TRISHA PAYTAS: ‘Ethan Klein Told So Many Lies About Me’

Trisha Paytas is one of THE original YouTubers. She started making videos on her kitchen floor over 20 years ago and almost instantly became one of the internet’s most talked about creators. Today, her channel has over a billion views, and she’s behind some of the internet’s most iconic memes. But behind it all is someone who has spent much of her life looking for validation. In our conversation, Trisha opens up about what it’s really like to be one of the internet’s most talked-about people, and the search for validation that has driven so much of it. Trisha shares: Her opinions on Ethan Klein after the Frenemies fallout How she feels about her cancellations How her childhood has impacted her Why Moses is her rock through everythingWhy she chose unique names for her children Trisha reminds us that the opinions that matter the most come from the people who love us. Trisha Paytas is Great Company. Trisha’s book, Crying on the Kitchen Floor, is out NOW https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GTK55DY1?lv=shuf&channelId=500&plpRedirect=mhFallback This episode contains discussions of sexual abuse and self-harm. If you’re affected by anything discussed in this episode, please know that support is available. NSPCC Helpline - 0808 800 5000 Samaritans - 116 123 or visit samaritans.org http://samaritans.org/ If you enjoyed the show, you can also follow us: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/greatcompanypodcast/ TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@greatcompanypodcast Jamie - https://www.instagram.com/jamielaing And if you've got thoughts, questions and comments, you can email us at: [email protected] THE CREDITS Senior Producer: Helen Burke Assistant Producer: Issy Weeks-Hankins Video: Josh Bennett Senior Social Media Manager: Laura Coughlan Audio: Rafi Amsili Geovannetti Production Manager: Archan Mohile Exec Producer: Ewan Newbigging-Lister Great Company is an original podcast from JamPot. Shot on Sony Cinema Line cameras FX6, FX2 with Sony G-Master lenses 16-35GM, 24-70GM Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 2:34Speaker 04

  Have you spoken to Ethan since?

• 2:35Speaker 05

  I haven't talked about him in five years. It's been relentless on his end.

• 2:39Speaker 04

  If Ethan reached out, right, and he said, "Look, Truths, do you think you guys could move forward?"

• 2:43Speaker 05

  I would love for it to stop. They were just like voices that were just telling me like, "Hey, there's the window." And the only reason I'm even talking about it now is because it was really hard for me and I just want to set the record straight.

• 2:56Speaker 04

  Guys, welcome back to Great Company Los Angeles. Still here, recording with some incredible guests, and today's guest is Trisha Paytas. Now, Trisha Paytas is like the queen of the internet. She was like the queen of YouTube when it first started. And today's episode, we chat about her entire life and career. And wow, it is wild. This episode is a roller coaster for so many different reasons, but I'm not going to tell you too much. Okay, get ready for it. Now, before we start, if you're new to the show and you haven't clicked subscribe already, please click that subscribe button. It means you can join our incredible community. It allows us to keep making the show better for you guys each week. And that favor that you do for us, we'll thank you forever. Okay, here you go. Strap in, all right? Because this is a wild episode of Great Company with Trisha Paytas.

• 3:42Speaker 06

  This episode contains discussions of sexual abuse and suicide. Please take care while listening. Support is available in the show notes.

• 3:52Speaker 04

  We're going to talk about this, but being a podcast with your partner is a lot.

• 3:56Speaker 05

  I know. I never wanted to, but my husband does the lighting and sound of ours, so he just started chiming in. And I was like, but it's fun now, but it's always like, it's always a little weird.

• 4:04Speaker 04

  It's always a little, because you're like, "Am I going to bring this home with me? Okay, I guess." And then when you have a fight, you're like, "We have to still do..."

• 4:10Speaker 05

  He brought it up today. He was like bringing up something. He's like, "Oh, speaking of addiction," he's like, "Someone's addicted. I love to make music videos and I'm making one this week." He's like, "Someone's addicted to making music videos." I'm like, "That sounds like you wanted to bring this up, but were too scared to, so you're bringing it up on the podcast," which was fine, but...

• 4:23Speaker 04

  By the way, I start, we just go ahead with it. I give you an intro at the end.

• 4:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, let's do it.

• 4:28Speaker 04

  I find that, okay, for some reason, when you record a podcast, you're recording like content, whatever it is, it's like an excuse to talk about what you actually want to talk about. Why does that happen?

• 4:38Speaker 05

  Because I think you also have to be on your best behavior. So he brought that up and it was very minor. And then I also apologized on our podcast today because he was right about something. Like, he cooks. He cooks all the meals in our house, but I was like working last week, so I was coming home late. And then he's like, "Oh, you should have just told me you wanted a meal." And I was like, "Well, when do I never want a meal?" But he was right. He did ask me if I wanted a meal, and I did say no. But he brought it up later. And I was like, "Well, I always want a meal." But I did actually say that I did not want a meal. So then I apologized to him because I felt bad all weekend. But I was like, "I'll tell you now." So, yeah.

• 5:05Speaker 04

  So this is Moses, your husband?

• 5:07Speaker 05

  Moses, my husband, yeah.

• 5:07Speaker 04

  Oh, man. Moses, what a cool name.

• 5:09Speaker 05

  Cool name, right? Yeah, that's the first time I heard his name. I remember it was on a podcast and someone said their brother's name was Moses. And I'm like, "Moses." I didn't know people were named Moses. Obviously, it's a very common name in the Jewish culture, but I thought it was a joke. I thought it was like Jesus or something, you know? I was like, "What?"

• 5:25Speaker 04

  It's very biblical.

• 5:26Speaker 05

  It's very. And that's what I said.

• 5:27Speaker 04

  It's very biblical.

• 5:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, he gives biblical vibes, too. He's very biblical.

• 5:31Speaker 04

  So how long have you guys been married for?

• 5:33Speaker 05

  Five years in December. How about you and your wife?

• 5:36Speaker 04

  We've been married four years.

• 5:37Speaker 05

  Oh, wow. Do you love it?

• 5:40Speaker 04

  I hate it. No, I love...

• 5:42Speaker 05

  I love being married. And so many people are like against marriage. And like, and like, nothing changes. I'm like, I don't know. I just feel like it's so cool to be married.

• 5:49Speaker 04

  Okay, but why do you love being married? And then I'll tell you why I love it.

• 5:51Speaker 05

  I love being married. Well, I'll tell you, I'll be for real. Like, I always wanted to be married just to say I was married, right? It sounds like someone committed to me. I love it. But I love being married. Maybe I still love it for that reason. It just feels so complete and like, not easy to get out of. Do you know what I mean? Like, we're having a fight or something like that. And we never, ever say like, "Okay, I guess I have my toxic days." Back in the day, I'd be like, "I want a divorce." But we don't say that anymore. But it's very, it's not that easy either. Because I started thinking about it like logically, right? You start to have a fight and you're like, "Um, okay, if we had to..." But I'm like, "Oh, we couldn't afford..." We both live in that house and all our money went to that. We also do have a podcast together. So if we have a fight, we got to get it together by Monday because I'm like, "Well, you're running the lights and the sound." And I don't want to come across as a bitch, so we got to get it together. So it's just so much more complicated.

• 6:33Speaker 04

  Buddy, I'm the same as you.

• 6:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, it feels complete.

• 6:36Speaker 04

  There are times, but there are times, I don't know if you had this as well, when I like, I have a, I'll be honest, I had an argument with my wife last night.

• 6:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:42Speaker 04

  And in my, in my head, I'm like, "I'm going to freaking divorce you."

• 6:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:46Speaker 04

  In my head, and I am like convinced.

• 6:48Speaker 05

  We're the same person.

• 6:49Speaker 04

  I'm like, and then in my head, I'm like working out, like, "Right, okay. So we got a, we got a baby, 10 months old." And I'm like, "Okay, we'll split times. It'll be hard for him, but we'll make it work."

• 6:59Speaker 05

  No, honestly, I'm the opposite of that. I am very much like, okay, I go through the divorce steps. And I'm just like, "I'll have to hire 12 people to do the job Moses does." Because he is like, he's like primary parent. He's always like doing everything, cooking, fixing the house, doing the audio and visuals of our podcast. Like, I was just like, "Oh, I actually like could not replace him anyways." I mean, obviously, I love my husband so much. That goes without saying because I like love so easily. But all that too. It's like, well, the complications of it all. Are you, is something wrong with you? I mean, not wrong with you, but like, do you have like a mental illness? I have mental illness. So just so, why ask? I'm borderline. Are you as well? So I don't want to be like, "What's wrong with you?" But like...

• 7:33Speaker 04

  No, just this is great. I have anxiety.

• 7:36Speaker 05

  Okay. Yeah, I have, I have a couple of mental illnesses. And so that's why that plays into like divorce after one fight. I'm like, "Oh, my God, divorce." So then I was thinking, is that with you? Because my husband never thinks about it.

• 7:45Speaker 04

  But that's, but that's abandonment.

• 7:48Speaker 05

  Okay, so maybe that's what you have.

• 7:49Speaker 04

  I used to go to therapy every week.

• 7:51Speaker 05

  Same.

• 7:52Speaker 04

  And then I stopped.

• 7:54Speaker 05

  Don't you feel like you kind of like lose it a little bit when you stop going?

• 7:57Speaker 04

  I know I miss it.

• 7:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's why you thought about divorce last night after one fight.

• 8:00Speaker 04

  Because those little freaking demons, they're coming back in.

