Pod Insights Good Hang with Amy Poehler Ariana Grande About this episode Ariana Grande has no problem with being 5-foot-2. Amy hangs with the 'Wicked' star and talks with her about game nights with her mom, her Eugene Levy impersonation, and getting work done in the bath.
Host: Amy PoehlerGuests: Bowen Yang and Ariana GrandeExecutive Producers: Bill Simmons, Amy Poehler, and Jenna Weiss-BermanFor Paper Kite Productions: Executive producer Jenna Weiss-Berman, coordinator Sam Green, and supervising producer Joel LovellFor The Ringer: Supervising producers Juliet Litman, Sean Fennessey, and Mallory Rubin; video producers Jack Wilson, Belle Roman, and Aleya Zenieris; lighting director Caroline Jannace; audio producer Kaya McMullen; video editor Drew van Steenbergen; and booker Kat SpillaneOriginal Music: Amy Miles
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1:27 Amy Poehler? See visible.com for plan features and network management details. Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. Boy, we have a superstar on this podcast today and a wonderful person. Ariana Grande is joining us. And you know, I never had the pleasure of meeting Ariana, and I walked away feeling like the biggest fan, but also like I had met just a... Dear, dear, open-hearted and tender and nice person. So, um, we are going to talk about a lot of things today. We're going to talk about Ariana's love of the Christopher Guest movie Best in Show. We are going to talk about what it was like singing with Mariah Carey. We're going to talk about how she likes to take a bath and she's going to demonstrate
2:11 Amy Poehler? what she does in there. And we're going to, of course, talk about Wicked 2, the film that's out this week, the gigantic hit that she is the star of. But, but before we get started talking to Ariana, with a person this special, we really need a special person to kick us off. And, you know, I wanted to talk to somebody who knows Ariana, who is, um, you know, close to her, who wants to speak well behind her back and give me a good question to ask her. And we have the one, the only Bowen Yang. Bowen Yang from SNL, who I just got the chance to perform with a few weeks ago. Incredible actor, comedian, on a terrific podcast with Matt Rogers, Los Culturistas, which we all know and love.
2:56 Amy Poehler? So let's hear what Bowen has to say about our girl, Ariana Bowen. Hi.
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3:45 Speaker 01 Hi.
3:45 Amy Poehler? Hi.
3:47 Speaker 01 I love this print and this pussy bow.
3:50 Amy Poehler? Oh, my God. Thank you. I really was trying to think about what to wear for Ariana, and I wanted to go a little high femme.
3:56 Speaker 01 Yes.
3:57 Amy Poehler? And this won't come as a surprise, but I don't have a lot of that in my closet.
4:03 Speaker 01 You are the high femme. You don't need adornments for that.
4:07 Amy Poehler? Wow, thank you. She does bring out a feminine, a real, like, delicate feminine energy.
4:15 Speaker 01 Daintiness.
4:15 Amy Poehler? Yes, a daintiness. That's really nice to try to get into. Okay, we're gonna talk to her today, and thank you for this time. But before we do, I just have to say, once again, confess my love for not only you and all of the work that you do, but Lost Culture, which, congratulations on the award show that you created out of nowhere, that I hope is very strong and lucrative IP for years to come. Congratulations on your podcast, which continues to delight, inform, and entertain me in all different ways all the time. I love it.
4:52 Speaker 01 The fact that, thank you so much, I received that, the fact that I was watching my heroes, you and Kristen, name dropping us very casually in your discussion about Salt Lake City Housewives. I leapt out of bed. I was like supine in bed, maybe flirting with seasonal depression. And then y'all cured me right quick.
5:22 Amy Poehler? God, seasonal depression is a funny drag name for...
5:28 Speaker 01 For, I don't know, anyone. For me, I'll take it.
5:31 Amy Poehler? Ladies and gentlemen, seasonal depression.
5:32 Speaker 01 Coming to the stage.
5:34 Amy Poehler? By the way, before we get to...
5:39 Amy Poehler? Before we get to the question, what, where are we right now? Are we in an office of yours?
5:43 Speaker 01 We are in my home office.
5:48 Speaker 01 And I feel like I'm a commentator on MSNBC.
5:51 Amy Poehler? I was gonna say, if we were on a Zoom right now, like a Zoom pitch or something, I would pin your photo, make it full screen right now, and I would look at everything. Do you not do that when you're on Zoom?
6:02 Speaker 01 Listen, if this were my podcast, I would go into it. I don't think so many about blurring your background on Zoom. I get why people do it.
6:10 Amy Poehler? I don't like it. I think a blurred background is usually hiding a bed.
6:15 Speaker 01 Yep, unmade.
6:17 Amy Poehler? An unmade bed. And I remember those days of COVID where heads of giant film studios were talking in front of their unmade bed on Zoom.
6:30 Speaker 01 Have some respect. Not for you, for me.
6:34 Amy Poehler? Have some respect for me.
6:37 Speaker 01 I don't want to see that. I don't want to see a crumpled duvet.
6:40 Amy Poehler? No, get in front of a blank wall, babe. Anything but a bed in the background. You're a grown man.
6:48 Speaker 01 You're a grown, and somehow you're underlit? Like, fix it.
6:52 Amy Poehler? But I, so, congrats on your background. It's beautiful. I love it.
6:55 Speaker 01 Thank you.
6:55 Amy Poehler? Okay. So, we're talking to Ariana Grande today, and, you know,
7:03 Amy Poehler? I have been very heartened and not surprised by the relationship that you two have. Like, talent, talent loves talent, and the, both of you feel like you have just become very genuine and warm friends. Is that the case?
7:17 Speaker 01 It is absolutely, miraculously, the case.
7:22 Amy Poehler? When did you guys first meet?
7:23 Speaker 01 We first met in rehearsals for Wicked, and this was after the saga of me maybe not being able to do the movie because of the SNL schedule, and it has always been, was always, in that time, like, my top priority. Our wonderful benefactor, friend, boss, Lorne Michaels was like, you can't miss shows. Like, if you're gonna fly back and forth to London, like, I just don't think it's gonna work. And then, on the Wicked end, they were trying to figure out how to make it happen, and they were like, okay, I think we're gonna deploy. Miss Grande to pick up the phone and call up Lorne and try to convince him to let me do it.
8:08 Speaker 01 And I think that was the beginning of like sealing the deal of finalizing it, right? It's like she like just that imagining that convert like to be a to be a wiretap fly on the wall for that phone conversation is is really thrilling to me, just like hearing the two of them talk to each other. I mean, they have a great relationship too, because she's been at the show. She hosted the first time. I thought that was a gangbusters episode before my time there. And so she really like, she already like went to bat for me before I even met her.
8:41 Amy Poehler? And Lorne was like, Ariana, Ariana. I get it.
8:45 Speaker 01 Ariana, I get it.
8:46 Amy Poehler? I get it. It's that thing where you're trying to balance.
8:53 Speaker 01 Friendship and your dreams.
8:55 Amy Poehler? Are you going to Wimbledon?
8:57 Speaker 01 Are you going to Wimbledon? You know, I was at Tom Stoppard's birthday and
9:05 Speaker 01 he's, he's, he's written some of the best plays ever. And I think, you know, Wicked is, I think Wicked's a play.
9:11 Amy Poehler? Would you say it's a play?
9:14 Amy Poehler? But, you know, shout out to Lorne. He did not need to give you that time off, babe. He didn't need to give you the time off and she closed the deal.
9:22 Speaker 01 And she closed the deal and then that's began this like really organic thing. And I was very, this thing that I've learned from working at SNL is like you never step on the gas. If you want to like make any sort of genuine connection with the host, you never want to force a friendship or camaraderie. And so I went into that experience being like, I'm going to be boundaries king mutually, like respecting other peoples and honoring my own. And I was not like forcing this friendship necessarily, but she was just so warm and inviting. And somehow, within like a couple of weeks, we were like watching mommy dearest together and like playing rummy cube and like baking cakes. And it was, it just happened in the most unforced way, I think.
10:07 Speaker 01 And that is, that also speaks to like the tone of the friendship and the, and sort of her personhood in herself. Like she's just a very. I don't know. I think she's someone who like is strength in softness. She is like, you know, incredibly vulnerable and that is why people adore her.
10:27 Amy Poehler? So what question, do you have a question that you think nobody ever asks Ariana or would be an interesting question for her to speak about or, um, you know, something that would be fun for us to talk about?
10:40 Speaker 01 Yeah. I mean, like, what does she think the through line of her work is? Like, I think she has had such a varied career, right? Like, start off Nickelodeon, or I'm sorry, you start off Broadway, you go to Nickelodeon, you go pop star, you go actor.
11:03 Speaker 01 And like, there's like fashion iconography on top of that, like throughout. It's like, I want to see what the unifying theory is from her. She will kind of like squirm at that question because anytime I like want to like talk to her about like what her favorite album is, she's like, don't do that. Like, it's, it's great. It's great. It's like true front. She's like, I don't want, you're not like Entertainment Tonight. Like, what are you doing? I'm curious to see how she would answer that through you, through me. And also, the second question is, um, silly dumb question. What's the best note to sing?
11:37 Amy Poehler? Ooh.
11:39 Speaker 01 What's the best note to sing?
