NARA SMITH: My Message To The People Who Hate Me

If you don’t know the name Nara Smith, chances are you’ve seen one of her videos online. The model and influencer, who has more than 12 million followers on TikTok, has become famous for making her own frozen yogurt, homemade bread and even skittles - all while dressed in couture. Sitting down with Nara, it’s clear there’s so much more to her than the videos we see online. In our conversation, she opens up about the ambition that has driven her since she was young, and the family that is at the heart of it all. Nara shares: Why she wants to be known for more than her videosThe first DM her now-husband Lucky sent her and their whirlwind romanceWhy she chose unique names for her childrenHer dream of one day winning an Oscar Nara is proof that you should never judge a book by its cover. Nara Smith is Great Company. You can buy Nara's new book, Homemade, HERE! https://www.waterstones.com/book/homemade/nara-aziza-smith//9780008799007?sv1=affiliate&sv_campaign_id=626889&awc=3787_1793744620_8ec501d032cf5d7076dba7df54cbf7dd&utm_source=626889&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=adstrong If you enjoyed the show, you can also follow us: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/greatcompanypodcast/ TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@greatcompanypodcast Jamie - https://www.instagram.com/jamielaing THE CREDITS Senior Producer: Helen Burke Assistant Producer: Issy Weeks-Hankins Video: Josh Bennett and Lizzie McCarthy Senior Social Media Manager: Laura Coughlan Audio: Rafi Amsili Geovannetti Production Manager: Archan Mohile Exec Producer: Ewan Newbigging-Lister Great Company is an original podcast from JamPot. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  What do you think people online would be surprised to learn about you?

• 0:02Speaker 01

  That I'm actually so much more than what I am online. Hateful comments and misconceptions and like all of it. And it felt very unjust. Like bless your heart, if you need to block me, I promise I won't see it.

• 0:13Speaker 00

  Demi Moore, Charlize Theron, like are you?

• 0:15Speaker 01

  Crazy. I was freaking out. He said, where are you from, Angel? But he was the worst texter ever. It just felt like my world was crumbling. I asked Lucky, I was like, did I die during childbirth? Like, is this the afterlife?

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  Guys, welcome back to Great Company LA. We're still here. Okay. And we are recording with some incredible guests. And today's guest, I'm so excited for, it's Nara Smith. Now, you may have followed Nara for a while. You may have seen her videos. But if you haven't heard of Nara Smith, you still probably would have seen her videos. She's very famous for making cooking videos in couture, amazing, incredible outfits. And she's just released her cookbook, which we're going to chat about today. This episode is full of laughs. It's emotional at times. It's incredible. So get ready for it. Now, if you're new to the show and you haven't subscribed to Great Company yet, click that button. It takes one second. It's completely free and it means you not only join our incredible community, it allows us to keep making a better show for you guys every single week.

• 4:14Speaker 00

  Okay, if you do that one thing, we'll thank you forever. Okay. Here we go. Enjoy this amazing episode of Great Company with the incredible Nara Smith.

• 4:25Speaker 00

  You know what? I can admit it. I don't think I'm an alpha male.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  You know what? Fair.

• 4:30Speaker 00

  I can finally admit it. And my, my wife is more alpha than me. And I

• 4:35Speaker 01

  You need that balance though. So it's good.

• 4:37Speaker 00

  No, I can't believe we got on it. The moment I knew I wasn't alpha male.

• 4:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:40Speaker 00

  Right?

• 4:40Speaker 01

  Oh, wait, you transitioned into one.

• 4:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, I haven't transitioned to an alpha male yet. I'm currently doing that.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  We're working on it.

• 4:46Speaker 00

  We're working on that. But the moment I realized I wasn't alpha male.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:50Speaker 00

  Was when I was living in my apartment in Notting Hill with my wife. And at five in the morning, I, I heard a noise and I was like, what the hell is that noise? And so I went down to my window in the kitchen and I looked out and there was a guy with a balaclava trying to get in.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  There's no way.

• 5:09Speaker 00

  I swear to God. So in that situation.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  What do you do?

• 5:13Speaker 00

  Well, in my head, when I'm thinking about that situation, I

• 5:17Speaker 01

  You've got it. Yeah.

• 5:19Speaker 00

  I've got this. You, this guy, this guy has picked the wrong house. Right? That's what.

• 5:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 5:25Speaker 00

  But in reality.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, what happened?

• 5:26Speaker 00

  I go, oh my God. By the way, I'm fully naked. Okay. So I go down to my front door.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  That's my worst fear.

• 5:35Speaker 00

  I go down to my front door and put my hands on the door and put my feet against the wall and act as a human doorstop. So this person can't get in.

• 5:49Speaker 00

  And I realized I'm too short now to reach the wall. So I run out of the house without my wife.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  That is insane. The thought process, all of those steps make no sense.

• 6:12Speaker 00

  I was thinking, I need to survive.

• 6:18Speaker 00

  Can I just say, no, you like, I've been such a fan of you for so long, truthfully. And it's not even me just sitting here and saying it as like a host or whatever.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Tell me more.

• 6:25Speaker 00

  I can tell you, I really need it. You are like so great and so wonderful. And the content you make is so kind of like pure and magical and lovely. And even like reading through your book.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  You read through it?

• 6:40Speaker 00

  Are you, the, the greatest thing about your book, right?

• 6:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:42Speaker 00

  Is that not only is it feels like a coffee table.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  It does.

• 6:45Speaker 00

  Like book in a way. It's also it's like something that like, I'm so excited to go and make the recipes.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  That makes me so excited.

• 6:51Speaker 00

  When was the decision you made, like, I want to go and do this?

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Um, honest, okay. So writing this book was like a two-ish year process. So it really took a minute and I feel like that was expedited because a lot of the times cookbooks take even longer than that. And I, I mean, I thought I was going to be a fiction writer. I thought I would write a fiction novel of sorts and that would be my writing, start to writing. But then it ended up being a cookbook because so many people wanted the recipes. I would go through my comments and it was like, when is the book coming out? When do we get the recipes? All these things. And then I really took it serious and got the deal done. And then we kind of went from there.

• 7:32Speaker 00

  Are you really happy with it?

• 7:34Speaker 01

  I am, but I am also a perfectionist. So in hindsight, I'm like, ooh, I should have tweaked that a little bit or maybe added this recipe or maybe fix this or whatever it may be. I really, I'm always critical of my own work, but I'm really proud of how it turned out. And I'm really glad it's out now for people to buy.

