EXCLUSIVE - MEGAN MCKENNA: My Worst Nightmare Came True

Megan McKenna gave us some of reality TV’s most iconic moments on TOWIE, Celebrity Big Brother and Ex on the Beach. Since then, she’s reinvented herself, building a successful music career and sharing wholesome cooking and lifestyle content enjoyed by millions online. But behind the scenes, Megan has been navigating something incredibly difficult. She was robbed by masked men in terrifying circumstances that left her feeling unsafe in the UK. Megan hasn’t spoken publicly about what happened to her. Until now. She joined me on Great Company for an exclusive conversation about the night her worst fear came true. In this conversation, Megan shares: - The terrifying robbery that changed her life - The lasting impact of trauma and learning to feel safe again - Reinventing herself after reality TV - Her fertility journey and becoming a mum Megan is truly a beautiful soul and I’m so grateful she trusted us with her story. Megan McKenna is Great Company. If you enjoyed the show, you can also follow us: Instagram - @greatcompanypodcast TikTok - @greatcompanypodcast Jamie - @jamielaing And if you've got thoughts, questions and comments, you can email us at: [email protected] THE CREDITS Producers: Helen Burke & Emma Rae Woodhouse Assistant Producer: Issy Weeks-Hankins Video: Joe Ferrari Senior Social Media Manager: Laura Coughlan Audio: Rafi Amsili Geovannetti Executive Producer: Ewan Newbigging-Lister Great Company is an original podcast from JamPot Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  I was robbed really badly in my own home. Woke up to my whole house shaking, like I get goose pimples now thinking about it. They were inside my house, but I locked my bedroom door and there are three masked men with machetes. And they managed to hack a hole in my wall. They were in my house for seven minutes, like seven minutes. It was the longest seven minutes I've ever experienced in my entire life. I was on the phone to the police and they were like, we're on our way, we're on our way. And I was like, no, they're hacking my wall down. That is my biggest fear and it happened to me.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, what, what does it do mentally when you experience something like that?

• 0:35Speaker 00

  Um, well, it changes you forever. Your home is your safe space. That's not my safe space.

• 0:44Speaker 01

  I, I don't have the right words to even.

• 0:51Speaker 00

  It's like almost took that away from me, having this like being at home and being safe with London. Sorry, now I'm really crying. It's something I will work through.

• 1:05Speaker 00

  Hi, I'm Megan McKenna and I'm in great company.

• 1:12Speaker 00

  When I met Ollie, you, you just get a feel who isn't a dickhead. And I had dated a lot, but Ollie doesn't give me a reason. I went away with an ex, something was a bit off. I go down the phone, a picture of her sexy legs and underwear in it mugging me off.

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• 1:29Speaker 00

  Go on. Um.

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• 3:07Speaker 01

  Hey guys, welcome back to Great Company. Okay, we have Megan McKenna. You probably think you know Megan McKenna if you've seen the show she's been on, maybe you like her music, maybe you like her cooking. But trust me, today is totally different. So get ready for this, okay? And before we start, if I can just ask that one favor that I always ask, if you can click that subscribe button, it's completely for free, but it does us wonders I cannot even explain to you. If you do that one thing, I'll thank you forever. Okay, here we go. Enjoy this incredible episode of Great Company with Megan McKenna.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  Ah, yes.

• 3:41Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 3:41Speaker 01

  Thank you, man.

• 3:43Speaker 00

  I don't really do, you know, podcasts a lot.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  Why not? Cause you're, what, cause you're worried about what you're gonna say or what is it?

• 3:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, maybe it's from like being on reality TV for so long. I think I've always been so worried about how people edit me. Maybe that's the thing. I think it's like a thing subconsciously that I'm like, do you know what? I'd rather just not talk.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  I get it, man. I, listen, having done reality TV for so long, you then become such a like control freak over your own life and everything.

• 4:11Speaker 00

  You really do.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 4:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I think that's why I kind of like social so much, like my own, cause I'm like in control.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was just saying to you before, watching your socials is like, it's, makes me feel so good. I don't know what.

• 4:25Speaker 00

  Nice.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, and, and also.

• 4:27Speaker 00

  Why? Why is it like, I don't know, it's weird. I always ask people like, people say I'm therapeutic. I'm like, really? You wouldn't have said that 10 years ago, would you?

• 4:35Speaker 01

  The most, if you haven't seen Meghan's stuff, it's so beautiful. You're always cooking with your son, you're always doing different things. You look like, it's so wholesome and lovely and wonderful and just delicious. I want to be married to you. I want you to be my mother. I want you to just be everything. It's just crazy.

• 4:49Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  What, what was the first thing that you started on?

• 4:52Speaker 00

  What, as in reality or?

• 4:54Speaker 01

  As in reality show.

• 4:54Speaker 00

  Reality was X on the Beach.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  Was it really?

• 4:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. It was X on the Beach and I got that show thinking I was doing this show called, it was called like, Are You The One? It's like a similar show, but not a negative one. It's like.

• 5:07Speaker 01

  So they tricked you?

• 5:08Speaker 00

  They actually didn't tell me what I was doing and I kid you not, gospel truth story. When I went to the airport to go and fly to film X on the Beach, I signed a contract not knowing it was X on the Beach, really. I wasn't allowed to tell my mum or anyone where I was flying to. They told me where I was flying to when I got to the airport and they took my phone off me. But my mum knew it was real because she come to the MTV meeting with me.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  Right, okay.

• 5:32Speaker 00

  You know, she knew it was real, but they said to me it was an ongoing series. You know, I was thinking, is this gonna be more like a Geordie Shore thing like away? And then I'm gonna do loads of series. And I remember thinking, I like, I had like no money and I remember I was like barmaid. And I like was working also in a estate agent job. And I just sacked the estate agent job off. I was like, see ya, like I'm gonna be on TV. And then went shopping with my mum and I was like, can I borrow a thousand pound? I always remember, can I borrow a thousand pound? And I think I got like two grand to do the show.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 6:02Speaker 00

  I was away for a month and I was like, she's like, okay, you need to get it back to me. I was like, yeah, wanna bought loads bikinis, like really nice ones from Victoria's Secret.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  Lovely.

• 6:10Speaker 00

  You know, I was like, yeah, it was like really nice.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Here we go.

• 6:13Speaker 00

  Anyway, I went away and when I got to the airport, I bought a little iPod nano thing with me that you can go onto Facebook with.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, do you remember them?

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:22Speaker 00

  So I was obviously being a little bit tricky and I thought I'm gonna contact my mum on Facebook when I arrive at the next wifi spot. So obviously I didn't want her to be worried. So I got to the next stop and I said, I couldn't even get through to mum. I don't know what happened, but it was some weird way of Facebook on this thing. So I messaged someone to say, can you tell my mum I'm going to Mexico? And when I ring her and I land, you need to, don't say where I've said I am because I'm just gonna say I'm arrived and I'm safe. And she was like, okay. So I landed in Mexico. Uh, the producers are probably gonna watch us like, is she for real? But I got to Mexico, rang my mum, pretended that I hadn't told her where I was. And I was like, hi, I'm here now. She was like, okay, right, love you. I was like, I love you, speak to you in a month.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 7:07Speaker 00

  Put the phone down, got to my hotel room. They obviously took, go through your cases, they took the iPod off me, it's fine. So I thought she knows where I am.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:13Speaker 00

  And then I had to stay in like, in this hotel for like a couple of nights on, on my own with this lady. And there you go, put me in the villa.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  Why do you think you wanted to go and do a show like that?

• 7:23Speaker 00

  Well, I wanted to be a singer.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:26Speaker 00

  And I had no in, no contacts. We were just like normal family, you know, normal jobs. So I thought I'm just gonna get my own way in there. And to be honest, I didn't even apply. They contacted me on Twitter. Yeah, cause I was doing a season in Marbella and they'd seen online that I was like on Twitter at the time that I was a party girl and I was promoting Tebow, this club in Marbella.

• 7:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:52Speaker 00

  So they knew I was like a good laugh.

• 7:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:55Speaker 00

  And that's how I got it.

• 7:57Speaker 01

  Really?

• 7:57Speaker 00

  I met them in a club in London as well.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  And they said, we want you to come do the show, we think you'd be great for it.

• 8:03Speaker 00

  That was my first audition in the club. I did a shot of Jägerbomb before I went in. So classic. Shot a Jäger, I went into the meeting and I was like, boom, I'm getting this show.

• 8:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  So, okay, so, so you do X on the Beach experience? What do you find the experience like it, enjoy it?

