349 - Hamish Paints the Mona Lisa

The first prize for The Price Is Correct is revealed - plus, find out how you can apply to be a contestant! Hamish & Andy reminisce about the extraordinary moment that unfolded during their weekend away at a “very special painting club”. And after Jack’s new personal assistant Daultaugh meets his boss for the first time, he reports back to Andy with his thoughts. 1. How to enter The Price Is Correct 2. Hame’s amazing art weekend 3. Jack’s board game assistant

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• 0:23Speaker 02

  Ahoy to me service, a laughus, Hamish.

• 0:27Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. Well, it is a, that is a service we aim to provide here in Latin. And it could almost be our Latin motto. Let us serve you through laughter. Service a laughus, the Hamish and Andy show. We should get blazers with a crest.

• 0:42Speaker 02

  Well, then this particular thing would be on the crest. Ahoy to me dama, dama, Jack.

• 0:49Speaker 03

  Oh, wait, so they're things that make up a crest like shield.

• 0:53Speaker 02

  No, no, I'm just saying you, if we were to put it, if we're putting a crest together, this thing would have to be our mascot now. Service a laughus.

• 1:01Speaker 03

  What am I, a dama, dama?

• 1:02Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:03Speaker 03

  Okay, play on.

• 1:04Speaker 02

  And I am a rusa unicola.

• 1:09Speaker 03

  These sound like either, are we, are you saying words backwards?

• 1:13Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:13Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  These, they're obviously the scientific names of three types of something. And they aren't native to Australia.

• 1:24Speaker 03

  Are they birds? Is the kookaburra the laughus? That's a great question.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  No, they are, Hamish, you and I, I know we didn't, we, we, we saw a few of these in, in search for its bigger brother in New Zealand. Bad, bad, bad clue.

• 1:39Speaker 03

  Are they deers?

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, we have the three main deer species of Australia. Hame, the service a laughus is the red deer, one of Australia's best known introduced deer. And, uh, and you're a fallow deer, Jack, widespread, but particularly in our South Australian, uh, Southeastern Australia. And I'm a samba deer, the rusa unicola.

• 2:01Speaker 03

  And what's the samba deers? Do they run faster, jump higher? Usually you are the best deer.

• 2:04Speaker 02

  The largest deer species in Australia.

• 2:06Speaker 03

  Interesting, interesting.

• 2:07Speaker 02

  Large, dark brown deer with a shaggy coat, prominent ears and large branching antlers on the males.

• 2:13Speaker 03

  Ears are common, yeah, you're right. I mean, I don't think we'd have it as our crest. I don't think we'd have the deer as the crest of the show.

• 2:20Speaker 02

  No, but the service laughus is the red deer. That'd be the one we'd have to put on.

• 2:24Speaker 03

  Why? I mean, is it laugh? Is it spelt like laughter?

• 2:27Speaker 02

  It's, um, or elaphus, but that was, I was.

• 2:30Speaker 03

  No, that's fine. I just, not the most hilarious animal. That's why I'm just, I'm just saying, I don't know why it gets laughter in its name because it's just not a funny animal.

• 2:37Speaker 02

  I was told to emphasize the laugh aspect of it through, through pronunciation, but I would have pronounced it elaphus.

• 2:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, gotcha. My favorite part of this is anytime it is like a different language or Latin or something, your face of the nerves.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  Nervous, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:54Speaker 03

  They're coming with having to pronounce the different language.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  He's deferring to the Latin and telling us that we're getting to the end of three things and there's not that many three things left.

• 3:03Speaker 03

  There is no way to get to the end of three things, Jack. You're mistaking this. You're just mistaking.

• 3:09Speaker 02

  Liza's out there with, maybe.

• 3:12Speaker 03

  Jack, you're just mistaking what is, and I think I speak for the listeners as well, a kind of a boring one.

• 3:21Speaker 03

  You're just mistaking this feeling of having a non-exciting one. There's no interest to this. We're just three deers.

• 3:27Speaker 02

  Twilight people were last week. I thought that was too easy, but is it just because?

• 3:31Speaker 03

  I just feel where now we're setting a precedent where if we can just do things in other languages. Okay, so you say what you want Latin off the table.

• 3:38Speaker 02

  I'll do no, I'll do no scientific names for the rest of the year.

• 3:42Speaker 03

  For the rest of the year. Thank you.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  Liza's is so devastated outside.

• 3:46Speaker 03

  For a second there, she was like, oh my God, I'm, I've got the rest of the year off. And now the rest of the year's just got harder.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  Because what she was thinking is like, oh, just go back to the start of the list and we'll do it in Japanese and start of the list and we'll do it in Chinese, start of the list, do it in Greek. Well, it's, it's, it's scientific names and it's not like it's not different languages.

• 4:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, this isn't just, it's not in Klingon. We haven't just gone, here's, here's three different names for chairs. But I think, no, I'm with you, Jack. We just, it's a tough one. It's a tough one to get the three things right. And you've got to, you have to admit when one feels a little vanilla because you're looking for that little special something, aren't you? You want it to be achievable, but you want to maybe learn a little bit with it.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, that had neither. Um, the ahoy also to Cassie and Jethro, they're in Australia, went to hamishandandy.com, uh, uploaded the audio, very easy to do it there. If you go there, tell us what they've been up to.

• 4:39Speaker 04

  Ahoy, Hamish and Andy.

• 4:40Speaker 05

  Ahoy, boys.

• 4:42Speaker 04

  It's Cassie and Jethro here. We got married six months ago and we thought we'd head out to celebrate our half anniversary. We're heading to Melbourne and listening to your podcast and we just heard you'd won the pizza challenge, Hamish. So we are swung into La Calabrese to get ourselves some pizzas.

• 4:56Speaker 05

  It's five o'clock and the podcast episode was released yesterday and there's only six pizzas left. Hamish, thanks for shouting us dinner, mate. We, uh, really believe that you're the people's people. And you got very lucky with that antecedent, by the way.

• 5:11Speaker 03

  I did, I did. I did. And, uh, but that's the game. That's, that's a pizza duel. Pizza for the people. All right. So that, I think they ran out in like a day.

• 5:22Speaker 02

  Would have been left just over 24 hours because yeah, they'd have just been there and they were a day later, hey? Fantastic. What a triumph. And the fact that they've adjusted a road trip, which wouldn't have included heading out to the.

• 5:34Speaker 03

  Endeavour Hills.

• 5:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, the deep, deep east suburb of Endeavour Hills and they've got themselves a free pizza.

• 5:40Speaker 03

  I can't recommend it highly enough. The feeling you get knowing, it's different. Like, you know, we all like doing things for other people. If you just donate money, it's like, okay, I helped out with a good cause, but to know you've donated pizza.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's tangible.

