347 - Three Fact Shootout is back!

Jack kicks off the show with an update on the board game hole he's dug for himself with a pretty unreasonable demand!! The 3 Fact Shootout is back, and thankfully Hamish has improved since the infamous T-shirt fact! Andy sets Hame and Jack a challenge relating to security in his new house, and Hamish slugworths Jack with surprising results! Jack’s Board Game - An Apology and a Pushback Three Fact Shootout is back! Andy’s New House Security Hame’s Hives Slugworth Test

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  Ahoy to my disodium guanulate.

• 0:27Speaker 03

  Yes, I would never, I hope you're not monosodium, Jack, because I'm at least disodium. I'm at least two sodiums because you've got to branch out.

• 0:36Speaker 02

  Well, I've got bad news for Jack because he is monosodium glutamate.

• 0:40Speaker 03

  When you're doing it right, you just do it once.

• 0:42Speaker 02

  Is it really?

• 0:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, we talked about it the other week on the show. That is, we're types of salt or food additives.

• 0:48Speaker 02

  Well done.

• 0:50Speaker 03

  I mean, we can't, we can't be held as geniuses for using our own show as reference.

• 0:54Speaker 02

  We forget our stuff all the time.

• 0:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, but this was, it was a matter of weeks. I, I'm the first to admit that after about four weeks.

• 1:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02Speaker 03

  My memory just falls into an abyss, never to be seen again.

• 1:05Speaker 02

  Well, Jack didn't get it. You talked about it the other day, but Jack didn't have it. I was, I thought, I wondered whether you get it. I'm disodium inosinate. We are the three common flavour enhancers.

• 1:17Speaker 03

  Yes. Why so many? What are they, does it say there what they do? Because I think we talked about it the other week without really understanding what it does. We just were like, these are boosters.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  And MSG, which is what Jack is, enhances savoury or umami flavour? What's umami?

• 1:33Speaker 03

  Mmm, savoury. Basically, I think it's the sixth taste, yeah, or fifth taste. Cheese, cheese is umami, but so is a few other things.

• 1:41Speaker 02

  Essentially, they all enhance umami because they're basically.

• 1:46Speaker 03

  I think there's actually an element of salt to umami as well.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, right.

• 1:50Speaker 03

  Umami is another one of those words, Jack, that pops up all the time in a crossword.

• 1:53Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:54Speaker 03

  Because it, it just must fit and give you some vowels in weird places.

• 1:58Speaker 02

  In my notes here, though, you and Iham are often used alongside the MSG. It, we're not, we're not natural solo players where.

• 2:07Speaker 03

  So when MSG's not enough at this.

• 2:10Speaker 02

  When's that happening?

• 2:11Speaker 03

  We're like Rinse Aid. You can't run the whole dishwasher on it, but if you can remember, this will help. And I say that as someone that has never used Rinse Aid, but I'm aware.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  Oh, man, you've got to use, it will make a difference.

• 2:23Speaker 03

  Really, Jack?

• 2:24Speaker 02

  Because your, your plates are coming out wet. Are they coming out wet?

• 2:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then they go, way wet. And guess what happens? Somehow they dry.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  No, no, you can get them out dry.

• 2:34Speaker 03

  We're in a pretty dry house.

• 2:37Speaker 03

  It's nice to have a little bit of extra moisture in the air.

• 2:39Speaker 02

  Why does the aid help?

• 2:41Speaker 03

  I don't know how a liquid helps dry something, but it can. Do you know what? Someone tried to tell us how dishwasher has.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  This sniffs of a deal, Jack.

• 2:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Aren't you using Rinse Aid?

• 2:53Speaker 03

  This is like a lot like an ad.

• 2:56Speaker 02

  No, but Rin, is Rinse Aid not a brand?

• 2:58Speaker 03

  I think Rinse Aid's a thing. No, it's a different brand.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  It can come in many brands.

• 3:02Speaker 03

  It's safe there.

• 3:03Speaker 02

  What's your preferred, Jack?

• 3:05Speaker 03

  I was hoping you'd ask.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  I am open to anybody who wants to partner.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  If, if Mission Chips starts doing Rinse Aid, we'll find out. Jack's got a preferred tortilla strip and Rinse Aid partner. Yeah, no, Rinse Aid is, is, there's so many mysteries in a dishwasher. Someone, I saw something online that was like, hey, don't rinse off your plates before you put them in the dishwasher.

• 3:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I got told that because I'm a Rinser.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  Because the, um, the dishwasher has the technology to detect how dirty your plate is and it will adjust the washer accordingly. I was like, there's absolutely no way the dishwasher is doing that.

• 3:41Speaker 02

  I got told by the dishwasher guy that came out to fix my dishwasher. He said, are you rinsing? And I said, yes. He goes, you're rinsing too much. And I said, why? He goes, the natural oils, it's, it's designed, the natural oils to help lubricate the system on the inside.

• 3:57Speaker 03

  You're insulting your dishwasher.

• 3:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:59Speaker 03

  You're cleaning before the cleaner comes over and the dishwasher's lost its self-confidence and it will stop washing if it thinks you don't need it.

• 4:05Speaker 02

  What's the point?

• 4:06Speaker 03

  What am I doing here? You obviously think I'm shit. You obviously don't think I do a good job because you do. Like going to the hairdresser pre-cut. Like, just, it's insulting to them.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  That's fair. The other thing that I, I think I've mentioned this before, but the other thing was when I opened the dishwasher and I don't know whether it's been on or not.

• 4:22Speaker 03

  Then that's you've cleaned them too much.

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  I've cleaned them too much. I've rinsed too much.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, that does not surprise me at all.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  Yes. Um, ahoy also to Stuart, who's in Edinburgh, Scotland. He went to hamishandandy.com to tell us what he's been up to.

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  I'm just Stuart.

• 4:35Speaker 04

  Ahoy, boys. It's Stuart here from Edinburgh. I'm just here with my 14 month old son, Rohan. You may hear him in the background there just speaking little boy language. I'm sure Jack, as a little boy himself, will be able to translate for you. I just wanted to call in as you were talking about Sudacreme recently. A fun fact for you, Sudacreme is not actually a creme. It was originally developed in Dublin and was marketed as soothing cream. But because the Irish were such a thick and a fast accent, they would always pronounce soothing cream as Sudacreme. So eventually they just officially changed the name to Sudacreme as everyone was calling it that anyway. So Sudacreme, actually soothing cream, which makes physio creme still the world's number one creme.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  What a great.

