The Snack: Punch the Monkey, Love is Blind, and Hockey Winners and Losers

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we're talking about: Punch the monkey US figure skater Alysa Liu Both USA hockey teams winning the gold (and what happened next) Flava Flav >>> Kash Patel Love is Blind recap and (revised) predictions America's Next Top Model documentary Headlines: RIP Eric Dane, Mormon Wives S4 trailer, Bree from Tell Me Lies comes out Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for live show tickets and more! Thank you to our partners this week: Rocket Money: Reach your financial goals faster at http://rocketmoney.com/gge. Hers: Get the support that actually reflects your needs. Start your free intake at http://forhers.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  This week on The Snack, Punch the Monkey, Love is Blind, Top Model, and Olympic Hockey Drama.

• 0:06Rayna Greenberg?

  This is a Dear Media production.

• 0:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Enjoy.

• 0:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hi, guys. Rena, you saw Wuthering Heights for the second time.

• 0:17Rayna Greenberg?

  It's Wuthering, actually.

• 0:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's Wuthering?

• 0:19Rayna Greenberg?

  It's...

• 0:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Guys, leave a comment. Do you prefer Wuthering, Wuthering, or Wuthering? You saw it again.

• 0:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, Taylor and I both saw it again. So I have to say, okay, two things. I promised you guys I would read the book. I got through one page. I have to be honest, I don't think I'm smart enough to read Wuthering Heights. It is old timey English. Well, I felt like I was having a stroke.

• 0:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's funny that you call it old timey English. It just specifically written in that style. It was just the time. It's like it's 1847 English.

• 0:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, no.

• 0:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  I knew you were gonna hate it. But yeah, I had a feeling it was not gonna be... Like, so you can't push through? Like, there's no...

• 0:59Rayna Greenberg?

  I want to try to push through because I am actually obsessed with the story. The movie is only half of the book, and there's all these different themes that they never touched on in the movie at all. They've totally pivoted the characters. And I would love to just get more, the way that I was like, I missed Tell Me Lies, so I read the book, you know?

• 1:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 1:16Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, I missed the movie already. I would go see it a third time. Taylor and I cried so much last night. I cried way more than the first time, but I also had a lot more wine than the first time.

• 1:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my God. White? Please say it.

• 1:28Rayna Greenberg?

  White wine.

• 1:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  You gotta get the whites at the Marina dinin'. Don't do the pinot, you guys.

• 1:33Rayna Greenberg?

  We had Sauvignon Blanc at the Marina dinin'.

• 1:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so you guys got drunk and cried. I love that.

• 1:38Rayna Greenberg?

  We cried. The theater was crying loudly. Like, you could hear, like, snotty cries in the theater. We were holding each other. It was, I mean, just amazing, just as good as the first, the second time.

• 1:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  It was really funny, your relationship with Taylor is that you would go... Drink wine and cry in the movies and her and I go to Barry's and you are not a part of our Barry's life at all. We have a separate friendship where we go to Barry's once a week.

• 2:00Rayna Greenberg?

  It's crazy that so much can exist in one person like, cause you know, you have like your party friend and you have like your, I'm having an emergency friend and then like your friend you go into business with, like you have your friends for different, Taylor is just so many things in one person.

• 2:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  She's a multi hyphenate.

• 2:13Rayna Greenberg?

  I'll let you guys know my push past, push past page two. There we go. I got it. That's a tongue twister. Yeah. Okay. Let's just thank our partners. Okay. Thanks to Rocket Money. Reach your financial goals faster at rocketmoney.com/gge.

• 2:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  And thank you to hers. Get the support that actually reflects your needs. Start your free intake at forhers.com. Okay. So we're going to get into the report, but I just wanted to give a quick weather report, like just thoughts and prayers to everyone on the East Coast. This is insane. Like my brother was on had power for three days. Like it's like 30 inches of snow. He said it snowed for like 26 hours straight. So thoughts and prayers. I mean, New York again, Boston, like the whole East Coast, but like my family in Delaware specifically, like at the beach, like he doesn't, they were having to stay at a friend's.

• 2:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, I was so confused because I was like, they kept saying this is the first blizzard in like however many years. And I was like, I was in New York three weeks ago. We had a blizzard. What are you saying? But this is I guess so much worse.

• 3:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is like 96. I don't know if you guys remember 96. We had family stranded at our house for like weeks. I cut my brother's hair. Like things were getting

• 3:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Like COVID?

• 3:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Really scary in our house.

• 3:18Rayna Greenberg?

  We took a sled down to Wendy's. I remember that.

• 3:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, you were in 96? Yeah. I was like 10.

• 3:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, you were 10. Sorry. Shoshong was six.

• 3:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Remember. Okay. So anyway, it's sunny and 75 here.

• 3:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. I went to the pool yesterday. I laid out on the roof right into the pool.

• 3:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was talking to my mom and she was telling me how bad it was. It's actually the one a few weeks ago was worse for them, but this one's worse for my brother. They only live an hour apart. And she was saying like, we're fine. You know, last time was worse because it was icy. We couldn't get out of the house. And I was like, where is it? The pool?

• 3:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Pool. Yeah. I had a great day yesterday.

• 3:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So anyway, but no, this is, this is rough out there. I don't. Envy the East Coast this winter is like completely out of pocket.

• 4:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, so I'm going to New York on Monday and I don't know why, like I thought like hee hee hee egg on my face. It was gonna be warm, warmer. I thought like we would at least break into the mid 40s and I just like, hot take, I forgot March and also April are freezing in New York. Like it doesn't just like become 50s. I thought Jan, Feb, we were done.

• 4:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  No way. But that one time we went in April, I had a sunburn.

• 4:23Rayna Greenberg?

  You did?

• 4:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. Remember that time we went in April? It was crazy. I got my haircut.

• 4:29Rayna Greenberg?

  I do remember your haircut.

• 4:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then everyone was like, you're glowing from living in LA. And I was like, I got sunburned today in New York.

• 4:37Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm gonna bring you back. I'm gonna bring you back through this April. Hopefully we break into the 50s.

• 4:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  We'll be there in April.

• 4:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, speaking of crying.

• 4:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're gonna kick it off with a punch report.

• 4:44Rayna Greenberg?

  I'll tell you, if you guys somehow avoided this on the internet, I asked one person yesterday if they knew what this was. So Punch is a monkey at the Ichikawa Zoo in Japan. And it's a baby monkey that basically was rejected by its mom. And there's all these videos of the mom like shoving it off. And then he'd be-

• 5:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wait, I didn't see those.

• 5:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh my God, there was-

• 5:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  I thought it was, I thought Punch was just like abandoned, like they found him. He was literally rejected from his family.

• 5:07Rayna Greenberg?