• 8:20Speaker 00

  Um, I loved it, I loved it. But the problem is with me is I had just come out of a, of not very nice relationship with a boy that I was so in love with. And he broke my heart a thousand times and cheated on me. And I was in such a bad place where my mum said, you know, this'll be good. You know, me meeting new people and all this. And little did we know, I'm going into X on the Beach. So when I got into there, I think they're trying to be, try to get him on it. He didn't do it. They just brought the girl on that he was shagging, who became my friend and then told me she'd been shagging him. Yeah.

• 8:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, that was the finale. And then put him on a date with the guy I was getting with and they kissed.

• 9:05Speaker 00

  It was a shampoo. But can I just actually give you a little bit of a backstory on why this hit so great? It's a great episode. Now I look back, I'm like, wow, that is.

• 9:13Speaker 01

  That's good, that's good TV, yeah.

• 9:15Speaker 00

  That's great TV and they're, they're proper, you know, sneaky to get her. When I went in for that first day and I had that shot of Jägerbomb, it was the night before, I kid you not, everything happens for a reason. She told me that she had shagged him in my mum's kitchen. No, no, no, she didn't shag him in my mum's kitchen.

• 9:33Speaker 00

  I know, she told me.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  I was like, this is juicy.

• 9:35Speaker 00

  Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, no, she shagged him. She told me in my mum's kitchen.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  She told you in the mum's kitchen?

• 9:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, we were sitting down, we'd just got back from Westfield.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  She said it, she's written it.

• 9:44Speaker 00

  She, she just couldn't hold it in anymore.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  What was your reaction?

• 9:46Speaker 00

  Why you, why have you made friends with me?

• 9:48Speaker 01

  What are you doing?

• 9:51Speaker 00

  I'm like, why have you become a friend to me because I liked you and I, and I couldn't, I got too far being your friend? I was like, this is so fucked, get out.

• 9:58Speaker 01

  When you see old clips of yourself.

• 10:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:01Speaker 01

  What does it make you feel? Do you feel sorry for that person? What do you feel?

• 10:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, I do actually feel sorry for me sometimes, not all the times, I think.

• 10:10Speaker 01

  Could have held back.

• 10:12Speaker 00

  Really? I'm like, did I say that? I, I, I, that isn't even in my brain to say. Maybe it was the alcohol. I do think a lot of it was alcohol.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 10:24Speaker 00

  Back in the day, we was allowed to drink what we wanted, when we wanted. We would get up in the morning, if we wanna drink a beer, we could have a beer.

• 10:30Speaker 01

  Could you do that on The Only Way Is Essex?

• 10:32Speaker 00

  No.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  You weren't allowed to?

• 10:33Speaker 00

  No, a lot of the time to be on The Only Way Is Essex, I wasn't drunk. It's just me. Yeah.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  Because you.

• 10:43Speaker 00

  I wasn't even bad on that show, you know, like when people are like, you's crazy. I'm like, really?

• 10:48Speaker 00

  You're easy, no, yeah.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  Um, because you had a public relationship on that one as well.

• 10:51Speaker 00

  Yes, yeah. And you know what, like Pete?

• 10:53Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 10:54Speaker 00

  We're friends. I'm like happy for him and he's happy for me. And when I see him at events, we say hello and I've I'm always that with with me and Pete, we dealt with something that not a lot of people can relate to.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  Which is?

• 11:08Speaker 00

  Being in the public eye so much, like every single thing, people that are on it understand, but people that are in relationships that aren't in the public eye just don't get it. We couldn't do anything right. And people were really picking holes in us all the time. It was on the show. People were using our storylines for their storylines. And everything was really messy. It was messy, a messy relationship. But we was friends before, we was friends through it. We decided to part ways. It just weren't working.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 11:37Speaker 00

  Because again, there's just no trust there. And I just think we're just was better as friends. We did a show after that together. Celebs go dating.

• 11:45Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 11:45Speaker 00

  Friends. It's nice. I think that's a not, that's a big growth for me as well, because with my other exes, I'd be like.

• 11:58Speaker 00

  Don't talk to him when we're out. You know, I used to be like that. I really did. Whereas now I would never be like that.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  Do you, do you ever think that people may have used you for storylines?

• 12:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  And that must be hard.

• 12:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, I just started to worry about what I was saying, like off camera to people, like to friends.

• 12:15Speaker 01

  Really?

• 12:15Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Because they would then bring it or they would say it or they would use it to say to producers.

• 12:20Speaker 00

  Really like personal things that weren't even on the show, they'd use it.

• 12:23Speaker 01

  That and that then builds the paranoia and then you don't trust people.

• 12:27Speaker 00

  Paranoia, Mrs. Paranoia over here.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, but.

• 12:29Speaker 00

  When I come off of the show, not so much now.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  Really?

• 12:31Speaker 00

  Little bit. If you ask any of my old friends from before or Teddy, they're like, Meghan wasn't like that. It was when I started to get into really toxic relationships. It just sent me loopy, like. And then you get hurt and then you're trying to get yourself out and I'd be hurt and then I'd get into a new relationship, probably not healed from the recent one.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  What do you, what do you like when you're in love?

• 12:53Speaker 00

  I'm all in.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  Really?

• 12:55Speaker 00

  Ollie has it great.

• 12:56Speaker 01

  I can only imagine.

• 12:58Speaker 00

  He does.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  So this, so this person, was this your first love?

• 13:01Speaker 00

  Sometimes I'm like, was it love? Because I don't know. I think so.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Why? Explain. What does love mean to you?

• 13:09Speaker 00

  Well, love, now I've met Ollie and I'm married and and I see the way what we have.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 13:16Speaker 00

  That's love. Because what I had before, you know, it was a little bit.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  It's like obsession.

• 13:27Speaker 00

  Maybe a little bit of that, but also it was just so toxic with cheating and going out. I mean, we was young. And there's only so much you can take as a young girl, like going out worrying all the time, like, is he gonna be of another girl, you know?

• 13:40Speaker 01

  If if you've got, if some young girl's listening now and she feels like she's in that space, what would you say to that person?

• 13:45Speaker 00

  Um, firstly, like they're, they're never gonna change. Sorry. They're never gonna change. Get out now. Because you give them chance after chance after chance. And I've had it with other previous boyfriends and they never change. And also sorry, this is really neggy, but like.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  No, it's fine.

• 14:03Speaker 00

  You can never trust them fully.

• 14:06Speaker 01

  And do you know what? My biggest thing with what what I think creates love is you've got to have respect.

• 14:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:11Speaker 01

  And trust.

• 14:12Speaker 00

  Trust.

• 14:13Speaker 01

  Is everything.

• 14:13Speaker 00

  Then you're sweet.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  Then you're great.

• 14:15Speaker 00

  You have the best life in the world.

• 14:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:17Speaker 00

  Do you know what I mean? Ollie can go out. I'm like, cool. I can go out. Not that we go out.

• 14:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you can, but you can. When you have that trust, you can kind of just.

• 14:25Speaker 00

  I would, I would never go down Ollie's phone. I've been down all my ex's phones. All of them sat in the bathroom, no PIN code.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  Have you had that worst experience when you went on someone's phone and found something? What was it?

• 14:36Speaker 00

  I went away with an ex in Barcelona and um I remembered the code on the safe in the room.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 14:46Speaker 00

  Anyway, I kept that code in my brain.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 14:48Speaker 00

  We get home, something was a bit off. I, you always feel, you know, something's not right. And um he was asleep on the sofa and I thought, you know what, I'm just gonna test this code on the phone. And it was the phone code. Yeah, so I'm in the phone.

• 15:02Speaker 01

  What was the phone code? Can you remember it?

• 15:04Speaker 00

  Oh, I can't remember. I can't remember. That'd be weird if I did.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:08Speaker 00

  Um, no, and um.

• 15:10Speaker 01

  So you got the phone?

• 15:10Speaker 00

  I got the phone and I go down the phone and it is li- when I say a picture of myself on TV sent to my boyfriend with her sexy legs and underwear in it. And they're having a conversation, mugging me off.

• 15:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 15:33Speaker 00

  So that was another really crap time in relationships. I've not had the best ride with relationships.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  How do you trust men? How do you then trust men?

• 15:43Speaker 00

  Um, I didn't. I didn't for a very, very long time.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 15:48Speaker 00

  And I think

• 15:51Speaker 00

  when, when I met Ollie, you just get a feel.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Really?

