Episode 580: Plastic Surgery, Comparison, and the Hidden Cost of Chasing Perfection

What if changing your face has nothing to do with how you feel about yourself? Plastic surgery has become more normalized, more accessible, and more visible than ever. We watch people document facelifts, nose jobs, injectables, and cosmetic procedures in real time, which can make major medical decisions feel as casual as booking a facial. But the polished before-and-after photo rarely shows the full story. Social media, filters, Zoom, and constantly seeing ourselves in photos and on video have changed the way we evaluate our appearance. We notice every angle, compare our real faces to edited ones, and start believing that changing one feature will finally make us feel more confident. But a procedure can alter your appearance without changing the way you see yourself. If the insecurity underneath it is never addressed, you may simply find something new to criticize. The real question is not always "What should I change?" Sometimes it is "Why do I believe changing this will make me feel better?" Cosmetic procedures are personal decisions, but they should never be treated casually. Understanding the risks, researching the doctor, asking specific questions about recovery, and being honest about your expectations matter far more than following a trend or choosing the surgeon with the biggest social media following. In this episode of Habits and Hustle, I share how social media and filters are changing the way we see ourselves, why plastic surgery may not fix the insecurity underneath it, what people rarely tell you about complications and recovery, and why online popularity does not necessarily make someone the best surgeon for the job. What's Discussed: (02:15) Why plastic surgery has become more normalized, accessible, and visible than ever. (03:55) How a nose job led to breathing problems, complications, and multiple corrective procedures. (05:41) Why the polished before-and-after rarely shows the full risks of cosmetic surgery. (07:03) Why researching a surgeon's aesthetic style and medical expertise matters. (08:42) Why cosmetic procedures are far more invasive than social media makes them appear. (10:36) How confidence and the way you carry yourself can shape how attractive you feel. (12:00) Why constantly seeing ourselves on cameras, Zoom, and social media may damage self-image. (13:11) How filters and edited photos are changing what people ask surgeons to create. (14:05) Why natural-looking plastic surgery has become the newest status symbol. (17:28) Why a surgeon's social media popularity does not necessarily reflect their skill. (20:29) Why fixing one insecurity may only give you something else to criticize. Thank You to Our Sponsors! Magic Mind: Head over to magicmind.com/jen http://www.magicmind.com/jen and use code JEN at checkout. Momentous: Ready to try supplements that actually do what they claim? Head to livemomentous.com http://livemomentous.com and use code JEN for 35% off your first subscription. Therasage: Visit therasage.com http://therasage.com and use code JEN to get 15% off your order. Your skin Prolon: Prolon is offering listeners 30% off sitewide plus a $40 bonus gift when you subscribe to their 5-Day Program! Just visit prolonlife.com/JENNIFERCOHEN https://prolonlife.com/JENNIFERCOHEN and use code JENNIFERCOHEN to claim your discount and your bonus gift. Kion: Visit getkion.com/habits http://getkion.com/habits for 20% off. Tru Niagen®: For supplements that are rigorously tested, third-party verified, and actually deliver what's on the label, head to truniagen.com http://truniagen.com Find more from Jen Cohen: Website: jennifercohen.com https://jennifercohen.com Instagram: @therealjencohen http://instagram.com/therealjencohen Books: jennifercohen.com/books https://jennifercohen.com/books Speaking: jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagements https://jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagements

• 0:01Speaker 00

  Hi guys, it's Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits and Hustle. Crush it.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  Welcome to Habits and Hustle, where I sit down with the biggest thinkers, entrepreneurs, athletes, and experts to uncover the habits, strategies, and mindset shifts that actually move the needle on your health, happiness, and success. And today, on this solo episode, we are talking about plastic surgery. It has become more normalized, more accessible, and more visible than ever. We watch people document facelifts, nose jobs, injectables, and cosmetic procedures in real time, which can make major medical decisions feel as casual as booking a facial. But behind the polish before and after photos, there can be real complications, long recoveries, and the uncomfortable reality that fixing one insecurity may only

• 0:49Speaker 01

  give you another one to focus on. So in this episode, I share how social media, filters, Zoom, and the fact that we are constantly seeing our own faces in photos and on video is changing the way we view ourselves, and why cosmetic procedures may not fix the insecurity underneath them. What people should understand about the risks and recovery, and why a surgeon's popularity online does not necessarily make them the best person for the job. Before diving in, if you're listening right now, and you've gotten somewhere or something out of this show, do me a big favor, please hit subscribe if you haven't already, and leave a review

• 1:29Speaker 01

  of your own. I really appreciate those. I read every single one of them, and it really makes a difference on getting the show to more people. So with that being said, let's dive in.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  Welcome, welcome, welcome back to another episode of Habits and Hustle Solo Edition, where I am joined by my friend and foil, Shawnee.