  You've seen these videos of like the monkeys like pushing him, shoving him?

• 5:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  That was when he got jumped.

• 5:13Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought you were gonna- I said Ichikawa and you got a little too confident and made it.

• 5:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  I did. I thought you had this under control.

• 5:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Your face, you were like, look at her go.

• 5:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  So my understanding was he was like an abandoned baby and he was raised by humans.

• 5:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, the humans at the zoo.

• 5:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, but he was abandoned and so they put him in with these other monkeys. And he had the stuffed animal, his emotional support stuffed animal. And then that's when he gained popularity. It was like this abandoned monkey with a stuffed animal. And then he did get like, kind of jumped by the other monkeys. And then the world lost their mind. And now they have embraced him. But I like haven't seen an animal steal our hearts like this since Harambe, R.I.P. Like I've never, this is worldwide phenomenon. Everyone is talking about it and I couldn't, people were sending it to me because they're like, you love animals and mudang and all this stuff. And I couldn't fully even like read the story. I would just start crying.

• 6:06Rayna Greenberg?

  I care more about this animal than I've ever cared about any animal in my life. I lay on the couch just crying, watching videos of this animal. Like when I saw the other animals like beating him up, I was like, is this, is this normal in the animal kingdom? And does this happen a lot to a lot of animals? Cause like- Is this just how they all treat each other? I don't know, but he was raised by humans essentially. So does he smell like humans or something?

• 6:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  So let me read you a DM I got. This really, I wish, I should have put this on the grid because people really, like, people needed this information. This was a follower of mine that DM'd me. She said, "Hi, Ashley, just to inform you about primate behavior. The way Punch is being treated by his fellow troop mates is completely normal. There's a very strict hierarchy with primates and the high ranking animals are just showing him where he stands. It looks like he was raised by humans and introduced to the troop at a later date, which explains why they are a little harsh to him. Human-reared primates act very differently than primates raised by other primates. Japanese makak- makakes are extremely-

• 7:01Rayna Greenberg?

  I sidestepped that.

• 7:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, are extremely intelligent animals and very accepting to newly introduced members. Punch just needs to find his place within the troop, but he'll be okay. I am a primate behavior scientist, so if you have any other questions, just let me know."

• 7:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Thank you, queen. I love our audience.

• 7:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  So many people were like, "Thank God." We just needed to know he was gonna be okay. Can I tell you a funny thing?

• 7:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 7:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  What if she wasn't?

• 7:20Rayna Greenberg?

  She's made it up. She's chatty, deep, bad.

• 7:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, like, of course she is. We have, like, the best audience and they're always so smart. But I got this funny thought of like, this is her king. Just making shit up and be like, "I'm a scientist."

• 7:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Like Alex, Alex is about to, from Love is Blind, is about to join the chat. He's like, "As a former scientist, actually." This, this animal has, like, captured my heart. I watch videos on a loop of him walking around with this stuffed animal. He just, like, wants love so bad. And like, I love that he's found friends and I, like, cry watching him with friends. And I just want to say, though, this, this zoo has gone so viral and people are waiting in line for hours to get into the zoo. And all the videos of Punch have, like, millions and millions of views. And like, of course the other animals are coming around now that he's famous.

• 7:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's giving LA, clout chasing.

• 8:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Hundred percent. These animals are-

• 8:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Suddenly they want to be his friend. So I am going to Singapore in a few days and I'm gonna have to reroute to Japan.

• 8:10Rayna Greenberg?

  If you go to Chikawa, I'll be so jealous.

• 8:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm going to Asia. I can't not go see Punch.

• 8:13Rayna Greenberg?

  I'll cancel my trip to New York, come with you.

• 8:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I don't know if I told you this.

• 8:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Those are no- they're not near each other, though.

• 8:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's close enough that I can't be that close to him and not go say hello, show my respects. I'll hit Mudang too while I'm over there. What if that was my honeymoon? I was like, "Actually, what we're gonna do is go see these animals." You know, I love animal tourism.

• 8:30Rayna Greenberg?

  I have to tell you something.

• 8:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know if I've ever told you this.

• 8:32Rayna Greenberg?

  What? When my mom got married to my stepdad, it was a few months after I met you.

• 8:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Did I ever tell you about this?

• 8:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Your mom? So my mom and my stepdad have been together for like 30 years, but they didn't actually get married until- After I met you, until after my brother got married, actually, she was like, well, now that my, now that my brother did it, she's like, we can do it.

• 8:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Did your dad also marry his third wife while we were friends, wasn't it? Cause you didn't, you weren't able to go?

• 8:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, I opted to, I opted to not go.

• 8:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 8:55Rayna Greenberg?

  It was in Vegas. Um, but yeah, cause I hate her. Um, they're, they're separated. My mom and my stepdad get married and for their honeymoon.

• 9:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  What?

• 9:04Rayna Greenberg?

  They went to, it's hard to even get the words out. They went to concentration camps in Europe.

• 9:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  What does this have to do with Punch?

• 9:13Rayna Greenberg?

  You said, wouldn't this be crazy if I did this thing on my honeymoon? And I was like, I have a crazy thing people did on their honeymoon.

• 9:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  The connections you've been making lately are crazy. Like last week, how you were like, so anyway, babies on dating apps or kids on dating apps, but then also funerals. Like you.

• 9:29Rayna Greenberg?

  I always will land the plane.

• 9:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Rain a beautiful mind.

• 9:33Rayna Greenberg?

  That's the same thing. Unconventional.

• 9:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Unconventional tourism.

• 9:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Unconventional honeymoons.

• 9:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  But that's a downer.

• 9:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Well, that's not seem like my mom and like something she would do.

• 9:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  I, I appreciate you wanting to.

• 9:44Rayna Greenberg?

  History.

• 9:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  The history.

• 9:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 9:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I don't think I told you this. Last Friday I had a, um, show at the Comedy Store and it was like the main day when I feel like Punch was everywhere. And it was like when they were showing the older monkey in the troupe finally embrace him. And I get on stage and I'm like, have you guys seen this monkey?

• 10:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, most of the room did, like, I would say two thirds, cause not everybody lives on the internet like we do. Like, remember I broke the news of Pete Davidson breaking up with Kim Kardashian at two separate shows at the stand? It was such a rush. And I thought everybody would have seen it, but whatever. So most of the audience is like, yes. And then people, I ran up, in that moment, I was like, I'm holding so much power. So then the rest of the audience was like, what is it? And I was like, okay, so this, this monkey named Punch in Japan, he's been abandoned by his family. The audience gasped. I'm like, oh my God. I, and then I was like, and then, so he had this emotional support stuff animal. He was dragging around all the audience was like, oh my God, hanging on every word. And I was like, and then he got jumped and they were like, oh my God. The audience like is immediately like, I was like, I have to tell them, if, if he wasn't accepted, I would

• 10:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  have to lie. Cause the way the audience right now, this, my set will not go well if this is how I start.

