Margaret Qualley

We're all going to look back at 2024 as the year Margaret Qualley announced herself as fearless actor, from DRIVE AWAY DOLLS and KINDS OF KINDNESS to THE SUBSTANCE. She joins Josh to chat about the latter and how all she really wants is a sweet romcom. SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS! Quince -- Go to Quince.com/happysadco for 365 day returns and free shipping! UPCOMING LIVE EVENTS 1/15 -- Sam Heughan in NYC -- ⁠Tickets here⁠ 1/20 -- Adam Scott in NYC -- ⁠⁠⁠⁠Tickets here⁠⁠⁠⁠ 1/23 -- Michelle Yeoh In NYC -- ⁠Tickets here Check out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Happy Sad Confused patreon here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! We've got discount codes to live events, merch, early access, exclusive episodes, video versions of the podcast, and more! To watch episodes of Happy Sad Confused, subscribe to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Josh's youtube channel here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:00Josh Horowitz?

  Worst noted director it's ever given you?

• 1:02Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:05Josh Horowitz?

  We're not naming names, it's okay.

• 1:06Speaker 03

  Okay. I hope she doesn't see this, because she had really good intentions. But I remember someone whispering in my ear, "Shame, shame, shame." And I was like...

• 1:20Josh Horowitz?

  I love that so much.

• 1:22Speaker 03

  And it made me laugh. You know, I knew what she was going for, and I was like...

• 1:26Speaker 04

  Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now.

• 1:34Josh Horowitz?

  I'm Josh Horowitz, and today on Happy, Sad, Confused, Margaret Qualley is here. This lady is doing it right. You may know her from The Nice Guys and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. But in 2024, she really kicked it up a notch with an all-timer trio of bold bananas movies that I love, Drive Away Dolls, Kind of Kindness, and of course, The Substance. If you've seen it, you know she's getting all the accolades. It's well-deserved. She's fresh off the Golden Globe stage. It's the one and only on Happy, Sad, Confused for the first time. How is that possible? It's Margaret Qualley.

• 2:05Speaker 03

  That was sweet.

• 2:09Josh Horowitz?

  I'm out of breath. Take over, Margaret.

• 2:12Speaker 03

  How's it going? Thanks for having me.

• 2:14Josh Horowitz?

  It's so good to see you. Thank you for taking the time. Um, congratulations on everything. We're going to revel in all the madness of your career. You're making the best choices. I'm so excited for everything you're doing, so. I'm glad it's happening now.

• 2:28Speaker 03

  That's really nice of you to say. I'm glad you think so.

• 2:32Josh Horowitz?

  Someone validating me.

• 2:33Speaker 03

  I'm glad someone thinks so.

• 2:34Josh Horowitz?

  No, a lot of people do. This is, this is like a substance arrangement for the next 40 minutes. We are a symbiotic relationship. We're gonna be here for each other.

• 2:42Speaker 03

  We are one?

• 2:44Josh Horowitz?

  Well, we're not exactly one, but together we are one podcast. And if one of us dies, this podcast dies, I guess is what I'm saying.

• 2:50Speaker 03

  Got it. Okay.

• 2:52Josh Horowitz?

  So no, no pressure.

• 2:53Speaker 03

  Try not to die. Got it.

• 2:55Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. That's the number one goal.

• 3:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:00Josh Horowitz?

  I, I have returned to my beloved New York City. I know New York is home for you too. You're still in LA. I was at the Globes like you were the other day. Do you miss New York? It's, it's, it's very cold here, if it's any consolation.

• 3:13Speaker 03

  I always miss New York. I love New York. It's my favorite place in the whole world. New York and New Jersey, actually. If I could just bounce back and, well, no, I won't say that because I do love my job so much and I do love being on location as a part of the job too. We could get into that, but I think it's nice, like, to kind of like, I like, doing a movie for me is the most selfish experience in the world because what you essentially get to do is put the rest of your life on pause, to a degree. I'm not a guy, so I can't really put everything on pause, but.

• 3:47Josh Horowitz?

  Different standards. Guys could just shut it off. Fuck family, fuck friends, I'm doing a movie.

• 3:53Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 3:57Josh Horowitz?

  It does seem like quite like a get out of jail free card for certain folks.

• 4:02Speaker 03

  I will say, yeah, there's like, sometimes you'll be doing a movie and you'll, or you'll all have the experience of getting really tired and being like, oh gosh, I just need to rest. And then you go back to life and you're like, oh no, that was resting. This is harder. The, the, the movie part, that's, that's like the ultimate fantasy rest. It's, that's, yeah.

• 4:19Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, they're feeding me, they're doing my laundry, they're taking care of me.

• 4:22Speaker 03

  Yes, yeah, they'll wake up in the morning and they say, you get up here and then we'll put you in your car, we'll take you here and then we're gonna do your hair, we're gonna do your makeup, we're gonna eat this, you're gonna put this outfit on, you're gonna say this, then we're gonna walk you, we're gonna walk you to the bathroom, you're gonna go, you're walking back to set, we're gonna walk you over here. It's, it's, you're being babysat. Constantly babysat.

• 4:43Josh Horowitz?

  What's the, what's, okay, so when you're back home and you're not working, what's, give me a snapshot of day in the life of Margaret.

• 4:50Speaker 03

  Day in the life?

