Carol Burnett

For Carol Burnett, the best part about being in your 90s is not being 105. Amy hangs with the comedy legend and talks with her about her favorite letter to climb on the Hollywood sign, doing sketch comedy with Ray Charles, and, of course, playing Miss Hannigan in 'Annie.' Host: Amy PoehlerGuests: Rachel Dratch and Carol BurnettExecutive producers: Bill Simmons, Amy Poehler, and Jenna Weiss-BermanFor Paper Kite Productions: Executive producer Jenna Weiss-Berman, coordinator Sam Green, and supervising producer Joel LovellFor The Ringer: Supervising producers Juliet Litman, Sean Fennessey, and Mallory Rubin; video producers Jack Wilson and Aleya Zenieris; audio producer Kaya McMullen; video editor Drew van Steenbergen; and booker Kat SpillaneOriginal Music: Amy Miles Order ALDI on Uber Eats: https://earn.sng.link/A99vk/i2fm/okid This episode is brought to you by Subaru. Love goes the extra mile in a long-range Subaru Hybrid…with up to 597 (Five hundred and ninety seven) miles per tank in the Crosstrek Hybrid and up to 581(Five eighty one) in the Forester Hybrid. Visit subaru.com/hybrid to learn more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:35Amy Poehler?

  Welcome, everyone, to another episode of Good Hang. This is a very special one for me. We have comedy legend Carol Burnett. You know, Carol, the star, creator, benevolent captain of The Carol Burnett Show, incredible sketch show that changed comedy as we know it and influenced so many of us. An incredible actor in films such as The Four Seasons or the star turn as Miss Hannigan in Annie. You may have seen Carol in Better Call Saul or Palm Royale, which is out right now. There's so many things that Carol has done and, you know...

• 2:16Amy Poehler?

  I discovered Carol from my living room, watching her show with my mom. And we're going to talk about so many things today. And you know what? Don't worry about what we're going to talk about. It's going to be so good. It's Carol. It's Carol Burnett. She's here and we can't believe it. So before we get started, we always like to talk to someone who is a friend or a fan of our guest. And you know, when you are, when you start in sketch comedy and you're a woman of a certain age, you have learned everything from Carol. And today we have someone who is a super fan of Carol Burnett and I think a legend in her own right in sketch comedy. And that is friend of our pod, one of my many wives,

• 3:00Amy Poehler?

  the great Rachel Dratch. Rachel, how are your headphones doing?

• 3:12Amy Poehler?

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• 3:55Amy Poehler?

  Rachel? Rachel?

• 3:58Speaker 04

  I want to show you. I want to show you how far I've come, Amy. What the lessons learned, the improvements made.

• 4:07Amy Poehler?

  Listeners, Rachel Dratch is holding up her untangled headphones. Well, I see a little tangle.

• 4:13Speaker 04

  There's a tiny kink. There we go.

• 4:15Amy Poehler?

  But you've always, you've always been into a tiny kink.

• 4:22Speaker 04

  Anyway, here you go. Changes have been made. And I'm ready to go.

• 4:28Amy Poehler?

  You look great, Dratch.

• 4:30Speaker 04

  Thank you. I put on a little lipstick for you.

• 4:33Amy Poehler?

  You know I love you in a blue. I love my baby, those baby blues in a baby blue.

• 4:39Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 4:41Amy Poehler?

  Dratch, you know, genuinely, when I was like, who can I talk to about the genius that is Carol Burnett? I thought about us because we grew up on Carol. Like, she feels like so influential. We, whether she knows it or not, and I hope to tell her today, it feels like she just influenced us so much.

• 5:04Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, when you said, when you asked a question of Carol Burnett, I got a little paralyzed because I was like, she's such an icon that I got like, kind of, my brain got kind of tongue tied. I'm like, what do you ask someone that's had such an influence, a pillar of comedy? Yeah.

• 5:22Amy Poehler?

  I act psyched to talk to you before we, before I talk to Carol because I actually have been kind of stressed about that. How do I talk to an icon, you know? Do you remember when you first saw Carol?

• 5:33Speaker 04

  I mean, my first exposure was the Carol Burnett Show. So I just remembered like that sort of merry band of players cracking each other up, which of course we did later on in our own way. But um, just that, like the joy that they all seemed to be having together. And her also, like the way she would talk to the audience afterwards, like, there was no sort of putting on airs about her. She just seemed, it seemed like it is, like she is who she seems, like just a fun, regular person. No, um, sort of, oh, a woman shouldn't be doing this. Like, which, I mean, we always get asked about women in comedy and like, we always hate, we get asked that way. Because I think when we were little, like, we just saw a funny person and we weren't thinking like,

• 6:17Speaker 04

  and it's a girl. It was sort of just subliminal, whatever.

• 6:21Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 6:22Speaker 04

  Unconscious, unconscious. Like, you're seeing Gilda Radner and you're seeing John Belushi and you're not thinking like, but she's a woman doing this. You're just like. Getting this sort of role model, you're getting the the mother bird imprint on the baby bird.

• 6:35Amy Poehler?

  Yes.

• 6:36Speaker 04

  So Carol Burnett was definitely like that, just the um, the silliness, the joy in being silly, the joy in like making faces that make you look like you're not a lady.

• 6:48Amy Poehler?

  Yes.

• 6:49Speaker 04

  Acting like you're not a lady.

• 6:51Amy Poehler?

  Yes.

• 6:52Speaker 04

  That all was just so joyous and so good for girls to see. But again, I don't want to get all free to be you and me.

• 6:58Amy Poehler?

  No, but.

• 7:00Speaker 04

  Who she was.

• 7:01Amy Poehler?

  A reference that probably nobody remembers.

• 7:05Speaker 04

  But they should.

• 7:05Amy Poehler?

  But they should.

• 7:06Speaker 04

  Look up Free to be you and me.

• 7:07Amy Poehler?

  Children, you should know.

• 7:08Speaker 04

  You didn't know you were getting the message you were getting, Free to be you.

• 7:11Amy Poehler?

  But it was, boys could have dolls, okay? Boys could have dolls.

• 7:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:15Amy Poehler?

  Carol's show at times, as like the seventies came on to the scene, like Carol's show was like, oh, like that didn't have, that wasn't edgy enough, or something, you know, maybe someone could say like, oh, it didn't have an edge. But now, like with distance and time, I'm like, I think that's what what was drawn, why I was so drawn to that show, exactly what you just said, it looked like everyone was having fun. Like, I don't think it's, when we were growing up, at times, I thought that comedy was actually going to be fun. I know that sounds stupid, but it was like, it felt like it had to have, yeah, it just had to have drama attached to it.

• 7:54Amy Poehler?

  And she was such an example of like comedy could be fun and you could be a nice person doing it. I don't know, does that make sense?

• 8:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, and just like full tilt clowns, you know, like clowning around, you know? Like when she did Once Upon a Mattress.

• 8:13Amy Poehler?

  Okay, let's talk about that.

• 8:15Speaker 04

  It seems like that might have been, what the hell do I know, talking about this time period, but it seems like it might have been kind of really like freeing and groundbreaking to have this woman getting to add all this physical comedy into this part that I'm sure, you know, it's like you're adding in so much physical comedy into that part.

• 8:34Amy Poehler?

  Physical comedy feels, until Carol, that it was kind of owned by the boys.

• 8:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:42Amy Poehler?

  Did Carol feel like at the time she, there were other people, other women doing physical comedy like her?

• 8:48Speaker 04

  Get the answer, Cola. Get the answer on that scoop.

• 8:53Speaker 04

  Also, you two have to compare notes. You, you, I'm sure you, have you told her that you also played Winifred in Burlington High School? Is she aware?

• 9:01Amy Poehler?

  Thank you for bringing that up for people that didn't listen to the very highly popular Rachel Dratch episode. And Dratch, I gotta tell you something, that episode was gangbusters. Are you getting a lot of good feedback?

• 9:15Speaker 04

  I'm getting a lot of good feedback about that, yes. Every time I hook in with you, I go viral.

• 9:22Amy Poehler?

  And that doesn't mean that you get sick with a fever.

• 9:25Speaker 04

  That doesn't mean I get a virus. I'm not gonna avoid the obvious joke here, but yeah.

• 9:36Speaker 04

  We don't need more of that. We don't need more. No, um, no, um.

• 9:41Amy Poehler?

  But, but let's, let me.

• 9:41Speaker 04

  Every time I hook my wagon to you, things happen for the best.