• 1:57Speaker 02

  Friends and colleagues, Shawnee Suisse.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  Shawnee Suisse, yes, yes, yes. But before we go into this episode, I will love to remind people, if you have not yet subscribed to this podcast, please do so. It makes a massive difference in the algorithm and all these things that are on the backend that I had no idea about. So for the last seven years, I've been remiss in telling people. So if you have not yet, please, please hit the button, and also share it with your friends, because that makes a massive difference. So, thank you very much.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  And if you're listening to this, there's all the video episodes up on YouTube, which you can subscribe to Jen's channel on there as well.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  Thank you, Shawnee.

• 2:36Speaker 02

  You're welcome.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  On these solos, typically what we do is, if you have not, if you're just joining us, or haven't listened to any episodes, what we do in these solos is we kind of just explore hot takes. Like, it's very much like a conversation. And today, I want to talk, and also I should say, conversations that are kind of in these IG, guys, that are kind of trending, that are kind of like happening in real time, a lot. And the one thing that I really want to talk to you about, Shawnee, because we talked about it, we kind of touched upon it in another solo, but we didn't really get into it. And I'm sure a lot of you guys who are on social media, and just kind of like in the world, in the world.

• 3:16Speaker 02

  Just living out there.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  Right, living out there. A really big thing that I'm noticing a huge uptick in is plastic surgery. I mean, I remember, like, when I was a kid, if anyone got anything done, it was a humongous secret. Nobody talked about it. It was definitely not like video, it was definitely not like talked about and videotaped and shown in real time when someone's getting their facelifted.

• 3:41Speaker 02

  Right. Come with me, I got a facelift.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, or like, I'm talking to nine doctors, look at this. Like, I've never seen such a craziness in something, like, this is one of these things that I think is trending and upticking. And I know why. I think it's because everyone is comparing themselves to other people. It's because of the, we're in the world of video and Zoom, and I know myself, because now I'm on social, obviously. I do this podcast. I see myself constantly. So you see every imperfection, everything. And it's, I understand that. It's so consuming, and it's really easy to go down that rabbit hole. But I also, and, I shouldn't say but,

• 4:23Speaker 01

  and, I also believe, like, whatever happened to being happy with what God gave you, and kind of just enhance, like, you know, kind of being natural, right? And I understand it, because I'm like now in this age, right? Like, I'm middle-aged, and I'm like, oh shit, like, look at my, look at my face. And my face is falling, and I never liked my nose, and I didn't do this. But like, I'm just fearful, to be honest.

• 4:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  But you said something that was-

• 4:48Speaker 02

  As you should be.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  As I should be, because you said something that was really important. And I want you to say that again, because you said that kind of like in a, in a passing moment, which I think people can, people can possibly, people should hear that. Please say it again.

• 5:01Speaker 02

  Well, I, you know, I said that, you know, I got my nose done, I got a nose job, and I, you know-

• 5:06Speaker 01

  How long ago? Like, recently?

• 5:08Speaker 02

  A couple of years ago. And I, you know, I didn't do much to it. It's not like we took down like a crazy amount, but I, I don't feel like it changed my face, like astronomically, to the point where the cost that it has cost me were worth it, because I had a lot of complications. You know, I had a massive septum perforation left in my, in my septum, which is just a huge hole in my septum from the first surgery, and I had to get that fixed. I also had my turbinate reduced as well, because I had a rhinoplasty, septoplasty, and a turbinate reduction.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  People don't know what those are. Basically, what happened was-

• 5:39Speaker 02

  Rhinoplasty is the outside. Septoplasty is fixing the septum, so it's deviated, they fix that. But when they fix the deviated septum, they don't actually make it straight, they just cut out the crooked part, and put the, the tissue on top of it and hope it heals. Mine did not. It healed with a, with a perforation. And then I had a turbinate reduction, which is, there's these little flaps inside of your nose that are called turbinate, and they help create what's called turbinate airflow, which warms up your air, humidifies it before it goes to your throat. And one of the reasons why I originally even got the surgery was because my breathing was so bad, and I was having to mouth breathe so much. And so I always had like strep throat, and tonsillitis, and just so many annoying throat conditions. And the surgery left me with, honestly, more complications than I had originally. My breathing