• 7:51Speaker 00

  You know, that's amazing. Like, the reason why, like, I admire you as well is because I saw you on Emma Grease's podcast, right?

• 7:57Speaker 01

  She's a gem.

• 7:58Speaker 00

  She's awesome.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  She's awesome.

• 7:59Speaker 00

  Like, if there's zombie apocalypse, go with her. She's going to know what to do.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  I honestly think we'd, we'd be fine.

• 8:07Speaker 00

  With her? Yeah.

• 8:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. I'll cook. I'll make sure everything's fine. She's going to be like, okay, how do we build this?

• 8:13Speaker 00

  And what am I going to do?

• 8:15Speaker 01

  You're gonna, we're gonna shelter you. We're gonna make sure you don't escape and run out because you're scared. We're gonna take care of you. It's gonna be fine.

• 8:22Speaker 00

  You're just gonna look after me?

• 8:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:24Speaker 00

  I'm dead weight in that. I'm total dead weight.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  No, no, no. Cause you're gonna bring good conversation and you're gonna keep the spirits alive because we're all gonna feel depressed. You're gonna be, you know, you're gonna make sure we're all happy.

• 8:34Speaker 00

  But you, you're this perfection. I saw you on Emma Grease and what was so like interesting is that you don't even have a big team.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  No.

• 8:41Speaker 00

  So even I can, looking through this book now, I know that every single recipe, every single picture in there, that is you going, this is my vision. This is what I want to do. So everything you're doing is yours within that book.

• 8:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it really is. I mean, obviously it takes a team. It takes an editor, a writer, a photographer, a stylist, a set designer, like all these people to bring it to life because it is such a labor of love. But the vision and the creative and where we wanted to go with it and like what the inspiration was, was all developed by me over the last two years. So it really is, it was, it also evolved throughout the process. I feel like it started off with me not quite knowing where I was going. And the more I worked on it, the more I realized that my grandma was popping up and German recipes were popping up and things that Lucky really liked eating. So like the American things found its way in there. So I think it really was this process that kind of took on for two years and evolved into what it is now.

• 9:35Speaker 00

  Have you always been this driven?

• 9:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:38Speaker 00

  Ever since you were a kid?

• 9:38Speaker 01

  I mean, I grew up with a dad that when I brought back a B, he was like, why isn't it an A? So I think it was always this like, okay, I'm good, but how can I be better? And I think that's kind of the standard I hold myself to and Is it always productive? No. Uh, it's sometimes really crippling, but then also in other times, I feel like it comes in really handy. And I feel proud of myself when I accomplish what I want to accomplish or even put, uh, even with content, like putting something out that I feel proud of or writing this book that I feel proud of, uh, or giving, giving a performance that I'm really proud of. I think it really is, it pays off.

• 10:14Speaker 00

  But then when you don't achieve what you want to achieve, does that then hit you harder?

• 10:19Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, it does. But I feel like that's also in the beginning of my book, I say, give yourself grace. And even though that is me telling that to other people through this book, it's also a reminder for myself because I feel like I can get really hard on myself and I'm really working on not doing that. Because things that I see or that I view as not being perfect, other people wouldn't even blink at. So I think it's just holding myself to an unrealistic standard that I don't necessarily want to do because it also keeps me from putting out work that I know people would love.

• 10:49Speaker 00

  Now, this is what my big thing at the moment is. I'm really trying at the moment. I spoke to my great friend, right? And he's, I said, like, I just don't know. I just feel like I'm not quite getting as many W's as I want. I like, feel like I'm not killing it. And he said, whoa, you've got to hold it. He said, you've got to take an outside look of where you started and where you are now.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  Very good advice.

• 11:08Speaker 00

  Oh, really? And you've got to say, you know, he said to me, look, your friendships are tighter, your family is better. You're married, your business is better, all these things. Uh, every week you can't win, every week you can't batter yourself. And the problem is, I think same as you, I'm highly competitive with myself. I want to always continue.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  It's yourself. Yeah, I am competitive with myself. And people always ask me, who do you want to be like? Who's your biggest idol? Who's this? Who's that? Who, whatever it is. But a lot of the times it's all about myself and evolving past what I am now and seeing myself in my old version of like, someone I want to better, if that makes sense. It's never the outside that I feel pressured by, it's me.

• 11:48Speaker 00

  Hundred percent. Your voice is now iconic.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  I never thought it would be, but yeah.

• 11:54Speaker 00

  Buddy, it's like iconic. It's, it's like, uh, you, when, when was that first video we saw like, this is popping off, like what is going on here?

• 12:02Speaker 01

  It was this video of me making the kids' bread and peach jam. And then it went kind of viral and then I kind of forgot about it, just did my thing. And then I was like, ooh, would be fun if I made a grilled cheese from scratch, right? Make the butter from scratch, the cheese, the pesto, the bread. And then that really took off.

• 12:19Speaker 00

  You see how many views it's got? It's like, I think it's over fifty million views.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  That's so crazy.

• 12:25Speaker 00

  That is.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  So insane, isn't it? Um, and then I kind of just did it more and more and people loved it. And then the voice, I mean, you as a dad will get it, like, once you put your kid to bed, there is no way you're gonna wake them up. But then also if you're holding them and like getting them to bed and they fall asleep in your arms, you're like,

• 12:45Speaker 01

  what do I do? Do I like, put them down and risk it? Do I like? But the video had to go up, right? I was like, mom's got to work. So that's how the voice came about. I had to speak so quiet.

• 12:55Speaker 00

  Get out of here.

• 12:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:56Speaker 00

  You had to speak quietly to make sure that you make the babies.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  I couldn't wake them. I spent so much time putting them down, but I needed to get the video up. And like, I'm, I'm a perfectionist. So I was like, it's five o'clock. If I do it any later, it's gonna be bad, but you know? So then that's how the voice came about and people loved it. And I'm also a huge fan of ASMR. So that just kind of took on its, like, everything was so unintentional and it slotted together so perfectly that then I was like, oh, this is so fun. Let me keep doing it because people love it and I love it because it's me creating art, essentially.

• 13:29Speaker 00

  No, you, you made chewing gum from scratch.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  I did.

• 13:31Speaker 00

  Are you kidding me?