• 4:51Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 4:52Speaker 03

  Um, okay. Well, first of all, I have a new addition to my life. And, right? What about that reveal? This is Smokey.

• 5:04Josh Horowitz?

  Smokey is the, is the second most adorable dog next to my dog who's in the other room. I might need to get, grab Lucy because, oh my gosh.

• 5:10Speaker 03

  It could be a puppy playdate.

• 5:12Josh Horowitz?

  I'm gonna grab.

• 5:12Speaker 03

  Smokey has changed my, grab Lucy.

• 5:14Josh Horowitz?

  I'm grabbing Lucy. I'm gonna be right back. Talk, talk to the, the folks on the podcast. Tell her about, tell, tell them about Smokey.

• 5:19Speaker 03

  Really?

• 5:20Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 5:20Speaker 03

  Okay. Um, hi, hi guys. Uh, this is Smokey. Am I really supposed to be doing this? I don't know that I am. Josh is gone. I could say anything. Penis! Just kidding. Sorry. Um, I'll stop. I'm gonna seem insane. Here.

• 5:37Josh Horowitz?

  No, you're not insane. I think you're, you're not insane. I heard the penis.

• 5:41Speaker 03

  I played the penis game.

• 5:42Josh Horowitz?

  I heard penis.

• 5:44Speaker 03

  That's my go-to.

• 5:46Josh Horowitz?

  I, I, I have a bigger one than Smokey, but.

• 5:49Speaker 03

  Oh, hi.

• 5:50Josh Horowitz?

  Lucy.

• 5:52Speaker 03

  Hi Lucy.

• 5:53Josh Horowitz?

  So it tell, so how long have you had Smokey?

• 5:55Speaker 03

  How long have you had Lucy? Thanks.

• 5:56Josh Horowitz?

  We've had Lucy for four years.

• 5:59Speaker 03

  You've had Lucy for four years?

• 6:01Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 6:02Speaker 03

  And Lucy seems like a lapdog. Lucy's huge.

• 6:06Josh Horowitz?

  She, she often is a lapdog. Right now she's like. An anti-lapdog.

• 6:10Speaker 03

  Well, she's maybe got performance anxiety. What happens to the best of us.

• 6:14Josh Horowitz?

  Were you always a dog person? Is this like a new development in your life?

• 6:18Speaker 03

  I've never, I haven't had a dog as an adult. Um, and I mean, I grew up with a lot of animals, Montana, North Carolina. And, um, then I was too kind of like transient to be responsible for a little creature. But now I feel like I was like, got life under control enough that I can have a dog.

• 6:38Josh Horowitz?

  You're thirty?

• 6:39Speaker 03

  I'm thirty. I'm thirty. I can have a dog. Yeah, I'm, I'm a goddamn grown up. Yeah.

• 6:45Josh Horowitz?

  I feel like I just gotta peek and see what you say to yourself in the mirror every morning.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  I'm thirty. I can have a dog.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:53Josh Horowitz?

  Um, okay, let's, I wanna, we'll backtrack to absurd, random things like dogs later, but let's talk substance because this has been quite a wild ride for you guys. What does it say? I mean, I don't know. I, I, when I first saw this, I was like, this is for me. I love this. This is not going to be for everyone. And then lo and behold, this is a box office hit. This is a critical hit. This is a awards contender. Margaret, what? I thought the world was a horrible place. The world is a wonderful place if we're accepting the substance like this, right?

• 7:24Speaker 03

  I, I know what you mean. I'm totally blown away and totally shocked and like, I'm so grateful. Demi and I worked so hard on this for like, it was a five month shoot. It was super intense. It was, um, at once, you know, rewarding and painful and like, all, all, all the things that, I don't know. It was just like, and I'm so happy for her. I love her so much. I've learned so much from her. I love being around her. I've really truly gained a friend from this experience and,

• 8:01Speaker 03

  yeah, uh, and also say, yeah, I'm so, so grateful for the life that the substance has had or is having out there.

• 8:12Josh Horowitz?

  So when you encounter this script, what's, what's your first read on this? Because I would imagine like, you can have one or two reactions. This is the kind of script where you're like, you know, throw it in the trash, burn the computer. I never want to look at this thing. Or you can respond to it like the weird freaks like you and I. I assume you responded to it. Like what, what, what did you click into? Like what excited you when you first read it?

• 8:34Speaker 03

  Um, I think it's just, it's like touching on a part of the human experience that is like,

• 8:47Speaker 03

  Just I think somewhat like inevitable in this day and age, you know. Um, but doing it in a way that like is celebratory in a sense, you know, I guess. I feel like um, I'm very much interested in making movies that people wanna watch. And I don't always like movies that I don't always hit the mark there. But I guess what I mean is like, like I I I wanted to watch this movie. When I read it, I wanted I wanted to see that movie and I wanted to tell that story. I wanted to like.

• 9:30Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 9:31Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, I just wanted to be a part of it. I could like kind of, it was a really descriptive script. And it felt like, to me, it kind of felt like reading what I would imagine it was to read like um, one of those classic fairy tales, like in this very backwards way. But the way that the way that the story was being told was very like, it it's it's it's almost like it could have been animated, you know? Um, and and and the performances, I think, kind of feel like that, too. It's almost like animated creatures come to life. And um, and I just hadn't seen anything that, you know.