11:42 Amy Poehler? That's such a good, it's so good because, I mean, I, I'm sure you are the same. I mean, I, I just love music and watching when the way singers sing. I feel that way about when dancers dance. Like, it's just like, it's just like, wow, how did you do that? I just can't, it just feels like magic. And there's so many notes that she can sing.
12:06 Speaker 01 Right. She must have one that she loves.
12:09 Amy Poehler? Let's do, let's do a B, let's do an A. Let's keep it in G.
12:13 Speaker 01 Keep it in G. Let's do G, G5, or whatever the octave is. It's like, it's like the, the, the letter and the number because it's the octave on the piano or whatever. Like, I don't, you know, I'm not, I'm not a music theorist, but she, I'm sure she has a thought around that.
12:28 Amy Poehler? That's such a good question. It's like, we've done B minor too many times. That old hacky note.
12:36 Speaker 01 Oh, that old chestnut, ugh. Get that away. Get B minor away. I need to do major.
12:41 Amy Poehler? Well, I cannot wait to see you soon. Thank you so much for doing this. I know she will be thrilled that you did, Bowen. I just adore you.
12:49 Speaker 01 I love you so much. I'll see you very soon.
12:51 Amy Poehler? Same, same, same. Thank you so much for your time.
12:54 Speaker 01 Bye, guys.
12:56 Amy Poehler? Ariana.
12:57 Speaker 02 I'm so excited to be here with you. I don't even know how to talk anymore. That was not English.
13:02 Amy Poehler? Did you just use an English accent?
13:04 Speaker 02 No.
13:10 Amy Poehler? Do you? I feel like you're a sponge, though. I feel like you pick up on the way other people talk.
13:14 Speaker 02 I think I've always loved to do voices. Like, when I was a little girl, I loved to impersonate and do characters and voices and accents and...
13:23 Amy Poehler? You're so good at them. And that's kind of what I wanted to start with today. First of all, it's nice to meet you.
13:27 Speaker 02 It's nice to meet you, too. I love you so much.
13:29 Amy Poehler? I love you, too. I feel like I know you, as most people do, but I am thrilled to meet you in person.
13:35 Speaker 02 Me, too.
13:36 Amy Poehler? And I was thinking about how to start today, and I was thinking, yes, we'll talk, of course, about the huge success of Wicked, and we'll talk about your music, and we'll talk about your life and all that. But I wanted to talk about you as a funny person, as a comedian, as a deeply, genuinely funny person. You're very funny.
13:53 Speaker 02 Thank you. Coming from you, I am, yeah, I'm shitting. Like, I've been saying since I walked in, but that's really how I feel. Like, I can't. I adore you, and I, yeah, I look up to you so much. I love SNL. I'm like a student of R.E.A.
14:10 Amy Poehler? Well, what is your relationship to comedy? Like, when you were growing up, what were you watching? What did you like?
14:14 Speaker 02 My favorite movie was Best in Show from a really young age. I, which is so strange, you know, to be a child and to really love that. I don't know, I was really young.
14:25 Amy Poehler? Did you love that style of, you know, that, like, mockumentary style?
14:29 Speaker 02 I did. I did. I loved, like, dry humor, and it made me feel so close to my family, like, laughter. My dad and I bonded over our favorite movies and...
14:39 Amy Poehler? What kind of, what's your dad's sense of humor?
14:42 Speaker 02 We love Jim Carrey. We love, you know, all the Adam Sandler movies, and, you know, that kind of thing. The Christopher Guest, of course, and SNL. And that was just sort of how we bonded, was through comedy.
14:55 Amy Poehler? Do you remember getting your first laugh? Do you remember, like, being in?
15:00 Speaker 02 Getting my first laugh. Yeah, I actually, wow, I've never thought about this in my life. But I was really little, I don't know how old I was, but I was doing stand up. I forget the name of my persona that I had created, but I was doing stand up as a guy. As like, I was like this guy, this old guy from my grandparents. And I got a laugh from them and I just remember it felt so special. I don't know.
15:28 Amy Poehler? You were in their house doing it?
15:29 Speaker 02 Yes, and I don't remember the name of the character, but it was full out. It was like I had disappeared into this man.
15:36 Amy Poehler? I'm always interested in the connection between musicians and comedians because I think they have some kind of love for each other. And I don't exactly know what it is.
15:43 Speaker 02 I think so. I think, I think for me personally, the thing that I love about both so much, music and comedy is that they've always made me feel so like safe and like I can relate to the person.
15:56 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
15:57 Speaker 02 And.
15:58 Amy Poehler? You learn a lot about somebody by what they laugh at.
16:00 Speaker 02 Yes, you do.
16:02 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
16:03 Speaker 02 And when you find someone who has the same sort of like ticklish spots as you, that's just the best thing, you know? When you work with someone and you find someone that tickles you the same way. My best friend Liz Gillies, we look up to you and Tina so much because we are like, oh, my God, we should do things like that someday.
16:21 Amy Poehler? You guys are so funny together.
16:22 Speaker 02 Oh, my God.
16:23 Amy Poehler? What I love about your, what I've seen of your relationship is again, that kind of feeling of play, like you know each other and you kind of relax, like being stupid, basically.
16:32 Speaker 02 We love to be stupid. What a gift it is to be able to play and be stupid sometimes.
16:37 Amy Poehler? I know, and I mean, I feel that when you do SNL is that you're not afraid to be stupid and you kind of like it.
16:42 Speaker 02 It's the best.
16:43 Amy Poehler? It's the best.
16:43 Speaker 02 And it's, it's so vulnerable, but you can't be afraid. It's like, it's just the most thrilling thing and you really have to be down.
16:51 Amy Poehler? You do, you can't go in halfway.
16:52 Speaker 02 No.
16:53 Amy Poehler? And it is, whether it's you impersonating someone or you're doing some stupid idea, it's, it's. I'm sure you feel this way too. I bet it's similar to singing, which is you have to kind of push through to the other side and make sure you're committing to whatever you're doing.
17:09 Speaker 02 Have to see it through.
17:12 Speaker 02 It doesn't matter.
17:12 Amy Poehler? And if you're on the, and you're locked eyes with someone in the scene is, because you've done SNL a few times.
17:17 Speaker 02 And their bald cap is sliding and you're like, what the hell are we doing?
17:21 Amy Poehler? Yeah. Or you're like, this scene's never gonna see the light of day. Like, we're, this is not making the show.
17:26 Speaker 02 Well, we have to be safe with each other.
17:28 Amy Poehler? Totally. It really is where like love, love blooms.
17:31 Speaker 02 It really is. It really is. It's true.
17:33 Amy Poehler? It's true, because if you, if you hang in there with each other, then you're kind of friends for life.
17:38 Speaker 02 Yeah. It's true.
17:40 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
17:40 Speaker 02 We've, we've kind of had some really extraordinary circumstances with slime and bald caps and things.
17:45 Amy Poehler? Yeah. Did you ever have any things on SNL where, where, you know, it's always fun, like the bloopers of that show, like where things go wrong, or you don't make your change or anything, like would a stress dream come true? Did anything ever happen there when you were there?
18:00 Speaker 02 First of all, I am dying for your stories. Can I, can I return the question after I answer?
18:05 Amy Poehler? Absolutely.
18:06 Speaker 02 Please. I have so many for you. Can we do another episode where I'm just asking all the questions, please?
18:12 Amy Poehler? Let's switch seats.
18:14 Speaker 02 But, no, I thankfully, other than like breaking a couple of times.
18:20 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
18:21 Speaker 02 Um, there was this sketch that didn't air that we did with Taron Killam.
18:26 Amy Poehler? Mm-hmm.
18:27 Speaker 02 And he was, he had this big, big 70s hair and he played this like weird musician person and he wrote this song that was so long and so strange and, and I don't think, I don't think like Lorne loved it at the end of the day.
18:43 Amy Poehler? Sure. And the audience was like.
18:45 Speaker 02 I loved it so much.
18:47 Amy Poehler? You were fighting for it.
18:48 Speaker 02 And I thought the audience was on our side as well, but it was cut for time and that was kind of heartbreaking because it was just so ticklish.
18:54 Amy Poehler? I bet he still thinks about it that and appreciates it because there's nothing better than when the host fights for something of yours, even if it doesn't make it, it means something that they do.
19:03 Speaker 02 I cherish it. My dad watches it every day. That sketch, it's on YouTube and he watches it every single day without, I'm, I'm not kidding. He starts his days with Smile. I think it's, I don't remember what it's called, but I think it's, the song was called Smile.
19:14 Amy Poehler? And he was like a 70, so it made the show.
19:19 Speaker 02 And she smiled too big for her face. And everyone was like.
19:26 Speaker 02 But we were lo- we loved it. We loved it.
19:28 Amy Poehler? Oh my god. I mean, yeah, one of the people that became a friend to you is Bowen Yang.
19:34 Speaker 02 Yes.
19:34 Amy Poehler? Such a talented, nice person.
19:38 Speaker 02 The most brilliant, the kindest, most caring, so, so ridiculously otherworldly smart. Oh, and just so funny. I love him so much.