• 13:32Speaker 01

  I've made all kinds of things, Skittles, chewing gum, grilled cheeses.

• 13:37Speaker 00

  Cereal?

• 13:37Speaker 01

  Cereal, Cheez-Its.

• 13:39Speaker 00

  It's a flex. Like, are you kidding? I'm struggling making a boiled egg and you're doing, it's un.

• 13:45Speaker 01

  What's your favorite food?

• 13:46Speaker 00

  Great question.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  Like your favorite dish if you had to pick one?

• 13:52Speaker 00

  I, like, I love a shepherd's pie.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  Fair. Very underrated as well.

• 13:58Speaker 00

  Extremely underrated.

• 13:59Speaker 01

  I love a shepherd's pie.

• 13:59Speaker 00

  Shepherd's pie is my favorite.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  Beautiful. Good choice.

• 14:02Speaker 00

  That would be my main course. My starter would be something like, my wife hates when I say, I'd have asparagus soup.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  Asparagus soup?

• 14:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know. It's not that, people, you're gonna get cross with me that I have an asparagus. I had one when I was younger in France. It was delicious.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  I might need that. That sounds really good.

• 14:16Speaker 00

  It's really good. And then dessert, I'd probably have something like a creme brulee.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  Ooh, beautiful. A little custard type situation.

• 14:21Speaker 00

  But now I throw it back to you. If you were gonna have a starter, main dessert, what would you have? And you can choose it from your book as well if you want.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Okay, fair. Very good.

• 14:32Speaker 00

  Did you like that little?

• 14:33Speaker 01

  I love that little.

• 14:34Speaker 00

  Liked what?

• 14:35Speaker 01

  So for dessert, let's start there because I have a huge sweet tooth. I would do my pavlova ice cream cake that I have in there. It's like pavlova, ice cream pavlova, ice cream pavlova.

• 14:43Speaker 00

  Quite a British dish.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Well, the Australians would probably claim that.

• 14:48Speaker 00

  I, I'm gonna claim it. I don't know if I can.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  Do you know what? We'll let you be delusional in that. That's fine. Um, with like a passion fruit situation, very delicious.

• 14:58Speaker 00

  See, I would remove the passion fruit. I'm not gonna critique it too much. I'm just saying, that little zing, I, I don't know, I don't know if I need that little zing. All right, I don't want that little zing through there.

• 15:10Speaker 01

  We'll talk about that later.

• 15:11Speaker 00

  But this is coming from a person's palate, his favorite food is shepherd's pie.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  So you're a toddler?

• 15:19Speaker 01

  No, I get it though. Passion fruit is one of, I like a tart situation, you know, that's just me. And then main, probably in the book, there's this recipe that is my grandma's. It's rolladen. It's this German dish where it's like a beef roll up situation, where you take beef, bacon, mustard, pickles, onions, salt and pepper and like roll it up. And then it braises in this like.

• 15:41Speaker 00

  How good is it?

• 15:41Speaker 01

  It's beautiful. It's so good. Probably that. And then as a starter, tom yum soup, even though it's not in the, in the book, but tom yum soup.

• 15:52Speaker 00

  With prawns or without prawns?

• 15:53Speaker 01

  Chicken. I don't eat seafood.

• 15:56Speaker 00

  Let's go.

• 15:57Speaker 01

  Isn't it so good?

• 15:58Speaker 00

  Tom yum soup is spicy, right?

• 15:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:00Speaker 00

  That's freaking good.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  It's so good.

• 16:01Speaker 00

  Oh, no.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  It's really good.

• 16:05Speaker 00

  The, the, and who, if you, who would be at your dinner party if you could pick anyone?

• 16:09Speaker 01

  Okay, people keep asking me this. I.

• 16:11Speaker 00

  What a boring question that people keep asking me. I thought I was.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  So annoying. You're not original at all. No, I'm just kidding. There's this, I just talked to a friend of mine, Sophia Rowe. She actually gave me the brilliant, the most brilliant answer, so I'm gonna steal her answer. She said, I would love to sit down with me, but as a child. And then I'd like to sit with my daughter, but the age that I am now.

• 16:36Speaker 00

  I need to high five you on that one.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  Isn't, well, that wasn't my idea, but like.

• 16:40Speaker 00

  Steal it, like the pavlova, let's take it.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  Sophia said that and I'm like, oh, that's the best answer I've ever heard.

• 16:46Speaker 00

  That is the best answer I've ever heard.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  So it would just be us kicking it up. Crazy.

• 16:51Speaker 00

  What are you wearing for the dinner party?

• 16:53Speaker 01

  Something fab. Let me tell you that. Like a little archival Scapparelli number.

• 16:59Speaker 00

  Are we going deep into the archive to get it?

• 17:01Speaker 01

  Yes, cinch it. I don't want to be able to breathe. Can I sit down? I don't know.

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• 18:32Speaker 00

  You have four kids.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  I do.

• 18:33Speaker 00

  Rumble Honey, Slim Easy, Whimsy Lou and Fornie Golden.

• 18:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 18:37Speaker 00

  The names are just.

• 18:39Speaker 01

  I love a good baby name. I mean, my husband's name is Lucky Blue and then he has sisters that have crazy names like Daisy Clementine, Piper America, like kooky names, I guess, but it helped them all find their individuality and also be remembered. And he loves his name and he loved the fact that he had a more abnormal name, I guess. So when we were naming our kids, I wanted that for them because I think it builds character and they're either gonna love it or hate it. And if they genuinely hate it, they can go change their name when they're older. But also I think we as a society will shift so much. So by the time they're older, there probably will be a lot more names that are unique

• 19:21Speaker 01

  because I feel like that's kind of what a lot of people are doing now. But then also, I believe that kids grow into their names.

• 19:28Speaker 00

  I think you knocked it out of the park.

• 19:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, and all of my kids present themselves as their names. It's really interesting. Oh, one hundred percent.

• 19:35Speaker 00

  It's like.

• 19:35Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 19:36Speaker 00

  Ah, we, I named Ziggy Ziggy because it was like a little bit different. Because I do think in a world full of so many things, you want your babies to stand out or be remembered. A hundred percent. And your names are just like I'm almost jealous. I'm like, those, they're so great.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:52Speaker 00

  I heard this beautiful story, which is where you saw your husband on.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  On Ellen. Yeah, so I saw his Ellen interview when he was, when I was like, I don't, I don't want to get the ages wrong, but I was a teenager. And I saw him on Ellen and I was like, oh, that guy's so hot. And then I just kind of like daydreamed about him a lot.