• 5:24Speaker 03

  Update on the battle for creams and craisins.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  Can I just say, rest my case at the end of it, wasn't it?

• 5:32Speaker 03

  On, on the topic of accents, I think I speak for everyone when you were like, oh, we've got Stuart here from Edinburgh. Now, is it just me? Or, I mean, because often we have Aussie expats.

• 5:43Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 5:44Speaker 03

  I was like, please be Scottish. Because I think when you think you're going to hear a Scottish accent, you get excited to hear it.

• 5:50Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 5:50Speaker 03

  Would have been, I'm, you know, sure Stuart, the Australian would have been a great guy, but there would be a part of us going, we were a bit robbed of a Scottish accent. We thought we were going to get one. I was so glad that he was a, he's a true, true Edinburghian.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  I agree. Thank you, Stuart. Um, Jack, I've got a text message from Jack Hame.

• 6:10Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  Yesterday that said, hey, I've got a board game update. If we can fit it in, I'm like, of course we can fit it in. This is.

• 6:19Speaker 03

  I mean, I can't remember, it was a couple of weeks ago, but isn't the new deadline now back out to end of year 2027?

• 6:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 6:25Speaker 03

  Before Christmas 2027.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 6:27Speaker 03

  Yeah. Actually had a few emails from people going, I'd like to preorder for Christmas 2027.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  No, no, no, we won't be starting.

• 6:34Speaker 03

  Jack, take it. You need it. You might need it to finance things.

• 6:38Speaker 02

  Don't take it, Jack.

• 6:41Speaker 03

  No, it would be a shameful handback.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:43Speaker 03

  Yeah. But I'm, I'm, I'll be, what I'm going to say is I'll be deeply surprised if Jack's like, I'm surprisingly, things are going great and I'm pulling forward the release date.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  Well, impossible, because that's what I'm about to tell you. It's like.

• 6:56Speaker 03

  Impossible.

• 6:57Speaker 02

  Wow, impossible to do for this Christmas if that's what you're getting at. Just, it has to be a Christmas release, you reckon?

• 7:02Speaker 03

  Well, I. Father's Day is the other big one that like fragrances and books aim for. It's going to be Father's Day next year.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  It's more likely to push to 2028 than it is to come forward in 2027.

• 7:13Speaker 03

  Of course, because you're in charge. Yeah, so far there's been no surprises as yet during, during the episodes, during this episode of Hamish and Andy, the surprise count is at zero.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  That is what my update is about. I would like to say.

• 7:25Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, Jack, it's a year and a half away.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  No, I'm not, I'm not asking for any extension, but I am, I want to do two things.

• 7:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:32Speaker 02

  First, an apology and then I guess like a defensive claim.

• 7:37Speaker 03

  Okay, give us the apology. Do you want any music behind the apology?

• 7:39Speaker 02

  No, no, no, it's just a, a mass apology to anybody who is sending their board game ideas and concepts either through email or DM. Because I'm not reading them anymore. There's just too many coming in.

• 7:52Speaker 03

  Right. What did you say anymore? Had you been reading them?

• 7:55Speaker 02

  Well, when I, well, Ben's was an example of one that I read early on, but I can't.

• 7:59Speaker 03

  In this, yeah, in the intellectual property game, Jack, you can't look at it because then later on someone can go, I gave you that idea. Even if they didn't, or even if you had the same idea, you know, this is what we get. You get taught this in TV day one, like two decades ago. You have to just be like, sorry, sure, it's a great idea, but not looking at it.

• 8:17Speaker 02

  Yes, and that, I'm worried about that because all the concepts around themes of the show. So people, when my board games finally made, people could easily go like, hey, wait a second. I was going to have a power moves card in there, for example. That's my idea.

• 8:31Speaker 03

  Who sent you that one?

• 8:32Speaker 02

  No, well, everybody, everybody wants to stick a power moves card in there. I'm just not reading them anymore and I'm sorry because I can tell that some people have put in a lot of work. There's, there's people who've got page, like PDFs of 11 pages of different rules and like, but I can't look at any more AI designs of different board games. And I can't read any more rules or concepts.

• 8:54Speaker 03

  Is part of this because it also hurts you at some level because all of these people sound like they've put more work in than you have. And you are, you're meant to be in charge.

• 9:05Speaker 02

  Is that, is that crippling for you? So like you're, you're meant to be a fast runner and people keep sending you their times that are really fast.

• 9:11Speaker 03

  You said you're going to win the 400 metres at the Olympics and everyone's going, well, my training's going well. Like, please don't, is that it?

• 9:17Speaker 02

  No, that's not it. And this brings me perfectly to part two, which is the defensive claim.

• 9:22Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  So I met with somebody this week.

• 9:24Speaker 03

  Another person?

• 9:25Speaker 02

  Yep. He is the only person who emailed and didn't say, I've got a board game concept for you. He said, I'll just give you some advice because he is a board game lecturer at university.

• 9:36Speaker 03

  Oh, what a subject. Where can you do that course?

• 9:40Speaker 02

  It's at Swinburne.

• 9:42Speaker 03

  Cash under the table for Jack. And guess who just became an honorary doctorate?

• 9:47Speaker 02

  So what's, what is the major? Like what's?

• 9:51Speaker 05

  It's game design. So they do board games in the first year, then they go on to digital games.

• 9:56Speaker 03

  Oh, do you graduate? Okay, yeah, okay. And in between, they do operation because it's half digital, half board game. It has a nine volt battery. So we're beginning to get a bit of electricity in our games.

• 10:09Speaker 05

  Yes. So I met with, his name is David Harris. He was great. He's the board game professor. And he confirmed for me what I feared was true. Everybody's sending in their concepts and ideas. He said, that's the easy part. Coming up with a concept or a theme for your game.

• 10:28Speaker 03

  You haven't even done the easy part.

• 10:30Speaker 05

  The hard part is the mechanics and making sure that it mechanically works and that it's fun. And that it is replayable.

• 10:39Speaker 03

  And that it's repeatable in a different mode. I think that's the hard part about it. You look at any good game and it's like, well, you can keep playing this and it's going to be different next game.

• 10:48Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 10:48Speaker 03

  With the slight exception of, guess who? If you get paid twice, your opponent might have got someone else. So that's okay.

