Galaxy Quest 25th Anniversary Reunion with Sam Rockwell & Justin Long

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• 1:07Josh Horowitz?

  I'm Josh Horowitz and today on Happy, Sad, Confused, let me take you back, friends. 25 years ago, Christmas Day, 1999, one of the great years in film history. And it was capped off with one of the great sci-fi comedies of all time, maybe the greatest. A loving homage to Star Trek, celebrity, fan culture, featuring a note-perfect ensemble. Today, Happy, Sad, Confused celebrates Galaxy Quest with two of our very own all-stars. By Grab Star's Hammer, it's Sam Rockwell and Justin Wong. Yeah!

• 1:42Josh Horowitz?

  Guys.

• 1:43Speaker 04

  Get up for this.

• 1:45Josh Horowitz?

  It's standing O, walking in the house.

• 1:49Speaker 04

  I feel like I should stand.

• 1:51Speaker 05

  Well, you know, when you get older, guys, you gotta stretch out your back and, you know.

• 1:56Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:57Speaker 05

  It's not 1999 anymore.

• 1:59Speaker 04

  Oh, man.

• 1:59Josh Horowitz?

  You were, uh, how old were you? You were 31.

• 2:03Speaker 05

  31, yeah, that sounds about right. You were 18, right? And then we did a play together in Williamstown a couple of years later.

• 2:11Speaker 04

  Yes, that's right. I had never met Sam and I was, everyone, everyone talked about Sam, the transpo guys. They were like, oh yeah, there's this actor Sam Rockwell and everybody. I remember people kind of buzzing about him. But I, and I had

• 2:27Speaker 05

  Buzz buzz.

• 2:28Speaker 04

  Buzzed about, but I'd heard the name, but um, no, Sam, but Sam was the one that I like. Connect, he kind of took me under his wing, you know, and um. He was my buddy on the movie because it was all so new to me.

• 2:43Speaker 05

  I felt like the first time we connected was at the Palladium. Maybe, yes, because we had more stuff together at the Palladium.

• 2:50Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:53Speaker 04

  A couple of days at least.

• 2:57Speaker 05

  No, the Palladium was a bunch of, bunch of extras, bunch of, bunch of actors and, and huge scenes, really fun scenes.

• 3:05Speaker 04

  Was that the word, the convention stuff was on?

• 3:07Speaker 05

  Yes, yes. The, the beginning and the end of the film we shot there. So.

• 3:13Speaker 04

  And I had a scene, Sam, that got cut that, that I was bummed about because it was, um. You guys kind of improvised. That's when I, it's the first time I saw somebody really like improvising like without any, I think there were, I, I think I asked like a very particular question.

• 3:31Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 3:32Speaker 04

  And, um, you know, like in episode 14, uh, I noticed that the Kermatians were not thermal regulated. And, and he gave an answer like, I, I, he gave an answer that satisfied me. Um, and then Sam goes, how, how do you remember that? How do you remember all that? And, and Tony's

• 3:54Speaker 05

  Wow, wow, wow.

• 3:55Speaker 04

  He said, I don't, I make it up. He just goes, I make it up. I, I remember he, he said, I use, I think this is all improvised. He goes, I use a lot of consonants. And then one take, he goes, I use a lot of consonants is, is like he added. Yeah, I thought it was so genius. Like he added an extra consonant. The word consonants.

• 4:17Josh Horowitz?

  So you, okay, so this is the first film for Justin. Sam, you, you've been on a bit of a run. You'd been establishing yourself. Where were you at, as you recall? Because you, by my math, Safe Men had happened, Green Mile, maybe you were about to do or had just done. So was

• 4:33Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 4:34Josh Horowitz?

  Was this a tough choice? Was this, I mean, you know, this is a nice role, but you are like the eighth lead in a, in a film. Like, was this kind of a debate at the time?

• 4:44Speaker 05

  A debate as far as which, as far as doing the part?

• 4:46Josh Horowitz?

  Like, like, like, are you, you know, are you ready for something a little bit more elevated, a more high profile part in a film like this? Or was this, was the script so strong, you were excited or what?

• 4:55Speaker 05

  I don't, you know, to be honest, I auditioned for, I, I kind of got talked into auditioning because I went down to see Debbie Zane. And, but you know, I initially was supposed to do this independent film with Marisa Tomei. I was supposed to do a lead role. I think Denofri ended up doing it. It was kind of a Starman kind of part. I was really excited about it. The director, Brad Anderson. Anyway, I, so I was really, I was very snooty about comedy back then and being, playing like a goofball. You know, I didn't want to, I didn't see sort of, I was sort of like, but then, you know, I realized, I realized that I was being idiotic.

• 5:37Speaker 05

  Because I, I actually said no, once I got the part and Dean called me. And I may probably sound like an asshole right now telling this story, but I,

• 5:48Josh Horowitz?

  No, that was.

• 5:50Speaker 05

  Do you remember this, Justin?

• 5:52Josh Horowitz?