• 10:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Can't like bring the room down like that.

• 10:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  But it's okay because he's been accepted. I mean, I was like, should I have done this? But I couldn't help myself and it went over really well. It actually transitioned into my opening joke. Like it was fine, but I couldn't not tell a room of strangers. Like I needed to gauge the room.

• 11:10Rayna Greenberg?

  When something happens that day, you've got to talk about it. Um, also there were, you could have just made it up because there were like these videos of him being accepted. People were like, that's AI, that's AI. Can I just tell you, like, I would see videos of him getting accepted by the other monkeys? And I'd go to the comments immediately and people were like, please God, let this not be AI. Like, don't tease us like this.

• 11:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  I need to just believe it is and go to bed. That's how I can sleep easy. So it sounds like he's obviously going to be fine. So thank you to the listener in my DMs, the, the primate behavior specialist. And I just haven't seen like an animal capture people's hearts like this. And people were saying like, we just want to save Punch because we couldn't save Harambe. And I've seen people comparing Punch to Mudang. We don't need to do that. Like, we don't, these are different.

• 11:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, it can be siloed.

• 11:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like Punch is, like, we want to rescue Punch. Like Mudang was like a spicy little diva. She was fine.

• 11:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally.

• 11:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  These don't need to be, we don't need to compare in the first place. Like they're two very different camps, I think of why they even stole our hearts in the first place.

• 12:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, if you forced me to rank animals I care about, Punch is my number one and it's not even close. But like, I'm siloed on Mudang. Mudang, different type of category.

• 12:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Mudang is good.

• 12:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 12:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like the thing is like, we want to save Punch.

• 12:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 12:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like Mudang, it doesn't need anybody.

• 12:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, Mudang is just an influencer.

• 12:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  She's biting everybody that even tries to help her.

• 12:24Rayna Greenberg?

  She's an influencer, girly.

• 12:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so I feel like equally as beloved last week into this week is Alyssa Liu, who is a US figure skater in the Olympics. She won the gold. And she has a really fascinating story, which I'll tell you a little bit about. But just watching her performance, like you don't always see Olympic athletes perform with so much joy. Like smiling, laughing, and she gets off the ice and is like, that's what I'm fucking talking about. Like just to see a woman be so happy in this sport and then be so in her power and not care about. What, you know, cursing or whatever it may be, it brought me to tears. I mean, the performance was incredible that won her the gold, but just that alone. And then I dove

• 13:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  into her story. And so she's 20 and she previously had made history as the youngest ever women's national champion at 13 in 2019. And then she was also the youngest member of the Team USA at the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics at 16. And then she retired, basically, or she quit. I mean, retiring is weird at that age. You quit. And she came back. And I just think the story is really fascinating. So her father, he is a former Chinese pro-democracy activist who fled to the US as a political refugee in 1989. So he was born in China. He came to California. He is a lawyer and he wanted a family and he had five children via surrogacy. Did you see

• 13:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  this? So he's a single father of five, Alyssa, her sister in triplets.

• 14:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, my God.

• 14:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't want to judge, you know, this man wanted a family and he raised an Olympian. And I don't know if he just kept having kids till he found the Olympian in the group or what he wanted to do. So he like saw her talent as a young age and it sounds like he was her manager and he really pushed her and it sounds like made her not love the sport as much. And so it's just this tale as old as time where someone is doing something that they did love and they stopped loving it as much. And her dad was like super involved. I saw this thing that it says, he even admitting to sneaking into some of her practices in full disguise just to see what they were doing in the practice, like to spy on her. And he said, I didn't like what I saw, standing around for 20 minutes, skating around the rink a few times. That's where my money was going. We stopped working with that coach.

• 14:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Actually, you would be that, that would be you as a parent. Like when you said snuck into the, I was like, this is actually absolute stop.

• 14:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't think this is overstepping at all. I'm, I'm paying you. Let me come see what's going on in here. My kid comes home. I don't really think I'm getting what I need from this coach. Look, I'll show up.

• 15:03Rayna Greenberg?

  That's why you like the story.

• 15:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Give me a disguise.

• 15:05Rayna Greenberg?

  You relate with, you relate to the dad.

• 15:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  So people are kind of criticizing, but bottom line, this is a supportive father. The whole family's in the stands, whatever. But she basically decided to start back up skating and was like, he's not going to be as involved. And she's working with a different team. And now she's re-found this love for the sport. And I love this story because you really don't see, I haven't seen a figure skater perform with that much joy and happiness and like, don't give a fuck, but I'm going to slay attitude.

• 15:33Rayna Greenberg?

  It's just not an attitude you see with people at that level because they take it so seriously. Of course they do, you know? So to just like have a moment of joy, I like.

• 15:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know. It's like this reminder that we should be having fun. And of course you just have to also work. Like not everyone gets to love what they do for, for work. But you know, I read an article that she was like, during COVID, I started to think about my life without skating and it felt like a relief. And she quit and then she was like, you know what? I fucking love that shit. I'm going to go back and do it on my own terms. And I just love that. And I just felt like it was such a reminder that we should have fun.

• 16:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I just love the energy of women in the Olympics overall. We're going to talk about the hockey team as well, but I just love what I'm seeing. So five time Olympic medalist Eileen Gu, she was in an interview and basically this reporter said to her, you won two silvers. Do you see this as two silvers won or two golds lost? And she with a big smile on her face, a little bit of attitude. She was just like, I'm the most decorated person in this sport. That's a ridiculous thing to ask me.

• 16:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 16:32Rayna Greenberg?

  And every medal is hard fought. And she just kind of like laughed with this big smile on her face. And I love the energy and people are really hyping her because they're, they're saying like, women don't speak like this. You would hear men speak like this. Men, men would never be asked a question like that, but men would not think twice before clapping back at that. But she just like, was like, I'm amazing. I don't think this is a loss.

• 16:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, like I'd love seeing women act like this. And I love that people, it feels like people are criticizing them less. And there was a tennis player a few months ago that like went off the court and smashed her racket and it was, she went kind of in private and did it. And I was like, how is this even a fucking story?

• 17:09Rayna Greenberg?

  I know.

• 17:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  She's angry and she went around, she went like around into like a private area. She was just caught on a camera and even if she, how many men have smashed their racket? Like I was like, I can't even believe this is a story.

• 17:21Rayna Greenberg?

  It's just a person, acting like a person.

• 17:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, yeah, I just, women in men's fields. No, but it's just the women in this Olympics have been so inspiring.

• 17:29Rayna Greenberg?