• 8:03Speaker 05

  Oh, you have the demons. Okay. There's a lot then. There's a lot.

• 8:05Speaker 04

  But tell me, but why? So what's anxiety?

• 8:10Speaker 05

  Um, I don't, maybe once I had kids, I started getting anxiety. I don't suffer. That's not my, that's not my worst thing about me. I have borderline personality disorder. I guess anxiety a little more now, but same thing as you, very avoid, like, yeah, very much like abandonment issues.

• 8:27Speaker 04

  I interviewed someone called Alan DeBottan. He's an amazing guy. And he said, I asked him how you make relationships work, right? I said, "How do you make a relationship?" Because 50% or just over is like ends in divorce. How do you make it work? He said, "If you go into a relationship knowing that you're two broken souls, just trying to figure out life, you probably have the best chance."

• 8:43Speaker 05

  Oh, I love that.

• 8:43Speaker 04

  All of us are broken souls. Some may be more broken than others, but we're all kind of broken. Well, none of us are perfect. And then when I had a kid, it made me feel that towards my parents as well. I was like, "Oh, my God, they did this for the first time."

• 8:54Speaker 05

  Yeah. You have a lot more empathy for your parents, but do you also find sometimes with my kids, I'm like, "Wait, but this is..." You know, they'd be like, "Wait till you have a kid like you." And then I'm like, "I do have a kid just like me." And I'm like, "But it's actually like really easy to like forgive and not yell and like be patient, actually, because they're just little beings." Because like, I had a father that like yelled a lot, like screamed a lot at me. And like, I, and I was young. I was like four. Like, I kicked an ant trap out, right? Like, he'd like scream at me. Obviously, my dad and I are close now, and he's not like that. But I could never. My kids are like, I'm the opposite where like, they could like literally do something like knock this cup of water over. I'm like, "It's okay, sweetie. You're perfect." You know what I mean? It's like the opposite. So it's like, I have empathy for my parents, but at the same time, I'm kind of like, it's a little easier than you guys made it out to be. You don't have to like scream at me for everything.

• 9:35Speaker 04

  Do you think, do you think that maybe our anxieties stem from childhood?

• 9:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think it's, I know mine personally is like trauma-based. Like, I mean, there are people definitely born like mentally unwell and chemical imbalances and all that stuff like that. Mine, I do believe, came from just trauma, like childhood trauma. But then, you know, it gets worse because it was, I was untreated. I don't know what age. Are you a millennial?

• 9:57Speaker 04

  I'm the same age as you, 88.

• 9:59Speaker 05

  Okay, wow, we are just so similar here.

• 10:02Speaker 04

  Did you like that I knew that off the cuff as well, that you were eighty-eight?

• 10:04Speaker 05

  I do love that.

• 10:04Speaker 04

  No notes as well?

• 10:05Speaker 05

  That was crazy, yeah.

• 10:06Speaker 04

  Throw that away.

• 10:07Speaker 05

  What is your background? Like, how did you get this? Were you like an influencer on a reality show or something?

• 10:12Speaker 04

  I did a reality show called Made in Chelsea. Don't know if you've heard of it, or seen it, or know about it. It was a show, it was like, it's a show about being posh in the UK, right? Terrible idea. Anyway, I did it for a while, came off that, and realized that when you take a shortcut into something, it's a long road round. So then, it took me like a lot of years to do different things.

• 10:30Speaker 05

  In the UK or here?

• 10:31Speaker 04

  In the UK. And then now, I'm coming to the US because I just find the, I find so, speaking to people like you, for me, is so interesting because I find the US over here just a fascinating place. So that's my real...

• 10:43Speaker 05

  Interesting. Well, it is, compared to London, can I say that? Like, London is a little slow-paced. I mean, no, I loved it. I just did a show at the Royal Albert Hall. Love them. It was my biggest show ever. I love UK people. But in general, it's a slow-paced.

• 10:56Speaker 04

  It's a different pace for sure. It's like, it's, there's a different energy here. LA is basically, American general is about, there's a pace towards success. That's what it is. It's like, everything is like, commercial, every person you meet, it's like, I, I love this person, how can they help me get to my next step?

• 11:11Speaker 05

  A hundred percent. Yeah, yeah, a little fake, a little...

• 11:13Speaker 04

  It's a little, it's not, I don't think...

• 11:13Speaker 05

  Opportunist.

• 11:14Speaker 04

  It's like, totally, which I, which weirdly, I don't mind, in some ways. London is fast-paced, but the energy is different. It's not just about, it's not about success there. Everyone's on a rat race, going as fast as they can, but sometimes I think we don't really know why we're on that rat race, because we don't like talking about money, we don't like talking about success, and if we do, we don't like when people do that. Well, in America, we champion all of that.

• 11:39Speaker 05

  Which is funny, because if you are on a show about being posh, were you guys not talking about money and like cars and flexing?

• 11:43Speaker 04

  Hence why people really didn't like it. But then, some people really did love it.

• 11:46Speaker 05

  Who's the, is there a breakout star from, is like Gemma Collins, was she on that show?

• 11:49Speaker 04

  She was on The Only Way is Essex, which was our rival show.

• 11:52Speaker 05

  I did Celebrity Big Brother, and I remember, I think it was Sam who was on Only Way is Essex.

• 11:55Speaker 04

  Sam Thompson, no, he was on my show with me. So Sam Thompson...

• 11:59Speaker 05

  Oh my god. You gave me that energy, and I was like, oh no. But then we had connected, and I was like, okay, we, yeah, we hated each other on the show. He was awful. He was a little, he's a prick, is that what you guys say in the UK? He was a little prick. I had to apologize to him on Big Brother, because I did, yeah. I, I mean, he's, he's probably fine, he's probably grown, I don't know, I don't want to say about him. But you give same vibes. Oh, so you were on the same show together?

• 12:19Speaker 04

  Why do I give the same vibe?

• 12:20Speaker 05

  Um, just, you know.

• 12:24Speaker 05

  Just very, but now I can handle it. I think back then, when I was on the show, twenty seventeen, I was just like, so mentally unwell, I just hated guys like that, which is just like, um...

• 12:33Speaker 04

  But guys like what? Tell me. We can be so honest with you, we can be so honest with each other, so I love it.

• 12:37Speaker 05

  Can I tell you, I was, I was the mess on that show. So I, like, I apologized to him on the show too. It's like, it's more, I think I've been intimidated, I've always said this, even about my own son. I'm intimidated by guys in general, especially like young, like teenage boys scare the shit out of me. But then you get like, a little bit cocky, like posh boys, as you would say, right? The ones that like, I don't know if you come from money, but he gave me that vibe. And so it's just like, ah, it's just like that arrogance, and I was just like annoyed with it because I was so, I just always had like a hatred of men early on on the show. Also, I was mentally unwell. I never, what, did therapy before the show. I was very, very unwell. Um, so I think all of that kind of triggered high school in me. So like, the boys, the like, cute boys in high school, they were awful to me. So whenever I see, even teenage boys now...

• 13:15Speaker 04

  I, I appreciate your honesty, and I understand it massively, because I saw something the other day by Gabor Maté, who said, "When people are triggered, they go back to the age the trauma happened." So it, so it does, so you act the age what happened. So someone, if you were triggered because of young kids, because it's a trauma that you experienced when you were a younger child, you're gonna go back to that age. So you react in a certain way. So I

• 13:38Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 13:38Speaker 04

  totally, one hundred percent under...

• 13:40Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 13:41Speaker 04

  If guys were mean to you, and they treated you badly, then of course that's gonna happen, especially, and, I'm gonna be honest, posh boys are pricks.

• 13:48Speaker 05

  Right, well, so you would know. So I, I think that is it. That's actually so, I never heard of that or thought of that, but makes actually perfect sense.

• 13:57Speaker 04

  If you were gonna say something to Sam Thompson now, what would you say to him?

• 14:01Speaker 05

  Hope you're doing better than you were on the show. Because he was a little, he was a little, he was being a little prick to me, but, you know what? No hard feelings, love you, hope you're doing well. Is he successful? He probably has a podcast too. He's probably doing great, hope you're well.

• 14:15Speaker 04

  You, you, you did say your brother, you left after eleven days.

• 14:18Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 14:18Speaker 04

  It's a lot.

• 14:19Speaker 05

  Did you ever do it? You're probably too, oh no, we're the same age, Jasmine's the age of young.

• 14:22Speaker 04

  We're the same age. I got, I got asked it, I've never done it.

• 14:24Speaker 05

  I get that. I think Celebrity Big Brother was such a big thing for me because I'm an internet person, I wasn't on reality TV, so I was like, wow, this is like a big deal that they're asking me to be on here. I wasn't too familiar with the UK one. I knew like, Jenna Jameson and Pamela Anderson.

• 14:36Speaker 04

  Did they pay you?

• 14:38Speaker 05

  That was kind of my whole like, viral moment there, was I was just like, do I get paid a little money? Like, if I leave early, like, can I get a little bit, or all of it? And they, I can confirm, they paid me just a little bit of it, but it was a good paycheck, it was good back then.

• 14:50Speaker 04

  Can I ask, what was the pay back then?

• 14:52Speaker 05

  Can I say? I guess I can say, it doesn't matter, it's not even on anymore, right? They can't see me. Um, it was eighty thousand US dollars. I don't know what that is in pounds.

• 14:59Speaker 04

  That was your full pay, or is that what they paid you?

