The Thoughts New Parents Don’t Say Out Loud

If you’re pregnant… just had a baby… or love someone who is about to become a parent… this episode is for you!

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Dr. Becky Kennedy?

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• 0:43Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  For years at Good Inside, we focused on the huge changes that parents go through when they're learning to work with toddlers and young kids. But as anyone with an infant can tell you, the ground shifts hard before all that. In the third trimester, in the weeks with the newborn, in the stretches when everything feels bigger and closer to the surface than you expected, and it all feels like it's going to be like that forever, and nobody prepared you for what's happening inside your body and inside your head. At Good Inside, we've started building something for that. The first piece is a new podcast called Rattled, a show for when new parenthood shakes you. Every episode starts with a thought

• 1:27Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  that doesn't quite make it into the group chat. Thoughts like, why don't I love this? I miss my old life. Why is this so boring? Why didn't anyone warn me about the fine print? And even, what if I hurt my baby? We name the thought, we sit with the guest who lived it, and we work it out together. And there's even more for new parents coming from Good Inside later this spring, and I'll tell you about it on the other end of today's episode. Today, I want to play you two excerpts, one from each of our first two rattled guests. First up, Caro Chambers. You may know her from her cookbook and her Substack,

• 2:11Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  What to Cook When You Don't Feel Like Cooking. She's a mom of four. And in this clip, she tells me about a 6:30 a.m. morning in Carmel, California, when she woke up and realized...

• 2:26Speaker 01

  Nobody told me this would happen.

• 2:32Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Tell me a little bit about who Carol Chambers was before your first baby.

• 2:37Speaker 01

  Ooh, okay. I did whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted. That's who I was.

• 2:43Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  I mean, chef's kiss about pre-child life. Okay, and at that point in your life, pre-motherhood, paint me a picture, like all the details, it doesn't even have to be the most representative, of a moment before having kids where you're like, I felt really productive today. I felt really worthy, like I got something done.

• 3:01Speaker 01

  Oh, great. Okay, so a worthy day pre-kids was like, I had a morning routine that I would actually stick to. Like, I used to set an alarm, you know, wake up, have a cup of coffee, exercise, get home. If I like was exercised, bathed, hair ready to go for the day by 9:00 AM, I was like, I'm crushing. Like, this is, today will be the best day ever.

• 3:26Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  And just to stick on that, how many reps do you think your body had?

• 3:32Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 3:33Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Of doing that and associating that with worth and productivity before you had a child?

• 3:37Speaker 01

  That's such a great, yeah. I mean, how old was I when I had my first kid? 29, I would say. I started doing that like as a young professional living in New York City.

• 3:46Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Yeah.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  At 21. It was like, wake up, exercise, get showered, go to work. And yeah, so nine years of.

• 3:53Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Yeah. So I'm gonna make up nine times 300. Let's say you did 300 days. Nine times three is 20. This is like 2,700 reps.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:03Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Of doing it. It probably going according to plan because there weren't that many variables. And then your body learning that was productivity and worth. I have a feeling we're gonna circle back to that.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 4:14Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Okay. Anything that you assumed would just come naturally when you became a mom?

• 4:21Speaker 01

  All of it.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  I'm not like a big, like I'm not like a planner. I'm extremely opposite of type A. I just kind of roll with things as they come. And I remember this baby being here and like, I felt like a broken shell of a human, you know, like my bladder was all messed up and my boobs were crazy and everything was so messed up in my own body. That I remember just looking at this baby and being like, they're gonna let us take it home? Like what? I don't know how to do it. Like, I don't know what to do with this thing or what it wants when it cries. And I felt extremely overwhelmed by that at the beginning. Like, there is so much that happens in your own body and that I had no idea about. Like, I was like, oh, you have the baby and it hurts when you have the baby?