• 10:16Speaker 03

  It it's just like a, yeah, it was a cool, a cool way of telling the story, like a nightmarish fucked up fairy tale.

• 10:21Josh Horowitz?

  Did anything about it scare you? I mean, the way like you're shot in this film, the way, I mean, really like body image, obviously.

• 10:29Speaker 03

  Terrified me, yeah, terrified me, absolutely. I like, I absolutely terrified me. I think like I've also, I've I've lived my life, my work life specifically. Um, doing the exact opposite of everything that this movie does to me. And um, I've I've sought out performances that that go in the other direction. Um, and I think that comes partially from a female idea that in order to garner respect, you have to make yourself um.

• 11:05Speaker 03

  You know.

• 11:05Josh Horowitz?

  Declamorized.

• 11:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. You know, like, like Charlize Theron in Monster or something, right? Like, that's like, like, that's how you you get res- respect as a, as a, as a lady. And um, and now that's, that's, that's an amazing performance. Of course, you should have a little respect. But um. But eh, the point being, it was just like, super terrifying to lean into all the things that I was told will make people hate me. You know what I mean? Basically, like, and it is, and people, you do hate her, you know? You know, like, you hate her until you don't, she turns into a monster. Like, that's when you kind of get, eh, that's when, that's when, then when Sue, uh, Monster Eliza Sue loves herself for the first time.

• 11:48Speaker 03

  She experiences love for the first time. Until then, she's kind of like this, like, you know, like, alien sex bot thing. And um, so pointless. I mean, it was, it was terrifying. It was like, and then, and then on top of that, like, the amount of pressure to um, like, be or the realization of Corley's idea of perfection and um,

• 12:19Speaker 03

  uh, like an intense, eh, in an intense gaze for a really elongated period of time. Like, five months is a long time to be living in that mindset.

• 12:31Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, just another day, wake up and be an idealized, yeah, version of perfection, of femininity, yeah.

• 12:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, what am I doing to myself?

• 12:45Josh Horowitz?

  Is there a bonus in psychiatric bills, I guess, after the shoot to compensate for what I'm going through?

• 12:51Speaker 03

  By the end of this shoot, I had like, okay, wait, you did you see, you saw all kinds of kindness?

• 12:57Josh Horowitz?

  Yes, of course.

• 12:57Speaker 03

  Okay, so, thank you. Um, you know that the character that has like all the acne? Like, that was just my acne from the prosthetics. And I was like, oh, this is actually kind of perfect. Like, I'm playing all these different characters. For one of them, we'll really use all my crazy prosthetic acne. Yeah, like, it took me probably like a year to recover, like, physically from.

• 13:23Speaker 03

  All of it. Um, like at the end, like when they're shooting up my skirt at the end or in the beginning credits, when it's like the palm trees all around and they got like all these long led led from the bottom. That's just because my face was so fucked up by that time that they couldn't like shoot my face anymore.

• 13:46Josh Horowitz?

  Here's your perfect lady, guys. Ready for my close up?

• 13:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was like covered with like.

• 13:52Josh Horowitz?

  This is what you wanted, right? This is what you did to me, Hollywood.

• 13:57Josh Horowitz?

  What I also, I love all your Instagram. You posted a fair amount of amazing prosthetic photos. Like it seems like you really reveled. Did all your friends and family enjoy the series of photos you must have sent during production?

• 14:10Speaker 03

  That and like the FaceTimes.

• 14:14Speaker 03

  You're waiting around on the on set and like FaceTime surprise with um, Monstro prosthetics is kind of entertaining.

• 14:25Josh Horowitz?

  Glorious.

• 14:32Josh Horowitz?

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• 18:00Josh Horowitz?

  We talked, we alluded to this, like amazing life the movie has had. You can never predict also the memification, the enter into the zeitgeist. I mean, there have been, I can't imagine, I'm sure you've seen like a thousand of these. I've seen thousands of these, you know, dragging you across the floor.

• 18:18Speaker 03

  I love it. Yeah.

• 18:19Josh Horowitz?

  Cut to like super crypto dragging Superman.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  By the way, that was scary, dragging me across the floor. Cause that's really happening that fast. Like all these things are practical. So like, we've got someone, my, I have a piece of cardboard on tied, taped to my back. So that I won't get rug burn. And then I've got my feet tied with little ropes and someone just yanking a rope from the other side. Like on a machine, I'm sliding down the corridor, like banging back and forth. And then down the stairs. Anyway.

• 18:57Josh Horowitz?

  You're really selling the acting thing well, for anybody aspiring to be an actor. This is a cautionary tale. Don't do it.

• 19:04Speaker 03

  No, I do love my job. I love it. It's the best job in the world.

• 19:08Josh Horowitz?

  Are there any of the memes or stuff that you've really enjoyed yourself?

• 19:12Speaker 03

  All of them. Yeah. I like the one a lot someone sent me where it's like, if I send you this photo, it means I'm not coming. Of Demi, there is either, yeah, there's, there's a good one of Demi and a good one of Monstro. But they've all been amazing. It's like, it's so, I absolutely am touched by the way that culture has embraced the film. And that it means something to people is awesome.

• 19:39Josh Horowitz?