• 20:10Speaker 00

  Lucky is hot.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  He is, right?

• 20:13Speaker 00

  And that's from, coming from a guy.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 20:15Speaker 00

  Who's married. He's, he's hot. As a couple, you, you, there's some really good genes going on there.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  I mean, our kids are very cute. I'll, I'll have to be honest. But it, and then I daydreamed and then I didn't really think of it much. And then years later, he DM'd me and then we got married six months after meeting for the first time. So.

• 20:33Speaker 00

  You gotta, this is.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  No, it was so insane. But I think that's what everything in my life has felt like I, whether consciously or subconsciously spoke it into existence, even after school, like when all of my friends were applying to colleges and doing this and doing that. And they were like, what are you gonna do? You have no idea what you're doing after school? Like, what are you gonna do? I knew my backup would be being a biology teacher. And at some point I'd go to college for that, but that, that wasn't my thought. It was like, I know I'm gonna be.

• 21:01Speaker 00

  That was your backup to be a biology teacher?

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:03Speaker 00

  In, in Germany?

• 21:04Speaker 01

  I don't know where, to be honest. I was like, I want to do biology and I want to teach it, either elementary school or high school or even a professor, like anything that kind of would teach people. And it's funny that I kind of do cooking videos now and people feel taught by them as well. But I just, I knew that finishing school, I was like, I know I'm gonna be fine. And my dad would stress, because he's like very type A. He's like, okay, so what, what college are you applying to? What are you gonna study? All these different things. And after school, I was like, no, I'm gonna take some time and model. I know I'm gonna be fine and I know I'm gonna make it.

• 21:39Speaker 00

  You just knew that?

• 21:40Speaker 01

  I just knew. I, I was never stressed.

• 21:42Speaker 00

  You, you see Lucky on Ellen, whatever age you are, in the teens, you then, you then, he slides into your DMs, which is like, what does he, what does he slide in saying, hey?

• 21:53Speaker 01

  He said, where are you from, Angel? And I was like, okay, let's give it a whirl. And then he was cra, he was really.

• 22:01Speaker 00

  No, but the heck, this is the guy you seen and then suddenly he's down there. You're like, what?

• 22:05Speaker 01

  I was like, what is happening? And I had no one to share this with because no one really knew. And I'm like, huh. This is so fu, it was just crazy. And then we started texting. But he was the worst texter ever, like ever, ever.

• 22:17Speaker 00

  Are you a good texter?

• 22:18Speaker 01

  No.

• 22:19Speaker 00

  Okay, perfect.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  But back then I was better. So I was like, this guy, okay, I'm done, you know, it's just whatever. Like, I'm not gonna invest any more energy here. And then one day he texted me and he was like, I'm gonna go camping with my friends. I won't have service, but when I'm back, I want to call you. And he actually followed through and he called me and that call lasted seven hours. We talked about everything and anything. And then ever since that day, we never went a day without talking. And usually it was like multiple phone calls a day, or even we would like fall asleep on FaceTime because we were a long distance. I lived in Germany, he lived in LA. And then the first.

• 22:51Speaker 00

  You hadn't met?

• 22:52Speaker 01

  No. So we spent two or three weeks just talking on the phone, like every day, multiple hours. And then.

• 22:57Speaker 00

  So the connection was through conversation?

• 23:00Speaker 01

  Through conversation on the phone, not even FaceTime, like a regular call. Yeah, conversation.

• 23:05Speaker 00

  So it was so deep?

• 23:06Speaker 01

  So, like, so deep. We went deep so quick. That first phone call, we talked about everything from like, how many kids do you want to, how do you feel about marriage to what's your favorite food? Like, what sneakers are you wearing right now? Where are you in the world? What's your favorite modeling memory? Like, everything. And then it was a coincidence that we met in person because I called him one day and I was like, hey, so just so you know, I'm gonna be in Milan walking this fashion show. I don't, like, I just want you to know so that if I'm a little like lagging, you know, you'll know why. And then he's like, that's so crazy. I'm gonna be attending that same show in Milan. And that's the first time we met. And that same day, he told me he loved me. He asked me to be his girlfriend. Three months later, we were in Australia, ring shopping together. Then we got engaged right after that.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Three months after that, we got married. And then nine months after that, we had our first kid. And then six years later, we're on our fourth.

• 23:57Speaker 01

  It's crazy. That's, that's what it is. I, I think if.

• 24:00Speaker 00

  That is like the most, that's like a movie.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  It feels like a movie, yeah. And I couldn't, like, I couldn't be more grateful.

• 24:07Speaker 00

  No, then that's the most beautiful thing. And I can, and you can, like, man, you can see the love and the respect and the admiration and everything towards you guys. Because that is what, because I, in your, in, when I, like, having met you like briefly now, right? You, you seem like someone who understands where they want to go, has a vision. You look at your book, right? Homemade, right? You like, everything about it is precise. It's like, I know.

• 24:29Speaker 01

  Precise, yes.

• 24:30Speaker 00

  Everything. But then, the biggest risk in life is choosing who you want to marry.

• 24:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:37Speaker 00

  That is the biggest risk.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  It is. It's hit or miss.

• 24:40Speaker 00

  Will you marry me? Or saying I do, or whatever way you want to do it, it's hit or miss. It's a roulette spin. And that is doing it after six months.

• 24:46Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 24:47Speaker 00

  So what, why? But what was it about him that you would like, or what was it about that relationship that you were just like, this is it?

• 24:53Speaker 01

  I have no idea. I think it was a deep gut feeling. And it just felt like I was meant to be with him. I can't explain it to anyone. And I don't know how to articulate the feelings I felt towards him. There was one pivotal moment in our relationship where he came to visit me in Australia, which is crazy. He got on like a long flight. He spent ten days with me in Australia and the day that he, and we went ring shopping there. And I told my friends, I'm like, meet my boyfriend. Also, we're on our way to crazy. And then I just remember he left that trip and he went through security and it just felt like my world was crumbling. I was like, I

• 25:34Speaker 01

  can't do long distance. I can't be without, like, that was the moment I knew that there wouldn't be a day I could be without him. Like, it felt like a part of me left that day.

