JAKE SHANE: Why I Can’t Enjoy My Own Success

Jake Shane is a comedian and content creator who has quickly become one of Hollywood’s most exciting rising stars. What started as making videos at home with his friends has turned into a cult following of millions and a hit show, Therapuss with Jake Shane, where he’s interviewed everyone from Sandra Bullock to Kylie Jenner. I’ve been a fan of Jake’s for a long time and sitting down with him was so much fun. But despite having millions of followers and so much success, Jake finds it surprisingly hard to enjoy what he’s achieved. In our conversation, Jake shares: Why he struggles to enjoy his own successHis thoughts on the Vanity Fair Red Carpet dramaThe guest he was most nervous for on TherapussWhy he never felt the need to come outHis obsessed with British culture After speaking to Jake, it’s clear he has the most incredible career ahead of him, and I can’t wait to see what he does next. Eight out of eight tentacles from me. Jake Shane is Great Company. If you enjoyed the show, you can also follow us: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/greatcompanypodcast/ TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@greatcompanypodcast Jamie - https://www.instagram.com/jamielaing And if you've got thoughts, questions and comments, you can email us at: [email protected] THE CREDITS Producer: Flossie Barrett Assistant Producer: Issy Weeks-Hankins Video: Lizzie McCarthy Senior Social Media Manager: Laura Coughlan Audio: Rafi Amsili Geovannetti Production Manager: Archan Mohile Exec Producer: Ewan Newbigging-Lister Great Company is an original podcast from JamPot. Shot on Sony Cinema Line cameras FX6, FX2 with Sony G-Master lenses 16-35GM, 24-70GM Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  You get big guests.

• 0:01Speaker 01

  I do.

• 0:01Speaker 00

  Who's your worst guest?

• 0:03Speaker 01

  Well, I'll tell you, but it was they weren't nice. They were mean. And that is the only time I've ever had a bad experience.

• 0:09Speaker 00

  Who's the guest that you had you were most nervous for?

• 0:11Speaker 01

  Probably Kylie Jenner. She is so funny. She's just, she's her.

• 0:16Speaker 00

  Who's your dream guest?

• 0:17Speaker 01

  Woo, okay. Um, hi, I'm Jake Shane and I'm in great company.

• 0:22Speaker 02

  Hi pussies. TikToker turned podcaster.

• 0:25Speaker 03

  One of the funniest people on the internet. Everybody, it's Jake Shane.

• 0:29Speaker 00

  I was telling people that I'm interviewing today. People were freaking the fuck out.

• 0:32Speaker 01

  Really? It has been fast. And sometimes I, it takes a minute for me to be like, I can breathe. I would post like 17 times a day.

• 0:39Speaker 00

  So you were never nervous about posting anything?

• 0:41Speaker 01

  Now I am, because I take myself too seriously. I'm scared if I say it's going well, it'll go poorly.

• 0:46Speaker 00

  You grew up with OCD, didn't you?

• 0:47Speaker 01

  It takes like whatever I'm most anxious about and uses that as a crutch. If I do this, then um, I'll get cancelled.

• 0:54Speaker 00

  And there's an always on thing?

• 0:56Speaker 01

  Always on, always 24/7. When I find something to hyper fixate on, that's when it goes away.

• 1:02Speaker 00

  When you got some like comments about hosting?

• 1:04Speaker 01

  Family Fair. I was very hurt. There was one video that this person made that I was like, oh, I gotta really TikTok for a minute. Towards the end of the week, when the whole thing was dying down, I was acting more and more and more upset because the attention's gone now.

• 1:20Speaker 01

  I am obsessed with British culture.

• 1:22Speaker 00

  Would you want a British boyfriend?

• 1:23Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:23Speaker 00

  I feel like I could help you find your British boyfriend.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  Wait, are you being for real?

• 1:27Speaker 00

  Have you ever been in love?

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  Hey guys, welcome back to Great Company. Currently still in LA. Okay, the reason we came to LA is because we wanted to get some amazing American guests on the show. And today's guest is probably the man of the moment from Hollywood. Okay, he's a content creator. He has his own chat show on Netflix called Therapist. It's Mr. Jake Shane. Okay, I'm so excited. I've tried to get Jake on our show for a long time. And he finally agreed when he knew we were coming to LA. Okay, uh, we talk about so many different things and you probably see a side of Jake that you haven't seen before. So get ready for it. Now, if you're new to our show and you haven't subscribed already, if I can ask one favor, that is click that button. It takes one second, it's completely free, and it allows us to keep making the show better for you guys every single week. Because that's what we want to do. So join the community.

• 4:35Speaker 00

  All right, here we go. Enjoy this wild episode of Great Company with Jake Shane.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Okay, I am obsessed with British culture.

• 4:44Speaker 00

  Okay, you can ask me anything you want. Go.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  Did you watch Skins?

• 4:47Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, and you're obsessed with it now?

• 4:48Speaker 01

  I'm on season three. Did you listen to The Streets?

• 4:50Speaker 00

  Uh, yes.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 4:52Speaker 00

  Have you ever watched Made in Chelsea?

• 4:54Speaker 01

  I have.

• 4:55Speaker 00

  No fucking ways.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  I haven't. I'm so sorry. I just know, I just know that you are in it. And I didn't think that you would press more so on it, but I have not.

• 5:06Speaker 00

  You haven't even watched a scene?

• 5:07Speaker 01

  No, but I've heard it's amazing. I've heard it's amazing. People really rave about it.

• 5:11Speaker 00

  Okay, so what happens in it?

• 5:13Speaker 01

  That, it's a reality show.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  And you're like Made in Chelsea and you guys all talk about it and you fight and you raise your kids and you do the thing.

• 5:24Speaker 00

  What do you, what do you love about London?

• 5:25Speaker 01

  What do I love about London? I love how matter of fact it is. Like, it's kind of like, I feel like the culture there is like, pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and keep going.

• 5:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, bury it all.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  Like, you know, like, it's fine. Like, don't pity yourself, keep it going. We're all going through something. And I think in America, I don't know, it's just, it's different. Like, it's very like, I, I, it's very tough love. It's very tough, I would say.

• 5:53Speaker 00

  Do, do you, do you think you have British humour?

• 5:56Speaker 01

  I would hope so, but I, I don't think I do.

• 5:58Speaker 00

  I think you do.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  Really?

• 5:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you have British humour. I think that's why you cross over the pond. That's the thing. It's why the Brits love you. It's because you-

• 6:05Speaker 01

  I love the Brits.

• 6:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, because Jake, because you have this like random humour that we have.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, all my best friends are British.

• 6:12Speaker 00

  Are they?

• 6:13Speaker 01

  A lot are. My best friend Alice, her entire family is British. And like, I just like love talking about British stuff with her.

• 6:21Speaker 00

  Can I ask you a personal question?

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 6:23Speaker 00

  Would you want a British boyfriend?

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Yes. Yes. I would.

• 6:27Speaker 00

  Okay, and describe that British boyfriend to me.

• 6:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:30Speaker 00

  Okay, here we go. But really, I need you to go into detail here. I need to know what this is.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  He is six, I would take 5'11". He works in like finance, like they do in industry.

• 6:42Speaker 00

  My friends wrote that.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  Shut the fuck up.

• 6:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, my friend Mickey and Conrad-

• 6:47Speaker 01

  I know, I'm obsessed with them.

• 6:49Speaker 00

  Jake, I needed, so you love industry that much?

• 6:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:52Speaker 00

  If I was to FaceTime my friend Mickey who wrote it?

