198. Reddit Scary Stories: Terrifying Ring Camera Footage, a Crawling Stalker, and Other Mommy (feat. Sylas Dean)

Open your SoFi Checking & Savings account today - head to https://sofi.com/HeartStarts to get started. A newlywed couple buys a house that’s way too cheap, only to later find out about the dark murderous curse that they inherited with it. A teenager working the late shift at a run-down movie theater falls asleep past closing and wakes up to someone sitting alone in the dark, facing a blank screen. Today, we have Sylas Dean with us as we try to scare each other with our best Reddit story finds for spooky season, and Sylas shares a campfire story like I’ve never heard before! You can Find Sylas Here! Socials: https://www.instagram.com/sylasdean/?hl=en & https://www.tiktok.com/@creeptime?lang=en https://www.tiktok.com/@creeptime?lang=en The Sinister Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/2TPaYb8hS9StH8hokGFvud http://open.spotify.com/show/2TPaYb8hS9StH8hokGFvud https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-sinister/id1701665672 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-sinister/id1701665672 Love true crime, horror, folklore, and the unexplained? Join us in the Rogue Detecting Society on Patreon. Start for free to stay up to date on all things HSP with our newsletter, bonus content, and more. If you want to dive deeper into a community of fellow darkly curious listeners, upgrade for ad-free listening, monthly bonus episodes with topics voted on by members, merch perks, and Patreon-only group chats. High Council members also get Footnotes, our weekly after-show where Kaelyn dives deeper into the episode, recent true crime news, theories, and other scary stories from around the internet. Join free or go paid: https://www.patreon.com/heartstartspounding

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• 0:00Kaelyn Moore?

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• 1:28Kaelyn Moore?

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• 2:11Kaelyn Moore?

  to read you some very scary stories for Halloween. Per usual, Silas brought me some stories that made me want to absolutely crawl out of my skin. And I'm glad that you're all going to share in the terror with me. But before we dive in, I just wanted to say a very big thank you to everyone who's been watching my podcast, Last Trace on Netflix. It's officially been out for a month and I just really do appreciate the love that you've all been sending me. It's really amazing to do deep dives on cases on a platform like Netflix. And you can join me there every Monday as we go through the last few scraps that people leave behind. A grainy CCTV recording, strange text messages, a phone call that makes no sense. Last week, we covered a case that I've been following for a long time. It's the story of Michaela Bali.

• 2:56Kaelyn Moore?

  She's a 16-year-old girl who was last seen on CCTV talking to someone on the phone for hours before she vanished. She was known to talk to strangers online and police, still to this day, do not know who she was talking to. It is an incredibly haunting case and you can watch it exclusively on Netflix. Also, if you want more Heart Starts Pounding, specifically more scares this spooky season, this month's bonus episode on Patreon and Apple Podcast subscriptions was terrifying trucker encounters. Think ghosts on the side of the road, let's not meet stories all told from truckers themselves. You can hear the episode streaming now on both those places, Patreon and Apple Podcast subscriptions. And with that, let's dive straight into these scary stories.

• 3:40Kaelyn Moore?

  Today, I have some of the scariest, true terrifying stories that we were able to find. And joining me, I have Sylas Dean. And welcome back to the show, Silas.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  I'm so happy to be here.

• 3:50Kaelyn Moore?

  I'm so happy.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  You kept me waiting for quite a long time in that lobby, as you can see.

• 3:54Kaelyn Moore?

  Years, you aged 60 years.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  It's been a while.

• 3:58Kaelyn Moore?

  No, thank you so much for coming back. You, wait, you were just telling me that you went camping.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  I did go camping. Oh, you want the story up front?

• 4:06Kaelyn Moore?

  Well, I want to hear about camping because when you told me you were going camping, I was like, is Silas a camping person?

• 4:11Speaker 01

  I am.

• 4:12Kaelyn Moore?

  You are.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  I am. Are you not? I mean, we talked about this a little bit last time.

• 4:16Kaelyn Moore?

  I haven't camped in a long time. And now that I have a baby, it's going to be probably a minute before I go back.

• 4:21Speaker 01

  Start them young.

• 4:22Kaelyn Moore?

  That's true. That is true. It could be like the perfect time.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  Bring the toddler out, ruin your entire camping.

• 4:26Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, just have a bad time.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  I would say I'm a camping person to an extent where there are certain things that I need while camping. Like I have some friends that I think are real campers where they just want to be out in the middle of nowhere. I grew up doing family campgrounds where you've got access to a bathroom, to running water.

• 4:42Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  A shower.

• 4:43Kaelyn Moore?

  Okay.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  So that's what I'm doing. I do like it, but while, do you want the story now? Cause if I'm gonna go into it.

• 4:48Kaelyn Moore?

  Do you want to hear the story? Silas told me he had a story for me earlier and now I just kind of want to hear it.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  All right, all right, I'm bringing it to you. And I just shared it on the Sinister because I can't shut up about it. I also told it to Stu. This will be the third time I'm telling it, but I think you need to hear it. So when I was camping, we were like sitting around a fire and it was me. I'm gonna omit names for this. It was my friend, his little brother came, who's 24, right? And you know, he's like warming up to us and telling us stuff. And we're sitting by the fire and I have the bright idea. I'm like, does anyone have a ghost story? Does anyone have a spooky story? And his brother was like, oh, you should tell them the story about what just happened to you on this trip. Context, his little brother just did a cross-country bicycle trip from Connecticut to California.

• 5:31Kaelyn Moore?

  Whoa.

• 5:32Speaker 01

  CT to Cali, literally.

• 5:34Kaelyn Moore?

  3,000 miles. That's a lot.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  60 days of pedaling.

• 5:37Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, 60?

• 5:38Speaker 01

  60 days. And he, I literally saw the video where he arrived in Santa Monica on the pier. He went all the way to the pier and that was like his finish line.

• 5:45Kaelyn Moore?

  That's so impressive.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  And I'm like, oh my God, you must've had crazy experiences. And he's like, nervous going into this for how crazy this is? He's like, well, something did happen on the way. And he's like telling me the story. He's like, I was riding through the west. He's like, I had made it all the way to, I think he said New Mexico, a very rural part of New Mexico. And he's like, when you're out that far, there are just long, long stretches of road where like nothing's around you. Like you're not going to find a rest stop, you're not going to find a Walmart. His back tire popped. So his bike is screwed and he's like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. So he just starts hitchhiking. My body, my nervous system, he starts hitchhiking. A guy pulls over and he's like a backwoods, kind of like, he's clearly from these rural parts. And he's like, you need some help.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  And he's like, hey, I know this is like a long shot, but could I maybe pay you to like pick me and my bike up and drive me to Santa Fe? Which is why I think it was in New Mexico. And he's like, I'll pay you. And the guy's like, yeah, let me go, um, swap out for another car, my truck. So he leaves, comes back with the truck, but now he has another guy in the passenger seat. It's an old man, like when I say old, like 50s or 60s, young for me.

• 6:54Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  And this guy, so he gets in, loads his bike in and the old guy has real bad vibes. And he turns around and he turns to him and he goes, you seem nervous. Are you nervous? And this kid's trying to play it cool because he's 24. So he's like, no, man, I'm, I'm cool, I'm good. So then they get back to the other guy's house, the original guy who picked him up because he's gonna like tell his wife, like, by the way, I'm driving this kid to Santa Fe. These are like backwoods, good old boys. So they're like drinking while they're driving. So by the time they get to the house, the wife is like, you are not taking that boy. You're not taking him to Santa Fe. You're drunk as hell. You're gonna stay here. He'll stay the night. So this kid's like, I don't want to cause any trouble. Can I just like camp in your front yard? And the guy's like, yeah, I don't care. But then the older guy who was like, you nervous?

• 7:37Speaker 01

  He goes, you know, I've got a spare room at my place. Why don't you just stay at mine? And this kid's got bad vibes. So he's like, um, you know, I'm really like kind of doing a camping thing. I just kind of want to be outside. But this guy's insistent. So he's like, no, no, no, come over to my place. If you see the room, you don't want it, you can camp in my front yard. So this kid gets pressured. He goes to the guy's house in his car. And by the way, he does not live in a shack. He lives in like a McMansion in the middle of the desert. So like rich guy's got money, walks in. Liminal eerie space of a mansion. Walls are covered in like mounted animal heads. So he's a hunter, obviously.

• 8:16Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  Takes him to the spare bedroom. And then while they're standing there and this kid's like falling silent, the old guy turns to him and he goes, you ever seen the movie Deliverance? Which, do you have a point of reference for that movie?

• 8:30Kaelyn Moore?

  Remind me.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  Because, okay, nobody at the campsite did and this kid did not either. So when he's telling me this at the campsite, I'm like, what? And he goes, yeah, I told him I didn't know the movie. It's like an alien movie or something. And I said, no, no, baby. It's not an alien movie. It's a very graphic movie from the 90s with a very infamous male on male scene. That's where Squeal Piggy Squeal comes from. So when I said, the whole campsite was like, what? What? So then he said, he said, no, I haven't seen Deliverance. And the guy goes, well, tonight's gonna be just like Deliverance.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  And then the kid's like, he's just, he doesn't know what to react. He has no point of reference.

• 9:10Kaelyn Moore?

  Are we getting abducted by aliens? Cause he doesn't know what the point is.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  No point of reference. Then the guy says, how about you watch it with me right now? And this kid, he just gets bad vibes.

• 9:19Kaelyn Moore?