  I knew that you were reluctant to do it and

• 5:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:55Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 5:56Speaker 05

  Tony, Tony, Tony Shalhoub and I were sort of like, we want to be serious actors. He had just done Big Night. I don't know what the fuck I'd done. And I was like, I want to be Sean Penn. But then I was like,

• 6:10Speaker 05

  You know, I think Office Space was around at that time and Steve Zahn and I were up for that and but I was not wanting to be, you know, in the comedic realm. I thought that I wouldn't be taken seriously or something. And then, you know, and then I was reminded that Sean Penn did Fast Times at Ridgemont High and that, you know, that that's silly of me. And so I think it was coming. I knew that would come out the same time as Green Mile. And I thought, oh, that might be nice. Like the juxtaposition of those two characters. And so, but I was actually very young for the part. The part was supposed to be older. He was supposed to be sort of as old, you know, age appropriate to Tim Allen, Sigourney. And so they had to kind of age me up. They slicked

• 6:54Speaker 05

  back my hair. They gave me a mustache. And then, you know, I watched Bill Paxton and Aliens and I watched, oh, Michael Keaton in Night Shift. That was a big thing. But yeah, so then, you know, I was like, kind of reluctant to do it. And then I was glad I did it.

• 7:15Speaker 04

  Bill Paxton in that freak out scene. I remember you told me that because that scene, I've always loved that scene where you're like, really, that was one of the first times that that lesson is so important to when you're doing a comedy that you and you do this and Vince Vaughn does. You treat it like any anything else. You don't treat it like it's a comedy. You don't act it like it's a comedy. And that scene where you think you're gonna die is like.

• 7:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, on the spaceship. Yeah.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  Harrowing. Like, really, it's funny because but it's but it's you that you ride that line. And I remember you telling me that Bill Paxton was an inspiration.

• 7:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, I had a bunch of caffeine. I had too much caffeine for that scene. I loaded up on like Excedrin, Mochachinos, Coca Cola. Like, I really went a little too far with that. And I and I couldn't get to sleep that night. And I had to chug a few beers. I was I was so out of my mind. I think I actually had a panic attack from the caffeine.

• 8:13Speaker 04

  Educational, an educational podcast.

• 8:16Josh Horowitz?

  Balancing out. Yeah, yeah, it's all good.

• 8:18Speaker 05

  So kids at home, easy on the caffeine when you're acting.

• 8:22Josh Horowitz?

  And if you're gonna do a lot of caffeine, just have a few beers and it'll.

• 8:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:28Josh Horowitz?

  So Justin, this is okay.

• 8:29Speaker 05

  Up and down, up and down. But no, I met Justin. He was so beautiful. Justin was so beautiful.

• 8:35Speaker 04

  And now look at me.

• 8:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, look at him. He's fantastic. We went and we met Phil Hoffman and he he was flipped out. We saw the Deep Blue Sea at the Cinemarama Dome and Phil was there and fucking Justin just flipped out over Phil.

• 8:52Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, was this the first time you met Phil Hoffman?

• 8:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:56Speaker 04

  As Sam had been referencing him as my friend Phil, you know, and I don't think I I must have put it together that it was Phil Hoffman. But he came to set first. Remember he had that he had an Allman Brothers shirt on, I remember. And I thought it was weird to see him in like, because now you you see like people you admire, actors and stuff on like, you see more of them in the world on social media and stuff, but he was such a mystery to me. He was such a, I was I was so fascinated by him as a I had never considered much about him as a person. And it was so weird to see him as a real person in the world.

• 9:31Speaker 05

  You know, when you think about Phil, like Phil could play any role in Galaxy Quest, aside from maybe to get the Sigourney Weaver part. But like, if you say you could cast him in just about any one of our roles and he would pull it off. You know, if you think.

• 9:45Josh Horowitz?

  Is it, Justin, I've heard you say somewhere in an earlier interview that actually Scotty from Boogie Nights was an inspiration.

• 9:51Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:51Josh Horowitz?

  Brandon. Was was he on your mind? Did Phil ever know that?

• 9:57Speaker 04

  I don't think I ever told him that. I don't think I had the nerve to tell him that, but.

• 10:00Speaker 05

  You did do an impression of him at El Compadre.

• 10:04Speaker 04

  So Sam.

• 10:05Speaker 05

  Anyway, we digress.

• 10:06Josh Horowitz?

  No, this is all digressions.

• 10:09Speaker 04

  That's the pot, the name of the podcast, literally.

• 10:11Josh Horowitz?

  Well, digressions, yeah.

• 10:12Speaker 04

  Anyway, we digress. Back to anyway, we digress.

• 10:14Speaker 05

  Anyway, we we digress.

• 10:16Speaker 04

  Well, no, no, Sam. So that day was really special to me because what was that? Whoa.

• 10:22Speaker 05

  Whoa.

• 10:23Speaker 04

  Look at his feet up.

• 10:26Josh Horowitz?

  Try to be more comfortable, Sam.

• 10:27Speaker 05

  I'm impaired.

• 10:30Speaker 04

  And where was I?

• 10:34Speaker 04

  But he came to, and that was cool. And I felt a little cheesy asking to, we took a picture together. And then we all went to, yeah, the cinema, cinema Ramadone to see Deep Blue Sea with Tim Allen. And Tim Allen-

• 10:49Speaker 05

  Oh, my God. Tim was there?

• 10:51Speaker 04

  Tim came. Tim was sitting-

• 10:52Speaker 05

  Oh, my God.

• 10:53Speaker 04

  Like near Phil, like either next to him or right in front of him. And I was so fascinated by, because I hadn't seen Tim Allen in the world. And I was like, this is weird that he's just going to a movie. And I thought that was like, I don't know, I, it was all new to me. And, um, and Phil, they started kind of like making jokes about the movie. Making each other laugh, you know?