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd be shy.

• 6:56Speaker 00

  Can I, can you get my phone quickly? Oh, can you get my phone?

• 6:58Speaker 01

  No, I'd be shy.

• 6:59Speaker 00

  No, because he, Mickey will freak out.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, we TM sometimes.

• 7:03Speaker 00

  No, here we go, because I'm now stealing stuff that you do on your show.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  I'm like sweating.

• 7:07Speaker 00

  Okay, you can, you can FaceTime role model and I'll FaceTime Mickey.

• 7:12Speaker 00

  Okay, I'm gonna FaceTime Mickey. Hold on, here we go.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Okay, but I'm just gonna tell him to write me in.

• 7:16Speaker 00

  Yes, that's what I'm gonna do for him, right? Like-

• 7:18Speaker 01

  Have you been in the show?

• 7:19Speaker 00

  Yes, I have, as a cameo, because he wouldn't give me a proper role.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  What, what were you?

• 7:23Speaker 00

  I was just on a panel.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  Which, which panel?

• 7:26Speaker 00

  It was like a politics panel.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  Yes, I remember the panel. Was it the one Harper was on?

• 7:30Speaker 00

  You didn't, you don't remember?

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Was it the, was it the, was it at the, the one where Harper is like basically like fucking over Yaz and is like-

• 7:38Speaker 00

  Jake, I haven't watched that series.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Yes, you have, because you're in it.

• 7:41Speaker 00

  I only watched that one bit. I couldn't even see myself in it. I'm gonna phone Mickey. Hold on one second. I'm phoning Mickey. Here we go. Okay.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  I want to go to set, Louis. Well, he's on set, they're filming.

• 7:52Speaker 00

  Well, they, yeah, but that doesn't, of course he can pick-

• 7:54Speaker 01

  Your WhatsApp. I need to WhatsApp you guys.

• 7:56Speaker 00

  Okay, hold on.

• 7:56Speaker 01

  I really need to be a Brit. No one talked about my shirt. So we said-

• 8:00Speaker 00

  I'm gonna say that.

• 8:04Speaker 00

  I gotta say, quick, uh, quickly, I need to share. Jamie, Jake wants you to ask him about his shirt. Jake, I see you're wearing an Oasis shirt.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:12Speaker 00

  Do you love Oasis?

• 8:13Speaker 01

  So much.

• 8:14Speaker 00

  You know, you know I know Noel Gallagher. I'm gonna FaceTime it. I don't.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  I just got so excited. Which one's the more rebellious one? That was Liam, right? Liam was the more-

• 8:26Speaker 00

  Liam was the more rebellious one, but that is like, that is British culture. I just, I went to their latest concert and it was like the most insane thing in the entire-

• 8:33Speaker 01

  Well, I have, I've told about 10 different people that I'm gonna go see them live. I'm gonna go to Networth, I'm gonna go to London, and I'm gonna, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go to the one in New York and LA.

• 8:41Speaker 00

  But exactly, what is it? So you, the British culture, why is it like, have you had fish and chips?

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:46Speaker 00

  Have you had um, jelly deals?

• 8:48Speaker 01

  See, the beauty of British culture is I get to learn something new every single day. What is that?

• 8:52Speaker 00

  It's like, it's something called pie and mash. So if you're from East End, right? If you're from East End-

• 8:55Speaker 01

  See, I'm just like obsessed. Like, what?

• 8:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, East End.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Like, East End? Like, I'm just obsessed. I'm obsessed. Pie and mash? Like, I'm, but you know what? You know what? I know, um, what's the, that type of language that you guys use?

• 9:07Speaker 00

  Like Cockney?

• 9:08Speaker 01

  Yes. Like, uh-

• 9:10Speaker 00

  I'm gonna try and try, Cockney is like, oh, mate, let, let's go down the apple and pears, the stairs.

• 9:15Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah, apple and stairs. Apple and pears. Upstairs.

• 9:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's like a Cockney-

• 9:19Speaker 01

  Okay, give me another.

• 9:20Speaker 00

  Uh, dog and bone, what's that?

• 9:23Speaker 01

  Phone.

• 9:23Speaker 00

  There you freaking go.

• 9:25Speaker 01

  See?

• 9:25Speaker 00

  There we go.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  It's so fun. It's like a puzzle.

• 9:28Speaker 00

  So, so would you, so your, your boyfriend?

• 9:31Speaker 01

  Oh, yes.

• 9:31Speaker 00

  That you like?

• 9:32Speaker 01

  5'11" or up. I would settle for 5'10". Um, works like an industry job, like not in industry entertainment, like the show industry.

• 9:41Speaker 00

  Okay, so he works in, he works in, on industry?

• 9:44Speaker 01

  No, he works in finance.

• 9:45Speaker 00

  He works in finance?

• 9:46Speaker 01

  Or he's a writer, or he, or he's a writer.

• 9:48Speaker 00

  Oh, nice.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  And he just like, his whole family's from London.

• 9:53Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  They're like-

• 9:55Speaker 00

  Where do they live in London?

• 9:57Speaker 01

  I don't care.

• 9:58Speaker 00

  Okay, nice. Tattoos?

• 10:00Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 10:02Speaker 00

  Showing or not showing?

• 10:03Speaker 01

  I don't care.

• 10:04Speaker 00

  Don't care. Okay. Is he sensitive? Is he alpha? Is he-

• 10:07Speaker 01

  He's sensitive. Um, like, we're out to dinner and I say something and it hurts his feelings and he doesn't say it. And then when we're home and we're getting into bed, he's like, what you've said really hurt my feelings tonight. And we get into a really big fight. But I, like, my dream guy, like, his, like, his mom's like, um, like, oh, come on, it's cold, it's cold, it's cold, like, come inside.

• 10:30Speaker 00

  Why is it cold?

• 10:31Speaker 01

  Because it's London and it's cold. And she's like, come inside, but come on, take your coat off, it's cold. I have a roast, I have a, I have a roast for you.

• 10:40Speaker 00

  This is after dinner as well?

• 10:41Speaker 01

  No, it's, she has a roast. We have to eat.

• 10:44Speaker 00

  But even though you've had dinner, she's still got a roast on the table.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I'm like, oh, fucking, I don't want to eat it. And he's like, well, yeah, okay, like, you have to.

• 10:53Speaker 00

  And are they Yorkshire puddings?

• 10:55Speaker 01

  I love Yorkshire puddings. Those are, I, I know what it, those are like the, they're like, um, it's like a pastry.

• 11:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like a pastry.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Yes, I love Yorkshire pudding.

• 11:04Speaker 00

  It's like a, like a puff pastry with like a little hole in it. It's like a little, it's like a little mug.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  I like those.

• 11:08Speaker 00

  Without a handle.

• 11:09Speaker 01

  I like those. And I like, um, sausage rolls. I fuck with sausage rolls. It's like a huge pig in a blanket.

• 11:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:16Speaker 00

  Um, do you use dating apps?

• 11:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I use Raya. I used to use Hinge. I don't use Hinge anymore.

• 11:23Speaker 00

  Okay, what does your profile say?

• 11:25Speaker 01

  My profile? It says I still work at the job I worked at when I was twenty two. Um, I've had the same songs since I've made the profile. Um, and you can't really say much on Raya. It's just photos and then a song. And you can add places, but I don't really, I have never done that.

• 11:42Speaker 00

  You know, when I was single and younger and doing Made in Chelsea, I went to get on Raya and they rejected me.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  Really?