• 5:53Speaker 03

  It's just something, yeah, it just feels great.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can understand that. Yeah.

• 5:57Speaker 03

  It feels great. I don't know. They want to do it again. I don't know. Pad Thai for the people.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  Hame, uh, we have a game show coming up. The price is correct, which is very exciting.

• 6:09Speaker 03

  Price is correct, featuring the tipping point. We don't know if we, because we still haven't figured out the format, will the game, will the whole game be the tipping point?

• 6:19Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 6:20Speaker 03

  Or is it just, will there still be the price is correct component where we're guessing prices?

• 6:25Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 6:26Speaker 03

  And then you don't want to get it wrong because you approached the tipping point.

• 6:29Speaker 05

  I don't mind having two game shows merging as one.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  I don't mind that at all. Lots of shows, I mean, Hey Hey It's Saturday had red faces in the middle of it.

• 6:38Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 6:39Speaker 02

  You can always have a, a, the strongest segment of a show within a show.

• 6:44Speaker 03

  And also I think it would be. It protects us a little bit because if we get prices right coming at us going, hey, that's our show. Be like, what are you talking about? Well, A, we'd change the name to Price is Correct and B, where's your pool?

• 6:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:58Speaker 03

  And if we get Man Oh Man, who I feel like we do need to constantly remind people what Man Oh Man is, game show from the nineties that featured pushing hunks into a pool.

• 7:06Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  And the pool still exists. Somehow it's never been used since that show and we're going to get access to it.

• 7:11Speaker 02

  Used once by Nicolas Cage.

• 7:12Speaker 03

  Nicolas Cage has been in the pool.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 7:14Speaker 03

  Which is awesome.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:16Speaker 03

  If Man Oh Man comes to us and goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, boys, uh, out of respect to the industry, never touch that pool again because that's our pool.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:23Speaker 03

  Be like, what are you talking about?

• 7:24Speaker 02

  Nick Cage.

• 7:25Speaker 03

  The price is correct.

• 7:28Speaker 03

  So we can really play off everyone. And then if the host of the tipping point, which I believe is Andy.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  Todd Woodbridge?

• 7:35Speaker 03

  Yep. Great. Uh, if he comes at us and goes, boys, what am I hearing about the tipping point? Like, what are you talking about?

• 7:40Speaker 03

  It's a pool based game. It's more Man Oh Man. And Man Oh Man goes, I heard that. Go, oh boy, talk, private conversation with Woody, not really. In the pool you go.

• 7:52Speaker 03

  Anyway, it just covers it.

• 7:54Speaker 02

  By that time the show's done.

• 7:57Speaker 03

  And it's a one-off game show.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  Hame rings me during the week, Jack, and goes, you know what?

• 8:04Speaker 02

  If any other radio show in the world.

• 8:07Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  Had $75,000 of giveaways.

• 8:10Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 8:10Speaker 02

  They would be pumping.

• 8:13Speaker 03

  Oh my God, that's a, that's a huge price for radio.

• 8:15Speaker 02

  Particularly these days, they would be promoting the heck out of it and there'd be some kind of thing to drive more listeners because that's what they do. They do these cash and prizes to try and get more listeners for ratings, et cetera.

• 8:25Speaker 03

  Think about back in the days we're on radio, sometimes it would be, you know, like, and this is great and good on them for going, you know, we'll pay your bills like all day long. You know, we'll pay a $200 phone bill, $200 and all day long, they're trying to make more people listen.

• 8:41Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 8:42Speaker 03

  To win that $200. Here we are sitting on a $75,000 prize haul and we're actually not telling anyone what it is.

• 8:51Speaker 03

  Leveraging it for more audience. Now a lot of people go, well, that's good on you. That's nice that you're above that. We're not above that.

• 8:57Speaker 02

  No.

• 8:58Speaker 03

  We're, we're, we're not meeting up. We're not above that at all. We don't think we're better than that. We should be leveraging this for more listeners.

• 9:04Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  A hundred percent we should.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. So what do you do?

• 9:08Speaker 03

  Well, we think.

• 9:08Speaker 02

  That's what we came up with. Yeah. So, uh, if you, if you head to hamishandandy.com, you'll see a, a link there where the application form is to be a member of the, uh, audience. And your chance to win the prize pool.

• 9:23Speaker 03

  Or some of the prizes or, you know, have a crack at winning.

• 9:25Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 9:26Speaker 03

  You've got to be in the audience to win the prizes during the game show.

• 9:30Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 9:31Speaker 03

  But if you get wet, that's all you get.

• 9:33Speaker 02

  You get wet. Yeah, I like that. So you'll have to, on 25 words or less, as you fill out this form to be a chance to be an audience member, you'll have to write. Who have you all so enticed to listen to the podcast?

• 9:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  Or?

• 9:47Speaker 03

  Make it 50. Should we make it 50 words?

• 9:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, 50 words. Or how do you propose to get more audience to the podcast?

• 9:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. How are you getting the show out there? What are you doing to boost numbers?

• 9:56Speaker 02

  Yep. As an additional click bit of video upload.

• 10:00Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  We thought it'd be good to put up a video of you getting pushed into a pool or a body of water, just to prove that you can swim. Because the health and safety people are coming at us hard, Jack.

• 10:11Speaker 03

  It would make a difference for the insurance and the safety people I'm hearing. If we said, hey, look.

• 10:17Speaker 02

  You've got to be able to swim.

• 10:18Speaker 03

  We have a video of Jeff being pushed in the pool. He's a great contestant.

• 10:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:22Speaker 03

  He showed us he could do it. He wanted to go in the water. He's got shoes on. It's not a problem.

• 10:27Speaker 02

  Because in watching a bunch of old shows back Deal or No Deal, Price is Right, et cetera, there are some very old men and women that they get to play those games. And I'm just not sure.

• 10:38Speaker 03

  We don't want to push them in the pool.

• 10:39Speaker 02

  Well, I just feel like if they get close to the tip in point, pushing Gran in and not being at a retriever.

• 10:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's true. Having said that, we, all right, we don't want to discriminate.

• 10:50Speaker 02

  It's not live.

• 10:52Speaker 03

  It's not live.

• 10:52Speaker 02

  We can edit that out.

• 10:53Speaker 03

  Bring a stunt person in to put Gran's clothes on and we just shoot.

• 10:57Speaker 02

  Sorry, I was meaning editor out.

• 10:58Speaker 03

  All right. We can just like stop the record, stuntie comes in, gets dressed in Gran's clothes, puts a wig on, and then we just shoot it from behind or with a fast float.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  Okay, so we should have another tick box saying. I'm not a strong squirrel, but I would like the stunt double.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  Because everyone's going to do that. Everyone's going to do that.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  But we'll just say, video or request a stunt double.

• 11:21Speaker 03

  Nah.