  Jeffrey Dahmer, it's literally like Dahmer.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  I was blowing up at this campsite. I was losing my mind, like shaking like I was in the ward. And then this kid says, you know, um, I appreciate you like offering the room. He's like, but I really am doing like a camping thing. So if it's cool with you, could I just post up in your front yard? This isn't even the crazier part. Can I just post up in your front yard? And the old guy's like, yeah, that's, that's fine. So all night, this kid is sure this guy's gonna come to his tent and like do something to mess with him. So he sleeps with a knife at his chest, can't sleep.

• 9:48Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  The hours are rolling out like around like two, three, four AM. And he's watching through the mesh of the tent to the house. Cause the guy kept the lights on all night and he sees him getting chills stumbling from like room to room. Cause he's getting more and more drunk as the night goes on. Then 5:00 AM comes and that's when the other guy, the original guy who was like, and his wife was like, you're not driving that Kate to Santa Fe. He's supposed to pull up to pick him up. Truck comes soaring up to the property and the guy gets out and he goes, get in now, we're leaving. So the kid grabs, he grabs his like tent, throws it in the back of the truck, gets in. There are like other friends and people in the truck. And then the old guy starts stumbling out from the house to try to get to the truck. Truck speeds off at 60 miles per hour, just leaves him in the dust.

• 10:33Speaker 01

  And the kid is like, what the hell just happened? Like, why are we like frantically like taking off? And then everybody in the truck, their phone starts blowing up, texts, calls. Somebody plays a voicemail. It's the old guy and they play it out loud and this kid hears it. And the old man's like, you promised me, you promised me I was gonna get time with the boy, with the backer boy. And this kid is like, what the fuck? So then he's like, what's going on? And everyone in the truck is like, yeah, that guy, he's really well known in town. He's got a lot of money, but he's a bad dude, like really bad dude. And this kid had no idea that he narrowly escaped whatever was going down there.

• 11:15Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh my God.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  Telling me this, I was like, you've got to be kidding me. You're serving me a story. I'm a podcaster. You're serving me a story to tell to the world on a silver platter. The sinister, I was like bouncing off the wall, shared it.

• 11:30Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  Isn't that wild?

• 11:31Kaelyn Moore?

  That is so horrifying. That's like, it's my biggest fear, but I wonder why the other people let the boy go with.

• 11:38Speaker 01

  I had questions about that too. Cause this kid also, I think, asked, he was like, why did you guys like set me up? Like, why did you let me sleep there? And they, I think that they're afraid of this guy. Because remember the very first guy, he went to get his truck and swap out and came back with the dude. So I'm like, there must be some like weird relational thing where I think maybe he employs people in that area or has like enough money to do stuff.

• 11:59Kaelyn Moore?

  And that was the guy that drove him away was the same guy that picked him up?

• 12:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:03Kaelyn Moore?

  Okay, okay.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, not the old man. But I was like, I was hearing this and then I really killed the vibe when I was like, by the way, everyone, Deliverance, not, not an alien movie. We're not doing Return to Mars. This, this is a very graphic movie about in the backwoods.

• 12:18Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 12:18Speaker 01

  That's a crazy thing to say, know that someone has no point of reference for it and then not to explain it.

• 12:24Kaelyn Moore?

  I know.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  And just say, tonight's gonna be just like that.

• 12:27Kaelyn Moore?

  Wow. Horrifying. Was that kid okay when you were talking to him? Like.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  He seemed great.

• 12:32Kaelyn Moore?

  Okay.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  It's, it takes a special breed to really, if you're listening, please know I admire everything of what you did.

• 12:39Kaelyn Moore?

  Well, you've already set the stage.

• 12:42Speaker 01

  Cause that might be the best story.

• 12:43Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh my gosh, I know. I'm like, do I have anything that's that level? I actually, okay, so I, this is a story that I found on Reddit. It's coming from, let's not meet. And it, I guess really the story that you just told is very, let's not meet-esque, right? It's the.

• 12:59Speaker 01

  Very much.

• 13:00Kaelyn Moore?

  Stranger danger. Okay. So that's what this story is too. And it takes place on Halloween. So I wanted to bring this one to you. So this one that I'm gonna read is from three years ago, user underpants bandit. And it's called the worst Halloween hide and seek ever.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  I'm ready.

• 13:19Kaelyn Moore?

  And it begins, this one has illustrations, unfortunately. So if you're listening to this, I will be posting those on our Instagram. That's at hearts are pounding. My husband Jim and I own an antique business in a big old bizarre barn of a building. Five floors, multiple other tenants, including a restaurant. Halloween was a Monday last year. We locked up the business at 5:00 PM and we went to an early dinner across town. Then we got a call from our security monitoring company at 6:30. A motion was detected on the lower level and then another motion. We left in a tearing hurry, but I figured, oh, it's gotta be a bird or a rat. We don't have rats, but you know, it's something, maybe a cat got in.

• 14:02Kaelyn Moore?

  It was way too early in the night for a break in at 6:30. I went inside the main level upstairs and I disarmed the alarm and I started fumbling noisily with the keys and the big iron gate, one of many that separate the floors at night. Jim checked the perimeter outside for signs of a break in, nothing. Doors and windows intact, definitely absolutely a bird or a rat or a cat. Dusk was now long gone. The shadows had settled in and taken over, just wardrobes loomed in the dark. Wardrobes and nothing more, right? I headed down below to the location of the alarm, trusting that Jim would follow behind. After all, it was just a rat or a bird.

• 14:44Kaelyn Moore?

  I am accustomed to the building after dark, so I just turned on my phone light, not the overheads. And I walked around boldly like I own the place. I looked in the corner with the motion detector, nothing, just the red eye blinking mindlessly at me. No animals, no rats, no cats, no birds. I turned and went the other way while Jim poked around a few aisles over. And there it was. It was what looked like a burglary kit, sitting in the middle of the floor. Bolt cutters, a fire extinguisher, just sitting there waiting. I have a picture of it for you.

• 15:22Speaker 01

  Wait, that I can see?

• 15:22Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. So you can describe what you see.

• 15:24Speaker 01

  Whoa, okay. Now my eyes aren't as good as they used to be, you understand?

• 15:28Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, yes.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  I am seeing a fire. I'm so curious about this fire extinguisher. I'm seeing a bolt cutter. I mean, I would've said those are pliers, but that lets you know my Home Depot knowledge.

• 15:37Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  Wild, amazing. What am I missing?

• 15:40Kaelyn Moore?

  So it's, I think it's just this fire extinguisher. Like maybe they were, they brought it in to break something and cutters. But a fire extinguisher shouldn't be sitting there. So you would think, you, you would like notice that immediately. Like, why are these two things just sitting out in the middle of nowhere?

• 15:56Speaker 01

  It's an odd thing to bring in.

• 15:57Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. Now I've never gotten a bigger case of sheer terror so fast. After all, there was no broken window or door. So whoever was there was still in the basement with me in the dark somewhere. I hissed, Jim, Jim, Jim, please, please, please. But he didn't hear me. I literally couldn't scream, just like in those stupid goddamn dreams. My voice was stuck, just me, the spotlight burglary tools and a hostile presence I could feel lurking in the dusty shadows, watching while I whispered for someone to save me. Finally, a thousand years or maybe 10 seconds later, Jim wondered why I had taken root in the hallway and he came to see what was going on.

• 16:39Kaelyn Moore?

  He saw what I was frozen and pointing at, and he was like, oh God. We bolted out the front door to call 911 and wait. And we abandoned the building to the burglar. An eternal five minutes later, the police showed up and were initially pretty unimpressed with our find of the crowbar and fire extinguisher, until we pulled up the security footage that revealed the actual horror. The face of my new sleep paralysis demon. I'll share with you. This is what they saw.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  Stop, stop.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  You're gonna put this up online?

• 17:12Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 17:13Speaker 01

  Oh my God.

• 17:14Kaelyn Moore?

  I'm gonna put this, so you'll see it on our Instagram. It's also on our YouTube.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  What is it? He's wearing a mask, I'm guessing? Or like, what kind of a.

• 17:20Kaelyn Moore?

  It's gotta be.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  Covering is that, yeah, but like, why that mask?

• 17:23Kaelyn Moore?

  Looks like an Avengers outfit or something like all spandex. Like, does he have stuff on his hands?

• 17:29Speaker 01

  I hate to say, he's a little built.

• 17:31Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. Well, he looks strong. He looked like, those are muscles, those are pecs coming through. Like he looks strong and like, he definitely has something.

• 17:41Speaker 01

  What that would do me in Caitlin, could you imagine seeing that? Do you have a security system? I have one.

• 17:47Kaelyn Moore?

  We do, yeah.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I, I am constantly fearful. I'm gonna see something on like a camera or have you ever heard like, cause I don't know what system you have, but mine have the monitors like on the window. So when the window opens, it goes like, ding, ding.

• 18:00Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  I was in bed one night and heard that.

• 18:03Kaelyn Moore?

  No.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  And I was like, well, it's been a great ride.

• 18:07Kaelyn Moore?

  Was it someone opening your window?

• 18:08Speaker 01

  No, I don't even.

• 18:09Kaelyn Moore?

  It just malfunctioned and went off?

• 18:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I think maybe it could've been windy or something like that. But even so, you wouldn't think that that would happen.

• 18:16Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 18:18Kaelyn Moore?