• 11:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  I don't know how I got onto Raya. I think I begged. I, my application had been in since I was nineteen years old. And I got approved when I was twenty two.

• 12:00Speaker 00

  Say that to me again, so I get that.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  You apply, like you can get a referral and then you apply. And it was like you're on the waitlist. And so I had to like wait. My old boss knew somebody and he, I forget his name, but he's lovely and he worked at Raya. And he got me in.

• 12:23Speaker 00

  Have you ever been in love?

• 12:24Speaker 01

  No.

• 12:25Speaker 00

  What?

• 12:26Speaker 01

  Like, I'm in love with my friends. I love my friends.

• 12:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that's maybe a different sort of love. Has anyone ever loved you?

• 12:33Speaker 01

  No, I don't think so.

• 12:34Speaker 00

  Do you wanna be in love?

• 12:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:38Speaker 00

  Can you talk about it?

• 12:39Speaker 01

  I think it requires a, a sense of vulnerability in private that I don't have.

• 12:45Speaker 00

  Wait, to talk about it or to actually do that?

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Like, it requires, um, I don't know. I would love to be in love. It sounds lovely.

• 12:54Speaker 00

  But also I imagine like, like so many people would wanna like, love you.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I would hope so. But, um, that has not been the case.

• 13:05Speaker 00

  But, but from your side?

• 13:07Speaker 01

  I think from both. I don't know. I, I, every person I want doesn't want me. And then if they want me, I don't, I, it's just like, I, I don't know. I don't think I'm ready for it.

• 13:16Speaker 00

  I feel like I could help you find your British boyfriend.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  Wait, are you being for real?

• 13:21Speaker 00

  I'm serious.

• 13:22Speaker 01

  You know what I need? I need somebody that's boring. Like somebody that doesn't care about, I want, okay, actually, you know what I need? I need somebody, regardless of British or not, that at the end of the day is so, thinks what I do is so cool, that can sit down and help me realize how cool it is. And help me be grateful and, and be like, oh my God, that's what you did today? That is so cool.

• 13:43Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  That's what I need.

• 13:45Speaker 00

  And we spoke about dating, right?

• 13:46Speaker 01

  Yes, we spoke about dating.

• 13:47Speaker 00

  I have a lot of, uh, gay friends, right, who had found it hard, like navigating coming out. What was your experience of coming out?

• 13:55Speaker 01

  Um, I came out to my mom and my dad when I was like ten. And then to everyone else, like in my freshman and sophomore year of high school. Yeah, I didn't really have an experience. The only experience I remember. Yeah, it's, it, well, that's credit to my parents, but I, um, I came out to my mom when I was ten. I just told her. And then she was super nice and then I asked for a toy and then she said no. And then when I realized that Frank Ocean, like Frank Ocean, he never really came out. He was just kind of like, well, he's gay and he never made a big. Cause I was used to celebrities making big announcements that they were gay, right? Like I was used to like Ellen DeGeneres, like, I'm gay.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  You know, like here, I'm, I'm on the cover of People and I'm gay. But Frank Ocean never said anything. And so I was like, oh, well, if he doesn't have to say anything, then why, why, what's the point in saying something? You can just kind of like live life.

• 14:50Speaker 00

  That's amazing.

• 14:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. You don't, no one, you're not owed, if someone asks you, then you can tell them. But, um, like you don't owe anyone an explanation.

• 14:59Speaker 00

  One hundred percent.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:00Speaker 00

  Oh, man, your parents sound amazing.

• 15:02Speaker 01

  That, yeah, yes. Think about who could have made me, like, think about that. I am a fifty fifty between my mom and my dad. Just, you know, really think about it. Like, I am my parents. So it's like looking, I was fighting with my dad the other day and I was like, oh my God, I'm like talking to myself.

• 15:20Speaker 00

  Cause he's a screenwriter and your mom's a journalist.

• 15:22Speaker 01

  Yes, she is. Yes. And he is as well. And yeah, she's, my mom is a very, very, and they're both very talented.

• 15:28Speaker 00

  What did they teach you?

• 15:29Speaker 01

  My dad taught me about what's important in life.

• 15:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Like, um, and not worrying about things that don't matter. But I don't, don't listen to him in the moment and I wish I did. And I, and I get a lot of my comedic timing from my dad.

• 15:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  Um, I get a lot of my gossipy and inquisitiveness from my mom. And I get a lot of like, well, this is life and it kind of sucks.

• 15:57Speaker 00

  And then just move on.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  Life is unfair.

• 15:59Speaker 00

  Life is unfair. Deal with it.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  Deal with it.

• 16:01Speaker 00

  Are you close to them?

• 16:01Speaker 01

  Very close.

• 16:02Speaker 00

  I'm very close with my parents, like especially like with my mom, she's incredible. And I like feel very lucky that I'm still close to them, cause a lot of people are not close to their families and everything.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  I know, yeah.

• 16:15Speaker 00

  Were they proud of you when you came out then?

• 16:17Speaker 01

  When I came out as gay?

• 16:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  Um, yes, but then that was it.

• 16:22Speaker 00

  Cause, cause normally like in, in that experience, right, from my understanding, it's like the reverse. You tell your friends and then you tell your parents, but you were just so happy to go and say that, which is kind of beautiful.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  Because like, well, like my mom knew, like I had a Justin Bieber themed birthday, like I was like, she knew what was going on.

• 16:38Speaker 00

  What were you like as a kid?

• 16:40Speaker 01

  You know, I was talking about this the other day. I was a pretty angry kid.

• 16:42Speaker 00

  Really?

• 16:43Speaker 01

  I think I was angry and I was funny. I, I, you know what?

• 16:47Speaker 00

  Outwardly angry or inwardly angry?

• 16:49Speaker 01

  I am, I am the same exact person that I was as a kid, kind of, a little bit. I'm just a tad more confident now. I'm a tad calmer. I was really hyper. I was really anxious. I was just kind of like bouncing.

• 17:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, like, like if you gotta bounce, people are thrown into.

• 17:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a perfect way to describe me as a child.

• 17:09Speaker 00

  But how did you, how did your anger come out? What do you mean by angry?

• 17:12Speaker 01

  At home, like I would fight with my parents all the time.

• 17:15Speaker 00

  Really?

• 17:16Speaker 01

  About everything.

• 17:17Speaker 00

  I also was a little bit of an angry kid, but I don't know what it's from. And sometimes I think about it a lot, right? Like, I don't know where that frustration came from. I don't understand where it came from. But I used to, the way I used to release my anger is I used to steal things.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 17:30Speaker 00

  From my parents. I used to steal keys.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  I stole things from my parents. I stole money.

• 17:34Speaker 00

  But insecure kid or no?

• 17:35Speaker 01

  Very, still am.

• 17:37Speaker 00

  And what, in what ways?

• 17:40Speaker 01

  I don't know. I was just, I think I was insecure about how much money my family had, cause I went to a private school with a lot of really wealthy kids. I was really insecure about like being the best, so like making sure I got into this college. I was really insecure. I was just insecure.

• 17:56Speaker 00

  It's interesting, right? I think we're all kind of insecure is like when we're younger, but it's ways that we like deal with it, right? And what I found is when I left school, that's when I was really able to find myself much easier, right?

• 18:08Speaker 01

  I found myself, yeah, you know what? I found myself completely when I left college.

• 18:13Speaker 00

  Really?

• 18:13Speaker 01

  So like when I left college, that's when I really began to find myself, cause I was able to kind of suppress the insecurity in college. But like I would go out. That was like where I felt the most secure. Like at a party, like out with my friends, drunk. I was like dancing, like that's when I felt the best.