• 11:24Speaker 02

  If it's videos, then you've got to get a friend to film. You've got to upload it. But you've got a better chance if you've got a video.

• 11:30Speaker 03

  If we sniff that you aren't the kind of person that needs a stunt double and you're just requesting this, so you can say you've had a stunt double, we're probably not going to invite you.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 11:39Speaker 03

  I'd like to see people willingly able to go in the pool.

• 11:42Speaker 02

  But if it's like.

• 11:42Speaker 03

  To not discriminate.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  Margery Doreen, you know, Fiddleston. Eighty-seven years old.

• 11:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's great TV, but she doesn't want to go in the pool.

• 11:51Speaker 02

  And she ticks, I would request a stunt double. That's probably fair for Marge.

• 11:55Speaker 03

  Do you know what? If you tick you want a stunt double for the pool, there's another 50 words or less to explain why you think you need a stunt double. Bearing in mind, we're probably going to have a max of two stunt double pushes on the day. So you're doing yourself a disservice here. You're now in a much.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  You shouldn't go for it. Yep.

• 12:11Speaker 03

  Smaller pool of people that don't want to go in the pool.

• 12:16Speaker 02

  And then one more question. Will the health and safety people who don't want us to push people in the pool on the day have any problem with you encouraging people to go and film themselves pushing their friends into a body of water now?

• 12:28Speaker 03

  They don't because we're not in charge of that pushing. That's voluntary. That's not a condition of entry.

• 12:34Speaker 02

  No.

• 12:34Speaker 03

  We're just going to say that.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  Is it optional?

• 12:36Speaker 03

  Could, um, help your application.

• 12:39Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 12:40Speaker 03

  It's not, it's not completely necessary.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  We're not asking you to do that. And I'm sorry, I was a bit aged before. There are 80 year olds that would be very comfortable being pushed in a pool.

• 12:47Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Yeah. There's might not be, you know, there might be some that aren't.

• 12:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 12:51Speaker 03

  So maximum two stunt doubles.

• 12:55Speaker 03

  I think that covers that.

• 12:59Speaker 03

  We just, what else do we need? The actual format of the show, we'll figure that out. What about this? Here's the other thing I wanted to bring up. I know we liked the idea of like just waiting until we record the game show to reveal all these prizes. But I've got.

• 13:14Speaker 02

  Nah, we have to. It goes back to the radio thing. It's like when you've got a prize, you talk about it non-stop.

• 13:20Speaker 03

  Exactly. I don't know why I always bring this up, but I just remember, Ando, one of our years on radio, they were giving away Kelly Clarkson's convertible.

• 13:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:29Speaker 03

  I felt like that contest went for nine months. It just went forever.

• 13:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:34Speaker 03

  They didn't go, we're giving away a special something that it's owned by a special someone.

• 13:39Speaker 02

  No.

• 13:40Speaker 03

  Really let you know it was Kelly Clarkson's convertible.

• 13:43Speaker 02

  Yep, exactly. So I think we have to start talking about the prizes. And that will encourage more people to click on the form, apply and click.

• 13:53Speaker 03

  And even if you're an unconfident pool faller, it might give you time to.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  Did learn to swim.

• 13:58Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah. I don't love my chances of being one of the only two selected that will be using a stunt double. I'm going to take survival courses, pool survival courses to put me in. Because if we say it was about 134 people in the audience, that's the bleachers number, something like that.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:12Speaker 03

  They'd be like, I want to be in the 132.

• 14:14Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 14:15Speaker 03

  That are willing to, you know, go in the pool by themselves.

• 14:18Speaker 02

  Can we also, with the people that select stunt double, it is assumed that you're bringing the same pair of clothes twice or that you're happy for us to dress you on the day? Because I don't think we can.

• 14:29Speaker 03

  No, you don't. I think, oh, you mean it's just a bit of a stop down?

• 14:32Speaker 02

  Well, would you want them to get out of their actual clothes and then put on this?

• 14:36Speaker 03

  Nan can wander off, get in a robe and then the stunt. We have to give us, all right, if you're doing stunt double, yeah, fine, bring doubles. Or and give us your dimensions also because we need to get.

• 14:47Speaker 02

  It'd be quicker because time is money.

• 14:49Speaker 03

  This is like, this is like dietary requirements. You're like, God, this would be so much easier if we just said no dietary. But this is like, okay, we need your dimensions too. Because if Nan's five foot nothing and we've got, you know, Rachel, who's the stuntie, and she's six foot six.

• 15:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  People are going to know.

• 15:11Speaker 03

  We don't want people to know this is a stunt double. We'll never reveal it.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  By the time the broadcast goes online, we shouldn't be able to tell as a viewer who the stunt double is.

• 15:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:21Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 15:21Speaker 03

  Maybe we reserve one of the prizes and go play along at home for everyone. If you accurately guessed who the stunt double push in was.

• 15:30Speaker 02

  I think it'll be obvious.

• 15:31Speaker 03

  Bit of home interaction. You showed no faith in the stunt community, Jack, and you showed no faith in our.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  Well, I'll just look for the one that's shot far away and blurry.

• 15:39Speaker 03

  We can shoot more far away.

• 15:41Speaker 02

  If no one picks it, the stunt double gets the prize.

• 15:50Speaker 03

  Yep. Great.

• 15:51Speaker 02

  Great.

• 15:51Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 15:56Speaker 03

  You've got to put this, you've got to just check this stuff off. The other thing we were thinking of doing was do I announce? Yeah, every week, one of the prizes. So there's still be a lot of mystery prizes left. But just to give people a little taste.

• 16:13Speaker 02

  Thirty prizes, don't we?

• 16:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's 29.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  So if you do one a week for the next 10 weeks, that takes us to the show.

• 16:18Speaker 03

  Still a lot of surprises. Do you know what? Because I only looked at the list like last week and I was like, man, there's so many things on here. Because it was a frenzy. It's actually, I actually felt the pressure to just pump out some prizes. One, I think is bland.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  Okay. Do you want to stricken it from the record?

• 16:31Speaker 03

  I want to sell it.

• 16:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 16:33Speaker 03

  I want to sell it on Marketplace. I know we're going to take a hit, but then I also saw something awesome on Instagram the other day. I was like, I wish we had more kitty.

• 16:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, right. So you've got to sell it and buy something new.

• 16:42Speaker 03

  You know what? We're in the room doing it. In the room was like me and Carly. She was doing a lot of the admin, like, you know.

• 16:48Speaker 02

  Should have seen him, Jack.

• 16:50Speaker 03

  Cambo's filming and I'm like, what? You know, I was like for a second, because Instagram couldn't give me ads fast enough. So I'm bouncing out to other websites and things. I'm like, what do you guys want? What do you guys want? I'm not having you go at Cambo here, but he goes, what about those TVs? Like a frame TV, a flat TV. So I'm like, no, I've bought it. But then afterwards, I'm like, that's.