• 11:15Speaker 05

  During, during the movie, yeah.

• 11:17Speaker 04

  During the movie. And, and they both had such like hearty, unique laughs. And, and it was so fun to just hear them laugh, like make each other laugh. I remember there's like a scene where Sam Jackson has this big speech, you know, and then he gets just swallowed up by a, and oh my God, Phil was dying. He was, he was laughing so hard. And Tim Allen, and then we all, we all went to Padre and, and I was still too nervous around him to like really be, you know, comfortable and easy. And Sam, who was always so supportive of like, because I love to do impressions and stuff. And, um, Sam was like, oh, hey, hey, Phil, hey, Justin does a great impression of you.

• 11:58Speaker 04

  You gotta see it. Do it, do it. And, and, um, I was like, no, he goes, oh, yeah, let me, let me see it. And I, and I couldn't do it. I was too nervous to do it. And I said, oh, no, you know, and I got really nervous. And, um, and then I felt like I let Sam down. I let, you know, because I, I chickened out. And then we had a bunch of tequila shots and, uh,

• 12:19Speaker 05

  You know, when you imitate me and Phil, our IQs go down just a little bit.

• 12:27Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Well, this was a long time ago. Uh, you were.

• 12:33Josh Horowitz?

  Were either of you guys Star Trek guys? I mean, this is, I think.

• 12:37Speaker 05

  You know, I think I'm more of a Star Trek guy now, but I.

• 12:40Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 12:41Speaker 05

  I was definitely like Wrath of Khan and the one with the whales in San Francisco. Like I was big on those. Yeah. And I like the show, the original show. Yeah.

• 12:49Josh Horowitz?

  I think the, one of the many reasons people love this, and I was like a big, big time Trekkie growing up is like, this is like a great, it's like, it doesn't, yes, obviously it's, it's, it's having fun with Star Trek, but it, it stands on its own as like almost a great Star Trek film. It's been ranked alongside Star Trek films, almost as like the lost great Star Trek film. Um, have you encountered over the years? I mean, you've encountered a lot of fandom. That's why we're still talking about this 25 years later. Like, what do you get from Star Trek slash Galaxy Quest fans? What do they want to say to you or ask you in the, in many?

• 13:22Speaker 05

  There's just a lot of love for that movie, you know, it, it, it did okay. It did, it actually was, I think it was number one, but that doesn't mean anything. It was sort of like, it fizzled out and we thought it was, we went to the premiere at the Chinese Grammys. Remember Justin, I think we all thought it was going to be like the new Ghostbusters.

• 13:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:40Speaker 05

  Cause it was, it was such an amazing premiere, you know? Everybody was flipping out like la, it was just, it was sensational. So we were like, oh, we're in Ghostbusters.

• 13:52Josh Horowitz?

  Can I, can I show you, Sam? I looked up photos from the premiere. I found a good photo of you. You want to see what you looked like then?

• 13:58Speaker 05

  Yes, I do.

• 14:00Speaker 04

  Oh my God.

• 14:02Speaker 05

  Oh God, help us all.

• 14:03Josh Horowitz?

  I think I was wearing a leather jacket.

• 14:05Speaker 05

  Oh, God.

• 14:06Josh Horowitz?

  Justin, there's no photo of you on.

• 14:07Speaker 05

  That guy needs, that guy needs a stylist.

• 14:10Speaker 04

  There is no, I had no, nobody knew I was there.

• 14:15Speaker 05

  Were you at the premiere, Justin? You were, you were there, right?

• 14:18Speaker 04

  I was there, but no, I didn't do, I wasn't in any photos. I was no.

• 14:22Josh Horowitz?

  Cole and Dylan Sprouse were there though. They made it.

• 14:24Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 14:25Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 14:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, because it was a daytime one, right, Sammy? It was.

• 14:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. It's kid's style.

• 14:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. But Sam and I didn't, we, we like, I, I hung out, he introduced me to a bunch of his friends, you know, it was so great. It was so kind of him to like, um, really take me in, uh, cause it was also new, but I, we really got to know each other better the summer, the next summer. We did a play.

• 14:49Speaker 05

  We stayed in the same, uh, house.

• 14:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:53Josh Horowitz?

  That'll bond you.

• 14:54Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, that's a fun experience because he, I remember running lines with you, Sam, and you were doing, which was just on TV the other day, Heist. I loved that movie.

• 15:03Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:04Josh Horowitz?

  David Mamet, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:06Speaker 05

  And you were going to do Jeepers Creepers after that.

• 15:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, and Sam was kind enough to like, so I was so excited to run lines with him because there were, you know, because, and by then I had seen, I would become like a huge fan of Sam's. I was, I'd seen Lawn Dogs and, I mean Lawn Dogs and Safe Men and Boxer Moonlight, like those three were really important movies for me and, and then Green Mile had come out, so you know, you just saw like, it was just, the range was just so wild and, and the play we were

• 15:37Josh Horowitz?

  The schmack thing, you just saw all the schmack thing?

• 15:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, the schmack, the level of, I didn't know that schmack thing could reach those heights. No, no, I was so like, I was such, I was really like a student of his and, and and so when he asked me to run lines with him, I was so excited, you know, again, it was that great David Mamet stuff. And then he said, he knew I was doing Jeepers Creep, this horror movie afterwards and, and he said, well, let's run those lines. And I was so embarrassed because they were like, by, you know, comparison, they were just like, kind of,

• 16:04Josh Horowitz?