• 18:31Speaker 00

  Cause you met your group, you met your like crowd, right?

• 18:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I also felt cool. I think I was really insecure about not being cool.

• 18:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, but why is that a thing? I don't like, I had that as well.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  I don't know. I think it was just the TV I watched. I wanted to be like the people I watched on TV. Like I would watch Gossip Girl, nine oh two one oh. Like I wanted to be like, I wanted to have those like extravagant, crazy lives. And my life just like was kind of mundane.

• 18:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, but explain that to me. But why? What did that make you think? You would sit at home and you'd watch something like Gossip Girl or whatever. Why? Because you thought what?

• 19:00Speaker 01

  I thought they were cool.

• 19:01Speaker 00

  You thought they were cool and you felt like you weren't inwardly?

• 19:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  But then I would have moments where I'm like, no, I'm cool. And then I would have something like, I was still like, my confidence was like standing on like a, like a stilt.

• 19:13Speaker 00

  What do you think, what do you think friendship means to you?

• 19:15Speaker 01

  Ooh, okay. Um, what do I think friendship means for, to me? Showing up, be loyalty, keeping a secret. I always say friendship to me is like, um, like if my friend does something bad, it's like I'll be, I'll tell, I'll have your back. But I'll tell you that it's, what you've done is bad. But I'll still have your back. Like it's not leaving someone in like a time of toughness.

• 19:41Speaker 00

  You champion your friends so much. Like you bring them into your world and they love you.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  They are my world.

• 19:47Speaker 00

  They are your world.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, they are my world. It's your chosen family.

• 19:50Speaker 00

  It's your chosen family that you have and you're just truthful and honest with each other.

• 19:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, very truthful, very honest. Lots of fights.

• 19:57Speaker 00

  Who's your best friend?

• 19:58Speaker 01

  I have like a group. I have a group of people. It's like Brett, Alice, Julia, Peyton. Um, those are my best friends.

• 20:06Speaker 00

  Cause I think the, the biggest thing, right, is that your friends need to champion your success, which is like the coolest thing in the entire world.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's awesome.

• 20:12Speaker 00

  Like, how do people, especially within that cycle, champion not, don't become jealous or envious? They just want success for you, which is kind of amazing.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  Well, I'm very jealous.

• 20:22Speaker 00

  Are you?

• 20:23Speaker 01

  Yes. The two things can exist at once. Like you can feel something, but still behave a certain way. Being jealous is like, you're only human. So like, of course I'm gonna feel jealous from time to time. Or like insecure or whatever. But like, you can be jealous and still show up.

• 20:41Speaker 00

  So when you were younger, who were you jealous of?

• 20:43Speaker 01

  I don't know. I was a jealous kid. I'm still jealous.

• 20:45Speaker 00

  How can you be jealous now?

• 20:47Speaker 01

  I know, right? I know.

• 20:49Speaker 00

  So tell me back. So you, you go to university, you find your friendship group. You then, for people who in the UK who are watching this don't know, right? You then leave and what happens next when you leave university, when you leave college?

• 21:01Speaker 01

  I'm working at a record label.

• 21:02Speaker 00

  Uh huh. And it's called?

• 21:03Speaker 01

  It's called Ten K Projects. And it was the best experience of my entire life. And, um, I worked there in college as well. I interned in college. And then I was just posting TikTok simultaneously and my boss at the time was like, if anything ever happens, I'll manage you. And then.

• 21:23Speaker 00

  He said that.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. And now he's my manager.

• 21:26Speaker 00

  That's amazing.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a pretty cool story.

• 21:29Speaker 00

  Your growth is like so fricking wicked. Like.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 21:34Speaker 00

  It is amazing, especially, and I know in the US, people know you right, but in the UK, like you have such an amazing audience. And it's kind of amazing because the, the growth, the way you are, has just been so fast. Like you were one minute posting videos.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  No, it feel, no, I appreciate you saying that, um, cause it has been fast. And sometimes I, it takes a minute for me to be like, okay, like it has, like I can, I can breathe for a second.

• 22:01Speaker 00

  What was the first video that you posted that you were like, oh my God, this is like, it's suddenly started to get traction?

• 22:06Speaker 01

  Um, it was a video about how the US was going into a recession. I honestly wonder if it's still up. It's definitely up, but it basically was just like, I said something like, I can't. Or like something, I was just like, I can't deal. That was it. And then I got, that was like my first video that I was like, oh, this is like kind of viral. And then I kept posting stitches. I would do stitches.

• 22:29Speaker 00

  And then they just kept getting traction and traction and traction.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  No, a lot of the, I would post like 17 times a day. I had a nightmare about my old post the other day.

• 22:36Speaker 00

  Are you kidding me?

• 22:37Speaker 01

  Yes, I would post like seventeen.

• 22:39Speaker 00

  Seventeen times a day?

• 22:40Speaker 01

  Seventy times a day. I used to do a series where I would try to get plastic straws. And I would like, if a place didn't give me a plastic straw, I would go and I'd take a video of me not getting a straw. And then I would take a video of me going to get this, like, like I would go into the coffee shop. They would be like, we don't have straws. I would get that and then I would go into another restaurant and get a straw from that restaurant in order to drink my coffee. And though that was like four videos. And then I would put, I used to do this thing where I would eat lunch and I would post like lunch. I would lunch every day and I would post what I was eating for lunch.

• 23:15Speaker 00

  So you were never nervous about posting anything?

• 23:17Speaker 01

  No, but now I am because I take myself too seriously.

• 23:20Speaker 00

  What?

• 23:20Speaker 01

  Yes, or else I'd post as much as I did. But now I'm like, no, now that, now I need to.

• 23:27Speaker 00

  So funny, this is like, I spoke to someone the other day, right? They're a comedian, they're amazing. And she said.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  Who was it?

• 23:33Speaker 00

  It was called Catherine Ryan, do you know Catherine Ryan? She's a Canadian comedian, she's amazing. Anyway, I chatted to her and she was like, the first time I ever went to do my first comedy gig. She was driving with the tour manager and the tour manager said to her, said, by the way, this is going to be the funnest time of your career. This is the best part. And she said, why? She said, because everything is exciting. Everything is unknown. Everything is here.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  I've never been excited.

• 23:57Speaker 00

  Jake, what?

• 23:58Speaker 01

  I'm just anxious and I, and that anxiety manifests in like anger and I get angry and I get excited for like external things. I get excited for like album releases, stuff that doesn't have to do with me, I get really excited for. When it has to do with me, I get anxious. But sometimes I think I am excited and that manifests as anxiety and I just can't tell the difference.

• 24:19Speaker 00

  Really?

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I actually know that that is the case.

• 24:24Speaker 00

  So Jake, you can't enjoy the success that you're having?

• 24:27Speaker 01

  Well, I'm just scared of it going away. So I'd like, I'd like, like to make sure that everything is locked down.

• 24:34Speaker 00

  Buddy, you know it's not gonna go away.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  Well, it could.

• 24:36Speaker 00

  Jake, are you fucking kidding me? It's going nowhere.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  Please.

• 24:40Speaker 00

  Are you, it's no, it's only going one way.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  I hope.

• 24:43Speaker 00

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna build you up right now. You're charming, you're fun, you're smart, you're funny as hell. You're super talented at what you do, 100%. You kidding me? 100% you are. Like, I, I saw you do an interview the other day talking about how you want to be the next late night show host. Right, that's what you want to do.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:00Speaker 00

  100% you'll do that. Because this is, you're that talent that, that is refreshing and exciting. And coming even from the UK, this isn't from like a US person, this is a UK looking in. Man, you're crushing it.