• 17:10Speaker 03

  Again, I appreciate people want TVs, but it just doesn't feel incredible. It feels like a normal game show.

• 17:15Speaker 02

  Exactly. Very normal.

• 17:17Speaker 03

  I'm going to be selling that in the background and reinvesting the funds. So we're going to take a little haircut on that because I paid for retail. Obviously, it was just, I think I just went straight to a retailer.

• 17:27Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 17:28Speaker 03

  But I think for what I can reinvest, it'll be better.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  Great.

• 17:31Speaker 03

  So I'm just letting you know.

• 17:32Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 17:32Speaker 03

  And if anything else just feels not right to me, I'll probably, you know, sell those, reinvest the product. So there's going to be a little bit of that going on in the background.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  How much are you selling the TV for?

• 17:43Speaker 03

  No, Jack.

• 17:46Speaker 02

  You might want it.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  Hey, Jack, I think we might have told you this already, but on, hey, my first TV show is in the exact same studio, which got axed. We had a contest during it and they came down and said, hey, we're giving away, I think it was a T E C.

• 18:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:07Speaker 02

  Whatever, whatever.

• 18:08Speaker 03

  Something like that. JVC, one of.

• 18:09Speaker 02

  JVC, this was.

• 18:10Speaker 03

  Not the top tier electronics brands.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're giving away, we're giving away a JVC television. And can you, can you please say you get you in the JVC 40 inch television? And we're like, oh, great. Do we have a sponsor? And they went, no, but we'd like to make it look like we had. So we've gone and bought.

• 18:30Speaker 03

  Channel 7 is buying it. I was like, so wouldn't you be happy if you were from JVC? It looks like you're getting an ad or whatever. Yeah, they'll be delighted because they've got a sale and a free ad.

• 18:44Speaker 03

  Well, that's kind of what we've done on this.

• 18:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:46Speaker 03

  We've spent our own money buying these products.

• 18:48Speaker 02

  And did that, did that work? Did it encourage other sponsors to come aboard because they saw the JVC?

• 18:53Speaker 03

  Academic. It would be a nice case study to look at. But yes, we burnt the house down before they had time to find that out.

• 19:00Speaker 02

  Can I say this then to anyone whose products we've bought? If you feel that we've done a good job presenting the brand, you can retrospectively pay us.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  Pay us money or product.

• 19:13Speaker 02

  Pay no money. You can reach out. So then we can put it back into the key to do more fun things. So if you feel like you did get a bit of work, be good, be, be, be kind and just.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  That's going to be so slim.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  Well, all I'm saying, Jack.

• 19:24Speaker 03

  Imagine if they've got Jack's running the company.

• 19:28Speaker 03

  I did like that. I thought they could have done better. I'm not going to open the chequebook on this occasion.

• 19:35Speaker 02

  We might be surprised.

• 19:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, we might.

• 19:36Speaker 02

  And then doesn't that open up a new area of concern? Because we weren't allowed to mention who the sponsor of the game show is. So if someone retroactively goes, yes, that was my frame TV. I consider that a sponsor. Here's the money. Now we've again had a sponsor on the show competing with the primary sponsor.

• 19:52Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, we've accepted money for a brand we did mention.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  Maybe just under the table.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

• 20:04Speaker 03

  We'll just go à la Jack, like preferred method. So when you go around, you go into Jack's house, why are the tables so high? I prefer, so there's more space under the table.

• 20:15Speaker 02

  The dealings. Hey, what price?

• 20:17Speaker 03

  Tables nearly at the roof? Yes, I've got another table under the table where we can meet, catch up, show each other laptops.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  What price do we have today?

• 20:28Speaker 03

  First prize reveal.

• 20:30Speaker 02

  All right, here we go.

• 20:31Speaker 03

  Here we go.

• 20:34Speaker 03

  It's time to hear Table tennis training robot.

• 20:38Speaker 02

  A table tennis training robot?

• 20:39Speaker 03

  Table tennis training robot.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 20:41Speaker 03

  From what I remember, the Omni S Pro table tennis ball picker is a robot from a company that makes table tennis robots. Think of it like a little tennis ball machine that fires balls over your side of the table. So you can hit them back, but from what I, again, from what I remember, there's sort of like a net system behind the table that catches the balls you hit back, returns them, sort of they feed back down, back into the robot and it just keeps pinging balls at you and you can train table tennis by yourself.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  Oh, I love that.

• 21:14Speaker 03

  I can't say how much it is.

• 21:16Speaker 02

  No.

• 21:16Speaker 03

  Because obviously that it could feature in one of the games where you have to guess the price, but let me just say this, it's more than you'd think.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  Does it come with the table or your BYO table?

• 21:31Speaker 03

  It's a robot, Jack. Does a ball machine come with a tennis court? It is, the technology itself is the outstanding part and the net system. Again, from what I remember, it was very big and it would all kind of feed back into the robot. And I think there was different settings on the robot.

• 21:46Speaker 02

  I love it. I love it.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  I think it even puts spin on it. I might be making that bit up, but it seemed like the kind of machine that could do that.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Head to hamishnary.com guys and we'll have more coming.

• 21:57Speaker 03

  That's better than a TV.

• 21:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, easily.

• 22:03Speaker 03

  Hey. Well, we have to, let's not, just discuss this very, very quickly, but we are talking about it a lot off air, might as well get it off our chests, but also acknowledging that we know this can't become a golf podcast, even though three of us enjoy playing golf. But we've, as we've previously agreed to on the show, you can sometimes talk about painting, painting, painting, something we all understand, painting, something everyone likes. And, and you and I went away for a very special painting holiday on the weekend where we were not only lucky.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  Took all our brushes and painted for four days in a row.

• 22:37Speaker 03

  I was so excited. I even bought a brand new smock there, a couple of smocks and a couple of new painting hats, berets, I suppose, but more of a peaked beret, you'd call it a cap. At this very special painting club we went to over in New Zealand, a very fancy painting club, like some of the most.

• 22:55Speaker 02

  One of the best painting clubs in the world, isn't it?

• 22:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. The kind of club where if, if, you know, Leonardo da Vinci did get reincarnated, he'd be kicking himself that he couldn't paint, he couldn't paint there. It's, it's a real nice place to paint.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:10Speaker 03

  And, um, what's the best way to describe this? I went, I went to paint my picture during one of the painting sessions. And if you've ever had the experience, this is very rare in painting where you put the, just you just go, I'll just do the undercoat and then I'll paint the Mona Lisa. You put the undercoat on and lo and behold, you've accidentally bloody painted the Mona Lisa with the undercoat. You're expecting it to be a one stroke. You've accidentally painted a complete picture.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  He's had a hole in one.