  Help!

• 16:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, we gotta get out of here.

• 16:08Josh Horowitz?

  That classic David Mamet line, help me.

• 16:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. Shut up, sis.

• 16:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, so, and he said, and he saw that I was a little like self-conscious about it and he said, and it was such good advice, I never forgot it, he said, and he looked at me right in the eyes and he said, hey, listen, you gotta treat this like it's fucking Hamlet. And, and it was a good, it was a really good lesson to not be precious, you know, because, because since then I've done a lot of like movies that aren't good, you know, you do movies that aren't good and my favorite actors are always, they're always good, even in, in bad things, you know, they always like rise above it and I think it's because of that mentality.

• 16:53Josh Horowitz?

  Well, I think you're also hitting upon something that, look, luckily the script was great for this, but like the amazing ensemble, they're all like so fully committed and playing it straight and not winking at the camera. And you've got, obviously Sigourney, but Tony Shalhoub, we mentioned earlier, Enrico's amazing in it. I mean, we haven't mentioned Alan Rickman, these are all folks. That are just next level in this. I mean, honestly, like Tim Allen, like take or leave Tim Allen's work, but this is like my favorite Tim Allen performance by far. Yeah, yeah. He was great.

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• 20:58Josh Horowitz?

  Let's talk about Rick Mint for a second, because this is like...

• 21:01Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:02Josh Horowitz?

  What did you make of when you saw what he was doing? Do you have any recollection, Sam, of...

• 21:07Speaker 05

  Well, he was kind of the, um, he was a little bit of the Wrangler in helping Dean kind of wrangle all of us who were a little... Him and Sigourney sort of started to kind of lead the, that, that, those, whatever you want to call those, Daryl, me, Tim, Tony, Sigourney.

• 21:31Josh Horowitz?

  The boys and the four.

• 21:32Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, that, that, those, that center crew. And then, you know, um... You know, the aliens, the head, I'm spacing on, you know, Enrico, Enrico.

• 21:45Josh Horowitz?

  Enrico, yeah.

• 21:46Speaker 05

  And Missy Pyle and Blaine.

• 21:49Speaker 05

  Yes, yes. And, and, and, um, yes, there was Peter,

• 21:56Speaker 05

  Patrick, Patrick, Patty Breen, who had just done Substance of Fire.

• 22:02Speaker 05

  Brilliant stage actor. He was in it. He does the, he rocks the, by Grab Star's Hammer at the end when Alan Goodman's character dies. And then, you know, he, and then Alan, no, no, Patty Breen dies and then Alan rocks it dramatically. He rocks the line dramatically. And then, um, you know, but, but Enrico came up with that way of talking.

• 22:23Josh Horowitz?

  Oh.

• 22:24Speaker 05

  That was his creation, you know, and, and then Alan was sort of, Alan and Sigourney were like the, the sort of thespians.

• 22:31Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 22:32Speaker 05

  And then there was Daryl and Tim were the comedians. So, and then me and Tony were like the independent film actors. And, um, a stage slash stage actors. And then,

• 22:45Speaker 05

  but you know, because Sigourney and Alan were theater actors as well. We were sort of, you know, trying to be somewhat serious, I suppose, or, or be, you know, responsible. But then we started making line changes and then Tim, you know, I, the reason, I, I think some people were like trepidatious about Tim. I think Alec Baldwin was talked about. And then, but I, I remember seeing, uh, the Santa movie. What's that movie he did?

• 23:13Josh Horowitz?

  Santa Claus. Yeah.

• 23:14Speaker 05

  Oh, yes. Well, thank you. Thank you.

• 23:17Josh Horowitz?

  World's biggest Santa Claus fan. Yeah.

• 23:19Speaker 05

  The tip of my tongue. And, uh, so, you know, I saw him in that and I was like, oh, I knew he could do it because I saw that and I was like, wow, this, this guy's great. In these movies, I never watched this TV show he was on. I just watched the Santa Claus movie and I was like, this guy can totally pull this off. And that's why. I really had a lot of, I was very optimistic about the chances the movie had. So, and Dean was just lovely, just the loveliest man, you know, and then.

• 23:51Josh Horowitz?

  This is the director, Dean Parasone?

• 23:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, you know, and then, you know, Justin had his crew of people and then there was these little, then there were the aliens, you know, it was like, it was, it was so cool, man.

• 24:04Josh Horowitz?

  Justin, did you feel like you were like kinda on your own? Cause like, were you watching it for like the 15th time? I'm like, well, Justin's kind of like just in his bedroom a lot, talking on the phone, like.

• 24:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was, that was my first day on set was in the bedroom and I'm, I'm, I'm grateful that I was, I had that. I don't know if they did that deliberately, cause they knew how green I was. But I'm glad that I got through that day. I was very serious. I, you know, I studied so hard and I was, Josh, back, I was really like anxious and so, you know, I wanted to, to, to do well and I wanted to, it felt like such an opportunity that I wanted to really like make the most of it. And so I was so nervous and, and it actually really like helped in terms of the character.