  I know.

• 17:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Uh, so on to that, the-

• 17:32Rayna Greenberg?

  On to the men in these Olympics.

• 17:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Ugh. So the US men's hockey team won the gold and beat Canada after forty-six years, I believe. They haven't won a gold in that long and they played in honor of, they had lost a teammate, these, um, I believe it was two, these, these brothers were killed in a car accident, so they were kind of playing in honor of him. And there were these like epic win, the way they went, like there were all these really special things about it. And they get into the locker room and fucking biggest loser alive, Kash Patel is there on the company dime. First party he's ever been invited to. Kash Patel in that locker room was someone who's never been welcome at a party.

• 18:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, just, did they dump the Gatorade on him?

• 18:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  They put like a medal on him, he was-

• 18:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Shaking up beers, going crazy.

• 18:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  The way he was acting, like, I was like, he is the biggest fucking loser, like, of all, like, he, he truly, I can't even watch him speak right now because like, he's not even a good villain. He is so incompetent. He is such a joke. Like, he's really such a joke.

• 18:36Rayna Greenberg?

  So I think it's nice sometimes to see like politicians or people in high power acting like they're having fun. Barack Obama, no one had more swag and acted like he was having a good time, enjoying himself. But he still acted as though he had that position in office. I don't need Kash Patel acting like this. If, you need to act like you have the job that you have. You go there, you laugh, you can shake hands with people. What the fuck was that?

• 18:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  In this state of the world, while you're covering up the Epstein files, while Nancy Guthrie is still missing, like, what a slap in the face to the American public if James Comey would have been in the fucking locker room and he took a company jet there, he would have been impeached immediately and Fox News would still be talking about it, like, for decades. Like, it's just, I mean, but whatever, the hypocrisy is astounding, but, so Kash Patel, that's just like one gross part of it. Like, I, it was hard for me to even watch the video.

• 19:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Watching him have fun, I don't, listen, I think that people should like break from how serious they are, but not him, not somebody in that position.

• 19:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  But you're also, you're making it political. Like you know, the way things are heightened again, yes, all of this is a distraction from the Epstein files. We gotta stay focused. Okay, of course, but like you're politicizing this now. So he's in the locker room acting like the biggest fucking dork on the planet, his first party. And then Donald Trump FaceTimes. And what happened next is just so disheartening. It's, it's really hard to stomach and I, my heart sunk watching this and I was like, of course, I don't think I'm overreacting, but I was like, how big is this gonna get? How upset are people gonna be? And people are so upset because he calls the hockey team.

• 20:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're all excited to talk to him and he makes a dig at the women's hockey team, who also just won gold. They've won like as many medals as the men over the years. I mean, it doesn't even need to be said. It doesn't even matter if they just won gold or not, but they did. And he's like, I guess I gotta invite them too. They're not, are they going to the White House? They're going to like the State of the Union address.

• 20:31Rayna Greenberg?

  So they politely declined.

• 20:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Of course they did.

• 20:33Rayna Greenberg?

  The women did.

• 20:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  To the State of the Union address, which I think is interesting. Like you invite the Super Bowl winning team to the White House, but like the State of the Union, you get to go to the seminar about the crumbling country. Yeah, like you.

• 20:45Rayna Greenberg?

  I get to go to a meeting.

• 20:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  But bottom line, it's, that's kind of like irrelevant, but on the call, he's like, I guess I gotta invite the women too, or I'll be impeached. And the whole team laughs, like, I was like, is this a hedge fund in the eighties? Like the energy was like, I guess we have to bring the women. And to hear from the president and then the men's team laughs. Like, I mean, already there's, women aren't given as much respect in sports as men. Like, I could cry just even thinking about, I felt sick about it. And like, everything he does is sick, but this took away the moment immediately. I mean, it's just, it's so discouraging.

• 21:23Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know. I mean, I just, he won't ever do one kind thing, one right thing, ever. I don't know why I ever, I certainly don't expect it.

• 21:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 21:30Rayna Greenberg?

  It's just every opportunity to be terrible, he takes it. He can't just congratulate these people. It's, it's really upsetting to watch. I feel like I'm just, I'm constantly in a state of like, can you believe this?

• 21:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know.

• 21:43Rayna Greenberg?

  And I try to not be, but like, we can't have anything nice. And I don't want to hate on the US Men's Hockey Team. Like, I think that these, these athletes that worked really hard their whole lives are in the locker room with the FBI director and they've just won and they're happy and there's smiles on their faces and like, somebody says something so out of pocket and you're on television and I think you don't know how, your body probably goes into like fight or flight. You don't know how to respond. Like, I don't, I don't know how I wanted them to react either. They're gonna start like yelling at Donald Trump. I don't know. I actually don't know.

• 22:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, yes, I, I think there's this like, I don't know, actually. I think people, of course, have seen discourse of like, fuck the hockey team, they should kill themselves. Like, that's extreme and crazy and people ruin everything on the far end of both sides. But, you know, you want to say, you're caught up in the moment. You're, it's this huge win. It's this huge accomplishment. The president calls, you know, you're celebratory. If I'm in the locker room and the president calls, that's ruining my celebration. Hang the fuck up. This is a pedophile, criminal, rapist, dictator. I don't want him on the phone. Like, it's weird to think about it that way. Like, it wouldn't be just a president I don't really like.

• 22:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, George Bush calls, oh, it's the president. All right.

• 22:57Rayna Greenberg?

  He's so cute. Yeah.

• 22:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  On the line, you know, but it's like, that would ruin my time. Like, it's hard for me, in this state of the country, to give anyone a pass to yuck it up with this guy. He's a monster. He's ruining the country. If you love America, he's our op. And, yes, the women's team has declined the invitation and like, the women's team is incredible and... This just undid all the work heated rivalry has done. You know, like, take me back.

• 23:26Rayna Greenberg?

  At least start making out in the locker room. Can one of y'all be like, I don't want to listen to the president on the phone. We're gonna just be jerking it in the showers together.

• 23:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Isn't it crazy how all these women all of a sudden started loving men's hockey?

• 23:42Rayna Greenberg?

  One foul swoop.

• 23:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  So the Obamas should invite the women's team to hang out, but who did invite the women's team to hang out was Flava Flav. So.

• 23:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, literally, he posted on Twitter, just typos galore, eight commas with every sentence. It was so sweet. He said, I want to celebrate them. I'll get them to Vegas, however we have to do it. And I want to celebrate them. Who knew that Flava Flav was just gonna?

• 24:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  I did. Do you not know? Do you not know Flava Flav's involvement in women's Olympic sports?

• 24:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  I only know, I've only known this for like a week. So.

• 24:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Ash is like, as someone who's known this for a week.