• 15:55Speaker 00

  You, you just get a feel who is, who isn't a dickhead. And I have dated a lot.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  How do you find that? How does your radar, if your, if your radar is, and I just know this with like so many young women, and there's young men, but let's focus on young women, right? Young women who've been through that, they've been cheated on, they've been um

• 16:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:12Speaker 01

  like disrespected, they've had these things happen to them.

• 16:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:15Speaker 01

  How do they then, their radar doesn't always go to the negative. They're gonna be like this, gonna be this, they're gonna be like this.

• 16:19Speaker 00

  It does look like, it does. But Ollie doesn't give me a reason.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  Really?

• 16:24Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I think that is why we work, because he doesn't give me a reason to feel that way. Or like if he was out, he's calling me or I like what Ollie does with work. I think I like he's got his own thing and it's different. He's in sports, he's into his health. Ollie is very like, we'll go for a coffee, he's quiet, he's got, he likes simple things.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 16:48Speaker 00

  But he likes what I like.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  Beautiful.

• 16:50Speaker 00

  And we get on. We can go for a walk for hours on end.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  And just be mates.

• 16:54Speaker 00

  Four coffees out, yeah, and just chat and chat and chat and have a lovely time and go home and watch. He'll watch Kardashians with me, like.

• 17:02Speaker 00

  My husband watches Kardashians, I'm sorry. You're mine.

• 17:08Speaker 00

  So yeah, he's just not giving me a reason to feel that way. And I think all my other ones always gave me that feeling, that reason. And I had a lot of therapy, to be honest, you know, after a few relationships, I had to have real deep therapy for a long time. And then I had a break. My mom was like, have a break. And I was like, I'm thirty.

• 17:28Speaker 00

  She's like, you've got loads of time. I said, I haven't.

• 17:32Speaker 00

  I need to find a man. She said to me, it will all come at once. I said, really? I swear. She said this to me in the living room. And then it was that Christmas, I wasn't even looking for it and and it just come up with Ollie.

• 17:45Speaker 01

  So you're on a, you're on a dating app?

• 17:48Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 17:49Speaker 01

  A dating app called Rare, which I was rejected from.

• 17:51Speaker 00

  No. Why?

• 17:54Speaker 01

  I think I was too good looking for it.

• 17:57Speaker 00

  I can't believe you're rejected from Rare. Okay, that's really funny. Um.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  So then you, you, you come across Ollie?

• 18:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, I actually come off of Rare because I was filming with it. I was like, I hate you all. Then I went back on it.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:12Speaker 00

  I was actually in Scotland. Ollie's from Scotland. So it's like, it's really weird how these things happen. And I remember I was in the hills in Scotland. I was on tour with, I think I was on tour with Michael Ball and Alfie Bo at the time.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 18:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, so.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  That is so, that's so cool.

• 18:28Speaker 00

  Yeah. And then Ollie pops up and I'm like, okay, you know, I looked at his profile, got cool song, dress is really cool. I'm like, I like this because also I used to date a lot of like Essex people.

• 18:39Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 18:40Speaker 00

  And I um did never wanna date Essex people again, basically. I never wanted to do it again. So.

• 18:46Speaker 01

  So you thought Scottish, this works?

• 18:47Speaker 00

  Scottish. Oh, okay. He, he plays in a German league. This is interesting. He's like, travels a lot. And then, yeah, it's just something really attracted to me, like the way he just held himself through these pictures. I was like, he's interesting. So I went into this date, not overthinking it. And I always used to overthink like, am I gonna marry this person? I swear, like before the date, like, could this work? Like, how's this gonna work? Um, and then.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  Would you sit down and say straight and go, I'm not gonna marry them?

• 19:16Speaker 00

  No, I would just know straight away.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  Really?

• 19:18Speaker 00

  I would just know straight away, yeah. And then I'd think like, oh, let's just have a nice date and then that'd be it.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:23Speaker 00

  But I knew when he was waiting for me at the door and I was a little bit late and he just like turned around to me and gave me this like feeling of, I almost wanted to like hug him. It was like really weird. And I was like, I'm not like that. Cause I'm not really that affectionate out in public.

• 19:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:42Speaker 00

  Anyway, and then I kind of was like, I'm really sorry I'm late. And he was dressed so nice and I was dressed like brilliant. I said, you look lovely. And I was like, I've waited for you. They said to go in, but I wanted to wait. And I was like, that's such a gentleman move. Yeah. And then we just sat down and within the space of twenty minutes, me and him are on our first margarita. He goes to me, what are you doing New Year's Eve? I was like, should I pretend I've got plans? Nothing to do. I was like, well, I might go to my brother. He went, do you wanna come with me to this party on New Year's Eve for my family? I thought he must really like me. So I said, you all right? Oh my God, I'm so keen. I'm such a keen eye. I thought, sod it, I'm just gonna go. And then the date was amazing. Went to a club.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  Apparently you, apparently you um you dared.

• 20:30Speaker 00

  I did.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  You said, I dare you to kiss me.

• 20:32Speaker 00

  I did. I thought, how am I gonna get around this about like, I also like to kiss Tess.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  You do?

• 20:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, cause I think you need to have that connection.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 20:42Speaker 00

  We had such a good kiss, then we was kissing all night. In this, we had this little corner table in this club and we was having the time of our lives. And I just thought, wow, I'm having so much fun, like, this is so fun. Yeah, and then he dropped me home and the rest was history.

• 20:58Speaker 01

  And I heard he proposed after five months of dating.

• 21:01Speaker 00

  I think it's a little bit longer, but no, it was quite soon.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  But you just knew?

• 21:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, I just knew, I had this feeling. And it was really weird how things happened because he was in London in the UK. It was almost like the, like, the world, the universe gave us this time. For him to be in the UK. So I like, was living with him in Canary Wharf and we was just having this like, this bubble relationship that was insane. And then, um.

• 21:27Speaker 00

  Then we went away and he proposed and it was the most, when I say. Incredible, it could have been a wedding. He just went all out.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  It brought me through it, what happened?

• 21:39Speaker 00

  He firstly, he was so clever, cause he knows I love to like, do videos and stuff on Instagram. He bought me an outfit while we was in Canary Wharf. Um, and he got it for me, he showed me it, you know, knew it was a whole little Prada kit set, like, kitted me out of this little Prada set and I was like, oh my god. I've had like a full kit Prada set before, like, this is amazing. And it was all like nylon and he used to wear the nylon Prada and everything. Anyway, so. I uh, didn't realise that was going to be my engagement outfit. He literally was just checking, did I like it? And he said, we're gonna go and do these boat trips and we're gonna have so much fun, like, we should get really cool pictures in front of the mountains. And I was like, yes. I was like, oh my god, this is gonna be so good, I can't wait. And then as soon as we get to Montenegro.

• 22:23Speaker 00

  It was gonna rain and he was stressing on the plane, like, oh, it's gonna rain. I was like, oh, really? He was like, yeah. And I was like, I don't think it's gonna rain all day. And he was like, no, no, it's gonna rain. And. I was thinking to myself, Jesus, all right, like, get over it, okay? Like, we are going for like five days. Anyway, we get there and he takes me down to this boat, this unbelievable like vintage boat on this lake. And we go out, we are out on the boat for two hours. No toilet.

• 22:49Speaker 00

  I'm taking pictures galore, like, can you get a picture of me like this? I'm in my outfit, my Prada, I'm like, oh, this, like, and he's probably sitting there like absolutely bricking it.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:59Speaker 00

  And then, um, he's like, we're gonna go for dinner, we're gonna get off at the port round the corner. So we went round and I said, I'm busting for a wee, I've gotta go a wee. So now I'm going on about, I need a wee, I need a wee, I need a wee. Not that I knew, he had a mic on him. He had a mic on his thing and he had a drone following us on this last fifteen minutes of the journey. And he's like, I think when we get off, there's no toilet, you're gonna have to just go into the restaurant first. I went, no, no, I need to get off and go to the toilet, I swear. And he's thinking, fuck me, mate, I've got fireworks going off.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, this whole thing, man.

• 23:29Speaker 00

  This whole thing. Anyway, we go round the corner and um. This is a part of our story we've never actually told, but I have, we have to laugh about it. I, he's now put blindfold on me. I'm like, oh my god, he's gonna propose.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  So you're, you're like, here we go.

• 23:43Speaker 00

  Now I know. So I've got the blindfold on.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  And what are you thinking? You're like, oh my god, you like?