19:49 Amy Poehler? Well, we do this thing on this pod where we kind of ask people, um, we have guests, uh, who know our guests to come on and, and we speak well behind their back and they give me a question to ask. And so we talked to Bowen today.
20:03 Speaker 02 Oh, my god.
20:04 Amy Poehler? Yes. Bowen was your person.
20:06 Speaker 02 No.
20:06 Amy Poehler? Yes. And, um, Bowen had such amazing things to say about you.
20:13 Speaker 02 Oh, no.
20:14 Amy Poehler? And just you, that sketch when you two were together as the, that was your idea, right? That when you were basically playing some version of your mom?
20:22 Speaker 02 I was, I was. A version of my mom.
20:25 Amy Poehler? So for people that don't remember, it was kind of like a game, a version.
20:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, sure. Yeah.
20:29 Amy Poehler? Yeah, sure.
20:30 Speaker 02 She's very proud of that, too.
20:31 Amy Poehler? Yeah, it was a game night that went wrong, basically.
20:34 Speaker 02 It sure was.
20:34 Amy Poehler? Yeah. And you came to Bowen with the idea, which he said was like being handed a gift.
20:39 Speaker 02 Yes, because sometimes life has to inform art. And this was one of those moments. I was like, Bowen, there's no reason that this happened if we're not supposed to use it. And it was a...
20:52 Amy Poehler? So what is your mom like? Tell us, tell us what your mom is like, like that sketch?
20:57 Speaker 02 I mean, just sometimes, just sometimes. That's a, that's a side of her. She's a beautiful, gorgeous soul. I love her so much. But she was very proud of that, too. I warned her 15 minutes before it started. The show, no, the, the show started that night. She was in my dressing room. She's like, break a leg, honey. I was like, by the way, sorry. I have to tell you because the wig arrived and it's your hair. I thought it was gonna be like a blonde bob. I didn't know it was gonna be your hair, but it, since it is your hair, you do have to know I'm you in a sketch. And she was like, oh, I can't wait. And she loved it.
21:25 Amy Poehler? She loved it.
21:26 Speaker 02 And I heard her, as I was running to my quick change, being like, that's about me. That's about me. She's being me.
21:32 Amy Poehler? She loved it.
21:32 Speaker 02 She loved it. She loved it. But we were having a family game night and...
21:39 Speaker 02 My brother's husband's brother was a guest. We were playing games and, um, you know, my, my, I don't have, I didn't get this thing that my brother and my mom have where playing games is really, is really, really competitive.
21:58 Amy Poehler? Okay.
21:58 Speaker 02 I just want to be there.
21:59 Amy Poehler? You just want to have fun.
22:00 Speaker 02 I love to have fun. I want to be with everyone. I love them. I'm like really thankful for the time that we get to be together. I'm like, yay, let's play a game. That's not how they are.
22:09 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
22:09 Speaker 02 It's really intense. Yeah, and they're really grateful too, and it's good vibes until, you know, someone's losing. And then, um, yeah, my mom just said like under her breath, like, tiny dick syndrome or something. And I was like, whoa, mommy? Excuse me.
22:28 Amy Poehler? Mommy.
22:28 Speaker 02 Wait, wait, wait.
22:29 Amy Poehler? Mommy, your inside thought went outside.
22:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, ma'am. I was like, mom, you didn't just say that. And they were all like giggling, but like nervously. And I was like, this is, she's joking, she's doing a bit. And she was like, no, that's what that is. And I was like.
22:44 Amy Poehler? Coming down the barrel so hard.
22:46 Speaker 02 And I was like, excuse me, guys. Bowen, hi.
22:50 Speaker 02 That's something that's just happened at some point in our lives. We have to use this.
22:53 Amy Poehler? You were so funny in it. I mean, you're so funny in so much stuff that you did.
22:57 Speaker 02 Thank you.
22:58 Amy Poehler? I mean, you're singing off key in Domingo, which is hard to do. I mean, was it hard to do to sing off key?
23:04 Speaker 02 It was fun. It was really fun. And I liked that it got worse every time I came back to the mic. It was like, I started really subtly.
23:10 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
23:11 Speaker 02 But, but no, but with game that I, I had to fight for that one. Like you said, like sometimes it's, it's the most gratifying when you fight for it and then finally people believe it. I was so happy.
23:23 Amy Poehler? I feel like I get a sense from you that, you know, and you've been working long enough now to know that one of the things I think that's nice about getting older is you know what you're good at. Like you're like, I think I can do this well. Like, that isn't always the case when we're figuring ourselves out, like what we can actually deliver on. But I feel like, that's what I mean about the confidence. I feel like you know.
23:42 Speaker 02 Oh, God.
23:42 Amy Poehler? What you can do well comedically.
23:44 Speaker 02 That is such a generous and nice thing to say. Oh, my God, I hope this is okay. Sorry that I'm here. No, I'm good. But like.
23:50 Amy Poehler? But I feel that about you.
23:52 Speaker 02 I know what tickles me. And I know that I, um, I know how it feels like with the players, like to experience and if it has that like. Carbonation, that ticklish thing, it's, then there's a chance, you know?
24:05 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
24:05 Speaker 02 And I am not one to, you know, I would never, but we were in Lauren's office and we were going over the run of the show and he kept moving game night over. And I was like, Lauren, I'm so sorry. Please, can we at least try it at dress? Can we please try it at dress? Please, I'm so sorry. Like, I promise, I owe you forever. Can we just try it at dress? Okay. And he moved it back.
24:25 Amy Poehler? I mean, people don't know that what's so cool and terrifying about the SNL system is it still uses just index cards.
24:33 Speaker 02 I love the index cards.
24:35 Amy Poehler? And you have these index cards with your scenes and then it's just very like high school play. You walk in and everyone looks up to see if their card made it into the show.
24:46 Speaker 02 It's so special.
24:46 Amy Poehler? It is. It's really old school and it is, I have a little bit of PTSD when I see index cards. Because when you just said, moving the index card, that I just had a moment of like,
24:58 Speaker 02 I'm so sorry.
24:59 Amy Poehler? Because I remember many times where the index card was in a safe zone and then you come in, you're like, where did it go?
25:04 Speaker 02 Oh, no. Wait, do you have ones that you want to share about?
25:10 Amy Poehler? Well, you know what's also fun about those index cards is there is always kind of a collection at the bottom because the show often runs long. And you know, sometimes things have to get cut on the fly, as people know. There'll be like two index cards fighting for the bottom.
25:23 Speaker 02 Right.
25:24 Amy Poehler? There'll be two scenes that are in the bottom and you're like, see on the mat? Like, let's see which one makes it.
25:28 Speaker 02 And you don't know until it's just.
25:30 Amy Poehler? Yeah. It really does kind of build your, I think, your tolerance for rejection.
25:36 Speaker 02 Right.
25:36 Amy Poehler? Yeah. Just kind of like, you get used to thinking, okay, this isn't my last good idea. I have to try again next week. I think that's good.
25:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
25:44 Amy Poehler? Yeah. But you feel, but I feel like, well, Bowen, Bowen was so great talking about you because, you know, he's such a friend and also.
25:55 Amy Poehler? Loves talking about how easy it is to talk to you. And then his two questions were really funny. One, I don't really understand. One was kind of like.
26:05 Speaker 02 I'm scared.
26:06 Amy Poehler? No, they were there. But one was like, um, what, what would Ariana say is the trajectory of her career? What is the unifying theme?
26:16 Speaker 02 Oh, wow.
26:17 Amy Poehler? I know, it's, it's kind of, it might be hard to answer this early in the interview, but.
26:20 Speaker 02 No, I feel, it feels clear, actually.
26:23 Amy Poehler? Oh, she's ready to answer.
26:24 Speaker 02 It just, it feels as clear as.
26:26 Amy Poehler? Incredible.
26:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, I don't know. I, I think I just am feeling a lot more connected to myself and my art since I started doing different things. I think, um, you know, I spent so much time only doing pop music, but I grew up as a girl who loved musical theater and comedy. So I think the thing that will be like best for my soul and also for my art and for what I'm giving myself to is if I'm chasing things that, um, sort of feel
27:00 Speaker 02 just very right in the moment, even if it's spontaneous, but something different. Like I am doing a movie right now because it's a role that I, I read the script and I love it and it's funny and I love the cast and I'm so excited. And then I'm going to do a small stint of shows next year because that is like something that authentically sounded good to me.
27:22 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
27:23 Speaker 02 And then, you know, from there, there are other things that are different. And I think following those authentic impulses, um, feel, it feels like a really good idea, like a, a good thing. I think I was suffering.
27:40 Amy Poehler? I think it's a sense of like getting older and getting, understanding, like listening to your own body, like figuring out, yeah, figuring out, asking yourself, what do you want first, which isn't always the case in, in, when we're, um, when we're doing a lot of work, we're sometimes doing things because we have to do them or we should do them. And then when you take even a second to say.
28:01 Amy Poehler? What do I want to do? What feels right? Yeah.
28:04 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's something that is learned over time. For me, I, when I, you know, sort of came into all of this and my pop career sort of took over my life in a way. I didn't have that at all, you know?
28:18 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
28:19 Speaker 02 And I think that is, I feel very like privileged and grateful to have learned that, that there can be room for, for different creative endeavors.