• 9:45Amy Poehler?

  Well, um, thank you for hooking again, but, but for people who didn't, for the, I don't know, one or two people that didn't listen to that episode.

• 9:53Speaker 04

  Where have you been?

• 9:54Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, no kidding.

• 9:55Speaker 04

  Living under a rock?

• 9:56Amy Poehler?

  Check it out. And then you'll, what you'll find is that Rachel Dratch and I talk about how we were both in, um, productions of Once Upon a Mattress when we were young people in our, in our schools. And Carol Burnett originated the part of Winifred on Broadway. I got to play that part in my high school. Rachel played the more.

• 10:15Speaker 04

  I played the boring part of Lady Larkin. So.

• 10:20Amy Poehler?

  Right. Who, um, who, uh, in the, in the musical is pregnant, but when Rachel did it, because they were so young, they had to take that part out.

• 10:29Speaker 04

  And then I had nothing to play. So then it got even more boring. But I know this is about Carol Burnett, but I've gotta work through this. When we did our episode of Good Hang, a lot of people commented on our obvious love for each other and friendship that was so obvious because we like laughed our way through the whole thing. But, um, I was, so I was kind of wondering, since I'm talking to you, like for her, about her female friendships, about, you know, does she have friends that are like her true blues from like before showbiz that she relies on? Or even now, like her, first of all, like her like non-showbiz friends or her showbiz friends? Like who has, you know, been there along the way that is part

• 11:14Speaker 04

  of her journey that she has, um? Kind of like, you know, the little support group with or something.

• 11:21Amy Poehler?

  I love that because when I was lucky enough to do, uh, to do something for her 90th birthday celebration, she watched the entire celebration, holding hands with Julie Andrews.

• 11:40Amy Poehler?

  They sat next to each other and held hands. They call each other, and I think, I believe they call each other chum. And I'll find out, but I want to ask her about Julie because they have been friends since the 60s.

• 11:55Speaker 04

  Wow. And I mean, talk about our age, like powerhouse, like

• 12:00Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 12:01Speaker 04

  Sound of Music, Mary Poppins, Carol Burnett, and they're friends? Come on, chums.

• 12:07Amy Poehler?

  You and I've always said that you are my Julie Andrews.

• 12:14Amy Poehler?

  And, you know, I, uh, the other friendship that I want to talk to her about is her and Lucille Ball.

• 12:19Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 12:20Amy Poehler?

  They were buddies and Lucille was, you know, kind of a mentor to her. She was probably in her 40s when she met Carol in her 20s, but came backstage after um, a performance of Once Upon a Mattress and said, like, you got it, kid.

• 12:38Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 12:39Amy Poehler?

  I know. I feel like there's a direct line between a lot of the women I know who worked with, who love Carol, like Kristen Wiig, who works with Carol on Palm Royale and talked about on this podcast that she like burst into tears when she met her. You, me, Maya, Tina, like we all, Anna, we all, Molly, we all feel like we just watched Carol.

• 13:03Speaker 04

  Well, Amy, you're so good at talking to people, like you've met her too, but I always admire how good you are at talking to the the idols and icons.

• 13:12Amy Poehler?

  Well, I'm talking to one right now. I'm talking to one right now.

• 13:18Speaker 04

  And you're doing a great job.

• 13:20Amy Poehler?

  All right, Rachel Dratch, I know you're busy. Um, what are you having for dinner tonight before I let you go?

• 13:25Speaker 04

  Oh, I don't even know.

• 13:26Amy Poehler?

  Well, I know you've got some Broadway plans tonight. Enjoy your night in the town. New York City, Rachel is out and about.

• 13:32Speaker 04

  Yes, she is. Yes, she is.

• 13:34Amy Poehler?

  With a new haircut, looking great. All right, bud.

• 13:38Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 13:38Amy Poehler?

  Thank you for doing this, Dratchy.

• 13:40Speaker 04

  All right. See ya.

• 13:41Amy Poehler?

  Love you. Bye.

• 13:43Amy Poehler?

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• 14:25Amy Poehler?

  Hi Carol.

• 14:26Speaker 05

  Love you.

• 14:27Amy Poehler?

  Love you. First of all, you look wonderful.

• 14:30Speaker 05

  Back at you, honey.

• 14:31Amy Poehler?

  I'm so happy to see, I mean, I got the chance to see you in person, maybe longer than I'd like to admit, maybe like a year or two ago. I don't think I've seen you since.

• 14:41Speaker 05

  Well, I think you, at the 90th.

• 14:44Amy Poehler?

  At the 90th.

• 14:45Speaker 05

  And then we did it when you presented me with an award.

• 14:48Amy Poehler?

  I got to say nice things about you, which is the best.

• 14:51Speaker 05

  Yes, you did, thank you.

• 14:52Amy Poehler?

  And I just, you know, I just want to get this out of the way, Carol. You are everything to me. You're the reason why I'm in comedy and you are

• 15:02Speaker 05

  Oh, come on.

• 15:02Amy Poehler?

  A living legend and it is really very emotional for me to get to talk to you.

• 15:08Speaker 05

  Oh sweetheart.

• 15:08Amy Poehler?

  I'm thrilled that you're here and it means a lot to me, so thank you.

• 15:11Speaker 05

  You know what? If I'd never been born, you'd be doing what you're doing, so.

• 15:17Amy Poehler?

  Well, we'll never know.

• 15:20Amy Poehler?

  We'll never know, but, and you know, the fact that I get to call you a friend and know you is amazing. It's definitely one of those things where sometimes you feel like your life is a dream. And I think you and I talked about this one time, that, you know, life does feel like a dream. And I know that there's moments in your life where you look back at your life and say.

• 15:42Speaker 05

  Do you remember the movie It's a Wonderful Life? And Jimmy Stewart has this angel named Clarence. There are things that have happened to me where I feel I've got Clarence on my shoulder. From the, very early on in life, I remember I, we, I lived with my grandmother in one room.

• 16:06Speaker 05

  A block north of Hollywood Boulevard. And we were poor. Our rent was a dollar a day, thirty dollars a month. And sometimes we could hardly manage that. And so I graduated from Hollywood High. And I desperately wanted to go to UCLA. And my grandmother said, forget it. You know, we can't afford the tuition. There's no way. Guess what? The tuition was UCLA in nineteen fifty-one.

• 16:40Amy Poehler?

  A yearly tuition?

• 16:41Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, for a semester.

• 16:44Amy Poehler?

  Okay, for a semester. A thousand dollars?

• 16:48Speaker 05

  Forty-three dollars. And we couldn't afford it.

• 16:53Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 16:54Speaker 05

  So we lived in this apartment building, right at our room, face the lobby. So every morning I would check. There was a pigeonhole mailboxes for all the apartments. And I would look out and see if we had a little letter or something in this, in our slot. So I'd go, then there's a letter in this slot this one morning. I came out and I opened it up in our room. My name was typed written on the envelope. And there was a fifty-dollar bill. I do not, to this day, know where that came from. Nobody in the neighborhood, that kind of money, had that. And that was my tuition. So that was clearance.

• 17:39Speaker 05

  You know? And I got to go to UCLA. Then I got a catalog that said Theater Arts. And I looked through that. And there was a one called Theater Arts English. So I entered the Theater Arts Department. But also, at that time, if you were a freshman, no matter what, if you wanted Theater Arts Film, Theater Arts Theater, Theater Arts English, you had to take an acting course.

• 18:04Amy Poehler?

  Do you remember the first thing you did in your acting class, then?

• 18:06Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 18:09Speaker 05

  Oh, I was terrified. I'd never done anything. I'd never performed or anything.

• 18:14Amy Poehler?

  Wow.

• 18:14Speaker 05

  I thought, oh my god. And I came in late, actually, and all the other kids were teamed up, and so I was the oddball. And the teacher gave me a couple of monologues to choose from. One from "The Country Girl" and one from a play called "The Mad Woman of Cheyenne." And I picked "The Mad Woman" because it was shorter. And I got up and I, it didn't even occur to me to read the play. And all I did was memorize it. And I said, "I'm doing a scene from 'The Mad Woman of Chalit.'" I didn't know how to pronounce it. And I did it, and she gave me a D minus.

• 18:56Speaker 05

  And she said, "The only reason I'm not failing you is because you memorized it."

• 19:01Amy Poehler?

  Sounds like a great teacher.