• 23:47Speaker 00

  I'm like, I can't believe this, but also we've been on this boat for so long, like, I actually didn't, I would not have expected us to then get engaged. So then, all I'm hearing is my song. This, this isn't planned by the way, this is what's funny about it. My song, this, that I sang on X Factor, is blaring into the mountains. I'm like, what is going on? So I'm thinking, is this like a thing for my Instagram? Like, I'm like, now am I getting engaged? Like, what is going on? Anyway. He takes it off. A little did I know, Ollie's going to the people, get, get it off, get the song off. He'd organised a band.

• 24:23Speaker 00

  There's a band standing on the thing on the corner of the beach with our song, like, it's called Forever Ever and Always. But they've decided to take it on themselves to play my song. Can you believe that? And I don't like that.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  No.

• 24:41Speaker 00

  No, no, no.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 24:43Speaker 00

  That is cringe. So I'm thinking, oh, bless him, he's done this to like help my boost on Spotify for my video. I'm like, swear, this is crazy. Anyway. I didn't know, anyway, I took the blindfold off. Now they're playing our song Forever and Ever and Always with the band and I'm like, took my phone off. There's fireworks going off, there's like roses everywhere on this beach, there's a table set up, there's like people with flowers, there's just, honestly, I was like. I didn't even know where to look. I was like, wow. And he got down on one knee and did the whole thing. And I was like, oh my god, I was like, I just couldn't believe it. I was like.

• 25:15Speaker 00

  I can't believe this is happening to me, that you're proposing, like, I can't believe finally even met someone that I love, like, that loves me.

• 25:24Speaker 00

  I was like, wow, this is actually what I dreamed of forever. So, put the ring on. He organised a playlist of all our favourite songs and they sang them live and we like, was on the beach, it was best night. It was the best night ever. He ordered my favourite food, my favourite drinks. And it was just the most romantic thing I've ever experienced, apart from our wedding.

• 25:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  That is.

• 25:52Speaker 00

  I know. And then he told me, so he's like, do you like dinner? I'm like, I love it. And he goes, listen, I've got to talk to you about something. I'm like, what? He went, I did not organise your song to come on. I went, that is, I did think that's a bit weird.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  So how long have you been back in the UK then?

• 26:07Speaker 00

  So I actually live here fifty percent of the time now.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  Really?

• 26:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's a whole different ballgame living in Germany.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 26:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  Well, the language firstly.

• 26:17Speaker 00

  Well firstly, I don't speak German. I understand some German now. Ollie's great, Ollie can speak a bit of German, but. Um, I don't have like my family there and you know what it's like, you need your team around you. And it can be quite hard.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think, do you know, I think that's the hardest thing that I didn't realise when you have a kid.

• 26:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:39Speaker 01

  Is like how firstly, how important family is.

• 26:41Speaker 00

  Really, yeah.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  You don't even realise that.

• 26:43Speaker 00

  I know.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  And also when you marry someone, they've, they've got their family and I love my wife's family more than anything, but also you need your family.

• 26:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  You need that kind of like homebody time and if you're abroad, you don't have that.

• 26:56Speaker 00

  No, literally.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Can I ask, what made you move out to Germany rather than stay in the UK?

• 27:00Speaker 00

  Um, well, obviously, Ollie. Went back to his team he was playing with in Germany, basically, he's playing with Werder Bremen. Um, but we had a incident in the UK. That made me move to Germany full time and I had to get away from the UK because I. To be honest, I don't, I don't talk about this with a lot of people because I was worried and scared at the time because people were in prison for it. Um, and when there was a trial going on, so I wasn't able to talk about it, but I was robbed really badly in my own home. Yeah, and it scared me so much to be in the UK and to live in the UK on my own, cause obviously Ollie's in Germany.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 27:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was terrible. Um.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  What happened?

• 27:46Speaker 00

  Well, it's just, it's a, it's a really weird one, cause I never talk about it.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 27:51Speaker 00

  Cause obviously I've been scared, but now I feel like it's been two years. It was basically just after I got engaged. And we come back from Montenegro, it was the most insane trip and everything and it was just, I was on this huge high and Ollie had to travel back the day we landed, the day after we landed. You know, we're on such a high of getting engaged and I drop him to the airport, I get back about six P M, so you park the car, go in. Get myself ready for bed and I remember I had, like, I was sitting on my landing on my own and, um. I was chatting to Ollie on FaceTime and I was like, oh, I'm a little bit nervous, you know, cause the whole world just found out, we just got engaged and I was obviously on my own and. You obviously, you kind of worry about things happening to you, but then you think surely it's not gonna happen to me. And then I just went to bed at eleven P M and I had a terrible headache.

• 28:36Speaker 00

  So I took tablets, quite strong Neuraphin tablets, and then I went to bed, I put the aircon on, cause I, it was hot, it was like July or something. And then I put a podcast on. Catherine Ryan's podcast, I remember listening to it. And then I must have fallen asleep within the first fifteen minutes. Like, I woke up to my whole house shaking. And I just couldn't, I was in such a disorientated mess. I was like, what, and then I just knew. That I knew it was happening to me and I was like, oh my god, like, I get goose pimples now thinking about it, like. They were inside my house, but I lock my bedroom door every night because I always worry about something happening to me when I'm on my own. Um.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 29:19Speaker 00

  The next thing I know, my mirror has come off my wall and they're hacking a hole through my wall with a baseball bat. Yeah, and they're three masked men with machetes and baseball bats and they managed to. Hack a hole in my wall, cause it was a fake wall going on to my dressing room linked to my bedroom. The hole was like this and they've demanded everything I had on me. Cause obviously, they were gonna get in and harm me and if my door wasn't locked, actually, they probably would have woken me up and probably killed my dog. Like, I was more worried about my dog getting killed than anything, but I was on the phone to, to police and they were in my house for seven minutes, like, seven minutes is. It was the longest seven minutes I've ever experienced in my entire life. And the police were saying to me.

• 30:05Speaker 00

  Don't speak to them. And I said to them, like, have they got weapons? I said, I can hear they've got weapons, they're hacking my wall down. And they were like, we're on our way, we're on our way. And I was like, no, they're hacking my wall down. And they were like, please don't talk to them. I said, if, if I don't go and talk to them and ask them what they want, they're gonna come in and kill my dog. Honestly, like, they were like, this girl must be crazy. So I went over to them, I was naked.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Oh, Megan.

• 30:26Speaker 00

  He's seen me naked. I was talking to this man in the balaclava and he grabbed my hand and he took the jewellery off of me. Now, I actually was holding hands with the robber. And they had a conversation outside the wall and they'd made a phone call and I was shaking, I'd cut my foot, there was blood everywhere, it was like a bloody murder scene. And then I'm standing naked. And uh, they just left with nothing, with nothing else. So they come for one thing and one thing only, it was obviously targeted. I know. And it was, then I was like, I'm not safe in my own home. I didn't wanna, I didn't go back to that home. And then I, um.

• 31:06Speaker 00

  Obviously, the, the police and everything were, were amazing at the time, but I was then going through I V F to have land and. And they wanted me to go on trial and I just said to them, like, I actually can't physically go through it. They got caught and then they went on trial and then a year later they just got let out. They're just roaming the roads.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  Man.

• 31:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 31:31Speaker 00

  So I moved to Germany full time.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  I am so sorry, buddy. I, I don't have the right words to even.

• 31:40Speaker 00

  It was honestly like, it was horrendous.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  It's like you're in hell.

• 31:43Speaker 00

  It was honestly like my biggest, that is, that is my biggest fear and it happened to me. And I always think now, like, my whole life now is different because of it. I'm really, really a nervous person when it comes to like going to bed at night.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  Are you really?

• 31:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, like it's really taken over my life and I'm actually in trauma therapy for it and I have, I've had therapy for it through the police, actually. I had trauma therapy straight away. But now I'm actually going into it again. And to be honest, I've only just really opened up to my, some of my friends about it and they're always like, I feel really bad leaving you at night. I'm like, no, it's fine. I've got Landon, I have to be a big girl.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:20Speaker 00

  But Landon sleeps in the room with me and that's why.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Really?

• 32:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Uh, what, what, can you?

• 32:28Speaker 00

  Can't have him in his own room, can't.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  You can't do it?

• 32:30Speaker 00

  No, can't do it. It's a, it's a problem that I have to deal with, but it's something I'll get over in time, but.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, but Megan, it's not a problem. It's what you need to do to make, like, the most important thing I think about any mum is to make sure that you feel comfortable and safe. If you feel comfortable and safe, your baby's gonna feel comfortable and safe, right? If you want to sleep with your baby

• 32:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  wrapped in bubble wrap with you because it makes you feel better, fricking do it. What, what does it do mentally when you experience something like that?