  So the, the poster goes on to say, this guy, as is obvious, he's built like a lean, mean brick. He crouched on a landing behind a bookcase when we closed and he watched me and my staff lock up. This is what they're seeing on the video. He bided his time and then as calm as could be, he walked out and went to the men's restroom in the hallway downstairs. That area isn't set for motion detect for a variety of reasons. He spent a while in there, moving around with the door open. He constructed the mask using one of ours and a fake flower wreath to hold it on. Purple plastic clematis. He looked right into the camera, bare face, and then put the mask on, stared at it fixedly

• 19:02Kaelyn Moore?

  in his mask for a time, and then finally pulled his gloves on. This is another image that they shared. So that was him before he put the mask on.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  Even that's kinda scary to me.

• 19:13Kaelyn Moore?

  I know.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  It's the blank look in the eyes.

• 19:15Kaelyn Moore?

  He, and he just doesn't care. Like he saw the camera and then put the mask on because he didn't care.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  Oh God.

• 19:21Kaelyn Moore?

  And then they go on to say, he stacked a few solid body vintage suitcases in front of a tall iron gate and he hopped right over like it was nothing. He ran down the hall, which triggered the 6:30 silent alarm and looped the floor. He ran back into the hall, moved a ladder to hop back to the other side of the gate and bizarrely just repeated this whole thing a few times. Then he went into the basement. He wormed over a 15 inch gap over another iron gate and back into the hall again. And then he stared into the camera more. And then he repeated that again. He was moving fast, up, over, back, forth, upstairs, downstairs, parkour style almost. And then he got the tools out and peeled apart one of our steel lock boxes with the crowbar and stole a handful of our keys to access showcases.

• 20:06Kaelyn Moore?

  There's another, so they show, I guess-

• 20:09Speaker 01

  Why? It's so rare I see story submissions that have photos. So this is wild to contextualize it. Whoa.

• 20:15Kaelyn Moore?

  I know all these pictures of like the stuff that he had done of how he broke in. And then they go on to say, "At this point, he heard me fumbling with our gate keys upstairs. He ditched the stolen keys and tools and he hid watching me while he waited in the dark. We exited to call 911 and then he ran back into the basement. In the basement, there's access to a dirt tunnel that circles the perimeter of the building. He broke the door open and entered. Spiders the size of dinner plates live in there. He had no light. It's muddy. It's dark. It is petrifying in there." And then again, they sure didn't, like, this is-

• 20:51Speaker 01

  Oh my god. Sounds really agile.

• 20:55Kaelyn Moore?

  I know. Like the parkour that he's doing. There's a tiny exit hatch and if you walk the whole thing and take multiple turns, it dumps you into the busy kitchen of a restaurant whereupon you would need to stroll past the line cooks out into the restaurant proper, which has cameras. And then one could leave their front door plastered with mud, which does leave tracks. When we found it, there was his clear entrance into the tunnel, but there were no exit tracks. No money footprints, nobody walking out on the restaurant cameras. The cooks noticed nothing. Reviewing the footage, the timing of it all, tracing his path from camera to camera and searching the building, all took hours and by the end, all of us, including the police, were starting to lose our collective cool and freak out.

• 21:39Kaelyn Moore?

  There was no chill. Even the guys with the guns were rattled. After all, where did this guy go? Jim and the two officers had no choice but to walk the dirt tunnel, but there was nothing there, just spiders. Jim got the okay from them to board up both ends of the tunnel, which he did solidly. And thus, the story ends. The pictures got spread widely, but we got no useful leads despite the decent face shot. Did he indeed crawl out of a hatch into the busy kitchen and stroll out past the cooks, leaving no trace of mud? Maybe. We got no suspicious smells coming out of the tunnel in later weeks and months. Nobody has really walked the far side since, though. We only unboarded the tunnel last week for the split water main shenanigans.

• 22:21Kaelyn Moore?

  I have vowed that I will use his skull in this year's Halloween display if he is dead down there.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Oh god.

• 22:27Kaelyn Moore?

  And that's how it ends.

• 22:28Speaker 01

  It's like a real severe turn at the end.

• 22:30Kaelyn Moore?

  That's how it ends.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  Imagine he's just the health inspector. They're really doing a number these days.

• 22:34Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.

• 22:37Kaelyn Moore?

  Where did he go? That's the thing that I don't like is where did he go? Cause was he living there the whole time? I just think about, like, we've covered stories on Heartland pounding, like the Denver Spider-Man where someone was living in your house for years.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Please, I can't, my nervous system can't take stuff like this.

• 22:49Kaelyn Moore?

  Didn't know.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  Crazy you're bringing this up, cause I was, I just did the sinister last night and I was remembering a story when I worked at a restaurant of something, not nearly to this degree, but like, um, do you ever work in a restaurant? And like, you know how dry storage isn't always like on the same floor of the restaurant? It's like in the basement or something?

• 23:05Kaelyn Moore?

  I only did fast food, not like a real restaurant.

• 23:07Speaker 01

  Oh, so you were really in the trenches?

• 23:09Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh yeah, in the trenches.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  You were at the front lines of war?

• 23:12Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  We had, this was a big one in Century City. So like, it was in the mall. So the dry storage was several floors down and it was like very open, like a huge like basement storage level. But there was one hatch in the wall that if you, it was padlocked, but if you opened it, there was extra storage in there. They called it the dungeon. I had never gone in there. And then like to get in, you have to crawl through the hatch, like not crawl, but like step in, cause it doesn't meet the floor. And I went down there one time during a private event with my manager and she can't, cause only managers have the key. And she went to go unlock it and she opened it and I looked in, it's pitch black in there. But if you like, look really far in, you can see like, oh yeah, there's like old like faux plants, like stuff from 10 years ago. And we're like, all right, let's go in and like get the extra chairs.

• 23:54Speaker 01

  And right when we're about to step in, we both heard something in their move.

• 23:58Kaelyn Moore?

  Ugh, yeah.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Like Occam's razor, was it probably an animal, even though there are no windows? Maybe.

• 24:04Kaelyn Moore?

  I don't want to see a rat down there. That's also terrifying.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  It did not sound like a rat. It sounded heavy.

• 24:08Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  It almost sounded like something was shifting in there, but we, we looked at each other and I'm happy she kind of took her manager hat off. And she was like, they can stand.

• 24:16Kaelyn Moore?

  We're not doing it.

• 24:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. How about they stand? She locked that thing so quick. We went right back upstairs.

• 24:21Kaelyn Moore?

  So scary. I mean, I told a story on this show like a long time ago, but I got locked in the back freezer of the fast food restaurant that I worked at.

• 24:29Speaker 01

  Are you kidding?

• 24:30Kaelyn Moore?

  I thought it was gonna die.

• 24:30Speaker 01

  You would have died.

• 24:31Kaelyn Moore?

  This would have, this was probably 2010. So we had cell phones, but not like good cell phones.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  How were you working when you were six years old, Kaelyn?

• 24:41Kaelyn Moore?

  I know, when I was a mere, mere child.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  Child labor.

• 24:44Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes, cause I was born in 2004. No, but I, yeah, had to go in the back freezer for something. I was closing. So it was just me and my manager who did not care if I lived or died. And went back there and I just, so there's the fridge and this back freezer. Walked through the fridge, got some stuff, opened the back freezer door. It closes behind me and I hear like, and a bunch of produce had just fallen in front of the door. And I go to open it and it's stuck.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 25:12Kaelyn Moore?

  And I, I don't even think I had my cell phone. If I did have my cell phone, there would have been no service, but I don't even think I had my cell phone on me. So I start banging on the door like, hey, hey. But my manager is in the other room and eventually I was able to throw my body against the door so hard that it just opened. And so I get out, I'm like sobbing. I'm like, my tears are all frozen in my face. And he's like, what happened? And I was like, I got stuck in the back freezer. And he was like, oh yeah, Pam got stuck back there and she had to go to the hospital. She almost died. Like be careful. And I was like-

• 25:44Speaker 01

  Imagine he's like, that's great. Can you, um, how's your Sunday looking like? Can you cover the PM shift?

• 25:48Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. All right. Do you have a story for me?

• 25:50Speaker 01

  I do. Oh my gosh.

• 25:51Kaelyn Moore?

  Stories, which I'm really excited about because the last time you brought a story, it was so scary.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  I brought it too today, just so you have an option.

• 25:57Kaelyn Moore?

  My day. Yeah. Amazing.

• 26:01Kaelyn Moore?

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• 26:45Kaelyn Moore?

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• 27:30Kaelyn Moore?

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• 28:54Kaelyn Moore?

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• 29:12Speaker 01

  Well, this is, I found a paranormal story, actually. Actually, could you hold my cane for me?

• 29:18Kaelyn Moore?

  Of course.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  I'll try to stay stable.

• 29:20Kaelyn Moore?

  Good. Wait, is this, did you order it for your costume? Or did you like have this?

• 29:23Speaker 01

  Just poking around. I'm kidding. Like, just at home.

• 29:28Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  You know, it is a nice cane, though.

• 29:29Kaelyn Moore?

  It's really nice. It's solid.

• 29:31Speaker 01

  Brought to you by Canes and Canes Plus.

• 29:33Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, our sponsor for today.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  Now, this story, it came in anonymous. I titled it, you know, I'm not gonna share the title of it, actually. You're gonna go in blind.

• 29:42Kaelyn Moore?

  Last time, too.

• 29:42Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:43Kaelyn Moore?

  You did tell the story.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  It's my instinct kicking in. I was never really a believer of the paranormal, which is a laugh in hindsight. But sometimes it takes a bit of personal experience before you come around to an idea. And this was an experience that definitely left a mark on me. Back in 2006, my husband and I were newly married, and we were both hustling with our jobs, trying to climb quick, get our companies. We hadn't really started a family yet, and we had not bought our first home together. That changed one day when I saw a listing in the paper for a place that was a good few towns over, but it looked adorable. I remember it was a quaint little two-bedroom spot, had white paneling on the outside and these gorgeous rose bushes that lined the windows underneath. But really, it caught my eye because we could afford it.