• 19:02Speaker 05

  Well, she was, she was right. She was right. And then I got into a one act that one of the students had written, where I played a hillbilly woman. And of course, we're from Arkansas and Texas. And all I remember is that there was one scene where I came out and I'm this over-the-hill hillbilly woman. And I just said, "I'm back." And everybody cracked up and laughed.

• 19:27Amy Poehler?

  Was that your first laugh you remember getting, doing, like, performing?

• 19:31Speaker 05

  Yeah. And from then on, and then some of the other students would come up and some of the, she said, "Would you be in another one act? Would you be in..." All of a sudden, I thought, "I kind of like this."

• 19:42Amy Poehler?

  Yeah. When I was talking to Kristen Wiig, who is here doing this, who I know you love.

• 19:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:48Amy Poehler?

  She said that she kind of burst into tears when she met you. And...

• 19:51Speaker 05

  I hate it when people look at me and cry.

• 19:58Speaker 05

  Why, am I scaring them? What am I doing?

• 20:00Amy Poehler?

  When they point at you and cry?

• 20:04Amy Poehler?

  But what I was gonna say is, Kristen talked about how important it was to meet you. And you talk about how luck played a big part in many moments in your life. But as you know, luck only gets you so far. You kind of have to show, you have to kind of nail it.

• 20:22Speaker 05

  You know which door to go through.

• 20:23Amy Poehler?

  Yes. And you have to kind of deliver.

• 20:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:26Amy Poehler?

  And... What I love about your work, which continues even to this very moment, this very day, because you are working nonstop, is you are this beautiful combination of luck meets opportunity, meets gratitude, meets flexibility, meets collaboration. I've watched and watched you and your career since I was a young person, and how you welcome all of those things at once. You're never taking anything for granted.

• 21:00Speaker 05

  No, you don't. You can't.

• 21:01Amy Poehler?

  But people do.

• 21:02Speaker 05

  Then they're wrong.

• 21:04Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 21:05Speaker 05

  They don't.

• 21:06Amy Poehler?

  Right. But you also are so confident and skilled in what you know you can do. You show up for those lucky moments. And I want to talk about all of that stuff today. But, you know, I think sometimes with, I'm lucky to know a lot of non-agenarians, like my, you know, the 90s are the new 80s, babe.

• 21:24Speaker 05

  I like that.

• 21:25Amy Poehler?

  I just want to talk about the present moment for a second, because you are working. What does work feel like to you right now, today? Like, how do you, how is work feeling?

• 21:37Speaker 05

  It feels the same.

• 21:38Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 21:39Speaker 05

  I don't, you know, I'm 105 years old, but I still, like when we were doing, are doing Palm Royale and all that, I'm just as excited as I was when I came on and said, "I'm back." You know, it's the same thing. And I was just, another thing, I was thrilled about Palm Royale was when Abe Sylvia called me, he was the creator and director and showrunner, all of that, just two, three years ago, I guess it was, and said, "We're gonna do this show, and we'd love you to be a part of it." I said, "What's it about? Who's?" And then he told me who was gonna be in it.

• 22:21Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 22:22Speaker 05

  Kristen Wiig, Allison Janney, Laura Dern. I said, "I'm in. Don't even bother sending me a script. I want to work with these ladies. I want to lock eyeballs with them, get in the sandbox and play."

• 22:36Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 22:37Speaker 05

  And it was really, of course, the first few episodes, I was in a coma.

• 22:42Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, I know. You have it in your contract that you need to be able to sleep on set.

• 22:48Speaker 05

  Exactly. Yeah, just get up at five in the morning, go get made up, go right back to bed.

• 22:56Amy Poehler?

  But you know, but those women that you talk about, you know, have become your friends and you are and I and I feel grateful for this too, is that you're a living example of, it's just like, if one's lucky enough, they keep meeting new people and new friends.

• 23:10Speaker 05

  Absolutely, absolutely. I felt that way. I was very lucky to do Better Call Saul. That start, that was just before Palm Royale.

• 23:18Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 23:19Speaker 05

  And I was a big fan of Breaking Bad and Vince Gilligan and I watched Bob Odenkirk and all.

• 23:25Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 23:25Speaker 05

  And Vince Gilligan said, we'd love you to come. I'm there, no matter what. So it was a wonderful, wonderful time for me, too.

• 23:35Amy Poehler?

  You know, you're, you're one of those people that, you know, you've gone back and forth in your life between New York and LA and I want to talk about both and I bet that each block or section of the city holds a memory. What was Hollywood like when you were there? How would you describe it?

• 23:50Speaker 05

  You didn't even have to lock your doors. And every morning when I would go out getting ready to go to school, I'd look up and there was a Hollywood sign. And we used to climb the Hollywood sign.

• 24:01Amy Poehler?

  Wow.

• 24:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, the neighborhood kids and I, now you can't get near it.

• 24:04Amy Poehler?

  Sure.

• 24:05Speaker 05

  But we would fly kites or roller skate and they would say, yeah, I'm bored. Let's go climb the sign. So we don't, yeah. And it was just, and it was kind of rickety then. They'd fixed it up now. And there were splinters and I would climb up, get splinters. It's a wonder we didn't break our necks. And then the O's were my favorite. And I would just hang over the O's and say, hello Hollywood, hello. And then we'd do the Tarzan yell and all of that. And also, growing up like that. We played.

• 24:38Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 24:39Speaker 05

  We went out and played until it was time to go in for supper.

• 24:43Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 24:44Speaker 05

  Today.

• 24:45Amy Poehler?

  And no one knew where you were.

• 24:46Speaker 05

  I, no, no. You know, if I'm not here, my grandma's a Carol, come on, you know.

• 24:51Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 24:52Speaker 05

  And we'd come in and, and, but, and I say, I'm going out and play now after school.

• 24:57Amy Poehler?

  And then you, you, you spoke about your grandmother, who was instrumental in your life, and how you would go to the movies together.

• 25:03Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 25:04Amy Poehler?

  So, take us to that. What were you watching? Who were you seeing on the screen?

• 25:09Speaker 05

  Well, we would go to the second run just because they were cheaper than going. If we, if you went to a first run, it was a lot more money, like a quarter, you know?

• 25:20Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 25:21Speaker 05

  And so the second runs, and there would be double features. So, we would see, we would go, one, two, three, four, maybe six movies a week.

• 25:32Amy Poehler?

  Wow.

• 25:32Speaker 05

  We would see, and that was in the 40s, and Betty Grable, and Mickey Rooney, and Judy Garland, and Tyrone Power, and all of those, which maybe none of the people listening know those people. Anyway, they were my favorites.

• 25:48Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 25:49Speaker 05

  And Linda Darnell was a beautiful woman. She's not as well-known today as.

• 25:55Amy Poehler?

  You know what? I don't know Linda Darnell.

• 25:57Speaker 05

  I have to tell you. My grandmother and I, you know, we would go and hang over the ropes when there would be a premiere on Hollywood Boulevard, and we'd, and to watch the movie stars come in, right? So I'm, I'm nine years old, and nanny's standing there now, and the ropes are holding all of us back. And coming, walking up by us was Linda Darnell.

• 26:20Amy Poehler?

  I gotta look her up while you talk about her.

• 26:22Speaker 05

  Do, do.

• 26:23Amy Poehler?

  Okay.

• 26:23Speaker 05

  And so, my grandmother grabbed her by the sleeve.

• 26:31Speaker 05

  Linda, Linda, give this little girl your autograph. She just loves you. She did that. And Linda Darnell was so sweet, and I'm, I'm looking at her, and she said, okay, Darren, I gave her my book, and I was shaking, and she said, what's your name? And I told her. And I'm looking at this gorgeous, and I realized her nostrils didn't match.

• 26:57Amy Poehler?

  Why? What happened?

• 26:59Speaker 05

  It was just like a millimeter off.

• 27:03Amy Poehler?

  And suddenly you realize.

• 27:07Amy Poehler?

  Suddenly you realize nothing is what it seems.

• 27:10Speaker 05

  Let me see your nostrils. Look up. You know, our faces are different when you put it. They're different.

• 27:16Amy Poehler?

  Symmetry is not my strong, my strong point.

• 27:18Speaker 05

  I don't think it is for anybody, you know, but I, that.

• 27:23Speaker 05

  But I remember that so clearly.

• 27:25Amy Poehler?

  You remembered that so clearly.

• 27:26Speaker 05

  Oh, my gosh.

• 27:27Amy Poehler?

  Who else did you have in that autograph book?

• 27:29Speaker 05

  Oh, gosh, I had Betty Grable.

• 27:33Amy Poehler?