• 24:51Speaker 04

  Cause I was able to, I was able to channel like a lot of the nerves and, and the seriousness into who that got. That, that kid is just very serious. He's very serious about like, he's very convicted, but, but anxious, you know? So I, I was able to just use it for like a better, that's why I, I had mentioned, and I was watching a lot of like Phil, yeah, I was watching Scotty and I thought a lot about, like the comic book guy in The Simpsons who's very, no, this is the worst death ever. You know, there's something very serious about. And

• 25:30Speaker 05

  What's the documentary, though, that we saw, Justin? Trekkies?

• 25:33Speaker 04

  Trekkies, yeah.

• 25:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, that that helped a lot.

• 25:36Speaker 04

  That helped a lot. After that first day, I was gonna say, Dean, the director, I I said, you know, I'm like going, I'm like afraid I'm I don't want it to be too character-y or like I'm going too far with his like militant like nerdiness, you know, and and he gave me a tape of that documentary and he said, watch this. And there's a guy in that who is your character sort of based on and and I think the same name, this guy who's very, you know, I think his name's Brandon. He said if the the epaulettes on this, he's just very serious about it, are a millimeter off and it's bothering me somewhat. There's there's obvious like, you know, there's like a compulsion.

• 26:16Speaker 05

  Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. That's so awesome.

• 26:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was so helpful. I thought, oh, I could even go further. This this guy is really convicted and dedicated because to answer your earlier question, Josh, I was never like a Trekkie. I was never that into Star Trek. I was loved Star Wars. I was huge into Star Wars, but I never, yeah, I never, I I was at Comic Con, I saw those movies, Search for Spock, but I I wasn't like a Trekkie by any means. So I didn't.

• 26:43Speaker 05

  I love the Chris Pine. Star Treks too, with Zachary and those guys. Yeah, the JJ crushed that, man.

• 26:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're great. But as a kid, I wasn't, I didn't quite understand the level and I didn't know the level fandom until um, and and since I've been to like conventions, like movie conventions or horror conventions, and I understand how passionate people are, but at the time, it was it was a totally like new world to me.

• 27:09Josh Horowitz?

  It's so funny. Yeah, I was thinking about it. Like you probably, both of you who have done so many Comic Con since first depicted a fake Comic Con in a movie and then have now lived the life depicted in the movie, essentially.

• 27:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:22Josh Horowitz?

  Do either of you guys? Yeah, sorry, Justin, go ahead.

• 27:25Speaker 04

  Well, I was gonna say, when we shot at the Palladium, they used a lot of those background actors as extras were, they were also science fiction fans. Sam, is that true? Am I making that up?

• 27:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think you're right. There were some real fans there, I feel like. I think, I think you're right.

• 27:40Speaker 04

  They were real fans and um

• 27:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:43Speaker 04

  And they, and they, I, I've told this story before, but, but I was so like new, it was also new to me that um that there was a complicated shot, like the first time I'd ever been involved in this shot was, it was a crane shot and it was, it was showing the, the the spacecraft had crashed, landed into the stage, smoke coming out and everything. And it was just like a reveal of that. And they wanted me to run through a crowd of people, of bystanders and um get to the front of the stage with my friends. And um Dean said, here's the path you take and it's a really simple shot. Like you don't have to worry about anything. All you're doing is really running.

• 28:20Speaker 04

  And one of the background actors saw that I was green and they said, um hey, maybe, um, maybe we have like a special handshake, you know, like we're friends. And, and I was like, and I had only done like theater. So the actors collaborate and like, and I was like, oh, okay, sure, you know, and and so he's like, okay, great. So hit my hand on the way in. And I was like, okay. And then a bunch of other people descended on me because they saw that that, and they say, we have a thing too, where, where we, we go, we're friends too. And I was like, okay. And I'm trying to keep all the friendships.

• 28:56Josh Horowitz?

  Welcome to special handshakes.

• 28:57Speaker 04

  And so, so the first take, I'll run through the crowd and I'm, and I'm doing business, I'm hitting hands and I'm like, and I'm winking at people and they're throwing fists and stuff. And, and it takes me forever to get to the stage because of all the business. And um and, and Dean goes, God, God, he goes, Justin, what are you, what are you doing? And I said, what are you, what are you?

• 29:21Josh Horowitz?

  It's called backstory, Dean, okay?

• 29:27Speaker 04

  He said, oh, he had planned a thing. I turned around and everyone was just like.

• 29:32Speaker 05

  So good.

• 29:33Speaker 04

  abandoned me and he goes, he goes, just, you don't need to just, just keep it like, just do what I say. Just, I tell you, basically, he was very nice about it, you know, but he was like, it was a good lesson. And people can take advantage of.

• 29:50Speaker 05

  So good.

• 29:52Josh Horowitz?

  Anyone want to nominate a favorite line from the film? I basically have the entire script memorized. Do you guys have favorite lines?

• 29:58Speaker 05

  Oh, my God. Well, my breath, breath, breath is hammer is pretty good.

• 30:04Speaker 04

  I love that. I love when you're watching Missy and Tony hooking up and you go, oh, yeah. Right. Cause it tells the whole.

• 30:13Speaker 05

  You know, that comes so naturally to me. I feel like I've repeated that in another film, probably because I just, it just seems like to come out of me so naturally that line.

• 30:23Speaker 04

  Was that improv?

• 30:25Speaker 05

  That was an improv. Yeah, that was the day, I think my grandmother passed and I shot that scene with Tony and Missy. And I remember like doing the gun thing in the hallway, doing some ridiculous like turnaround with the gun like.