• 15:01Speaker 05

  That was gonna be my full pay, and at the time, it was a big deal. I mean, it's a big deal.

• 15:05Speaker 04

  It's still a big deal.

• 15:05Speaker 05

  It was like a month. I think that was a pretty good thing for a month.

• 15:08Speaker 04

  I think that's a great deal.

• 15:09Speaker 05

  I was really excited.

• 15:12Speaker 04

  Talk to me about like, growing up. You grew up in California.

• 15:14Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:15Speaker 04

  Um, school was tough?

• 15:18Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, so I, that's also confusing. So I was born in California, my dad stayed in California, my parents divorced when I was four, and I went back to Illinois. So I like went to most of my school in Illinois. My dad always just stayed in California, so that's I think where the abandonment comes from, right? It's like, why is my dad in California and we're in Illinois? And everyone else had dads, and we'd come see him in summer and Christmases, and so, yeah, and then I went to school in Illinois.

• 15:39Speaker 04

  And your mom, was that there?

• 15:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, she's from Illinois. And Illinois is like very, I don't know if you know, it's very like, country. It's like a country, it's like farm town area. So it was very country. Um, and that was just like, not my vibe, but I blacked out, like, not blacked out, like disassociated a lot of my childhood, I think, because like, even writing the book, I was like, god, I kind of don't talk about childhood, you know what I mean?

• 16:00Speaker 04

  Because I can even tell right now, Drew, when you're talking about it, you almost like, you close a little bit.

• 16:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, I was just like, oh my gosh, because it's like, it's just something I never talk about or think, like, it actually feels like I didn't have a childhood in that sense.

• 16:12Speaker 04

  Are you serious?

• 16:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, because like, do you have good, I don't have any good memories of childhood, but then the bad memories, I kind of like, blocked out, I think.

• 16:19Speaker 04

  So when do the memories kick in?

• 16:20Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, like, I remember things, I remember, like, if I'm really like, sat down to think, like I did when I was writing this book, I was like, okay, let me like, remember. But like, my life to me begins, like, when I come to California, where I'm like seventeen, eighteen, so that's where like, memories kick in. But as a kid, I'm just like, I remember things if I'm like forced to, but it's like, I didn't have like, best friends growing up, I didn't do activities. Like, I do, I can see that it was me. I, I think I was like a little, maybe off-putting. Like, I'm not, even to this day, if people want to be my friend, I literally have to tell them, because now I know myself enough to be like, I'm not a great friend, I'm not a great, we didn't have texting back in the day, but I'm not good at texting, I don't want to hang out with people. And I think maybe I gave off a little of that energy when I was younger as well.

• 17:00Speaker 04

  Really?

• 17:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, that I was like, I liked being alone, I liked watching movies. I don't know, like, maybe that's, I can see that it was probably more me than the kids. Because I wasn't like, also like ruthlessly bullied, where I'm like, the kids all are gonna die, Carrie status, you know, it wasn't like that. It was just like, I was just kind of by myself.

• 17:15Speaker 04

  So you, you introverted or extroverted?

• 17:17Speaker 05

  I would say, yeah. What do they say? Is like an extrovert or introvert?

• 17:21Speaker 04

  Extroverted, introverted.

• 17:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's definitely me. Like, I love to be alone, I love my alone time, but then I love this too. Like, I love, I never get out, so like, getting to promote this book, I'm like, I get to meet you, I get to meet all the people I would never, I just don't ever talk to people or anything like that. But I do like people, the older I get, I do appreciate people more.

• 17:37Speaker 04

  So why now have you decided to write the book?

• 17:39Speaker 05

  I just thought like, it was a good time, right? Like, twenty years I've been doing social media, and I just was like, I really wanted to be the first to do something, where it was like, I don't think any of like, the original like YouTubers that were, came out in like two thousand and six and stuff, had, had wrote a book about the beginning of the internet. So I really was like, oh, I'm gonna do that.

• 17:55Speaker 04

  Fascinating.

• 17:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, I thought so too, and I, my publishers thought so. So when I set out to write the book, it wasn't like a memoir about my childhood, which it kind of became, it was more like, oh, I want to like, the beginning stages of the internet and where it is now, because I like, love the internet still, like, I love being an influencer, whatever you want to call me. But, um, I was like, unique in the sense that, like, yeah, I was like, the first person to be like, on YouTube, and still posting content to this day.

• 18:15Speaker 04

  You know, your, your book is called Crying on the Kitchen Floor?

• 18:18Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 18:18Speaker 04

  Because, can we say that's maybe in a way what you're famous for in a way?

• 18:24Speaker 05

  Of course, that's why I named the book that.

• 18:26Speaker 04

  So for anyone who doesn't know, can you explain that title to me?

• 18:28Speaker 05

  So I, I mean, Crying on the Kitchen Floor videos definitely started, probably even around like Celebrity Big Brother, there was definitely kitchen floor videos around that time. It was like, between like twenty fifteen and like twenty nineteen, and it was just me having mental breakdowns on my kitchen floor, which at the time, you know, was very, uh, was real, it was all I knew how to do, but I was making money doing it, and then people thought I was a little crazy back then. And I feel like now, people think it's a little camp. They'll be like, this is me, or whatever, you know what I mean? But back then, it was very, very real, mental breakdowns for sure. And it was just constantly, because I was just in a state of such being unwell. Have you ever, do you know, did you know anything about me before this interview?

• 19:03Speaker 04

  Hundred percent, yeah.

• 19:04Speaker 05

  Okay, so did you know those videos?

• 19:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, listen, whether you, I've seen your videos, whether you've seen your videos, you would have, you, or you don't even know your name, you've seen memes, you've seen...

• 19:14Speaker 05

  Okay, I wanted to know what you've seen.

• 19:15Speaker 04

  Ah, dude, you're, you're, uh, like...

• 19:20Speaker 04

  Work is like vast. I'm not even kidding you. There are memes, there are gifs, there are like soundbites, there are videos that so.

• 19:28Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 19:29Speaker 04

  I think the really interesting thing about you is that I would argue even if someone doesn't know who you are, they've probably seen something you've done.

• 19:38Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 19:39Speaker 04

  And because your YouTube channel's got over a billion views, right?

• 19:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:42Speaker 04

  So that's insane personally. I reckon if I went to my mom, who's in her seventies, she wouldn't know who you are, but she would have seen a video of you at some point.

• 19:50Speaker 05

  You think in the seventies?

• 19:51Speaker 04

  I don't know. She's, I honestly think so, which makes you kind of, which makes you like a cultural phenomenon in a way, which is kind of amazing.

• 19:59Speaker 05

  Okay, I love that. I'll take that. Thank you. Yeah, well, you probably know too, it's like the whole like, does anyone even care about me anymore? You know, you like did a reality show and then it's like, you just never know, you're always questioning if people still care and.

• 20:09Speaker 04

  Well, the problem is, I tell you what it is, the problem with social media is that we're constantly comparing ourselves the whole time, which is really tough.

• 20:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:17Speaker 04

  Not only that, it's like a constant survive to stay relevant the whole time, which is really hard. And you were at the birth of the internet, that's why your book is so interesting, because at the birth of the internet, there was less competition. So you could post a video, get loads and loads of millions of views and no one else was really posting.

• 20:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 04

  Because they didn't know how to, they didn't know what it was about. And now you're competing with seven billion people because everyone has a phone.

• 20:39Speaker 05

  Everyone, everyone's a TikToker and the brand deals, yeah, there was like no brand deals back then. There wasn't even monetization. So like, no one was really competing for money. So it was really just the people like, for the love of it, posting. So it felt a little more authentic.

• 20:50Speaker 04

  When was your first, when was the first time you posted a video? Do you remember that day?

• 20:52Speaker 05

  Yes, January 4th, 2007 was my first.

• 20:54Speaker 04

  Walk me through that. So what, you put the camera up, what happens?

• 20:57Speaker 05

  Yes. So yeah, I had like a little digital camera and I didn't know how to edit or anything. That like only recorded up to 59 seconds and then it would stop. So I just like did 59 second videos for my first like two years. And I was in this little apartment in Hollywood. I had just graduated high school. I was like 18 years old. And it's like the apartment in Hollywood that has no doorknob. It's right on Hollywood and Highland. So it's like the Mecca of like LA.

• 21:15Speaker 04

  It has no doorknob?

• 21:16Speaker 05

  It has no doorknob and no one would fix it because it was like 800 bucks. So it was like 800 bucks and like my landlord wouldn't fix it. My neighbor was like, and I say this with so much love, like he was a crackhead Superman. He was Superman on Hollywood Boulevard and he did love his crack, but he was so sweet. And that was, and he protected me. So like if anyone tried to come in through the doorknob, like Superman was right next door, like across the hallway from me. And he would like come in and be like, someone's trying to get into your door. So he was always protecting me because he was a crackhead. So he was up all hours in the night. So it was great. I didn't have to worry about sleeping. Anyways.

• 21:44Speaker 04

  How much was rent?

• 21:45Speaker 05

  Eight hundred dollars in 2006. Yeah. Mm hmm. In Hollywood though, it was like Hollywood and Highland.

• 21:50Speaker 04

  Steel.

• 21:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was a great.

• 21:51Speaker 04

  Absolutely steel.