• 23:39Speaker 03

  Hole in one is what you'd call it in golf, but a one, a one stroke Mona Lisa is what you'd call it in painting golf club. Very rare to do as an artist.

• 23:49Speaker 02

  Just to put aside the analogy for a second, he's had a hole in one, Jack.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  Incredible.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  Now, this was incredible, right?

• 23:58Speaker 03

  Couldn't believe it. My soul left my body. Um, it was, it was, it was, it's quite wild because of course, okay, we probably just have to use the terminology of golf, small ball golf here to, to, to clarify. Um, I have had a hole in one at foot golf before, which is, but I think we're just going to keep them separate just because small ball golf is a bit harder to have a hole in one in it because the hole is very small and it's a long way away.

• 24:24Speaker 02

  Long way away.

• 24:25Speaker 03

  When you hit the ball down there.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  For this particular shot, 165 metres away in a tiny hole, it's the size of a coffee mug.

• 24:32Speaker 03

  Hmm. My eyes aren't that great and I, you know, I've been in that position before where you're like, you think, you, you think something good has happened, but you just, you just can't see the ball anymore. And it's about 20 metres away from the hole and it's, you know, rolled off the back. So, but we're with people who are like looking, everyone's looking down there going, no, I think it's in, I think it's in. But you just dare not believe. You're just looking at those Lotto numbers. You're looking at the TV, they're lining up, you go, this can't be right, this can't be right.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  It could be hiding behind the pin, just, you know.

• 25:01Speaker 03

  Cause your brain, I've not won Powerball, but it would be like that feeling of going, hang on a sec, are those numbers these? No, you just keep checking.

• 25:08Speaker 02

  Don't celebrate too early.

• 25:09Speaker 03

  Am I actually, am I watching something that I taped from last week and I'm watching an old Powerball telecast? That would be horrible. Just check everything. You just don't want to be the guy that takes your top off, spins it around your head, runs down there and then finds the ball 10 metres away from the hole.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 25:25Speaker 03

  So disbelief.

• 25:26Speaker 02

  It is disbelief because we were very much lost for words and then you see a lot of men just laughing, laughing and giggling and almost delirium.

• 25:36Speaker 03

  This is so confusing for my wife.

• 25:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, I mean, it's not going to mean much, but my brother was filming and you'll hear how lost for words, but how high on giggles we are.

• 26:01Speaker 03

  So good.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  It's just delirium. It was just, it's pure delirium.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  Can I, can I ask something? This special fancy course in New Zealand is also where Andy got his hole in one?

• 26:18Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 26:19Speaker 02

  So it's an easy course to get a hole in one.

• 26:21Speaker 03

  That's what my dad, first thing my dad said was like, he got confused.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  It must be an easy course.

• 26:26Speaker 03

  He goes, he goes, ah, didn't Andy get a hole in one in the same hole? What's going on with that hole? Is it like the hole?

• 26:32Speaker 02

  Was it the same hole?

• 26:32Speaker 03

  No, it wasn't the same hole. And you and Noel Blake can join the, the, the, the air poppers club as you try and take the wind out of our sails and deflate our balloon of excitement.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  No, I just, I think it's interesting that Andy got it there and Andy's friend Marty got a hole in one there. Is that, am I getting that right?

• 26:51Speaker 03

  Years ago though, people get them.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  So yeah, I get it.

• 26:53Speaker 03

  People do get them.

• 26:53Speaker 02

  Three different holes.

• 26:54Speaker 03

  Maybe they make it easier at a fancy course so that. To use the Powerball analogy, Jack, maybe this is like going, oh, hang on a sec. Someone's bloody winning this every week.

• 27:04Speaker 03

  It's not that hard. Every day you open up the paper, someone's won Powerball.

• 27:07Speaker 02

  No, but it'd be like Andy winning week one, you winning week two, Marty winning week three.

• 27:12Speaker 03

  This is what I find interesting. Basically people have been split between two different things. One is jubilation, the other is a little bit of anger.

• 27:21Speaker 02

  Don't tell us.

• 27:22Speaker 03

  It's jubilation and jealousy and they're coming in equal parts to me. You were the first, you were the first jealous cab off the rank, Jack.

• 27:29Speaker 02

  I'll give you, I'll give you another one. Mick Malloy this morning, Mick Malloy, he came up to me, this is what he said and I had to quickly write it down. So I got it right. Cause he just said this and then walked off. Can't buddy believe it. I'm not happy with him. I'm actually shitty with him. You have to earn this stuff. Shook his head and then went to the toilet.

• 27:47Speaker 03

  Have to earn it. What more can I do? I've played for almost five whole years. I have every training aid you can buy off Instagram. None of them get used more than twice. Oh, I've earned it, mate. This has cost me thousands of dollars in foolishly purchased training aids.

• 28:02Speaker 02

  Our mate from, um, New York, Eddie Buck, who runs Old Mate's with us, he rang me this morning and goes, did Hamish really get a hole in one?

• 28:08Speaker 03

  I know the hoax, you were, you were on the hoax team, Jack. So basically for the next, you know, after the hole in one, I was like, I couldn't focus. Started drinking a bit of tequila. So I was like, you know what? This is not what you normally do during um, a painting club session, but I'm going to take the next couple of holes off. I'm just finished.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  He's next, he's next. Art pieces of artwork were slops.

• 28:30Speaker 03

  And people were like, what is this? Is this one of those paintings that elephants do? This is terrible. Mate, I couldn't, I was just like, this is silly. I'm just going to enjoy the moment. So basically I was drinking and just texting everyone that I ever played golf with in my life. And you were very, you were quick off the rank there, Jack. You were one of the first people.

• 28:48Speaker 02

  That video that we just heard, we, you didn't send that. All you sent was a photo of you crouching and getting a ball out of a hole with a smile on your face, which could be, you could set that up. That doesn't prove anything. Not that I think you're that type of person. Not that I don't think you're, I don't think you're that type of person, but I wanted to believe it was a hoax.

• 29:04Speaker 03

  Well, you did it because I, I didn't, I don't have, I can go back and find the message, but it was just, it was a few photos of us just all losing it and then going, I gave you the quick story. Can't believe it. This is incredible. I'm in shock. You just sent back the emoji of, now I know this is an audio medium, so I'll have to make the noise that you would think this emoji makes, but the emoji just going.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. He's, he's rubbing his chin and he's having a think. And that was me having, like, is this real?

• 29:34Speaker 03

  He's a bit angry.

• 29:34Speaker 02

  He's a bit angry. He's a bit angry. So you were more in the jealousy camp, mate.

• 29:39Speaker 03

  That was the instant reaction.

• 29:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 29:41Speaker 03

  So over the days, I've become happy for you. There, there's actually a third camp and I'm sure a lot of people listening are in the third camp, which is if you don't, you don't care about golf, you don't know about golf.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  You don't know how hard it is.

