Pod Insights Growth Think Tank 5 Ways You Can Use AI to Improve Your Leadership with Ethan King from Zeus' Closet About this episode In this episode, I sit down with Ethan King, co-founder and CEO of Zeus' Closet, to explore five innovative ways you can leverage AI to Improve Your Leadership. Ethan shares his journey from a starving artist to a celebrated CEO, embodying the spirit of small business innovation and resilience. citeturn0search1 We discuss how integrating AI to Improve Your Leadership can enhance decision-making, streamline operations, and foster a more dynamic team environment. Ethan provides practical insights and real-world examples of how embracing AI to Improve Your Leadership has transformed his approach to business. Tune in to discover actionable strategies that can elevate your leadership effectiveness through AI.
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0:32 Speaker 01 When the AI tools came out, of course, AI is just another form of automation. This happens to be a really, really advanced form of automation that's going to accelerate things beyond our level of comprehension. But layering that on top of the process that we already had in place, really not only saved our business, but allowed us to double the size that we were without adding any additional staff. So in that process, I started teaching other entrepreneurs how to do the same thing. And last year, I published the book ChatGPT to Double Your Business in 90 Days, which has done really well in the marketplace. We've sold thousands of copies, have been on a speaking tour all over the world. And my calendar is completely full where I'm doing keynotes and trainings and consultations.
1:17 Speaker 01 And my goal is to help businesses do the same thing, to help them multiply with their current workforce. So it's not like we're employing AI to replace the people you have, but to amplify the people you have.
1:31 Speaker 02 Welcome to Growth Think Tank. This is the one and only place where you will get insight from the founders and the CEOs of the fastest growing privately held companies. I am the host. My name is Gene Hemmott. I help leaders and their teams navigate the defining moments of their growth. Are you ready to grow?
1:48 Speaker 00 Today, we talk about AI, specifically AI-powered leadership. Wouldn't you like to be a better leader and to leverage the new innovations with technology like AI? Well, today is your episode. Our special guest is Ethan King. He is the co-founder of Zeus's Closet. He's been on the show before where he talked about employees, where we should treat them like they're volunteers.
2:10 Speaker 02 It's a really good episode. It's the number 1030. I don't think we we ranked them by numbers anymore because they don't allow us to do it. But he's been on the show before and I'm happy to have him back because we in this episode, we're going to dive into AI powered leadership. There's five different areas. There's a mnemonic behind it. I won't spoil it by telling it to you now, but I will tell you that there's some real good nuggets for you to use. And maybe you're doing one of them, maybe you might even be doing two, but you're probably not doing all five of these. And so if you'll lean into this, take good notes, you'll get a tremendous amount out of this interview with Ethan King. AI powered leadership is here to stay. And so this will help you get, you know, a jump on your peers.
2:50 Speaker 02 My name is Gene Hemmert. I'm a CEO coach. We do leadership development and we also help managers become the leaders that you need them to be. Now, if you are a growing company, if you are facing a big opportunity in front of you and you want to make sure everyone's aligned together. Your best thing to do is to is to have a conversation with me about everything that's going on. I've got some assessment tools I use and all of this is absolutely for free. If you want to really ensure that you're prepared for the next phase, that you are the leader, that everyone's ready to follow, that you have clarity and that you are ready to take action. You want to make sure that we sign up and have a call together. Just send me an email, [email protected] . You've probably listened to a few episodes before and you probably have not sent me the email.
3:33 Speaker 02 A few people have and it's been phenomenal for me to give and pour into people and give insight. And I will promise not to sell you. If you come on this call, you will get tremendous value. And if you want to work with me, it'll be in another separate call down the road, maybe three months from now, it might be three years from now. Whatever it is, I'm here to help you. So if you're listening to this and you feel like you'd love some clarity, just send me an email, [email protected] . Now here's the interview with Ethan. Ethan, how are you?
4:01 Speaker 01 Hey, Gene. Good to be back here again. Thanks for having me.
4:03 Speaker 02 I know. This is your second time back on the podcast and excited to have you.
4:07 Speaker 01 Great to be here.
4:09 Speaker 02 You've been traveling around, sharing about AI and from a different, you know, perspectives, marketing, and I think you've come on the show before. You've got a book out, but recently you've been talking to a lot of leadership teams about AI powered leadership.
4:22 Speaker 01 Yes.
4:22 Speaker 02 Give us a little bit of background on you, just our audience, if they didn't catch the first episode.
4:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think the last time I was on here, we were talking about my previous book Wealth Beyond Money. And I speak a lot about how you can have it all on your terms everywhere in life. And your dream life is really closer than you think. And I believe that the secret is eliminating friction through automation. So in my own business, um, in, in, by the way, I have a embroidery company called Zeus's Closet. We're like a tattoo shop for your clothes. So my wife and I started that company with $700 from scratch. We've grown it to a multimillion dollar brand and we've been running it for the past 22 years. It's a great business and but along the way, as you know, as entrepreneurs, we hit those tough parts in the road. And around 2011, we were going through a really tough time in our business.
5:13 Speaker 01 So much in fact, that we thought we were going to lose it all. We were fighting this nasty legal battle with a previous vendor of ours and our backs were against the wall. And I had to learn how to do more with less, which is, as I'm sure a lot of your listeners can identify with. We have to do that in business, especially when we're going through, through tough seasons where we have to scale back on our resources, but we can't scale back on our business. If we have a growth mindset, we want to keep moving forward. So I learned how to do marketing automation. Now, mind you, Gene, I'm not a tech guy by background. I was an art major in college. Like I, I literally wanted to be an artist, like drawing and painting. That's what I wanted to do as my career. So here I am, back against the wall. I go to a three day workshop.
5:56 Speaker 01 I learned how to do marketing automation through, in doing like sequencing my emails and drip campaigns so that they flow out. Then I learned how to automate our social media. And this was over a decade ago, so I'm not new to this. But when the AI tools came out, of course, AI is just another form of automation. This happens to be a really, really advanced form of automation that's going to accelerate things beyond our, our level of comprehension. But layering that on top of the process that we already had in place, really not only saved our business, but allowed us to double the size that we were without adding any additional staff. So in that process, I started teaching other entrepreneurs how to
6:36 Speaker 01 Do the same thing. And last year, I published the book Chat GPT to double your business in ninety days, which has done really well in the marketplace. We've sold thousands of copies, have been on a speaking tour all over the world and my my calendar is is completely full where I'm doing keynotes and trainings and consultations. And my goal is to help businesses do the same thing, to to help them multiply with their current workforce. So it's not like we're employing AI to replace the people you have, but to amplify the people you have. Imagine if you could double, triple, or even ten X the output of every person on your team. Imagine the rate at which you could grow. So that's what we're doing now.
7:20 Speaker 01 And I usually speak to entrepreneur groups, EO, YPO, that type of thing. I'm usually speaking directly to the business owners and a key staff member, usually someone from the marketing department or a COO or something like that. And I've recently been hired by larger companies to come and teach their leadership teams how to lead with AI, how to have an innovation-first mindset so that they can pass that down throughout the entire company from top to bottom. And that's what brings us here today as we're talking about AI-powered leadership.
7:53 Speaker 02 That's a perfect background because it it shows your experience with your own businesses and how you applied it. And then the evolution from, you know, just normal automation to now AI-powered automation. And I saw your speech. It was fantastic, extremely action-driven. And I'm I'm I try to keep my finger on the pulse, but your your leaps are beyond me. So let's dive into the AI-powered leadership. Where do you think we should start?
8:18 Speaker 01 With leadership, we have to start with vision. And we know that in our company because if you're not, if people don't see you going somewhere, they don't know where you're going. How can they follow you? So you not only need to set a vision, but you need to repeat that vision over and over and over again. When you when you get sick of hearing it, when your team gets sick of hearing it, you're sick of saying it. That's when you know it's really starting to settle in, right? Someone someone said that. I can't remember the exact quote, but that's how you know it's really starting to sink. Thinking, well, people are just tired of hearing the vision over and over again. But we need to do that because it needs to be ingrained in the into the fabric of the company from top to bottom. So how do we do that? How do we leverage AI to do that?
9:00 Speaker 01 Well, first of all, I mean, very basically, fire up ChatGPT. And the first thing you need to do is program your ChatGPT or your Claude, whatever your LLM of choice is. On you need to train it how to speak in your own brand voice. Because we don't want to use AI right out of the box, unedited. Because the reason why is because everyone can tell when you do that. You've probably been on LinkedIn before and you've read someone's post and you're like, oh, I can tell they use ChatGPT for this, right? Where everything just sounds perfect and it has all title case and it's like unlock the this and the explore and delve and blah, blah, blah. And it has all these emojis. And how do you feel when you when you read a post like that? What do you do, Gene?