28:28 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
28:30 Speaker 02 So that's been a really beautiful thing. I think it will change a lot. I think the first, the last, you know,
28:38 Speaker 02 10 or 15 years will look very different to the ones that are coming up. And I don't want to say any definitive things. Like, I, I do know that I'm very excited to do this small tour, but I think it might not happen again for a long, long, long, long time.
28:52 Amy Poehler? Sure.
28:52 Speaker 02 You know, so I'm gonna give it my all and it's gonna be beautiful. And I'm so grateful that, I think that's why I'm doing it.
28:58 Amy Poehler? Mm-hmm.
28:59 Speaker 02 Because I'm like, one last hurrah.
29:01 Amy Poehler? Perfect, because for now, never say never.
29:04 Speaker 02 No, no, no, I'm not.
29:05 Amy Poehler? And it'll, and also, I think, to your point, like, when you're able to step away from acting or music or writing, you, then you really appreciate it when you get to go back to it.
29:16 Speaker 02 So much more. And like, you are able to do better by that art form because you're appreciative and really able to feel present in it.
29:27 Amy Poehler? Well, this leads me to Bowen's next question, which was, what is your favorite note to sing?
29:34 Speaker 02 Oh, my God. My favorite note to sing.
29:37 Amy Poehler? I know. Okay, I'm gonna play you a note. You tell me if you like it. Okay.
29:42 Speaker 02 Okay.
29:43 Amy Poehler? Because we gotta get, I mean, I, well, I just got nervous when I just named the note G because I was like, that's a note, right?
29:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
29:54 Speaker 02 I know that G is a note that I, that was the highest note of my ad lib that I sang in 13.
30:00 Amy Poehler? I think G is pretty high.
30:01 Speaker 02 It was something that I sang in 13, I know that.
30:06 Speaker 02 That's a nice one.
30:09 Speaker 02 Can't tell you, but I love it.
30:10 Amy Poehler? Okay, let's do another one.
30:12 Speaker 02 Is this what I'm supposed to do?
30:14 Amy Poehler? Here we go.
30:17 Amy Poehler? Here we go, here's a C.
30:18 Speaker 02 Oh. Beautiful. I have never sounded that.
30:24 Speaker 02 Gorgeous.
30:26 Amy Poehler? Okay, so Bowen, we don't know, we don't know the answer. We don't know.
30:29 Speaker 02 But I did learn a lot about music theory today. Thank you so much, Amy Poehler, for my.
30:34 Amy Poehler? For my. One of those notes reminds me of Annie, which I know you were in, which is one of my favorite musicals.
30:43 Speaker 02 Tomorrow.
30:45 Amy Poehler? Yes, what is that note?
30:47 Speaker 02 I don't know.
30:48 Amy Poehler? We'll never know. We'll never know.
30:50 Speaker 02 I'll never know, but I do know.
30:51 Amy Poehler? That's a hard one to hit.
30:53 Speaker 02 I hear the relation, I hear the, I know why you thought of that.
30:56 Amy Poehler? One of my favorite songs in any musical is Maybe in Annie. I love Maybe.
31:01 Speaker 02 That is such a good song. Sad one.
31:03 Amy Poehler? That's a sad one.
31:04 Speaker 02 No, that'll do it.
31:05 Amy Poehler? Yeah, that'll get you going.
31:06 Speaker 02 That'll get you going.
31:07 Amy Poehler? And was that fun to be a little kid in Annie?
31:10 Speaker 02 It was fun to be a little kid in Annie.
31:12 Amy Poehler? What a part!
31:13 Speaker 02 And what a big part. It was really a huge undertaking at that age.
31:17 Amy Poehler? It's true. I was, I was talking to Rachel Dratch, we were talking about musicals that like shaped us. And for women my age, I'm in my 50s, like Annie was just, it was kind of like, it was about, it was just like, it was about us. Like it was, it was like a musical for us. It really was. It felt like the first, it was not about us, we were not orphans.
31:38 Speaker 02 I was thinking, wait, okay.
31:40 Amy Poehler? But it was for us.
31:43 Speaker 02 Annie was for you?
31:44 Amy Poehler? It was a young, it was, she was the same age as us, right? Like that part was, you know, to just to have a young girl be the lead of a, of a Broadway show, and it's named after her. It's not called Daddy Warbucks and the Little Girl. It's called Annie.
32:01 Speaker 02 It shouldn't be called that.
32:02 Amy Poehler? Shouldn't be called that.
32:03 Speaker 02 I don't like that title. Wait, so what are your, what are your?
32:06 Amy Poehler? Well, it's funny with, oh, my SNL or my musical?
32:10 Speaker 02 Your SNL, like?
32:11 Amy Poehler? Bloopers?
32:12 Speaker 02 Bloopers. What's one of your favorite blooper moments?
32:15 Amy Poehler? One thing that comes to mind is one time I was doing a sketch where, I think Jason Bateman was the host, and there was a monkey in the sketch, like a, I would say maybe a chimpanzee, like a formidable-
32:28 Speaker 02 An animal actor?
32:29 Amy Poehler? Yes, an animal actor.
32:30 Speaker 02 How do you feel about animal actors?
32:31 Amy Poehler? I don't like them.
32:32 Speaker 02 Yeah, not good.
32:33 Amy Poehler? I don't like them, and I, it's too stressful for me. And it was like a young chimpanzee, and I keep, I'm going like this because I just want to show how strong it was.
32:45 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:46 Amy Poehler? And I walked past the chimpanzee, and it reached out and grabbed me by the wrist.
32:53 Speaker 02 Oh, no.
32:54 Amy Poehler? And wouldn't let go.
32:55 Speaker 02 Oh, fuck.
32:56 Amy Poehler? In the middle of a quick change. I think it was like the blonde hair or my vibe.
33:01 Speaker 02 Ooh.
33:02 Amy Poehler? And I started screaming.
33:04 Speaker 02 Oh, that's really traumatic.
33:06 Amy Poehler? And chimpanzees are very strong.
33:09 Speaker 02 Yeah, I, I like, I, famously.
33:12 Amy Poehler? Yeah, so that was one where I was like, and I couldn't get it to let go of me, and I had to-
33:17 Speaker 02 Were you okay?
33:18 Amy Poehler? Yeah, it was all fine. It was all fine. But that wasn't, that was, would that be considered a blooper?
33:22 Speaker 02 I don't, I don't know. I think that's like PTSD.
33:24 Amy Poehler? Yeah, that's PTSD.
33:25 Speaker 02 It's like a different colder, but I love it. I'm glad I know.
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36:17 Amy Poehler? I do want to talk to you about musicals because I know you love musicals, of course.
36:22 Speaker 02 I do.
36:23 Amy Poehler? I like them very much.
36:27 Amy Poehler? I do, I like them very much.
36:30 Speaker 02 They are, I can also admit they're ridiculous.
36:32 Amy Poehler? Well, what I love about them is when I feel transported, to me, that is the best feeling ever when I watch anything. But it's harder for me to get transported in musicals than in other things. And I get, you know, it's kind of like improv, like there's a vulnerability in that moment. And if it's good, you're psyched, and if it's not good.
36:52 Speaker 02 It's tough.
36:53 Amy Poehler? It's tough.
36:53 Speaker 02 It's ticklish.
36:55 Amy Poehler? Yes, how do you, when you've done many musicals, you're currently making a film about probably the most famous musical, Wicked. Like, when you're, when you have that moment right before the actor sings.
37:07 Speaker 02 Right.
37:07 Amy Poehler? It's just like jumping off a cliff, kind of. You have to stay in the acting moment and then switch into song. Do you know what I mean? What do you do in the preciousness of that moment?
37:18 Speaker 02 Well, for Wicked, thankfully, I do feel like it's really well-written.
37:26 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
37:26 Speaker 02 For the characters and for the moment. So it feels like they have to sing the next thought, you know? But I think so that it can be as honest as possible and feel like it's just acting and like the singing, whatever. It's vocal training way long before you get there. So that it doesn't even feel like a thought. Like, I trained my voice for months before my first audition because Glinda's voice is so different than mine.
37:50 Amy Poehler? How did you train it?
37:52 Speaker 02 I trained with my vocal coach, Eric Vitro. And it just takes muscle memory. So for weeks and weeks and weeks, I'd go every day. I was a coach on The Voice at the time. And I was going in the mornings to Eric and then my acting coach, Nancy Banks. And we would work on random things, not even Glinda-related things, just to sort of get the muscles moving. And I hadn't acted in a long time. And it was important to me to get ready for the audition. And, you know, I just spent...
38:25 Speaker 02 Every day going to retrain that falsetto operatic area of my voice because I wasn't using it for a long time. And you can hear the quality change if you look through like the voice notes from way back then. Like the first week I went, there was so much air seeping out. And then slowly but surely, like week after week, there was more purity and more clarity to the tone.
38:49 Amy Poehler? When you get higher, does there have to be less air? Like, everything has to be tighter in the vocal cords?
38:54 Speaker 02 No, I think it just sounded, I guess what I mean by that was that you could hear like more rasp in my voice.
39:00 Amy Poehler? Right.
39:01 Speaker 02 So the same amount of air, but just the quality became clearer and more pure as time went on.