• 25:11Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 25:12Speaker 00

  And it's only gonna keep going.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  I hope so.

• 25:14Speaker 00

  So you don't, you don't give affirmations in the mirror and tell yourself that you're doing, like you're doing.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  No, because I'm scared if I say it's going well, it'll go poorly.

• 25:23Speaker 00

  Did you know when you were younger that you were going to be famous?

• 25:26Speaker 01

  No, but I always wanted to be.

• 25:28Speaker 00

  And what was it, what was the obsession with fame?

• 25:30Speaker 01

  Validation.

• 25:32Speaker 00

  Again, self-awareness, I love it.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  But we all feel it. I think everyone's self-aware. I think a lot of people just don't say it out loud.

• 25:38Speaker 00

  What happens is, in my experience, right, is when you, when you're like wanting that validation and then you become famous, you realize that doesn't quite fill the hole that you thought it was gonna fill.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  It fills nothing.

• 25:50Speaker 00

  It fills nothing. So you felt that? When you were doing your theater show, did you not feel then that you were present and like enjoying?

• 25:58Speaker 01

  I was, that was the best time of my entire life.

• 26:00Speaker 00

  But, and explain why.

• 26:02Speaker 01

  Everything was just like up for me at the moment, at that moment. Like I felt cute, I was working out, I, I had such, I had a routine. And I was seeing this guy that I thought I was obsessed with. But I wasn't, it's fine. But I was seeing this guy, I was on Broadway.

• 26:18Speaker 00

  And so you were in this moment, and do you think a part of it as well is because you were on stage and getting that validation as well?

• 26:23Speaker 01

  Of course. And it was eight times a week and the cast was amazing. And I just felt special. I felt like the belle of the ball.

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• 28:11Speaker 00

  You, you grew up with OCD, didn't you? How does your OCD manifest itself? How does it come out?

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Uh, it's like magical thinking. So it's like, if I do this, then I'll get canceled. If I'll do this, like some, like you have to do this or you'll, everything will go away, your friends will leave you. It takes like whatever I'm most anxious about and holds on to that and then uses that as a crutch. As if I don't listen to it, then that thing that I'm so scared of will happen.

• 28:36Speaker 00

  Really?

• 28:36Speaker 01

  So like in high school, it was like, you won't get into USC. When I worked at a job, it was, you're gonna get fired. And now it's like, you're gonna get fired, but in like, you'll get fired like publicly via cancellation.

• 28:50Speaker 00

  Are you kidding me? That, and this is always on thing?

• 28:53Speaker 01

  Always on, always 24/7. I wake up and think about it. I'm thinking about it right now.

• 28:57Speaker 00

  There's never a moment where it doesn't go away?

• 28:59Speaker 01

  No. When I find something to hyper fixate on, that's when it goes away.

• 29:03Speaker 00

  How do you manage the OCD?

• 29:05Speaker 01

  I, I'm on meds and I, I'm in therapy. Therapy helps, medication is really helpful. I'm on Luvox. They tried to put me on Wellbutrin and I tried Wellbutrin, but it made me so fucking manic. Like I've never been so manic in my entire life and I knew it in the moment that I was so manic.

• 29:24Speaker 00

  Jake, how do you deal with like negative comments?

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Uh, not well.

• 29:29Speaker 00

  Really?

• 29:30Speaker 01

  No, how do you deal with negative comments?

• 29:32Speaker 00

  I ignore them.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  I can't.

• 29:34Speaker 00

  Are you serious?

• 29:35Speaker 01

  Yes, or else if no one cares, then what's?

• 29:37Speaker 00

  But people, Jake, I, I need you to know this, people care. Man, you, you, you're great. You, you are.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Thank you, thank you. I, I appreciate it, I appreciate it. I just, I feel like they, I don't know.

• 29:50Speaker 00

  Do you obsess over them?

• 29:52Speaker 01

  Um, I don't obsess over negative comments. I obsess when something is out of my control.

• 30:00Speaker 00

  Okay, because you need to be in control in order.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Of the situation, everything at all times.

• 30:04Speaker 00

  So, so do you read the comments? Do you go on Reddit? Do you go on different?

• 30:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 30:07Speaker 00

  You don't do that?

• 30:08Speaker 01

  I don't touch Reddit.

• 30:10Speaker 00

  But did you used to?

• 30:11Speaker 01

  I used to. And now I don't touch Twitter. My thing is like, if I wasn't who I was, I would be reading Reddit. I'd be interested.

• 30:22Speaker 00

  About yourself and about other people, right?

• 30:24Speaker 01

  I think, I think so, yeah. It's like, it's like a tabloid.

• 30:28Speaker 00

  So wait, if someone is listening right now and they're dealing with maybe that negative comments and maybe it's from school or whatever, what do you say to that person? Like, kind of someone who obsesses over it, how do you stop that?

• 30:36Speaker 01

  Oh, you can't, sucks.

• 30:40Speaker 01

  I would say it sucks. You're allowed to feel like it sucks. It's not the whole world. You, everything feels like so important in the moment and it's very hard to be like in 10 years, I won't care. But really, really, I was watching TikToks the other night, I was super anxious about something. And someone made a TikTok and they were like, you know, like Hillary Duff says, come tomorrow, it'll be so yesterday.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  And sometimes it's as simple as that. It really, it really will be so yesterday. I think about stuff.

• 31:11Speaker 00

  You just use a Hilary Duff quote. That's, I love that.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  It cause her music stands the test of time. And, um, but really come tomorrow, it will be so yesterday.

• 31:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, it will do. And also things are a storm in a teacup, right?

• 31:25Speaker 01

  What?

• 31:25Speaker 00

  Things are like, well, they say it's a storm in a teacup. When something's happening in your world, you feel like it's a storm. But actually, in the grand scheme of things, it's only a small time teacup.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, you live in a bubble.

• 31:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  You live in a bubble. You really do, and it's so crazy.

• 31:40Speaker 00

  Can I, can I ask you then? Cause I heard you talk about it. Is when you got some like comments about hosting the.

• 31:47Speaker 01

  Vanity Fair.

• 31:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, Vanity Fair thing. You said that was really painful for you.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  It was really painful, but you wanna know something weird about my team makes fun of me for?

• 31:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  When it, at, towards the end of the week, when the whole thing was dying down, I was acting more and more and more upset. And they were like, you're upset because you, the attention's gone now.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  And I was like, no. And they were like, yes. Like I was more upset towards the end of the week when the attention was gone. Like the morning when it happened, I was like, uh, I, I actually handled it quite well in the mo, but I was very hurt. There was one video that this person made that I was like, oh, I gotta delete TikTok for a minute.

• 32:32Speaker 00

  Wait, what did they say?

• 32:33Speaker 01

  They said, um, ugh, it was like, I, I don't even wanna give them the time of day, but it was just like the nastiest read. Like the comments were like, oh, I love Jake, but like this was nasty.

• 32:44Speaker 00

  Are you serious?

• 32:45Speaker 01

  Yes, but it was because it was nasty and all my friends were like, oh, sell that one. And I had to delete TikTok. But then once you delete it, it's gone.

• 32:53Speaker 00

  Once you delete it's gone. And what you said is so brilliant is that like it, it, it's some people who are doing that are doing it because they're getting clicks and they're getting validation from it, right?