• 24:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I just want to be honest. Flava Flav is the sponsor and official hype man for the USA water polo women's and men's national teams. So.

• 24:31Rayna Greenberg?

  He's a sponsor. What is that? How does he become a?

• 24:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's like sponsors a team. He signed an unprecedented sponsorship deal.

• 24:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Money.

• 24:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  That a financial contribution to the 2024 USA Women's Water Polo Olympic Team. Obviously, it's a summer sport. So he basically supports the women's water polo team when they go to the Olympics for the next Olympics as well. So 2024. So what, 2028, he will also, Flava Flav will be the one making sure the women's water polo team is financially able to make it to the Olympics and whatever else they need money for. I don't know.

• 25:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Flava Flav was always on the right side of history, this we're telling me.

• 25:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's like, it's as though the financial details are not disclosed. This contribution underscores Flav's dedication to fostering excellence in women's sport.

• 25:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I have a serious question. Does his money come from music now or like royalties for VH1?

• 25:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Girl, I have no idea.

• 25:20Rayna Greenberg?

  How does Flava have this kind of, could we sponsor a sport?

• 25:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Should we have him on?

• 25:24Rayna Greenberg?

  I want to sponsor the, what's the push? What's the one where they push the little disc around? Can we sponsor a curling team?

• 25:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  I loved the, I think curling always goes viral in some way, but I saw a lot of like parents and grandparents like prepping to do like with the brooms and the vacuums around the house. So that was like a very funny trend.

• 25:40Rayna Greenberg?

  We could sponsor the double luge.

• 25:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, thank you so much. Did you see Shaq? What? Did you send this to me?

• 25:47Rayna Greenberg?

  No, Shaq on the bottom, though.

• 25:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, so many people, because you got, I don't know if you're new here, I love Shaq. I always have. He's like one of my favorite celebrities. Yeah, so here's Shaq tried the double luge on Inside the NBA. Yeah, he was on the bottom. We'll play this if you guys are watching on YouTube. Look at him.

• 26:08Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, what I would give to be on top of Shaq.

• 26:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  So we're, we'll also post this on YouTube, but you and I have that video where we slid down that thing. We were in Seattle, I think.

• 26:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, Ryan was filming it.

• 26:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  It was the drunkest I've ever been on, at a show.

• 26:23Rayna Greenberg?

  I was drunk before we got on stage.

• 26:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Too much. We had this whole dance party on stage, whatever, and we're leaving and there was this like, I don't know, this slide.

• 26:31Rayna Greenberg?

  It's how they receive stuff into like the underground area of the venue. Like it's a slide so when like trucks pull up, yeah, that they can like slide like crates down the ramp. And you and I are outfits.

• 26:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  We were in Halloween costumes and we slid down it. We'll play it on screen, but that's the closest we've gotten to the double luge.

• 26:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, I thought you were gonna say the touching each other.

• 26:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Which is full buy.

• 26:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Awesome.

• 26:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  It was so wholesome.

• 26:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, so really a bummer about the USA hockey team, but congrats to the women's USA hockey team and all of the athletes that have been representing us. So great and to flave a flave and we'll take a quick break and then get back into it.

• 27:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Then we have Love is Blind for you guys and American Sex Top Model. We're just foaming at the mouth.

• 27:09Rayna Greenberg?

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• 28:21Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 29:40Rayna Greenberg?

  All right, we are down to one episode left of this season of Love is Blind. I mean, people are saying it's the best season in so many years. I mean, these women, what a crop of women. Beautiful, successful, wonderful, just like really hold themselves in high regard. And what a trash crop of men.

• 29:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, I mean, not every, I don't know, like every man?

• 30:01Rayna Greenberg?

  No, but Alex and Chris are really, they're holding up the, they're holding up the whole season. The other guys aren't problematic.

• 30:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't even know. Like, I did not see this coming, Ohio. It is definitely the most talked about season in so many years.

• 30:18Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm gonna take my shoes off for this. I'm like, I'm getting comfy.

• 30:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Can I just say, I don't think I have ever been so wrong about anything in the history of this podcast that I was about Chris. I cannot believe it. Like, last week, I was like, if there's one couple that's gonna make it outside of Vic Saint John and Christine, or like, whatever, it's Chris and Jessica. I love them together. I've never seen a 180 like this. We should have known. We've been saying, "Trust no Chris" for eight years. This is crazy.

• 30:50Rayna Greenberg?

  He got past our radar.

• 30:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  But even the beginning of the second batch of episodes, I still liked him. And then he did a complete 180. I've never seen this. They're calling him the biggest villain of the franchise. He's dethroned Shake.

• 31:05Rayna Greenberg?

  It's so shocking. This is the 180 to end all 180s. And I even like have, I think Alex is a liar, and we will get to him, but I do have a bit of a sympathetic take on why somebody lies like that so much. Chris, I mean, I've never seen him. He just seemed nice, into her, proud of her, excited. And by the way, I mean, this is not a hot take. You've seen it over and over on TikTok. If you guys have not seen this, he basically sits down with his fiancee after being great on the honeymoon and saying, "You are not my physical type. I'm usually with women that do Pilates and CrossFit." Mind you, by the way, she's a doctor, but she's-

• 31:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  She's so beautiful. She did have a spray tan wrist.

• 31:39Rayna Greenberg?

  She did. I know.

• 31:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Or self-tanner wrist.

• 31:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Thank you for bringing that to light. No.

• 31:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  I hate that Jessica, love her, such a queen, had to sit there for that shit with self-tanner wrist.

• 31:47Rayna Greenberg?

  I know.

• 31:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  And we have all been there.

• 31:49Rayna Greenberg?

  I think I was in such shock, I didn't even notice it. So that's the silver lining.

• 31:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's fine. We've all been there. She's a relatable queen.

• 31:54Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, I want to say, like, I think you see this on the show a lot. It is perfectly fine to have a physical type. I have a physical type, you have a physical type. There are certain people that I am not attracted to, and it would be a nonstarter for me to spend the rest of my life with them. I think we all deserve to be with somebody that we're attracted to. That is fine. I do not understand, number one, expressing it in that way, and number two, being so cruel and public about it, and then shopping this idea around to the rest of the cast. Somebody who seemingly did nothing to him, and he was like, "I'm going to try to bury her."

• 32:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, but-

• 32:25Rayna Greenberg?

  It's insane.