• 29:51Speaker 03

  It's a different camp. So I could tell, she could tell how excited I was. She was my first text. I was like, I know this means nothing to you, but you have to be the first person I tell because I love you and you're my wife. And also tell the kids, because this could get, this could get a bit of traction there. I could tell she was trying to be excited for me, but I know to her, it sounds like I've, I've got a strike in bowling.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  Wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 30:16Speaker 03

  We went bumper bowling. I got a strike, didn't even touch the sides and now we're going to drink for two days. He's like, well, mate, that's very good, but.

• 30:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. Beck was a bit the same. She's like, oh, wow. Everyone's getting one.

• 30:27Speaker 03

  And that's why it feels a little bit like at this certain course, it's easy to get a hole in one.

• 30:31Speaker 02

  That's why I had to sit Beck down and I said, Beck, it's. So one in seventeen and a half thousand shots on a normal course.

• 30:44Speaker 02

  Beck and she's like, oh, wow. Okay. Okay. And she still didn't. She says, you take a lot of shots in golf. Like, well, yeah, sometimes more than we meant to because we're not that good. But I said, to, to put in perspective for you.

• 30:55Speaker 03

  Remember you can only get a hole in one from the first shot. Your last shot on a hole is always a hole in one.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:01Speaker 03

  But you've had 12 before that.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  You normally get three goes around because it's normally only three par threes.

• 31:06Speaker 03

  That you could possibly make.

• 31:07Speaker 02

  And I'm not getting too technical here. So I put it in these terms to Beck. I asked AI, I said, for someone of this handicap, how long would it take them normally to get a hole in one? And put in Haym's handicap. They said eighty nine. He should have waited eighty nine years.

• 31:23Speaker 03

  That's amazing. Head of sketch.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  He's a head of sketch.

• 31:28Speaker 03

  Always a head of sketch. Why wait? Get it done. Kick it off. Get it out of the way early in your life. I tried to explain it. I, I went another analogy. I was like, okay, what's a sport that's kind of universally understood? Soccer. I said, all right, think about in the World Cup, when the goalie gets it and he kicks the ball to the kind of the middle of the field or a bit, bit longer. Then imagine he went to pass the ball close, right? And the goalie goes to pass the ball close, but suddenly the ball just magically seems to like pick up into the air and start wading and hurling down the field.

• 32:03Speaker 03

  Just around everyone and even the other goalie can't stop it. And it's just, it started as a pass and it ended as a goal. Now, maybe that's not the best analogy because you are actually going for the hole in golf.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:13Speaker 06

  More of a fluke.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  That makes it sound like there's elements of magic involved.

• 32:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. Okay. Well, all right. Well.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  All I can say is.

• 32:21Speaker 03

  You line up at the city to surf that you run every year and, you know, good, maybe you run an hour and a half and a fun run, fourteen kilometer fun run. Australia's biggest fun run and you've done it for 20 years and you're just jogging along, do with your friends. And you cross the line and you're looking, watching, oh my God, I did it in 10 minutes. How did I do that?

• 32:42Speaker 02

  All I can say is there's been, I know, I've got friends that have been playing for over 50 years who have never had it. And as Eddie Buck said this morning, he said, you have to wait longer for golf's greatest joy. And I said, no, you don't.

• 32:58Speaker 03

  No, you don't. I've experienced enough of the agony. Don't you worry about that. This is, do you know, do you know what I think the, the, this is all wrapped up in it because anyone that plays golf, it, it's a game of extreme frustration. And it basically exclusively never goes your way.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 33:14Speaker 03

  Like the whole day is golf, just.

• 33:18Speaker 02

  Reminding you that you're not good enough.

• 33:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely. Pulling your pants down. Like absolutely. You, you have, your whole day is hoping like, please don't go in there. It goes in there. Oh my God, that was the worst thing I've ever done. Just, and you're like, you hate yourself. You're like, I've spent all this money. What am I doing? This is just so dumb. What a waste. This is some of the worst person. Like just, that's just golf mostly. And so for one moment, you pulled golf's pants down.

• 33:43Speaker 03

  You did the thing.

• 33:46Speaker 03

  It's been doing to you for all these years. And for this, like once in a life moment, you're like, hang on a sec. I'm the boss of golf right now. It's not the boss of me. Then it goes straight back to being the boss of you and that's that. But for one moment you experienced it.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  So happy I was there. Well done, mate. We should paint again soon.

• 34:04Speaker 03

  We're actually painting.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  Painting tomorrow.

• 34:16Speaker 02

  Jack, a quick update on the board game because we obviously last episode offered you an assistant. In an Irish chap called Dulter.

• 34:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:26Speaker 02

  Who was out here, um, working for 1800 got junk at the moment. He was able to squeeze one day off a week and could be your assistant to help you at the board game.

• 34:34Speaker 03

  We do mention that company a fair bit. They're not, there's no financial kickbacks going on here.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  No, is there another one that we can name? So we.

• 34:42Speaker 03

  Well, the only reason I mention is I've used him a few times before and it feels, they feel like, I feel like I've overpaid before. So I'm like.

• 34:53Speaker 03

  We keep doing ads for them. I'm happy to if we could come to some sort of refund.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  Why did I say removalist? Works at a removalist company.

• 35:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, just junk removal.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:02Speaker 03

  I'm not saying, I mean, I just feel like I'm, yeah, I just feel like I've had through the nose a few times. But that's all right.

• 35:08Speaker 02

  That's, that simply balances it. I think.

• 35:10Speaker 03

  Simply balances it. That was my opinion, but I'm, but they did, well, I don't know what I'm doing here. We're not, they're not, they're not a sponsor.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  They're not good or bad. They're great. But they're, yeah, whatever. Anyway. I don't think Dulter will mind because why he is working for them, that's not his dream to be a junk removalist. He.

• 35:27Speaker 03

  Would you now, without giving too much away, is it his dream to be a board game founder's assistant?

• 35:32Speaker 02

  Uh, no, that's not his dream either. But I will say that he came with a good energy. Great.

• 35:40Speaker 03

  So he's Irish. I mean, that was the, that was the walk up start. I mean, Irish people have great energy.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  Hamish and I are paying for him to be your assistant because you requested it from us. And hence he actually reports back to us even though you're his boss.

• 35:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, there's a few things. I asked him to secretly record the day.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  So we're going to get a sense. Now, boy, was there a lot to wade through. Well, it was an eight hour day. There was a lot to do.

• 36:10Speaker 03

  Oh my God. And Nick's meant to record so much.

• 36:17Speaker 03

  Jack, my first instinct from me was you didn't really prepare for the day.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  Well, I didn't, uh, I didn't prepare eight hours worth. So when we go, when we were like an hour in and I was looking at my watch thinking it's 10 a.m. Then I started, it felt a bit more like babysitting because I was. It actually took up my time trying to think of things for him to do.