• 33:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:02Speaker 00

  And so you've got to put that into your head. It's like they're doing it because they're getting their validation that they need.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, but then it makes you wanna hit them. Cause it's like, you're hurting my feelings at the expense of just getting attention for yourself. And that's annoying.

• 33:15Speaker 00

  But you don't look at all the amazing comments that you do get. So the, the negative ones are tiny, but all the amazing.

• 33:20Speaker 01

  A lot of the time, people don't comment amazing things. You, you're not like opening to comment, loved this. Like, you know, like you'll send it to your friend and be like, loved this. Uh, you know?

• 33:32Speaker 00

  Listen, from my side, I thought you were amazing.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 33:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, I truly did. And I think it's like the new age of presenting that like, isn't the look down the camera and you have to be shiny and all this. There's this sort of like scrappy way of doing it in like the best kind of way. And I think that's what people want.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  They do. It's, it's real.

• 33:49Speaker 00

  It's real, right? Like when you talk about like your podcast, right? The way that you talk about it is that people don't wanna have like a structured, here are the questions I'm gonna answer. They wanna hear a conversation between friends.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 34:00Speaker 00

  And it, you then go on different places.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  I think a lot of the frustration and a lot of the criticism lies in the fact that, uh, like I'm not like holding someone at gunpoint to do my podcast. It's a mutual agreement. And I think people are angry because they want the celebrities to be in like a Barbara Walters-esque environment. And like, now that like they feel like the celebrity has the option of opting out of that, like they're angry about that. And it's like, well, then, and they blame it on the shows that are able to host the celebrity in a comfortable environment.

• 34:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, because that's where they feel safe, right?

• 34:45Speaker 01

  It's not my fucking fault.

• 34:46Speaker 00

  No, it's fricking not.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  It's not.

• 34:48Speaker 00

  But Jake, you get big guests.

• 34:50Speaker 01

  I do.

• 34:51Speaker 00

  It is crazy.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  I do. I'm pretty shameless about it though. Like in, in terms of like asking people.

• 34:56Speaker 00

  Jake, every single week I see you post, I'm like, fuck, he's done it again.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  Thank you. I feel just as cool and special when they agree to come on the show.

• 35:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, but it's, and also I hear that you, you just had Daisy Edgar Jones.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  Oh, I did. And she, and we.

• 35:07Speaker 00

  She's the greatest.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  She's the greatest.

• 35:09Speaker 00

  She's the greatest.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  We were super gagged about Daisy. Still are. She's the best. And by the way, nicest person ever. We talked about skins.

• 35:17Speaker 00

  Who's your dream guest?

• 35:18Speaker 01

  Taylor Swift or Jennifer Lawrence?

• 35:20Speaker 00

  And you think attainable?

• 35:22Speaker 01

  And you can never think attainable.

• 35:24Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 35:25Speaker 01

  Because then your expectations get set and they'll, if you, and then something will happen along the way. You have to have your expectations to the floor at all times.

• 35:33Speaker 00

  What?

• 35:34Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 35:35Speaker 00

  You know.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  At least I do.

• 35:37Speaker 00

  Okay, who's your worst guest?

• 35:41Speaker 01

  Well, I'll tell you, but we'll just cut it or bleep it. It was ****. They weren't nice. I didn't like them. They were mean. It's, by the way, and that is the only time I've ever had a bad experience. The only time I've ever had a bad experience. If, if they never came on and you asked me, who's your worst guest? I wouldn't have an answer for you. Cause everyone's been so lovely and so.

• 36:00Speaker 00

  Did you say to them, you're a fucking asshole?

• 36:03Speaker 01

  No.

• 36:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  It was kinda like done with it.

• 36:06Speaker 00

  The most annoying thing, when I first started doing my show, I had a guest. Have you ever watched, uh, we can bleep this. Have you ever watched **** TV? Okay, one of the main people from that.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  And they were just not nice?

• 36:14Speaker 00

  Horrible.

• 36:14Speaker 01

  Really? In what sense?

• 36:16Speaker 00

  Uh, just rude, um, mean. They, they like made fun of my candy company.

• 36:21Speaker 01

  What?

• 36:21Speaker 00

  I, and when you say that, you're dead to me.

• 36:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, if they made fun of your candy company, then I would just be like, you can.

• 36:29Speaker 00

  You can fucking.

• 36:30Speaker 01

  You can leave. You, you're coming on my show.

• 36:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, but then what I didn't, because I'm such a people pleaser.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:35Speaker 00

  Is I didn't say anything. And then afterwards, they sent an email to our team and said, can you cut out all the bits that I was a C U N T? That's all the email said.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  Oh, that's so Brit, are they British?

• 36:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:48Speaker 00

  But I'm annoyed I didn't say anything.

• 36:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:50Speaker 00

  You know, because I, and then I felt like I had been like abused. I was like, why have I not said something?

• 36:56Speaker 01

  Well, now you know for next time.

• 36:58Speaker 00

  A hundred percent. Do you ever get nervous before doing an, an episode?

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Every time.

• 37:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's weird, isn't it?

• 37:03Speaker 01

  Well, I'm just like, you only got one time with them. You can't really do it again. And I just get anxious.

• 37:09Speaker 00

  Who was the, who's the guest that you had you were most nervous for?

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Probably Kylie Jenner. I was really nervous for Kylie Jenner, but that was, ended up being the best one of all time.

• 37:19Speaker 00

  Why? Why was it the best one? Because?

• 37:20Speaker 01

  Because she is so funny.

• 37:24Speaker 00

  Really? And so you just bounce like.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  She was just making, she was cracking me up. Like she's just so, she's such a star. Like she's just, she's her.

• 37:34Speaker 00

  And I find it weird, right? Cause you're the same as me, like, I don't know if you're the same as you, but I'm assuming. The reason why I love doing this. Is because I love celebrities and I like admiring them. And so then when you meet someone like Kylie Jenner, you're like, I've loved you and now I'm interviewing you and you're great.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:51Speaker 00

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• 38:56Speaker 00

  What is your proudest moment of your career so far? Apart from the Broadway show?

• 39:00Speaker 01

  When my show was on Netflix and I saw it on Netflix for the first time. That was really cool. That was really, really cool.

• 39:07Speaker 00

  What, what happens when the email comes in?

• 39:09Speaker 01

  It was a call. And it was the night before Thanksgiving.

• 39:13Speaker 00

  Sounds like a book, The Night Before Thanksgiving.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, and my manager called me, they presented the deal. Basically like obvi, it was like knowing that I was gonna say yes. And, um, I said yes, and that was like a very, when I saw, but the proudest moment was when I saw, when you were, when I looked it up on Netflix and it was there.

• 39:36Speaker 00

  Like, what did that make you feel like?

• 39:37Speaker 01

  I was on Broadway at the time.

• 39:39Speaker 00

  Wow, so that combination, it's like everything's popping.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  And I was, I was seeing a boy, I was on Broadway.

• 39:45Speaker 01

  I was on Netflix and I just bought my first Birkin. And I was really like waving that thing around New York. Every single day I would walk up to the theater, Birkin, and I would put like, I like walk as if there was someone like a paparazzi taking my photo. So every, I would get out of the car like this with my Birkin. There was no one there ever, but I would walk.

• 40:07Speaker 00

  Get out and.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  No, I would, I would walk like, no, not covering my face, cause I want them to take my photo. I'd be like, like I'd be like posing mid-walk. My, the walk is from here to there.

• 40:17Speaker 00

  Hang on, Jake, hold on, Mickey's phoning me. Shit. Hi Mickey. Hi Mickey, how are you? I'm good, how are you? Mickey, Mickey, I'm on, I'm on my podcast at the moment in L.A.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  You're beet red.

