Episode 406: Ana Marie Schick: Using Magnesium for Sleep Fitness + Why You Should Skip the Gummies

Do you struggle to fall asleep at night, tossing and turning for hours? Many people turn to magnesium supplements, alcohol, or even marijuana gummies to help them drift off. But did you know these supposed solutions could be doing more harm than good? In this Fitness Friday episode, I am joined by Ana Marie Schick to discuss how to reach the deep, restorative stages of sleep your body needs to truly rest and recover. We discuss the surprising truth about magnesium supplements and sleep and why alcohol and marijuana gummies sabotage your sleep quality. We also share simple, effective strategies to wind down and get the restful sleep you need. Ana Marie discovered through three decades of training and coaching athletes, executives, and individuals that sleep was a critical yet overlooked component of recovery and optimal performance. Noticing a significant gap in sleep knowledge and practical solutions, she joined forces with the co-founders of Sleepme Inc. Her expertise in health, fitness, and sleep enabled her to develop innovative approaches to improve sleep quality while serving as a subject matter expert at Sleepme. She contributes to developing effective sleep solutions for individuals seeking to enhance their overall well-being. What we discuss: Magnesium and its role in promoting sleep Different forms of magnesium The negative effects of using alcohol, marijuana gummies, and sleep medications Falling asleep too quickly can be a sign of sleep deprivation The importance of establishing a personalized pre-sleep routine Thank you to our sponsors: Therasage: Head over to therasage.com http://therasage.com/ and use code Be Bold for 15% off TruNiagen: Head over to truniagen.com http://truniagen.com/ and use code HUSTLE20 to get $20 off any purchase over $100. Magic Mind: Head over to www http://www/.magicmind.com http://magicmind.com//jen and use code Jen at checkout. BiOptimizers: Want to try Magnesium Breakthrough? Go to https://bioptimizers.com/jennifercohenand use promo code JC10 at checkout to save 10% off your purchase. Timeline Nutrition: Get 10% off your first order at timeline.com/cohen http://timeline.com/cohen Air Doctor: Go to airdoctorpro.com http://airdoctorpro.com/ and use promo code HUSTLE for up to $300 off and a 3-year warranty on air purifiers. Find more from Jen: Website: https://www.jennifercohen.com/ Instagram: @therealjencohen Books: https://www.jennifercohen.com/books Speaking: https://www.jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagements Find more about Ana Marie Schick: Website: https://sleep.me/experts/ana-marie-schick

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  Hi guys, this is Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits and Hustle. Crush it.

• 0:09Jen Cohen?

  Hey friends, you're listening to Fitness Friday on the Habits and Hustle Podcast, where myself and my friends share quick and very actionable advice for you becoming your healthiest self. So stay tuned and let me know how you leveled up.

• 0:33Jen Cohen?

  What about magnesium? Why is it that magnesium helps us fall asleep?

• 0:37Speaker 02

  So magnesium, again, so many different forms of magnesium.

• 0:41Jen Cohen?

  That's the other question I was gonna have. There's so many different forms of magnesium. How do you know which one actually works for the what? Because it's confusing for me. This is what I do.

• 0:49Speaker 02

  So what magnesium ultimately, in a nutshell, it is for muscle and tissue relaxation, right? So a lot of people have the tension from the day, from the stress, from the workouts, from your day-to-day activities. And so the magnesium helps to release that tension, relieve that and get into and stay into that sleep cycle, those sleep cycles that you want to be in. A lot of people like to take magnesium or Epsom salt baths, right? So again, a different form of magnesium and it's, you can absorb it through your skin as well. And then the bath, the warm bath helps you kind of relax. So whatever, whether you're taking it or whether you're absorbing it cutaneously, whatever you find

• 1:31Speaker 02

  that helps you. And that's what we tell people. We've got to meet you where you're at. What helps you and what doesn't help you? And a lot of this has to do with documenting, just like when you're doing a fitness plan or a nutrition plan, what seems to be working? And what can we tweak? What can we change? So that, that has a lot to do with it. So a lot of people will find that the wrong types of magnesium at the wrong types of day, because excessive amounts of magnesium can also cause you to use the restroom. So is typically, when I supplement with magnesium, which I do, I take mine at night because I know that I feel like it helps me fall asleep. And I don't take a sleep supplement. We're trying to get people off of dependency. Of chemicals in general.

• 2:12Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 2:12Speaker 02

  And this includes alcohol, this includes marijuana.

• 2:16Jen Cohen?

  And these are all, by the way, ways that people are medicating themselves to like Ambien, marijuana, whatever, to fall asleep. So I'm glad that you said that because what I was going to ask you is that a lot of people I know are taking gummies to fall asleep. That's like the new, that's the new Ambien, especially here where I live in LA, right? Like, I don't even think it's only in LA, but like, it's because it's legal, they're like, okay, I'm going to pop a gummy, it will calm me down, it will like de-stress me, and then I'm going to go to sleep. What is the effects of using gummies as a way to fall asleep, marijuana? Is it the same type of effect as alcohol in terms of the sleep quality that people are getting?