• 30:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:39Speaker 05

  Like this and then.

• 30:40Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:40Speaker 05

  And, and it was like, and I got, I got, I think it was very, it was kind of emotional. Cause my grandmother passed, but also it was like, I wanted to put it in the scene for my grandmother and, and I think I'm trying to sort of, I think he sort of does like, it's kind of a heroic moment for Guy Flegman, you know? But he's still kind of a, you know, whatever. But he, yeah. Yeah. But you know, Alan, I just back to Alan Rickman, you know, and Sigourney too, really, they looked after me. And Alan looked after everyone and, and you know, he threw that, remember that he threw that party midway? The studio wouldn't, wouldn't, wouldn't, you know, give the money up and then.

• 31:25Speaker 05

  Oh, we, he threw this great party at, was it Largo Cafe or something? We danced our ass off, man. It was so fun and Alan paid for it. It was, we needed it. We had, we needed it. And then, you know, Lindsay Sloan, who's a, who was Mark Johnson's assistant is now a big, a big wig producer, head of Amazon. Uh, not, or one of the heads of, of MGM, Amazon. And she was an assistant. She. He threw a, she helped throw a party in Utah. Was it, were you at that party in Utah?

• 32:02Speaker 04

  I didn't go to Utah. I wasn't.

• 32:03Speaker 05

  No, you didn't go to Utah. Yeah, there was a party. So fun, man. But you know, Sigourney was very, really cool. Like, there was a scene.

• 32:12Speaker 04

  It was cool.

• 32:13Speaker 05

  Where, you know, I, I wanted to, I wanted, I asked, uh, I asked Dean to put me in a two-shot with Sigourney. And he said, why? And I said, well, I just, I want to do, I want to try something. He's like, what do you want to try? I was sort of embarrassed. I said, well, I want to, I want to be checking out her cleavage. And, um, he said, oh, okay. I love it. Let's do it. And then Sigourney loved the idea.

• 32:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:40Speaker 05

  And, cause you know, she had that wig. That wig would like change her whole personality.

• 32:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:45Speaker 05

  Once she put on that blonde wig, it was like, she was a different person.

• 32:49Speaker 04

  She really seemed to enjoy the whole setup.

• 32:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, she was just, she would just sort of like get into it and really, she loved being like Farrah Fawcett. That was such a nice, a fun alter ego for her, to basically be Farrah Fawcett. And so when I did that, she loved it. It was so fun. You know, we just, we just had so much fun.

• 33:13Speaker 05

  It was so fun. We would just play. It was just like playing and.

• 33:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was surprised by how playful Alan was because I had only seen him, I had only seen everyone just in movies. You, you, you develop a, a scent, like an idea of somebody, somebody's per, personality. And he had only, I thought he was going to be like a, like a very serious British, you know.

• 33:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:34Speaker 04

  And he was so, he was dancing harder than anyone at that party.

• 33:38Speaker 05

  Uh, he's the best. He was the best, man. What a great guy.

• 33:42Speaker 04

  Funny and like cheeky. He was great. He gave me, I, I took over a, I did a play that he was doing and years later, and he gave me a, um, a card because he knew I was, he was leaving the show and I was taking over for another actor leaving. And it was so nice of him to just, he came to my opening night and, um, he, the card said, uh, it was very nice what he wrote inside, but, but the outside of the card was like a beautiful sunset. And in little cursive letters, it just said, fuck you.

• 34:20Speaker 05

  He was the best. You know, I sent him Charlie's Angels and he read the damn script, you know?

• 34:24Speaker 04

  It's a great story you should tell Josh about.

• 34:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, man, that fucking script, you know, we had seventeen writers.

• 34:30Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 34:32Speaker 05

  And only two of them, I think only one of them was a woman. And it was a movie about women, you know, so weird. Anyway.

• 34:40Speaker 05

  But he read it and I could, you know, he played that incredible villain in Die Hard. So I was playing a villain and I wanted his advice and he he said, I was like, I mean, I want to have this like disco thing and I want to be like a cape and this and that. And I want to be like wild, you know? Or I don't know what I was saying. He was like, you know, Sam, when I did Die Hard, I killed someone and I ate a sandwich. Just keep it very simple. Very simple, Sam. So, you know, like, don't, I talk too many frills, you know, too much, too much sauce, too much sauce on the spaghetti.

• 35:17Speaker 04

  No hat on the hat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 35:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was trying to put a hat on a hat. He was like, simple, Sam, simple. You know?

• 35:24Speaker 04

  Such a great line. I think about that so often. I killed a man and ate a sandwich.

• 35:29Josh Horowitz?

  He, yeah, yeah.

• 35:31Speaker 04

  Killing.

• 35:31Josh Horowitz?

  I, I chatted with him like, yes, pretty shortly before his passing for the podcast. And of course I brought up Galaxy Quest and he, he loved it as much as you guys did. Like he had such reverence, like he considered it such a special film and it made me so, so damn happy.

• 35:47Speaker 05

  Totally.

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• 36:58Josh Horowitz?

  So it leads me to the ongoing question that's come up for like a decade at least.

• 37:01Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 37:01Josh Horowitz?

  And I've started to talk to you guys. Like Paul Scheer, Simon Pegg, a lot of folks have taken stabs at at a Galaxy Quest continuation. How many scripts have you ever?