• 32:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. Like, what he said in his conversation, like- Is terrible. Okay. Like saying you don't work out enough, like really just making her feel bad about herself. But he doubled down with what? Going to the strip club, posting photos with a stripper on his lap and then messaging Bree. It's like he's actively trying to be the villain. And then he goes to the cocktail party and he's just like being the worst. Like he needs to get knocked the fuck out. Like this little guy, I can't, like, I don't want to condone violence, but someone has got to punch him in the face. Like, this is insane. I don't actually understand where this comes from on like just a baseline level. Like, yes, he clearly has problems with alcohol. His ex has released some videos also of the way he

• 33:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  spoke to her and voicemails that he had left to her, also very drunk. He seems like somebody who has clearly has a problem with alcohol. But even with the alcohol, to totally dehumanize a person. Again, I don't have a problem with somebody saying like, this person is not my physical type. I don't, what was the point of this? And also, like, it was only going to go poorly for you. Nobody was gonna have a sympathetic take on this. What was the point of this? I don't get it. And he's standing there with Bree talking about, I want to be with you, my Charles Schwab account. What are you talking about? And so people sort of said, like, she just sort of seems to stand there and tolerate this for a very long period of time. And people have floated that that's not really what the conversation was. And maybe they kind of jump cut. Because it was shocking to watch.

• 33:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  So here's my thing. We will get to Bree. Not really a fan, but again, I'm certainly not going to drag her. I'm actually going to defend her in those moments. I think that it was like, why are you standing here? Why would you entertain this? You're not a girl's girl, this and that. I will say, she's given us good TV. I am assuming the producers were like, Let him cook? Let him cook. Yes. Like, if she was standing there, she had a smirk on her face. She's like, I'm with Connor. What the fuck? Like, I actually think we have to remember these people are trying to make a TV show. And I will give her credit for like, letting him, like, dragging more out of him. She's standing there with a smirk. Like, you can look at it and say she's getting off on

• 34:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  it and she's enjoying the ego boost. But I'm also like, if I'm the producers, I'm like, please indulge him.

• 34:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, I like your take.

• 34:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Thank you.

• 34:41Rayna Greenberg?

  My theory was that this, that we were watching two different conversations. My theory was that he was just doing this and they were jump cutting to her. We've seen this on Love is Blind a lot where they make you look a certain way and that's actually not the conversation you were having. So I, I actually like hold a lot of space with Love is Blind to be like, they just found enough clips of her sitting there quietly.

• 34:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  I, yeah, to me it was more just like, she knows what she's doing. You know, she's the hero we need right now. Let him cook, let him dig his grave and stand there with a smirk and let him, you know, so.

• 35:11Rayna Greenberg?

  This is like a rhetorical question, but like what, what was the point of this from him? To get so drunk to say all these horrible things to tell everybody in the room. I mean, he acted so terrible and then when he finally has the conversation with her.

• 35:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, and he goes up, he puts his arm around her. I screamed.

• 35:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I really was so amazed by her, her poise, her grace, her class to just be like, yes, I am heartbroken that this happened. And I'm, I'm also proud of her that she acknowledged that, like this is deeply devastating, but I'm not putting up with this.

• 35:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like she's, I love.

• 35:40Rayna Greenberg?

  I loved her whole response.

• 35:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  I really do love her.

• 35:42Rayna Greenberg?

  But I guess I'm looking for like a psychologist to explain to me like how all of this happened.

• 35:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I, I think it's so crazy. I mean, I, you know, you don't, how much is the production like seeing an opening to encourage him to go completely off the rails? Or is this who he is? So.

• 36:00Rayna Greenberg?

  It's off the fucking rails.

• 36:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  So we can move on from Chris, but like what a villain and I've never been so wrong. Like, like when those episodes start, and by the way, we got the screeners in advance. So, um, we are up to date. We're going to talk, like, we're talking as if the ones that just aired yesterday, which typically we, you know, was thank you to them for giving that to us so we could be current. So, um, that was nice because we were dated last week because then the episodes came out and people were like, Ashley, I can't wait for you to see this shit.

• 36:28Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. So next week we'll cover the weddings.

• 36:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  So there's just a few things I had made some notes, like Connor grew on me.

• 36:35Rayna Greenberg?

  Me too.

• 36:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I was sad for him and when Bree was doing her monologue, I could not understand what was happening. I was like, is this, is she breaking up with him? Like she's like, you just love me so much, but you're such a beta and I don't know, like I've never been loved like this and I'm such a bitch, but I want to be with you. But I'm not going to say yes at the altar. Like I think Connor was like, wait, am I getting, am I getting broken up with right now? And then to see him say like, I would have said yes, I was neutral in him until that moment. And I was like, oh, I actually was kind of rooting for them and I was bummed.

• 37:06Rayna Greenberg?

  He grew on me.

• 37:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And then. We'll get to, we'll end with Alex, but um.

• 37:10Rayna Greenberg?

  I want to talk about Brittany and Devonte.

• 37:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, and they're not making it to the altar. So, so did you notice that? So they preview.

• 37:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, the altar, you don't see them?

• 37:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  You don't see them. So it's down to three, obviously Christina and Vic and Amber and Amber and Amber, Amber, Queen Amber, mother, really truly mother.

• 37:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Amber is on the show, post show. People, people said she's not 33 and she just clapping, I don't fuck care, I guess I look old.

• 37:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  I tell you, Amber is giving Selling Sunset Ohio. Like when Amber walks in the room, I like, last night Shoshon goes, what does Amber do for a living? I was like, she's a fucking nurse.

• 37:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Rules the world, I don't know.

• 37:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Dressed like she's gonna go to a showing on Selling Sunset Cincinnati. Like she is always to the nines. Her one liners, like she is a mother and she is mother.

• 38:00Rayna Greenberg?

  I love her.

• 38:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  I love her so much. Like, she had like five one liners.

• 38:05Rayna Greenberg?

  At the party.

• 38:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Last week, yeah. It was just like narcissistic fuck. He's not tall enough to act like this. Like, she went all the way. Like, you've gotta listen for Amber's take.

• 38:15Rayna Greenberg?

  I also, she, she surprised me too. I just thought she was just gonna be like, just a contestant. I didn't think that much about, you know? But she is so funny. She's so funny since then. Okay. Brittany and Devonte, he floats the idea of a prenup to her. She is just like, I don't know why you'd go into a marriage thinking that it's gonna end. The same type of stuff you hear people say that have been in a relationship for like three, four, five years, not three weeks. I mean, I don't know why this actually does not come up more on Love is Blind. I'm surprised by it. If you're not getting a prenup with somebody you met on a TV show three weeks ago.

• 38:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's so crazy. And then, you know, I'm just like a prenup expert. So I was like, they actually couldn't legally do a prenup right now.

• 38:52Rayna Greenberg?

  That's what I was thinking.

• 38:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, they have a week.

• 38:53Rayna Greenberg?

  They don't have time.

• 38:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  And they don't, they don't even actually legally have time, but you also have to get all your assets and shit. Like, you need so much more time to do a prenup. And then she needs to send, this is, this, it's a TV show. It's irrelevant, but it's like.

