5:04Speaker 03

  For all of the freedom that addiction took from me, I think it actually gave me an unnatural advantage when it came to cultivating agency. And that's because, while agency has many mothers, one of them is certainly desperation. Addicts call this the gift of desperation, actually, the willingness to do whatever it takes to change your life, to embarrass yourself by standing up in front of a room full of strangers and say, "My name is Kate and I'm a drug addict", or to lock yourself away for months, or to take medications that will put you in the ER if you drink.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  By the time I went to rehab, I definitely had the gift of desperation. I'd lost my job, most of my friends. For a time, I'd basically lost the ability to walk. And so when I left, I walked into a halfway house and a complete mess of a life. But in a way, I think that was actually good

• 6:08Speaker 03

  because I felt like I had nothing left to lose and that made me fearless and hungry. I started saying yes to everything, every connection someone was willing to make in hopes it might lead to something that would help me get back on my feet. I remember just going for volume. It didn't matter if I could tell how something would benefit me. That's how I ended up meeting most of the people I've worked with in the last four years. Losing my sense of pride also helped me learn really fast. I had brain damage, which meant that I didn't always understand things. And I couldn't pretend that I did either. So I got good at saying, "I don't understand what you just said. Can you explain it to me?"

• 6:51Speaker 03

  In situations where before, I might have just nodded along. Side note, people love to explain things. It's a total win-win. Now, I have great news, which is that you don't need to ruin your life and then rebuild it in order to learn to be more agentic. I do think it helps to be some kind of desperate, but there's always something to be desperate for. I felt that during COVID, as friends and I watched low-income countries struggle with vaccinations because they lacked adequate cold-chain storage. So we created a company that created a shelf-stable vaccine, and we let that desperation drive us into clinical trials in under six months, faster than any startup in history.

• 7:36Speaker 03

  I felt another kind of desperation early on in my marriage, when it seemed like there was an invisible wall between the two of us. So, in desperation, I learned how to resolve the emotional barriers that made it difficult for me to connect with people. I don't think agency is innate, but I do think most people learn it through sheer luck. If it's not the luck of desperation, then maybe it's just the luck of seeing somebody highly agentic operating up close. I also think, though, that it can be learned systematically and by many more people.

• 8:17Speaker 03

  I want to share some of the tactics I've learned for becoming more agentic. First, assume everything is learnable. I gave the example of learning to connect with my husband, but I could have just as easily spoken from personal experience about learning to be more optimistic or curious. I think most traits that people treat as fixed are actually quite learnable, if you both believe that they are and put the same kind of effort into learning them that you would anything else.

• 8:49Speaker 03

  Second, court rejection. We spend our lives carefully avoiding it, but if you're only aiming for things you get, you're doing yourself a disservice. In fact, sometimes you have to aim for things that feel unreasonable to make sure your instinct about what's reasonable is right. Last time I was applying for a job, I told a couple people, "I'm thinking about starting an organization much like your own. Can I run yours instead?" A little delusional, maybe, but the thing is, sometimes delusional works. Third, seek real feedback. Pretty much every one of us has something holding us back that we're completely blind

• 9:32Speaker 03

  to, and that's obvious to other people. Don't you want to know what that is? The single best way to find out is to give people a way to tell you anonymously. I know that might sound scary. It was to me at first, but it can also be exhilarating. I have an anonymous feedback box linked to my Twitter profile, and it has honestly been life-changing, not just in terms of the specific feedback I've gotten, but in knowing that I'm not trying to hide things from myself anymore. If I could go back in time, five years, and talk to the person that I was then, and tell

• 10:15Speaker 03

  her that I would one day experience that kind of freedom, to not have to hide things, to do whatever I feel like with my afternoons, to be basically happy, I would not have believed it. But that is the power of personal agency. No matter how stuck you are, if you can learn to locate the doors hidden within you, you can unlock inconceivable kinds of freedom. Thank you.

• 11:04Speaker 02

  That was Kate Hall speaking at TED 2025. If you're curious about TED's curation, find out more at ted.com/curationguidelines. And that's it for today's show. TED Talks Daily is part of the TED Audio Collective. This episode was produced and edited by our team, Martha Estefanos, Oliver Friedman, Brian Greene, Lucy Little, Alejandra Salazar, and Tonsika Sarmarnevon. It was mixed by Chris Ferfazi-Bogan. Additional support from Emma Tobner and Daniela Balarezzo. I'm Elise Hu. I'll be back tomorrow with a fresh idea for your feed. Thanks for listening.

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• 13:09Chris Duffy?

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• 13:21Chris Duffy?

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