• 10:56Speaker 05

  Yes. So this is where I'm at now. And this is a real worry for me is that everybody thinks it's very easy to make a board game. Cause everyone's having these concepts. Ah, this, I was just at the sink and I had this idea for a board game. Here it is. Everyone thinks it's easy, but it's actually very, very hard. Labor intensive. You said you've got to do a lot of iteration, a lot of play tests. You'll be working at it over and over again until you get it right. So behind the scenes, it's very hard. And that's the opposite to what I like, where I like people to think something is very hard, but it's actually very achievable. And now we've got the complete inverse of that, which people think this is very achievable and easy to do, but actually it's very hard.

• 11:35Speaker 03

  Right.

• 11:36Speaker 05

  No, no. So that's just, I just want to, I guess what I want from you is an acknowledgement of that.

• 11:41Speaker 03

  So sorry, you need us to go, we're very proud of you. You're a very special boy, even though you've done no work on this yet.

• 11:50Speaker 05

  No, I have done, I have, I have done some work.

• 11:52Speaker 02

  Would you say that the professor inspired you or demoralized you?

• 11:57Speaker 05

  He did because my, my concept for the game that I have, he thinks is strong. And I'm not, I'm not releasing that yet.

• 12:05Speaker 03

  Okay, that's good.

• 12:06Speaker 05

  There's a lot of work, invisible work here for the board game. So.

• 12:12Speaker 03

  Can you name some invisible work you've done?

• 12:14Speaker 05

  Well, I've, I've got my concept and I've started on the mechanics. So it's actually.

• 12:19Speaker 03

  Remember the concept's the easy bit. Can you name?

• 12:21Speaker 05

  And I've started, I've started on the mechanics, which is the hard bit. So the actual gameplay.

• 12:26Speaker 03

  What does that look like starting on the mechanics?

• 12:28Speaker 05

  Well, I've got an idea for it.

• 12:31Speaker 03

  Okay. So an idea's the easy bit?

• 12:34Speaker 05

  Well, he's, yeah, which is, and I asked him, I was like, how far along am I from a scale of one to 10? He said, I'm at one. I'm at one. And everybody who's sending their idea, we're all at one.

• 12:44Speaker 03

  Did you think you were at eight?

• 12:45Speaker 05

  I thought I was at least halfway.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  Well, so what I can gather here then, Jack, is we have to go now. Well done.

• 12:56Speaker 05

  No, I just want.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  Keep going.

• 12:59Speaker 03

  What is the point of this analogy? This is NASA coming out and like mid sixties and going, do you have any idea how hard it is to get to the moon? Like, do you have any idea? Everyone going, yes, that's why the, the eyes of the world are upon you.

• 13:15Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 13:15Speaker 03

  What have you done? Well, nothing yet. But we just, we're actually finding it quite annoying being in at work every day and just maths and maths and science and oh, you'll die if you explode. And we're not, we're not moving until the crowd acknowledges how hard this is.

• 13:30Speaker 05

  Well, the analogy is great, Ham, because NASA said they were going to do it. Jack, you said you were going to do it. So it's, it's not like we have asked you and we're not appreciative.

• 13:41Speaker 03

  We didn't have a bucket in here of jobs that we all had to undertake and you pulled out and make a board game. You, you volunteered.

• 13:48Speaker 05

  I just hate this scenario. I work behind the scenes, toil away, day in, day out, late nights. Then I bring in a board game and it's pretty good. And you guys go like, oh, that was fun. But you think I did it in half an hour.

• 14:01Speaker 02

  That's a risky run.

• 14:02Speaker 05

  I just hate that. I hate that. I hate that.

• 14:04Speaker 03

  Think about people that make a movie, Jack. Think about people that make a motion picture.

• 14:08Speaker 05

  Because people know they're hard. See, this is, they did two different analogies. It's like.

• 14:12Speaker 03

  Three years making a movie, all the people on set, all the script revisions, the actors, scenes that get cut, editing years and years. And then it goes to the movies and people go, yeah, that wasn't that good.

• 14:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's what happens.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  That's what happens. That's life.

• 14:26Speaker 05

  I would like to request one paid assistant.

• 14:31Speaker 03

  No, but what if we could organize?

• 14:34Speaker 02

  Just say you're not gonna do it. Just give up.

• 14:36Speaker 05

  No, I'm gonna do it.

• 14:38Speaker 02

  Then what do you want from this?

• 14:39Speaker 03

  Jack, what I actually think, what I, no, you don't. Cause you're just trying to get out of work.

• 14:44Speaker 05

  No, he, he or she will do some of the labor intensive stuff while I do the, the brain stuff.

• 14:50Speaker 03

  Jack, here's what I actually think you want. And we, I, we will organize this for you at any point in the next year. So kind of like from now until the second half of next year. What I think you want is a room full of 50 people applauding you and going, keep it up. We're very proud of you for doing all the hard work we don't know about.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  I think you want a round of applause for having to do work.

• 15:11Speaker 05

  And no one is allowed to come out later and say, oh, he should have done my idea that I emailed in again.

• 15:18Speaker 03

  Cause that was way better. No one's allowed. No, this is the thing, Jack.

• 15:20Speaker 05

  No, but you don't read them out or anything.

• 15:22Speaker 03

  No, no, but you're putting something out in the world. So you might not have universal love for it. There might be a critic, but you still have to do it anyway.

• 15:32Speaker 02

  This is a lovely lesson for kids or anyone.

• 15:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. I feel like I'm talking to my son to go, well.

• 15:38Speaker 02

  Be prepared to fail.

• 15:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. You might actually, you can't go, no one's.

• 15:41Speaker 05

  If we fail, we all go down.

• 15:43Speaker 03

  No way. You're the one that made the movie.

• 15:45Speaker 05

  In the shops, you guys are on the front cover.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  Oh, okay, mate. It's not going in the shops if it's a failure. And I tell you this, mate, be prepared to feel a little armpit.

• 15:53Speaker 03

  We're not hitting it. So insulate ourselves from that. No way. Reputation's the most important thing. I don't want anyone criticizing me. No way.

• 16:05Speaker 02

  Guys, I'm springing something on you both. I don't think we've done this for over a year, actually. But we had fun with it back in the day and it caused a fair bit of controversy.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  A three fact shootout.

• 16:23Speaker 05

  Three fact shootout, baby. All right.

• 16:25Speaker 02

  We made a pledge to each other that if someone.

• 16:27Speaker 03

  It's been a year.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  I checked with Marshy because I said, I think the pledge was if any of us stumbled across a fact, you can't Google it. That you think's impressive, you bring it to the group for a three fact shootout.

• 16:41Speaker 03

  To see if it holds up.