  Oh, wow. Oh, wow. She, Linda is so pretty. I'm looking her up right now. She proves my theory that the more far apart your eyes are.

• 27:41Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 27:41Amy Poehler?

  Her eyes are very far apart.

• 27:43Speaker 05

  Oh, you're looking at it.

• 27:43Amy Poehler?

  Yeah. She proves my theory that if your eyes are far apart, you're very beautiful.

• 27:48Speaker 05

  And especially if they don't cross.

• 27:53Speaker 05

  And I remember going, we would go to the Grommets Chinese, where they have the courtyard with everybody's handprints and footprints and so forth. And I remember putting my handprints into Betty Grable's handprints. And just a few months ago, I got my handprints, but after all these years after you. And I remember putting my, and I'm wondering, will somebody someday put their handprints on mine? You know, wouldn't that be kind of wild?

• 28:23Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 28:24Speaker 05

  But I, yeah.

• 28:25Amy Poehler?

  So cool.

• 28:25Speaker 05

  And also, is, I mean, is, I feel I did have a fairy godmother.

• 28:33Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, Clarence.

• 28:34Speaker 05

  Betty Grable was one of my first guests on my show.

• 28:37Amy Poehler?

  Whoa, did you tell her the story of?

• 28:39Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:40Amy Poehler?

  What was she like?

• 28:40Speaker 05

  Adorable, very funny.

• 28:42Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 28:43Speaker 05

  Betty was on the show as a guest. And so was Martha Ray, who was one of the funniest women ever. She was very bawdy and loud. And she and Betty had worked together and they were good friends. So it was, for me, my God, I'd grown up watching Betty Grable, watching Martha Ray. I was all thrilled. So now we're rehearsing. Now Betty had a thing about Coca-Cola. She had to drink Coca-Cola all the time. So what would happen?

• 29:12Amy Poehler?

  She was addicted to Coca-Cola.

• 29:13Speaker 05

  She would be going, constantly, I mean, really, really loud.

• 29:23Speaker 05

  She just loved Coca-Cola. So, we're in the wings, ready, and we're doing the show. And Betty and Martha and I are ready for our cue to go out. And Betty took one and did "buh" again. Martha Ray said, "Oh, for God's sakes, Betty, why don't you just fart and save your teeth?"

• 29:51Speaker 05

  I thought I was gonna die. And then we had to go out and do the finale. I was just hysterical.

• 30:00Amy Poehler?

  Betty, I mean, you talk a lot, I want to talk to you about it because you talk a lot about people coming through your show, The Carol Burnett Show. I mean, when you host a show, I know that from SNL and in some ways from Parks, when you host a show and people come through, you're the host. You have to, you're hosting the show, but you're also hosting the guests. And you're watching all the different ways that people work.

• 30:23Speaker 05

  But, I mean, it was a joy.

• 30:26Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 30:26Speaker 05

  In fact, in 11 years, we didn't have one rotten person.

• 30:31Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 30:31Speaker 05

  That we dealt with at all. Everybody was happy to be on. And another thing that I had always loved doing was giving, like if we had Cheetah Rivera or Juliet Prowse or dancers and singers on the show, we also would try to put them in a sketch.

• 30:48Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 30:49Speaker 05

  So that they, because if they went on another show, the other shows, they would just do their bit and that would be it. Or they may be in a finale also. But we would put Gwyn Verdon in a sketch. I even did a sketch with Ray Charles.

• 31:04Amy Poehler?

  Wow. What was the sketch?

• 31:06Speaker 05

  It was a piano bar. And I was a lady who was a little bit in her cups, very sad about herself because it was her birthday and nobody cared.

• 31:18Speaker 05

  You know, and I was, and so now I'm talking to Ray, who is at the piano. And we have this lovely little scene.

• 31:24Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 31:25Speaker 05

  About the fact that I'm so sad and nobody, and he then talks, is very sweet, encourages me, and he says, come on over here and sit down. And then we sang together, you know. And he said, I ju- I just love it. He said, nobody has ever asked me to do lines before.

• 31:43Amy Poehler?

  Wow.

• 31:44Speaker 05

  So he really, he loved it.

• 31:46Amy Poehler?

  Wow, okay. When you, when you were in your twenties in New York.

• 31:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:51Amy Poehler?

  First of all, what was it like being in New York in the, in the, was it late, it was the 50s?

• 31:55Speaker 05

  50s.

• 31:56Amy Poehler?

  Did Mad Men get it right? Like, was, was that, was, what was it like?

• 32:01Speaker 05

  I lived at the rehearsal club.

• 32:02Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, talk about the rehearsal club.

• 32:04Speaker 05

  Well, I got, I got a chance to go to New York. A benefactor lent me the money to go. I had never been any further east than Texas or California. And I remember my grandmother saying, you can't go there. You have, she said, your blood's too thin, you'll be dead in a week.

• 32:23Speaker 05

  So much for that, you know, I, good, thank you.

• 32:26Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 32:27Speaker 05

  Anyway, I, I said, I'm going to New York, I have this money, I'm going, and I was so stupid and naive.

• 32:35Amy Poehler?

  How old were you?

• 32:36Speaker 05

  I was 21.

• 32:37Amy Poehler?

  21, yeah.

• 32:38Speaker 05

  I didn't know where I was going to stay.

• 32:40Amy Poehler?

  Right, you just showed up and said, we'll figure it out.

• 32:43Speaker 05

  It's like the movies, you know.

• 32:45Amy Poehler?

  With the suitcase.

• 32:46Speaker 05

  Now I'm in a Broadway show.

• 32:47Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 32:48Speaker 05

  I'm on the airplane, and I see an ad for the Algonquin Hotel. I said, well, I think I'll go there. And I had something like 300 some odd dollars left. And so it was raining, I had a cardboard suitcase, and got up to the, Algonquin. And I checked in, and he says, that'll be $9, you know. And I said, for the week? He said, no, for the night. $9 for what?

• 33:17Speaker 05

  Okay, so I gave the nine dollars and I went up to this room. And I'm there and I called nanny, my grandmother, and she said, come home. I said, I just got here, you know. And she, anyway, I hung up and I thought, what am I gonna do? I'm in New York.

• 33:32Amy Poehler?

  Hmm.

• 33:32Speaker 05

  And the next morning, I had one phone number that I could call. And it was a girl who had gone to UCLA and was ahead of me. And she went to, came to New York. And she left her phone number with a bunch of us in case we ever got to New York to give her a call.

• 33:48Amy Poehler?

  Hmm.

• 33:49Speaker 05

  So I had, that was the one number I had. And I called her, her name was Eleanor Eby. And I, the phone rang and I said, hello. I said, is Eleanor Eby there? And they said, wait a minute, Ellie, Ellie. And I'm hearing all this noise going on, people singing and stuff. And she gets on the phone, hello. I said, Ellie, it's Carol, I, you're here, where are you? I said, yeah, I'm going, she said, get out of it, are you crazy? She said, come up here, gave me the address. I left, I got, bing bong, it's a brownstone, four stories.

• 34:25Amy Poehler?

  Hmm.

• 34:25Speaker 05

  And I had no idea, but I rang the doorbell, some, some gal opened the door. She said, what? I said, I'm here to see Eleanor Eby. Oh Ellie. And I go in and there's a parlor and a bunch of stairs going up to the various floors. And people are dancing and singing and playing the piano.

• 34:43Amy Poehler?

  And all women?

• 34:44Speaker 05

  All women. And it's, it was called the rehearsal club.

• 34:48Amy Poehler?

  Hmm.

• 34:49Speaker 05

  And maybe about 25 women live there. And Ellie said, maybe we can get you a, a way to stay here.

• 34:57Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 34:58Speaker 05

  And she said, I'll introduce you to the house mother, Ms. Carlton. And Ms. Carlton came, she said, well, you're in luck, we have one cot available. And it was eighteen dollars a week, room and board. It was sponsored by a lot of rich New York ladies, which made it possible for that to be so inexpensive.

• 35:18Amy Poehler?

  How cool.

• 35:19Speaker 05

  And she said, this is a transit room, so it's the biggest, and it's where we put new people. And you'll have four roommates, there'll be five of you. And she said, um. There are rules, no men be on the parlor. And they can't stay past 10 o'clock or midnight on weekends. You cannot spend the night, you have to be in.

• 35:45Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 35:45Speaker 05

  It was very, very strict. And you have to be pursuing a career in the theater. You are allowed to take a part-time job to help pay for the rent.