• 36:40Speaker 03

  Interesting question. Is this the first time you've ever had an employee?

• 36:43Speaker 02

  Of course. Yeah.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  No, well, I, yes, this is the first time I've ever had somebody who I had to even give tasks to.

• 36:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  And I don't, I actually don't like that feeling.

• 36:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  I, I, I feel like going.

• 36:58Speaker 03

  Well, you need to be prepared.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. But even like doing something hard, like, oh, could you do this? Like, ah, you probably wouldn't want to do that. I would be terrible to have a real assistant. Even though you asked.

• 37:09Speaker 03

  You literally demanded one and we got you one. So this, yeah, I mean, we haven't like pulled a prank on you or anything here. We literally just followed your request.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  No, well, you did. You, I felt like there was a little bit in bad faith. I, I asked for a paid assistant and I assumed that would be somebody either with board game experience or studying board games.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  Well, see what this is the confusing part is an assistant is there to action your plans. It seemed from me listening to everything throughout the day is you just wanted him to come up with a great board game and you go, yes.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  You wanted someone else to solve the problem.

• 37:42Speaker 03

  No, well, I didn't. I ran out of things for him to do. So come up with board games ideas was like the first thing on my list for him to do.

• 37:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. So that's, so hey, he starts the day.

• 37:50Speaker 03

  You have the idea.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  I'm not ready for, um, yeah, I'm not ready.

• 37:56Speaker 03

  We're not saying tell us the idea, but it can't be his main task to come up with the idea because the idea is meant to be there.

• 38:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. So you, he didn't start recording from the start. He must've been nervous. So, but I can only assume from the conversations I was listening to, that you'd had started with a task of research board games.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 38:14Speaker 02

  I think it was this, research board games? Tell me what type of board games are out there? No, well, okay, that's unfair.

• 38:22Speaker 03

  This is hard from a standing start for him. I mean, you always. I mean, he's, what else can he do but come back and go, right. So there's this one called Monopoly. And you go, yes, I know about that.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  He, he came and he, I asked him what he's good at. And he had just finished doing a history degree at university. He said, I'm very good at research.

• 38:42Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 38:43Speaker 02

  So I said, okay, well, and this was off the top of my head. I didn't have this written down.

• 38:46Speaker 03

  Oh, no shit.

• 38:49Speaker 02

  Why don't you do some market research on board games and that will, this is not what I said to him, but that will buy me some time to think of more things.

• 38:57Speaker 03

  So you're learning. You don't say that to your employees, but why don't you do this while I go in the other room and breathe into a paper bag and just think about what I could get you to do?

• 39:06Speaker 02

  Dulter's answering the brief that we've given him, which is just assist Jack in any way you want. So then Dulter's now asking Jack questions about what he might want to try and get it out of him. This is the first little grab that I've grabbed.

• 39:19Speaker 06

  What is the objective of the game and what purposes is it serving? Is it collaborative and social, strategic and challenging?

• 39:25Speaker 07

  Personally, if I was, if I was choosing not worrying about the audience's expectation, I would make it strategic and challenging.

• 39:32Speaker 06

  Okay, yeah.

• 39:38Speaker 07

  That would be my priority for it.

• 39:41Speaker 03

  So.

• 39:42Speaker 02

  So he's now interviewing.

• 39:45Speaker 03

  You.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  Is that what's going on there? Is he saying to Jack?

• 39:51Speaker 07

  Also, the founder said not caring about the.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  He also said not caring about the audience. I would just like, the whole idea is to care about the audience.

• 40:00Speaker 07

  I said, that was a qualifier. If I wasn't caring about the audience, obviously I am. So I won't just make the game that I want to play.

• 40:07Speaker 02

  So then Dolta's like, well, Dolta's, he's from Ireland. He doesn't know about the podcast. He's now trying to catch up on two things. I'll hold back his fear of our careers and also try to get a scope of what Jack can do with this game. So then he is asking Jack, well, how much of the podcast needs to be in this game?

• 40:26Speaker 06

  People feel connected to you. And I think that's what you're building on. You're building on this kind of relation. You want to have a relationship, I guess, with your players and audience. Cause it is, it's not just a board game. It's one that is connected to you guys as individuals.

• 40:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay, that's important. Cause I think what I was trying to do was make a game that didn't really, didn't have to have themes from the podcast.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  Which makes it no sense.

• 40:56Speaker 03

  The Hamish and Andy podcast, the board game, featuring no connection to the Hamish and Andy podcast. Coming soon. So, can I just say, if someone just tuned in there and, and they're asked, um, what do you think the relationship between these two men is? It sounds like that Irishman is the other man's mentor.

• 41:17Speaker 07

  Yeah. And it's not, it's not an electrifying conversation by any means.

• 41:21Speaker 02

  That is 20 minutes in. That is 20 minutes in. And that's the best grab I could get.

• 41:26Speaker 03

  It sounds like he's the guy trying to help, like you find your way. It sounds like you've paid in a few hundred dollars to like, do a mentoring session.

• 41:36Speaker 07

  Like a life coach, yeah.

• 41:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  Minute 34, this is the next bit where it got to where, where Dolta's still trying to get an understanding from his boss as to what's required for this game.

• 41:48Speaker 06

  Some games I think really fall apart if you, like they say that they're for two to four players, but if you have two, it's quite awkward.

• 41:54Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 41:55Speaker 06

  So I think.

• 41:55Speaker 03

  I pictured more people playing it. I pictured it more social.

• 41:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Okay, so it's still this picture, which I think you keep picturing people playing the game and having fun.

• 42:07Speaker 03

  You're picturing the outcome you want.

• 42:09Speaker 02

  Very vague about what actual game they're playing.

• 42:12Speaker 03

  You have mentioned that a few times, Jack.

• 42:13Speaker 07

  The feeling that I want people to have while they're playing it and the fun experience I want them to have.

• 42:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's like me going, I've, I've got a movie idea. Now the audience is absolutely howling with laughter.

• 42:24Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's good. We're marrying it up now. We know it's a comedy.

• 42:27Speaker 03

  After the show, after the show, they're coming out there, high fiving me and I'm buzzing. Cause it's gone so well. It's gone so well and all the acting was amazing. What's the film about?

• 42:38Speaker 02

  Dolta did a great job. Dolta did a great job, Ham, of.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  Mentoring Jack.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  Continuing to try and ask him questions to work out what he should be doing.

• 42:49Speaker 03

  What am I doing here?

• 42:50Speaker 02

  What am I doing?

• 42:50Speaker 03

  What am I doing here?

• 42:51Speaker 02

  And it hits about minute 46.