• 2:53Speaker 02

  So the sleep quality is terrible. I have not spoken yet to someone who can show me their hypnograph, their sleep quality, having fallen asleep using CBD, THC, marijuana, alcohol. They'll fall asleep fast, but they won't stay asleep and get quality sleep. And especially with alcohol, they won't stay asleep because A, it's a diuretic, they'll have to get up and use the restroom, and B, it elevates their body temperature. So they're not going to get that deep sleep, right? Because it's sugar, so you're burning off that sugar, the alcohol, and so it elevates your body temperature. You may fall asleep, but it's not going to be quality sleep. And then the same thing happens with marijuana.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  What we have found in hypnographs is that it, even though it mellows you out, it's not slow brainwaves that occur, so it's not deep sleep that occurs. So they might get sleep, but it's not quality sleep, it's not restful sleep.

• 3:50Jen Cohen?

  What is it then?

• 3:51Speaker 02

  It's very light stages of sleep.

• 3:53Jen Cohen?

  Hmm, so there's no benefits to it? You're not getting the muscle repair, the hormone, the HG, like human growth hormone, you're not getting the emotional, as you were saying earlier, REM sleep.

• 4:05Speaker 02

  Well, they might get some REM sleep, they'll probably have the vivid dreams, right?

• 4:10Jen Cohen?

  Right, that part.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  They'll get that part, but then, so they're sorting through the memories, but then they're never getting to the point where they're filing them permanently.

• 4:17Jen Cohen?

  Right, and restoring their body.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  Restoring, right. And so that's an issue, that, you know, people are like, oh, but I have to have my gummies to fall asleep. Again, maybe here and there might be your stopgap solution because you can't fall asleep.

• 4:30Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 4:30Speaker 02

  I'm not going to say nobody should ever do it. I'm not going to recommend it either. But sleep quality is just not there. It is just not there with people that that use gummies for sleep.

• 4:40Jen Cohen?

  What's worse?

• 4:41Speaker 02

  I'm sorry, I hate to be the messenger.

• 4:42Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, I don't know. I think I I I like to know this these things. What's it what's worse? Alcohol or THC for sleeping?

• 4:51Speaker 02

  Hmm. I mean, I think they're one in the same when you look at someone's sleep score.

• 4:57Jen Cohen?

  They're the same?

• 4:58Speaker 02

  I would say I would say so. Probably worse is alcohol, mainly because of the effects that it has on the metabolism and on body temperature. But I would say either way, it's just not sustainable for quality sleep over a long period of time. It just isn't.

• 5:13Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, I mean.

• 5:14Speaker 02

  You know, people, a lot of times, excuse the interruption. A lot of times, people say, oh, I had, you know, some procedure and I had the the Michael Jackson drug or I had the, you know, the Probofol. It's also not restful sleep. When a nurse comes in and says, get ready for a nice nap, it's it's a nap, but it's not a nice nap. It's not quality sleep. Again, they've tracked brainwaves of people who are under anesthesia. It's very light sleep. It's sleep, you're closing your eyes, but it is not quality sleep.

• 5:38Jen Cohen?

  Wow. I find this so interesting. Like, you were even saying earlier, what I was blown away by is how people who fall asleep quick is that means they're actually sleep deprived. I didn't realize that. And like for, I want to talk to you more about that because I'm I'm really curious about that. And I'm also curious, and I I've always wondered this, like, a lot of people, this is what I do to fall asleep. I know it's it's considered to be a bad, it's bad for, it's bad sleep hygiene. But I like to watch comedy before I fall asleep. Like, I'm not like, I don't like to watch dramas or thrillers, but comedy because it puts me in a happy mood, makes me smile, and I can doze off, like, and my brain is not having to, like, think of something that's like, that's antagonizing to me, right?

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:23Jen Cohen?

  And then I fall asleep. I like to watch Frasier or stand up comedy. How is that not good if it actually gets me to sleep?

• 6:31Speaker 02

  That's a really good question. And I'll answer it by, I'll start answering it by saying, I could already tell what that does for you because of your smiling and your body language and telling me about it. It's mindset, right? So again, the signals that we're giving our brain, like, this is a good thing for me. Relax, I'm smiling, I'm happy, I'm not bogged down by the stresses of the day and the stresses of tomorrow.

• 6:54Jen Cohen?

  I'm able to check out.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  Exactly. And it's not like the news and it's not like things that are, you know, that are depressing you or adding more stress and anxiety to your day. If that is what makes you feel relaxed and if that is what helps you get there, then that's what you need to do. Should we do it while we're lying in bed? I would suggest against that because again, we're giving the brain the signal of, oh, okay, well, we can do this in bed instead of sleep in bed. So I would recommend against, I just recommend against having a TV in the bedroom, period.

• 7:26Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  But if that is what it takes, you know, a lot of times if you think about, what does it take to get me? I call it down, we call it down regulating. What does it take to send the brain the signals? Because I'm not in a cave anymore and I don't have the sun setting in my living room. What does it take for my brain to say, okay, let's go.

• 7:43Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 7:44Speaker 02

  It's now time because it's habits. Again, it's habits. It's what we're telling our bodies, what we're telling our brains. That's what we're gonna, that's what we're gonna put out is the result of the signals. Right? So if you think about the routine that we create for babies, right? Is it a lullaby? Is it a book? Is it a warm bath? Is it whatever it is? Some people like sleep music. Some people like a noisemaker. Some people like comedy before bed. Whatever it is that works for you, that's what you need to do. And if you're qualifying your sleep, whether it's with a sleep tracker or not, if you find the next morning that going to bed and beforehand, you watched some comedy, if that works for you, that's what you need to do.