• 37:13Speaker 05

  I've never read any scripts, but I've talked to Mark Johnson and people and I briefly to Simon Pegg. And I think, yeah.

• 37:22Speaker 05

  Scheer too.

• 37:22Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 37:23Speaker 05

  Paul Scheer, I think I talked to him at an airport. But what, what, what is going on? You probably know more than we do. What's happening?

• 37:32Speaker 04

  Last I heard was Simon was writing it and then he stopped for some reason, but he seemed really excited. We were all in it. There were, there were drafts of one that was going to be done at Amazon right before Alan passed.

• 37:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's right. That's right.

• 37:49Speaker 04

  They were all ready to do that and Alan was going to have to like miss the pilot episode and, but then he felt like he'd be better for the second episode. So that's how close that came.

• 38:01Josh Horowitz?

  Wow.

• 38:02Speaker 04

  You know, he was actually talking about what episodes he could be in. And then Simon took over and he seemed, I don't know. I don't know where it is now. It was Paul after Simon.

• 38:13Speaker 05

  Simon was after Paul, right?

• 38:14Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. Simon, I think Simon is the most recent one that's taken a stab. Yeah. From what I gather.

• 38:18Speaker 04

  Oh, Simon Pegg's doing it for sure. It's going to be, you know, there's going to be life.

• 38:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, I was excited. I, why the fuck isn't it happening? I don't know.

• 38:25Josh Horowitz?

  It does seem like there's like everyone to him, they've all talked about wanting to do it. So it feels like it's inevitable. I mean, and it sounds like a series as opposed to film.

• 38:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:35Josh Horowitz?

  But we'll see. I mean, do you guys have thoughts on where you want to see your characters at this point? All these years later?

• 38:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I, I have a few, I'd love to do stuff with Justin, since we're both fans. Our characters are fans, we're Trekkies. I'd love to do stuff, I think I'd love to do stuff with Tony.

• 38:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:56Speaker 05

  I really would like to have stuff with Tony and, but you know,

• 39:01Speaker 05

  uh, you know, the, the, the, the main thing is, uh, you can't really replace Alan unless, uh, the only thing is to get like maybe Helen Mirren or, or Chris Walken, or, or, or, or Laurence Fishburne, or, you know, you gotta reinvent that role. That, yeah, with someone with stature, uh, possibly an actor like the character, maybe, I don't, I don't even know how you would do it, you know? I, I thought Chris Walken could maybe replace and just make him a real alien.

• 39:33Speaker 04

  That's funny.

• 39:35Speaker 05

  You know?

• 39:36Speaker 04

  You're close with Chris, have, have you, have you, have you pitched Chris? Have you?

• 39:39Speaker 05

  I, I think he would do it in a second, I think we could totally.

• 39:44Speaker 05

  I'm sure he's seen it, yeah, I'm sure he's seen it. Yeah, yeah.

• 39:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, you'd have to help with that, you'd have to help.

• 39:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, we could get him, we could get him to do it, I think, I think we just gotta get, find out if there's a script, I'd love to, I mean, I would kill to do it.

• 40:02Speaker 04

  How often at this, sorry, Justin, go ahead, yeah? Well, it's, I, yeah, I would too, I'd be so fun, and I think that my guy would probably be, I think that what I heard was that he had become quite successful, I think a guy like that was, especially after the tech boom and.

• 40:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's fun, like, like a Bill Gates or something?

• 40:21Speaker 04

  Yes, yeah.

• 40:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 40:23Speaker 04

  Really did well and, um, but I, I, it'd be fun, it'd be so fun, I.

• 40:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:31Speaker 04

  Does, does, does Galaxy Quest come up often, like you guys had by now?

• 40:36Speaker 05

  I think it does, I think it, I would think that, uh, you know, for you, Justin, with Barbarian and. Uh, Jeepers Creepers and Galaxy Quest, what other?

• 40:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, it comes up with when people speak about it like they're in on something special like they.

• 40:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:54Speaker 04

  They speak.

• 40:54Speaker 05

  Smart, smart people dig it.

• 40:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, like there's real affection, like real affection for that, which is so, I, I feel so lucky because I, you know, that movie, I would have done any movie at that point in my career. I wasn't, I was just so lucky to have been cast. I remember like going to the audition in New York.

• 41:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:14Speaker 04

  I, I got the Zane sisters really like, um, were my like fairy godmothers. I, I think of them as because Bonnie was casting a pilot that eventually became Ed. Uh, this is Debbie's sister Bonnie and then, and she recommended me to Debbie. Uh, the pilot didn't get picked up that year, but, but it was a very similar part that I was reading for. And when I first read, I, I was so nervous. I thought Bonnie had the first line at reading the other character. I was playing a, a nervous high school student who was hitting on his teacher.

• 41:50Speaker 04

  And so I thought she had the line, so I, I, I didn't say anything and I just, and then I realized, oh shit, I think it's my turn to, I think it's my, and I went, uh, and they thought it was a choice and they all started laughing. And I thought, oh, this is, um, I, I, I felt so confident then with it.

• 42:08Speaker 04

  So they, they, Bonnie recommended me to Debbie and, and, but if it hadn't been for that, I was like, not really auditioning for movies. I was very new to, to, to, to professional acting. And so, um, I'm just so grateful to them. I, but again, I would have done anything. And it just turns out it was this thing that was really special. And, and, and then it's also a lesson in like attachment. Like Sam mentioned earlier, like the movie didn't do that well when it came out and, and it was competing with all, I remember it was like feeling a little like, oh, we all thought that was going to be like a big hit. And I thought I was going to just be off to the, you know, afterwards, like you're in a head.