• 32:54Speaker 00

  Um, well, it changes you forever.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Really?

• 32:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, because you've got to think like your home is your safe space. Do you know what I mean? And I'm like, obviously, that's not my safe space. Do you know what I mean?

• 33:10Speaker 01

  Hmm. Buddy.

• 33:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's hard, but.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  Are you okay now?

• 33:16Speaker 00

  I'm all right, yeah, it's just.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  Can I give you a hug? I wanna give you a hug. Oh man, I am so sorry, cause that is so terrifying.

• 33:26Speaker 00

  It's obviously like taken over my life a lot.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's so brave of you to talk about it. Like, honestly, you kidding me? It's like, no, cause Meg, I can't even like.

• 33:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  It's also, we all have our immense fears, right? And I can imagine if we spoke to anyone in this room or anyone who's listening right now, that's up there with the fears and when it actually happens to you as an individual.

• 33:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's just annoying that it happened before Landon. It's like almost took that away from me having this, like, being at home and being safe with Landon. Sorry, now I'm really crying.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  Oh buddy, don't worry, it's so okay, it's okay.

• 34:03Speaker 00

  It's just, um, it's something I will work through. But it's something that like, it's really weird. It's like these things get thrown at people, obviously you just have to handle it. But I always said to my mum, why do these bad things happen to me? It's just annoying because obviously I'm not in a normal situation. Ollie is abroad.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 34:21Speaker 00

  And I don't have that comfort of going home to Ollie every night. So like, I'm the one that's in charge at home, so. Yeah, it's, it's difficult, but it happened and thank God I'm okay. It could have gone a lot worse. You know, if I didn't have that lock on my door, they could have, you know, I don't even like to think about it, but they had weapons for a reason. But it does scare me that obviously they're just there, out there.

• 34:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  What did, what was Ollie's response?

• 34:53Speaker 00

  Ollie was, to be honest, I didn't even ring him that night, cause it was the day before he started, um, the new season, yeah. I didn't ring him that night, so I thought, what is the point? I can't ruin his, like, he was going back into his team, he was in a good spot. So I obviously had my mum. I drove to my mum's, obviously my mum picked me up, she comes to my house, obviously, and the police were obviously at my house all night guarding the house, cause obviously everything was smashed up and.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  And the police were good?

• 35:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, they were good, yeah, like, you know, it's, they've done what they can, but you know, there's only so much they can do.

• 35:25Speaker 01

  Have you, do you know what, there's a, there's this amazing therapy called EDMR.

• 35:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think this is what I'm starting.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  I, it will change you.

• 35:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  I'll tell you my experience, right? I, I went through, I went through something which was nowhere near as bad as that, but I went through something and by the way, trauma works in really strange ways.

• 35:40Speaker 00

  It really does.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  Um, and I had a just, I, I went through an experience which was really quite hard, like emotionally for me. And I went to a therapist, I said, I still, I just don't feel great. And she was talking to me and she said, look, I think you have PTSD from this event. And I went, really? Like, it doesn't feel that, I didn't go to war, I, I didn't go what you experienced, I don't think it's bad. And they said, the way you're describing it feels that way. Um, will you do this thing called EDMR, right? Anyway, with EDMR, what happens is this, is that it basically helps you process the trauma. It came from this person, if my limited knowledge is where, um, her daughter died. Right? And she couldn't process the trauma of it. And what she would do is she would sit, she would sit there and she'd watch these swings going back and forward and her eyes would move.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  And EDMR, basically, when you could fall asleep, your eyes move from left to right because it helps you process the day. When you go through a trauma, you don't process it. You basically, your body protects yourself, so it sits there. So you have to process it. EDMR is these two things that vibrate and you basically, you talk through what happened.

• 36:40Speaker 00

  This is what I'm about to do.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  It's hard.

• 36:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:42Speaker 01

  But you go back to the moment.

• 36:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  When I did it, I thought it was woo-hoo, I was like, this doesn't work, whatever. After about six sessions, it like, was so overwhelmingly like.

• 36:56Speaker 00

  Really?

• 36:58Speaker 01

  It like made me process the whole moment. So you'll do this and it will just help you through everything, I promise you. It's incredible.

• 37:05Speaker 00

  That's amazing. Yeah, she did explain, cause obviously I have someone that I've been seeing, but we haven't started this yet. She mentioned about this that she feels will work for me.

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• 38:52Speaker 01

  When did you decide to get pregnant?

• 38:55Speaker 00

  We decided, so after we got engaged, listen, I've done my party days.

• 39:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, same. Don't worry about that. We've had that time.

• 39:03Speaker 00

  I've had it hard.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, we don't, you know what, those hangovers, I don't need anymore.

• 39:08Speaker 00

  I don't need it, I don't care, don't care about them. Um, when I met Ollie, I was like, okay, I don't wanna mess around here. Like, I wanna have a baby with you. And he's like, I wanna have a baby with you. I'm like, great, okay. So naturally, you know, we're just doing our thing. And then it just, nothing was really happening for a little while. And I was just thinking, well, it's only been like, I don't even know how many months it was, like, three or four months, I don't know really to the exact, but. I'm not doing the ovulation things. I'm like, I'm in the right time, this should be happening, what's going on? Something didn't, it just felt a bit off.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 39:44Speaker 00

  So I went to get checked, as you do, and I wanted to freeze my eggs, have, to have this backup. So when I got there and I said to the lady, like, what I wanna do and stuff, she scanned me and she said, your womb lining is really thin. And I was like, oh. And then, you know, I had, went through to a consultant and then I got checked and everything and it, um, I had to have something put in my body to make my womb lining thick enough to basically hold an embryo. So what was happening is, you know, I could be doing it for as long as possible. I might have been doing it for a whole other year. I would never have got pregnant because my womb lining was too thin, it was too weak.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 40:24Speaker 00

  So when I found that out, I thought, oh, okay, so I'm going through the process now of like all the injections and everything to get my womb lining thicker. But then I also said to the man, I wanna freeze my eggs. He said, you should freeze your embryos because there's more chance in your embryo surviving than your eggs. So I went through the whole process of, and it's really intense.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:42Speaker 00

  Real intense doing, uh, it's not IVF, yeah, I had, we actually ended up having ICSI, it's when they put the sperm into the egg actually on the side. And we had like sixteen eggs that thawed amazing, like really high grade something. But then when it went through to putting them with the sperm, like literally just two worked, two. And I was like, how have all these, all these months? I was in hospital for a week because I got RHSS, which is overhypoximination of your ovaries. It's really dangerous when they rupture. So I was being monitored and oh my god, the pain, it was just, it was awful. I felt like I was six months pregnant. I was nothing in my tummy. It was just, my ovaries were like huge.

• 41:25Speaker 00

  Like they scanned them and was like, whoa, you need to be admitted to hospital. This is dangerous. So all of this time. And then we found out we had two. I was like, oh my god, I don't think I'm going through that again.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 41:37Speaker 00

  So I had to wait a little bit of time to let my body calm down because I'd had this situation. And then we had London put in, worked straight away because there's nothing actually wrong with my insides.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 41:48Speaker 00

  It's just the outsides that needed to be fixed.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  You know, it's, eh, when life is weird, right? Because you go through this whole time saying, don't get pregnant, don't get pregnant, don't get pregnant. And then suddenly you're like, we've got to get pregnant now. And loads of people, and I have a lot of friends, getting pregnant is actually much trickier than we actually think.

• 42:06Speaker 00

  So hard.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  I, you know, it's so hard. There's complications. There's so many things that go on. And it, it takes a toll on you physically and emotionally, doesn't it? Emotionally, how, how, how did you handle that?

• 42:17Speaker 00

  Um, well, in, yeah, it was, it was hard because I'd just been robbed. Yeah. So the stress was really on top of me. So I was going through therapy and I was also going through a lot of, um, pregnancy acupuncture to calm my body and just to get my body like ready to have all these injections because I didn't want it to stop what I was doing. Like I wanted to still go through with the process, even though this had happened to me. But maybe me getting ill with the RHSS happened for a reason because it kind of delayed me falling pregnant. Things happen in a funny way. When it did happen, I felt like I was in a bit of a better place.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  You know, you and Ollie went through so much in such a short space of time. You're getting, you meet, you get engaged.