• 25:43Speaker 00

  Now, so when I, so have you read Northern Lights?

• 25:46Speaker 01

  No.

• 25:46Speaker 00

  Okay, Northern Lights, Philip Pullman, it's, it's.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  Is it good?

• 25:49Speaker 00

  It's a book, right? And basically what it is, is about these, I can't, I've read it years ago, but

• 25:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:53Speaker 00

  in the story, Lara, who is the main character, has this, this spirit animal basically called a daemon. If, if they go too far away from each other, it causes pain. And so with my wife, I, when we first, this is, I'm not even kidding you, right?

• 26:05Speaker 01

  I love love.

• 26:07Speaker 00

  I love love. I love love. It's the greatest, it's the.

• 26:09Speaker 01

  It's the greatest gift.

• 26:10Speaker 00

  And I don't give a shit about being cheesy. I freaking love it.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Do it.

• 26:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Just commit.

• 26:15Speaker 00

  What do you think is the best thing about your husband, Lucky? And what do you think he would say is the best thing about you?

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Oh, I think, I mean, it's, it's hard to say one thing because he is my best friend in every aspect. But I think how emotionally aware he is of me and my emotions. Because I, I hear a lot of stories of husbands being like, I didn't know she felt like that. I didn't know you were sad that day. Why didn't you tell me? I'm like, tell you. Like, he really is so aware of my emotions and that's really beautiful. He's really good at communicating. I think also we've grown so much in our relationship that we've learned so many things to where now if I come to him with a problem or an issue or feelings or whatever it is, I'm like, this is what's happening. He's like, okay, so

• 27:02Speaker 01

  would you like advice? Would you like me to just listen and be there for you? Would you like my opinion? I think a lot of the times, like, we expect our partner to read our mind and know exactly what we need. And I think we've gotten really good at communicating, being like, okay, I actually just need you to listen and let me vent. Or sometimes I'm like, I actually really need your advice and your opinion. Like, am I out of line? Whatever it may be, like, we've gotten good at that. But I don't know what his favorite thing is about me. Maybe. How loving and compassionate I am because I I think when we have a disagreement or even just in day to day life, I think I can meet people, not just him, but everyone with compassion, even if I feel different.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  And I think that's that's something that's a blessing and a curse because a lot of the times when I get hurt by people, whether that's friends or work related thing, whatever it may be, I there's like two things in my mind, right? It's my feelings, how I feel, kind of what the situation was and like usually like if I feel a certain way, I'm I'm in the right, just based off the facts and the reality of the situation. But then it's also like, let's just say someone hurt me, right? You broke the glass and it's like my favorite glass and I'm devastated by it and you did it out of malicious intent. Let's just say that, right? I have my feelings, you did it out of malicious intent. I'm pissed, I'm really sad. All of those feelings exist for me based off the reality, right?

• 28:25Speaker 01

  But then I can also understand, okay, maybe you did it because you had a bad day or like you're feeling a lot of other things in your life that brought out that maliciousness and you did that to hurt me because you're hurting. And then I'm like, okay, let me take care of your emotions and make sure that you're okay, because I can understand why you did this. So sometimes it's really great. Sometimes I'm like, gotta stand up for myself a little better, but I'd much rather meet people with kindness and compassion rather than anything else.

• 28:56Speaker 00

  Now, how do you learn that?

• 28:58Speaker 01

  I don't know. I don't know.

• 29:00Speaker 00

  Like, that is a an amazing perspective.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  Because a lot of, I mean, we're all doing life for the first time. We're all here for the first time. We're all parents for the first time. We're all humans for the first time. We're all in work situations a lot of the times for the first time. Like, we're all just here for the first time in this life, to where I'd much rather meet you with love and compassion, because I feel like that's what we all need, rather than whatever is that went wrong. I I just feel like we all just deserve a little bit more grace and a lot of the times people don't get that.

• 29:34Speaker 00

  Honestly, it's it's like such a beautiful way to be.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  I always want to be kind and I feel like kindness costs nothing. It's not going to take anything away from you. It's not gonna do anything but help someone else in whatever that is. And I think that's what we owe everyone around us because, I don't know, I just I just believe that there is good in everyone regardless of what your actions are. And that doesn't necessarily mean that, I mean, when it comes to business, I can be really compassionate, but then it's also then maybe we part ways or maybe you're not on this project or maybe we do need to have a harder conversation.

• 30:14Speaker 00

  You can have those conversations.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  I'm getting better at it, yes. In the beginning, I'd be like shriveling up inside, but by now I feel like if I approach it, if I feel confident in what I have to say, I can approach it in a kind and compassionate way.

• 30:28Speaker 00

  Do you think becoming a mom has made you better at that?

• 30:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it has. I just feel like you're just seeing these tiny humans and they're also doing it for the first time and they chose you to be their parents and they have no concept of time. They have no concept of what it means to tie your shoes in a timely manner because we have to go. They don't even know how long it will take to get to wherever we're going. But then we might in that situation be like, oh, we gotta go, like getting stressed, getting flustered, getting like a little snappy because you're like, just tie the shoe, we need to go. But they're just like, they have no idea.

• 31:01Speaker 00

  You know, becoming a dad has taught me so much patience and so much understanding. It's made me appreciate and love my parents more.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you can also meet your parents with so much more grace and compassion. Because I feel like growing up, you're like, oh, why did you do that? Why did you do that? Why were you fighting? But now in hindsight, you're like, oh, you also were just parents for the first time. You also just learned as you were going and it kind of makes you reflect like there's probably going to be things that I do as a parent that my kids are going to be like, I don't like that you did that. But all you're doing, I feel like, if you come from a good place is doing the best for your kids, loving them in the best way you know how to and teaching them in the best way that you know how to. And that isn't perfect because we're all flawed human beings. We're not meant to be perfect.

• 31:43Speaker 00

  Without a doubt, and we're just broken souls trying to find our way through life.

• 31:46Speaker 01

  We're just trying our best and I think that's what I say, like, if you're trying your best, that's all that matters. Like, sometimes when I, whether that's in my relationship with my husband or in friendships or in situations with work colleagues that could have been handled better, I ask, sometimes I'm like, did you try your best? And if the answer, and I I know that I trust that they're going to tell me the truth. I'm like, just tell me truthfully, did you try your best or did you try your hardest? And if the answer is yes, then we're going to move on and figure it out because you genuinely tried your best. That's all that matters to me.