• 16:42Speaker 02

  To see if it holds up against the others. I got told a fact during the week that I went, oh, that's a cracker.

• 16:49Speaker 03

  Okay. Well, just on this, the original three fact shootout was t-shirts, called a t-shirt because it's in the shape of a T. I still get people coming up to me going, thank you.

• 16:59Speaker 02

  No, you don't.

• 17:01Speaker 03

  I do, mate. I'll take a photo of them next time.

• 17:05Speaker 02

  Now, we all knew a t-shirt was a T because of the shape of the T.

• 17:08Speaker 03

  In the room did, but there's many others in the world that didn't. And I've, and I'm glad that that fact was out there.

• 17:13Speaker 02

  So the way this works.

• 17:14Speaker 03

  Fact, fact, fact, fact.

• 17:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Drop the music for a sec, Jack.

• 17:17Speaker 03

  Oh, I do have one.

• 17:18Speaker 02

  So the, the way this works is I will present a fact. You guys will probably criticize.

• 17:25Speaker 03

  Well, it better be damn good. We've obviously had time to prepare. You've had a year.

• 17:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, I never year. I got one during the week. I went, oh.

• 17:32Speaker 03

  Pretending you got it during the week. You've been working on it for a year.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  You don't work on a fact.

• 17:37Speaker 05

  And definitely puts more pressure on yours as well, that you have brought it to the group, whereas Hamish and I are reacting. Do you have one?

• 17:43Speaker 02

  I've got one. I've got one from today.

• 17:45Speaker 03

  Can I?

• 17:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, from today.

• 17:46Speaker 03

  I've got a choice of two facts. Can a fact be a trivia question you heard recently repurposed?

• 17:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:55Speaker 02

  That's, that's exactly what this is.

• 17:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  You've got two, you only can go with one.

• 18:00Speaker 03

  I'm actually gonna go with a different and more, a more interesting fact. Yeah.

• 18:03Speaker 02

  Okay. And then.

• 18:04Speaker 03

  Not the trivia question.

• 18:06Speaker 02

  Then we'll hear Ham's, then we'll hear Jack's, and then between the three of us, we'll decide whose fact was the best. And the one that would probably blow people away the most in a social situation.

• 18:19Speaker 03

  Isn't there a shooting component at the end where we shoot the worst?

• 18:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, you shoot both.

• 18:23Speaker 03

  So if I'm shooting, yeah. So if I'm shooting, I know because it can be obviously a three way shot.

• 18:29Speaker 02

  Yep. I think there's a winner though. I think we, I think we basically deem the winner and the other two.

• 18:33Speaker 03

  So it's less of a quick draw, more of just an execution.

• 18:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. We all quick drawed.

• 18:38Speaker 03

  Yep. Do you know what I'm saying? We could all just be shooting one other guy, which would be three people dying.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:43Speaker 03

  But we want one standing. So you, if we discuss amongst ourselves, okay, Jack's the winner. Does that just mean, okay, well, I'm going to shoot Andy?

• 18:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I shoot Ham.

• 18:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. And we're obviously going to die. And Jack, you, we just shoot one of us for fun, I guess. Cause you brought your gun along and you want to shoot someone.

• 19:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think that's kind of how it works. All right. Hit us, hit us back up.

• 19:04Speaker 03

  Clunkie bit, yeah.

• 19:10Speaker 02

  Get a load of this.

• 19:13Speaker 02

  I was, we're talking about animals and I was like, oh, you don't see too many new animals these days. We've collected, we've collected the set.

• 19:21Speaker 03

  What do you mean? Well, evolution, in our lifetime, we haven't seen a new species evolve.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was kind of what I was thinking.

• 19:29Speaker 05

  Or you mean, we haven't discovered new species?

• 19:31Speaker 02

  Discovered new species.

• 19:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, we discover them all the time, don't we? Aren't there insects all the time being discovered?

• 19:36Speaker 02

  16,000 new species of animal every year.

• 19:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, insects, I knew that. Boring.

• 19:47Speaker 02

  No, not just, not just insects.

• 19:49Speaker 03

  Oh man, they're not discovering new mammals. They're not going, oh my god, oh, yeah, big as an elephant.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  No, I knew monkey was discovered this year.

• 19:56Speaker 03

  I bet it looks very similar to a current one.

• 19:59Speaker 05

  I reckon that's my red flag on that. It's small variations of ones we know.

• 20:04Speaker 02

  That is incredible. 16,000 new species of animal each year.

• 20:10Speaker 03

  Sad to see you now so desperately trying to pop this back up.

• 20:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, it'll be like a red kangaroo and then it'll be like, oh, slightly orange kangaroo. It's like, he looks the same.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  But they've, they've proven to be a different species. That's incredible.

• 20:23Speaker 03

  What percentage of that is mammals?

• 20:26Speaker 02

  I don't know, I didn't go that far.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, we've had a whole year to work on it.

• 20:29Speaker 02

  I got it this week, I got it this week.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  It's all in the Amazon. It'll just be beetles and, you know, tiny things that we're now finding the bottom of the ocean or whatever.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  I did hear that it's only five to 10 types of birds.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, we've seen a lot of them. We've got a whole, I mean, one of the main hobbies in the world is watching birds.

• 20:50Speaker 02

  They're still popping up, new birds.

• 20:52Speaker 05

  That's pretty, that's pretty good. That's all right.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  That's amazing if we've never seen a bird before, but the, the rest is, I think we just assume that as technology gets better and we can go deeper in the ocean and we just can look a bit closer, we're going to find new stuff.

• 21:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:07Speaker 05

  Did you think arrogant to think we've found it all? Like, if it's, if it's 15,900 bugs and 10 new birds, that's not that impressive.

• 21:15Speaker 03

  Yeah. And remembering that people register as bird watchers, the idea of finding birds has a dedicated, free workforce out there all the time looking at birds.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  I just think if I rephrased it and said to you guys, how many new species of animal do you think we see each year?

• 21:33Speaker 03

  I'd say including insects, hundreds of thousands.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  Nah, 16,000.

• 21:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, that's even less of an exciting fact because I thought it was hundreds of thousands.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  Give us your fact. Look forward to seeing how I respond.

• 21:46Speaker 05

  That's one thing I forgot about this. You have to be somewhat appreciative of another.

• 21:51Speaker 03

  Pretty good fact, pretty good fact.

• 21:55Speaker 03

  That was good. Really?

• 21:57Speaker 05

  Really?

• 21:58Speaker 02

  That is a lot.