• 43:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  The robber, robbery happens, the pregnancy happens. How do you think that changed your relationship?

• 43:11Speaker 00

  Um, it did put pressure on. I mean, Ollie, yeah, it did. We, we say it now, like, god, how did we even get through it? Because the only topic of conversation is like, I'm scared, you know, at night and, oh, I really want to get pregnant and, oh, okay, it doesn't, you know, it's, it really takes over. And then it's like falling pregnant goes from being really excited to like, oh, we're gonna do a nursery, what we're gonna do, and what should we call him to why it's still happening now? Why now? Like, do you know what I mean? My body needs to be relaxed and I was so not relaxed.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  And then you start to freak out what that does and everything, yeah.

• 43:50Speaker 00

  Then you're like, all right, okay, it's not gonna work. Then you're like reading the forums, like, oh, honestly, when I had the embryo put in, mate, I was a psycho. I was like, I am not lifting a thing. I always go Tesco, I'd carry a bag and I'd feel like a little twinge and I'd ring my mum. Something's wrong. She'd be like, just chill out, it's not wrong. Like, my mum is my rock.

• 44:07Speaker 01

  Is she really?

• 44:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. I call my mum for everything.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  What's her name?

• 44:10Speaker 00

  Tanya.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  Tanya, shout out Tanya.

• 44:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. She, I call her for anything.

• 44:16Speaker 01

  Really?

• 44:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  What's the most amazing thing about Tanya?

• 44:20Speaker 00

  She, oh, she, she just knows how to make me feel at ease if I'm in a stressful situation or worrying.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  She has that language, really?

• 44:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, she just puts it into the right way in my head for me. Yeah. Look, don't get me wrong, have a lovely life. I'm so appreciative of it, like with Ollie, we have like two homes now. I go to Berlin, I'm back here, it's cool. But even that, like, the, the flying, you know, I've got all the bags, the pram, London, everything, I'm dripping with sweat at the airport. And then bless my mum, she always picks me up, she helps me and she flies to Germany when she can. But, you know, everyone has their own lives as well, everyone's working. Um, it's just, it's intense. It's something I didn't think was gonna happen when I had a baby, but it happened. Like, you'd never know what's gonna happen with football, so I kind of just had to go with it. But it's definitely not what I thought was gonna happen when I had a baby.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  I think people forget, right? When you marry a sportsman.

• 45:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  Firstly, there's a lot always up in the air. Everything's always changing. And as their partner, you kind of have to follow where it goes, unless you don't follow where it goes, but you kind of have to do that.

• 45:23Speaker 00

  You have to or you've got no relationship. But this is where I'm at now, is, Ollie's very supportive of what I do. I'm very supportive of what Ollie does. But I've moved with Ollie like three times. Actually, when I first did the move as well, I was like eight months pregnant and it was really intense. And then we was also building a home in the UK at the same time. So we had two different homes. And look, I know this is like, what's something called when they say?

• 45:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, first world problems. I totally get it. But it's, but it's, but it's your reality, right? And it's a lot.

• 45:50Speaker 00

  It's a lot when I'm there on my own.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  And trust me, I've, I've, I've renovated, I've moved, I've had a baby.

• 45:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, you get it.

• 45:57Speaker 01

  I get it. Moving country with a baby, not being settled.

• 46:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 46:02Speaker 00

  No, I was literally on a mattress in this apartment in Germany and I was eight months pregnant. I had to get down and up on this mattress. I was like, Ollie, we need to get the bed. And he was like, it's not coming for like another few weeks. And then my mum was like, just don't move that much before, just because I want to come out for when you have the baby. And I'm worried you're gonna go into labour on your own in Germany. And Ollie was away and doing away games and I was on my own, heavily pregnant.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 46:26Speaker 00

  And I was like, this is actually crazy. If I go into labour right now, I'm genuinely on my own, like genuinely on my own. And

• 46:34Speaker 01

  You don't speak the language?

• 46:35Speaker 00

  Don't speak the language. I, I literally had to have on my phone the area I was living in, obviously the, because it's not the same nine nine nine.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:44Speaker 00

  And then I, we was near a hospital, so I knew where that I would have to go if I needed to go hospital. I had to think of all these things, do you know what I mean? And even when I had London, um, I had to have like all the instructions on my phone when Ollie was away, just in case something happened. And I didn't know what to do because I had no one to call. So like, you have to think of all these things when you're, when you're abroad, living abroad, do you know what I mean? But I do know like certain words in German now, have to.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  Like what?

• 47:09Speaker 00

  God, don't ask me.

• 47:12Speaker 00

  Thank you, bye, I'm sorry. Um, no, like the gist, I understand the gist of things when they talk to me.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  So, so talk me through this experience, right? So you're out in Germany.

• 47:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  You, you, you give birth. That's a wild thing in itself.

• 47:26Speaker 00

  Wild. I had a C, a C-section, so.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  Planned or unplanned?

• 47:30Speaker 00

  I had to have it planned because obviously if it wasn't, and I went, had an actual birth, like potentially Ollie wouldn't have been there. So I would have been on my own. So I had to plan it. So I had a C-section so he could be there. Yeah. And then obviously some of my mum could be there. And to be fair, I quite liked that because I like had control of it. And I think again, it goes back to like not having control back in the day and having my own control now. And I think in a weird way, I kind of liked that I was having a C-section, plus London was huge.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  How big?

• 47:59Speaker 00

  Nearly ten pounds. He came out, I was like, I was expecting some teeny thing on my chest. He's huge across my shoulders. I was like, this is crazy. But he was big. He's a big boy now. Yeah. So thank god.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  Wow. And so, and birth experience, you, you enjoyed? Scary?

• 48:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was okay. Like, the care out there is insane, I can't fault it. And I feel like I actually got po- possibly better care where I was because our room was like a hotel room. That is just incredible. The hospitals are incredible in Germany.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  Do you know what, Megan? We, we had when, so when Sophie didn't want to have a planned C-section, right?

• 48:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  When we were in there, everything changed and suddenly it was a C-section. And watching Sophie go through that.

• 48:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  And experiencing the whole situation again, I was in bits. I was like, this is crazy, like what's happening here? And watching Sophie stay so calm, I imagine you would have just been that rock solid, like, right, here we go, we're going for it.

• 48:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:56Speaker 01

  It's in, it's unbelievable.

• 48:58Speaker 00

  There's just no way out. Like, I even did think when I was going into the theatre room, Ollie wasn't allowed in with me. Um, I had to go in and have the epidural on my own and stuff. And obviously they were speaking German. It was quite scary because they, they were really lovely. They kept like rubbing my arm and that. But like, you know, they're speaking German to me. And I was like, um, thinking, oh god, there's actually no way out here. Like, this is it.

• 49:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have to go for it.

• 49:18Speaker 00

  He's got to, he's got to come out. So I'm like, have to just brave this, do it.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  When London was first born, what are you, what emotions are you thinking? What is that moment like for you?

• 49:30Speaker 00

  It was really weird because it's like you don't know them, but you're like, you're like, you've just come out of my body. And like, he's just, his little face and everything. And I was just looking at him like, to be honest, I was just kind of like looking at him up and down, like, oh my god, is everything okay? Like, you know, you're like looking at them, like, is everything okay with them? And

• 49:49Speaker 00

  I just, it just, honestly, I swear, like, I just felt so natural. I, I was like, it was like I was a mum already. It was just like, I just knew how to hold him. It didn't feel alien to me. It's just the weirdest experience. Like, they just come out of you and then you're there, they're there.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  And then they're there.

• 50:07Speaker 00

  And it's like they've always been there.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  And becoming a mum, the pressure of becoming a mum and making sure everything's, it's a lot, isn't it?

• 50:12Speaker 00

  It is a lot. It's a lot in a foreign country as well. Yeah. I, I just think if there was anything I could change, it would be being around my family as well.

• 50:23Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 50:24Speaker 00

  Ollie had to go in the next day.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  That is.

• 50:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, no, they didn't get no, no time off.

• 50:30Speaker 00

  He's like, okay, I'm gonna go now. But I'll come, obviously he'll come back in the afternoons.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  But where are you at now? So what's happening?

• 50:36Speaker 00

  So we have a home now in the UK, made life a lot easier. But then basically me and Ollie have a relationship on FaceTime.

• 50:44Speaker 00

  Because otherwise we wouldn't have a relationship. So FaceTime is a big part of our world.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  And, and can I ask with you and Ollie, because you have this sort of distance, as you said, you love FaceTime, you have this long distance relationship. Someone listening now, who is experiencing the same thing, maybe their partner's way due to work, what advice would you give that person to keep it working?