39:05 Amy Poehler? And Glenda doesn't have a rasp. She's a, does she?
39:09 Speaker 02 No, I mean, unless there's like an emotional break or something like that, that can be imperfect, but she has a pure tone.
39:16 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
39:17 Speaker 02 And it's more classical. And I trained really hard so that that could not be a thought on set. So that by the time we were in it and had to move seamlessly into the songs, hopefully, you know, that wasn't a stress, that wasn't a thing. No one was worried about, are the notes gonna come out right? And if they didn't, it probably made sense emotionally. You know, there are moments where, especially in the second one, where we have breaks and we have like choked up and you can hear it. And that's kind of like the beauty of being able to do it live on set because you get to honor what's happening in the scene.
39:53 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
39:54 Speaker 02 But it's Wicked. And I hear what you're saying, where like, maybe if it was something else, it might be, I don't know, it's like that back and forth is so hard to do. But, you know, thankfully, these songs felt so intentional. Every single song in Wicked feels so purposeful.
40:11 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
40:12 Speaker 02 For the arcs of the characters and for what's going on.
40:16 Amy Poehler? Did you speak in a different voice as Glenda?
40:18 Speaker 02 I did, yeah.
40:19 Amy Poehler? A higher voice so you could stay there when you sang?
40:21 Speaker 02 I did. It was kind of, so on days when I'm singing, I'll, and also, most of the time, this is kind of where my voice sits, is like here.
40:31 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
40:32 Speaker 02 But sometimes it'll move lower and then sometimes it'll move higher. For Glenda... When she's uh younger, it was a little bit pingier. And in the, when she's older, it's a little more grounded, a little more lived in. She's like a public figure now. She's supposed to, you know, she has this like responsibility. So it's a little more, and she's been through more. So it has a slightly different tone. But then when she's with Elfie again and having fun, there's more pep.
41:00 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
41:01 Speaker 02 And um, yeah, I feel like people's-
41:03 Amy Poehler? That's incredible that you tracked all that.
41:05 Speaker 02 It was important.
41:06 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
41:07 Speaker 02 Uh, thank you, but you know, it felt really important and helpful because we were shooting both films at the same time.
41:13 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
41:13 Speaker 02 So just making sure, I also, I I kept uh track of all of that with color-coded sticky tabs. So that I could like-
41:22 Amy Poehler? I love a sticky tab.
41:23 Speaker 02 Take a peek at which color so that I could bounce back and forth. And then, you know, there were a lot of little tools that helped with the mindset shift between both films, but that was um one of them. And singing voice and speaking voice feeling a little different. Where, that was a really fun thing to sort of figure out. Um, some of her songs in the second movie, you get to hear her open up a little more. Whereas like, everything in the first movie is so um controlled and prim and proper and bubbly. Um, yeah, you get to kind of like peel back so many different layers.
42:04 Speaker 02 She grows a lot in the first movie. Her arc is, she has a a big arc in the first movie. And then in the second one, there's a lot more to go.
42:12 Amy Poehler? Yeah, because you're so good, you're such a mimic. You do men's voices very well.
42:18 Speaker 02 I am working on it. Cause I'd like to do more male drag and more male voices.
42:22 Amy Poehler? Your Eugene Levy was amazing.
42:24 Speaker 02 Thank you. How did you see that? How have you seen that?
42:26 Amy Poehler? From my laptop. I, everything is here.
42:30 Speaker 02 No one knows about that.
42:31 Amy Poehler? You're, can you do a little Eugene Levy? Can you, do you remember?
42:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, I, you know, I, I, the thing about that day is I had- I went to a place that I've never gone before. And I don't know if I am able to access that just on the fly, but I can try.
42:46 Amy Poehler? Of course, of course.
42:47 Speaker 02 I also had put my gum in my Invisalign.
42:50 Amy Poehler? Ooh, that's helpful.
42:52 Speaker 02 Because we had teeth, but they weren't like working, they weren't sticking. So I put gum in my Invisalign, which really helped.
42:57 Amy Poehler? And you were playing the character he played in Best in Show, but not Eugene.
43:01 Speaker 02 Yes, it wasn't Eugene, it was, um...
43:02 Amy Poehler? Eugene is very sophisticated, not this character.
43:04 Speaker 02 Jerry Fleck.
43:05 Amy Poehler? Mm-hmm.
43:06 Speaker 02 I was playing Jerry Fleck. And he was sort of like, "Hold on, I have to like, I have to like, relax my body." I don't know, I dropped into this.
43:14 Amy Poehler? Yeah, Eugene.
43:15 Speaker 02 Um, I'd like to think that Cookie and I... It's not as low as I'd like today. I don't have my basement today.
43:21 Amy Poehler? It's so good.
43:23 Speaker 02 Work as a team, though I do nothing. She does all the work with Winky. Uh, back to, uh, I don't know, back in the day when I was at Pont St. Elion Junior High. Well, uh...
43:37 Amy Poehler? I wish you could... Fuck, I wish people listening could look at Ariana's face.
43:41 Speaker 02 It's really bad. What is it doing?
43:42 Amy Poehler? It's transforming, it's really good.
43:45 Speaker 02 I never have any idea.
43:46 Amy Poehler? But you have a, you have a way to get pretty, you can get pretty low.
43:50 Speaker 02 I sometimes can, yeah.
43:52 Amy Poehler? And you do have that, I mean, I, I love, I, I love, I want, I wa, like, I feel like there's a lot of men's voices you could do well.
44:02 Speaker 02 Oh, my God.
44:02 Amy Poehler? Because you're very, you're very, you're very high femme, as people like to say, I don't know. And, um...
44:08 Speaker 02 High femme.
44:08 Amy Poehler? High femme.
44:09 Speaker 02 I think.
44:10 Amy Poehler? And, um, but...
44:11 Speaker 02 I think we both are.
44:12 Amy Poehler? I, I, I didn't think I was, but Bowen told me I was.
44:15 Speaker 02 I think you are, but you also have such comfortability doing great male voices and characters.
44:21 Amy Poehler? Same, and I, and, you know, and I think what I love about you is the way in which you're very like, open and, um, supportive of the way that gender is its own fluid experience and expression in, in, in the way you live your life and also the way you support people who are expressing that fluidity. But I think you have a very interesting masculine feminine energy that you're always playing around with, and it's cool to see it.
44:49 Speaker 02 It's so nice.
44:50 Amy Poehler? It's cool to see it.
44:51 Speaker 02 That's so nice.
44:51 Amy Poehler? You have a wide range of how you can play around.
44:54 Speaker 02 That is so nice.
44:55 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
44:56 Speaker 02 I'd like to play more men.
44:57 Amy Poehler? Yeah, okay, America.
45:02 Speaker 02 Oh, we should have worn mustaches.
45:04 Amy Poehler? Oh, I love a mustache. I love a mustache.
45:07 Speaker 02 I love a mustache as well. With, with, for Jerry, for my performance as Jerry, I had these big eyebrows and no other makeup and, and big, the, yeah, the invisibility on my teeth. It was really fun.
45:19 Amy Poehler? And then you can do that really breathy, you know, and also Judy Garland is up in that world. I know you love Judy. And she, and you have, you can do, I just, I mean, I'm just,
45:31 Speaker 02 This is so nice.
45:32 Amy Poehler? I'm pointing out your range.
45:33 Speaker 02 Coming from you, I feel like I am dreaming.
45:36 Amy Poehler? I don't know if anyone's told you, you're very talented.
45:38 Speaker 02 That is very kind.
45:39 Amy Poehler? You're very, very talented.
45:41 Speaker 02 Well, so are you.
45:41 Amy Poehler? Well, I mean, and, and you know, you, it is pretty, it's so fantastic to hear your name up with, it's like, Celine, Whitney, Mariah.
45:53 Speaker 02 What are you talking about?
45:55 Amy Poehler? Ariana, you're in that sentence.
45:56 Speaker 02 No.
45:57 Amy Poehler? Yes, ma'am.
45:58 Speaker 02 No, no, no.
45:59 Amy Poehler? Yes, you are in that sentence. And what-
46:01 Speaker 02 That's crazy.
46:03 Amy Poehler? It must be, I guess, because I'm talking about people that you love, study and completely like are, are, you know, a huge fan and you're also their peer and you're singing with them. Who is someone that you sang with that you had to just kind of like keep looking over and being like, oh my, oh my God, like, I can't believe I'm singing with them?
46:24 Speaker 02 Mariah.
46:25 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
46:26 Speaker 02 Every time I'm, I cross paths with her, which has been like a handful now, and that feels just like such a dream. I have to pinch myself and the best part is how kind she has been to me and how she's embraced me and just, she's a wonderful, kind person. I really love her. It's very surreal.
46:53 Amy Poehler? What was it about Mariah's music, growing up, that spoke to you? What was that special sauce about her voice?
46:59 Speaker 02 The vocals and the sense of humor. I think her, her, her pen and her producing ear, I mean, yes, she's the greatest vocalist, of course, but the, the other pieces are just so, are just what make her her, you know?
47:17 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
47:19 Speaker 02 Talk about, you know, she's the greatest singer. So many people sing beautifully, but her, her point of view and her sense of humor and her um wit in her songwriting and yeah.