• 21:52Speaker 05

  And it's, it's built up now, but like, back then it was a little bit, a little bit scary. But it was behind a liquor store and it was wonderful and I, and I did love it because it was LA. So it was everything. And so I remember uploaded a video because I was, I was kind of popular on MySpace. I think I had like, I don't know. I mean, I literally quit community college because I had like 30,000 followers on MySpace. And so I wanted to put my, my voice on my MySpace page. And it's a little embarrassing now. It was dedicated to Quentin Tarantino at the time. So it was so embarrassing. My name was Mrs. Tarantino, which is, ugh.

• 22:21Speaker 04

  And you moved to LA because of Quentin Tarantino and then you met him like three weeks later.

• 22:25Speaker 05

  Three weeks later. And it was because I was posting these videos on my MySpace page. And, um, you know, just reenacting scenes from his movies and stuff. And then Eli Roth had saw it, seen him. And then he was like, oh, you should come to this theater that Quentin owned. And he invited me and I got to meet Quentin. So I got to meet him like really like right away.

• 22:39Speaker 04

  What was the moment you met him like?

• 22:40Speaker 05

  It was.

• 22:41Speaker 04

  Back then, if you take yourself back to Trisha back then, when, forget Quentin now, but back then. And you're seeing this person that you have like dedicated your whole like persona to.

• 22:51Speaker 05

  Right. I felt like I really did feel so powerful. I feel like people nowadays will be like, she's such a good manifester. And I like, I felt it in that moment where I was like, damn, I really could do anything. Because I literally was just like, I want to meet Quentin Tarantino. That's all I want to do. That's why I'm coming to LA. And like in three weeks I met him and I was just like, ooh, I'm like super powerful. So I really did kind of know back then that I could like, I didn't know what manifesting was back then, but I really was like, oh, I can kind of make anything happen. And what I didn't know is I was so powerful at the time. I did know that. I didn't know it worked the other way where it's like negativity. So like for me, I also manifested, no one's ever going to love me because I was, you know, I was a stripper at the time. I was all these things and I was like, no one's going to love me and I, I don't deserve love. And so I was manifesting that my whole life. I was just manifesting toxicity. And I was like, you know, my relationship with my dad, I'm like, it'll never get better.

• 23:34Speaker 05

  So like, didn't get better. So it really was like, I was just digging myself in a hole. I was creating drama and more drama was coming to me because I was such a magnet to the universe.

• 23:41Speaker 04

  And so you, you could draw in great things like meeting Quentin Tarantino, but you could also draw in the negative things.

• 23:47Speaker 05

  Oh, a thousand percent. Like I really thought like to be an LA story. I thought it had to like involve drugs and sex and all. So I was like, I'm going to just do it all while I get here. You know what I mean? Like movies dictated my whole life. So my, early on I like loved the movie Taxi Driver, right? I was like obsessed with the movie. Great movie. But in my head, I was like, oh, I'm going to be a 13 year old like prostitute. And Harvey Keitel's going to come save me from all my problems. So I thought this is what I got to do. Granted, I was 18 when that happened, but I still thought, oh, Harvey Keitel's going to come save me and I'm going to find this man to like be my, you know what I mean? So it took me the other way.

• 24:17Speaker 04

  So in your head, you were following down the route of movies because you believed in these movies. And you saw your superhero was going to come at some point and save you. And I, I suppose the thing is, is now that you're like a mom, you just think that like, I would never let my babies get to a place where they would feel that way.

• 24:32Speaker 05

  I, I cried when I found out I was having a daughter. Do you have a daughter or a son?

• 24:35Speaker 04

  I have a son.

• 24:35Speaker 05

  Okay. I wanted a son so bad because when I found out I had a daughter, a lot of people thought it was like, you know, me wanting to be a boy mom. And it wasn't even any of that. It was just like, damn, I know how hard it is for girls, especially little girls with self-esteem, self-worth.

• 24:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:49Speaker 05

  Mine was school. I was abused by, you know, male like figures in my school and adults that I trusted. And it's just like, damn, like, so my daughters, I'm shelter them so much. And I just do that because I'm so worried of them being exposed to the world. And, um, it's tough, like girls, it's tough. But I'm really, God, if that ever was my daughter, I would just, um, I don't know what I would do. I would, I don't know. So I really try to bubble her. I really try to give her this cushy life. I hope she stays with me forever. I'm like, I hope she lives with me for the rest of her life.

• 25:18Speaker 04

  But you know what? The beautiful thing I think is this, Trisha, is that the fact that you have had those experiences and you have been through that, you can now be the most amazing mentor and coach to your kids to make sure that they don't experience those things because you know what it's like to go through that. So if you see that sort of like drifting towards it.

• 25:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 25:33Speaker 04

  You're like, hang on a second, I know where this path goes and I'm going to stop it, right?

• 25:36Speaker 05

  I could, yeah, and I would be able to tell right away and like any sort of like low self-worth or self-esteem. And I, I build them up so much, like as much as I possibly can, because I just, I didn't have that. And it's not even because anyone like tore me down. It was just no one built me up like, oh, you're good at this. So you should do this. It was nothing like that. It was just kind of like, good luck, you know, out there. And it's, my parents worked all the time. They were really hardworking and stuff like that. So I don't blame them. But I really just want to make sure she knows like her worth, like she can do anything.

• 26:00Speaker 04

  Do you know what? No wonder you have that, um, sort of vision of men. Because it feels like you said that at school, you had these people in authority abusing you.

• 26:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. I had a lot of sexual abuse in school and the boys, the teenage boys, because it was by adult men, but the teenage boys would make fun of me for it. Like they'd be like, ooh, you have a crush on this person or you're this or whatever about like me and other people, like adult men. And I think it was like, I, I hated the young boys for it. I was like, the adult men are mature, even though they were the ones doing that, they abused. And I remember the like teenage boys. I just remember they were like mocking me for having boobs or for talking to like teachers or anything that they would just like, be assholes. And I was just like, ugh. So I never.

• 26:39Speaker 04

  Yes, you don't trust them, right? So then it becomes a point where you don't trust. And then when you have heartbreak as well, you're just like, men are assholes. I get it.

• 26:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. And I never dated anyone under 40 my entire life, from 16 on. I've always dated 40 plus. Like I've never dated anyone in their twenties. I maybe my boyfriend that was gay was like 37 maybe. I don't know. I can't remember.

• 26:58Speaker 04

  Your boyfriend?

• 26:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. I didn't have a gay boyfriend, which I love. I, he knows I apologize so many times. I probably knew deep down he was gay, but he was great. But he might've been my youngest at like 37 maybe.

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• 28:43Speaker 04

  Can we talk about Moses quickly?

• 28:44Speaker 05

  I would love nothing more.

• 28:46Speaker 04

  What's the best thing about your husband?

• 28:47Speaker 05

  Um, I, I think his just, he's so, he's the most non-judgmental person. He has a philosophy that I constantly argue with him on the podcast about is he thinks that like you either love everybody or you hate everyone. He thinks you can't like hate one person and love other. He's like, you have to love everybody. Or otherwise you like hate everyone. And I was like, that's not true. I hate this person, I hate this person. And so like, you know what I mean? We argue that all the time, but he is so grounded in like love and being non-judgmental. I mean, people can wrong him so hard and I want to like make a video. I want to like fight back and he's like, it's okay, it's okay. I was like, no, it's not like they're lying there at this. He is the most laid back, everything is okay. Every, everything in life. He's like, it's fine. Like we're here, everything is fine. And I was like,

• 29:32Speaker 05

  okay, period. I mean, I tried to adapt that, but I haven't really fully.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  Do you know, what was the moment when he proposed to you?

• 29:37Speaker 05

  I love it. My proposal's my favorite. Did you love your proposal?

• 29:40Speaker 04

  Loved it.

• 29:41Speaker 05

  I loved it. So the proposal itself was diabolical. We were, I'm a cosplayer. And so I was like-

• 29:48Speaker 04

  You're a lacrosse player?

• 29:49Speaker 05

  I'm a cosplayer.

• 29:50Speaker 04

  I thought you said you were a lacrosse player.

• 29:52Speaker 05

  I was dressed as a lacrosse player, yeah. I was, we were dressed, okay, so he asked my glam team. He was like, when should I propose? And they're like, when she's in, you know, her hair and makeup. She wants to look pretty for the pictures. So he took that as like my next one was I was cosplaying Jasmine and he was gonna be like Jafar and we were in like these outfits. And we're in the sand dunes and I'm, I'm like way too tanned. My hair is like a black wig. Like I'm just like, I don't look like myself at all. And he proposed and I was like, this is such a weird time to propose, but okay. And then I, but I loved it.

• 30:21Speaker 04

  Did you feel like you were floating at the time? It's weird, isn't it? When you suddenly get proposed, you're like, this is happening. This is happening. This is happening.

• 30:26Speaker 05

  I'm sure you've had relationships. I never had a relationship. So I'm just like, wow, someone wants to marry me. No one even wanted to be my boyfriend. I never had a boyfriend that I lived with. Oh, there's the proposal. There it is. Yes. We're in the sand dunes. There it is. I couldn't believe it. Not only did this man want to marry me, I, I was like so in disbelief. He, he picked out the ring. I showed him one time this ring that I wanted really early on, like within a week. I was like, I want this ring.

• 30:48Speaker 04

  That is a rock.