• 21:59Speaker 03

  Five new birds.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I remember.

• 22:01Speaker 03

  It's not like.

• 22:02Speaker 02

  I remember when it was happening five minutes ago.

• 22:04Speaker 03

  It's not, I suppose it's not going to be a bird that's twice the size of a pelican or something. And they're like, oh, we just never noticed it. Um, mine's actually an insect fact as well.

• 22:14Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 22:14Speaker 03

  But the most glorious and noble of all the insects, the bee. Now, it won't surprise you to learn that I'm quite deep in bee world at the moment. I'm learning a lot about bees and honey in my time away from the pod. As we race towards the launch of Hame's hives. Did you know, here's an interesting fact about drones, male bees, right? The, the drone bees, which make up a lot of the hive. Drone bees have a mum, but no dad, but they do have a grandfather.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  Hmm, sounds like a riddle.

• 22:51Speaker 03

  It is kind of is a riddle. A rich man wants them, but never needs them. It's father time.

• 23:00Speaker 03

  Usually it's father time in a riddle. And all drone bees, dad, it's father time. No, it's because queens just give, just like lay a cell and if it doesn't get inseminated, it just becomes a man, it becomes a boy bee and that's a drone bee. But a queen, a female bee needs a male to inseminate the cell. So to make a girl bee.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 23:23Speaker 03

  Either a queen or a worker bee who are female, the, they have to be, um.

• 23:29Speaker 02

  So they lay a cell out there and so, and so, and you just kind of roll past.

• 23:33Speaker 05

  The technical term?

• 23:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:34Speaker 05

  In the beekeeping.

• 23:36Speaker 03

  So where do you think the phrase bee's dick comes from? I'll have to see if they're using it for something.

• 23:42Speaker 02

  So they just lay a cell out there and anyone can wander by and go, I'll have a bit of that.

• 23:46Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah.

• 23:49Speaker 03

  I'm learning, I haven't kind of got down to that level of the, but I think they know how many drone bees they need. So the queen just pumps them out. Doesn't need a man to make a drone. They just turn into drones.

• 23:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  But if you need to make a new queen bee or a female worker bee.

• 24:03Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  You do need a father for that. So every queen bee has a dad, which means every, every child of hers has a granddad.

• 24:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:11Speaker 03

  But, but he doesn't have a dad.

• 24:13Speaker 02

  That's interesting. That's pretty good.

• 24:15Speaker 05

  Pretty good.

• 24:16Speaker 03

  And even isn't it amazing that drones go out and they do all this work and they'll never know the approval of a father. They never know it.

• 24:23Speaker 03

  But their mum is obviously such a big deal in the hive. They don't need it. They don't need no man. I mean, they are a man, but they're like, well, mum's all I've ever needed. We don't know any other way. She's happy with me.

• 24:34Speaker 02

  And I can live like that.

• 24:35Speaker 03

  I've got my granddad if I need.

• 24:39Speaker 05

  Jack. All right. Mine comes from Cambo, who works on the show now, doing what WebGez and Jazz used to do, doing all the videos. He's talking about The Odyssey, which is playing in IMAX here in Melbourne.

• 24:51Speaker 03

  Oh, right. Yeah, the Christopher Nolan film.

• 24:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, I haven't seen it.

• 24:54Speaker 03

  Matt Damon, yeah.

• 24:55Speaker 05

  But he said, why it's so popular and sold out at IMAX in particular is because it's the only IMAX in the southern hemisphere that's playing it. And there's only like 30 proper IMAX.

• 25:06Speaker 03

  I think there's 39 proper IMAXs in the world.

• 25:09Speaker 05

  Yeah. So I was looking at that and then I came across this fact. To shoot on that big film, Christopher Nolan.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, you only get like three minutes of footage. What were you going to say?

• 25:19Speaker 05

  No, that is, that is one of the things.

• 25:23Speaker 05

  I've got more, I've got more. You can only shoot for 70 mil, 70 mil, isn't it?

• 25:27Speaker 03

  70 mil, sorry. I thought the three minutes in the canister, the film canister, that was common knowledge. What's your fact?

• 25:32Speaker 05

  So yes, you can only shoot for three minutes, but when the film is made and delivered to the different IMAXs around the world, the whole film. Real weighs 240 kilograms.

• 25:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, makes sense because there's so much of it.

• 25:46Speaker 05

  The size of a vending machine or a medium motor, medium motor sized, medium sized motorcycle.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  It's good. It's good.

• 25:59Speaker 05

  Can you imagine the protectionist who gets that delivery?

• 26:02Speaker 03

  Well, if they're not expecting it, if they're expecting a thumb drive, they will be shocked.

• 26:08Speaker 05

  Strongest man in the world that has to feed the film in.

• 26:12Speaker 05

  Um, I'm going to regretfully say that I think Hame's grandfather bee story.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:21Speaker 05

  It was interesting fact, but it had the emotion behind it.

• 26:26Speaker 05

  Of these drone bees that don't have a dad.

• 26:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:30Speaker 05

  Um, which I think means.

• 26:32Speaker 02

  You shoot us.

• 26:32Speaker 05

  You shoot both of us in a quick draw.

• 26:34Speaker 03

  Oh, you give me your guns.

• 26:36Speaker 05

  Well, we've all got guns.

• 26:37Speaker 03

  Well, I need you to put your, I need you to put your hands on your head so I know you're not going to blow.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 26:43Speaker 05

  Here we go.

• 26:43Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 26:46Speaker 03

  I shot one of you twice.

• 26:49Speaker 05

  No, now I remember, now I remember what happened. We all, we all had to pull a gun at the same time and shot.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 26:56Speaker 05

  And then two people fell. So it was three gunshots and someone didn't get hit, but someone didn't get hit, which is you.

• 27:03Speaker 03

  Okay, great.

• 27:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:04Speaker 03

  Even if you were aiming at me, the, what, my force field of interesting fact protected me.

• 27:10Speaker 05

  I think your, your interesting fact that allowed the bullet to travel faster and hit one of us who flew, who shot in the air.

• 27:19Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, great. So I changed my ammunition. Right. I'm shooting a gun, the muzzle velocity based on level of interesting. Oh, your bullet would never even get to me.

• 27:31Speaker 03

  If it's relevant to bullet speed.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  It just rolled up and hit you in the toe.

• 27:35Speaker 03

  Still in the air, still in the air, still in the air. Probably just leave the room before it gets to my head.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  Guys.

• 27:49Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  I've got a chance for you both, well, actually for one of you, if you're successful.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  To win a hundred pizzas.