• 39:06Rayna Greenberg?

  No, it's not. I don't know why all these people, they go get a marriage license and they don't have a prenup. And I guess a lot of people are like, I don't have any money. I don't have anything to protect. But like, why, I think I've seen one other person on the show bring this up.

• 39:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  It is so. Nuts because you do not know this person.

• 39:21Rayna Greenberg?

  She looked so sad.

• 39:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  She did. I mean, it's just like, but she had something in her head already, like, you know, and like, if you sat down with her, you could probably explain to her why she would want this. It doesn't matter. They both have doubts and they're not going to make it to the altar. Like they are, this isn't a spoiler. They're not in the finale preview. They don't make it and they shouldn't make it. They suck as a couple. They, they shouldn't get married. That's all I'm saying.

• 39:41Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, honestly, the way I was watching her, I was like, she's so sad. It was as though they'd been together for years. And I was just like yelling through the TV like, girl.

• 39:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Girl, get out of here. She is way too hot for him. Shashank said he looks like a ninja turtle.

• 39:53Rayna Greenberg?

  He does look like somebody just put their hand on his head and smushed him a little bit.

• 39:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like Erica Kirk. You guys, someone said Erica Kirk looks like when your Barbie doll's head would pop off and you would push it back down.

• 40:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  There's no, she's got a neck. How do you?

• 40:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Her chin just goes into her shoulders.

• 40:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  You can't unsee it when you, you remember that, like you couldn't get your Barbie's head back on the.

• 40:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. You just smoosh it down like that. The swivel?

• 40:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 40:17Rayna Greenberg?

  That ball?

• 40:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  The little ball. Yeah. Like the socket and you just smoosh it down and she would have no neck. Like, I can't, I can't ever not see it.

• 40:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Do you have anybody else before we get to Alex?

• 40:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think Mike is gonna say yes to Emma.

• 40:34Rayna Greenberg?

  You think they end up together?

• 40:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Um, I think he's gonna say yes. Do you think he's gonna say no?

• 40:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, they end the episode, obviously with her saying yes.

• 40:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  She says yes and then you don't think?

• 40:41Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm not sure. I think she, I think she doesn't want kids. I think he wants kids.

• 40:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  But she said yes.

• 40:45Rayna Greenberg?

  She said, I will have kids?

• 40:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  He said them at the altar was a mind fuck.

• 40:50Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, they.

• 40:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Even their families. By the way, I'm obsessed with his family, his fucking mob family. Like they.

• 40:55Rayna Greenberg?

  His mom mansplaining with Sunday sausage.

• 40:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  I thought his whole thing was like, I'm not gonna make you make this decision. And then I think she was saying yes. And so that's him. Here's my thing. I think Emma should have kids and have a family. I think she is scared because of what she's been through. I understand her stuff about her family history and her birthmark. I don't say that's not valid. I think she is maybe coming up with some reasons because I think she's scared to have kids and being adopted that comes with. A lot of different things for a lot of different people. I obviously cannot relate on a personal level. I would never tell women they should have children. I don't want children. I think Emma should have a family of her own, whether it's with Mike or not. I feel it so deeply. I think she, deep down, wants a family and I think she should have one, and that's my final take.

• 41:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, alright. I'm curious to see what happens next week. They're just a nice couple. I really like her. I really root for her. I think she's pushed through a lot in her life and she just seems sweet and wonderful and kind and I want her to have a good life, no matter what she chooses.

• 41:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think having children would be very healing for her. I think she would make an amazing mom. And this is, again, coming from somebody that's child free for life. Like, I just, I hope, I want the best for them.

• 42:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, well, we'll tune in next week.

• 42:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  I want the best for them and nothing but the worst for Alex.

• 42:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Now we've made it to Alex, my Roman Empire. I was texting the publicist for Love is Blind yesterday. I was like, can you tell me anything about Alex? And she was like, hey, girl, no, I can't. He is my current Roman Empire. And she's like, yeah, I get it.

• 42:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  We were also on a group chat, me and Reina and KFC, Kevin Clancy, about specifically Alex. And he has theories that he says he can't put on the internet, but we support and whatever.

• 42:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, so just to catch you guys up, I didn't catch this to begin with. Alex is this, like, soccer guy who had played in college and he was gonna be drafted. He was this, I guess, soccer goalie star in college. He got injured and was not able to be drafted. This is his whole personality, his whole self-worth is tied to this soccer career. But he's 35 now, so this was a long time ago, 15 years ago. And on the show, he has expressed a lot of lies. So let me tell you what some of the lies are. Okay, the first few that have been debunked. People did say that that was not his mother that came on the show.

• 43:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  What?

• 43:05Rayna Greenberg?

  So she didn't seem like the person that he was on the phone with, and I agree.

• 43:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 43:11Rayna Greenberg?

  The person he was on the phone with was, the vibe was sort of like, why are you calling me? The vibe was not, let me hop on a plane today and slide to Ohio.

• 43:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  It was, you're so, thank you for saying that. Like, it felt so... Strange that they did seem like they didn't have much of a relationship and then she was just there.

• 43:27Rayna Greenberg?

  And when Ashley was talking to her, she was like, the timeline of his life feels hard to follow. And the mom's like, totally, a lot of people would say that. Yes, it does seem. And I was like, so I will get into this in a minute. I dated somebody like this and the timelines are purposely hard to follow because they're trying to like misdirect you. So that I guess was his mom, actually his mom. And then he says the grandparents were together for 50 years and they died in their 60s. On TikTok, this sleuth dug up the obituaries. I guess he was wrong about when his grandparents died. They did die in their 70s. And so these two things were probably the truth.

• 44:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Though that could have just been a math error. I'm not an apologist, but like, people really dug into this like math of it all. And like, oh, your grandparents met at 14. They actually could have met at like 18 back in then, whatever. So but regardless, it's so much about the Austin and the ex and the Cleveland. And he doesn't have a home.

• 44:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, so COVID ended his career, he said. 2020, his financial services career. I'm pretty sure that COVID did not end your financial services career five years ago, six years ago. Says he's a dual citizen with New Zealand. Based on what?

• 44:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Can I jump in with my favorite Alex quote? I just want to have a house in Florida, a trust in Dubai, and a safe house in New Zealand. The you don't have a job. What trust?

• 44:42Rayna Greenberg?

  He moved to Ohio to be on this show.

• 44:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  You don't have a job or a home, but all of a sudden there's three homes and there's a trust, sir. This is the typical LA guy. No job, no home. And he's like, I'll have

• 44:55Rayna Greenberg?

  No hope to speak of.

• 44:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  A safe house, a trust in Dubai.

• 44:58Rayna Greenberg?