• 32:21Speaker 00

  Can I just also say just another thing which I read? And I asked my wife before and I said, can I talk about this? You talk about experiencing after giving birth, depersonalization, derealization.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 32:34Speaker 00

  My wife also experienced that.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  I'm so sorry. That must have been scary for everyone and for her and for you and.

• 32:40Speaker 00

  It's it's a really scary thing for anyone who doesn't understand. It's where you, I've actually experienced when I went through that anxiety period. So I understand, I understood what my wife was going through. It's basically where you feel like you're not living in your own body. You feel like you're floating above, you almost feel like you're going mad.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  I felt like I was dead. Like, one time I remember I asked Lucky, I was like, did I die during childbirth? Like, is this the afterlife? And he got so freaked out by that and he called his mom, like, trying to see, like, what do I do? Like, he he didn't quite know. And it was it was really scary because I'd never experienced that before with any of my kids. But I think that pregnancy specifically, there was so much that was happening from like renovating our house, all of these professional milestones. Also, she was a surprise pregnancy, so I didn't necessarily plan to have another baby to where I could mentally prepare for it. And I think I just lived my whole pregnancy not quite being mindful of the fact that I was pregnant.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  So I'd be like, yeah, of course I can fly, of course I can do this, of course, yeah, I'm gonna give birth any minute now, but let's do this work thing and let me come. Like, it was me not realizing and I think when I gave birth, it hit me because all of a sudden I was holding this kid that I didn't quite, I was like, what is happening? I was pregnant. So I think it was just me not mentally preparing properly and then kind of going through postpartum in not the best way with that happen. It's so scary.

• 34:05Speaker 00

  It is so scary for anyone who's going through it. It's it's really scary. The only thing I can say is that it it will get better. You just have to get through it.

• 34:12Speaker 01

  How did you help your wife in that way?

• 34:15Speaker 00

  Because I had experienced, I understood it. And so when I experienced it, I did, I just say stayed silent for six months. And every time I open, I wouldn't want to open my eyes in the morning because I would just feel like I was floating.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  I'm sorry.

• 34:27Speaker 00

  Wouldn't it be awful? And so when it happened to my wife, I said, listen, this is really not fun and I know you're scared right now, but I promise you this will get better and I'm by your side every step of the way. So don't worry about it. If you need anything, if you want to talk about it, you can talk about it to me every second of the day if you need to. If that makes you feel better, let's do it. But I can promise you, I've been there, it will get better. And it does, and then it it suddenly lifts. That's what happens.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  Did one day I woke up and I'm like, I'm back in my body.

• 34:55Speaker 00

  It's like you come out of a trip.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, truly.

• 34:57Speaker 00

  It's like you suddenly like, you're like, what was going, you're suddenly in your body and then it's scary because you think it's going to suddenly come back.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  I know.

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• 36:18Speaker 00

  How important is family to you?

• 36:20Speaker 01

  It's very important. I think I've always been really, I I've kind of been a loner, I guess. When I was younger, I was always like, oh, it's me. Like, I was very quiet. I love to read books. I love to just be by myself, I guess. And then the older I got, and even now as an adult, my family's everything. Like, my mom helps so much. It's so important for me to show up for them. I'm closer to my siblings. I think having kids myself made me realize how important family was. And I think being an adult now, I'm really close to my family. When I was younger, I was kind of more in my own little bubble and world. And because I'm so young, I always say when I'm younger, but I was fifteen, ten years ago. So it wasn't that long ago, you know?

• 37:04Speaker 00

  Do you not think, you know, you've achieved so much at like such a young age? Like, it is, it's so incredible, the way that you're operating.

• 37:13Speaker 01

  I think when someone says that, I take a step back and look at it. But on a day-to-day basis, in my home, I always feel like I could do better and I could advance better. And I feel like I'm not where I want to be. And in my mind, I'm not twenty-five because I have four kids and I have a life and I have a career. And it doesn't feel like a typical life that a twenty-five-year-old would lead based off of that. So I always think of myself older and then obviously also have older friends that are in their late thirties or forties. And then it kind of, not that I compare myself, but talking, obviously, we're at different life stages. And then I kind of feel inadequate sometimes and why I bring to the table, even though that's so far from the reality.

• 37:56Speaker 00

  What what is your, I like to call it a BHAG, right? So I have something called a big hairy audacious girl. It's kind of wild. It's something that like

• 38:01Speaker 01

  I'm obsessed with that.

• 38:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's it's something that like I'm in my constant driving towards, something like super unattainable that like, I think it's never gonna happen, but it keeps me on that right track to know where I'm going. I have two.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:12Speaker 00

  One is to host the Oscars.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 38:16Speaker 00

  And the other one is my family started a business many years ago called McVitie's. It's a it's a biscuit business. We sold it many years ago, but I want to buy that back. These are these two things that are unattainable. These are the two dreams.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  But why are they unattainable to you?

• 38:28Speaker 00

  Uh, well, they're not, I don't think, I, the truth is, I I I say it's unattainable because in the UK, people like to go, yeah, why?

• 38:36Speaker 01

  That's a German mentality as well. It's like keeping it small, keeping it realistic, keeping it very A-line and it's not unattainable.

• 38:44Speaker 00

  It's not unattainable, right? And and that's what I love about America is it's like you can achieve anything that you want to do. So if I was gonna say, what is your Everest? What would you like to achieve? What is that thing that you go, this is, hey? If Nara, if I could see myself in five, ten, fifteen years' time, what would that be?

• 38:59Speaker 01

  It's really interesting because I feel like I'm evolving so much and there's so much that I love doing.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  And my dreams to people, my dreams to people sound crazy, which is why I never say them out loud. I just say them to myself and I know that they're gonna happen and I say them to my team, right? But when I say them out loud, it just feels so silly that people are gonna be like, what is she on about? She's nowhere near that, but I want to win an Oscar one day. I want to have an EGOT.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  Like, I know that not a lot of people have done that, and it's so crazy that me, I would say that. But I think that's totally doable if I put in the work and I'm starting early.

• 39:38Speaker 00

  But now you know you're gonna do that.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  I know I'm gonna do that.

• 39:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, and also me sitting here, I know you're gonna do that.