• 40:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I have, I have a big, a huge fan of yours sitting opposite me. Oh no, who is it? Okay, well, he, he can hear you, cause he's right here.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  Mickey, it's me. It's me, Mickey.

• 40:43Speaker 00

  Oh, take shade.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  Mickey, how are you?

• 40:48Speaker 00

  I'm gonna, like, he has a question to ask you, Mickey. Hold on, here's Jake, I'm gonna pass him over.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  Oh, no, I can't ask him, cause what is he gonna, what is he gonna say? No? I really want a cameo in this season.

• 40:57Speaker 00

  I know, Jake, you already asked me.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  I know.

• 41:04Speaker 00

  We're working on it.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Do you swear?

• 41:07Speaker 00

  Yes, we're working on it. Actually, I was gonna offer you a cameo, but then Ben.

• 41:09Speaker 05

  Plat ended up taking it.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Actually, you know, I don't even wanna hear it cuz I didn't even get the audition for that. And I knew that there was an audition for that and I didn't even get the audition.

• 41:19Speaker 05

  You're too good looking.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  Okay, thanks. So I, you know what? That I'll take. But I'll take anything like an extra. I just wanna visit set one day. One day.

• 41:29Speaker 05

  Oh, easily. Okay, fine. I'm working on it.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  Okay, I wanna visit set.

• 41:33Speaker 05

  Okay, well, let me make that happen. That's easy.

• 41:35Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, Mickey, I need to ask you a question.

• 41:37Speaker 05

  I want you to be in it. It's the last season. Jamie's already been in it.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  I know.

• 41:42Speaker 00

  My cameo was shit. Mickey, my cameo was shit.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  You know, he's never seen, he didn't watch the last season.

• 41:49Speaker 05

  Still on camera talking, Jamie. It wasn't in the cameo.

• 41:51Speaker 00

  Mickey, Mickey, it was like, it was like for a couple of seconds.

• 41:56Speaker 05

  What do you think it was gonna be?

• 41:57Speaker 00

  I thought I was gonna have like a monologue. Are you joking? I thought it was gonna be like a long.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  This is why I love British people so much.

• 42:03Speaker 05

  Jamie Laing presents.

• 42:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, I, I, like, I think you've missed a trick by not casting.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  Where are you guys filming?

• 42:11Speaker 05

  Cardiff, Cardiff.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  Where is that?

• 42:14Speaker 05

  It's in Wales.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Oh, I wanna go to Wales so badly. Isn't that where they shot Game of Thrones?

• 42:19Speaker 05

  No, it's Northern Ireland.

• 42:21Speaker 01

  Right, okay. Let me hand you back to Jamie.

• 42:24Speaker 00

  All right, Mickey, um.

• 42:26Speaker 05

  Jake, Jake, Jake, this is, this is, this is definitely the most persuasive you've been.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  Please, please, please, I'll be, please, please. I'm just asking, please.

• 42:38Speaker 00

  Um, Mickey, and, and listen, if you write in Jake, then you have to write in me again.

• 42:44Speaker 05

  Jamie, I, I think we did you dirty. We'll write you in again.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  Mickey, I'll quit.

• 42:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  To everyone. Well, actually, no, I don't wanna tell that back. But I'll quit my job after, after I do a cameo in industry. I'll be, I'll be fine quitting.

• 42:57Speaker 00

  And if you.

• 42:58Speaker 05

  What job?

• 42:59Speaker 00

  What job?

• 43:00Speaker 01

  And I know that's right. And I know that's right.

• 43:04Speaker 00

  Mickey, if you need me to do a naked scene, I'll do it.

• 43:08Speaker 05

  Okay, wow, okay, wow.

• 43:10Speaker 00

  I'll leave it there.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  Well, that's.

• 43:11Speaker 05

  Jake, were you doing naked scene?

• 43:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, he was.

• 43:14Speaker 01

  For industry, yes. But as long as it's like.

• 43:17Speaker 05

  Guys, I want you both to be in the same scene.

• 43:19Speaker 00

  All right.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I, okay, well, we can sidebar about this, but I, I know what I would want my naked scene to be.

• 43:25Speaker 05

  I didn't realize there were that many people with you.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  No, he has a whole, it's a whole thing.

• 43:30Speaker 00

  All right, Mickey, we love you. We'll see you later.

• 43:31Speaker 05

  All right, love you. Bye.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  I love his glasses. I wish I had signature glasses.

• 43:37Speaker 00

  By the way, um, this is gonna happen.

• 43:40Speaker 01

  I really hope so.

• 43:41Speaker 00

  Hey, listen, also, I gotta mention your candy brand.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  Yes, well, your candy brand.

• 43:46Speaker 00

  What, have you tried my candy brand?

• 43:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  I have.

• 43:51Speaker 00

  You have?

• 43:51Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 43:52Speaker 00

  I've tried.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  They, they talk about you in all the meetings.

• 43:54Speaker 00

  Okay, I, I, I, I've, your one?

• 43:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's fire, huh?

• 43:59Speaker 00

  It is fire.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  It's good.

• 44:01Speaker 00

  No, no, Jake, I like, I'm not kidding you. Okay, I haven't told you this, by the way. You, you may not know this, so with the candy, at the very, like, beginning of it, I said they should, they should work with you.

• 44:14Speaker 01

  So.

• 44:15Speaker 00

  It was me, I, I had, we had a.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  So you're the, you're to thank.

• 44:19Speaker 00

  I swear to God, you can ask, I said, Bastian said to me, who's the star in America? I swear to God, who's the star in America that you think is gonna keep going and going and going and that we should work with?

• 44:30Speaker 01

  This is the nicest thing you've said to me all day.

• 44:32Speaker 00

  And I said you should work with Jake Shane.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, that is so nice. Thank you.

• 44:36Speaker 00

  I, I swear to God. And then look at the success cuz it sold out on Target.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  But it's good. It's, it's really good. I love.

• 44:42Speaker 00

  It's very good.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Well, because my agent was, they were trying to get me to, I was meeting with someone, they were trying to get me to start a brand.

• 44:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  And towards the tail end of the meeting, they were like, this German candy brand, Katches, is looking for a US partner. And I was like, well, I'll do that. I love Katches and I, I do. They, like, wait, I couldn't get them. It was like a thing. It was like, my house was obsessed with this German candy that my roommate Brett brought home one day three years ago.

• 45:04Speaker 00

  And it's, and it's the best candy.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  It's the best candy.

• 45:06Speaker 00

  And, and your candy, like, we just tried to go to Target the day to get it.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  Was it sold out?

• 45:10Speaker 00

  It is sold out.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Good.

• 45:12Speaker 00

  Like, no, but Jake, you have to understand this, like,

• 45:16Speaker 00

  like, the growth of your brand in the US is crazy. It's, that does not happen.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  The product is so good.

• 45:23Speaker 00

  Yes, but also you're attached to it. Come on, you give yourself some, like, you're attached to it. The marketing is amazing. It tastes amazing. It's, it's like, and I rarely say this. It's, could be one of my favorite candy out there.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  I just want it to be an American staple and I want people to not, I, I want it to be so good. Like, I don't know who makes Sour Podge Kids and I want that to be the case with this. Like, I don't want people to, one day I want it to be so successful that people will be like, oh, I didn't even know. Like, did you know that Ashton, Ashton Kutcher, um, invested in Uber in the early stages?

• 45:55Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 45:57Speaker 00

  But why is that relevant?