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Like, I was like, oh, yeah, ah, you know, you scream, you get the baby out and then it's over. No, like you've only, you know, sometimes that is only just the beginning. And that I had no idea about. So I don't, I think I felt so selfish in those first weeks because I thought about myself like all the time. Like, I thought about, oh, my gosh, is, is, why are my boobs so engorged? Why, why is this happening? Why is that happening? Am I ever gonna pee normally again? Like, why do I keep peeing myself every time I laugh? Like, is any of this normal, normal, normal? And I had no idea that any of that was coming. So I think I pictured this cozy little bubble with a baby and really I ended up thinking about myself a lot.

• 5:45Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Yeah, the baby was the subject.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 5:48Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Like, no one told you to think about you.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's exactly it. I imagined thinking about the baby all the time, having these like cozy cuddly moments with my husband and the baby. And yeah, it really felt like I thought about myself a lot more than I thought I could.

• 6:03Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Yeah. I want to know if you can take a moment to think about a night, a morning, whatever it was, that, that still now, for that first child, like you can still remember.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  Okay. So I'm a sleeper. Well, I was. I used to be a sleeper. I really slept in this morning and I was like, I used to do this. Like, I used to actually do this. All the weekends, I would like really sleep in. And I remember very specifically, you know, once the newborn starts to like, kind of figure out when they want to wake up for the day, you know, like, they go from just sleeping every two hours to like, having this moment where they actually like, open their eyes and they're awake for the day.

• 6:42Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Yeah.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  And it's usually around like, I don't, I think, two weeks.

• 6:44Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Mm hmm.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  I remember like, at six thirty, this baby was like awake and needed like, to be taken care of and attention. And I was like, oh, I've completely changed my life. Like, I have completely, like, I did not think about the fact that I now, like, I don't just get to sleep if I want to sleep. And I don't just get to go to the gym if I want to go to the gym, or, you know, whatever it is. Like, I have this thing to take care of all the time. And I remember so specifically, it was like, when the baby like, woke up for the first time.

• 7:11Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Where, where were you?

• 7:13Speaker 01

  In, I was in Carmela, California. And I was in bed. And I, I like, so specifically remember, like, at first, you can always kind of nurse the baby back to sleep, you know? Or bottle the baby back to sleep. And then like, all of a sudden, you know, I'd feed him and he was still awake. And I was like, oh, no. Oh, this is like a different, this is a whole different beast. Like, now, what am I supposed to do with you?

• 7:34Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Yeah.

• 7:34Speaker 01

  I have to like, entertain you.

• 7:36Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  And so you're in bed.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 7:38Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  It's dark outside?

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, it's dark outside. It's winter.

• 7:41Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  It's winter. But, okay, it's six thirty in the morning.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  Six thirty in the morning.

• 7:44Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  And you're not someone who's like, the six thirty rise and shiner.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  Mm mm.

• 7:48Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  No.

• 7:49Speaker 01

  No.

• 7:49Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  And so, even for the first two weeks, maybe there was a call out from your baby, but you're like, half awake, half asleep, just like nursing back to bed, bottling. And then you kind of go back. It's like, kind of, did that happen or not? It's like a little half-conscious.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 8:06Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  But this was different.

• 8:08Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. This was different. This was like, that moment when all of a sudden, the baby stops being like, this squawky newborn and starts being a baby. And like, all of a sudden, they're like, awake, rise and shine for the day. And you're like, oh, I wasn't prepared for that.

• 8:21Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Yeah.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  I'm, we're here together now.

• 8:23Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  And so if I, I don't even know if this is the right word, had a camera, or like, thing recording inside your brain, that first morning at six thirty when this happened, when you're like, this is not going according to plan.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:35Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  What, what am I hearing? What's the thought?

• 8:37Speaker 01

  Oh, well, I definitely remember having some very like, big thoughts. Like, I remember thinking, Like I've completely changed my entire life and like no one really warned me that that was happening. Like, I definitely remember thinking like, was I, you know, was I actually ready to do this? Like, was I ready to change a hundred percent change my life? Have somebody else depending on me all the time? But yeah, I, I definitely remember just thinking like, whoa, my, my full life has changed and was I ready for this?