• 39:43Speaker 01

  See, that's the thing. I feel like everything that I want, I know I will achieve with hard work. I'm not sitting here saying, oh, I'm gonna manifest this and it's gonna come to me one day and just appear on my doorstep. Like, I believe that whatever I say and whatever I work towards, if I'm dedicated to it and put in the work and really grind it out, I will get there. And that might not look like I want it to look, right? I want to win an Oscar next to Oscar ceremony. Obviously, it's not gonna be that. But I know that if I put in the work and I put in the time and I really hone a craft, that's gonna happen. If I really work on certain other things, they're gonna happen. If I I want to build a business that is super successful, I have to put in the work and do that.

• 40:24Speaker 01

  So I think, I I believe that whatever you say becomes your reality if you back it up.

• 40:30Speaker 00

  Man, that is such good, someone listening right now needs to hear that because I think some people want to go to heaven without doing the work.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  You have to do the work and I think that's where the manifestation or the praying or the vision boards, whatever you want to call it, right? That's where it gets kind of misconstrued because you're like, oh, I put that on my vision board and it's gonna come to me. But then you're not taking the necessary steps to get there. How are you gonna get there?

• 40:54Speaker 00

  So do you, do you pray every night? Do you manifest every night, every morning?

• 40:58Speaker 01

  I don't have a routine with it. I think I need to get better at it. But I I do believe that if I am humble and I ask for things and I put in the work and I'm faithful and I, when I say things, I I need to approach them as if they're happening, right? I need to have faith.

• 41:14Speaker 00

  You know, I went through like a little tricky time with anxiety, right? And my wife said to me, you said you should give thanks. And I said, what do you mean? She said, well, you have an amazing life. And right now, you're thinking negatively about it. But actually, what you should do is you should every single night say thank you for the things that you actually grateful. You may not believe it. You may not think it right now, but do it. This was a few years ago. I started doing it. And so I go every single night and every single morning. I say other things, but what I focus on is I say, thank you for making me, my family and friends happy, healthy, safe and content. And and since I started doing that, the words, the the thing that I'm doing, it just, it makes life,

• 41:56Speaker 00

  that constant mantra towards your mind makes you view things more positively.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 42:02Speaker 00

  And so if you keep doing that.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  It's all a mindset thing. It's also, I believe that whatever you put out and whatever you focus your energy in will become your reality. So if everything you think is negative and you're like super anxious and this is going wrong and this is going wrong and this is bad and like whatever it is, your world will become that because that's all you see. But if you realize that those, like, there's always, there has to be good and bad. There has to be a balance, right?

• 42:28Speaker 00

  Hundred percent.

• 42:28Speaker 01

  So you, but it depends on what you focus on. If you focus on the good, you're gonna see more good. If you focus on the negative, you're gonna see more negative. And depending on what you choose, that's kind of how you live your life.

• 42:39Speaker 00

  Your upcoming film, Tyrant.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  Isn't that so fun?

• 42:42Speaker 00

  Dude, are you kidding? You're in a film?

• 42:44Speaker 01

  It it feels unreal.

• 42:46Speaker 00

  Demi Moore, Charlize Theron, like, are you?

• 42:48Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 42:48Speaker 00

  It's, when you were doing it, were you just like, when when you get, do you have to, did you audition?

• 42:53Speaker 01

  I don't know how much I can say about that until it comes out.

• 42:56Speaker 00

  You didn't audition.

• 42:59Speaker 00

  They were like, they were like, we want you. And you're like, I'll see my schedule.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  Let me go check my schedule and see whether this fits in. No, I was freaking out. I think just being in an environment like that and being around the most iconic and professional and talented actresses was unlike anything I've ever seen. It's like watching the Super Bowl, you know?

• 43:25Speaker 00

  How do you deal with, how do you deal with the control? Because everything in your life, you do, you can control it. So how, but you can't control that.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  It was kind of beautiful to see. It was beautiful to see big actresses that are talented like mess up a line or want to say it a different way or show up in a way that you weren't like, you have this, I had this perception of what filming a movie would be like, right? I thought it was kind of scary. I'm a perfectionist. So I'm like, what if I screw up my lines? What if we have to do it again because of me? Like, all these different things. And when I came on set, it was actually the most beautiful experience. It was

• 43:58Speaker 00

  Can I ask you a question, right? Because I think what happens in life is that we try and put people in boxes and lanes. And we say, okay, this is your lane, right? Maybe that's on social media, then maybe that's being a reality star, maybe that's being whatever it is, right? They say, this is where you have to be. And when you start to shift outside of that lane, people go, uh, uh, uh, hang on a second, that's not, that's not where I want you.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  Want you back there.

• 44:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, I want you, you back in there. And people may argue, say, well, hang on a second. Nara, I I know her from social media. How can she be suddenly doing this? What would you say to the people who say that?

• 44:29Speaker 01

  I feel like as a society and as women and just in the industry that we're in, I think it's fun to evolve and play around and explore new dimensions. How boring would it be if all of us did the same thing for the rest of our lives every single day? And it doesn't matter whether that's me and the job that I'm doing that's more public-facing or that's someone that works a corporate nine-to-five. Like, you don't want to work that same job in the same office and never advance for the next thirty years of your life. And that's not really what happens either. Like, you quit that job and you move on or you get promoted or whatever it is. I think it's just because people in the public eye do it so public to where people can have opinions.

• 45:09Speaker 01

  It's certainly something that's then talked about. But I think if it's your friend at home that's like, yeah, I quit that job, girl. And I'm at this company now, you wouldn't really think twice about it, right? So I think it's just, there's like different perceptions depending on what you do. And I think we should just let people explore and evolve.

• 45:31Speaker 00

  I want everyone to go and get your book.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 45:33Speaker 00

  For so many reasons, not just because the beautiful recipes and that it looks so amazing and it will look insane in your home. I think because it means so much more than that.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  It means so much to me, it really does. It feels like my life over the past two years like wrapped in a hardcover.

• 45:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, and you you just you deserve it all. You're a really beautiful soul.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 45:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:56Speaker 01

  That is a really big compliment right there.

• 45:59Speaker 00

  I'm gonna leave in the show description, go and get your book, go and click on the link, go and buy it. Before we end, we like to end with eight quickfire questions.

• 46:06Speaker 01

  Oh, okay, so we're not fully done yet. I still get to talk.

• 46:09Speaker 00

  Oh, we've got another thirty minutes. Are you ready for this?