• 35:56Amy Poehler?

  Wow.

• 35:57Speaker 05

  But you must like go on auditions and so forth and so on. So it was very.

• 36:02Amy Poehler?

  It's making me think of the Lucille Ball movie, Stage Door.

• 36:06Speaker 05

  That's what it was written about.

• 36:07Amy Poehler?

  Stage Door was about the rehearsal club.

• 36:09Speaker 05

  That was it. I was just gonna, absolutely.

• 36:12Amy Poehler?

  How funny.

• 36:12Speaker 05

  That was it. Also, it's the first time I had a bed. I slept on the couch for 21 years. My grandmother slept on the Murphy bed. I have a bed.

• 36:27Amy Poehler?

  Carol, you know, it makes me ask, wanna ask you, was there ever a job that made you feel secure, financially secure?

• 36:33Speaker 05

  Only when I got on the Gary Moore Show and Once Upon a Mattress.

• 36:38Amy Poehler?

  Okay, because Once Upon a Mattress felt like a secure, like, okay, I've got a gig every week and I'm gonna be okay and I'm gonna be able to take care of my family.

• 36:47Speaker 05

  Right.

• 36:48Amy Poehler?

  And were you taking care of your family then?

• 36:49Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:50Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 36:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:51Amy Poehler?

  Yeah. So, Once Upon a Mattress is a Broadway show that you opened, you opened that show, you were the original Winifred.

• 37:00Speaker 05

  Right, yeah.

• 37:01Amy Poehler?

  Okay, so, we've talked about it on this podcast, that particular show, and I know I've shared this with you, because I got to be Winifred in my high school production of Once Upon a Mattress.

• 37:12Speaker 05

  Oh, I love it, yeah.

• 37:12Amy Poehler?

  And listened to your cast recording to try to learn the part. And Rachel Dratch, the great Rachel Dratch from SNL, also was in Once Upon a Mattress. She jokes that she was the boring part, the Lady Larkin part.

• 37:25Speaker 05

  Right, yeah.

• 37:27Amy Poehler?

  And, and I spoke to her earlier today about you.

• 37:31Speaker 05

  Give her my.

• 37:31Amy Poehler?

  I will. And we, we talked about how influential you were to us. But when, when you were doing Once Upon a Mattress. You were getting like finally getting paid to be an actor.

• 37:47Speaker 05

  Eighty dollars a week. Well, what happened, actually, again, Clarence.

• 37:52Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 37:52Speaker 05

  I had been auditioning for, before I got Mattress. When I left UCLA to go to New York, my friends said, what are you gonna do? I said, I'm gonna go to New York and I'm gonna be in a show directed by George Abbott. Now, George Abbott was Mr. Broadway. He directed Pajama Game, Damn Yankees. He was the musical director of all time. And I said that, I'm gonna be in it. Okay.

• 38:18Amy Poehler?

  But that's what I'm talking about. That's not Clarence. That's Carol.

• 38:20Speaker 05

  Well, hold on though. Wait. This is weird.

• 38:23Amy Poehler?

  But that's manifesting.

• 38:25Speaker 05

  You put it out there in the universe.

• 38:26Amy Poehler?

  That's right.

• 38:27Speaker 05

  So what happened was, you know, I was in New York for a while and then I got a chance to audition for a re, they were gonna reissue, not reissue, redo, a show called Babes in Arms that Rogers and Hammerstein wrote. And they were gonna open it in Florida and bring it to Broadway. I auditioned and it looked like I was gonna get the part of the girl who sings Johnny One Note. I was so excited and everything. And then, and the director wanted me, but then they said, you know, Carol, we're gonna go for someone who's got a name. I went, oh. So I hung up the phone. Swear to God. I hung up the phone. Two minutes

• 39:09Speaker 05

  later, the phone rang and it was Jean Eckhart, who was producing a show called Once Upon a Mattress. And she said, can you come down now to the Phoenix Theater and audition for George Abbott?

• 39:23Amy Poehler?

  Wow. Rejection is God's protection, Carol.

• 39:27Speaker 05

  Took the subway down. I sang what I had to do.

• 39:31Amy Poehler?

  Do you remember what you sang? Do you remember your audition song?

• 39:34Speaker 05

  I sang, "Everybody Loves to Take a Bow" was, it's from a show called Hazel Flag. I got back, the phone was ringing. They said, you got the part. And had I gotten Babes in Arms, which never left a Florida, I wouldn't have had Mattress.

• 39:51Amy Poehler?

  Isn't it weird how when you look at life and you think if just the slightest thing moved here and the slightest thing's here?

• 39:58Speaker 05

  Some of the best things happen when you're disappointed at first.

• 40:01Amy Poehler?

  That's right.

• 40:03Speaker 05

  You look back and say, you know, if that hadn't happened, this would...

• 40:07Amy Poehler?

  That's right.

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• 42:49Amy Poehler?

  When you were doing "Once Upon a Mattress," we spoke, we mentioned Lucy, Lucille Ball. But can you tell everyone that story? I know you've told it before, but to me, you were very kind to talk and always talk about Lucy whenever you get a chance to, but you were very kind to talk about her in a documentary that I did. And you told this story, which I think is not only so indicative of how wonderful and supportive a person she was, but how she saw in you something very, very special that we all eventually came to know.

• 43:25Speaker 05

  I remember we opened in May of 1959 and got great reviews. And so I was like, wow, I was thrilled. And the second night, there was a buzz backstage and everything. And I said, what is it? Lucy's in the audience. I was more frightened than I was opening night.

• 43:51Amy Poehler?

  Oh, what year was this?

• 43:53Speaker 05

  1959. So I remember, I was stupid. I peeked through and I saw this orange hair in the second row. And I go, oh, my God. Anyway, I got through the show and she wanted to come backstage. And it was off-Broadway Theater, and it was really funky. You know, and I had a couch where the coil was sticking up.

• 44:13Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 44:14Speaker 05

  And it was a kind of... Anyway, you know, and it was Lucille Ball. Come in, you know, and she headed for the couch and I said, oh, look, she said, no, I see it.

• 44:28Speaker 05

  You know, so she sat on the right end of the couch and well, God, 20, 25 minutes. And she called me kid. She's 22 years older and she, as she was leaving, she said, kid, if you ever need me for anything, you give me a call. Wow, you know, so actually four, about four years later, I was working and doing stuff and CBS wanted me to do an hour long special, variety special, if I could get a major guest star. So the producer say, you gotta call Lucy. I said, I don't want to bother her. All she can do is say, I'd love to, kid, but I'm busy, you know?

• 45:13Speaker 05

  So I got up the nerve and I called her. Oh, hey, kid, you're doing great. What's happening? I went, I'm doing a show and I know you're busy. I was, and she said, hold on, when do you want me?

• 45:28Amy Poehler?

  She's such a badass.

• 45:30Speaker 05

  So she did the show and we did it together, yeah.

• 45:34Amy Poehler?

  I mean, I think about Lucy a lot when, when, um, she, she was very ahead of her time. And also we talked about this when we were, when we talked about her together. She, you know, she was producing and running shows, even though she wasn't getting the credit, just like you were producing your show. She was so ahead of her time.

• 45:54Speaker 05

  Well, there's a story. She, uh, when she did my show, you know, we were, we had a lot of fun together and we were, uh, had a dinner break. So we went across the way to the farmer's market, you know, and, uh, she's knocking back a couple of whiskey sours. And she says, you know, kid, because my husband at the time, Joe, was producing our show.

• 46:21Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 46:21Speaker 05

  You know, and I, he just did it. And, uh, she said, you're, you're very fortunate. You've got Joe to do it for you. She said, because when I was married to the Cuban.

• 46:34Speaker 05

  She said, "Dessie did everything."

• 46:37Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 46:37Speaker 05

  "He invented the three-camera system."

• 46:39Amy Poehler?

  A lot of people don't know.

• 46:41Speaker 05

  He said, "He took care of the scripts, he took care of the costumes, he took care of the lighting. All I had to do was come in and be silly Lucy on Monday and do the show." Then we got a divorce. She says, "Now, I know I have to be like Dessie." I gotta, you know, and she said, "I didn't know what..." They had a script reading of the new Lucy show. And she said, "It was terrible." She, "It was terrible." And I thought, "Dessie wasn't here to fix it," you know? She says, "I called lunch," and she said, "And I went back and I figured I have to be strong, I have to be not confrontive, but still not afraid," you know?