• 9:09Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  And, and no one told me.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:10Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Like, I feel like I signed a contract without. Like, there was some fine print in there. Like, they snuck it in.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  Where was this?

• 9:17Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Yeah.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 9:18Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  And, and, and just the language you just used really strikes me. Cause when I think about, like, I picture, I remember is probably like three weeks in. Um, and I remember my sister-in-law coming into my room. I was like, you know, feeding my baby and she was just like very innocently like, how's it going? It's like four P M.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:40Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  And it was, you know, it was the fall. So, you know, it was at four P M. Like dread. And I was like, oh, just not good.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  It's not good.

• 9:49Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  You know, and she, she didn't, she was younger than me, didn't have kids and a little, she's like, oh, okay. Like then anticipate this conversation, but I picture my moment, which on the surface is different than your moment, but there's one moment where the stories you tell yourself are so big.

• 10:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:06Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Am I cut out to do this? Like, do good parents feel this way? Like, and I feel like that moment's truth felt like the forever truth. Like, I was gonna feel this way.

• 10:16Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 10:17Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Forever.

• 10:18Speaker 01

  That feeling in brand new motherhood is so terrifying and suffocating. It's the like, I'm gonna feel this way forever. The, it also, it keeps going, right? Into toddlerhood. Like, oh, he's gonna act like a little dementor at dinner every single night. Like, those feelings continue, but there's none as raw as in brand new motherhood. When you're like, oh, I'm gonna feel like I'm not cut out for this or whatever it is.

• 10:42Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Yeah.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Or he's gonna scream at four P M. Every single night for thirty minutes forever.

• 10:46Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Yeah.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  It feels so intense and suffocating.

• 10:49Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Whenever I say that to a new parent around like the forever truth, they're like, I know, that's, that's, and that's why it feels so awful, I think. Right?

• 10:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 10:56Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  If something felt awful, but then your next thought was. But I won't feel like this forever. Like you're like, oh, I'm immediately

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 11:04Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  able to deal with it.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  And the newborns go through so many stages, right? I remember being so addicted to the, to the Wonder Weeks app with my first, cause it like, kinda tells you,

• 11:17Speaker 01

  your baby's just learning to open their eyes. So they're seeing the world. So it's like overwhelming for them, whatever. Like tells you these things, you know, since that first baby, I backed off of that and just been like, this is a moment. This is a phase. It might be an hour, it might be two weeks, but like this fussiness is going to pass. This like inability to fall asleep without me being attached to them is gonna pass. I had such bad postpartum anxiety. Like I got up and checked on his breathing 20 times a night. I had like all the monitors, the owlet on his foot, the, you know, camera looking down at him. Like I had all the monitors. And I realize now that that was perpetuating the problem so much for me. Cause I felt like if I wasn't looking at the monitors, then something bad would happen.

• 12:00Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  And the solution kind of becomes the problem.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:02Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Yeah.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  Yes. Because I'd be like out at lunch, having really nice time with a friend. The baby would be perfectly happy. And I'd be like, I gotta get home, you know, in 15 minutes, he's gonna be overtired and then he'll never fall asleep. And I like wrote-

• 12:14Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  And then it'd be up all night.

• 12:15Speaker 01

  It'd be up all night and then I'll never sleep. And then I'll turn into a monster tomorrow and da, da, da, da. And you really psych yourself out. You tell yourself these stories-

• 12:24Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Right.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  Of like, if that, if this happens, that'll happen. And like, it's usually not true.

• 12:29Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Yeah. When we're in hyper vigilance mode, right? Everything could be a problem. So everything needs a proactive solution.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  Yes. God, that's exactly-

• 12:37Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  I'm happy here with my friend, but this could mean that. And I got into like optimizing moments where my baby would be on a playmat-

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 12:49Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  perfectly happy.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 12:51Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  And I'm like, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go out this thing. I, I feel like now when I seen him, I was like, when the baby is happy, sit down, drink your coffee, call your friend. Like, no, I wish I didn't. There, there's so many moments I have to go to your baby.

• 13:06Speaker 01

  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

• 13:12Dr. Becky Kennedy?