• 6:21Speaker 02

  has been more labored. It's a lot harder for me to breathe. I, now, because my nose is smaller, I have smaller canals, which is already also an issue. And I don't think I should have gotten my turbinate reduced at all, which is something nobody should ever actually do, and I really encourage people to never do it.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  My sister, by the way, got a nose job when she was like 16, like, really young. And she's never breathed properly since.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  So what I, this is-

• 6:43Speaker 02

  And I have a lot of friends who also are in that same situation.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  This is the part that I really wanted to focus on, is the fact that we all see and hear about all the wonderful things, like, oh yeah, like, people are like, go queen, if it makes you feel better, yeah, go for it. But no one ever talks about, like, the other potentials, like, the complications that can happen. Or like, how much does it really make a difference, right? Like, like, does it, does it really, like, you just said earlier, like, you know what? Yeah, like, does it make you that much more beautiful because you got the nose?

• 7:11Speaker 02

  It did not turn me into a straight Victoria's Secret model. Like, that was not the, but I also didn't get like a dramatic one, you know what I mean? Like, I think maybe there are different-

• 7:19Speaker 01

  You did, actually, by the way. Your nose is very different right now.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  But not compared to what the, like, I had consults with people who wanted to, like, chop it off. Like, they wanted to go, like, little button nose, like-

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Have you looked in the mirror?

• 7:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, but have you seen other nose jobs?

• 7:33Speaker 01

  Your nose is completely different.

• 7:33Speaker 02

  Have you, but have you seen, but Jen, it's still quite a nose. Have you seen people from Turkey who come in? It's still downturned. I'm not like, I love you, but you're also not looking at my face like I'm looking at my face. I've been to doctors, like, this is the whole thing. There are people who wanted to literally go and do a this.

• 7:49Speaker 01

  Oh, you mean do a slope?

• 7:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, or like a button nose, or this. So many people get, like, there are, different doctors will do different things, and that's really important for people to know. Because a lot of doctors have different aesthetics, and you have to understand the doctor that you're going to. And, you know, I did do a significant amount of research, not enough, not enough. You need to do way more. And you need to make sure that the person you're going to has both the aesthetic understanding of what it is you're looking for, and also the internal, like, functions of your organs, to make sure that you're not messing things up in the long run.

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• 10:11Speaker 01

  You said a couple of things. You said like, well, maybe now my nose is too small for my face. Cause that's why you can't breathe.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  My anatomy. Like I think, I think I needed a bigger bridge. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, for my face, visually, I like it.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, visually.

• 10:23Speaker 02

  Happy with that, but I don't know that it's worth the like, health things it's caused me.

• 10:29Speaker 01

  Well, that, listen, at the end of the day, this is what I would, I want to talk about, like, like where, at what point? Cause you're just, you're just one person who, who had that experience.

• 10:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  I'm just more curious, like where, again, where is this line drawn? Like, does it really? I like, maybe, I don't know. This is just me like talking and riffing with you. Like, how much does it really make a difference? You know what I mean? Like, that's what I'm curious. Cause like, I don't like my nose either. Maybe I should get, I'm too scared of a needle, not a needle. I am scared of needles too, but of going out, like, the thing is like, this is a thing. If I didn't have to be out for the count afterwards for six weeks, cause I need to exercise for my mental health. Like, that's the thing. Maybe I would have gotten my nose done. I just didn't want to like have that downtime.

• 11:14Speaker 02

  I'm still swollen years later. I went to a dermatologist just last week for my laser facial, which is why I'm healing. And it's literally, he was like, you're still very swollen.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  Really?

• 11:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  How long has it been?

• 11:25Speaker 02

  Two years. It was two years.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  And you're still swollen?

• 11:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that, it takes like, like, I mean, obviously not the same that I was swollen, you know, from the first year of surgery, but it takes time. Like, these things are, you're, you're going in and really like messing with your body. And people don't understand the severity of that necessarily.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  That's the thing, right? Everyone's so flippant. They're like, yeah, just go get your nose done. It's no big deal. Like, you'll be fine. Like, just go, or just go get your boobs done, or just go get your face done.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  Not casual.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  Like, people are like, making it sound like a facelift is like literally going to Starbucks for a latte.

• 11:55Speaker 02

  Right. It's like not casual.

• 11:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm like, um, that seems not so casual. Seems like very, very invasive and scary.