9:40 Speaker 02 You know, the emoji thing is what clues it all for me. So I have whenever I do it, I feel like take out the emojis.
9:48 Speaker 02 But, you know, I know that people are using it to try to get their message out there, but it gets to be dribble. And it gets to be too easy to do too much for people, I think. And so I just think that that it still needs to have that personal touch, which you're talking about is is really going in and doing the work to to build your brand voice. With the the custom GPTs.
10:08 Speaker 01 That's that's exactly right. You need to, at a minimum, go into your ChatGPT custom instructions under your profile. And you'll see some boxes there. Most people, their boxes are empty. They need to be full of a description about you, your background, your your core beliefs, your values. Even like your personal interests and goals in life. The more your AI knows about you, then the better it can serve you. And then there's another box in there where you tell ChatGPT how it should sound. And the way that you program that is first, you go into another chat and you have it analyze some things that you've already said. So I have a prompt for it in my book. But basically, you you tell ChatGPT, say, hey, I'm going to feed you some excerpts from my writing and speaking.
10:49 Speaker 01 And I want you to analyze these excerpts and create a description of my brand voice, of my writing and speaking style. For ChatGPT's custom instructions. So you're telling ChatGPT to write instructions for ChatGPT. You with me?
11:03 Speaker 02 Yep.
11:03 Speaker 01 Then we take that output. So that you're gonna feed it anything. If you've been on podcasts and you can get a transcript of the podcast and put it in there. Videos that you have, articles that you've written in your authentic brand voice, not AI assisted articles, but things that you have actually written on your own. Or a social media posts. It's not really so much about the content. It's about how you speak. So once you capture that set of instructions that ChatGPT will give back to you, then you paste that into your custom instructions. And now you can use it and it will sound, it'll sound like you. It'll sound unique to you. And there's some advanced things that you can do, but for the sake of time, I won't get into those. But that's the baseline. So now you take the vision, your vision statement for your company, whatever it is, you talk to ChatGPT and you say,
11:47 Speaker 01 I want you to create a concise, easy to remember vision statement that I can share throughout the company so that everyone remembers it. Take that and put it everywhere. Okay. So that's step one, vision. Okay. Any questions about that?
12:00 Speaker 02 I love it. I think that, um, I know that we take a little bit longer than concise version, like a three-page version of that vision, because we want to include different departments and different aspects of, of what we're doing. And I think it's, I think you can go either way there, but I, I like, I, I follow you. So let's go into step two.
12:18 Speaker 01 Yo, it's a yes and. You, you need the three-page vivid vision. You know, you need all of that. But you also need the short concise statement. Look at, look at brands. Just do it. You, you immediately know who I'm talking about.
12:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
12:30 Speaker 01 I mean, there, there are tons of taglines that I can tell you, but you need that, you need that memorable piece of it so that it's embedded in your team members minds.
12:38 Speaker 02 Ethan and I have been talking about vision and he's got a vision statement. I like to use the visit vivid vision from Cameron Harold, who's another guest that's been on the show before, because it's a more in-depth version of that. You can come up with that sharp, uh, tagline, if you will, kind of vision statement, but you can also go deeper with the vivid vision. I think it helps to have both. And the reason I want to go deeper with it is because I want everyone in the company to see their role and to see what team they're on and see how that plays into the bigger picture and see how the, everything works together. Not just have a, a statement or a phrase. I want it to be really crystal clear. That's the way I use vision. So hopefully that helps you as you create your own vision for your company using AI. Back to Ethan.
13:22 Speaker 01 And then the next thing we need to do is innovation. So we need to have an innovation first mindset. And that that needs to be distilled throughout the entire company. So how do we create an innovation first mindset? Well, one, there are lots of ways that I go through in the book, but an easy button? Take a post-it note, stick it to your laptop. Have everyone on your team do this. And that post-it note should simply say, how can AI help me do this faster? It's just a constant reminder, just check with AI first. Ask ChatGPT, hey, this is a recurring task that I have going on. How can I do this faster? Everyone should be doing a time log in your company anyway, to see what they're spending time on.
14:02 Speaker 01 And the clue is any repetitive task that you can put into an SOP or that you have step-by-step processes for. If you can do that, then you can probably automate it. There are tons of tools out there, there are different use case scenarios. But go into that automation, that innovation first mindset for everyone on your team. All right.