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• 13:57Dr. Becky Kennedy?

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• 14:39Dr. Becky Kennedy?

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• 15:24Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Nobody tells you how much of the early weeks is just trying to figure out what actually happened to you. The next interview sits in a similar place, but with very different texture. It's with Leah Smart, a writer, an executive coach, and a first time mom who came on Rattled to talk about something a lot of new parents quietly carry and almost never say out loud: intrusive thoughts.

• 15:52Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Jarring, terrifying thoughts. Like, what if I hurt my kid?

• 15:59Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  I know that's a hard sentence to hear. And it's a real experience for so many new parents. In this clip, Leah walks me through what actually happened inside her body and brain when those thoughts landed. And then we talk about what's actually at the root of it. Listen for the moment where Leah names that directly. And then we reframe the whole thing together. This back and forth is what Rattled is built for.

• 16:29Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Here's Leah.

• 16:35Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  I want to actually kind of zone in to a day, to an hour, to a moment where, I don't know, you just still remember it. Something feels like it shifted, it rattled you. Tell me about a moment.

• 16:48Speaker 02

  When I was about five months, I started having panic attacks going into the subway. And I'd lived in New York for a long time. So this was a new thing for me. And so I was diagnosed with perinatal anxiety. I saw a maternal psychiatrist, which was, you know, it's funny, I've dealt with anxiety a lot of my life, but this felt different because I was pregnant, because I didn't know how it would impact the baby, because it felt a little more shameful, because no one had ever told me.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  I only knew about postpartum depression, honestly, was all I'd ever really heard about. So I was dealing with that. And with that, for me, came something called intrusive thoughts, which is your own fears of the things basically that matter most, triggering your brain over and over again and getting you into this like really high anxiety mode. And these are, you know, these are tough moments. So I also just want to be thoughtful of people who've experienced them and maybe are just hearing right now what they are. But I found so many women, after I'd had my baby in my mom's group, I'm on the committee for a mom's group here in the city, were like, I had these thoughts. What if I threw my baby out the window?

• 18:04Speaker 02

  What if I saw a knife and then I hurt the baby? What if I hurt myself? Well, I mean, you know, the what ifs can spin out of control. And what you learn is number one, you're triggered by what matters. If I have an intrusive thought that's like, what if I go into a church and scream something blasphemous, but I'm not religious and I never go to church, it'll pass through my mind. If I have an intrusive thought that's about this tiny little being that I just gave birth to with my husband, who I love, and I'm making up that I'm the only person in the world who's ever had these thoughts.

• 18:39Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Yep.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  It will push you into a different zone and it can just create more anxiety and create distance between you and the baby.

• 18:47Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  So first of all, thank you for sharing even all that you've shared so far. And I know you know this, but just naming these thoughts, like, what if I throw my baby out the window? You're not the only one. People listening have had that thought.

• 18:59Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, yeah.

• 19:00Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  And it really is the story we tell ourselves about our thoughts that determines kind of how we feel after, right? But before we get to all the ways that you learn to tell yourself an understandable grounding story, were there?

• 19:18Speaker 01

  Hours, minutes, seconds that you, at that time, that you couldn't find that story?

• 19:24Speaker 02

  Oh my god, yeah. I mean, I had intrusive thoughts before I was pregnant. Before, so it got worse, right? Because something even more important is being put into the story that didn't exist when I was, you know, single, or when I just met my husband. But, yeah, oh my god, I had, I can remember certain days when I just had space. And so, you know, I do my morning routine, but that was over by 11, right? So by 11, I'm like, alright, you know, what am I up to? And often, again, as I mentioned, my husband was gone on the weekends. So it was up to me to kind of figure out what I wanted to do. And some days, I just wanted to be on my own.

• 20:05Speaker 02

  But some days, I was on my own and spinning in intrusive thoughts and going, oh my god, oh my gosh, this is scary. And I had to figure out alone, before I even saw a therapist, what it was, what they were. So...