• 28:01Speaker 02

  To be a permanent fixture of our house.

• 28:05Speaker 03

  Of the castle.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  Of the house we're building.

• 28:08Speaker 05

  Right, like an artwork on the wall. Well, let me explain.

• 28:11Speaker 03

  Jack, have you seen Star Wars? He's gonna dip us in liquid. Dip us in, he's gonna freeze us and put us on the wall like Jabba the Hutt. Cause I do, I mean, Star Wars fans will be going crazy at me now because I can't remember the name of Carbonite. Carbonite, that's what Han Solo gets dipped in.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 28:27Speaker 03

  I do envisage, Ando, your land room very much like Jabba the Hutt headquarters.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  People, mostly probably tradies are coming over to like, go, hey, can we get paid, mate? You know, we worked for nine years on this house and you're just sort of there and people are playing like different instruments and stuff. And you're just, you know, me or Jack's on your wall as a trophy.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I mean, this, this, it won't be a trophy. It won't be like, it's not visual, but let me explain. So Beck, we're leaving the house the other day. I think I might have told you a little bit of this, Hen. Leaving the house the other day and Beck goes, oh, I'm just loving it. I'm so grateful. This is, this is, it's awesome. And I was like, same, I'm feeling so grateful.

• 29:09Speaker 03

  It'd be wild, it'd be wild if it was the opposite.

• 29:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:11Speaker 05

  And she said.

• 29:12Speaker 03

  You know what?

• 29:13Speaker 05

  Six fireplaces isn't enough.

• 29:15Speaker 03

  When we, when we did the design, it seemed like it'd be big enough, but now I just think we could have had, we could have built a bigger one better.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  And then she says, I'd never stay here without you, but you know, I'm loving it.

• 29:29Speaker 05

  What? So you have to be in the house every moment she's in there?

• 29:32Speaker 02

  And I said, what do you mean? She says, oh, I'd be too scared.

• 29:36Speaker 03

  It's a big castle. It's weird to have something haunted fresh. You're brand new haunted.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  And I said, well, that's, that's not great. No, that's, that's a problem. That's a huge problem.

• 29:46Speaker 03

  And she's like. I meant your head's gonna be her head.

• 29:49Speaker 02

  She says, no, I'll just go stay at my mum's when you're away. I was like, no, I'm away a lot. Like this is, she goes, yeah, well, maybe she can come and stay here. I said, no, like, what is, what is the issue? She goes, oh, well, you know, there's, there's glass, you can see out, like, and people can see. And I was like, yeah, that's, most houses have windows. She goes, yeah, I just don't think I'd feel comfy. I said, well, we need to make you feel comfortable.

• 30:10Speaker 03

  The biggest, the benefit for Beck here is that like even let's say there were an intruder got onto the property. It could take them hours and hours and hours to find her. And then you could go, there's someone on the property. They'd be like, yeah, this would be like playing hide and seek in Manhattan. Like, okay, well.

• 30:28Speaker 05

  He's been an intruder for three weeks. We just haven't known he was here.

• 30:31Speaker 03

  They're not gonna find me.

• 30:34Speaker 05

  Find someone wasting away. Do you need water, mate?

• 30:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I've just been warming myself using one of the lesser used fireplaces.

• 30:41Speaker 05

  So it's too big. Is that the problem?

• 30:43Speaker 02

  It's tavernous and scary. It's not about big. Like Beck has this as well with regard to any place that, that she, she doesn't like staying at home at all by herself.

• 30:52Speaker 03

  It's not, I mean, yeah, so it's voice similar concern, although very rare you're at home without the kids or the other person. But I've done it once in our house. We've been there for five years. And it happened last year and I was like, I don't even know what to do. I was full, she should be just sliding around the house in her socks like.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  Exactly. And I think it's a, to be honest, I think it's a benefit and a luxury males have a lot where I think females, to be stereotypical, do worry about this stuff. So I said, well, we have to fix this. We will up the security. Like what do we need to put in this? So a security expert comes around.

• 31:27Speaker 03

  This is where me and Jack come in. We're guards.

• 31:31Speaker 03

  Awesome.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  And they're talking about how they can secure all the windows and all these trips and stuff, like, not like trips, like explosion, you know, like, like lasers.

• 31:40Speaker 03

  Like Home Alone booby traps.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  No, no, like, you know, they, they can, you know, detect and, and alert and all these types of things. And then the guy goes, now, if someone does make it inside the house, what do you want to happen? I was like, well, I'd like them to leave. He said, well.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  Have you seen the board game Mousetrap?

• 31:59Speaker 03

  We would love that.

• 32:00Speaker 02

  You joke, he said.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  Do they do cages?

• 32:03Speaker 02

  He goes, we could trap them. And I said, what do you mean? Like we, he goes, we can lock certain doors in a certain way. So they run, often burglars run around to try and get out to an open door and you, they can work that, we can work them way, them into a certain room in the house.

• 32:20Speaker 03

  They're always gonna be able to get out of a chimney though with six fireplaces. They'll just reverse Santa. That's the biggest security threat to the house.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  Well, they might have thought of that even. So I said, well, no, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to trap anyone in there.

• 32:35Speaker 03

  You can't want them to get out, don't you? Like, like a bird that gets in a cafe.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Yes, that's what I think.

• 32:40Speaker 03

  You want to do everything you can to keep them from getting in. Once in, you want to fast out. Exactly like a bird in a cafe, to be honest.

• 32:47Speaker 05

  So you want a big, you want a big sheet.

• 32:49Speaker 03

  You want a tea towel.

• 32:51Speaker 05

  The bird with the big sheet.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  So then I say, yeah, we would like them out. He said, well, what do you want playing to get them out? He said, we could have a song, you could have your voice. And I was like, what do you mean? It's like, there's a pre-recorded track, you know, you, some people play classical music to, and I said, right.

• 33:09Speaker 03

  Do they really? What to calm them down?

• 33:11Speaker 02

  Like just to say, we're home and we're on to you, you know, I posted on a.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  Here's where the competition comes in.

• 33:20Speaker 05

  I wouldn't instantly know that classical music in a house I was robbing meant we're home and we're on to you.

• 33:26Speaker 03

  Yes. Yeah, I agree, Jack. I don't know if criminals know this.

• 33:30Speaker 02

  I think it's more like something's playing, oh no.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 33:34Speaker 02

  They're on to me. Like all lights on, for instance, all lights on, music plays. Okay.