• 30:28Speaker 01

  It was cheap, surprisingly cheap. But I remember thinking, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. So I called the number for the listing agent, and before I knew it, we had the option to tour the place, and we put in an offer. Now, I'll admit, we jumped on it pretty quick, and I have definitely learned my lesson in years gone by that you should always do an inspection of a home before you move into a place. But we started having issues with the HVAC unit right away since it was getting warmer out. So we had to call a repairman and figured we might as well call an inspector to come do a full sweep of the house to figure out what we had gotten ourselves into and if there were any other hidden issues. But this was when we actually learned about the history of the home.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  The inspector that we called was local, and he came through the place and definitely noted the HVAC unit was an obvious problem, but couldn't see any other noticeable issues in the home other than normal wear and tear. And it wasn't very old, really. It was built in the 1990s. But what he had also mentioned were the people who lived in that house before us. And he said that they were good people, and a lot of folks miss them. I guess I'd stuck my nose out where it shouldn't belong, and I decided to ask him what he meant by that, which I remember is when he looked at me and realized I had no idea who lived in the house before we moved in and really, why we got the place so cheap. The couple that had lived in that house, so we were told, had died in a murder-suicide.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  He wasn't gonna be forthcoming with the details, but I kept on prying, almost like I couldn't stop asking questions since it was all lining up now as to why we got the place at such a good price. The wife had become unstable, I guess, and was paranoid that her husband had been having an affair behind her back. And although this guy described her as a sweet woman, it sounds like her mental state had kind of declined, and she grew suspicious of her husband to the point where, when he threatened to finally leave over the accusations, she shot him with his own gun that he kept in the closet and then took her own life in the master bathroom with the same gun. It was almost two weeks before anybody had gone to check on them, and the bodies were discovered. And when the house had been passed to the family,

• 32:40Speaker 01

  they kept it off the market for over a year just before they listed it. My husband and I had no idea. But I would say shortly after this was when I started to notice things around the house, which honestly complicated things because I wasn't sure if we were picking up on things that were a part of my own paranoia just from knowing who had been living in that house before us and that there were two people who were found dead the year prior. It was little things at first, like small objects that would go missing. I was often losing earrings that I was sure I had left on the dresser, sometimes a pen that my husband was convinced he had left on the desk in our second bedroom, which we used as an office. Suddenly, wasn't there anymore after a few hours. I also had a repeat issue with this mirror in the house.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  It was a small vintage mirror that I hung up on the outside of the doorway that would enter our kitchen. And no matter how many times I would straighten it, I would fix it, I would check the level on it, I would constantly walk away, come back, and find the mirror tilted ever so slightly. It was a strange time to be a skeptic, and at times, I myself felt like I was losing my mind and just couldn't tell if I was psyching myself out, repeatedly thinking about what had happened in that house and which rooms it had happened in. Hell, which room she took her life in, which was my bathroom. But that's exactly where I saw what I saw. My husband had joined a golf club with a few of his buddies, and they met every Sunday, which meant that I had the afternoons alone

• 34:10Speaker 01

  in the house to sleep in, catch up on some cleaning, I could run out and do errands. He had gone right after 9:00 a.m., since it was a bit of a drive and he had to pick up a couple of his friends. So I remember being in the living room, folding some laundry that morning that I had left in the dryer the night before, when I suddenly had a very bad feeling come over me. It wasn't a very obvious feeling. It felt more like I was getting sick or nauseous out of nowhere. I couldn't figure out what had brought that on and why the room suddenly felt so heavy, but I decided I wasn't gonna force myself to fold clothes if I wasn't feeling great. I remember I stood up from the couch where I'd been sorting socks from underwear, and when I did, I went to go cross over the living room towards the kitchen. And I could have sworn for a very split second

• 34:55Speaker 01

  in the reflection of that glass mirror, the vintage one, which was also now crooked, I caught a quick glimpse of myself moving past it and thought I saw another person in the reflection as well. I remember it happened very quick, and just as quick as I thought I saw it, I looked back, and it was just me in the mirror. At this point, I really thought I was losing it. Maybe it was just early and I was tired. Maybe I was really coming down with something. So I decided to shake it off and just put a pause on the laundry, and I decided I was actually gonna shower and get dressed and maybe carry on with my day. Maybe heading out of the house for a few could do me some good. I walked back to our bedroom, still with that heavy feeling in my legs and the paranoia that I couldn't shake,

• 35:38Speaker 01

  and I told myself, you're tired. You're tired, you're home alone, you spooked yourself. Because I couldn't stop thinking about that couple in this house. Let it go. Let it go. Go on with your day. So I got into the bathroom. I turned on the hot water, hoping that it was gonna jolt me out of this feeling. And I remember being in the shower and still feeling that something was wrong, and it wouldn't let up. It's like as if you left a burner on on the stove top and something's burning, and you know it, but you're actively choosing to ignore it, pretend like it's not happening. Like you can smell the char in the pot even though you're not looking at it. Still, I pushed myself to shake it off. Wash your hair, wash your face, wake yourself up.

• 36:21Speaker 01

  But in the shower is where I experienced the moment that made me a believer. I had my head under the shower head for a bit, was rinsing out the very last of my shampoo, so my eyes were closed for just a minute. When I opened them, I pressed my hands to my face, rubbed the water out of my eyes, still feeling that nauseous pit in my stomach. And when I turned over my shoulder to reach for the conditioner, I felt like my heart stopped. I'd come face to face with the corner of my shower curtain, where I could see the partial and close-up view of another woman's face peeking into the shower, looking at me. It was a woman with her face right up against the curtain's edge, and I could only see one side of her face,

• 37:05Speaker 01

  so I saw her big, wide eyes staring at me and her mouth just hanging open like she was stunned. Her skin looked colorless. I can't even really say she looked gray or white, like a ghost. It was just like her skin had no color at all. I remember the feeling of trying to scream, but I was so scared it felt like my chest locked up for a second, and I couldn't even get a breath in. I fell backwards towards the opposite wall of the shower and knocked some bottles off the ledge, which hit my feet and broke my focus from her face for only a second as I looked down at the tub. When I looked back up, she wasn't there. I ripped the shower curtain open, the water still running and getting everywhere, and there was no one in the bathroom.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  What I saw was so clear, I was momentarily convinced there was a woman in the house. So I immediately thought, I'm gonna have to call the police. I walked straight out of the shower. I pulled the towel off from the rack to cover myself up, and I walked into my bedroom. There was nothing. It was all silent. It was totally still. If there had been somebody in the bathroom, I couldn't imagine how they had gotten out of there so quickly. So I started to run through the house frantically, looking in every room. I checked the front door, which was still locked, and I picked up our phone in the kitchen to try to get a hold of my husband, who had a cellphone from work at the time. He drove straight back to the house, where he found me still in the towel, trying my best to explain to him what I had just seen. Well, we only lived in that house for another year.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  After that, we redid the kitchen, put it back up on the market, and we still talk about our experiences in that place from time to time. Sometimes, he makes me think that it's all in my mind, that maybe my eyes were playing tricks on me that day, and I was just paranoid being home alone, knowing what happened there. But I know what I saw. I remember what I saw that morning, and it was real. It was another woman looking right at me in the shower.

• 39:03Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh my god.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  Just.

• 39:08Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh.

• 39:09Speaker 01

  On.

• 39:10Kaelyn Moore?

  Was that a listener write in?

• 39:12Speaker 01

  It was a submission.

• 39:15Speaker 01

  They're crazy for the sinister things they send. I'm like, I sit at home reading them, like scanning them crying.

• 39:22Kaelyn Moore?

  Truly. Oh my gosh.

• 39:25Speaker 01

  Imagine, walk me through this. Imagine being in your shower, because you are so vulnerable.

• 39:29Kaelyn Moore?

  You're so vulnerable.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  Nothing can happen to me in the shower.

• 39:31Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. Well, yeah, that's like, being in the shower especially, because it's like, if someone breaks in, it's a worse spot for you to be in.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  I'm wet, I'm slippery.

• 39:39Kaelyn Moore?

  You're naked, you don't.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  I'm not, I'm not in my best shape. Give me until the summer, like.

• 39:44Kaelyn Moore?

  You look bad. But I think about that too, glasses. Like, I've started sleeping with like glasses next to my bed, because I'm like, what if something happens and I don't have, and I can't see anything in like in the shower?

• 39:55Speaker 01

  I don't even think about that. No, because when I take my contacts out at night, I don't even think about that if I would have to run out in the middle of the night.

• 40:01Kaelyn Moore?

  Now that I have a baby, glasses on the bedside, just if anything happens, I throw them on, I'm good. But you know what's weird is that's not the first story I've heard about something peeking over a shower, watching you while you shower.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  I hope ghosts aren't doing that. Come on.

• 40:16Kaelyn Moore?

  I know. Some of them are like freaking.

• 40:21Speaker 01

  It's bad. It's really bad.

• 40:22Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, that one too. It's like, I don't know, because the, the stuff was going missing. There's something about this woman, I imagine it's the woman, because she's a woman, who is like very curious about this other woman that moved into the house. Because why she, she killed her husband over fears of infidelity?

• 40:42Speaker 01

  Oh my god, I wasn't even thinking about that. Whoa, you just gave me chills.

• 40:45Kaelyn Moore?

  I think there's something there, but like, but who's this woman?

• 40:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, there's a woman in my master.