• 20:20Speaker 01

  What is that, like, just, okay, what if, I'm just gonna start with one. What if I threw my baby on the window?

• 20:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:25Speaker 01

  Is it, does my heart start racing? Is it, do I start thinking about it? Do I then start saying, what kind of mom has those thoughts? Like, if I'm inside your brain and body, what's going on?

• 20:35Speaker 02

  How could I think that? What's wrong with me? The more that you spin it up and you keep going, oh my god, I can't believe I just had that thought. What does that mean about me? Am I okay? Am I normal? I'm not normal. And it's, that whole thing just keeps going. And so, the more that you spin that up, the worse it gets. It's like telling you not to think about a pink elephant.

• 20:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  We're all thinking about it now, you know? So it's the, the challenge is that...

• 21:04Speaker 01

  But I guess the difference with the pink elephant is, if I had a preconceived notion, that thinking about a pink elephant meant I was a bad, awful person.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  Then, thinking about a pink elephant not only becomes consuming, but it becomes, it almost starts to inform how I think about my identity. Oh, there's that thought again. I become so scared of the thought. The last time I had the thought when I was putting the baby down for a nap. And am I gonna have the thought today when, right, we... Become, I don't know.

• 21:31Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 21:32Speaker 01

  Okay, so tell me.

• 21:32Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, yeah. It's the like obsession with the thing.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 21:37Speaker 02

  And the obsession is what creates the spiral. And really, the obsession is about the fear of something happening. It's not wanting it to happen. If you don't want it to happen and you combine that with the fear and the anxiety, you're going to make it big because of how much it matters. And that was the biggest turning point for me was the fears I have are actually about the opposite, wanting the opposite. So, you know, if I fear for my baby or I fear, you know, like, what if I hurt my dog? You know, whatever. I love my dog. I've never hurt my dog. You are not your thoughts.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 22:19Speaker 02

  And you do not, you don't even act on most of your thoughts. What is it like? I don't know if the number is still 87,000 thoughts a day. Most of them are, you know, repeated and most of them are negative and most of them are about you. And so we have a lot of, a lot of thoughts throughout the day, but most we just kind of let pass through like clouds. And when we really care about something is when that moment is the moment you get like trapped. So I had to go find my own answers. And then the days I would spiral or the times I would spiral, I would use the things I'd found and go for a walk and listen to, you know, a book about intrusive thoughts just to remind myself, oh, this isn't real.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  So, so there's a couple of things I want to break down. I don't know why, but I'm, it's a helpful comparison to me. I'm thinking about, I happen to not be too scared of flying, but I know a lot of people who are. And I'm thinking about being on a plane and someone thinking, I hope the plane doesn't crash. I hope the plane doesn't crash. Right? That thought doesn't make the plane more likely to crash.

• 23:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  And that is such a good example of clearly you're thinking about that obsessively because, because you don't. You want to stay alive.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Right?

• 23:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 23:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. Right? And so if I bring that back.

• 23:32Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Here, I think maybe the difference is it feels so charged with this. Maybe it's going back to what we started with. You must only have happy feelings about being a mom now.

• 23:43Speaker 02

  About, about life. About everything. Exactly.

• 23:46Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  And so I just want to add it because I think it matters. I'm thinking about the person listening who took a really long time to get pregnant. Maybe a lot of losses, you know, fertility struggles.

• 23:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:59Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  And then the baby's here and they have the thought.

• 24:04Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Having the thought of throwing my baby out the window. And I'm thinking about, I spent X amount.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 24:11Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  What kind of person?

• 24:13Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 24:13Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Right? And what I love about your framework is, first of all, with our thoughts and the things we say, the truth is rarely in the words. Like when I say to my husband, you never help with anything. I don't like, it's like anyone knows if he says, well, I took the garbage out yesterday. I'd be like, this is like not a discussion.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  We're not going here.

• 24:37Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Trust me. Walk it back.

• 24:41Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Because what I want him to understand is I'm overwhelmed with that.