• 33:40Speaker 03

  If just a quick sidebar, if this was the person saying to you, do you want to trap them or get them out? Or they gave you the option, or do you want to mess with them? Would you, would you mess with them as a true king would in his castle, as Jabba the Hutt would?

• 33:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was keen for mess with.

• 33:57Speaker 03

  Yep. Could we have, could we have the floor open up and there's actually a pit of combat underneath?

• 34:03Speaker 03

  We know we've excavated enough.

• 34:04Speaker 02

  That all sounded like fun, but when I actually thought of the terrifying moment that it might be to have an intruder, like, oh, less fun to have a mess with. But then I went back to fun because this is where the competition starts between the two of you. I'd like a song. It can be a cover or an original. From both of you.

• 34:24Speaker 03

  For your intruder system.

• 34:26Speaker 05

  To evict the intruder.

• 34:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, to evict the intruder and whoever is the most impressive song will be the song played at any intruder that gets into my house forever.

• 34:37Speaker 03

  Thus incentivizing us to break into your house to get airplay up of our song.

• 34:44Speaker 05

  And receive royalties.

• 34:46Speaker 03

  Under the disaster scenario where no one ever breaks in, no one will ever get to hear it. That would be a shame. Okay, how long do you want it?

• 34:54Speaker 05

  What, what, give us more of a brief. Would you want us to scare them out? Do you want, I think.

• 34:59Speaker 02

  Do you want to be instructional? The brief is simply a song that encourages people to leave.

• 35:07Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 35:07Speaker 03

  Yep. Okay. Lights are on.

• 35:09Speaker 02

  You've got a week.

• 35:11Speaker 03

  Yep. So, okay, yep.

• 35:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, no worries. They can do.

• 35:21Speaker 03

  Gentlemen, something is buzzing away fervently in the background and that's of course Hame's Hives.

• 35:30Speaker 03

  The next newsletter is on the verge of going out. Cause there are just updates galore.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  And did you send that newsletter that you promised to send?

• 35:37Speaker 03

  Are you not on the, are you not on the mailing list at hame'shives.com?

• 35:40Speaker 05

  Well, I don't want to buy a bee for $5.

• 35:42Speaker 03

  You don't have to buy a bee for $5. It says, would you be, that was old. It was like theoretically, would you sponsor a bee for $5? And a lot of people, the vast majority say, yeah, I mean, you don't have to buy a, we're not selling the bees yet.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 35:55Speaker 03

  And you're not buying a bee.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:56Speaker 03

  You're sponsoring a bee. Okay. So you don't own the bee. I encourage you to sign up and you might get the first two volumes of, of Hame's Hives news.

• 36:06Speaker 02

  For those who won't sign up.

• 36:07Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 36:11Speaker 03

  Give us an update. I'll give you a logistical update. We have the hundred hives are in, entering construction.

• 36:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 36:20Speaker 03

  So obviously where we're at now, we're coming out of winter, we're heading into spring.

• 36:24Speaker 05

  I thought you were buying them. I thought you'd buy pre-made hives.

• 36:28Speaker 03

  Well, the company we're dealing with, they'll build them, they'll place them. Right, right. In, in the, or cross through the depths of the southern isle, around the Otago region for people that know the South Island of New Zealand. But you know, primo spots, right? That's happening. Working intently with our branding agency, they're out of Adelaide, great, great gang there.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  How'd you find them?

• 36:51Speaker 03

  Through the, through industry contacts. Have had, I don't want to give too much IP away here, but bottle and jar prototypes that I've been selecting.

• 37:02Speaker 05

  You've been busy. Well done.

• 37:04Speaker 03

  I gotta be honest with you guys. I'm genuinely starting a honeycomb.

• 37:09Speaker 03

  There's a lot to do. And I'll tell you what's hard about it. Usually Andy does a lot of stuff. And I will quite often find myself sitting there going, I haven't thought, what, what's, what's going on with the bottle seals? And then I'll go, oh, that's me.

• 37:27Speaker 03

  I have to send that email. Anyway, that's all fun. Did a quick trip over to New Zealand to scout out the highest hives locations. Cause at the moment, we're obviously still.

• 37:35Speaker 02

  How high do you reckon you can go?

• 37:36Speaker 03

  Near the snow line, fifteen hundred metres.

• 37:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:39Speaker 03

  I went up into the snow in New Zealand to have a little look around.

• 37:42Speaker 05

  You went skiing with your family.

• 37:43Speaker 03

  What's that?

• 37:44Speaker 05

  You went skiing with your family.

• 37:45Speaker 03

  Uh, I went scouting.

• 37:49Speaker 03

  And I, up in the snow, took a pogo for a business card, just in case I saw some bees up there. Just to go, you're exactly the kind of young man, you know, a young lady, actually, if it's a worker bee.

• 37:59Speaker 05

  Worker bee. But did you, here's the good thing, did you see any bees or insects at all above?

• 38:05Speaker 03

  At the snow level. I think into the snow, it's too far.

• 38:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:09Speaker 03

  And whether one or two were up there doing their own private training camp, I didn't see them.

• 38:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  Um, and so, you know, you now drop the hunt for scouting your strongest bees to start those colonies to a little lot. But that's fine. We've got time to put that together. I think the two channels at the moment are bloody exciting. I'm talking to energy gel factories at the moment, because for Hames highest hives that will make the performance honey.

• 38:30Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  That's, you know, just getting the formulation right, so it's squeezable. Anyway, a lot of buzz. I won't bore you with all the details.

• 38:38Speaker 05

  Well, I'll tell you the type of honey I hate, if you need to know. When honey's too solid.

• 38:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, those crystallized ones. Well, I'll be honest with you, and again, this isn't, we're not here to talk about the chemical composition of honey. But all honey wants to return to its crystallized form. The reason it does that is it's hot, cold, hot, like when it goes through different temperature variations. The better, you know, because we don't want to overly treat the honey. We want it to be pourable, but you want it to still retain all its nutrients. So the goal at Hames Hives is to have that honey.

• 39:11Speaker 05

  It's gonna be a crystal one, mate. It's gonna, it's gonna be crystal.

• 39:15Speaker 03

  No, it won't, it won't, but it is hard to get it there. You have to hand stir it.

• 39:18Speaker 05

  People regret buying those. They stay in the cupboard for so long because they, you can't use them well.

• 39:22Speaker 03

  After about a year, after about a year, all honey will return to that state. Unless it's been super heat treated and is just been blasted. But you, for those honeys, I agree, this is my whole thing, I'm dealing with our honey, our honey house over there packing. Go, I don't want that. I want it to be pourable.