• 42:45Speaker 04

  It's like, well, now here's the next job and the next, and it didn't work out like that. And, um, but now years later, you realize it's so much more meaningful when people just enjoy something. Uh, I was so attached to it succeeding and being, you know, money and awards. And I don't know, I had those attachments when I was. Younger, and it's nice. It's just nice now that it lives in the world and it people have found it in a way that that is so it's really meaningful. It's not

• 43:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, it's really great. It's it's really cool, man.

• 43:21Josh Horowitz?

  So before we we take a pause and then resume at the 50th anniversary in 25 years, let's end with some Galaxy Quest trivia to see how well you remember your own

• 43:30Speaker 05

  Okay, okay.

• 43:31Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, okay. Do either of you remember the name of the starship?

• 43:36Speaker 04

  Oh, wait, wait.

• 43:39Josh Horowitz?

  Brandon would know. Brandon would know. Justin.

• 43:41Speaker 04

  No, it's the, oh, yeah, it's the, oh, no, Josh, it's

• 43:49Speaker 05

  It's it.

• 43:50Josh Horowitz?

  Protector. It's the protector.

• 43:52Speaker 04

  Protector.

• 43:53Speaker 05

  The protector.

• 43:54Josh Horowitz?

  What what episode and or how was Guy killed?

• 43:59Speaker 04

  Oh, I

• 44:01Speaker 05

  He was killed in episode Is it 57?

• 44:06Josh Horowitz?

  81. Do you remember how he went down?

• 44:09Speaker 05

  No.

• 44:10Josh Horowitz?

  It was a lava monster.

• 44:11Speaker 04

  Lava monster.

• 44:13Speaker 05

  Of course, of course. Wow.

• 44:15Josh Horowitz?

  Can you finish this fantastic line on the alien planet, Sam? You say, can you form some sort of?

• 44:24Speaker 05

  Uh, lace, some sort of something lace.

• 44:27Speaker 04

  Rudimentary lace.

• 44:28Speaker 05

  What kind of lace?

• 44:29Speaker 04

  Rudimentary.

• 44:31Speaker 05

  Rudimentary lace. Yes, that's a funny. That's a funny line. Can you solve some sort of rudimentary lace? And then Alan's like, get the fuck out of here. Yeah.

• 44:44Josh Horowitz?

  What is the name of the of the ship's power source? Anybody?

• 44:47Speaker 04

  Oh, right. The

• 44:51Speaker 05

  We're doing great. This is going great.

• 44:54Speaker 04

  Well, I remember, Josh, this was weird. I was like, God, movie making is, you know, it was so there were like aliens hanging out, smoking cigarettes on a back lot. It was like what you think of when you think of like

• 45:07Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 45:07Speaker 04

  the movies and

• 45:08Josh Horowitz?

  The back lot thing, yeah.

• 45:10Speaker 04

  I auditioned for the part like in I had my final audition. They flew me to LA and I remember

• 45:19Speaker 04

  When I flew out to do it, I sat right in, I'd never been, I'd been on a plane once before, I think, and never been in like first class, you know, fancy class. And Lily Taylor was sitting right behind me. And she asked me what I was doing, you know, she took an injury, and I was like, oh, I'm going out, making my first movie. And I think I probably mentioned people in the movie. And, and she was like, that's, you know, it's the best job, and it can be the worst. She gave me advice. And I thought, oh, of course, this is a flight to LA. Like, they're always, you know, well-known actors on these flights. And, but we were, we were, when I auditioned, we were, Tim and Sigourney were shooting the scenes with the, the chompers.

• 45:57Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 45:58Speaker 05

  Oh, I remember that. Yeah.

• 45:59Speaker 04

  Auditioning with that scene. And I thought, how crazy, we're not going to shoot this for another month. And they don't even know who's playing this part. And shouldn't I be reading? I don't know, it was all so crazy to me.

• 46:12Speaker 05

  Funny.

• 46:14Speaker 04

  Power source I'm stalling, the Omega 13.

• 46:16Josh Horowitz?

  Very, uh, close. It's the Beryllium sphere. It's okay. You guys.

• 46:19Speaker 05

  Come on, Justin.

• 46:21Josh Horowitz?

  You did your part. It's okay. Uh, I want to thank you guys. First of all, amazing. Like, as you all know, you guys are two of my favorites. And the fact that like, as soon as I hit you guys up, it was like the quickest text back ever. Obviously, this, uh, this relationship and this film means a lot to both of you. So thank you guys so much for doing this.

• 46:40Speaker 04

  No. Thank you, Josh. It's a pleasure.

• 46:42Speaker 05

  Thank you, bro.

• 46:43Speaker 04

  It's just an excuse to see everyone.

• 46:46Josh Horowitz?

  It is a good excuse. Hey, should we, should we, should we end with either a, uh, by grab Thor's hammer, or never give up, never surrender? What do you want to do?

• 46:55Speaker 05

  Let's do both.

• 46:56Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 46:57Speaker 05

  By grab Thor's hammer, never give up.

• 47:01Speaker 04

  Surrender.

• 47:02Speaker 05

  You shall be avenged.

• 47:07Speaker 02

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