• 24:44Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 24:45Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  And so I just think, and so when I think I'm going to throw this baby out the window, you're saying, that, that's not the real thing. The real thing is I love this baby.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  And it's so precious and vulnerable and it's in my control.

• 24:59Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Yes, and that's, and that's new. I've never felt all those things at once. And my body is kind of telling me, whoa, you care a lot. This is new. You're figuring this out, right? And, and, and how that got translated into words, just like in an argument with my husband.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 25:16Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Gets a little tripped up.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:18Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Right?

• 25:18Speaker 02

  They say like the topic is never the topic, right? So it's like, what's underneath? And you just said, you're like, this is me saying, I need help. This isn't about you don't do anything. This is, I need help. And so I, there is, there is like a, there, it, I mean, everything comes back to you, right? It's like, as we're talking about people who are maybe frustrated with others because they have what they don't have. It's like, it's really all like a, I'm, I'm throwing this thing onto you. And then, yeah, I'm getting it mirrored back.

• 25:49Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Yeah.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  And it hurts. And so I have to find a way to get it out without continuing to feel uncomfortable.

• 25:53Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Yeah.

• 25:55Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  I want to ask you a question about those moments, those intrusive thoughts. How was or was not your partner involved in those?

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:03Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Share them? Did he know? How did that go?

• 26:06Speaker 02

  No. I am, I have a, I have the, I'll tell you what this was like and then I have a really absurd story about it, but I am someone who, the reason I can sit here and talk to you about it today is because it's processed. And as someone who like cares a lot about self-development and I do seek help and I do want to learn and I do want to understand, I want to do all of that, but I can't share until something has moved through my body and I can talk about it without going, oh my God. Like even just now, when I was starting to tell you, I felt my heart race a little. I was like, ooh, I haven't talked about this in a while. Right? And like, it is processed and, you know, and I'm going to have another baby soon. And so I might be challenged again, maybe not, I don't know.

• 26:49Speaker 02

  But I am, and sometimes to my own, like, my own, my own peril, not, I mean, that feels aggressive, but is I like to do things alone. I like to go to my therapist and work through something and then I can come back and I can talk about it.

• 27:08Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Work through the mess.

• 27:10Speaker 02

  My mess is mine.

• 27:11Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Privately.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:12Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  And then I'm going to share it with you.

• 27:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:14Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  When I get to that next step.

• 27:15Speaker 02

  I clean up my side of the street and I don't, I don't really share what that looked like before until it's clean.

• 27:29Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  That's Leah Smart and this is Rattled. It's the show I wish I had when my first kid was a newborn and it's the show I most want out in the world now. If you listen to these clips and felt something light up or just crack open, I want you to do two things. One, visit and subscribe to the Rattled podcast feed and listen to the full episodes. The link is in the show notes. And two, send Rattled to someone. The friend who's pregnant, the sister-in-law who just had a baby, the coworker in the third trimester who's been a little too quiet in the group chat. And yes, please don't forget the dads and the dads-to-be. And one more thing I promised you at the top.

• 28:13Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  We have a lot more coming for new and expecting parents at Good Inside later this spring. A home for the baby years inside the Good Inside app, sleep support, lactation expertise, feeding guidance, workshops, tools, stuff for your partnership and for you and a whole community talking about their challenges and wins honestly each and every day. And it's all designed around one core belief. The best way to take care of a baby is to take care of the person holding the baby. If you want to be the first to know when Good Inside Baby fully launches, I really want to be able to tell you. And you can find that link in the show notes as well.

• 28:54Dr. Becky Kennedy?

  Until next time, place your feet on the ground, a hand on your heart, and remind yourself, even as we struggle on the outside, we remain good inside. I believe in you. You've got this. And I'll see you soon. You know, parents carry a lot. In fact, data show that most parents spend every waking hour caring for someone else. So if you feel exhausted and stretched thin, you're not alone, and that makes sense.

• 29:35Dr. Becky Kennedy?

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• 30:17Dr. Becky Kennedy?

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• 31:02Dr. Becky Kennedy?

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