• 47:26Speaker 05

  So she went back and she said, "And I told them in no uncertain terms of writing what they had to do, how to fix it." I was just really tough. And then she took another little drink. She said, "And kid, that's when they put the S on the end of my last name."

• 47:48Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 47:48Speaker 05

  And so we, every birthday, on my birthday, she would send me flowers. "Happy birthday, kid."

• 47:55Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 47:55Speaker 05

  And this one morning, I got up, it was my birthday, and she had died that day on my birthday. And I got the flowers that afternoon. "Happy birthday, kid."

• 48:08Amy Poehler?

  Do you believe in ghosts or spirits?

• 48:11Speaker 05

  I do not believe in them.

• 48:13Amy Poehler?

  Yeah. Like, do you feel like you've ever been visited by?

• 48:18Speaker 05

  Lucy?

• 48:18Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, by Lucy. Don't you feel like she'd be a funny ghost?

• 48:24Speaker 05

  Hello.

• 48:27Amy Poehler?

  You know?

• 48:27Speaker 05

  Lucy, if you're here.

• 48:29Amy Poehler?

  Lucy, if you're here. We just get our Ouija board out. But yeah, I mean, and Carol, you're like that for so many people. I mean, I feel like you're a mentor to so many women. And you, like you said, you got things handed to you and you hand it down. You pass it on. The spirit of that felt like it was embedded in The Carol Burnett Show. Because, so you were skipping a lot, but obviously you go to New York, you're in Broadway, you, Gary Moore. And do you feel like, I mean... You were physical in a way back then. In a way back, in a way, in a way now. I mean, first of all, you look terrific.

• 49:11Speaker 05

  Well, thank you.

• 49:12Amy Poehler?

  You're 92?

• 49:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:14Amy Poehler?

  I mean, you're, you're just.

• 49:15Speaker 05

  Well, thank you.

• 49:16Amy Poehler?

  I mean, physically, your body has, has been so good to you. You have a command of your body and always have. And it's like, and I guess one of the questions that Rachel Dratch and I, Rachel had that we were talking about is this idea of physical comedy, which was.

• 49:32Speaker 05

  I love doing it.

• 49:33Amy Poehler?

  Yeah. When you would do the show, would you do warmups, like physical warmups? Like, would you stretch, like before the show was about to start?

• 49:40Speaker 05

  I was very athletic as a kid. I would roller skate. I would do all kinds of, climb the sign.

• 49:45Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 49:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:46Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 49:47Speaker 05

  And so I was, and I could run like the wind. It was very fast.

• 49:53Amy Poehler?

  You have those legs, Carol.

• 49:54Speaker 05

  Well, they're the last things to go.

• 49:56Amy Poehler?

  Babe, you got, I mean, what I would give for long legs. You have the best legs.

• 50:02Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 50:03Amy Poehler?

  You probably could have been a long distance runner.

• 50:06Speaker 05

  Well, when I was in junior high school, my physical teacher, because I could run, she sent a letter home to my grandmother saying, could Carol stay after school? And I could be coaching her. And my grandmother said, no. Running is bad for the heart. Whatever that means.

• 50:24Amy Poehler?

  That was, that was definitely back then when every, everyone was a little scared of everything.

• 50:29Speaker 05

  Of everything.

• 50:30Amy Poehler?

  Yeah. Running is bad for the heart.

• 50:31Speaker 05

  Yeah. Like she said, when I went to New York, you know?

• 50:34Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:34Speaker 05

  You'll be dead in a week. Your blood's too thin.

• 50:38Amy Poehler?

  Yeah. So you, yeah. So physically, and also Carol, do you feel like you have a thing that happens? Because you've done a lot of live stuff where when there's something that's a little wrong, you know, when something's going a little wrong, there's like a little fun electricity where you get, where you get excited.

• 50:54Speaker 05

  Okay, now what am I gonna do?

• 50:55Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 50:56Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:56Amy Poehler?

  You've always had that?

• 50:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:58Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 50:58Speaker 05

  I love that.

• 51:00Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 51:01Speaker 05

  Yeah. We were accused a lot of breaking up and.

• 51:05Amy Poehler?

  So on your show, there would be people, you guys would laugh?

• 51:08Speaker 05

  Yeah. And, but out of 270 some odd shows, I can't, there was, in fact, I kind of looked at stuff because it was usually Conway who was after Harvey to break him up. I don't think we, more than.

• 51:27Speaker 05

  Fifteen times out of two hundred and but people remember that.

• 51:32Amy Poehler?

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:32Speaker 05

  Because it was so delicious.

• 51:34Amy Poehler?

  It was.

• 51:34Speaker 05

  But then people say, well, they shouldn't have done that.

• 51:37Amy Poehler?

  That kind of fun goof around thing. I mean, that's that that just goes to show, I think, what I felt watching even from, you know.

• 51:45Speaker 05

  It was a family.

• 51:46Amy Poehler?

  It was a family.

• 51:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:48Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 51:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:49Amy Poehler?

  It was ten years that you made that show together?

• 51:51Speaker 05

  Eleven.

• 51:51Amy Poehler?

  Eleven. And and what was?

• 51:53Speaker 05

  I decided I wanted to quit after eleven.

• 51:55Amy Poehler?

  Do you remember the last the last moment of the last show?

• 51:59Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, it was when I sat on the bucket as the charwoman and then I just talked about how we were gonna not come back, you know, and I yeah, I cried. It was bittersweet.

• 52:11Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 52:11Speaker 05

  But it was time.

• 52:12Amy Poehler?

  Yeah. And when in the last thing I'll say about how important that show was to me is you and I know you've spoken about how it was a section that at first you thought, I'm not sure why I'm doing this. But do you watch your old stuff? Do you watch clips of yourself?

• 52:27Speaker 05

  I'm not like Norma Desmond.

• 52:29Amy Poehler?

  You don't?

• 52:33Amy Poehler?

  You're not in your bedroom all day watching old clips of yourself?

• 52:36Speaker 05

  We had spaces then.

• 52:40Amy Poehler?

  But you must every once in a while stumble across something that comes your phone must know who you are.

• 52:45Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, actually, when I wrote my last book was about doing the show.

• 52:49Amy Poehler?

  Hmm.

• 52:50Speaker 05

  So I had to watch a lot to.

• 52:52Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 52:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, you know.

• 52:54Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 52:55Speaker 05

  I went fast through some of them and some of the sketches I oh, God, they were terrible.

• 53:00Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 53:01Speaker 05

  And some were wonderful, you know, but I hadn't remembered a lot, you know.

• 53:04Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:05Amy Poehler?

  Do you and and do you watch comedy now? Like, well, I asked my guests this.

• 53:11Speaker 05

  Not really.

• 53:12Amy Poehler?

  Yeah. Do you watch anything now that you're liking or?

• 53:15Speaker 05

  I watch TCM.

• 53:17Amy Poehler?

  Turner Classic Movies.

• 53:19Speaker 05

  I go and visit all the people that I loved when I was growing up.

• 53:21Amy Poehler?

  Hmm.

• 53:22Speaker 05

  You know?

• 53:22Amy Poehler?

  Who did you comedically? Who did you love growing up? Who made you laugh?

• 53:26Speaker 05

  Oh, growing up comedically.

• 53:27Amy Poehler?

  Who would you visit right now if you could on TCM?

• 53:30Speaker 05

  Carol Lombard.

• 53:31Amy Poehler?

  Hmm.

• 53:32Speaker 05

  Now, you know, she was that's who my mother named me after, actually. She was a beautiful comedic actress and could really, you know, with a turn of it to this, she was and that that's the movies, you know. Comedically, I kind of fashioned my show, not only after Gary, but after Sid Caesar.

• 53:57Amy Poehler?

  And Sunny and Cher were in the same studio as you, right?

• 54:00Speaker 05

  They were next door.

• 54:01Amy Poehler?

  Do you and Cher hang out?

• 54:03Speaker 05

  No.

• 54:08Amy Poehler?

  Did you guys ever hang out?

• 54:09Speaker 05

  Not really. No, but we know each other, friends.

• 54:12Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, did you watch their show?

• 54:13Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:14Amy Poehler?

  And you snuck over there?

• 54:15Speaker 05

  And many times, our studios were joined by the ladies' room and men's room. So if there was a break, or I had, I'd go through the ladies' room and watch them rehearse something. And sometimes, like, she and Sunny, and even separately sometimes, just walk on while I was doing questions and answers.

• 54:34Amy Poehler?

  Oh, fun.

• 54:34Speaker 05

  And we'd get around. You know, it was great fun.