• 12:03Speaker 02

  Even this laser facial, which like, they were like, zero downtime, zero downtime, zero downtime. Then I get the instructions for aftercare and it's like, stay out of the sun for two weeks, do this, do that. Like, that's not zero downtime.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  What kind of facial?

• 12:13Speaker 02

  Zero downtime is I can go and do every single thing that I was just doing before and look exactly the same. But downtime is different for people. Like, everybody, everybody talks about it in different ways. And I think you have to get really specific about what it's gonna look like for you. But I just would really caution people. I don't think people shouldn't do it. You know, I think that my situation could have been prevented by a number of different ways. I just think you really want to do a lot of research on your doctor. Don't go to the cheapest person. Don't go to someone who's gonna save you money. Never consider cost. And if cost is a heavy factor for you, then don't do it. Wait till you can actually afford to go to someone who's not gonna mess you up. I mean, genuinely, it's one of those things, don't cheap out on. You know, a lot of people try and like, they'll go here, look, just don't. Just go to someone good.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  But the problem is though, Shawnee, because now it's become so popular, like, that, that the prices have also skyrocketed. So something that maybe would have cost eight thousand, now costs twenty thousand. So that's why you said earlier, people are like flying to Turkey, like by the droves. That there's all these funny like pictures I'm seeing of like the planes full of people with their.

• 13:14Speaker 02

  With a hair transplant?

• 13:15Speaker 01

  With the, with like the bandages all over their faces and heads because of all the different things happening. So, I mean, or they're going to Tijuana or Mex, wherever, in Mexico to get these things done. But like, I guess my point is a little bit different than what you're saying. And that is that like, you know, I think beauty comes from, like, if you, from within. If you are someone who is confident and carries yourself a certain way and is like happy with who you are and what you look like, that's really hot. I do think so.

• 13:44Speaker 02

  I don't know. Yes and no. I think that, I think, I think it depends on the scenario. There's some people who I've seen and I'm like, yeah, you really needed that. Like.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Listen.

• 13:53Speaker 02

  I'm like, that really helped you. Like, that's like night and day game changer. Like, that's crazy.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  The caveat to what I'm saying is, I am not begrudging anyone. I, like I said, I'm, I'm putting myself out there saying, if I wasn't such a scaredy cat, I probably would have done something by now. But I'm just a scaredy cat. And so I chose to focus on how to do the best I can with what I was given.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  Which is honestly great. And I think that we need more examples of that because it's kind of like just become non-existent.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  But it's hard. We're living in a time when like, you keep on, we get constantly reminded of like, oh. And like, it's, it plays psychological tricks on us. Like, we think, oh, you mean, you could just get a facelift and you'll be good to go, like in a few days? No, you will not be good to go. We should be, people should be a little bit more upfront and, and honest about what the possible complications. And like, what the downtime is. And like, in, in like real life, who has all this ability to have downtime and not do anything for weeks on end?

• 14:54Speaker 02

  I mean, humans were not built to see themselves. We were not created to see our reflections. We were not created to see our own outer casings. We just were not, you know? And cameras and mirrors and all of these things are modern inventions that have honestly really degraded our own personal self-love. And I think that like, a lot of people, you know, had we been born in the eighteen hundreds, would be considered quite beautiful human beings.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  I think I'm also probably just stating things too Pollyannically. Like, oh yeah, why don't we just love the way we look? I'm not trying to sound that way. If I do, I apologize.

• 15:24Speaker 02

  I get what you're saying because.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  I don't mean it that way. I really don't.

• 15:27Speaker 02

  But I think we would be like that and able to do what you're saying more if we just didn't have like these, you know, cameras and these angles. It's like, we were not meant to know what we look like from the back of our head.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  No, I think, this is what I think. I think pre, uh, pre-COVID, when you didn't have, we weren't forced to stare at each other on Zoom. And we didn't have social media to the extent we have it and all these things. Like, there was a reason why it wasn't like, it wasn't like everyone and their dog running to get surgery. Like, people that you would never expect. People who are dropped dead even beautiful.

• 15:57Speaker 02

  I can't believe I even did it. I was such a, like, I was so against it for so long. I was scared. And I also just thought it was crazy. You, you know what someone said to me also was kind of around COVID time too, but like Snapchat filters, which was maybe before.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:09Speaker 02

  Snapchat filters and then FaceApp and all the face filters. Like, a lot of doctors say that people come in with like filtered examples or AI or whatever now. And they're like, I want this, you know, done to me. So, you know, that's definitely, I think, taken a toll. But it's also become way more accessible now for people.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  Well, way more accessible.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  Way more accessible. Everybody and their mother, like, I mean, it's just not even funny how accessible it is.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  How many people do you know?