47:30 Amy Poehler? And she, talk about male drag.
47:32 Speaker 02 Where did she do that?
47:33 Amy Poehler? Yes.
47:34 Speaker 02 What did she do?
47:34 Amy Poehler? The obsessed video. Look it up. Let's look it up.
47:37 Speaker 02 You have to see it.
47:38 Amy Poehler? She dressed, she, and, and Lady Gaga also does that as well, so well.
47:43 Speaker 02 Yes, oh my god.
47:45 Amy Poehler? And I, and I mean-
47:46 Speaker 02 I love these divas. I love, she's another as well, who is just so, I love her so much. She's the sweetest in the world.
47:52 Amy Poehler? You, that Rain on Me is so good.
47:54 Speaker 02 Well, thank you.
47:55 Amy Poehler? And I loved seeing you two together because it just felt like two professional super talents, like I could just-
48:02 Speaker 02 We're such, we're theater nerds as well.
48:04 Amy Poehler? Yeah. Okay, obsessed Mariah Carey.
48:08 Speaker 02 Oh, she's dressed as a, um, she's at the limousine. She's a limousine driver. She's obsessed with herself. She's playing a-
48:19 Amy Poehler? Wow, I never saw this.
48:21 Speaker 02 I know. I'm, she's one of us.
48:24 Amy Poehler? That is so cool. Who are you seeing in music and film and who, who are you saying like, whoa, they're doing something really exciting. I'm inspired by them.
48:33 Speaker 02 I have to say, but I'm sort of, I'm on set right now, I'm filming this movie, I'm filming-
48:38 Amy Poehler? Can you talk about what you're filming or is it too?
48:39 Speaker 02 Yes, I'm filming Focker in Law.
48:41 Amy Poehler? Oh, nice.
48:42 Speaker 02 So I'm having so much, I know, it's crazy.
48:44 Amy Poehler? That's great.
48:45 Speaker 02 The fourth Focker's movie, but it's like, it's such a treat and it's such a privilege. I'm, I'm learning so much and working with Ben Stiller and Robert De Niro and everyone that is in this cast, I, I'm really enjoying my time with and it's such a-
48:58 Amy Poehler? Who's directing it?
48:59 Speaker 02 John Hamburg, who I-
49:00 Amy Poehler? Oh, he's, John is awesome.
49:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, he's wonderful.
49:03 Amy Poehler? Yeah, he's great.
49:04 Speaker 02 And it's just so great to um sort of experience a new, a new journey and uh like learn from those around me and I'm very inspired by my cast. I love, and Beanie Feldstein is in it and she's incredible. I love her so much.
49:20 Amy Poehler? So funny.
49:21 Speaker 02 So funny, so wonderful and um yeah, I'm learning a lot from my castmates and um yeah.
49:28 Amy Poehler? And it's probably like a lot less physical, um, it's probably a lot less physically exhausting than Wicked, which must be-
49:38 Speaker 02 No, it's not. I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding. I don't know if I'm allowed to say this, but I have to say it because you're gonna laugh your ass off. My character's a triathlete.
49:47 Amy Poehler? Oh no.
49:49 Amy Poehler? So you're always running?
49:50 Speaker 02 I spent yesterday doing burpees in high knees with Robert De Niro. And he's like, "Good job, Olivia, good job." And it's like, the craziest, the most appealing. I'm like, "What is this movie? What are we doing?" But I'm having a blast. It's really special, but no, it's far, it's not.
50:07 Amy Poehler? It's not.
50:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, she's a lot of things. But a triathlete is one of them. There's also a lot of biking in this movie.
50:13 Amy Poehler? Oh, no.
50:14 Speaker 02 A lot, a lot, a lot, a lot.
50:15 Amy Poehler? Oh, no.
50:16 Speaker 02 Ben Stiller is so.
50:17 Amy Poehler? He's so fit. He runs like a couple of miles a day.
50:21 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:22 Amy Poehler? Before, yeah, it's too much.
50:24 Speaker 02 Totally.
50:24 Amy Poehler? It's crazy. No, it's, it's too much.
50:26 Speaker 02 I feel like I'm on the set of The Avengers. Between him and Bob, Mr. De Niro, I'm like, are you guys?
50:32 Amy Poehler? Yeah, but Bob, Bob's not running in the morning, is he? Oh, my God.
50:35 Speaker 02 At like four, at like 3:30. I love them.
50:39 Amy Poehler? They gotta stop. That's not okay.
50:40 Speaker 02 I'm obsessed with them. But I do love a good morning Pilates moment.
50:43 Amy Poehler? Here's how I feel about running.
50:45 Speaker 02 Yes, yes. You prefer, I prefer walking.
50:50 Amy Poehler? I prefer walking.
50:50 Speaker 02 There we go.
50:51 Amy Poehler? And when people are running, I'm like, too much running?
50:55 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:56 Amy Poehler? What are you running from?
50:56 Speaker 02 I, I, here.
50:58 Amy Poehler? It's too much running. But I just, I just assumed that Wicked is just so much physical. Because also the outfits.
51:06 Speaker 02 It is, it is, it is.
51:06 Amy Poehler? The outfits are a lot of like, like, wearing an outfit is, is heavy, like, that's just, and the...
51:14 Speaker 02 Well, every day was corseted. The only, the only looks, the only looks that I had that weren't corseted were my pajamas. But it was, but it was helpful.
51:22 Amy Poehler? Yeah, it kept you feeling...
51:24 Speaker 02 Yeah, I, I was so eager to get into my corset and her shoes because I wanted to like find her posture immediately and like her weird stiffness. I wanted to jump into that.
51:33 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
51:33 Speaker 02 So I had a rehearsal corset and rehearsal shoes and then it was like fine by the time we, you know? It was, it was great.
51:39 Amy Poehler? And John Schu seems awesome.
51:40 Speaker 02 He's the best person in the whole entire world.
51:44 Amy Poehler? You can just kind of tell right away. I mean, I have to say in general, the press that you and Cynthia did for the tour was so exciting to watch because... There is like, you know, there is this thing that one always has to push against when you're a woman in the business, which is people are kind of constantly comparing and asking each other. Like, there's just like a little bit of a
52:12 Amy Poehler? an electricity in the air that people are looking for conflict.
52:15 Speaker 02 Yeah.
52:16 Amy Poehler? And what you and Cynthia did over and over and over again was so radical, which is you kept getting ahead of it, speaking to it, and then in the moment, really reminding everybody about how you made a commitment to each other to support each other through the project. It was really cool. And in doing so, you commented on the bigger idea of like the pressure women feel constantly to be compared to each other and have conflict with each other. Did you two make that pact together? It feels like you did. Did you say it to each other or was it just unspoken?
52:51 Speaker 02 Well, we did. You know, it was, it was really, first of all, thank you. It was, it was really hard work, you know?
52:58 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
53:00 Speaker 02 Not to commit to that, but to kind of
53:05 Speaker 02 take care of each other. Firstly, through this incredibly huge thing that was Making Wicked. You know, I really wanted to be safe
53:17 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
53:17 Speaker 02 in each other, you know? I wanted to make sure that she knew immediately. Like, I, I am a Cancer. I jumped in way too fast. I was like, hi.
53:28 Speaker 02 Time.
53:28 Amy Poehler? You were like, ready to cry?
53:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, I was like, hello.
53:30 Amy Poehler? Shall we cry together?
53:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'd start with the, like, the darkest. No, I was just, no, like, but, you know, I really did wanna, wanna establish that right, right away. And I kind of said, hey,
53:42 Speaker 02 we're getting to know each other. You know, we're gonna learn a lot about each other very quickly.
53:46 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
53:46 Speaker 02 You need to know, I want you to know, there's nothing that we can't talk about. You don't have to face something alone. If you need help with something, I am on your side already. I don't even know what it is yet, but we'll get there together. This is a huge undertaking.
54:02 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
54:03 Speaker 02 And I want us to stay connected as much as possible.
54:09 Speaker 02 Every step of the way. And you know, there were so many challenges in the making of. And that we checked in and we always stayed
54:21 Speaker 02 honest.
54:21 Amy Poehler? You did, and we got to see it. It was really cool because you have to deal with a lot of people's energy when they're talking to you about the stuff that you made. And the way, and also you guys just physically checked in. Like, it's really sweet how you touch each other. You like to touch.
54:39 Amy Poehler? In a, in a non-sexual way.
54:40 Speaker 02 Oh, God.
54:41 Amy Poehler? In a, in a loving way of like, supporting each other.
54:44 Speaker 02 Yes.
54:45 Amy Poehler? You like to hold each other's, like, hands and, and be there. It's very sweet.
54:50 Speaker 02 Yes.
54:50 Amy Poehler? You like to do that with people, am I wrong?
54:52 Speaker 02 I do, I do, I, I am very, I, I, I, I channel a lot of energy through my hands.
54:58 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
54:59 Speaker 02 And so, I'm always holding a hand, I'm always like squeezing a something, as you've learned. I'm always reaching for something sometimes.
55:06 Amy Poehler? We have so many things here that you can squeeze, fake food if you want.