• 45:58Speaker 01

  Because.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  Cuz Uber did so well.

• 46:02Speaker 00

  This is your Uber?

• 46:03Speaker 01

  This is my Uber.

• 46:06Speaker 01

  This is my, I'm dead ass, this is my Uber.

• 46:08Speaker 00

  Can I, can I, Jake, what is your Everest? Like, what is your, what is your, like, thing that you wanted, like, if you, if you were to die, God forbid,

• 46:19Speaker 00

  next year, two years, three years, whatever it is, what would you wanna achieve before that happened?

• 46:24Speaker 01

  Hmm. I, I'd probably wanna do Broadway again. I'd probably wanna be in a movie. No. I think

• 46:36Speaker 01

  I'd wanna be in a movie or a TV show. Um, or be on Broadway again.

• 46:41Speaker 00

  Really?

• 46:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then have it be well received. Have people be like, good job. You did a good job. You were great.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  I want, like, critical praise, one time before I die. That's what I want. I want an article, like, talking about how amazing I am.

• 46:57Speaker 00

  That's it?

• 46:58Speaker 01

  That's what I would love. Yeah. Like a, like a five star review from The Guardian or something.

• 47:07Speaker 00

  I think that's gonna happen.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  I hope so.

• 47:08Speaker 00

  I know it's gonna happen.

• 47:09Speaker 01

  I hope so.

• 47:10Speaker 00

  I can feel it's gonna happen.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  I hope so. And I would frame it and read it.

• 47:13Speaker 00

  Can I say, Jake?

• 47:16Speaker 00

  But you're great.

• 47:17Speaker 01

  Really? Thank you.

• 47:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm gonna say thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it.

• 47:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're great. And you're like, you're like a breath of fresh air when it comes to, like, interviewing someone.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  Really?

• 47:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, a hundred percent. Because normally.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  That's one of the best compliments I've ever gotten.

• 47:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, because you're, cuz you're random in the best way.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:34Speaker 00

  I'll be honest with you, right? I'm trying to, like, find a lane to go down, right?

• 47:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 47:37Speaker 00

  And that can be, I don't know, about work or business or relationships or life or whatever it is. But with you, it's like a, it's like a bouncy ball. You can just go here to here to here to here. And I love that. And so as a someone to, like, chat with, you would be the greatest person to sit next to at a dinner party.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, we would talk a lot of shit.

• 47:56Speaker 00

  We would talk a lot of shit.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  A lot of shit.

• 47:59Speaker 00

  And I can't wait to do it.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  I know, we should.

• 48:01Speaker 00

  Jake, man, listen, you're the greatest. Thank you so much for coming on. We'd like to finish the episode with eight quickfire questions.

• 48:06Speaker 01

  I would love a rapid fire.

• 48:08Speaker 00

  Here we go. What is a saying or phrase that makes you smile or cheers you up?

• 48:12Speaker 01

  Anything British.

• 48:14Speaker 00

  Best compliment anyone's ever given you?

• 48:17Speaker 01

  What, one was today when you said I was, like, very refreshing to interview.

• 48:20Speaker 00

  So refreshing.

• 48:21Speaker 01

  That was a nice compliment. Um, anytime someone tells me I've lost weight,

• 48:27Speaker 01

  that are serious.

• 48:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's great.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's the best compliment ever.

• 48:30Speaker 00

  When someone says, cuz you look really skinny. You look, are you okay?

• 48:32Speaker 01

  You have lost half of you.

• 48:35Speaker 00

  Thank God.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  Like, you have lost half of you. You look so fucking skinny.

• 48:39Speaker 00

  Great.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  Oh, my, like, it's crack.

• 48:44Speaker 00

  What scares you most about yourself?

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Um, my ability to handle crisis.

• 48:48Speaker 00

  I, I can imagine that.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:50Speaker 01

  I'm sure.

• 48:51Speaker 00

  Zombie apocalypse, what are you doing?

• 48:52Speaker 01

  That's not the crisis I'm thinking of.

• 48:54Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  Because my, that's not crisis to me. That's just, like, the inevitable. Like, in a real way. Like, when I'm on a plane and everyone's like, aren't you scared of it going down? Like, that's the inevitable. Like, it can always go down. But I'm talking, like, crisis, like, career wise, like, life wise.

• 49:08Speaker 00

  When was the last time you cried?

• 49:10Speaker 01

  Um, when my roommate Brett moved out. Yeah, I was really sad. Yeah.

• 49:15Speaker 00

  Why did she move out?

• 49:16Speaker 01

  She has a boyfriend. And they're gonna get married, probably.

• 49:20Speaker 00

  Screw that guy.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  No, he's awesome. I want him. I want, like, a version of him.

• 49:24Speaker 00

  Really?

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's great.

• 49:26Speaker 00

  Is he British?

• 49:26Speaker 01

  No, he's American.

• 49:28Speaker 00

  Where from in America?

• 49:29Speaker 01

  Minnesota.

• 49:29Speaker 00

  Hmm, is that good?

• 49:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like Midwestern family vibes.

• 49:33Speaker 00

  Okay. What's something you can't let go of?

• 49:35Speaker 01

  My phone.

• 49:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Money.

• 49:38Speaker 00

  What is, what is your screen time?

• 49:40Speaker 01

  Like, twelve hours a day.

• 49:42Speaker 00

  Get out of here, Jake.

• 49:43Speaker 01

  Or eight. It's eight. Yeah, it's, it's, it's eight.

• 49:46Speaker 00

  That feels quite, that feels like a lot.

• 49:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wake up and check my phone. I wake up every, every, I, I go to bed every single night. I'm like, I'm so excited to go to bed right now because I can't wait to wake up and see what notifications I get.

• 49:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  And I've been that way ever since I was a kid.

• 49:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, that dopamine hit.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, just immediate. It's like a cigarette.

• 50:03Speaker 00

  Did you ever, do you ever try vaping?

• 50:05Speaker 01

  I do vape.

• 50:05Speaker 00

  Do you vape in the middle of the night when you wake up?

• 50:07Speaker 01

  No. That feels a little nasty. That feels a little nasty.

• 50:12Speaker 00

  What's your guilty pleasure?

• 50:14Speaker 01

  Weed.

• 50:15Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Okay. What's your biggest turn off?

• 50:18Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, I'm, like, I don't know, like, some, like, when someone, like, when a, when a man, like, is, gets too drunk and, like, in, like, a not cute way.

• 50:28Speaker 00

  Like, what do you mean?

• 50:29Speaker 01

  Just, like, loses control, is, like, like, sensitive and awkward. And, like, I don't know. But I do that, so.

• 50:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, I do that as well.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:37Speaker 00

  Alcohol hits me like that, boom. Biggest turn on?

• 50:40Speaker 01

  Somebody with really good music taste.

• 50:42Speaker 00

  Nice.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  Maybe that they can tell me some stuff that I don't know about.

• 50:46Speaker 00

  And your knowledge is good?

• 50:47Speaker 01

  I would say it's pretty good. It's not great, but it's pretty good.

• 50:50Speaker 00

  Love that. And what do you like most about yourself?

• 50:53Speaker 01

  Uh, my ambition.

• 50:56Speaker 00

  Jake Shane, you're the greatest, man. I fricking love you. Thank you so much for coming.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  This was so fun.

• 51:00Speaker 00

  You're unbelievable.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you.

• 51:03Speaker 00

  Jake, you're the best.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  Oh, thanks. Did you have fun? Did everyone have fun?

• 51:07Speaker 00

  You're the greatest.

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