• 16:32Speaker 02

  There's a med spa on every corner in this city.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  Oh, that, that was what I was gonna say. I don't, but by the way, that could just be in LA, New York, Miami.

• 16:39Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  These med spas are popping up like, like Starbucks.

• 16:42Speaker 02

  But it's so, but med spa is also in other like cities all over the world, but like, but med, but I just do think that there, it's become so much more common. And it's so much easier to get to. Actually, hilarious headline that came out recently, which was that celebrities, now that, um, plastic surgery is becoming so much more accessible. And the low-class, poor people of the world are getting plastic surgery, celebrities are going back to their natural selves more.

• 17:06Speaker 01

  Yes, I know. Did you see that?

• 17:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw that. And that is a whole other discussion, which is like, okay, so now the upper echelon is going au naturel.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  Did you hear that?

• 17:13Speaker 02

  But they just convinced us into doing all of this plastic surgery.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  I love that, that, okay, so I was gonna bring that up. That was part of my notes in the, in this segment. I want to repeat that, cause that's very interesting. That now because in, there's a, there's a big headline about this.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  That the, because now everybody and their dog is getting so much surgery, the celebrities now feel like they are kind of like, kind of like part of the whole, you know, basically the.

• 17:38Speaker 02

  The common folk.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  The common folk. So now they're going au naturel. They're like not getting surgery. They're not wearing makeup.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  They are getting surgery. They are wearing makeup, but they're doing it way more natural. And that's the thing is that now, but, but those cost a lot of money. So like, to get the supernatural nose job or the supernatural eyelift, it's not, it's gonna cost you ten X the cost, right?

• 18:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it'll cost you hundreds of thousands.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  So now it's becoming out of reach. So now shittier plastic surgery, that's a bit more generic, a bit more this is so accessible. But the fine-tuned, fine-touch, perfect whatever, that's far more expensive. Same thing with like filler and botox. Like, you could just go to any med spa and get shut up like crazy. You'll look a little insane. Or you could spend, you know, two X the cost per unit and go to somebody who's gonna make you look exactly like your teenage self.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  Ten X, I'm sure.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  No, for med spa stuff, it's like two X. But like, as in to say, like a really good person, now instead of it being so obvious, they're trying to make you all natural. It's like a whole, it's, it's, it's honestly funny how they flipped the script, but they always do that, right? What becomes accessible to the poor must then become inaccessible to the rich versus vice versa. Like, you must always maintain that, that, that separation, that class.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  Thing. It's gonna, but, but also like facelifts are insane. The cost of a facelift, I don't know that people understand.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  There are fa- these facelifts are like two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  No more, but can I tell you something?

• 19:00Speaker 02

  It's fucking crazy.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  For the fancy people. I have my, my hair.

• 19:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, Jen.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Hair colorist, okay, my hair colorist. Okay, she's sixty eight years old. I'm gonna shout out to her and she, she wouldn't care if I said this. She's sixty eight, she literally looks forty.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  I'd love that.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm sure she wouldn't mind if you said that.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  No, no, no, she got, she got a lower facelift by a really good doc, but she always looked really, but this is my point.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  But she also probably looked so good before.

• 19:27Speaker 01

  Her and I talked about this actually yesterday.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:29Speaker 01

  When I got my hair done. She said to me, and it's so true, it's like if you are pretty before, you're gonna be pretty after. If you're ugly before, you're gonna be uglier with a tighter face after.

• 19:39Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  It's not gonna change, like what you said earlier about your nose.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  Giselle.

• 19:43Speaker 01

  It's not gonna make you gorgeous because you're changing what, like, if you're, if you are something before, you're gonna still be that just enhanced.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:50Speaker 01

  You know, I, I believe, so my point is she was really pretty before, she looked really young before. So with this, but she went to a guy who is like super under the radar, nobody knows him, he's not on social media. And he was twenty four thousand dollars for her lower facelift and it is incredible.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  Oh, well, that's a steal.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  Okay, because, but also he just does the work and, and doesn't need the whole, you know, hoopla around him. And he's so busy, he doesn't need to be on social.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  I mean, I-

• 20:16Speaker 01

  This is what I think. Let me finish this.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  Which is important.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  I think the second some, a, a plastic surgeon puts himself on social, right away psychologically, I think he's not as good as somebody who's not on there.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  A hundred percent if they're spending more time creating content than creating whatever it is, their surgeries that they're doing. Uh, absolutely. And it's a big red flag to me when I see that.