55:09 Speaker 02 That's wonderful. No, but it's often, it's often like who I'm with.
55:12 Amy Poehler? You want, yes.
55:13 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's like, I, I like to channel support and energy and like, whatever. I didn't even notice that it was a thing about me until that thing happened. And then.
55:22 Amy Poehler? You're talking about when you grabbed Cynthia's little finger, it was so cute.
55:25 Speaker 02 Yeah, because I didn't know what the fuck was going on.
55:27 Amy Poehler? Sure.
55:27 Speaker 02 And, um.
55:28 Amy Poehler? And you were like, and you just reached over a little teeny tiny grab.
55:31 Speaker 02 And I knew it was tender and sincere and beautiful, and I just wanted to be supportive. I was like, oh, my God.
55:37 Amy Poehler? And it was so sweet.
55:38 Speaker 02 It meant, well, it felt sweet, it felt beautiful.
55:40 Amy Poehler? But again, a great example of in a awkward or confusing moment, you, you guys kept turning towards each other.
55:47 Speaker 02 Yes, and I think that's something that we've worked hard to maintain. And, you know, there's a lot of time that passes between the wrapping of the film and then the press tour happening.
55:54 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
55:55 Speaker 02 Um, and then, you know, it's a check-in here and there when you can. You know, we're both so busy, but we do our very best, um, to stay connected in that way and to take care of each other. Let's all take care of each other so that we can honor the project as much as humanly possible and do great work.
56:08 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
56:08 Speaker 02 Is like, the best lens ever.
56:11 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
56:11 Speaker 02 And I'm so lucky that John Chu is the king of that exact thing that we're talking about.
56:18 Amy Poehler? I mean, the fact that he was at his baby's birth and not at Wicked premiere.
56:23 Speaker 02 No. Well, I mean, thank, thank God.
56:25 Amy Poehler? I know, but there's a few people that would have made a different choice.
56:28 Speaker 02 I know, but he had three over the course of the whole film, you know, I think.
56:31 Amy Poehler? He had three babies?
56:32 Speaker 02 Yeah.
56:34 Amy Poehler? Well, let's be clear. His wife had three babies.
56:36 Speaker 02 Yes, yes, Chris has had three babies.
56:38 Amy Poehler? Yes, but...
56:40 Speaker 02 But that's how long we've been working on this thing.
56:41 Amy Poehler? Wow, that's a lot of babies.
56:42 Speaker 02 Isn't that crazy?
56:43 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
56:44 Speaker 02 Three.
56:45 Amy Poehler? Wow, no twins?
56:46 Speaker 02 No twins.
56:47 Amy Poehler? Shit, okay. All right. Okay, I have a lightning round for you.
56:52 Speaker 02 Okay, okay. Okay. So I have to disclaim, I'm really bad at lightning.
56:56 Amy Poehler? Lightning doesn't have to be fast.
56:59 Speaker 02 I'm like in the middle always because PTSD, I build a case for both answers.
57:03 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
57:03 Speaker 02 So I'm like very indecisive due to things.
57:08 Amy Poehler? Okay, got it. So I want you to know that this is not... You don't have to worry about being fast because I also don't ask the questions fast.
57:15 Speaker 02 Oh, okay. Thank God.
57:17 Amy Poehler? So it's a slow...
57:18 Speaker 02 Okay, good, I feel great.
57:19 Amy Poehler? We're on a slow round, a really slow lightning. Like we're... You kind of see it in the sky and it comes down really slowly and it hits the ground really slowly.
57:26 Speaker 02 Turtle round.
57:28 Amy Poehler? So the first thing I'm going to ask you is kind of a gotcha question.
57:30 Speaker 02 Okay. Give me a...
57:33 Amy Poehler? And this gotcha question is...
57:38 Amy Poehler? You say you're 5'3".
57:40 Speaker 02 I don't say that.
57:41 Amy Poehler? That's what the internet says.
57:43 Speaker 02 I say I'm 5'2". Well, the internet says a lot of things. But I'm 5'2".
57:46 Amy Poehler? That was the question.
57:48 Speaker 02 I'm 5'2".
57:48 Amy Poehler? Are you 5'2"?
57:49 Speaker 02 I'm 5'2".
57:50 Amy Poehler? Is it 5'2" on your license? Do you have a license?
57:56 Speaker 02 I haven't used it in a long time because I'm in New York now.
57:59 Amy Poehler? Do you have a current driver's license?
58:01 Speaker 02 I think so.
58:02 Amy Poehler? She thinks so.
58:03 Speaker 02 I'm kidding, I'm joking, I do, I do. I'm not driving though.
58:06 Amy Poehler? Do you like being 5'2"? What's the pros and cons of being 5'2", I ask because I am also 5'2", but my license says 5'3".
58:12 Speaker 02 I... Oh, does it?
58:13 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
58:13 Speaker 02 Was that a choice?
58:14 Amy Poehler? No, they measured me or somehow someone put it down.
58:17 Speaker 02 It was a tall day? You were having a tall day?
58:20 Amy Poehler? I was having a tall day.
58:21 Speaker 02 I get it.
58:21 Amy Poehler? And I got like excited, I was like 5'3", I was like, okay, and then... Yeah, so 5'2",
58:28 Speaker 02 We're 5'2"!
58:29 Amy Poehler? So what do you think about being a tiny person?
58:32 Speaker 02 I think it's fine, I think I'm enjoying my time. Things I wish I could reach more.
58:37 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
58:37 Speaker 02 I wish I could reach like the water more, I wish I could reach it.
58:41 Amy Poehler? Is there anything that you think you wish you had height for?
58:47 Amy Poehler? Just, I guess, reaching.
58:49 Speaker 02 No, I mean, just reaching.
58:50 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
58:51 Speaker 02 You know, the highest book, the highest water, the highest whatever it is, but I'm okay with it. Are you, do you?
58:56 Amy Poehler? I mean, I know, I know no other way.
58:58 Speaker 02 I know no other way either.
58:59 Amy Poehler? I know no other way. I mean, I have heard that shorter people live longer.
59:05 Amy Poehler? But, um, not to brag.
59:06 Speaker 02 I don't know why.
59:10 Speaker 02 I hope so.
59:11 Amy Poehler? I hope so.
59:11 Speaker 02 Well, I hope we all live long. I don't know what I'm saying.
59:15 Amy Poehler? I mean, we can't all live long. Let's give it to the short people.
59:17 Speaker 02 I hope everyone lives a beautiful, long life.
59:19 Amy Poehler? Of course, but let's have short people live longer.
59:21 Speaker 02 Let's have something, yeah.
59:21 Amy Poehler? Um, let's have something. Okay, moving on, lightning round.
59:26 Amy Poehler? Do you think you had a past life? Have you ever felt like you've lived before?
59:29 Speaker 02 Oh, God, you're going here? That's so not lightning.
59:33 Amy Poehler? This is not lightning?
59:34 Speaker 02 I do feel like I've lived before, but I don't know.
59:36 Amy Poehler? Who, what? Who was she, he? What was, where did you live? Do you have a sense?
59:40 Speaker 02 I have no sense.
59:41 Amy Poehler? Okay.
59:41 Speaker 02 But I do feel old. Um, so that's what people say.
59:45 Amy Poehler? Like an old soul.
59:46 Speaker 02 I'm not calling myself an old soul.
59:48 Amy Poehler? Okay.
59:49 Speaker 02 I think I'm just tired, actually.
59:51 Amy Poehler? Whoever you were was tired.
59:54 Speaker 02 I think I was tired and I think, I think they might have drowned.
59:57 Amy Poehler? Ooh.
59:59 Speaker 02 Sorry, I'm sorry. I just have a thing with like when people hold their breath underwater. I don't like that.
1:00:04 Amy Poehler? Okay, very good to know.
1:00:06 Speaker 02 I don't like that at all.
1:00:07 Amy Poehler? Great.
1:00:07 Speaker 02 But back to the thing when you said, is there anything you wish you could do? I just have one more.
1:00:10 Amy Poehler? Yes, please.
1:00:11 Speaker 02 If I don't get it out, I wish I were a person who, like, had entomology, endless entomology knowledge, and I could look at a bug and be like, ah, a lapidoptera pieridae. You know, that kind of person?
1:00:20 Amy Poehler? Yes.
1:00:21 Speaker 02 I do wish I had that.
1:00:22 Amy Poehler? Who could classify insects.
1:00:23 Speaker 02 Different insects.
1:00:24 Amy Poehler? Mm-hmm, I know what you mean.
1:00:26 Speaker 02 You know, the people who do that with birds? I have the Bird app, the Merlin app. Do you have that?
1:00:30 Amy Poehler? No.
1:00:31 Speaker 02 It's fabulous. You play, you record the sound of the bird and it quickly pops up what it is. They can tell by their tone of voice. I love that.
1:00:39 Amy Poehler? I feel like you would also probably be able to impersonate a lot of birds.
1:00:42 Speaker 02 I think you have a lot of faith in me. You're being really kind to me.
1:00:47 Amy Poehler? Best Halloween costume you've ever worn?
1:00:49 Speaker 02 Oh, well.
1:00:51 Amy Poehler? Or one that you've worn?