• 40:50Kaelyn Moore?

  You brought her to my home?

• 40:51Speaker 01

  I wasn't even thinking about that, because if you remember the description that she said, she was like, she had wide eyes and her mouth was hung open, like she was in shock, almost like, I can't believe there's a woman in my house.

• 41:01Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Get the gun. Get the gun.

• 41:06Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh my gosh. Oh.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  It's so bad.

• 41:09Kaelyn Moore?

  That's so scary. That's so scary. I, um, I was at a friend's engagement party once. This made me, this made me think of this story.

• 41:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 41:19Kaelyn Moore?

  Where she had moved, she was telling me the story of when she first moved into her boyfriend's house. So he, like, was renting this house, had other roommates, but he loved this house. He lived there for so long, like a couple of roommates would come in and out. Someone would stay for a year, leave, they'd get another roommate. There's like always three people in this house, but he was, he was always there the longest.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 41:39Kaelyn Moore?

  And so he had like the biggest bedroom, she moves in to be with him, and one morning, like two in the morning, she wakes up and there's someone standing at the foot of her bed.

• 41:51Kaelyn Moore?

  And she just remembers that they're wearing what looks like a cowboy hat. It's just the outline of a person. And as she like gets up to look at him, he kind of like flashes and is gone.

• 42:05Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 42:05Kaelyn Moore?

  And she like, huh, and grabs her boyfriend who's sleeping soundly next to her. She starts freaking out. She's like, there's someone in the house. Like, I don't, if, I don't know if it was one of your roommates, they were in our room, like someone was at the foot of that. And he just goes, that was the guy with the cowboy hat? Huh. And she's like, yes, how'd you know? And he goes, everyone who has moved into this house sees that guy.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  Stop.

• 42:25Kaelyn Moore?

  He's like, every single roommate has told me about that guy. We just, we kind of like joke about it now. I didn't know that it would happen if you were here. But yeah, there's, there's just like the cowboy ghosts that live in this house.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  How can you be so casual about that?

• 42:36Kaelyn Moore?

  So casual about it. Like, and both of them were telling me the story together. She's like cracking up about it, because then it became like a thing, but.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 42:43Kaelyn Moore?

  Scared in that moment. But yeah, just like, something that lives in the house that like people are seeing and they're, oh my.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  Do you find that comforting though? That like other people, like if you were to see a ghost and then somebody was like, oh, that's Todd, you know, like, do you find that comforting being like, okay, I'm not alone in this? One, I'm not crazy. And two, at least it's showing itself to other people? Because if ghosts could really hurt us, I think we'd all be dead by now.

• 43:03Kaelyn Moore?

  I know. Yeah, there's part of me that's.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  We'd be long gone.

• 43:06Kaelyn Moore?

  But if Todd didn't hurt anyone, you know, he just kind of shows up. But yeah.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  Just curious.

• 43:11Kaelyn Moore?

  Especially because I think about that, like when I, I did like the ghost hunt with two girls, one ghost. I've gone to some other ghosty places. I'm kind of always the first person that's just like looking for stuff. Like, it doesn't, the stories really scare me, but I don't think that's ever stopped me. You know, like, I just kind of do it scared. So I think even if, if, so if someone's like, oh, this thing is in the house, I would maybe be scared of it, but I don't think that would stop me from like being very curious about it.

• 43:35Speaker 01

  Interesting. I do get scared. I'm too scared to do almost anything.

• 43:38Kaelyn Moore?

  Really?

• 43:38Speaker 01

  I can't do, I can barely do any in person. And Stu always wants to do stuff like in person. She's like, we should go ghost hunting. And I'm like, I can't go to a CVS.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  I can't make it to the Walgreens.

• 43:50Kaelyn Moore?

  I can't even buy my own Robitussin.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  Actually, speaking, I just want to share this story real quick, because you reminded me of this as you were just saying it. She was at like, I guess this would be like a, not a wedding, but kind of like, what's the thing that happens before a wedding that's not a bachelor party?

• 44:04Kaelyn Moore?

  A rehearsal dinner?

• 44:05Speaker 01

  No, no, I guess.

• 44:06Kaelyn Moore?

  Rite of shower?

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Maybe it was just like a friend's celebration before the wedding, and it was way up in like Montana or like someplace remote. And it was like most of like her then boyfriend's friends. So she didn't know a lot of people there. So it's a mix of guys and girls at this place, this like cottage, giant cottage they're renting. And they decided they're all going to go to like this lake, which was like really far, like an hour away. She wasn't feeling great, so she was going to hang back at the house. So while she was there, she called, I remember her calling me about this, and I still get chills thinking about it. She was like getting out of the shower and looked through the window from the upstairs bathroom to the backyard. One of the guys who was like in the friend group who had a real bad vibe was back and like on the property, but almost like he had come back to like,

• 44:49Speaker 01

  I don't know, do something? Because that's the thing. It's like, this is the scary part, is she's like, what the hell is he doing here? And she like covers herself up, goes downstairs, goes outside. Nobody ever came in the house. And like, nobody's in the backyard. But she very clearly saw him like lingering in the backyard, calls her boyfriend after that. And she was like, hey, is this guy like so and so? She's like, he left you guys out at the lake? And they were like, oh, he took off for like a little bit, but he didn't come back to the house. She goes out of her way that night when like everyone's back to like work up the nerve and question him. And she was like, hey, um, I'll call him Jeremy. She was like, Jeremy, were you here today? Were you at the house? He says, no, I was at the lake all day.

• 45:30Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  But that's scary. It's scarier, the denying is scarier because she knows what she saw.

• 45:35Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  And then everyone, like, not everyone, but like her boyfriend was like, maybe it was like in your head?

• 45:41Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, god, no.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  She's like, no, no, I saw him. He was in the backyard.

• 45:45Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, Jeremy was in the backyard.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  Jer, so Jeremy was in the backyard.

• 45:48Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. Oh.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  Because like, what if, why deny it? Why was he there knowing that she was the only girl who hung back, who was going to be at the house alone? My question.

• 45:57Kaelyn Moore?

  There's sickos out there. There's absolute sickos that walk among us. Anyways, I have another story for you.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  I can't wait to hear it.

• 46:07Kaelyn Moore?

  Alrighty, let's see.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  You've got my nervous system out of 10.

• 46:10Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, me.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  My blood pressure is crazy.

• 46:12Kaelyn Moore?

  Are you kidding me? You are stressing me out so much. Every time you bring a story, it's like the worst thing I've ever heard in my entire life.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  I have a second one for you that I think is worse than that one, to be honest.

• 46:21Kaelyn Moore?

  Really? Okay. So I have, I have a couple ones on the shorter end that I want.

• 46:25Speaker 01

  Oh, okay, yeah.

• 46:27Kaelyn Moore?

  So this one is another Reddit story. It comes from a thread in Paranormal where people were asking about like, the scariest thing that your kid ever said to you or saw. And it comes from a user, the usernames are so unhinged on this whole episode, but this is badass with two kids. It's from four months ago.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  I like to think that Reddit generated that for them.

• 46:48Kaelyn Moore?

  I know, yeah, yeah.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  It's like one of the auto usernames?

• 46:51Kaelyn Moore?

  Have any control over it. So this, so badass with two kids writes, "When I was a few months pregnant with my daughter, before we knew that she was a girl, I was folding laundry while my son watched Care Bears in the living room. And out of nowhere, he starts sobbing. I ask him what's wrong, and he starts asking me where his baby sister was. He was two and a half at the time, and he had a slight speech delay. But as he was asking me these questions, he started speaking a lot more clearly. He started trying to tell me that they hurt his baby sister, that they hurt her hands and her legs.

• 47:29Kaelyn Moore?

  And when I asked what he was talking about, he told me that his old mommy, his bad mommy, they hurt him and his sister, and everything went black, and they chose to come to me and my husband. I started freaking out. I'm not super religious or really into anything spiritual like that. And also, I was hormonal and pregnant, and I was worried that my son had been exposed to something strange or scary. But I was a stay at home mom. He was never really out of my sight, not even when my parents would babysit him at that age. So I kind of pocketed that experience, put it in the back of my mind. Now, when my daughter was born, my son was obsessed with her. He would constantly check up on her. He would count all of her fingers and toes constantly.

• 48:12Kaelyn Moore?

  And my daughter was an incredibly clingy baby. She would only fall asleep in my arms. If I left the room at all for that first year, she would start screaming bloody murder. When she started talking in full sentences, at around two years old, she was a bit more advanced than her brother, she started calling me her good mama, and she would say it constantly. When I would ask why she was calling me that, she would say that I wasn't bad. I didn't hurt her like her bad mama. I'm telling y'all, hearing that come out of her mouth almost three years after my son had his tiny freak out, knowing that I'd never brought it up around her or made a point to tell anyone else about it other than my husband, it freaked me out. I started crying really hard. It just really messed with my head because it was coming for both of my kids.

• 48:58Kaelyn Moore?

  I don't know if my son ever talked to his baby sister about their bad mama. They don't talk about it now at all, since they're older. But I do go a little easy on them, and I spoil them a little bit too much, just in case there's truth to what they've told me.

• 49:15Kaelyn Moore?

  You know what's gonna make me cry?

• 49:16Speaker 01

  What?

• 49:18Kaelyn Moore?

  That they founded each other in the next life.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  Stop.

• 49:22Kaelyn Moore?

  Like, that, to me, is so...

• 49:24Speaker 01

  It's like a part of the reincarnation, like, theory, though. It's like, you're still with the same mix of people, but like, your sister, like, became your mom, or something.