• 54:37Amy Poehler?

  Oh, that's so fun.

• 54:37Speaker 05

  Well, she's lovely.

• 54:38Amy Poehler?

  She is lovely. I mean, I don't know her.

• 54:40Speaker 05

  We just don't run around in the same circle.

• 54:42Amy Poehler?

  She just seems cool.

• 54:43Speaker 05

  She's cool.

• 54:45Amy Poehler?

  Cher, if you're listening, we love you.

• 54:47Speaker 05

  She should come on this show.

• 54:49Amy Poehler?

  You heard it here first, Cher.

• 54:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:51Amy Poehler?

  Carol says you should.

• 54:52Speaker 05

  Oh, she'd be a great guest.

• 54:53Amy Poehler?

  I'd love to have her on. What's your sign, Carol? What's your sign?

• 54:57Speaker 05

  A Taurus.

• 54:58Amy Poehler?

  Of course. Earth sign.

• 55:01Speaker 05

  What does that mean? I'm a bull.

• 55:03Amy Poehler?

  You're bull, but you're an earth sign. I'm a Virgo, Tina's a Taurus. You know, somebody's got to get this stuff done. Somebody's got to get stuffed on. Torrens, and again, I know nothing about astrology.

• 55:15Speaker 05

  Yeah. Oh, well, you know who else is Taurus is Shirley MacLaine and Barbra Streisand. They have the same birthday.

• 55:23Amy Poehler?

  They, and you heard it here, Carol thinks you guys should come on this podcast, too.

• 55:27Speaker 05

  I think so.

• 55:30Amy Poehler?

  One of the most special moments of doing your wonderful special that you and Brian produced for your birthday a couple of years ago. Number one, it was like the first time I had been out since COVID. It was like, yay. But also, you and Julie Andrews were together, and...

• 55:52Amy Poehler?

  You held hands during a lot of that and sat next to each other.

• 55:56Speaker 05

  My chum.

• 55:58Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 56:00Amy Poehler?

  Tell us when you first met Julie and how important a friend she is to you.

• 56:04Speaker 05

  I was doing mattress and she was in Camelot. So she was a queen and I was a princess. And some friends, mutual friends, said you two ought to meet because there's a similarity there. And you'd be, and later on Julie and I even talked about, oh, come on, it's like saying a blind date. You ought to meet to see. Anyway, she had Sunday night off from Camelot and we worked on Sunday night. So she came with her friend and I had my friend there, the two gentlemen, just friends. And she watched mattress and we went out to a Chinese restaurant afterwards. And we never stopped talking to each other.

• 56:49Speaker 05

  The poor guys who were with us just sat there and listened. It was as if we were joined at the hip from the beginning. And always, and she, she taught me some dirty words.

• 57:06Speaker 05

  You would think I was.

• 57:06Amy Poehler?

  Because you're not a big swear, you don't, you don't love to swear. You're not, you don't like.

• 57:10Speaker 05

  Not really.

• 57:11Amy Poehler?

  Occasionally.

• 57:13Speaker 05

  Occasionally, if I stub my toe, you know what comes out.

• 57:17Amy Poehler?

  And what kind of friend is Julie?

• 57:19Speaker 05

  My chum, we love each other. We are like, we're sisters. She, unfortunately, not unfortunate, but for me, and she lives on the East Coast.

• 57:29Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, so you kind of.

• 57:30Speaker 05

  So, yeah, we, and it was so sweet of her to come to the 90th.

• 57:35Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 57:35Speaker 05

  To be with me.

• 57:36Amy Poehler?

  Would you, where were you when The Sound of Music came out? Did you go to the premiere? Do you remember?

• 57:41Speaker 05

  The movie?

• 57:42Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 57:43Speaker 05

  No, I didn't go to the premiere, but I remember she used to send me dirty limericks when she was filming.

• 57:51Speaker 05

  She did, I wish I could remember it or even tell a thing about, she did a whole parody on These Are A Few Of My Favorite Things.

• 58:02Speaker 05

  I mean, brilliant.

• 58:06Speaker 05

  So funny.

• 58:07Amy Poehler?

  So good, so good. Um, okay, and then, um, you worked with some, you've worked with amazing people. You have had an amazing life where you've gotten to play around with people who are kind of at the beginning of their careers, at the end of their careers. Was there anyone that you met as a young actor? I love to ask people this, like a, a young, you met them and it was maybe their first job and you saw something and you said, oh, they're going to be very successful and famous.

• 58:35Speaker 05

  Vicky.

• 58:35Amy Poehler?

  Vicky Lawrence.

• 58:37Speaker 05

  She wrote me a fan letter and we were gonna do the show. And we knew we were gonna do something with Harvey and me where I'd be raising my kid's sister and we'd be a married couple. And so I'm reading my fan mail this one night and this was in December of 66 and we were gonna go on in the fall of 67. And I'm opening up this letter and it's from this 17-year-old girl, Vicky Lawrence, who's very nice letter saying, people say that I remind them of you, you know, da-da-da. And then she enclosed a newspaper article that had her picture in it. She looked so much like me when I was 17. I thought, oh, that's interesting.

• 59:21Speaker 05

  And then in the article, they said she was going to be in a contest called Miss Fireball of Inglewood with eight other girls. And so the local paper was doing a bit on each one of those girls and this was her article. And I look at it and then I look at the date. The contest is tonight. The letter had been sent three weeks ago and it got to me from CBS and I thought, it's tonight. So my husband's coming downstairs and I said, don't get too comfortable, we're going to the Miss Fireball contest tonight. He said, what? And I showed him the article. I said, but should you?

• 1:00:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, okay, but shouldn't you try to tell her, you know, don't make her nervous? I said, you're right. So her father's name was listed. In the article, Howard Lawrence. So I called the operator and I said, got the phone number. And so it rings and this lady asks, hello. I said, hi, I said, is Vicki Lawrence there? And she said, this is her mother who's calling. And I said, is Carol Burnett? Vicki!

• 1:00:37Speaker 05

  Vicki comes, I hear footsteps. Vicki comes up to, yeah, hi, Marcia. I said, it's not Marcia. Is Carol? I got to, would you be okay if we come to the, okay. So we went.

• 1:00:51Amy Poehler?

  Wow.

• 1:00:52Speaker 05

  She did the guitar, she played the kazoo, she did a couple of jokes and she sang and she won the contest.

• 1:00:59Amy Poehler?

  And she was like you in peeking out and seeing, just like you saw Lucy, she's peeking out seeing Carol.

• 1:01:05Speaker 05

  Exactly. And so I was in touch with, I said, we're gonna be doing a little, well, I'll be in touch with you.

• 1:01:12Amy Poehler?

  We're gonna be doing a little, very famous show that's gonna change comedy, but.

• 1:01:16Speaker 05

  And so we called her that summer and she came and read. And there was another girl who'd had a lot of experience. Vicki was raw, but saw something.

• 1:01:27Amy Poehler?

  You saw something.

• 1:01:28Speaker 05

  And today, no network would let us do that. Hire an 18-year-old girl with no experience.

• 1:01:35Amy Poehler?

  That's right.

• 1:01:36Speaker 05

  They wouldn't allow it.

• 1:01:37Amy Poehler?

  I mean, Carol, we could talk forever about the biz because the biz has changed so much.

• 1:01:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:01:42Amy Poehler?

  I know.

• 1:01:43Speaker 05

  I, you know, it's, you can't be happy being 92, but I'm glad I'm 92 because none of this would have happened today for me. It might have been, something might have happened, but it wouldn't be, there's no way we could do what we did before.

• 1:01:58Amy Poehler?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:59Speaker 05

  28-piece orchestra, you know, 65 to 70 costumes a week, two guest stars, a major, you know, rep company.

• 1:02:09Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:10Speaker 05

  You know, and also CBS left us alone.

• 1:02:15Amy Poehler?

  Right, I remember you telling me that. They really didn't give you any notes.

• 1:02:18Speaker 05

  There was one note in 11 years.

• 1:02:23Amy Poehler?

  Sorry, I'm laughing.

• 1:02:24Speaker 05

  The guy was, we were doing, I was doing a sketch where I was a nudist. And I'm behind, I'm behind a fence that says, "Keep out." And so I'm hanging over the fence, you know, bare-shouldered. And then my legs are bare with high-top tennis shoes. And Harvey's voiceover, and it's just, he's interviewing me and it's a bunch of jokes about a nudist colony. I mean, it's no big deal.