• 51:04Speaker 00

  You have to keep, you know, you have to like almost, even though you're not there, you have to kind of talk as though you're there. Like, you know, when I do like London's bath time, Ollie's up on the phone on FaceTime. Like, I have him involved because as soon as you just stop that and you start, life can, you know, go quick and you forget things. And then you're like, oh, I've not called. That's when it starts, it can go bad. You need to keep them involved. Um, also, it keeps the relationship fresh. You know, when you, you miss each other and you see each other, it's nice.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  It's good, right?

• 51:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe Sophie and I need to miss each other. A little bit.

• 51:42Speaker 00

  It's nice to miss sometimes, yeah.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  Because what I think what happens when you're Sophie and I spend so much time with each other. When we do get to that moment, it's a bit like, ah, so buddy.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Ah. You're gonna.

• 51:57Speaker 00

  No, I feel that as well. I feel that as well. We and Ollie have been there too. It's like, because when you're like.

• 52:01Speaker 01

  When you catch each other's eyes and you're like, you're my friend. When all's about to end, I laugh, this is weird now.

• 52:09Speaker 00

  I feel you, I feel you, trust me.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  As reality starts, right, people put us in boxes. And they say you can't step outside of this lane. And in life, I sometimes think people say, you've got to stay in this lane because that's where we think you are. I love it more than anything when I watch people, people I know, people I care about. Absolutely killing it.

• 52:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:29Speaker 01

  And stepping out of that place where people go, you can't do that because you did a reality show, because you did Made in Chelsea or whatever it is. And your music career is just going from strength to strength to strength because you never take no for an answer. You want to do it and you have this incredible talent.

• 52:42Speaker 00

  Thank you. See, my plan was to obviously get into the reality world to then become a singer. I actually have made becoming a singer a lot more harder for me.

• 52:49Speaker 01

  I get that.

• 52:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I have been put into a box, not just reality, as crazy. And it's only, I would say it's only been the last five years. I would say I've just been started to be taken seriously.

• 53:04Speaker 01

  Really? And what does that mean? When do you, why, what do you feel that suddenly shifted? What was the moment that shifted for you?

• 53:09Speaker 00

  Because I think once I had Landon and I went to Germany and it was just me at home in Germany and I started to feel myself at home. Real, just natural, raw content. I think people started to realise, oh, she's actually normal.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  So when can we expect new music?

• 53:27Speaker 00

  I can't even give you a date, but I would be hoping for the end of this year. Yeah. And I really want to like do this right.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  Have you, so have you made some?

• 53:37Speaker 00

  Oh, I've made loads.

• 53:38Speaker 01

  Is it good?

• 53:39Speaker 00

  I write all my own music. I co-write with people, real amazing producers that write with everyone and it's, I'm really, you know. I feel like I've worked my way to be able to be in the room of these people and they believe in me. They know I'm like, I am a singer and I can write my own stuff and I can perform and I can do all this stuff. Like, it's not easy writing a song, do you know what I mean? And just to go in there and be creative and stuff, that's another place where I'm really happy. And now I have so much to write about.

• 54:08Speaker 01

  And, and being sort of a country, that sort of country singer, right? What I, what is, country for, for some reason is this genre that is just like.

• 54:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:18Speaker 01

  It's, it's beautiful.

• 54:19Speaker 00

  It's unreal.

• 54:20Speaker 01

  And country is in itself because you don't, doesn't matter who you are, where you're from, what your age is, what you look like.

• 54:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:28Speaker 01

  Doesn't really have boundaries like a sort of pop star has or other ones that, you can kind of be anyone and go and do it, which I love about it. What artists have inspired you?

• 54:38Speaker 00

  God, there's so many. Um, Carrie Underwood massively because she come from American Idol. And I liked that she was from a reality show and you would never think of her as a reality show winner.

• 54:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:51Speaker 00

  Um, she inspired me a lot back in the day, but then there's also artists now that have like blown up that I've loved for a long time. Like there's Elainie Wilson, Ella Langley.

• 55:01Speaker 01

  Ella Langley is so good. Come on, baby.

• 55:03Speaker 00

  I mean, I love it. I love it.

• 55:05Speaker 01

  Come on, baby.

• 55:06Speaker 00

  I know. Do you know, I actually performed with Riley Green, who sang the song with her, You Look Like You Love Me, on, on his UK tour.

• 55:13Speaker 01

  Have you, have you heard, I think it's Ella Langley's remix of, um, is it Bed of Roses?

• 55:19Speaker 00

  I can't, I don't know.

• 55:20Speaker 01

  Oh my god, I've got it live.

• 55:21Speaker 00

  Oh, I have to listen to it, probably, probably. Yeah, I love her. She's insane. But I'll watch her journey and I see all her videos and I'm just like, wow, like we are all in it the same way, like fighting. And it's just that one song.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  That makes you.

• 55:35Speaker 00

  You just need that one song. And obviously I'm with a completely different team now. I've been through, you know, years and years and years of, like, I've had times when I've been on the phone to like management on my old label, crying down the phone, like. Why is this not happening?

• 55:51Speaker 01

  I think everyone gets that point, right? There's always that thing, you get to that point where you're about to give up. Because you don't think it's going to happen. At the point of giving up is when things start to happen.

• 56:00Speaker 00

  It's so true.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  Without a doubt. And it's, and I see it so many times with founders, with musicians, with artists, with athletes. They're just like, this is tough. I just can't be bothered. And you just have to keep.

• 56:11Speaker 00

  But the ones that make it are the ones that never give up.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  Never. You never give up.

• 56:15Speaker 00

  You can never give up. And listen, I've taken a few years off. I've had Landon, I've had my time. I've actually like had to really get my head around a lot of things, as you know.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:23Speaker 00

  And I think this year has been my time now. Fresh start, new team, I'm married, I've got a baby. I look at life so differently since I've had a baby and having Landon, literally waking up to Landon every morning is the best thing ever in the world, as you know. So I'm like, okay, you know, let's just, let's roll with this. If it's gonna work because I'm still here and I'm sticking to it. But at the end of the day, like, I have this other huge thing to, to think about in my life. So I think it helps with my head with things.

• 56:55Speaker 01

  Do you ever sing to Landon?

• 56:57Speaker 00

  Always, every day.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Do you know I sing to my baby?

• 57:00Speaker 00

  Do you?

• 57:01Speaker 01

  Five little ducks went swimming one day.

• 57:04Speaker 00

  I actually see this video.

• 57:05Speaker 01

  Over the hill and far away.

• 57:08Speaker 00

  It's actually quite good. It's actually quite good.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  What do you sing to Landon?

• 57:13Speaker 00

  We actually like to sing a little bit of Ella Langley, me and Landon.

• 57:15Speaker 01

  Do you really?

• 57:16Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I actually used to play Landon Taylor Swift when I first had him, I know. He came to a Taylor Swift concert with me at my tummy.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  That Taylor Swift concert was the greatest thing.

• 57:26Speaker 00

  Insane.

• 57:26Speaker 01

  It was one of the greatest experiences I've ever had.

• 57:29Speaker 00

  How did I not even say her name? And you said, who inspired me? Taylor Swift.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  Also, we haven't even touched on the fact that you can cook so amazingly.

• 57:39Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 57:39Speaker 01

  It like honestly, and I want to encourage anyone to do it. If you guys want some wholesome content, some beautiful content, or just know how to cook some most delicious things, go on to it. I think you do, you do a dish pretty much every night.

• 57:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, always.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  Every night?

• 57:53Speaker 00

  Always. That's what I'm eating for dinner.

• 57:55Speaker 01

  Do you, but it's every night?

• 57:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  It's, I mean, you've done this for, and how many cookbooks have you done now?

• 58:01Speaker 00

  Two cookbooks.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  Amazing.

• 58:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're great. Gluten free cookbooks.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  It's so good.

• 58:05Speaker 00

  Landon eats what I eat now, so it's easier. Whereas before I had to make him baby food and then me, but I love it. And he loves food and I love food and we sit and we eat together and it's great.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  Honestly, you, you are, you and, I know we don't have too much time. Before we go, I want to play a quick game with you.

• 58:20Speaker 00

  Go on then.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  Are you ready for this? I'm gonna read you a line and you have to try and guess.

• 58:24Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  Which TV show it's from.

• 58:26Speaker 00

  Oh, god.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  Are you ready for this?