14:22 Speaker 02 Ethan's been talking about innovation. Now, I want to add something here because I don't think he said this the way I use it. I'm just going to share with you the way we're using as a team. Every couple of weeks, I ask my team to come to me with something that they're using AI to make their job easier or faster or better. And they get to present this to everyone. And I really love for them to play with the tools, sign up for the free versions, maybe even pay the 30 bucks it takes with different tools with video and audio and text. There's different types of tools that are really specific to different types of problems and solutions. And so if you assign them a way to present that, they have to use it. They have to figure out a way to do it kind of succinctly.
15:07 Speaker 02 It really is a good way to bring innovation into your organization. And imagine your sales team sharing with the other people in sales or maybe in the whole company, how they're using AI. And everyone's learning from that. Everyone's learning together and they're pushing the boundaries. That's if you do that on a regular basis, I think it's really powerful. Back to Ethan.
15:26 Speaker 01 We have vision, we have innovation. The next thing you need to do is broadcast it. Most companies suffer from obscurity. You need to be broadcast. You have to let people know that you exist. And here's the thing, the traditional search engines are slowly dying. Google is down, traditional Google search is down by about 26% right now. Especially from like Generation X to Generation Z. People are wanting to experience your brand on social media. So that way they can look and feel and almost touch and smell you. They want to see that you're actually alive, that you're real. And we're not trusting the sponsored links. Because now if you go to Google, what do you see?
16:08 Speaker 01 You see like seven sponsored links before you even get to the organic links. And consumers are savvy now, so we don't trust things. Another reason that search engine, traditional search is dying is because people are starting to go to AI first. Why? Because if I search something in AI, I just get the answer. Like, there's no BS about it. It just gives me the straight up answer. So whether you're going to Perplexity, which by the way, Perplexity right now is the best AI tool for research because they cite sources and everything's accurate. You have to be careful with ChatGPT. It does still hallucinate. It does make up things from time to time. But Claude also, I think they just, with their latest update, Claude can now search the web.
16:49 Speaker 01 So your brand needs to be positioned so it shows up in AI-powered search engines. And it needs to show up, you need to have a strong social media presence because that's where people are finding things. How do you do that? You need to be everywhere with your long-form content, have articles published, not just on your website, but get them published in big publications, you know, Inc., Forbes, even free publications like medium.com, Substack. And I go through, in the book, I break down exactly how to do that using AI so that you can be published, have long-form articles out there, short form on social media, and you can do it all in just 15 minutes a day. But you need to be everywhere, on social media, on blogs, article sites, every day, all at once.
17:34 Speaker 01 That is the key. That's the new era that we're entering when it comes to broadcast.
17:39 Speaker 02 Now Ethan's talking about broadcast. You may feel like you don't need to be everywhere and you may not need to be. But if you can use AI to streamline your processes and automation and make things easier. You have gone through a lot of work to put in some content. You have a right hook. A hook is that first three seconds that you say to get attention from people. And so you want to make sure that you're doing that really well. But then you can also use AI to create different formats, create different sizes and use it in different ways. Maybe it's make them shorter and shorter and shorter so that they're just real small clips. Or maybe it's to synthesize things into different formats like from audio or video into a written format. That can be posted in different places.
18:24 Speaker 02 So when you get your systems down, if you have a team, you can actually broadcast your message with ease with AI. Back to Ethan. Let me jump in here because one of the things I like about this is, you know, being omnipresent is another word to say that be everywhere. And it's so much easier with AI. I got back some video of the speech I did for you and recently today from my editor. And I said, make sure that you spit it out in the formats that's perfect for the other channels. And it's so easy with AI now.
18:54 Speaker 01 Yes.
18:54 Speaker 02 It is, it literally is automation. You can take a video that was, you know, meant to be horizontal and turn it vertical. And you can have it specifically fit the Instagram platform for reels or LinkedIn. They're two different formats and that's one way we're using it. But I love where you're going with this. What's next?
19:14 Speaker 01 Perfect. The next thing is empathy. So as you know, leaders can't lead without empathy. We need other people and we have to understand how to communicate with them. I had a friend of mine who, who's a business owner, but it's funny, we were talking about this beforehand. We all, as business owners, we have our core thing, our, our art, if you will. No matter if your art is accounting or is dentistry or it's embroidery, whatever it is. But there are other parts of the business that you have to run. You have, you have, you have to know how to lead people. You have to know how to do finances. You need to know all of this as an entrepreneur, even, even though you're delegating it. Have to have empathy as a leader. So I had a friend of mine who was very self-aware and he knows that he's not that empathetic and he can be kind of a harsh manager when it comes to people.