• 30:49Speaker 05

  This is, um, yeah, there was in the two, early 2000s, we had a show called It's Real Life and Tracy Bingham was married to, engaged to a billionaire and she had this ring. And I was like, I want this ring. And my husband was able, you know, the wholesale industry here in LA, he was able to find one that was, you know, a cute diamond. And it's not Cartier, but I like loved it so much because it was big. And I was like, I just want a big, I don't care if it's a big dirty diamond. And it's a big dirty diamond. Yeah. Not a dirty diamond. I feel like that's like blood diamond. Not, not at that. He found it in LA. But, um, and paid for it. That's not crazy. But, um, yeah. And I think the fact that he remembered what, what ring I wanted and he was proposing, he said he called my dad, which was crazy. I was like, what the hell? Like I, it was this whole thing. So-

• 31:28Speaker 04

  A real gentleman.

• 31:29Speaker 05

  A real gentleman. And it was, I was, I was shocked. Oh my God. Talk about like damaged goods. I was like, no one, like no one is gonna ever want to marry me, like whatever. And I was, it was, it was insane. I couldn't believe it.

• 31:39Speaker 04

  Do you know what? That is so beautiful and magical because I can feel it on you, right? You, you, you felt like you didn't have the self-worth for men. You felt like you weren't good enough for these people, right? And then someone saying, I want to be with you for the rest of your life because you are worth being with. Must have been a moment for you where you're just like, oh my God, wait.

• 31:56Speaker 05

  I mean, that's how I got sober from pills. And literally the next day I just like, I just threw them like all down the toilet. I was on a lot of Xanax when I met him. That was like my drug of choice back then. And I was just constantly out of it. I was constantly, it was quarantine. I was constantly out of it. And I just remember being like, I cannot fuck this up. And he did not like when I take Xanaxes. He would be like, it was, it was obviously a point of contention and all this stuff like that. And I would hide it from him, but I was like, I really need to stop. And that was the last time I ever took pills was-

• 32:20Speaker 04

  Was it really?

• 32:21Speaker 05

  Yeah. Mm-hmm. And I never took like a Xanax. Even now, even my C-sections, I never took anything. They did give me like, they had to give me like fentanyl for like an emergency C-section, which I was pissed about because I didn't want to take it. But I never took any pain pills afterwards, like nothing.

• 32:31Speaker 04

  Do you drink?

• 32:32Speaker 05

  No, no. But I never drank only because like I didn't like the taste of alcohol.

• 32:34Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 32:35Speaker 05

  Yeah. Mm-hmm. So I never-

• 32:36Speaker 04

  So that moment changed it for you?

• 32:38Speaker 05

  Oh yeah. I was just like, I'm done with any of the pills. And I didn't, never want to take pills again. And, um, I really got into therapy more that year too. So I stopped taking like any like medications, um, like got weaned off of them. And it was, it was the best thing ever.

• 32:50Speaker 04

  What do you think Moses would say the best thing about you is?

• 32:52Speaker 05

  I mean, I'm a, I'm like an over lover where I feel like if you didn't know me, I could be like a love bomber. But I genuinely love, especially my kids. I'm constantly like, I love you so much. I probably just like, okay, mom. Um, I'm definitely like, just, I'm a really loving person. Um, I don't know, to be honest. I mean, I know I bring fun to his life. He's always like, my life was boring before I met you. So I know I bring fun. That's a great question. Honestly, I need to know Moses because-

• 33:15Speaker 04

  We need to ask you Moses. We need to ask you Moses.

• 33:18Speaker 05

  I don't know what I bring.

• 33:19Speaker 04

  Moses, you will bring so much.

• 33:20Speaker 05

  I don't know if I bring anything to this relationship.

• 33:22Speaker 04

  No, the reason why I asked you is because I wanted, sometimes when, um, sometimes when you ask that question, it makes you realize actually what you do. And then sometimes I think we need to reaffirm that within ourselves, right?

• 33:30Speaker 05

  Can I tell you, I actually don't know what I do in this relationship. Like I'm so lucky. I hit the like jackpot. My husband does everything. I'm like, he does everything. He literally, when I gave birth, he'd like, I never caught up with the kids during a postpartum. Like I just got to sleep my whole eight hours and I had the best postpartum recovery because of that. Like he knew I could probably spiral into some depression and he got up every single night with all the babies.

• 33:51Speaker 04

  Moses?

• 33:55Speaker 05

  Thank you guys for appreciating that. Some people would be like, wow, you're a mom. You don't want to get up with your kids. And I was like, I just needed to sleep and it-

• 34:00Speaker 04

  No, listen, everyone's different. You've got to be the best mom.

• 34:02Speaker 05

  What do you think your wife would say about you that you bring to the relationship?

• 34:06Speaker 04

  Holy shit.

• 34:06Speaker 05

  Because I would love to know because we're so similar that I'm like, are you a 10 percenter or how much do you bring to the relationship?

• 34:12Speaker 04

  I, I think my wife would say, oh, she would say, she would say, uh, I would do anything for them.

• 34:24Speaker 04

  I mean, anything.

• 34:25Speaker 05

  Call and you're there.

• 34:26Speaker 04

  I, I think, I think Sophie would, doesn't matter where she is, what she's doing, what's happening. She would know that if something was wrong or I needed, she needed me, I, it would be sorted and I would make it happen.

• 34:38Speaker 05

  Reliability. And then you feel your abandonment because you would never abandon them. So that's kind of beautiful. Cause it's, you either follow or you change, you break the mold. I love that.

• 34:47Speaker 04

  How much do I owe you for that therapist? That was unbelievable. That is exactly it.

• 34:53Speaker 05

  Yeah. Mm-hmm.

• 34:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think so. And also I just love her deeply. I really, and, and we do, and also I, I think I bring, and I, and it, she is just, yeah, she's, she's, she's the coolest.

• 35:04Speaker 05

  She's the coolest. I feel the same way about Moses. There's no, I, I used to have celebrity crushes and I used to like fantasize about celebrities and stuff like that. And I-

• 35:10Speaker 04

  Quentin Tarantino.

• 35:12Speaker 05

  Maybe like Zac Efron or something like that. But I used to be like, what if? And that's why I like, didn't want to get married for so long. Cause I was just like, what if like Brad Pitt wants to marry me? Like I used to always think that, never have those thoughts. I'm literally never do.

• 35:23Speaker 04

  Now you stop window shopping.

• 35:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:25Speaker 04

  You stop, you, you basically get married and you go, this is my person. Here we go. And that for me was like, for some reason, when you're in a relationship, you're like just boyfriend, girlfriend, you're like, the grass could be greener.

• 35:34Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  And then you suddenly get married, you're like, the grass is not fucking greener. This is great.

• 35:38Speaker 05

  Well, I think you have to go through a lot of relationships to also understand that. Cause I've been through so many and I'm like, damn, it all sucks. And then my husband, who was like not my type and I thought was boring. I was like, well, this is better than being like yelled at or like, you know, big ignored or like left alone on Thanksgiving. Like I was like, this is not bad, I guess. And then I grew into like love and it was beautiful.

• 35:55Speaker 04

  Can we talk about your kids?

• 35:57Speaker 05

  Please.

• 35:59Speaker 04

  Malibu Barbie. Elvis. And Aquaman.

• 36:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:03Speaker 04

  One could argue they're quite unique names.

• 36:07Speaker 05

  Um, by design?

• 36:09Speaker 04

  My baby's called Ziggy.

• 36:11Speaker 05

  After what? After Ziggy Stardust?

• 36:14Speaker 04

  No, after a place called Ziggy Bay where we conceived him. We had sex there.

• 36:18Speaker 05

  Oh, I, I did, I do love that. We were Maui. And I was like, what if we name our kid Maui? That's kind of cool, but.

• 36:25Speaker 04

  Malibu Barbie, why Malibu Barbie?

• 36:27Speaker 05

  Malibu Barbie was a name. So Malibu and Elvis were both names that I, I've been saying, manifesting if you will, on YouTube, on everywhere. I've been telling everybody that's my kids' names since I was like 12 years old. I'm like, I'm gonna have, I thought it was gonna be twins, Malibu and Barbie. And then I thought I was gonna have a boy named Elvis, but then when my second was a girl, we were done having kids. And I was like, well, we'll just name her Elvis. Cause like those are my kids' names. Like they're, they're always gonna be Malibu Barbie and Elvis. Cause I thought my, I always wanted to name Malibu Barbie as a kid. I was like, that's so cool. And then Elvis, I like loved Elvis. So I was like, well, my son's gonna be Elvis, of course. Like that's, that's done and done. Um, so those were always just the names we had for my kids. I had for my kids.

• 36:58Speaker 04

  And then Aquaman?

• 37:00Speaker 05

  Well, Aquaman was a joint effort. Um, I told my husband, you can name the third baby.

• 37:06Speaker 04

  That's Moses.

• 37:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, Moses. Moses chose Aquaman. And he was like, it was a boy. And I was like, we should name him like Moses Junior. And I had all of my names or whatever, but we, he loves water. My husband, um, that's how he identifies his sexuality, his gender is very, and people think he's joking, but he's not. He really does identify as water. He doesn't identify as like man or straight or any of that stuff like that. He's very fluid. And so he loves water. So he's like, it's gonna be a water name. Um, he had a beautiful poem called The Water Snake that I thought was a great name for our baby, because our baby was born in the year of the snake. Um, so I was like, oh, I love that name. But ultimately it's up to you. And so all our kids have movie posters named after them. So Barbie, Malibu Barbie is Barbie. And then we have Elvis movie poster. And so we're like, maybe we should stick in the same theme of like a water movie. So then we're looking at water movies and stuff like that. And, um,

• 37:50Speaker 05

  he always had an Aquaman theme in his water museum. He does, he does photography. He does, uh, images of water. He like puts them in captures the moment. So his old museum is, is that. And in the museum, he had a whole Aquaman section. And then it popped up actually that I also had an Aquaman phase for a very different reason. I really loved like Jason Momoa. And I was like, I love Aquaman. So I would go to Comic Cons dressed as Aquaman. And anyways, it just kind of thing we had in common. And I was like, are you sure? And then he's like, yeah. And then luckily there was a blonde Aquaman back in the day and my, my baby's blonde. And, um, he kind of looked like the blonde Aquaman. So then we're like, Aquaman it is. He came out with blonde hair.