• 20:36Speaker 01

  Massive red flag. So if, this is my, this is my, my big hot take or takeaway. Maybe try to find a doctor who's not trying to be famous on social media, be a social media plastic surgeon. And find one that's just super good and their, their head is down doing the actual work offline. And you're gonna save yourself also ninety, ninety percent of the, the money. Because the doctors I see who are on social, they are charging ten, twenty times. We're talking like the three hundred thousand dollar facial, the five hundred thousand facial. And they say it's because they're doing this special thing like deep plane, this, da, da, da. Meanwhile, you go talk to the doctor that my hairdresser went to and he's like, we all do deep plane or we all do this, we all do that.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  We're just not like, I'm just not blabbing about it on social media and charging you five hundred thousand. But that guy that Kim, you know, obviously, not Kim, Kris Jenner went to, Dr. Klein, I think is his name, I'm not sure.

• 21:32Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 21:33Speaker 01

  I don't know if he was a social media guy or not, I'm not sure, but-

• 21:35Speaker 02

  No, he just be, she just-

• 21:38Speaker 01

  She blew him up.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  She, cause other people were taking credit for his work, so she dropped his name. She was like, no way.

• 21:42Speaker 01

  Oh, cause I don't think he was a so, cause he was just really good.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  Obviously, that is going to send you into a stratosphere, you know?

• 21:49Speaker 01

  True.

• 21:50Speaker 02

  Without him even trying.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  He was, he was the only, I think he was the anomaly where he was like extremely expensive, but not necessarily a social media doctor.

• 21:59Speaker 02

  There is really high quality doctors that are a fortune who are not very active on social. It's not necessarily-

• 22:05Speaker 01

  No, no, I agree. That's what I meant to say.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's not necessarily indicative of that, like, yeah, yeah, it's not always correlated, but-

• 22:10Speaker 01

  It does make it, I'm saying ninety percent of the time, that, that is the situation. But of course, there are some that are in Manhattan who have such a high-

• 22:19Speaker 02

  Even here in LA.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Or Beverly Hills, who have such a high caliber, their patients are so rich that they can charge whatever the hell they want.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  Or they're very big experts in their field. The guy who did my septum perforation, who I love, Jason Hamilton, I think he's, if anyone's looking for a nose person, he is literally the guy to go to. Like, he's such an expert in his class for septums. No, you don't understand, there are very few doctors out there who will actually fix a septum perforation.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Okay, I said, I said, I don't know, cause I don't know who he is. I don't say yes or no.

• 22:46Speaker 02

  As in, there's some doctors, but like if they're very published in their fields or if they're very, you know, if they're, like, there are doctors who within their space are incredibly famous in that field. But they're not necessarily famous to the general public.

• 22:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  Versus like the ones who are like the celebies, influencer, whatever. But I also think that there's like, there's some caveats there. You wanna kind of feel out what kind of influencer-y doctor the person is. Cause sometimes they just have a killer team and it's not really them doing much. Or sometimes they care so much about it and they're all caught up and they're all, you know, and that's not necessarily someone you want.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I totally agree with that.

• 23:17Speaker 02

  But, um, but listen, don't cheap out, it's really important. Love yourself also. And if you have insecurities before, genuinely, like you will have them after.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  That was my point, that's a good point too.

• 23:26Speaker 02

  You will have them after.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  They don't, you don't just-

• 23:27Speaker 02

  Or you'll find other ones, by the way. Like you might, you know, like I like my nose, now I have other shit I don't like, you know what I'm saying? And also I still sometimes nip pick up my nose, right?

• 23:36Speaker 01

  So true.

• 23:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  Okay, that's another great point.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  Onto the next, what else do I gotta fix? Like, it's just, you know?

• 23:40Speaker 01

  I love that, it's so true. It's like when you actually have, now you have that taken care of. You're gonna fix it on something else that's a problem.

• 23:47Speaker 02

  You lose weight, you get in shape, you look great, and all of a sudden you have another like thing that you don't like about yourself, right? Now it's like a little bit of loose skin under the arms like you never noticed before, like-

• 23:55Speaker 01

  That is human nature, just so much, Jen. Yeah, a hundred percent. Okay, you guys, I gotta wrap this, but Shawnee, you're the best. Thank you for coming again and, um, don't forget to subscribe.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  I love the new studio. I'll come back when my face is healed. Bye.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  Bye.