• 58:29Speaker 01

  Hold my drink before I do something stupid with it.

• 58:32Speaker 00

  X on the beach.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  Towey.

• 58:34Speaker 00

  Really? Put my bad on that one.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  She needs to calm the fuck down because I'll go ham on that bitch.

• 58:40Speaker 00

  X on the.

• 58:42Speaker 01

  It's unbelievable.

• 58:45Speaker 01

  I've had enough, I'm starving. Let me in, I'm hungry, I'm hungry. All I want to do is have a fucking piece of toast.

• 58:50Speaker 00

  Big Brother.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  And in Big Brother, you were in that iconic David's dead.

• 58:55Speaker 00

  I know.

• 58:56Speaker 01

  You and your fucking fringe can fuck off.

• 58:59Speaker 00

  Uh, that one is Towey. That was a great scene.

• 59:04Speaker 01

  You fucking walk around on your high horse like you're better than everyone else. So good.

• 59:09Speaker 00

  Towey.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  You need to get some straighteners on your hair because you look like a fucking lion.

• 59:17Speaker 01

  This X on the beach.

• 59:18Speaker 00

  That's X on the bait.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  I clean my shit up. I clean everyone's shit up. It's lovely, brother.

• 59:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, big bro.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  Shut your mouth and shut your legs.

• 59:26Speaker 00

  What was that one on?

• 59:28Speaker 01

  X on the beach.

• 59:28Speaker 00

  That was so ruthless. I meant it as well and I said it.

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• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  Can I just say firstly, like just congratulations on everything. Like truly, like I said before, I love it when people try and put people in a box. They do it with me, they do it with loads of different people. And when you fight and you get out of it and you achieve what you're achieving. And being the mum that you are, being the incredible wholesome sort of cook that you are, but also with your music that is just going to go from strength to strength. You should be so immensely proud of yourself and I really hope you are.

• 1:01:38Speaker 00

  I am. No, it's, it's taken me a lot of time to kind of get where I am. I am really proud.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  You should be because it's incredible what you're achieving.

• 1:01:47Speaker 00

  Thank you. I just want to be the best mum I can to Landon. Do you know what I mean? And I feel like I've had a lot going on. I feel like I can kind of handle, you know, the little things. Yeah.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Listen, before we finish, we'd like to do a quick fire questions. Are you ready for this? What's a saying or phrase that makes you smile or cheers you up?

• 1:02:04Speaker 00

  When Landon says mama.

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  Best compliment anyone's ever given you?

• 1:02:10Speaker 00

  Um, that I'm actually nice, like really nice to speak to and I'm like, okay, thanks.

• 1:02:16Speaker 01

  People always say to me, you're actually, you're actually not bad looking in real life. I'm like, brilliant. What do I do with that?

• 1:02:22Speaker 00

  That's great.

• 1:02:22Speaker 01

  Thanks. You do.

• 1:02:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, that is crazy.

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  What scares you most about yourself?

• 1:02:28Speaker 00

  My overthinking.

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  When was the last time you cried, apart from today?

• 1:02:33Speaker 00

  Last time I cried, what, what a big cry?

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  A big cry.

• 1:02:37Speaker 00

  Basically, I went to the Brit Awards. It was amazing. Had an amazing night. Beautiful table, sat down, watched Harry Styles. It was great. And then me and my manager, we went to a, uh, we went to a walnut after party. Great. Had the best time ever. And then we thought, let's meet our friends. Let's go to, um, a couple of bars afterwards. I'm in my ball gown. We get to the door of somewhere and I'm like, got papped at the door. And everyone's coming out. Meghan, like, hi, how are you? Are you coming up? I'm like, yeah, see you in a sec. See you in a sec. I get to the door. The security get all funny. You're not allowed in. I was like, oh, okay. Um, why?

• 1:03:18Speaker 00

  Uh, someone from above has text us and, and your name's on the list. They're not allowed in.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 1:03:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. So I had to walk away. No, then I said, can I just walk in? Because I've been pictured and, um, and I'll go out the back door and I'll get my taxi to pick me up. I'm on the back door. No stress. Cool. It's fine. No.

• 1:03:41Speaker 00

  They said, you're not allowed through the doors. I said, am I not even allowed to just stand there and then they lift? No. Went, okay. I'm literally like gobsmacked. Never happened to me in my entire life.

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  Yeah.

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  So I had to leave, cry the whole way home.

• 1:03:52Speaker 01

  It's, you know what? It happened to me in a club when I was really young and I did that with, when I was on Made in Chelsea.

• 1:03:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  And I remember they said, you're not allowed in. And I was so embarrassed.

• 1:04:03Speaker 00

  So embarrassing.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  And I had to walk past everyone. It was just, and it's, and I just.

• 1:04:08Speaker 00

  So belittling and so horrible.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just, I didn't.

• 1:04:11Speaker 00

  And there's also ways of saying it, like these security men were so rude. Like I was a piece of shit.

• 1:04:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:18Speaker 00

  And there's like three of them and they just, it was so, the treatment I got.

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  And intimidating.

• 1:04:23Speaker 00

  So horrible. It ruined my whole night. I didn't even go to the other clubs that we wanted to go to. And then we sobbed and we checked into the hotel and just to top it off, there was a guy sitting down on the sofas and he went, are you that Megan McKenna? I swear. I turned around and I said, yeah. He went, car, you used to look well better. What did he say?

• 1:04:45Speaker 00

  Oh, he said, you went, car, you, you used to look well better on TV. And I looked at him.

• 1:04:51Speaker 00

  I went, oh, that's lovely, isn't it? And I just walked through the doors. I was done. I'm done.

• 1:05:00Speaker 00

  And that was my night.

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  That's perfect. Meghan, you look beautiful. You look beautiful.

• 1:05:07Speaker 00

  Do you know what as well? I was really glad that night.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, you look great.

• 1:05:09Speaker 00

  I thought, are you joking? Like I've just spent three hours getting glad for this night.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:14Speaker 00

  Cheek of it.

• 1:05:15Speaker 01

  Thank you. What's something you can't let go of?

• 1:05:20Speaker 00

  Um, oh, something I can't let go of. Okay. Um, really deep, but it is feeling scared in the night time.

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  A hundred percent. And yeah, and I get that.

• 1:05:30Speaker 00

  At the moment.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  But I really think you will get past that. An EDMR, I promise you, I promise you. What's your guilty pleasure?

• 1:05:38Speaker 00

  Um, Dallas cheerleaders.

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  Great shout.

• 1:05:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  What do you love about Dallas cheerleaders?

• 1:05:45Speaker 00

  There's something about that process, auditioning stages that reminds me of being in theatre school. But also they're so ruthless and I love it that they just say what they want to say. And I feel like that's what it was like when I was on TV and I love it.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  What's your biggest turn off?

• 1:06:03Speaker 00

  Um, when someone pretends that they don't know who you are. And they'll come over and say, are you that, I don't watch you, but can I have a photo for my mum?

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  Happened to me in Ibiza with a DJ recently. He wanted this, he went, he went, I went, hey man, so good to see you again. And then he went, sorry, who are you? This guy had messaged me. This guy had messaged me and I was like, oh, it's, I was telling my little brother. He's like a Gen Z, quite a cool kid. And I was like, it's me. And he was like, don't know who you are. So I took my hat and glasses off and my brother went, my brother went, not the hat. I did it.

• 1:06:43Speaker 00

  Oh, it does kill me. It kills me when people do it. Yeah.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  What's your biggest turn on?

• 1:06:48Speaker 00

  Someone's aura.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 1:06:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  What do you like most about yourself?

• 1:06:55Speaker 00

  I like,

• 1:06:58Speaker 00

  I'm really good with just like, like holding, I feel like I could meet new people and like make them feel at ease.

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 1:07:07Speaker 00

  I'm good at that.

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  And I couldn't agree more with that.

• 1:07:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. Thank you.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  You have it, you have it when you see you for the first time, just this openness.

• 1:07:14Speaker 00

  That's really nice.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  It's so beautiful.

• 1:07:16Speaker 00

  That's really nice. My mum would be proud.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Favorite song of yours that you love to sing on stage?

• 1:07:21Speaker 00

  Oh, I mean, it has to be this, the one I sang on X Factor, because for me, that means everything, that song. And now I can relate it to Landon of all I wanted was, it's just the words are so beautiful.

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  Meghan McKenna, thank you so much. You are fantastic company. You're the best. That was amazing. Oh, Meghan, I love you.

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