• 38:24Speaker 04

  Chris, do you, is it, is it, do you call him full name Aquaman?

• 38:27Speaker 05

  We do. We thought it was gonna be like baby Aqua or something, but Aquaman's just so much cooler.

• 38:32Speaker 04

  So you would say Aquaman is breakfast?

• 38:33Speaker 05

  A hundred percent. And my, my kids say it too. So like Elvis is like too. It's like Aquaman, Aquaman. Like he is Aquaman. Yeah. It's, he's, he is Aquaman. He is, it's so cool. And it's like-

• 38:44Speaker 04

  Your baby's a superhero.

• 38:45Speaker 05

  They're, they're a superhero.

• 38:46Speaker 04

  They're all superheroes.

• 38:47Speaker 05

  Can I tell you though? It's like you almost forget what the name came from. My baby girl Elvis is obviously not, nothing like Elvis Presley. And I love that. I think she's like gonna re-change the name. You know what I mean? So I think he's like that with Aquaman too. No disrespect to the superhero.

• 39:00Speaker 04

  But also the internet went crazy because when you had Malibu Barbie, uh, the internet thought it was Queen Elizabeth reincarnated.

• 39:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, she might be. I think that one is real. The other one-

• 39:09Speaker 04

  Can you explain that though? What happened?

• 39:11Speaker 05

  I was so annoyed. This was in my peace era. So this was like before my podcast and I started talking about drama again. This was in my peace era. I was meditating 15 hours a day. I was, I was not creating drama online. I was like, I'm, I was, I was off the drama route for about a year and a half when this happened. And a week before my daughter was born, I tweeted, I'm a centimeter dilated. About a minute later, the news broke that Queen Elizabeth has passed away. And everyone's like, I have no idea where it started from. I did not troll it. My biggest fear was that people thought I started it. And I was like, I am not a troll anymore. Like don't bring my daughter into this. I was so upset about it. Cause everyone's like, Trisha is, is rebirthing the queen right now. And I don't know why it caught on. It was everywhere. Everyone's calling me TMZ. My dad's calling me.

• 39:52Speaker 05

  I shot, I had to shut off my phone again. Cause I was like, y'all, like I'm still pregnant. Like what the hell? And then I gave birth a few days later and people are like, well, her soul can still live on a few days. So people do think that she's the queen reincarnate. I'll take it.

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• 41:18Speaker 04

  What do you think the craziest thing you've done is then?

• 41:20Speaker 05

  Craziest thing ever?

• 41:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:22Speaker 05

  That's the thing. It's like, when I look back on my life, I'm like, it wasn't that crazy. Like, I really don't think it's like that crazy. Um, oh my God, that's a good question.

• 41:32Speaker 05

  I don't know. Again, I lived my life, so I was kind of like, it's nothing. Because also, you have to also know, like, the kitchen floor videos, like, everything is like, everything you've seen online is like in my apartment. Like, you never see me out being a public menace. Like, I did everything inside, which is inside my head, this like mental jail. Like, everything was inside and to myself. So, I don't know if I've ever done anything craze. I don't know if I've done anything crazy.

• 41:54Speaker 04

  No, but it's just, what I also love about YouTube is that, because maybe it's sort of YouTube and stuff like that, you talk what your mind is thinking. It's like really beautiful.

• 42:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, thank you.

• 42:04Speaker 04

  Like, it's really, it's like amazing.

• 42:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:08Speaker 04

  So, what you're thinking is what you'll say. So, when you're doing those videos on the floor, you're actually just, you're going through it, so you're talking it out.

• 42:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, and that's what it was. I had no friends. I had no therapist at the time. So, I think it was just like wanting to like, talk and like be heard. And I think that's what was so beautiful about YouTube, specifically the kitchen floor videos, is like, people listened. People listened and they related and they understood. And, um, I think that was the best part. That was the best thing for me, even though I was like very mentally unwell. It was the best thing for me at the time. What do people think of you now in the UK? Did you have a little bit of a rebranding? Because that was me too. People are like, damn, this is a different Trish than like 10 years ago. Are you like, are people looking at you different?

• 42:45Speaker 04

  I think so. I think what happened was is that, like, so doing our reality show, the currency was drama, right? And I don't like drama. I don't like fighting. I don't, I just don't enjoy it. But you had to do that because it was a food chain, right? So, to be the lion, you had to break up, make up, cause all this stuff. And that's what I was doing. Because also, I'm unemployable. So, I had to make that work.

• 43:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, that's how I felt.

• 43:06Speaker 04

  And so, then what happened was, is when I got to the end of it, which was like late-ish twenties, I was like, I just don't like this version of myself one bit. I had sort of, wasn't close to my family as much. And my friends, I hadn't been the best friend to, and all this stuff. So, I basically had to come out and apologize to everyone. To my friends. I had to say, I'm really sorry for being a bad friend. And I had to go to my parents and say, I'm really sorry. And so, now, for the past 10 years, I reckon is, I've basically tried to like make everything good again. What is your turning point?

• 43:38Speaker 05

  Uh, I mean, I've had a couple of rock bottoms. I've, um, again, a lot of self-inflicted rock bottoms, I suppose. I had one in 2019. I ended up in a mental hospital. And I was like, oh shit, like, you know, I probably should like get this together. I had another one in 2019 where an ex-boyfriend accused me of driving my pink G-Wagon into his house. But I didn't see a police report, so I don't know if that happened. But of course, I was like, well, maybe that happened, because I don't know. Um, and...

• 44:01Speaker 04

  Wait, wait, sorry, sorry, sorry.

• 44:02Speaker 05

  I have a lot.

• 44:03Speaker 04

  Did that happen?

• 44:04Speaker 05

  Um, you know, I believed it for so long. And I talked about it as if it happened for so long. I remember that night a little.

• 44:10Speaker 04

  You said it happened, but it didn't happen?

• 44:12Speaker 05

  Well, I did come to his house. And I definitely was like trying to like break in. And like, I pretended to be dead in his pool. I remember all that. But I don't remember the G-Wagon in his living room. And I'm pretty sure there'd be like a police report or pictures or something, because it was in a prominent area.

• 44:25Speaker 04

  You pretended to not be alive in his pool?

• 44:26Speaker 05

  I definitely was floating in the pool, hoping he'd come out to see if I was alive. But, but I don't think I crashed the G-Wagon, which he's, he was going on podcasts, being like, she crashed the G-Wagon. I was like, maybe I did. It was very bad.

• 44:36Speaker 04

  How long were you floating in the pool?

• 44:38Speaker 05

  I mean, it's probably a few seconds. I don't know if I could hold my breath that well. I was definitely like, under the influence. It definitely was like, I need to get help. It was, it was a, it was a crazy, it was a crazy time. But he did, he did try to like perpetuate my craziness by being like, she crashed into the living room where me and my like kids were in. And I don't know that.

• 44:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, for sure, right? Which I totally get. But what was the moment? Do you think becoming a mom, becoming a parent, getting married was a big turning point?

• 44:59Speaker 05

  I think I had a turn before all that. I think that all fell into place. But I had to like help myself first. I had a psychosis. I only had one psychosis in my life, outside of drugs and alcohol. So, when I was like, not on anything, I had one of the biggest psychotic breaks of my life, which that to me was the scariest, because I was so coherent. I was engaged to my now-husband. And I had just bought a house. Like, everything was going good on paper. So, to have like a psychosis like that, I was like, I need to get something. I need to change something. And I'd been on every medication, every therapy you could do. So, that was kind of like a spiritual awakening for me.

• 45:29Speaker 04

  What happened? Can you talk me through, what happens when you have a, and can you explain what a psychosis is?

• 45:33Speaker 05

  So, it's different for everyone. Um, I, I went into psychosis, and mine was hearing voices. So, I was like hearing voices that were really, really strong. And they weren't intrusive thoughts. They were truly like, um, I don't want to say demonic, but they were, maybe. They were just like voices that were just telling me like, hey, there's the window. Like, that's how you end all this. And I was so wrapped up in social media. So, I was so wrapped up on Twitter. So, I was getting really, the worst cancellation ever, which is kind of crazy, was in 2021. And it was really just because I had a falling out with an ex-podcast co-host. And so, like, of all the crazy rotten things I've done online, this was like the worst cancellation, where people were just coming really strong at me. And there was no ending it. So, I pleaded with my ex-co-host, and I was like, hey...

• 46:16Speaker 04

  What is it? We're sorry. I'm sorry to cut you off. What is that? What happened? What is that? What happened?

• 46:20Speaker 05

  We just had, we ended a podcast. We did for like nine months.

• 46:23Speaker 04

  This is frenemies, right?