• 49:31Kaelyn Moore?

  I get those TikToks that are like,

• 49:35Kaelyn Moore?

  "Me and my son in every lifetime."

• 49:39Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 49:40Kaelyn Moore?

  And I'm gonna have my lawyer reach out to every single person that posts one of those, because it's for emotional damages. Like, it's so crazy. I get so worked up over those. But it is the idea of, like, those TikToks that are like, "Us in every lifetime, me and my sister in every lifetime."

• 49:52Speaker 01

  I know. So, I haven't thought about reincarnation in a minute, but you're also very appropriately dressed for, like, an other mommy scenario right now?

• 49:59Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is why I wanted to do that one.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  Was that the inspiration for the costume? Which came first? Well, yeah, "Bad mommy."

• 50:04Kaelyn Moore?

  I know.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  I don't know about that. It's scary that it happened with two of them.

• 50:09Kaelyn Moore?

  I know. Which makes me think, but I, oh, my God, what a blessing that you just have each other in your next life, too.

• 50:15Speaker 01

  Do you believe in reincarnation?

• 50:17Kaelyn Moore?

  Do I believe in reincarnation?

• 50:21Kaelyn Moore?

  There's a lot of very convincing past-life stories out there. I've done past-life regression. I definitely...

• 50:28Speaker 01

  Like, covered it as an episode? Or you did it with, like...

• 50:30Kaelyn Moore?

  No, I did it. I went and I did a past-life regression. And, you know, my favorite part of this whole experience, I'm standing in the bathroom in line to, we're like, gonna go in and do the past-life regression. I'm waiting in line in the bathroom. And the guy in front of me is like, "You know, I've done this before." And I was like, "Oh, yeah, you know, what did, what's it like? What'd you see?" He was like, "I was on the mountain with Moses when he got the Ten Commandments." And I was like, "You?"

• 50:56Speaker 01

  You know...

• 50:57Kaelyn Moore?

  Like a Santa Monica man bun guy now.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  Girl, things I hear in the line at the 7-Eleven.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  "I was on the mountain with Moses."

• 51:03Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, I was like, it's always that they're, it's always, "I was Cleopatra." You know, it's always something amazing in their past life. But what I'll say is, so I started doing it, you know, they have you go through the past-life regression. You're like, doing this really intense meditation. I wasn't getting anything, like glimpses of anything.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Really?

• 51:20Kaelyn Moore?

  And then, all of a sudden, I started seeing myself walking in the woods. And I could tell it was a really long time ago. And I've never had a meditation where sights just kind of take over my mind.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't think I've had that either.

• 51:33Kaelyn Moore?

  So, I was like, "Oh, maybe there is something to this. Maybe I really did reach something in my subconscious." Like, I don't know. It was the woods, I was carrying sticks.

• 51:40Speaker 01

  Are you sure that you were a person in this? Because I always thought about that with past lives as well. I'm like, "Am I sure I was a person in every life? What if I was an animal?"

• 51:47Kaelyn Moore?

  Do you feel like, if you were an animal, which animal do you think you were in a past life?

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Wait, have we done this? The psychology trick of animals? We did do this, didn't we?

• 51:53Kaelyn Moore?

  Maybe we did.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  The three questions?

• 51:55Kaelyn Moore?

  Say the three questions, because I want the listeners at home to do this right now.

• 51:59Speaker 01

  Okay, so, yes, everyone do this right now. Pick an animal, the first animal that comes to mind. Say yours out loud.

• 52:05Kaelyn Moore?

  Pig.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  All right, pick the second animal that comes to mind.

• 52:09Kaelyn Moore?

  My dog Fitzgerald.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  Okay, so, dog.

• 52:12Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  And then...

• 52:13Kaelyn Moore?

  A standard poodle. A piggus poodle.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  The third animal that comes to your mind.

• 52:18Kaelyn Moore?

  A cardinal.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  So, the psychology trick behind it, or really, the thought, is that the first animal that you chose is how you see yourself, like, in a very public-facing way. Which is crazy.

• 52:32Kaelyn Moore?

  It was a little sloth pig.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  The second one that you chose is how you believe other people see you and perceive you.

• 52:39Kaelyn Moore?

  It's a beautiful, standard poodle.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  Exactly. But the third one is the deepest layer. That is who you really believe yourself to be, deep down.

• 52:46Kaelyn Moore?

  A cardinal. I wonder what that means?

• 52:50Speaker 01

  I did this while camping, too, and people had wild ones. Most people ended up being something between, like, a boar, a pig, a hog. Yeah, a boar.

• 52:58Kaelyn Moore?

  I'm not the only one that's hogging it up.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  No, no, no, not at all. And then some people were like, a penguin.

• 53:03Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, interesting, okay.

• 53:04Speaker 01

  I'm like, huh, stoic, majestic, even.

• 53:06Kaelyn Moore?

  Majestic, yeah, very majestic. Ooh, that's interesting. What are you, what were yours?

• 53:10Speaker 01

  I don't really remember, because I feel like it's tainted now, because I, like, administer the psych tricks. So, I'm like, can I really choose, like, at my most base level? But I feel like somewhere in there, I think the first one, I did like a tiger or something.

• 53:23Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  Like, some kind of a lion, but I think I ended up as like a squirrel.

• 53:30Kaelyn Moore?

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• 56:22Speaker 01

  Shall we shift into this story?

• 56:23Kaelyn Moore?

  Please do.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  May you hold my, could you hold my cane again? Thank you. My brittle hands, they need all the strength to hold this. So, this is a story that is from Tor that was submitted to us. I am bringing it to you because it is truly one of the scarier ones I've come across.

• 56:37Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  I don't really tell this story to many people, kind of because people look at you strange when something awful like this happens to you, but also because it's a scary thing to remember. Just for the purposes of sending it to you, please do keep my name anonymous on this one. Back in 2017, I had just started my senior year in high school, and I was trying to get a job at a movie theater that was near my house to make a little extra money. This place was definitely a bit rundown. It was a smaller theater, kind of like an indie, and it was owned by this older couple who really, really needed the help at the time. I think it was weekend. I remember I rode my bike over there, because I didn't have a car yet, and just asked the manager if they had any job openings, and he pretty much hired me on the spot. They needed some extra help with, really, every part of the theater, like the snack bar, doing tickets,

• 57:23Speaker 01

  but they also really needed someone who could help them out in the projection booth to play the movies. The manager who interviewed me said something about the person who had been doing it basically stopped showing up for work out of nowhere, and I guess they'd quit. And the only other people who knew how to do it were that one manager and the owners. But honestly, I was fine to learn the ropes and learn how to work the projector. I really didn't care. I just needed any sort of job as an after-school thing. But actually, working the projector, it isn't really that hard at all. The only thing that sucks about it is that you're pretty much alone up there the whole shift in that one room, so you do get bored. Also, the theater was old, so the projectionist booth had, like, no heat, and it was small and cramped. But you do get to chill up there.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  You can watch the movies from the booth, which is cool. It's just that the booth is not what makes this story scary. It's what I saw in that theater one night. It was three weeks into me working there, where this woman started coming in every single night. Like, sometimes she would buy a ticket, and sometimes she would just stand by the arcade corner. And when I tell you she had an eerie vibe to her, there was something off about this woman. She looked maybe middle-aged, sort of tired every time I saw her. And I only noticed her, after maybe the third time of seeing her in our lobby, that she was always wearing the same clothes. I wasn't sure if maybe she might have been homeless, or something else could have been going on there, but the thing that stuck out about her, when you looked at her, was her hair.

• 58:53Speaker 01

  It was this wild, frizzy mane, and it also sort of covered most of her face. But if you actually locked eyes with her, she had these dark, sunken eyes that were always really wide anytime I talked to her when she was buying a ticket. Just not your everyday kind of person, not sure how else to describe her. I usually only worked with this one other girl, and we both knew this woman had something wrong with her, just from the way that she would walk about the theater. And I actually had one weird encounter with her in our parking lot before all of this went down. I always locked my bike up behind the building. And there was this one night where I wasn't the closer, so I was gonna get to head out a bit early, and I went through the back exit from our office right at around 10:00 PM. And while I was out there getting my bike unlocked,

• 59:36Speaker 01

  I thought I heard something, so I remember looking up, just to make sure that everything was good. But it turns out something was very wrong here. Our parking lot was deep and way out in the distance of it, in the dark, where the grass meets the pavement, was that woman standing there, watching me. It was honestly too dark and too far for me to tell if she was actually facing me or if her back was turned to me and she was just standing there. But it was her. I could tell it was her from the hair alone. It was like she was stalking the building or something. That one was a freaky thing to see, but really, I just got on my bike and took off without looking back. And I did think about her on my way home. But this wasn't gonna be my

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  last experience with this woman, because something went down in our theater that one night, that is easily the scariest thing that has ever happened to me. So it was a Friday night when this happened, and I was working the late shift, which basically means that I'm gonna be working the projectionist booth and I am the closer. Cause our latest showing is at 11:00 PM, but nobody really ever comes to see those, but we still had to run the movie because of some contract that we had with Disney or something like that. I'm not really sure. Usually, I kinda just sit around in the booth on my phone. I was texting people, I'd play games, and no one really comes up to check on you. So sometimes, you'd just fall asleep, cause it's slow. So this one night, we were playing

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  a very late night screening, and I was bored, so I started watching the movie in my chair, until I accidentally fell asleep. When I woke up, I got that really panicky feeling, like if you're somewhere really late that you're not supposed to be. Also, I hadn't done anything to close up, and we were way past closing. It was like 1:00 or something in the morning. I hadn't locked up, I hadn't cleaned the theater. So I got up from my chair, and I was gonna head down from the booth to the theater to flip on the lights and just do a spot check for cleaning and then lock up. But before I even went downstairs, I see something through the window, while looking down at the theater, that still gives me chills to this day. Just from the silhouette of the hair, I could tell you, it was that

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  woman. That same frizzy, wild hair, from behind, by the way, because she was sat all alone in the center of the theater seats and was facing towards the screen, which was playing nothing. I know for a fact, she wasn't in the theater when the movie started, and before I fell asleep. Plus, we were closed, so I was annoyed at this point and started to rush down from the booth to ask her to leave the theater. I got my way down and kinda stormed into the entryway of the theater, to be like, ma'am, you have to leave, we are closed. But the second I got in there, there was nobody in the audience. And I got down there pretty fast, so I took a second, and I looked around all over the theater at different seats. She'd be hard to miss, but she definitely wasn't in the room anymore.