  Whether you know it or not, your name's come up a lot on the podcast. I've been dropping your name a lot the last year or so, because like I, I really, I really mean this. The choices you're making are awesome. Like, and, and, and we can point to, like I alluded to 2024. Substance is just the tip of the iceberg. If people haven't seen Kinds of Kindness or Drive Away Dolls, that not enough people did see. I feel like those two films walked, so Substance could, could run. But they allude to a very cool sensibility. Like, I don't know what the directive you're giving team quality is. Is it like, give me the weirdest, give me the thing you think is too weird for me. I want to read it.

• 20:16Speaker 03

  So the opposite, like, I don't know what happens to me. Like, I'll be like, I like, I'm like, okay, I just want to do a rom-com. I just want to do like a romance. I just want to do something sweet. And then like, the next movie I'm doing is Victorian Psycho. I'm reteaming with Zach Wigan. I'm like a serial killer. Like, I don't know why. I was like, I like, I keep saying it. And then I'm like, ooh, this. So I, it's my own fault, but that's certainly not my directive. Like, I, I'm trying to, I, maybe it's also like, I don't know, like, I do, uh, the world becomes a part of your life to a degree. Like, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna enjoy my life.

• 20:57Josh Horowitz?

  Right, right, yeah.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  But I think Victorian Psycho will be really fun. Anyway, I wanna have fun. I don't know.

• 21:04Josh Horowitz?

  Nancy Meyers, uh, you know, ki- kitchen set rom-com would be lovely.

• 21:09Speaker 03

  That would be heaven. Sign me up.

• 21:12Josh Horowitz?

  Do you go up for things? Like, have you auditioned for?

• 21:15Speaker 03

  I don't get them. I, I think there's something about me that says, uh,

• 21:19Josh Horowitz?

  You're, you're too damn interesting for your own good.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  I'm, uh, crazy.

• 21:25Josh Horowitz?

  That was my con euphemism.

• 21:28Speaker 03

  I, yeah, I don't know. People, yeah.

• 21:32Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, so give me a sense of your sensibilities growing up. Just as a fan of film and TV, what, what, what were you into?

• 21:40Speaker 03

  Growing up?

• 21:41Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 21:42Speaker 03

  Okay. I mean, growing up, I was kind of too busy to, like, I, I was such a serious dancer that I didn't

• 21:51Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 21:51Speaker 03

  watch an incredible amount of film. I would love the TV show Friday Night Lights. And me and my girlfriends would watch it every Friday together religiously. And I think that life is so magical for so many reasons. But like, I do think that you, those, like, you plant seeds and They bloom and um my first job was The Leftovers, which was like

• 22:15Josh Horowitz?

  Pete Burke, of course, right?

• 22:17Speaker 03

  Friday Night Lights with Pete Burke. Yeah, I auditioned for him and it was the only TV show I'd ever watched, really. And so it was amazing. Like, I knew his sensibility really well.

• 22:28Josh Horowitz?

  Wait, and then and then you've, of course, worked with Jesse since then, Jesse Clements.

• 22:32Speaker 03

  I worked with Jesse since then, mm hmm. Yeah, but everything, like, one thing was, then, okay, so when I started, I went to my first acting class when I was Moved to New York at sixteen. My high school boyfriend took me to an acting class in a church on the Upper East Side, like an improv class. And I fell in love with acting. And then I started doing my homework and I watched, uh, I looked up like all my favorite, oh, no, he gave me all of his favorite movies. And I watched all of his favorite movies. And then out of those, I watched, I like looked up those directors, uh, all their movies and then like took that on a little, you know.

• 23:06Josh Horowitz?

  That on the journey, yes.

• 23:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, one on the journey. And um I'm imagining a tree, but anyway.

• 23:15Josh Horowitz?

  Do you remember the, the, what were the directors or actors you started to kind of get obsessed with back then? Like when you started to go through these little branches? Using your tree metaphor.

• 23:22Speaker 03

  I mean, I, the, the, the things that, the movies that I like really loved at, at, at, in adolescence were like Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and still do, but I just mean like the ones that I like uncovered around that age, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, that I do think are really formative years in terms of your taste. Um, I love like Eternal Sunshine. I love Kramer versus Kramer. I love Basketball Diaries. I loved, um. I mean, so many, but those were like, those are the first ones that I, that I just remember, like, like Harold Maud and

• 23:57Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 23:57Speaker 03

  Punch Drunk Love. Punch Drunk Love was huge, um. I I could keep going, but.

• 24:02Josh Horowitz?

  No, that that's a good list. What about on uh uh on kind of like the the more mainstream genre side? Like, were you a Harry Potter kid? Any of that?

• 24:10Speaker 03

  I loved Harry Potter. I read all those books when I I left. I read them late. I like left home at fourteen and went to a ballet boarding school. And I wanted like something cozy and wholesome to try to put me to sleep. So I read Harry Potter then. And then I actually watched them with Jack. It's funny that you brought that up because I'm doing an English accent next. So I'm only watching British TV and um movies for a while. So um that's the household rule. And Jack had never seen Harry Potter, so we watched all those over. I know. It was really fun over Christmas break.

• 24:42Josh Horowitz?

  Were you basically explaining everything as it went? Kind of like so that.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was like, well, this one, this this this next one really goes. You have to wait for this next scene. Like, come on. Yeah.