1:00:52 Speaker 02 I think my favorites are the Best in Show stuff that I did with Liz. That we did together. That's forever my favorite. And I was also the pig face from Twilight Zone. That was like a fun.
1:01:05 Amy Poehler? Yes, that's an old classic.
1:01:07 Speaker 02 Yes, I love Halloween.
1:01:08 Amy Poehler? For people that don't remember, there was a Twilight Zone where a woman woke up from...
1:01:12 Speaker 02 Beauty with the Beholder.
1:01:13 Amy Poehler? Yes, and it was, she woke up from what was like plastic surgery, and everyone started screaming, and her face looked beautiful.
1:01:20 Speaker 02 Gorgeous.
1:01:21 Amy Poehler? But they were all...
1:01:22 Speaker 02 Pig faces. Fabulous.
1:01:25 Amy Poehler? Chew on that.
1:01:26 Speaker 02 Fabulous episode.
1:01:28 Amy Poehler? What about best bath product? You love taking baths. What?
1:01:32 Speaker 02 I love lush. I'm a lush person.
1:01:34 Amy Poehler? You're like a bath bomb?
1:01:35 Speaker 02 I'm a bath bomb.
1:01:35 Amy Poehler? So you love a fizz?
1:01:36 Speaker 02 I love a fizz. I love the smell. I love like salts and a bath bomb and a trickle of oil, like essential oils.
1:01:44 Amy Poehler? And do you take, um, do you have one of those things on your bathtub? Like where it goes across where you can put your phone? Do you take your phone to your bath?
1:01:52 Speaker 02 I do. I take my, I also take my laptop. I get a lot of work done. I'm not kidding. Okay, so I have to talk about this because I'm a big bath person. Did someone tell you, tip you off?
1:02:01 Amy Poehler? Yes, we heard you were a big bath person.
1:02:02 Speaker 02 Oh my God, I'm a big bath person. I like, like, it's like a, it's a ritual. It's a, yeah, it's a ceremony.
1:02:08 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
1:02:08 Speaker 02 And I have...
1:02:09 Amy Poehler? Talk us through the ceremony.
1:02:10 Speaker 02 I have my like, I have my, I'm in the bath and I have my coffee. I have my coffee here.
1:02:17 Amy Poehler? Got it. Do you have a tray?
1:02:19 Speaker 02 And my laptop here. No, it's just on the edge of the thing.
1:02:21 Amy Poehler? Oh no, that's scary.
1:02:22 Speaker 02 I know, I know, but it's okay. It's always fine. And you know, I push the bubbles back so that they're not, they're not in the way because this is, this is, this is when I have time to do like my approvals of stuff before I go to work.
1:02:33 Amy Poehler? Ah, that's good.
1:02:34 Speaker 02 So I'm able to like look at the links of stuff.
1:02:36 Amy Poehler? In the water?
1:02:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, look at it.
1:02:37 Amy Poehler? But so interesting and yet afraid of drowning.
1:02:40 Speaker 02 I know, but that's the thing. So I'm in control in the bath. There we go. It's a big control piece that we're working on. And I'm in control in the bath.
1:02:49 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
1:02:49 Speaker 02 And I'm a Cancer, so I'm very aquatic. I love the water. I love to be submerged, but the drowning thing.
1:02:55 Amy Poehler? Yeah. Favorite Italian food?
1:02:58 Speaker 02 Ooh. I have to say pasta.
1:03:02 Amy Poehler? What kind? So many kinds.
1:03:04 Speaker 02 Marinara.
1:03:06 Amy Poehler? Just simple marinara?
1:03:07 Speaker 02 Yeah, what my Nona would make.
1:03:08 Amy Poehler? Yes, I'm sorry about the passing of your Nona. She seemed amazing.
1:03:12 Speaker 02 She was amazing. She was so funny.
1:03:14 Amy Poehler? Tell me about her.
1:03:15 Speaker 02 My favorite Nona story is Frankie coming out. To her. And, um.
1:03:21 Amy Poehler? So Frankie, you're.
1:03:22 Speaker 02 My brother is Frankie. He is gay. And he is very gay. I don't know if you know. And he, um, and he came out to us and, you know, my first question was like, do you have a boyfriend? Who is he? I want to meet him. And, um, you know, Nona was just trying to figure it out. You know, very accepting, very loving, very celebratory. But she was just trying to figure it out because she couldn't believe it. And, you know, in her mind, she had plenty of like boyfriend. He had plenty of girlfriends and whatever. And, um, so she goes Frankie,
1:03:53 Speaker 02 have you seen a pair of breasts?
1:03:57 Speaker 02 And he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Nona, I've, I've seen breasts, yeah. And she goes, didn't do anything for you?
1:04:07 Speaker 02 He was like,
1:04:09 Speaker 02 no, no, no, no. And she was like, well, you're gay. And that was like, yeah, I know. He was like, I wasn't asking for you to tell me that I'm gay.
1:04:21 Amy Poehler? Right before you leave, can I just tempt you one more time? Have you seen all of them?
1:04:26 Speaker 02 She was like, I just want to know if you know what you're, what you mean. It was just so funny.
1:04:30 Amy Poehler? Before you go, I'd like to remind you what you're missing. And Frankie was like, I'm okay.
1:04:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'm good. I know. I've already asked this question. I promise.
1:04:38 Amy Poehler? She seems amazing.
1:04:39 Speaker 02 She was amazing.
1:04:40 Amy Poehler? Your family seems like they're like a really funny, like tight group. Like you seem really connected to your family.
1:04:48 Speaker 02 They are. I mean, we are. We are.
1:04:50 Amy Poehler? I mean, are you a typical Italian family?
1:04:52 Speaker 02 I think so. I think so. I think like I. That's how we kind of grew up in the loud Italian household. Sunday dinners and cards and, you know, I learned poker, but like I was saying way before I should have. Probably and yeah, I was, I do feel like I am so right smack in the middle between my mom and my dad. Like I think Frankie and my mom are like very similar and that I'm like kind of in the middle of it all. But yeah, they were amazing and my grandpa was the best ever.
1:05:23 Amy Poehler? What was he like?
1:05:24 Speaker 02 He was the best and.
1:05:25 Amy Poehler? What did you call him?
1:05:27 Speaker 02 My grandpa.
1:05:27 Amy Poehler? Grandpa.
1:05:28 Speaker 02 I called my Nona, Nona and my grandpa grandpa because he thought Nono sounded too negative.
1:05:34 Amy Poehler? No, no.
1:05:34 Speaker 02 No, no.
1:05:35 Amy Poehler? He didn't like it. He was like, no, no, no, no, no.
1:05:39 Speaker 02 But he was incredible.
1:05:40 Amy Poehler? Yeah.
1:05:41 Speaker 02 And he didn't, and when Frankie came out to him, he was just like, what the hell? Who cares? What are we gonna love him any less? We got dinner reservations at Positano. Let's go.
1:05:49 Amy Poehler? Perfect. It's like that's what you wish for every kid. You wish for every kid that they have that kind of like loving, teasing, instant acceptance, instant love.
1:05:59 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:06:00 Amy Poehler? And just like being seen right away.
1:06:02 Speaker 02 We need it now more than ever.
1:06:03 Amy Poehler? Amen. Amen.
1:06:05 Speaker 02 I wish that for all the kids.
1:06:06 Amy Poehler? Same. And you do, you provide that for a lot of people, Ariana. You're just so great.
1:06:11 Speaker 02 You are. I love you so much.
1:06:12 Amy Poehler? I just love, love you so much too.
1:06:13 Speaker 02 I was so nervous and excited to come here because I adore you so much.
1:06:17 Amy Poehler? Thank you. Was there anything we didn't talk about?
1:06:18 Speaker 02 I don't think there is.
1:06:19 Amy Poehler? Okay, great. Thanks so much for doing this. It means a lot. And congrats on Wicked 2, which is gonna be out this week. And I'm sure this little indie film is gonna get a lot of people talking. No, but congrats on the huge success of it. And I can't wait to see all the stuff that's coming up for you. And I'm just such a fan. So thanks for doing this.
1:06:41 Speaker 02 Me too. I love you and thank you for having me.
1:06:43 Amy Poehler? Thank you so much.
1:06:46 Amy Poehler? Thank you, Ariana. It was so great to have you and so great to hear you talk about all of the good things. And it is time now for the Polar Plunge. Today's Polar Plunge is presented by Visible. When your phone plans as good as Visible, you've got to tell your people. Unlimited data, just 25 bucks a month. Join today at visible.com. So to plunge into the, into the interview today, I just want to say that Ariana talked a lot about game night and how, how much fun she has playing games and how some members of her family get competitive. And I just, I wanted to just kind of do a public service announcement to remind people that a competitive person at game night can ruin a game night.
1:07:28 Amy Poehler? But as kind of a competitive person myself, don't come if you're not ready to win. So walk the line, be, care and try, but don't be, you know, so awful that you make everybody quiet. It's a fine line, but I know you can reach it. So today's Polar Plunge was presented by Visible. It's one line wireless on Verizon's 5G network for $25 a month. That's a top tier network at a budget friendly cost. Tell your people and make the switch. Terms apply. See visible.com for plan features and network management details. Thank you so much for listening. See you again. Bye. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill
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