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  Maybe she ran out through the emergency exit near the screen when she heard me coming? No idea, but at least the problem was solved, she was gone. So I walked back up the entrance I just came through to flip the lights on. But literally, the second I turned around, I heard something in the theater. It was the sound of one of our theater seats flipping up to its upright position, and they don't do that on their own. So this was my confirmation. That woman was still in the theater. And at this point, I was creeped out, but mostly pissed. I remember turning back around, and I went and stood in front of the seats again, and I said something like, listen, ma'am, I know you're here, and I need you

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  to leave right now. We are past closing. I didn't wanna lose my confidence in saying it, but the more time that passed in the silence of waiting for a reply or to see her, the eerier it felt, just standing there. But what was I gonna do? I wasn't gonna back down, because at this point, this woman was hiding in our building. So I turned and started walking up the stairs to check each row of the seats, and I was heading towards the back row. I was checking and checking, and each time, I didn't see her down a row, I was getting more and more nervous. Like, the thought of all of this was crashing down on me, just how creepy it was, like this woman was hiding in our movie theater. So while I was checking and made it to the very back row, I swear to God, I heard a noise

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  that told me I had to get the hell out of that room. It was like a really quick series of thuds on the ground, like she was crawling through our theater on all fours. I wasn't really confident to confront her anymore. Something about all of this was getting way too creepy for me. This woman, who I definitely knew was here, was basically playing hide and seek with me, in the dark of this theater. And I started to freak out. Like, it's not worth confronting some unstable woman when I was alone at work. So at this point, I was just gonna get the hell out of there, call the cops, but that's when I saw her. If you can imagine it, I'm standing near the back rows of the seats, so I turned to get down the stairs from the aisle, and go out through the exit in the hallway, get

• 1:04:31Speaker 01

  out of the theater. But when I turned around to go down those stairs, the woman crawls out from the aisle, from the front seats on all fours, and turned her head up, towards me. This had to be one of the scariest things I think I'd ever seen. Like, the full weight of being alone in this place just hit. I couldn't even see her face, cause the theater screen was still on, and the lights in the theater were off. I never got a chance to flip them on. So I'm just seeing this woman on her hands and knees, the silhouette of her hair facing me. All I could think to do was run, get out as fast as I can. So I start sprinting through the rows of the seats next to me, to get to the left side of the theater, and make a run for it to get to the emergency exit. And I kid you

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  not, while I was running, I never looked back to actually see her, I could hear her, get to her feet, and start chasing me.

• 1:05:21Kaelyn Moore?

  Ah!

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  Scariest feeling I had ever felt in my life. You can't even think about what happens, you just gotta go. I ran into the dark area of the emergency exit and slammed myself against the door to get it open, and took off as fast as I could. I didn't grab my bike, since it was locked up, and I was not gonna pull my keys out or something like that. When I got to the furthest part of the parking lot, that's when I glanced behind me for the first time to see if she was chasing me, but she wasn't there. Which immediately made me slow down, since I was flying on adrenaline at this point. I kept darting my eyes from left to right across the back parking lot, looking for the woman. But to me, it seemed like she had never left the theater behind me. She was still in there. To pretty

• 1:06:05Speaker 01

  much tell you how my experience ended, I kept running until I got to a 7-Eleven that was up the street and called 911. And I actually didn't go back to the theater that night. They sent one officer to the movie theater, and another met with me at 7-Eleven to ask me exactly what happened. I ended up giving him my key, cause he said that he was gonna go back to meet up with the other officer, once they could get ahold of the owners and call them down, just to clear the whole theater and make sure nobody was still in there. And I actually never went back to that theater at all. After they called my parents that night, my mom came and picked me up and spoke with the officers about what I just saw. She didn't let me work there after that. But the most unsettling part of the story

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  is that they never found her. We had those security cameras in our lobby that caught her walking in very late at night, but they never saw her leaving the theater. So cops assumed, maybe after I saw her, and I ran out, she probably ran to another part of the building and just slipped out through a side door. I really don't know how she got out. But if you wanna know something sick about this, the next morning, after all this happened, my mom got a call from the officer, who I met the night before, when I gave my interview, and asked about something strange that he found in the theater. There was a large, rolled up clump of hair, found left on the carpet. And he said it

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  looked like it came from that woman, and that maybe she had ripped it out of her own head. I have no idea what that could have been, but to me, it was scarier to think just how unstable or dangerous that woman actually might have been. Now, if I close my eyes to picture her, the only thing that comes up is that silhouette, that frizzy, wild hair and those sunken wild eyes, and that horrible creepy sound of her crawling in the movie theater on all fours. I will never forget how that sounded.

• 1:08:02Kaelyn Moore?

  She's with that guy in the tunnel.

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:08:07Kaelyn Moore?

  From the first story.

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  Great minds think alike.

• 1:08:09Kaelyn Moore?

  That also didn't exit.

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  Tunnel people.

• 1:08:11Kaelyn Moore?

  The tunnel people. Wow. Can you, like, someone crawling after you? That's the thing. Cause at first, I was like, I think, cutting her a little bit of slack, like, oh, she looks tired.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  She lost her contacts.

• 1:08:26Kaelyn Moore?

  She...

• 1:08:27Speaker 01

  She's tired, she's lost her, she's on all fours, she lost her contacts.

• 1:08:29Kaelyn Moore?

  We've all been there. That's me in the first, like, six months of postpartum.

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  I keep on my diet, I'm ripping the hair out of my own head.

• 1:08:36Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh my gosh, but to, cause it was like 1:00 in the morning when they woke up, still at the theater, and she was still there, just sitting in the theater.

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  That's part of, that's part of what got me too, was like, you ever had that feeling where you're, it's almost like being at school after school is over, almost, and you're there, and it's just quiet and still, and kind of like, ooh, I feel like I shouldn't be in this place, kind of? That's what it felt like to me. Or like, you're doing something wrong, you've overslept, and you're like, oh wait, this happened to me, actually. So I've had a million jobs, I used to work as a pool boy, and my hours, I know.

• 1:09:05Kaelyn Moore?

  Of course you did.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  I used to work as a pool boy for this apartment complex, and my hours were really short. It was like a summer job, it was like 6 to 9, but...

• 1:09:12Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  Allegedly, sometimes, since I had a skeleton key to everything, if I was done cleaning the pool, I would go into the, one of the model units, cause they were furnished, and I would take a nap in the bed, like, under the sheets and everything.

• 1:09:25Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:09:26Speaker 01

  So, one night, I did that.

• 1:09:27Kaelyn Moore?

  In the unit they use to show other people.

• 1:09:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like the guest unit, to be like, come to, can you believe this? Come to Altera, the property of the future.

• 1:09:35Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:09:36Speaker 01

  But I was in that bed, and I overslept, and I woke up and it was like 2:00 AM. I had, I'd almost done an overnight in the guest unit, and I was like, oh my God, the pool's not, I had like a duplicate experience, I was like, the pool's not locked up.

• 1:09:48Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:49Speaker 01

  I'm in this unit, all the lights are on. It was crazy.

• 1:09:53Kaelyn Moore?

  That's really spooky, that is spooky. Okay, I have one more that I'm gonna read.

• 1:09:56Speaker 01

  Should I hold this cane? You really, now it's kinda taking on a different thing with the cane, you looked a bit like Willy Wonka for a second.

• 1:10:01Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes, it does have a Wonka, I mean, it is like maroon.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  It is, it really goes, I mean, the color scheme is really working with you.

• 1:10:06Kaelyn Moore?

  Okay, this is a quick little short one. So this is another one from Reddit, posted five years ago, by user Big Bull Thunder. And it goes, I think this is from another paranormal thread, I can't remember exactly which one it came from. But it goes, this story sounds crazy, but is 100% true. At least my narrative. I used to live in a mobile home trailer park growing up. There was a hallway that went from one end of the trailer to the other, with the bedrooms coming off of it on one side. My bed was on the wall, opposite the hallway, so I could see into the hallway, but not down either side. When I was about maybe six or seven years old, I stayed awake after my dad went to sleep and stared at the hallway. I would start to be able to make out a hand stretching from beyond the doorway

• 1:10:51Kaelyn Moore?

  in the hall, from the right side of the door to the left. The longer I looked, the more the hand would appear, until eventually, over the course of a few minutes, I could see a red and white striped shirt or sweater sleeve. If I continued to stare after a longer period, the body of a boy would appear in the doorway. I specifically remember hiding under the covers most nights when this would happen, mostly at the first sight of him. I was never antagonized further than him slowly moving, facing my bed from the right side of the door to the left. And if I continued to stare, he would eventually disappear beyond the left threshold. We moved out of that trailer into a home when I had just turned nine, and that was the end of it. I never really thought about it.