19:59 Speaker 01 So he had this email where he needed to respond to one of his employees and he took the email, put it in chat GPT, asked chat GPT to come back with a response. Chat GPT, chat GPT gave him a nice response. He copied it, pasted it and sent the email back to the employee. The employee responds, what do you think that she said? Did you use chat GPT to write this?
20:19 Speaker 02 Cause it didn't sound like him.
20:20 Speaker 01 Right. It didn't sound like him. So he didn't do step A that I told you, the groundwork of customizing it, first of all. Because the way, the way these L L Ms work is the output is all influenced by the context it is given. So if you don't give it context, it's going to draw its own conclusions based on the data which it has been pre-trained on. That's what GPT means, generative, pre-trained transformer. It's taking data that it was pre-trained on, which is basically the history of humanity, every book ever written, every famous quote. All of these millions and millions of pages of data that has been pre-trained on.
20:58 Speaker 01 And then it takes the context that you give it and then it synthesizes that it transforms it to generate the output. So that's why it's called GPT. The thing is, if you don't give it context, it's going to make it up based on what the data that it does have. And that may not be accurate to how you speak or how you think. It may not be unique to you. It probably won't be unless you tell it. So at first I had him train his chat GPT on his own brand voice. But then also take some samples from other that you're, that employee. Take some of her communication samples, put that into chat GPT. So chat GPT understands how she's, how she thinks. If you have personality tests, that's another great way to do it. We do personality tests in our company as part of our onboarding.
21:42 Speaker 01 We do DISC and sixteen personalities and Clifton strengths. So that we understand how people like to be communicated to. We even do the five love languages. You can take those results, put those into a project folder in, in chat GPT or in Clog. And basically create a persona of your team, of each team member. And it has your persona in your settings. So now it can help you communicate with authentic empathy. Because we may not be naturally good at it. Does that make sense?
22:11 Speaker 02 Now Ethan's been talking about empathy and I was surprised to hear that. But I am not surprised at how important it is in leadership. And I think a lot of leaders struggle with this because they're so focused on their own problems and challenges. They've worked through a lot of issues. They are pretty, you know, for the most part, founders are pretty confident people and pretty decisive. But they sometimes struggle with empathy. And so one way you can use it, and this is one way I use AI all the time. I'll write the email out and I've got my, my brand voice kind of plugged into it and everything. And I'll say, make this more concise and make it a little bit more heartfelt or make it more empathetic. That's a simple way to use this, but you can take almost every email that you have and run it through that. If it's not better, then don't use
22:55 Speaker 02 it. But what I've found is 95% plus it's better, sharper, and it feels like it's on voice. It's my message. I've written it first, but I'm getting AI to, to look at it and rework it with the tone at which I want it delivered. And I've found really good success with that. And it cleans up grammar. So you don't have to think about that. It's just really streamlining a lot of the work that we do here at Growth Think Tank and in our business. Now back to Ethan. That is brilliant. I have not thought about that use case of taking their writing or taking our personality test and having that as a data source to rewrite a message you're trying to send to someone and it can be done in seconds.
23:35 Speaker 01 Yes, exactly, exactly. And the last part is strategy. From the highest, highest levels of your company, you need to weave AI into your strategy. And, and honestly, it's not just AI. AI is just the, the flavor of the month. It's not going anywhere. It's part of our lives, but there will always be some new process, some new innovation if you want to stay ahead of the curve. You know, there's the, the quote that's often misquoted is we hear only the strong survive, right? But that's not the actual quote. That's not what Darwin said. He said, it's not the strongest of the species that survives. It's not the most intellectual, but the species that survives is the one that is able to best adapt and adjust to the environment in which it finds itself.
24:21 Speaker 01 So the key words there being adapt and adjust. That is the strategy. That's the culture that we need to push down throughout our entire organization. Cause that ensures that we not only survive, but we thrive and we, we don't, we're not here to just win by a little bit. Someone who's listening to your podcast, they want to dominate their space and you have to have this mindset forward as a strategy.
24:44 Speaker 02 Ethan's been talking about strategy. This, this wraps up the five different elements of AI powered leadership. And I just wanted to say that strategy of leveraging AI, I don't think is going to go away. I think, I think the companies that can use AI will outperform those that refuse to use it. And those that can use it will probably pale in comparison to the ones that are using it to innovate and push the boundaries. Make things faster because speed is such an important element right now. And with AI, we can be faster than ever before. If you had to come up with 10 new names for a new program or a new product or something, you could have it before you actually, you know, get your coffee in the morning.