• 42:54Speaker 03

  Right.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  Gosh, this was a long listen, by the way, of two men.

• 42:58Speaker 03

  Well done you, mate.

• 43:00Speaker 07

  Hey, well done to me as well, cause I took time out of my day to have meetings with him.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 43:05Speaker 03

  But you're meant to be, this is your job, you said you would work on.

• 43:08Speaker 07

  An assistant is meant to save you time, but I actually felt like if anything, I've spent more time yesterday than I would have.

• 43:14Speaker 03

  Because you haven't been able to clearly articulate to the assistant what the purpose of this company is. What are we making? Because you've turned up, he's turned up for day one at BHP and they've gone, look, we know we want to do something with getting things out of the ground. And he's having to go, okay, well, iron ore is valuable. Have you thought about iron ore? Yeah, yeah, we were, yeah, that's a good one. Imagining how that would be, yeah, by managing a lot of trains filled with iron ore. Okay, how are you going to get it out? Have you got a digger? Right, yes, we need a digger. We will need a digger.

• 43:47Speaker 07

  Don't play any more of this. I feel like we get the ideas.

• 43:50Speaker 02

  This is where, and I've taken it out because it went for too long. Jack, it dawns on Jack that you haven't done any prep or thought of a board game. And he's there going, what are we doing? And you pitch back to him, common man land.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  Pitch, the pitch goes forever, right? So we're not going to listen to it, but you're slowly trying to remember it.

• 44:16Speaker 02

  You're pitching him a board game that both of us have said we don't want.

• 44:20Speaker 07

  Yeah, even I have said on the show, I don't want that. That's all I had to work with.

• 44:24Speaker 03

  So at that stage, you're like, it's more important for this guy to think I've done something.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  And did you, I couldn't wake it up, but did you play it like on Friday or something again? Like to try and remind yourself of common man land? You're like, you, you referenced, you've played it recently with the, did you play it with the professor?

• 44:40Speaker 07

  No, no, the board game professor, the only helpful person I've actually met in this whole thing.

• 44:46Speaker 07

  He came and played, but like the new version of the game I'm, I'm trying to work on.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 44:52Speaker 07

  We played that on Friday.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 44:54Speaker 07

  And that was revealed that the game wasn't very fun. So that, that news.

• 45:01Speaker 03

  Cause I'm sitting here the whole time going, why aren't you telling him about the game you thought of?

• 45:04Speaker 07

  Yes, because the new, the new game I've thought of is now in the bin as well.

• 45:09Speaker 02

  Jack.

• 45:10Speaker 03

  Wow. So hang on, the last time I checked into you, you said you thought you were like out of one to 10. You thought you were a seven, you found out you were a one, now you're a zero.

• 45:17Speaker 02

  Now I'm back to zero, yes. Right, yeah. So he, he then tells this whole story, it goes for a long time. And this is the end of that. This is going to an end and Dolta's response.

• 45:28Speaker 06

  And so if I can ask, what did, you said that he, uh, had some objections or something that kind of stalled its momentum?

• 45:38Speaker 03

  We just played, like we played the idea of how we played it and it just wasn't that strong.

• 45:47Speaker 03

  They just said, it was just actually a bit boring.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  I can't believe.

• 45:54Speaker 07

  I thought we were getting along, but that sounds like two people who are having trouble having a discussion.

• 46:00Speaker 03

  Again, it sounds like he's absolutely your business coach, your life coach, trying to untangle this.

• 46:07Speaker 02

  So then.

• 46:08Speaker 07

  Yeah, that was, so that is me referencing playing with the board game professor, the new game that I thought might be fun.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  So after an hour, after an hour, this and probably close to Dolta's phone running out of, out of space, memory space to actually record this really slow conversation.

• 46:27Speaker 02

  This is where it gets to.

• 46:31Speaker 03

  It's just way harder than I thought it would be to make a good board game.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  Um, so.

• 46:41Speaker 03

  I definitely need to have more of a think about it, but that's good that you're here because today is making me think about the game.

• 46:51Speaker 03

  What, what do we do next?

• 46:56Speaker 02

  What?

• 47:00Speaker 06

  It's a good question.

• 47:06Speaker 02

  I'm sorry.

• 47:08Speaker 03

  I'm sorry. An electric one.

• 47:12Speaker 02

  You've got to come in.

• 47:15Speaker 03

  How's your first day at work? Well, I think work is a strong word.

• 47:21Speaker 02

  I'm really sorry. Here's the kicker, and this is the final question. Did you then ask him to do personal tasks for you?

• 47:31Speaker 07

  He did some yard work so I could think about the game.

• 47:45Speaker 07

  Sorry, I wasn't ready for him and I don't think you should come back next week because I'm not ready for him.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  He did yard work. Listen, I text him and I said, how's your first day on the job? He writes, it was good.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  He's getting 50 bucks an hour.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  It was good, better than I expected, given our first introduction. Might, we might make a board game yet. And I'm going, hey mate, I listened to this. It didn't sound like it was good. I didn't write that, but I just wanted to get a sense from the Irishman that needs a job, how he would approach the feedback. I went, great, so you'd be keen to do more days if required? He's, he wrote back a hundred percent, really appreciate the opportunity.

• 48:32Speaker 03

  Jack, he's in, he's in. He's, he's his boss.

• 48:36Speaker 07

  We, I think, that was just a waste of time for both of us, I think. Good that he was getting paid because he deserved to, but we didn't.

• 48:44Speaker 03

  Especially for his yard work.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I'd say he, Jack has to pay us back for the yard work.

• 48:49Speaker 07

  No, no, no, because I lost time with the board game. I lost time doing the meetings with him.

• 48:54Speaker 03

  We're on time.

• 48:55Speaker 07

  I lost the time I could have used on the board game.

• 48:59Speaker 03

  What board game?

• 49:01Speaker 07

  I could have, that, the two or three hours I spent giving him tasks and coming up with tasks, that could have been spent thinking of the board game. So it's better to not have the assistant going forward until I'm actually in production.

• 49:12Speaker 03

  Okay, so you, uh, would like to pause the assistant?

• 49:14Speaker 07

  Yes, unless you're willing to give the money to the board game professor who's actually helpful.

• 49:18Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 49:19Speaker 07

  That's crazy. We've got a person who has all the knowledge of board games you could possibly have.

• 49:24Speaker 03

  You want someone to do it for you?

• 49:25Speaker 07

  I don't want him to do it for me. I'm, I'm very close to having a breakthrough idea. I just need a bit of help.

• 49:32Speaker 03

  In the yard. Didn't he save you raking and mowing time?

• 49:36Speaker 02

  Mainly splitting wood from the audio I could do.

• 49:39Speaker 07

  He didn't end up splitting wood. He just filled the green bin with some weeds.

• 49:50Speaker 01

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