• 1:11:36Kaelyn Moore?

  And I never told my dad or anyone else about it, because by that time, I'd already just chalked it up to seeing things as a kid. And I just thought it was my imagination. About 15 or 20 years later, my dad and I were talking about his best friend that had lived next door, but had sadly just passed away. We started talking about our trailer and the older lady that had moved in after us. And my dad said something like, funny enough, but that friend told me a few years ago that the woman used to see a little boy in a red and white shirt, like a ghost or something. I was obviously taken aback and I told him about what I had seen almost every night for a few years. And we were both just a bit shocked at what this might mean.

• 1:12:18Kaelyn Moore?

  Never experienced anything else, but that completely stumps me.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  It's the confirmation of not one sighting, like something that you think might have been your imagination, or like just in your head when you were a little kid, but then having the confirmation of like, no, someone else saw that. Have you had anything like that happen to you? Any like kind of confirmation where you're like, maybe that wasn't what I thought it was, or maybe I didn't really see that. And then somebody was like, no, no, no, that actually happened.

• 1:12:47Kaelyn Moore?

  Personally, I don't know. I talk about it all the time, but the ghost hunt that we did with, that I did with Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 1:12:53Speaker 01

  Where did you do that, by the way?

• 1:12:54Kaelyn Moore?

  We did it at the Henry Derby House in Salem. It's the most haunted Airbnb you can rent in Salem.

• 1:13:00Speaker 01

  Coincidentally, also the most expensive.

• 1:13:01Kaelyn Moore?

  I know. Don't even get me started. No, but it's a, it's a great place. But we did part one on my channel, part two on their channel.

• 1:13:09Speaker 01

  Oh, cool.

• 1:13:10Kaelyn Moore?

  And while we were there, we had a really confusing experience with what felt like a ghost in the house. We just like couldn't figure it out. But there was.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 1:13:19Kaelyn Moore?

  It led us to the third floor of the house. And it kept, like, we kept trying to figure out where the most, where the most activity was. And the most activity was right outside of the, this little linen closet. It just kept like, nothing in the basement, nothing on the first floor, nothing on the second floor, finally went up to the third floor, started feeling a little bit of movement. The like little ghost boxes and stuff that the girls brought like start going off. And so we're kind of following it around, being like, where's the stuff most happening? And it was right outside of, like, right when you get to the tops of the stairs, there's a linen closet, one bedroom to the left, and then a hallway to the right.

• 1:13:56Speaker 01

  Oh, God, I can see this so clearly. My God.

• 1:13:58Kaelyn Moore?

  We opened the linen closet and inside there's a Ouija board. I'm not kidding. And it was.

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:14:04Kaelyn Moore?

  This Salem novelty Ouija board. Like someone had stayed in the house and probably bought it in town and then brought it in the house to use it. So we get the Ouija board out and we start kind of playing with it. And it's really confusing. It like feels, just from talking to it, it's like, it feels like it's a woman, feels like she's trapped in the house. And she said like, God can let me out, but like,

• 1:14:28Kaelyn Moore?

  and that was it. And then she's like really not talking, like it's moving so slowly and she's not really communicating. It was like a very strange experience. Like she didn't want to talk to us. And we were like, that was so weird. And even like Corinne and Sabrina left. And they were thinking that it was like a bad experience. And, you know, we didn't really have a lot of activity. How are we going to cut this video together? But I stayed there overnight. They went home to their homes because they live nearby. And I stayed in the Airbnb with my mom.

• 1:14:54Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:14:55Kaelyn Moore?

  And the next morning, because my mom works customer service, so she will talk to anyone. But the next morning, there's like a guy cleaning the leaves outside. And so she opens the door, just starts talking to him. And it turns out he's the owner of the Airbnb.

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:15:07Kaelyn Moore?

  And she's chit chatting with him. She's like, they did a ghost hunt last night. They had da, da, da, da, da. And I, I start talking to the guy too. And he's like, oh, like, how did it go last night? You did a ghost hunt? You know, a lot of people do ghost hunts in this house and they always like see stuff. And I, I would always see a girl on the third floor. Like my friends would come over.

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  Verbatim, that's what he said.

• 1:15:27Kaelyn Moore?

  And my friends would come over and think that my sister was up on the third floor when she wasn't home. Like there was always like a woman up, like a girl upstairs on the third floor. And we were like, okay. So I tell him that.

• 1:15:36Speaker 01

  That's literally, that's confirmation.

• 1:15:38Kaelyn Moore?

  We did, we did this experience and we were up on the third floor. And, you know, we, a lot of the, it felt like this woman was by this pantry. We opened, or this linen closet, we opened it and there was a Ouija board inside. And he goes, oh, oh my God, thank you so much for telling me. Like, I really don't like when there's Ouija boards inside. And I, and the spirit seemed to be uncomfortable with it too. They really don't like Ouija boards. Thank you for telling me. I'll throw it out. And I was like, the girl, like that ghost in the house was telling us where the Ouija board was. Because what are the odds too, that he showed up the next day? And I was able to tell him about it. He was able to go upstairs. He would have never found it unless he was opening all the doors in the house. So I think she really was like, there's a Ouija board in here. Like go, the owner's going to come tomorrow, tell him so that he can throw it out. Because I don't like it being in the house.

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  She's efficient.

• 1:16:19Kaelyn Moore?

  She's efficient. She was like, we're on a mission, ladies. And I went upstairs and I used the Spirit Box app. And I started asking it questions and I, literally it's on the Two Girls, One Ghost channel. But I start asking like, was there a reason you wanted me to come here? And she's saying like, upstairs, closet, throw out. Like it, it just like literally starts saying that. It was cra- I was like, they have a camera. I just start crying.

• 1:16:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was gonna say, I was like, I think this would do me in. I think I'd probably have to book a Hilton or something.

• 1:16:47Kaelyn Moore?

  I'm getting emotional. I'm crying because I'm scared, but I'm also like communicating with a ghost, it feels like. So it's very emotional.

• 1:16:53Speaker 01

  Well, because I mean, so much of that is, what are the odds? Those, like those key words. I mean, unless the phone is listening, I suppose. But like, what are the odds?

• 1:17:00Kaelyn Moore?

  I know. It was really, it was just all of it together. And then I told the girls about it when we did our follow up and they couldn't believe it. It just felt like it tied everything up after having a very strange experience the night before. So that was really cool.

• 1:17:12Speaker 01

  Crazy they didn't stay the night with you. That they like kind of bowed out, you're a real one for really sticking around.

• 1:17:18Kaelyn Moore?

  Me and my mom, and my mom's just like, okay.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  She wasn't spooked?

• 1:17:21Kaelyn Moore?

  No, she believes in ghosts too, and she's not scared. She's like, okay, we'll just sleep with the spirits tonight.

• 1:17:26Speaker 01

  Is she from Fargo? Oh, my God.

• 1:17:29Kaelyn Moore?

  And that's how she talks. No, she's so funny. I think I also didn't tell her everything we experienced as to not scare her.

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  Let them go in with a clean slate. I think that's actually better to like, keep it after the fact and before, especially if you want someone to go in with a clean slate. So they're not corrupted to be like looking around every corner and at every shadow.

• 1:17:48Kaelyn Moore?

  Thank you. You hear things that.

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  Because sometimes in some places you just don't.

• 1:17:52Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:52Speaker 01

  Like, I forget if this was on the Sinister or Creep Time, but I just covered a case, the Bothell Hell House. Have you heard of that? And it was apparently like a very, very serious, like more modern haunt up in Washington on Stafford Way, I think. And Zach Bagan even came, like Ghost Adventures came to the house. But ironically, of all the religious groups, all the independent paranormal researchers, him and his team were the only ones who didn't have a paranormal experience there.

• 1:18:16Kaelyn Moore?

  Wow.

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  And they only stayed for five hours, I guess. Like production was kind of like in and out, but they're the only ones. And Stu thinks that it's because the ghosts were like, we're not giving you anything.

• 1:18:27Kaelyn Moore?

  No, of course. They're like, we've seen your show. You do portray us in the best light.

• 1:18:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're like, we're not giving you this footage, girl. You think we're going to help you with the ratings?

• 1:18:35Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  Think again.

• 1:18:36Kaelyn Moore?

  You pay me. My agent will be reaching out.

• 1:18:39Speaker 01

  The ghosts looking for residuals. That's the kind of ghosts we're going to be.

• 1:18:42Kaelyn Moore?

  I know, ghosts that want to get paid.

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  Is that Ghost SAG? It's the Ghost Union.

• 1:18:48Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, my gosh, we're starting Ghost SAG after this. Um, well, thank you so much for coming on.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  It was my pleasure. I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for having me.

• 1:18:55Kaelyn Moore?

  We are going to be back next week. This is, this kind of concludes our October Halloween spooky programming, but we're headed straight into the end of the year. We have a lot more great episodes coming for the, the rest of the year. So stick around. I'm going to be here every week with more episodes and I'll see you guys next time. Stay curious.

• 1:19:15Kaelyn Moore?

  Heart Starts Pounding is written and produced by me, Keala Moore. Our associate producer is June Hobbs. Heart Starts Pounding is also produced by Matt Brown. Sound design and mix by Red Rome Creative. Video editing by Creative Step. Special thanks to Travis Dunlap, Grayson Jordan again, the team at WME. Have a heart pounding story or a case request, check out heartstarts pounding.com.

• 1:19:35Kaelyn Moore?

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