• 24:54Josh Horowitz?

  Alan Rickman isn't exactly as he seems. You may end up really empathizing with this guy.

• 25:00Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 25:03Josh Horowitz?

  Um, what's your favorite of the Harry Potter films?

• 25:06Speaker 03

  Four.

• 25:07Josh Horowitz?

  So it not ask about your, what would be Goblet of Fire? So?

• 25:10Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 25:11Josh Horowitz?

  Goblet of Fire.

• 25:12Speaker 03

  I think that's Goblet of Fire. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Goblet of Fire. Yeah.

• 25:15Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Any particular reason?

• 25:18Speaker 03

  Um, I just think like it really, I feel like one through three really set up the world and and you know all the characters by the time four. It's like this big kind of like epic within the world. I feel like they really take it to the next level. And I like that.

• 25:36Josh Horowitz?

  Fair enough. So, okay, we we know you were serious about dance. Um, what's the best dance film of all time? Are you a Step Up person? Were you on Magic?

• 25:45Speaker 03

  I love Step Up. I adore Step Up. Magic Mike is good, too, but Step Up's more my speed. I like more. I I lo- I get bored with there's not like a woman. Like, I need more women. I need more romance.

• 26:04Josh Horowitz?

  There's our pull quote of the of the day.

• 26:08Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, you you can you can challenge any actress or actor to a dance off on screen, Margaret.

• 26:13Speaker 03

  Who do I choose?

• 26:14Josh Horowitz?

  Good issues.

• 26:16Speaker 03

  Wait, but I didn't even answer my first, your first question.

• 26:18Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, go for it, go for it.

• 26:19Speaker 03

  Okay, wait, well, first, okay, maybe this is both, because this is my favorite dance movies.

• 26:25Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 26:25Speaker 03

  Okay, I've got a couple. Oh, I've got a lot, but Muvay Singh is actually one of my favorites. That there's like this incredible dance sequence that Denis Levant, am I saying that right? Does in it, and he, he's like one of the best dancers in the world. He's this French actor, dancer, like clown, who, he's the same guy that dances at the end of Beau Travie, Claire Denis' film.

• 26:49Josh Horowitz?

  Got it.

• 26:50Speaker 03

  And I'm obsessed with him. I'm obsessed with his physical work. He's a huge inspiration for me. But then, like, on the other side of things, if we're going more like

• 27:05Speaker 03

  American vibes, Center Stage was very formative to me. And get this, I, so I used to watch that movie all the time. I used to watch all the dance movies in the back of a minivan on the way to dance competitions in the weekends. I would like drive in my dance teacher's minivan and me and her daughter would watch dance movies on the way to these competitions in North and South Carolina. And so, you know, it's Flashdance, it's Center Stage, it's Step Up, it's you know, Grease, all, all those kinds of movies. And, uh, but Center Stage was certainly on the Rolodex and when I watched a million times. And then I auditioned for North Carolina School of the Arts to go off to do ballet at this boarding school.

• 27:46Speaker 03

  And the year that I auditioned was when Ethan Stiefel became dean of the school and then taught my audition class. And I was like, he's the guy that rides the motorcycle, that he's like the bad boy. And, um, that was a big moment for me. But yeah, so, but, okay, you then asked me who I would want to do a dance off with.

• 28:06Josh Horowitz?

  Yes, yep.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  I mean, maybe Denis Levant. He's, I don't know, I think he's alive and old, but.

• 28:14Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, you're, you're just suing someone old that you can beat. That's cruel.

• 28:18Speaker 03

  I think he'd still beat me. He's an amazing dancer. He's like, he's amazing.

• 28:24Josh Horowitz?

  Do you remember, um, early on, obviously, like, you're a second generation actor, we know that, like, you, you've been to premieres when you were a kid. I actually looked up on Getty the oldest photos I could find of you, and I found you at.

• 28:35Speaker 03

  I had like a bot, like a really short haircut, and I'm like.

• 28:38Josh Horowitz?

  Well, the, the more important thing is what, what premiere I saw you at. You were at the Breaking Dawn premiere. Were you a Twilight kid?

• 28:45Speaker 03

  I wasn't at a Breaking Dawn premiere.

• 28:47Josh Horowitz?

  You were. There's, there's photographic evidence.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  Really?

• 28:50Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. It was that special moment. You've blocked it out. I swear.

• 28:54Speaker 03

  I, no, I don't think that's true.

• 28:56Josh Horowitz?

  Breaking Dawn, it was a premiere in New York, 2011. I don't have the photo literally in front of me.

• 29:02Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 29:03Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Agree or disagree? It's okay.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 29:08Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, fair enough.

• 29:09Speaker 03

  I believe you, I guess, but it seems crazy. Like, I have no tie, like, my, why was my mom, was, there was my mom?

• 29:16Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  Why was she there?

• 29:18Josh Horowitz?

  I don't, maybe she a tryhard? I didn't know about that. I don't.

• 29:21Speaker 03

  I mean, I've seen the Twilight movies. I love the Twilight. I love Christmas Story. I love Robert Pattinson. Love Twilight. Love it all. Um, but I'm just shocked that I was there. I know I was at the premiere of Monte Carlo.

• 29:33Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, that's, was that, um, was that Emma? Who was in that? That was, uh?

• 29:38Speaker 03

  My mom and Selena Gomez.