• 46:23Speaker 05

  Frenemies, yes. Okay, I didn't know if you know. But it was like this podcast that was pretty big here. And, um, it ended. And, I don't know, we always had fights. That was our whole dynamic. And it ended. And, um...

• 46:34Speaker 04

  Can you say why it ended?

• 46:35Speaker 05

  I mean, you kind of see it on, on the last episode. It's just kind of like, we had a fight. And we always do. It was something like, it was something like not even that crazy. I think we started talking about money. And I was like, I don't get paid enough. And you keep all the highlights. And it was something about money, whatever. We have these fights all the time on frenemies. We had like three major ones. The fight happened, whatever. We went home. He's like, don't worry about it. It's fine, as we normally did. But I think Reddit really was like, we're done with Trish. And I think that's when, um, my co-host was like, we're done with like frenemies. Or like, don't come to the filming tomorrow. We were supposed to film a vlog. And he's like, don't come to the filming tomorrow. And then I felt obviously triggered. And then I was like, I'm quitting frenemies. So, I did like a whole video on it. And then it kind of just ended. So, after I did the, I quit frenemies video, he did, he did a podcast. And that one really annihilated me in the sense that he's like, she wanted the whole crew fired.

• 47:18Speaker 05

  And it was like this whole thing, right? And it wasn't true. That's the thing. I can combat the things I've done, or I don't combat them. I just like own up to it. I'm like, fuck, that was me, whatever. Um, it's hard. You can't combat like lies. So, if he's like, she wanted the whole crew fired, obviously Reddit, everyone's gonna be like, wow, what a bitch. But like, it just wasn't the case. That wasn't true.

• 47:35Speaker 04

  That wasn't true.

• 47:36Speaker 05

  Not at all. It wasn't. I don't even know where that came from. I was like, oh, we should hire, um, I wanted, I wanted one of my gay friends, Oscar, who's my co-host now, actually. I like, I was like, oh, we should hire this guy, whatever. He's like, great. And then that didn't happen, whatever. I just didn't feel like I had people like on my side over there. It's fine. Um, but then he just did this video, which was just like so many lies and all these things. And obviously said, I lied about the sexual assault with the teacher that I talked about on the show. Like, just like really awful things. And every day on Twitter, I was getting justice for, and it was the teacher's name. And, um, it just felt like a lot. So, when that all happened, and he kept perpetuating that, and on Twitter and everything, and just getting thousands a day, just saying justice for this person, and like, you're a liar, like all this. I think, I know that's what sent me. And I, and I begged him...

• 48:18Speaker 04

  It felt like the world was against you.

• 48:19Speaker 05

  It felt like the world was against me. And my safe place was the internet, right? The safe place, I knew I could come to the internet to talk to it. And that was no longer like my safe space. Like, nobody wanted to hear it from me. And so, I begged him. I said, can you please stop? This was three months later, after it ended. And it was still going. And I was like, can you please stop? Just stop?

• 48:34Speaker 04

  That is a long time for it to go.

• 48:35Speaker 05

  It was crazy. It was awful. And he's like, I'm never gonna stop. And you can't tell me what to do. And then that's when I realized, it's never gonna stop. And so, voices kicked in. It's never gonna stop. Like, you, you gotta just go out. And we had a two-story, we just bought a house. It was a two-story window. Like, you gotta just go out that window. Like, there's cement there. Just like crash your head there. And so, and I never had, like, any of these like suicidal tendencies, anything like that. And so, it was like very real, to the point where my, my fiance at the time, my husband now, it was like literally like holding me back. And like, and I kept begging him, like, you know, I'm like, just let me do it. Just let me do it. And he's like, well, I can call the hospital. I can call this. And I was like, no, just let me do it. They're gonna take me to a mental hospital. It's gonna be worse. It's gonna be all this stuff like that, because I've been in mental hospitals and they're horrible. Um, and so, he really

• 49:17Speaker 05

  just kind of held me down that whole night. And I was like fighting these voices in my head. And just like any chance, like he wouldn't let me go to the bathroom by myself, all this stuff. And, and this is sober. And this is in love. And this is all this stuff like that. So, I was like, what the hell? Um, so, truly, the next day, it sounds crazy. And like, I literally started just Googled, like, how to stop hearing voices, how to stop being crazy. Like, that's what I Googled. Because I was like, what the hell am I gonna do? Like, um, it was, it was bad. It was really, really bad. And the voices subsided a little bit. But basically, you know, your first Google search is like, I'm, like, I'm, I'm going through a psychosis and this. It's like, the first thing it tells you is to like, just shut off your like electronics and stuff like that. Like, just shut off your thing. So, I literally just shut off the internet, which is kind of, it should sound

• 50:01Speaker 05

  basic to so many people or like common knowledge. But for me, that was like a lot of the, a lot of the noise. And so, like voices started stopping. And then I, another thing that came up was like meditation, which I've never done in my life before this. But I was in DPT classes, which talked about, um, why is mine and all these things like that. And so, I was like, I'm just gonna go outside and truly be like quiet to myself. I can't talk to my husband. I can't talk to anyone. Um, for, I would do it for 15 hours a day. I would just go out there. And I was just, obviously, the voices are still in your head. So, when you start meditation, so I started doing mantras. I adapted a Hare Krishna mantra. I adapted mantras to like get that out of my head. And so, I really had like a spiritual awakening by just being silent for 15 hours a day.

• 50:40Speaker 04

  Wow, being, being still.

• 50:42Speaker 05

  Being still. And I still, I still work that today when I get overwhelmed. I wish I could, I wish I could meditate for that long now. Um, but being still, like, solved that problem in that moment.

• 50:53Speaker 04

  Trish, firstly, I'm so sorry.

• 50:55Speaker 05

  It was a lot.

• 50:55Speaker 04

  That is a lot. Can I, can I, have you spoken to Ethan since?

• 50:58Speaker 05

  Um, no, no. I, I made a decision also as well to completely stop talking about him, um, then. And I haven't. I haven't talked about him in five years. It's been relentless. On his end, we try to talk through my husband's family because they're related. It's my husband's brother-in-law.

• 51:14Speaker 04

  Well, I know, which must be a lot, right?

• 51:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, so we try to talk through family, but it kind of made it worse. And then he would bring it. My husband's never said anything publicly, but Ethan, of course, would be like, oh, you're like crying to your mom. Like, it just, it just became a lot. And so we, I made the decision to like, stop talking about him. My husband's never talked about them. And the only reason I'm even talking about it now is because like, it was really hard for me. And I just wanna set the record straight. And also, I do wanna move on from it. I mean, it's been five years of relentless, like, I, I don't, I don't talk back anymore. And he knows that. So I think it's been just relentless. It changes, the narrative changes. Oh, frenemies ended because of Moses, because of this. And I've never been able to like, talk about it because I was scared. Like, I mean, he's the only person to have sent me in psychosis with, it'll never stop and it'll never end. And so, not that I blame him fully, of course.

• 52:00Speaker 05

  I mean, it was my own, but there was nothing else. I was in therapy. I wasn't on drugs. I was like, what the hell? Like, I don't want this person to have this power over me. So, um, just over time, too, you just kind of learn to whatever. But I, I, I was, and I don't, and I don't wanna, after, after this book's out, of course, I'm talking about it on these. I don't mind talking about it on interviews now. It's my, like, one chance to do it. But I just also want it to be done because I also don't, I just want it to be done.

• 52:21Speaker 04

  And you don't, and perhaps then you were so scared, anything you said or did was gonna be made into content.

• 52:26Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 52:26Speaker 04

  And you don't want that to happen. And now you're just like, here's my piece, here's my truth.

• 52:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:30Speaker 04

  Then let's do it and move on.

• 52:31Speaker 05

  It might cause another five years of him coming for me, but there's nothing, I promise.

• 52:35Speaker 04

  You're probably in a better place where you can handle that, right? You could be like, okay.

• 52:37Speaker 05

  Better place mentally, but I, there has, he has said so much in the, there's nothing more. I mean, there's just nothing more. You've come for me for my child molestation. You've come for me for my infertility, claiming I lied about being infertile. Like, you've come for me for everything. There is nothing else. My kids, their names, there's nothing else that can, that can come about. There's nothing else. It's all been said, it's all been out there. There's truly nothing else. And, and that I find peace, to be honest, because in the past year and stuff, it's just like, it's just kind of all just bullshit, whatever. And I find peace. It's like, okay, you can keep doing this. I would love for it to stop. I would love for it to stop and just like, call truths. Obviously, you're allowed to respond to this. You've been responding for five years. I would love for it to stop. I would love, I would love just never talk about me again. I'll never talk about, and I've never said that about anyone, right?

• 53:22Speaker 05

  But it's like, truly this person, I just don't, I don't, I just want it to stop.

• 53:27Speaker 04

  Do you think, do you think if he, if Ethan reached out, right? And he said, look, truths.

• 53:31Speaker 05

  We can move forward separately. I would love nothing more than that. We're obviously never gonna be family. We can never. I mean, the things that he said about my husband, my kids, my me, it can never be family anymore, um, for me personally. Um, and, and, but I would love for it to be a truce. I would love for it to be like, he has kids, he has a business, like, just do it in, in tandem. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's just, but my kids will have to see all the stuff he said about my husband Moses. I mean, he told my husband, like, suck my dick, just for simply like, talking to us, like, just horrible, horrible things. And I'm just like, my kids have to see that. And I just don't wanna, so it's never gonna be family. It's, I would just like it for it to be peaceful and just be like, I, I would say up until the end of frenemies, right? During, we were all, we were pretty fifty-fifty toxic.