• 39:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:37Speaker 03

  I don't like a non-pourable honey.

• 39:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:39Speaker 03

  So we are working on that. It's usually a temperature thing.

• 39:42Speaker 05

  Because then you have to put the little thing in the microwave.

• 39:44Speaker 03

  Don't do it in microwave, but if, we'll have a glass bottle, glass jar, so you can just pot it in warm water. But I don't want to go down that road. I don't want to.

• 39:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is such a two minute.

• 39:53Speaker 03

  It's annoying. Here's the, here's the big development. Obviously, to get the brand name out there, we've got, the newsletter's great and people, that's a good way to stay connected. But our social media team is about to ramp things up at the Hames Hives account. Now, you might remember, there was Hames Hives that someone came in and just grabbed before I thought to get it.

• 40:12Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 40:13Speaker 03

  And then there was Hames underscore Hives.

• 40:15Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 40:16Speaker 03

  I went with the Hames Hives all one word because.

• 40:18Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 40:19Speaker 03

  It's just easier. There's a little bit of a blow up from the underscore guy, quite a funny, I think he's in year 12, really funny guy. And he launched a whole campaign to respect the underscore. And I said, look, appreciate what you're doing.

• 40:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:29Speaker 03

  I don't respect the underscore. I think it's lazy. I think, I think underscore screams second to the party.

• 40:33Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 40:33Speaker 03

  I don't want the underscore. That's his opinion. I have mine. We're still friends.

• 40:38Speaker 05

  Playing the opinions game. Everyone's entitled.

• 40:40Speaker 03

  And so I went with normal Hames Hives, Paul, um, that account.

• 40:45Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  During the week, legend, we managed to connect. You know, it's quite hard to hand over an Instagram account because it's like two factor codes and whatever. We managed to do it. Now that I have the Hames Hives account, obviously, now I'm the admin on that account. You get access to all the old DMs, like all the old activity. He'd never posted, but there'd been quite a lot of DMs.

• 41:09Speaker 03

  One interesting person that popped up in the DMs was Jack Post, who had been communicating with Paul.

• 41:15Speaker 05

  Had you? I feel like he reached out to me first. Is that what it shows?

• 41:20Speaker 03

  Ahoy, Jack. This was on, this was 13th of May.

• 41:23Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 41:23Speaker 03

  It says, it's I, the mongrel, who officially owns Hames Hives. Um, I see there's others, uh, but he doesn't want to have an underscore. I'm having trouble getting in touch with the show. He, he says, no malicious intent here. I'm keeping it warm for Hamish. However, uh, a nice trade would suffice. This was before we had him on air. And remember, we did a honey deal.

• 41:42Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  So he could get it. Jack's responded to that. Couple of laughing emojis. I'll let him know. So all pretty important.

• 41:49Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  So then, once I, that was the last they'd talked. Then, once I see that there's this dialogue, I go, maybe I can pose as Jack doesn't know.

• 42:03Speaker 05

  Well, I'm happy. Okay.

• 42:04Speaker 03

  Okay, well, this is his hand though. So I go, I'll pose as Paul, even though now I've taken over the account. So I, I a couple of days ago, hey, hey, Jack, it's Paul here, still the owner of this account, as Hamish hasn't contacted me yet. I'm sure he's going to follow it up, but I was thinking as a last minute demand for him taking so long. I could say he needs to give you that one percent of the company to finalize the handing over the passwords. Because remember, Jack initially was like, now, he, early days, Jack's like, I'm regretting not investing in Hames Hives. And I said, you can have one percent for $10,000. I value the business at $1 million. Jack, obviously.

• 42:40Speaker 05

  I said, no.

• 42:40Speaker 03

  He squirmed at that. So I've gone as Paul, you know, should I ransom the password so you get a percent? Jack goes, haha, I like it. What was agreed to on air? I already forgot.

• 42:56Speaker 05

  Okay, so he's entertaining, he's entertaining.

• 42:59Speaker 03

  I think you offered to buy in and he said one percent for 10,000. I don't think it's a $1 million company yet. Do you want me to get you that one percent? I'll get him to agree. He's asked twice for the password and he just sent out another newsletter, so I know he needs it.

• 43:11Speaker 05

  Great.

• 43:13Speaker 03

  Then Jack, thinking, thinking, thinking, Jack goes, but didn't you already agree to give him the password on the pod? And so I was like, I'm gonna push him one more time here. I'm gonna push him again. I go, well, I did. This could be your last chance to get the one percent before I hand the password over. Do you want me to hold out and use the leverage to get it for you? It would be an honor to serve you, King Weasel.

• 43:37Speaker 03

  Can I dangle this one percent for Jack?

• 43:39Speaker 05

  Playing to his ego.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  Jack, he thought about it for a full day.

• 43:47Speaker 03

  He writes back, he's pretty active on, on, online. He goes, nah, happy for you to give it if that's what's been agreed. Thanks for thinking of a little guy, though.

• 43:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:59Speaker 03

  I'm very happy with that.

• 44:02Speaker 05

  He passed the slug word test.

• 44:05Speaker 03

  And for that, Jack, I am giving you one percent of Hames Hives for one year.

• 44:12Speaker 05

  What? No.

• 44:13Speaker 03

  And then it will revert back to me.

• 44:15Speaker 05

  Can he choose the year?

• 44:16Speaker 03

  One percent of profits for the, starting now.

• 44:18Speaker 05

  No, because everyone knows it takes a while for a business to become profitable.

• 44:21Speaker 03

  Do you want it or not?

• 44:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, I want it outright.

• 44:26Speaker 05

  I'll have, I'll accept outright.

• 44:28Speaker 03

  Then I, then I retract the offer.

• 44:34Speaker 05

  Give me half a percent outright.

• 44:36Speaker 03

  One, point one percent.

• 44:37Speaker 05

  Deal.

• 44:51Speaker 03

  I'm very much like Andy wants idiots negotiate.

• 44:57Speaker 03

  Andy just going, bad, bad, bad, bad.

• 45:01Speaker 05

  Bad starting point.

• 45:02Speaker 03

  Bad, full bad.

• 45:04Speaker 05

  Terrible outcomes.

• 45:09Speaker 05

  You know, the administration of that alone will cost you more.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  Maybe, maybe point one percent of net would be kind of worth chasing.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Thanks for listening. The Hamish and Andy podcast will return next week. Catch up or contribute at hamishandandy.com.