• 29:39Josh Horowitz?

  Selena Gomez. That's who was, like, oh, your mom, of course. Yeah, yeah. So, okay, talk to me about this. I've, I've had a run of, like, these great second-generation actors, like John David Washington, Jack Quaid.

• 29:48Speaker 03

  That's a nice way of putting it.

• 29:51Josh Horowitz?

  What, second generation?

• 29:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:53Josh Horowitz?

  What's the, what's the bad way? I'm not gonna use the, yeah, whatever.

• 29:56Speaker 03

  You can call me a nepo baby.

• 29:57Josh Horowitz?

  You nepo baby. No, no, but, no, I mean, I, my point is, I've talked to a lot that have these great heads on their shoulders that have all, like, have a good attitude about it and, and are very much aware, when they went into auditions, early on, Lily Rose Depp just did the podcast, of like, when you walk into a room, there are expectations, and you, you must feel that early on. Was there, have you felt, you must in recent years felt that turning point where it kind of went from walking in with an expectation of who you were based on your parents versus who you are based on who you are? Has that, did that happen at, like, a discernible period in your acting career that you can pinpoint, or has it been kind of a slow evolution, or, or what?

• 30:38Speaker 03

  Um, I'm not sure. I, I guess, like, I always have.

• 30:48Speaker 03

  I think I just so desperately want to like be good, want to deserve to be in the room that I'm in. I want to work my ass off. Like, I love the feeling of working really hard. I love this like feeling of exhaustion from good, hard work and um you don't always get that, you know? Life can be exhausting when you're not working hard. Life can be exhausting in like all these different kind of stressful ways, but like there's something so pure about being able to put your heart into something and your mind into something, your body into something and and and really go for it. And so I guess that I've always

• 31:26Speaker 03

  had such a big drive to be able to do that, that and I oh and I am really hard on myself that I always feel like I'm harder on myself than anyone else in the room. And so it kind of doesn't matter. Like you've eh eh eh yeah, like think the worst. Me too. I'm way, I'm way ahead of you. And then some. That's adorable. Oh yeah, babes. Cute. Welcome up here. Yeah.

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• 33:11Josh Horowitz?

  One turning point has to be, I mean, I feel like I only talk to the young stars of Once Upon A Time in Hollywood nowadays because like, you know.

• 33:19Speaker 03

  How crazy is that, right?

• 33:21Josh Horowitz?

  It's crazy to look, it's only five years.

• 33:23Speaker 03

  Quentin's got quite the eye. Or maybe, I don't know, it's like, what came first, the chicken or the egg? Like, is it, is it, did he see all, you know, did he see Mikey Madison and Sidney Sweeney and Austin Butler and think, these are gonna be, uh, big movie stars? Or did he put them in his movie and then they became like, big movie stars?

• 33:44Josh Horowitz?

  A little bit of both. I mean, are you surprised, are you surprised that the trajectory of any of them, of any of them in particular?

• 33:49Speaker 03

  No, not at all. Not at all. Not at all. No, I think, like, they're all insanely talented and cool.

• 33:59Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. Do you, do you find that you're gravitating, we talked about kind of the scripts you're gravitating towards, whether you know it or not, whether the universe is pulling you towards the weird, even if you're saying you don't want the weird?

• 34:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:11Josh Horowitz?

  What about director wise? Because again, you're kind of collecting all the cool kids.

• 34:15Speaker 03

  Well, no, I mean, yeah, actually.

• 34:20Josh Horowitz?

  Accept it.

• 34:21Speaker 03

  I, I, which way do I go here? Humble or true?

• 34:27Speaker 03

  No, because I could give it up to the directors because the directors are amazing. So yeah, you're right.

• 34:30Josh Horowitz?

  Yes.

• 34:30Speaker 03

  Um, I'm really lucky. Um, I, I guess I just wanna feel safe, you know? And like, I wanna really trust the director. So if I can work with someone that I know knows better than me, it's a very good feeling, you know, because I, I am hard on myself. I will keep myself up all night thinking about coulda, woulda, shoulda, and how to do right, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But if I've got someone, uh, steering the ship that I know is incredibly capable, then those voices get, uh, a bit quieter and my life gets better.

• 35:08Josh Horowitz?

  So I actually had Billy Eichner on the other day. He mentioned that you've seen apparently the second, your second in the

• 35:13Speaker 03

  I have.

• 35:14Josh Horowitz?

  In the trilogy, as it were, from Ethan and Trisha. So how is, how is Honey Don't? Give me your, your

• 35:20Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 35:21Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 35:22Speaker 03

  I love it. Well, I adore Ethan and Drish. Um, talking of like capable, uh, steering of ship, there's, that's the most fun. It's like, It's just, it's a vibe, you know, you just wanna be there and um they're such great people. I love them as humans. I love them as artists and uh I think he would like they both like scoff even hearing me say the word artist. They're just making fun of everything that they do, everything that I do, everything that we do as humans and that's what I love about them. And absolutely brilliant and I'm yeah, I'm really excited about the movie. And yeah.

• 36:06Josh Horowitz?

  You could probably describe some of those adjectives to Richard Linklater, who's kind of like the chillest, the low-key brilliant filmmaker we have. It's just sort of like the, he's a vibe.