• 54:14Speaker 05

  In fact, I would take eighty percent of me was toxic. And I get that, I understand that. And we kind of were going around the same path. But it was like, the aftermath of it was insane.

• 54:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:23Speaker 05

  The, those three months that, before my psychosis, insane, but the five years after. And luckily, I have been able to like, find peace and stability and people start seeing through a lot of things. So, but at the end of the day, the internet, the comments, all that stuff doesn't have power over me. If everything goes away tomorrow, like I have Moses. I could delete it. I, I'm now set up where I don't need the internet, like I needed it back then.

• 54:44Speaker 04

  You don't need that validation, you don't need that.

• 54:46Speaker 05

  The validation, even the money, all of that stuff like that. Like, I, I, I wasn't set up like that. I was a really bad, so I'm like, I think now, I'm not scared of things going away. And it's fine if it, if it did all go away tomorrow. Um, I don't want it to, I love it. And Ethan's a very good entertainer and has his fan base. And I don't want him to like, go away either. I just want him to like, leave me alone.

• 55:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, I totally get, first of all, thank you for sharing that.

• 55:10Speaker 05

  Sorry, just a tandem.

• 55:12Speaker 04

  Are you kidding me? Thank you, honestly, I, I appreciate it. Like, it's so, and it's so interesting to hear from like, your side and get into your mind and understand what it's like. Because when the internet does turn on you, it's a pretty scary place. And you've had, you, you, just to go over this a little bit for a second, you had a few times where they call it canceled, right?

• 55:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, oh, I've been canceled five thousand times and nothing was as bad as that. Wait, why did you say it like that? Is it not in the England? They don't have canceled?

• 55:35Speaker 04

  It is, it is, but you seem to bounce back from it every time. And there's, you know, there's been like, a few occasions, we don't really have to go into them. Your life has been on camera, so when you make a mistake, it's for everyone to comment and make a decision on it and all those different things. But you sit there and you go, look, I'm sorry, I made a huge mistake, let's move forward.

• 55:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I, I do love the internet for that, for the accountability, because I just was never taught right or wrong as a child. You know what I mean? And a lot of those things, people won't forgive me for and can't forgive me. And I do not expect it. And I think like, that's the thing that I really want people to know is like, once you make these mistakes or hurt a lot of people, like, that's, that's your reputation for life. It's very hard to walk back. And even though, yes, now people can see that I'm a little bit of a different person, um, they'll always remember that part. And that's totally fine. Like, you know what I mean? Like, there, there was a lot of nastiness that I put onto the world. And that's, that's okay, that's okay. And I, and I realize I'll never be everyone's cup of tea, of course. But, um, you know, it's really, yeah, there's a lot of power in like, taking accountability and saying sorry, which is what I hope a lot of people in the book can understand, too.

• 56:37Speaker 05

  It's like, I feel like I apologize a lot and I never expect apologies back. But I, I think it's frustrating when people can't take accountability, so I like to do it.

• 56:46Speaker 04

  Can I ask you one more thing? On Reddit, it says you have, you have eight to ten headshots that you sign and hand out when fans bump into you. True or false?

• 56:53Speaker 05

  Um, uh, false right now. It was true about a year ago. You could have caught, caught some headshots in my car, but yes, I, because of the.

• 57:00Speaker 04

  I was hoping for a headshot.

• 57:02Speaker 05

  I would have loved to sign one. Because of my book, I've been signing nine thousand copies of my book. So I was like, I, I paused the headshots, but it used to be true.

• 57:09Speaker 04

  And you also, you released a K-pop song earlier this year, right?

• 57:11Speaker 05

  I had two, Saranghae and Panjokseop.

• 57:13Speaker 04

  Man, it's like, it's like, you know, how long did it take you to learn Korean?

• 57:17Speaker 05

  Um, honestly, like a day, well, okay, I don't speak it fluently, of course. But, um, I, my, the songwriter, Alex, he was teaching me as we went. And I picked up pretty quick. I actually pick it up quicker than English. Like, I know those songs better than my English songs, so I, I picked it up a little quicker.

• 57:32Speaker 04

  Who's your favorite K-pop artist?

• 57:34Speaker 05

  Oh, gosh, um, I really like Eric Nam, he's really great. Um, Kevin Ru was in my video with Panjokseop and he is from Yuckiss. And he's one of my favorite. And then my kids loved K-pop, Demon Hunters, that's why I got into K-pop. Because they are obsessed with K-pop. And so, um, I was like, ooh, maybe I should make this kind of music. And then my kids will actually listen to it and they love it. My kids like, love my K-pop music. They've always picked my songs by dancing to them and stuff. They've always, they love, they love the K-pop.

• 57:59Speaker 04

  Can I tell you something? We should start a podcast together.

• 58:02Speaker 05

  Oh, my gosh, could you imagine? I feel like I would, even now, I'm like, what just happened? I feel like it was like a whirlwind, but.

• 58:08Speaker 04

  Can I say, like, I had, I, I interview a lot of people and I love energies and all the, this has been one of my favorites.

• 58:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, thank you. Likewise, I wasn't expecting this. I don't know why I was expecting like.

• 58:18Speaker 04

  Because I'm posh and British, you're like, he's gonna be a prick.

• 58:20Speaker 05

  Like, whoa.

• 58:21Speaker 04

  Just listen, I want everyone to go and buy your book, okay? I'm gonna, we're gonna leave the link in the show, yeah, crying on the kitchen floor. We're gonna leave the link in the show description, go and click on it, go and get it. Just listen, we like to end the conversation with eight quickfire questions. You ready?

• 58:33Speaker 05

  Quickfire? I'm bad at quickfire, but I'll try my best.

• 58:35Speaker 04

  What's a saying or phrase that makes you smile or cheers you up?

• 58:38Speaker 05

  Don't worry, be happy.

• 58:39Speaker 04

  Love it. What scares you most about yourself?

• 58:43Speaker 05

  My brain, my mental illness.

• 58:45Speaker 04

  Best compliment anyone's ever given you?

• 58:48Speaker 05

  I think you told me I was a, I was a fascinating person. You thought I had good energy, that made me feel good.

• 58:53Speaker 04

  Hundred percent. When was the last time you cried?

• 58:55Speaker 05

  Probably my psychotic break in twenty twenty-one.

• 58:58Speaker 04

  That's the last time?

• 58:59Speaker 05

  Probably, I'm not a crier anymore. My tears have all run dry.

• 59:01Speaker 04

  They all just hold there?

• 59:02Speaker 05

  I think so.

• 59:03Speaker 04

  What's something you can't let go of?

• 59:05Speaker 05

  Uh, apparently the past.

• 59:09Speaker 04

  What's your guilty pleasure?

• 59:10Speaker 05

  I mean, probably the Kardashians.

• 59:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:13Speaker 04

  Did you see Kylie walk in the VS show?

• 59:14Speaker 05

  I mean, she looked great, she looked great. They, they kind of annoy me, but I love them.

• 59:18Speaker 04

  They're good.

• 59:18Speaker 05

  And she looked great, oh my God, she looks beautiful. I love, I do love Kylie, I love all them all.

• 59:22Speaker 04

  What's your biggest turn off?

• 59:23Speaker 05

  Liars.

• 59:24Speaker 04

  What's your biggest turn on?

• 59:26Speaker 05

  Truth.

• 59:29Speaker 04

  What do you like most about yourself?

• 59:31Speaker 05

  My ability to say I'm sorry.

• 59:34Speaker 04

  And bonus, what's the one hill you'll die on no matter how petty it is?

• 59:39Speaker 05

  The one I'll die on no matter how petty it is?

• 59:42Speaker 04

  Mine would be that prawn cocktail crisps are the best crisps.

• 59:44Speaker 05

  What did you just say? What? What is a prolonged cocktail crisp? What the fuck is that?

• 59:51Speaker 04

  It's called a prawn cocktail crisp.

• 59:53Speaker 05

  Prawn cocktail crisp, what the hell? Can you explain?

• 59:57Speaker 04

  You know prawns?

• 59:58Speaker 05

  Prawns, no.

• 59:59Speaker 04

  You know, you know what prawns are?

• 1:00:01Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:00:01Speaker 04

  What, do you call it, what do you?

• 1:00:03Speaker 05

  Shrimp, shrimp.

• 1:00:03Speaker 04

  Shrimp, it's like a shrimp cocktail.

• 1:00:05Speaker 05

  You know a prawn, a shrimp?

• 1:00:07Speaker 04

  It's like a shrimp cocktail crisp, they're the best crisps.

• 1:00:10Speaker 05

  Oh, and potato chips.

• 1:00:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:12Speaker 05

  You guys, and the words, the crisps.

• 1:00:13Speaker 04

  So many things about that sentence I did was so wrong for you.

• 1:00:16Speaker 05

  You jogged mine, the one I'll die on is, give me a frickin' washcloth. On Big Brother, they're like, we don't have, we don't, we don't wash our bodies with little tiny pieces of fabric, trying to call them flannels and stuff like that. I was like, where the fuck are the wash? No one in this lovely brother washed their body with cloth. Give me a frickin' washcloth and I will die on that hill.

• 1:00:34Speaker 04

  Just your great company, thank you so much.

• 1:00:37Speaker 05

  That was fun.

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