• 46:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:13Speaker 00

  What's a saying or phrase that makes you smile or cheers you up?

• 46:16Speaker 01

  There's perfection and imperfection. Like, it makes me just be like, okay, okay, I can do it.

• 46:23Speaker 00

  Can you give me an example of when that's happened?

• 46:26Speaker 01

  I mean, the most easy example I feel like is with cooking. Like, sometimes I add more this or more that, or it turns out a little salty, or I add more broth and it turns into soup instead of a pasta dish, right? And it feels like, and then sometimes those are the dishes that are my absolute favorite things, and I'm like, how did I do that? So probably that.

• 46:46Speaker 00

  Best compliment anyone's ever given you?

• 46:48Speaker 01

  You've got a beautiful heart. You've got a beautiful soul. Anything that speaks to characteristics, I guess.

• 46:54Speaker 00

  Hundred percent. What scares you most about yourself?

• 46:57Speaker 01

  I think how critical I can get of myself.

• 47:00Speaker 00

  Really?

• 47:00Speaker 01

  Not that that's necessarily scary to me, but if I had to pick something, you're forcing my hand.

• 47:05Speaker 00

  I'm forcing it.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  That.

• 47:07Speaker 00

  So how do you deal with online criticism sometimes?

• 47:10Speaker 01

  Ooh, um, I mean, in the beginning, because my growth was so rapid, I didn't quite understand what was happening, because before that, my social media was always this like very fun place that I got to really be myself and talk to all these people. And then when I grew so quick, obviously, that

• 47:28Speaker 00

  I should.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  brought in a lot of negative emotions and comments and hateful comments and misconceptions and like all of it, and it felt very unjust. And I was also pregnant, so I was probably a little bit more emotional than I usually am. But that was really, really hard. And then I was would cry about it. I'd be like, what do I do? Like, it really affected me on like a very, very deep level. But now, having moved through that and kind of learning more and evolving, I I I have two phones, not right now, but usually I have two phones where social media is on one.

• 48:00Speaker 00

  Well done.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  And then people that actually can have an opinion about my life that I care about will text me, right? They they could have that access if people online cannot. And I think that's kind of how I move through it now, because I feel like a lot of the times, people that leave hateful comments do not want to be corrected and do not do it to do anything but to hurt, because they're probably hurting themselves. So I just, I'm like, bless your heart. If you need to block me, I promise I won't see it.

• 48:26Speaker 00

  So can I just quickly say, what do you think about, what do you think people online would be would be surprised to learn about you?

• 48:33Speaker 01

  That I'm actually so much more than what I am online. Like, I can be funny, I can be witty, we can like have a good chat. I'm, I don't take myself too serious. I don't know. Sometimes people either think I'm like a jokester, or they think I'm like really serious, but

• 48:48Speaker 00

  No, no, I agree. You're you're, you're very funny.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 48:52Speaker 00

  You're funny.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 48:55Speaker 00

  When was the last time you cried?

• 48:57Speaker 01

  Two days ago.

• 48:58Speaker 00

  What about?

• 48:59Speaker 01

  I got, it was.

• 49:01Speaker 00

  Think you got the email about this?

• 49:03Speaker 01

  I got the email about this podcast and I couldn't believe it. I just burst into tears. I think sometimes life can feel very overwhelming. And I think when a lot of things are happening, I just can get overwhelmed sometimes and it's nice to let out. And then I'm like, okay, I'm good now. That's how I feel.

• 49:21Speaker 00

  What's something you can't let go of?

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Hmm, I feel like I'm pretty good at letting go of things.

• 49:26Speaker 00

  Great, that's a good way. That's, I'm pretty good at that. It happens, let's move on.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel like you have a period where you come to terms with it and you work through it. And then if you keep bringing it up, it just is unresolved stuff that you don't want to be carrying around.

• 49:38Speaker 00

  Helen has written her ambition.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 49:41Speaker 00

  Here we go.

• 49:43Speaker 01

  I will taste that.

• 49:45Speaker 00

  Yeah. What's your guilty pleasure?

• 49:48Speaker 01

  A pint of ice cream at the end of the night.

• 49:50Speaker 00

  What flavor?

• 49:52Speaker 01

  If it's homemade and I made the ice cream, I just made this like matcha crunchy cornflake situation that I've been devouring. Or if I have Jenny's ice cream, they do that birthday cake flavor with the sprinkles.

• 50:05Speaker 00

  I haven't had it yet. I seen it. Is it unbelievable?

• 50:08Speaker 01

  It is unbelievable. I have no self restraint, so I just have the whole pint.

• 50:14Speaker 00

  Biggest green flag?

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Emotional awareness.

• 50:18Speaker 00

  Biggest red flag?

• 50:20Speaker 01

  Not being able to communicate right. I think if you lack the skill of communicating, you better go study whatever you need to study to improve that.

• 50:29Speaker 00

  What do you like most about yourself?

• 50:31Speaker 01

  Probably that I can be very compassionate and kind. And my ambition, actually.

• 50:37Speaker 00

  Stolen it.

• 50:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I stole it right there. I just feel like I I am very hardworking and driven, and that's fun in today's day and age, I think.

• 50:47Speaker 00

  And last bonus one, if you had to pick from the book, your favorite recipe that you're cooking for me, which one is it gonna be?

• 50:53Speaker 01

  I think we should expand your palate a little. So I would make you, do you like chicken wings?

• 51:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  I'll make you the goji.

• 51:02Speaker 00

  I turned to that one just before you arrived, the sticky one.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  Yes, we're aligned. The sticky chicken wings with the like miso.

• 51:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:09Speaker 01

  Uh, like yogurty dip.

• 51:13Speaker 00

  I've got a great palate, by the way.

• 51:15Speaker 01

  You probably do. I'm just, I'm just harping on you a little.

• 51:17Speaker 00

  I really don't, I really don't have a good palate.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Oh, you eat like a toddler?

• 51:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, a little bit.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  You know, that's fine, it's comforting.

• 51:23Speaker 00

  Hmm, to watch or for me?

• 51:25Speaker 01

  Both.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  It makes it, it would make it easy for me to cook for you. I'll just make you chicken tenders.

• 51:30Speaker 00

  And I'm in. Bara, thank you for being you and being so amazing. You are fantastic company. Thank you so much.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  This was so fun.

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