• 36:14Speaker 03

  He's a vibe. Totally. I got to, I mean, talk about movies that I, you know, grew up loving the Sunset Trilogy and then Boyhood was super huge for me because I'm the same age as the guy in Boyhood. And so as he's aging in the world, those were the same things, markers that were happening in the world while I was in seventh grade, while I was, when my parents were getting divorced at the same age that his parents were getting a divorce. And I, you know, it was like so surreal for me to watch that movie. And I actually saw one of my dear friends, Phil Ettinger, was in First Reformed. He's the guy that killed himself in First Reformed. And um, not in real life. And love you, Phil.

• 36:59Speaker 03

  And I'm sorry. And I saw Ethan Hawke at that premiere and like was just so uh starstruck and told him how much I loved him and ran away. And then cut to 10 years later, I got to do a movie with him and Richard Linklater. And it was just like, well, okay, that's amazing. That's okay. Life is real, what?

• 37:27Josh Horowitz?

  You're manifesting things left and right. I know a lot of people are excited for you, maybe not as excited as you are for yourself that you did Happy Gilmore 2. Congratulations.

• 37:35Speaker 03

  I am, yeah, I, that's, that's the best thing that's ever happened to me. I brought my, yeah, it's the best things that happened to me. I brought my dad to the Globes, the Golden Globes. And I sound like such an asshole saying the Globes. I brought my dad to the Golden Globes. And uh, he got to meet Adam Sandler, who's like,

• 37:55Speaker 03

  I I mean, I think it's kind of like this for everyone, but in my family, like Adam Sandler is the best guy in the world like.

• 38:00Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 38:01Speaker 03

  You wanna, you wanna, you wanna be like him, you wanna marry him, you want, uh, he's the best, you want your kids to be like him, you want, yeah, everyone, he's just, he's the best. So, uh, we, I mean, also my dad's from Wisconsin, so there's like the Chris Farley affinity and, um, anyway. My dad met Sandler and my dad goes, I can't even talk to you, man, I can't even talk to you. It was like the cutest thing I've ever seen, um.

• 38:31Josh Horowitz?

  Amazing. And and Adam's one of those guys that is exactly who you want him to be. He like, he's just that guy.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's the best. I like, I feel like my whole life in press has just become talking about Adam Sandler and I don't mind it.

• 38:44Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, why not?

• 38:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:48Josh Horowitz?

  At what point did you confess to him that Jack had lied on your behalf? Or was there a point where you said, actually, I don't know how to golf?

• 38:53Speaker 03

  By the way, I can't golf. Um, luckily, it wasn't, I wasn't, uh, like, it wasn't a huge, I was, I do golf in the film, not to give away anything, but it wasn't like a, I don't think, ah, you know, I'll just shut up, I just won't even, I'll just move on. Uh, I admitted that pretty quickly because I didn't want to get myself into hot water. Um, I admitted it before I showed up and I took lots of lessons. I'm still bad, but I did, I did try.

• 39:24Josh Horowitz?

  Good for you. She's always willing to go for it. What, um, what, what, what can we manifest in our closing moments for you, Margaret? Okay, so what, what, what filmmaker you want to work with, actor you want to work with? We talked a little bit about kind of the more of a rom com kind of thing perhaps, but let's, let's secret some stuff into the universe. What do we want?

• 39:41Speaker 03

  Okay. Um, let's, let's secret some stuff in the universe. Um, well, I, I want to choose this right.

• 39:52Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, you, you don't want to waste your wish, your happy, sad, confused, magical wish.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  I don't know. I, I, I want to do, I want to do like, to be honest, what I really want to do is like, like a big love story and like, I mean, who doesn't want like, I'd like.

• 40:13Speaker 03

  You know, you want like the notebooky kind of thing. You want like, like one of those like epic love stories. I want one of those.

• 40:20Josh Horowitz?

  A little Walla Land notebooky vibe.

• 40:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:23Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:24Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 40:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:26Josh Horowitz?

  Someone like Margaret Kiss in the Rain.

• 40:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:29Josh Horowitz?

  Like a sweeping.

• 40:29Speaker 03

  I wanna Kiss in the Rain.

• 40:31Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 40:31Speaker 03

  That's all. Just I'll, I'll, I'll do that one. I think the rest I can manifest in my journal. I'm like, I don't have to work too hard on getting like, you know, the sociopaths, the ones that.

• 40:43Josh Horowitz?

  You got that locked down.

• 40:45Speaker 03

  Crazy or whatever. Like those I feel like if I'm, yeah, I don't know. I'll manifest some sweet and stuff.

• 40:54Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. If you need a gig, just like, yeah, give me, give me psychopath number three. I'm ready.

• 41:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:01Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Happy sad confused profoundly random questions to round it out. Uh, I think I know the answer to the first one. Dogs or cats?

• 41:08Speaker 03

  Dogs.

• 41:10Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, what do you collect, if anything?

• 41:15Speaker 03

  Dreams.

• 41:17Josh Horowitz?

  You almost sold me. You almost had me.

• 41:23Speaker 03

  What do I collect?

• 41:27Speaker 03

  I don't know that I collect. I'm, I'm kind of getting rid of things all the time. I might not collect anything.

• 41:32Josh Horowitz?

  That's good.