• 1:02:48Amy Poehler?

  Right.

• 1:02:49Speaker 05

  So, one of the lines was, "So, what do you nudists do for entertainment?" You know, I said, "Well, we have dances every Saturday night." And he said, "Oh, and how do you nudists dance?" And I said, "Very carefully." Well, to the network, that was too blue.

• 1:03:11Speaker 05

  You have to change that line.

• 1:03:14Amy Poehler?

  Sometimes the change is even dirtier.

• 1:03:15Speaker 05

  Hello. So, "What do you do?" "Well, we have dances every Saturday night." "Well, how do you do, how do you, how do you dance?" "Cheek to cheek."

• 1:03:32Amy Poehler?

  Incredible. So much better. And they were like, "That's it, that's better."

• 1:03:38Speaker 05

  That's good.

• 1:03:40Amy Poehler?

  Also, I don't have really any questions other than Annie.

• 1:03:48Amy Poehler?

  That's all, Carol, just Annie was so important. Annie is, remains so important, but was very important to Gen X women.

• 1:03:57Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:03:58Amy Poehler?

  I mean, we've, I've talked about it with Rachel Dratch and a bunch of people in this, like, how big Annie was as a musical. It was all parts for, we were that age. And then when the movie came out, we thought, "Okay, here comes the movie." And when you were Miss Hannigan...

• 1:04:13Amy Poehler?

  It was like I saw that character for the first time. I really understood her.

• 1:04:17Speaker 05

  Well, I went to John Houston at the beginning and I said, I think she should drink. It wasn't in the original, that she should have a little bit, because it would only make sense that this you know.

• 1:04:34Amy Poehler?

  Yes.

• 1:04:34Speaker 05

  And so he, that's a good idea there, that's the way to, now, this is my favorite story about Annie.

• 1:04:41Amy Poehler?

  Hmm.

• 1:04:42Speaker 05

  Uh, Tim Curry, Bernadette and I, you know, the villains.

• 1:04:46Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:47Speaker 05

  Uh, Easy Street was gonna be this big number. So being a Hollywood movie, they decided to change it from the original where it's just the three in the orphanage to this big, huge thing where they had this street open up. They had 400 dancers, singers, this people hanging out. I even had a monkey grinder with a monkey and and Tim and Bernadette, it takes away from the number. They're just a big Hollywood production. Huge. And you know, took a week to film. And at that time, a million dollars or so. And you know, okay, all right. So we wrapped. I flew back. I was at the time, living in Honolulu.

• 1:05:32Speaker 05

  Bernadette flew back to New York, Tim, London. And I had always wanted more of a chin. I had a weak, weak chin. Now, there was an orthopedic surgeon, orthopedic, no, oral surgeon in Honolulu. Who said, oh, well, you know, I can just give it a little more. I said, I don't want to be Kirk Douglas.

• 1:05:52Amy Poehler?

  Right.

• 1:05:53Speaker 05

  I don't, I want, I love when it rains, I'd kind of like to feel it, you know. And I said, just like two or three millimeters. That's all, just so I have a little more of a chin.

• 1:06:02Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:02Speaker 05

  Okay. So, no big deal. He fixed it and yeah, I had a more chin. Okay. So about a month later, I get a call and it's Ray Starr, who's a producer, he said, we're going to reshoot the Easy Street number with just the three of you. I said, Thank goodness. That's great. So now Tim and Bernadette and I are in her office. Hannah goes on, and Mr. Houston says, well, what I think we'll do is we'll do it from when Carol ran into the closet to find Annie's locket, we'll pick it up when she comes out with the locket.

• 1:06:44Speaker 05

  I went, I said, Mr. Houston, call me John, dear. John. Two months ago, when I ran into the closet, I didn't have a chin.

• 1:06:56Speaker 05

  And now I'm coming out of the closet with a chin.

• 1:07:03Speaker 05

  He thought for a minute, he said, well, dear, just come out looking determined.

• 1:07:11Amy Poehler?

  Great direction.

• 1:07:13Speaker 05

  That's my favorite Annie story.

• 1:07:16Amy Poehler?

  I mean, I just want to end, Carol, by asking you, what is the best part about being in your 90s?

• 1:07:22Speaker 05

  That you're not 105.

• 1:07:27Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, that's yet to come.

• 1:07:30Speaker 05

  You're a kid.

• 1:07:31Amy Poehler?

  Yeah. Do you feel like a kid?

• 1:07:32Speaker 05

  A few years ago, a bunch of us were sitting around a table, said, how do you really feel inside? I said, 11. And I remember, maybe that's because that's when I would climb the sign, when I would roller skate, when I would put my handprints with Betty Grable. I don't, I don't know, but something about being 11.

• 1:07:56Speaker 05

  Go figure.

• 1:07:57Amy Poehler?

  Well, I loved you when I was 11. So when I'm with you, I feel 11 too. So it's really nice. And, you know, you, I knew I was gonna cry. I knew I was gonna cry. And Jenna said when I cried, that she would start saying, cry, cry.

• 1:08:20Amy Poehler?

  So, but I knew I would cry, but Carol, that is that sense of play. That sense of play.

• 1:08:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:26Amy Poehler?

  Like, you know, you, especially young girls, like when they're kind of really magical at 11. They haven't quite become self-conscious.

• 1:08:34Speaker 05

  Maybe that's it, yeah, they're not too smart alecky yet.

• 1:08:37Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:37Speaker 05

  That's why we're not talking about teenagers, good luck.

• 1:08:40Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, 11 is still very sweet.

• 1:08:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, when they're teenagers, you are so stupid. You have, you have no idea what life is about.

• 1:08:48Amy Poehler?

  Yep.

• 1:08:48Speaker 05

  Cause you're too old.

• 1:08:49Amy Poehler?

  Totally, but there, there's that like tender moment before you, before you become self-conscious, when you can still kind of like do your thing and not really worry about.

• 1:08:57Speaker 05

  I remember when my daughter Carrie, who I, we lost a few years ago when she was five years old, uh, we caught her in a fib and I said, that's not good. So you have your dinner and you go up to bed and, and you know, you can't stay up, you just go to, and then I went in afterwards and I, she was upset and I sat on her bed and I'm looking at her and I said, sweetheart, you know, we love you very much, but you know, if you tell a little fib, then later on it might become bigger and people don't want to be a liar and, and I'm, and she is looking at me like, you know, I said, and I'm thinking, I'm going to get a medal as a mother of the year.

• 1:09:41Speaker 05

  I am so, I, I could hear violins. I was so perfect and she's looking at me.

• 1:09:49Speaker 05

  And finally I stopped and I said, are you okay sweetheart? You want to say anything? She said, what darling? She said, how many teeth do you have?

• 1:10:07Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:10:12Amy Poehler?

  Perfect, Carol. Perfect. Yes, may we all get, when we all get back to that innocent time. Thank you so much for doing this. It means so much that you're here. I love you, Carol. Thank you for coming. And thank you so much for coming.

• 1:10:30Amy Poehler?

  Well, thank you so much, Carol Burnett. Um, I cried. And, um, look, I don't want to, I don't want this to become a thing. Okay? I don't love crying and I'm, I'm, you know, but if anyone's gonna get me there, it's Carol Burnett. I'm now technically using the Good Hang tissues that I have mocked other people for using. And now, well, it got me. So karma's a bitch. But, uh, for this polar plunge, I guess just, I, you know, um, thank you, Carol. You are a legend and, um, you mean so much to me. Thank you for doing the show. And it just also makes me think about all the women that we talked about in this interview.

• 1:11:08Amy Poehler?

  Lucille Ball, Betty Grable, um, Linda Darnell, Phyllis Diller, um, Elaine May, uh, um, uh, you know, we, all these, all these different actresses. Do yourself a favor and check them out. Um, type them in your phone or, um, ask your computer. Ask your computer to bring up a picture of them. Or whisper into your robot's ear that you want to see some of their highlights because, uh, it just, it's just a reminder of all the good performances. And also watch that great film, Stage Door, which is a great film about what Carol was talking about, about, uh, women living in a house trying to be actresses. Anyway, I don't know what I'm talking about.

• 1:11:53Amy Poehler?

  I'm crying, I've cried. It's all, it's over. I've, I've lost all credibility. Thank you so much for listening and we'll see you soon. Bye.

• 1:12:04Amy Poehler?

  You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paperkite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaia McMullin, and Aleia Zaneras. For Paperkite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.

• 1:12:29Amy Poehler?

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