25:27 Speaker 02 You could have 10 names, you could have a hundred names and you could choose between those and it could give you some different perspectives. So look at your strategy of AI and figure out where you and your team are missing the chance to innovate. And missing the chance to develop a strategy that's woven into all the things that you do, whether it be sales or marketing or operations, data, customer service in the future. Mark my words, we will be using AI. You will prefer to get an AI customer service rep or a SDR for that call call. Because you can ask it questions and it will be very precise.
26:08 Speaker 02 It will be very helpful and probably even more so than today's current human beings. And it will sound very human like and you will appreciate the fact that the, of the automation. That's the way I look at it. There's so much power in this. I, I remember just one use case that, that someone had recently. They had a customer service team that worked with hospitals and that they were using. Using AI, listening to the calls, not just to transcribe, but to understand the sentiment of that caller and be able to document where they were at the beginning of the call, at the end of the call, and be able to put that in data format and share that back to their client to show the results that they're making and really proving their value
26:50 Speaker 02 as a team and using AI to do it without really any human intervention. Incredible use case. I wonder what your use case would be using strategy to take AI weaved into your business and take it to that next level. Back to Ethan.
27:05 Speaker 01 So as I break that down, you have vision, innovation, broadcasting, your empathy and your strategy. It's an acronym because things are easy to remember when they're an acronym. It's the word vibes because that's what's, that's the vibe that you need to have. These are the vibes you need to have in your company. Because at the end of the day, AI is not here to replace us. It's a part of our lives that is here to amplify us. It's not our enemy, it's our ally. We need to grab this change, change that is always coming our way. Grab it by the horns, own it, know how to lever it, leverage it so that we can dominate in our space. But it will not replace us because we as humans, we have a unique energy signature that cannot be replaced.
27:47 Speaker 02 There's so much on the line around this. You're just ahead of me on this AI. So that's the reason why I wanted to have you on here. We could end right here and be perfect. But I'm just curious, is there anything else that you're seeing in today's world, like just most recently about a specific tool or something that you feel like that people and leaders specifically need to pay attention to?
28:06 Speaker 01 We want to get down to a specific tool.
28:10 Speaker 01 And this is where we need to really, really make sure we date stamp things because this is cool right now, March, we're recording this March 24th, 2025. But Notebook LM, I'm really having a lot of fun with. It's a product from Google where you can put, and you can just Google Notebook, Notebook LM, like Lima Mary. And you can put in a bunch of sources and it will take that and generate a podcast of two people discussing whatever sources you put in there. It could be a book. It could be articles and now you can go and listen to this podcast to very human sounding, a man and a woman discussing this and it's another way for you to learn.
28:50 Speaker 01 For example, I'll give you a practical use case. You can use it for training. You can put in your SOPs as the source material. I like to read certain email newsletters, but I'm busy and often I don't get a chance to read them. So I have them filtered into a folder in my Gmail to read later. So there was this one particular email newsletter that I hadn't read in a long time. I was about 14 issues behind. I'm like, man, I need to catch up and I'm never going to do it. So I took all of those 14 emails, dumped them into Google LM and it generated a podcast for me so that when I'm out on my run, I get to listen to this 30 minute podcast discussing all of these articles and now I know what was in there and it's all AI created, but it sounds like you're listening to humans.
29:33 Speaker 01 Well, they just released a new feature where you can stop the podcast and talk to the hosts and ask the podcast questions and they'll in the podcast will stop and say, hey, we have, we have a question from our listener and they'll listen to what you said and then they will respond to you. It is mind blowing. So that's my new favorite tool.
29:53 Speaker 02 I so love you being here, Ethan. I appreciate your wisdom, your sharpness vibes will stick in my mind right now. Hopefully the listeners here will do the same and I just wanted to say thank you for being here.
30:05 Speaker 01 Always great to be here, Gene. Thanks for having me.
30:07 Speaker 02 I love this episode because not only am I a big fan of AI, I think it's here to stay. I think it's going to get better and better, but I also believe that the preciseness of his vibes really will help you understand how to apply this in today's world. So I'm not going to recount everything he said, but hopefully you've got as much value as I did. There's some definitely some things I'm going to try out and change and play with as I want to be a better leader. I want to lead my team to a higher level with more clarity. I'm sure the same is for you. And if I can help you in any way, make sure you send me an email, [email protected] . When you think of growth and you think of leadership, think of growth and growth. As always.
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