• 41:32Speaker 03

  I used to collect rocks, but what kid didn't collect rocks? And I used to like, I was, I used to lug them around from one apartment to the next. And then I'd eventually, I just poured them all on Washington Square Park.

• 41:47Josh Horowitz?

  Happy ending. Um, I don't know if you're a gamer. Do you have a favorite video game of all time?

• 41:54Speaker 03

  I do not, but I'm in a video game. I'm in Death Stranding, so I'll say that.

• 41:58Josh Horowitz?

  Kojima. Yeah. I mean, come on.

• 42:00Speaker 03

  Love him.

• 42:01Josh Horowitz?

  Get a lot of, a lot of gamer cred by working in that with that guy. Come on.

• 42:05Speaker 03

  I couldn't play the game, but I can tell you, I could read you the instructions.

• 42:11Josh Horowitz?

  Did you, you never played it after you were in it?

• 42:14Speaker 03

  I haven't played the game. I'm, I can't, I don't have the brain for that.

• 42:18Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 42:18Speaker 03

  I, but it's like gonna let people down probably. So, yeah.

• 42:23Josh Horowitz?

  What's the wallpaper on your phone?

• 42:26Speaker 03

  A photo of Jack holding Smokey.

• 42:30Josh Horowitz?

  There you go.

• 42:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:33Josh Horowitz?

  Worst noted director has ever given you?

• 42:38Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 42:39Josh Horowitz?

  What's not helpful? What's been the moment where you're like?

• 42:42Speaker 03

  I think like.

• 42:46Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 42:49Josh Horowitz?

  We're not naming names. It's okay.

• 42:50Speaker 03

  Okay. I hope she doesn't see this because she had really good intentions, but I remember someone whispering in my ear. Shame, shame, shame. And I was like.

• 43:03Josh Horowitz?

  I love that so much.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  And it made me laugh. You know, I knew what she was going for. I was like, but um, but uh, it made me laugh.

• 43:14Josh Horowitz?

  Again, you're like, you're like, I hear that in my ear anyway. I don't need you to say it. I feel that.

• 43:19Speaker 03

  I got you, babe. Yep. Lots of it. All over.

• 43:25Josh Horowitz?

  And then I promise this is it. Actor who makes you happy. Happy second views. Actor that makes you happy.

• 43:30Speaker 03

  Adam Sandler.

• 43:31Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, that's the correct answer.

• 43:33Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 43:34Josh Horowitz?

  Movie, movie that makes you sad.

• 43:37Speaker 03

  Um. Old Yeller.

• 43:41Josh Horowitz?

  Wow. Old school. Okay. How old are you, Margaret?

• 43:49Speaker 03

  Have you ever cried harder in a movie than Old Yeller?

• 43:51Josh Horowitz?

  I don't know if I've ever seen it. I know it's supposed to make you cry. Yeah. Now that I'm a dog owner, I definitely won't. I don't need that. I'm not going to watch that.

• 43:58Speaker 03

  Prepare to be destroyed. But dogs dying in a movie really gets me. Like when the dog dies in I Am Legend.

• 44:05Speaker 03

  I can cry just thinking about it.

• 44:08Josh Horowitz?

  Take a moment. No. And a food that's shame, shame. And a food that makes you confused.

• 44:17Speaker 03

  Um.

• 44:20Speaker 03

  A food that makes me confused.

• 44:22Josh Horowitz?

  You don't get it. Why do people eat that? Why is that even on a menu?

• 44:25Speaker 03

  Oh. Oh, I was like, I don't know. I guess pomegranates are kind of hard to open.

• 44:33Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, the physical act of eating them is hard. No, I mean, you can take it that way.

• 44:37Speaker 03

  Um, a food that makes me confused. Why do, uh, any kind of like weird fusion?

• 44:45Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Yeah, just be.

• 44:48Speaker 03

  I don't want like, yeah, I don't want.

• 44:51Josh Horowitz?

  Be one thing or the other.

• 44:52Speaker 03

  Mexican sushi.

• 44:52Josh Horowitz?

  Mexicans.

• 44:55Josh Horowitz?

  I don't need guacamole on my raw fish. No, no, I get it. No, it makes sense. You aced it.

• 45:01Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 45:02Josh Horowitz?

  Congratulations on surviving your first happy second fuse. It's been long overdue. Congratulations, honestly. You know, I'm a fan and you just killed it in this movie. Thank you, thank you.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me.

• 45:13Josh Horowitz?

  Um, everybody, if you haven't seen The Substance by now, check it out. What are you doing with your lives? And, um, and I'll see you soon at another silly award show, hopefully.

• 45:21Speaker 03

  I look forward to it.

• 45:23Josh Horowitz?

  Thank you, Margaret. I appreciate you.

• 45:25Speaker 03

  Go give your dog extra love.

• 45:27Josh Horowitz?

  I know I tortured her in the interest of.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  No, it was really cute.

• 45:33Josh Horowitz?

  She was not in the mood. Lucy's usually much more chill.

• 45:36Speaker 03

  Wait, Smokey can say goodbye.

• 45:39Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, Smokey.

• 45:41Speaker 03

  Goodbye.

• 45:42Josh Horowitz?

  When you're back in New York, I'm going to introduce Lucy to Smokey one of these days. We'll see if they get along.

• 45:47Speaker 03

  That sounds good. Thank you, Josh.

• 45:50Speaker 04

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