  A safe house from what? All the lies you've told?

• 45:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was like scrolling, obviously, like I do when I watch Love is My. Trust in Dubai? My neck snapped up. I said to Shashank, he didn't say trust in Dubai. With what?

• 45:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Also, he's kind of been this world traveler. He's lived in Florida and Ohio and he's been to Australia and allegedly is a New Zealand citizen.

• 45:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Also, if you live that nomadic lifestyle, that's fine. Like, it's, that's what I think she thought. And now she's like, seeing all the holes. Like, there's nothing wrong with that. People like live that life. But that's doesn't appear to be.

• 45:26Rayna Greenberg?

  That doesn't appear to be what it is. Like a travel nomad. Okay, he's a financial advisor, which. Does the the father grilling him about what are your licenses? What do you trade? I mean, it was very strange. His Austin travel story, when that started to unwind with the girl, with the other girl from Chicago.

• 45:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  And they double teamed him.

• 45:43Rayna Greenberg?

  And he was like, it's two on one. It's like, it takes an army of people to just like unwind this spider web.

• 45:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Two women.

• 45:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Two women.

• 45:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  By an army, you mean two women.

• 45:50Rayna Greenberg?

  And then his name. He changed his name multiple times. So I actually have never seen somebody with this much audacity to go on a national television show and lie this much. I've never seen anything like it. I mean, it is so bold to do something like this because the internet is undefeated. And every one of these things has been debunked.

• 46:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's so crazy. Like, yes, you could have done this in the 90s. People did. That game show serial killer, like sometimes people have this level of audacity.

• 46:19Rayna Greenberg?

  This is Dirty John. I mean, may I suggest Dirty John to you?

• 46:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  But with social media, you're so right. Like, it's another level of delusion. We were saying, I dated one guy, dated, I say loosely, but we had like a, like, whatever, intimate. We had, we had a hook up.

• 46:35Rayna Greenberg?

  You fucked.

• 46:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, but we kept in touch more. It wasn't just a one night stand, whatever. And something about them reminds me of each other, their same demeanor. And that guy did lie in such a big way. He told me his mom was basically dying. She was really sick. And I kind, I debunked it like a year later with someone that knew him. And I was like, that's so sick. And then I had, I checked in on the mom a couple of times. It's so sick. So I don't know, there was something that reminded me like about the way he always is quick with an answer. He's really sharp. It's interesting. Like, he's not stupid.

• 47:10Rayna Greenberg?

  No, these are rehearsed lies. I mean.

• 47:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  But he's quick with them.

• 47:13Rayna Greenberg?

  He's quick with them. I had a very similar situation like this with somebody where you couldn't get the timelines right because they are trying to misdirect you. I had the exact same situation. This guy that played hockey, he told me that he played for West Point. He said he was injured right after he got traded to some team in Seattle to play professional hockey. And his timelines were, I couldn't figure out. He said he lived in like four different places. After West Point, he had gone into the army for a little while. He lived in Chicago. And one night I had gone out with his girlfriends, two of his girlfriends, and he was like being weird and cagey. About it. He was out of town, so he couldn't come. And he was like, fuck them. Don't go out with them. And I was like, I thought these were your best girlfriends. Like, why don't you want me to go out with them? And he was weird about it. And I, I asked them like, one question. And this one girl was like, wait, he never lived in Chicago. And I was like,

• 47:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's all it takes to pull the thread?

• 47:56Rayna Greenberg?

  If that wasn't true, five other things weren't true.

• 47:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 47:59Rayna Greenberg?

  And I sat there and realized every single thing this man had told me was untrue. And I had this feeling in my body of like, none of this is true. These timelines don't add up. He can't explain where he was in any amount of times. And if you like, feel it in your body, you're just probably right.

• 48:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And I really hope Ashley brings him to the altar and breaks up with him. They, they get to the altar. They show them in the preview for next week. But if she decides to be with this guy, she can only blame herself. She knows he's lying. Like, if I'm Ashley, I am indulging this as long as it'll go, because this is my kink, figuring out these lies. Like, if I'm Ashley,

• 48:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Her and her dad.

• 48:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is a dream for me and my dad.

• 48:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Really, like, I would be getting off on, on like, calling him on these lies so much. But she can't fucking marry this guy. I, I just like, they're clearly not gonna make it. But like, she knows. I hope she's just leading us on to, to break up with him in the final hour. But she cannot. If she, I will blame her, because she does know. She's made that clear.

• 48:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Her family knows. She seems to come from like, a stable background. I, I actually really like her. I think, you know, she has fallen victim to the reason somebody like this goes on a show like this, which is that you meet them in these pods and they prey on your emotional kindness and getting to know them. So that once you meet them and obviously see how attractive he is, you're like, I don't care about the other stuff. So she unfortunately fell victim to like, knowing other stuff about him and feeling like, safe. And I guess they had a little bit of sex in the beginning before he decided to stop having sex with her. And the period stuff and continuously saying also on camera that that's not his physical type, which is insane. I don't know. The whole thing is crazy.

• 49:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  We'll discuss the finale next week. Can I just say that we are going to talk about America's Next Top Model documentary today? If Love is Blind took place in the early 2000s, it would be 10 hot singles, 10 hideous trolls. Can they find love behind a wall without seeing each other? Can you picture it? If Love is Blind would have been in the early 2000s.

• 49:56Rayna Greenberg?

  They would only talk about people's looks.

• 49:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, but it would have been, the hook would have been shallow howl. It would have been like, here are these disgusting people, the ugliest people we could find. And here are the hottest people we could find. Let's put them behind a wall.

• 50:09Rayna Greenberg?

  We scoured America for the ugliest people on earth.

• 50:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  See if these models will fall in love with these trolls on the next Love is Blind. Like, I know it in my soul and they would have ate down that show. It would have been the number one show on UPN. It would have, like, literally, like.

• 50:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Every person would have looked like the Married It First Sight guy that his head goes into his shoulders, too.

• 50:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, like, it really would have, wait, you mean, I know you know what I mean. They would have literally found the worst looking people in America and the best looking people, and that would have been the hook.

• 50:41Rayna Greenberg?

  100%. You're so right.

• 50:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I'm so glad we don't, are you? I mean, I'd watch it, but so glad we don't have to live like that anymore. But like, it just kind of reminds you, the TV that we used to consume back then, that we didn't think in that time was problematic. And I just want to start with saying this isn't a defense of like, Tyra, we'll get into it. But it's like, we just have to, we have to remember that it was a different time. And like, we weren't clocking stuff as problematic in the, in the 90s, early 2000s.

• 51:08Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, the number one example of that for me is Girls Next Door with the Playmates and Hugh Hefner. And like, it just, Playboy was the coolest thing back then. And I don't think a lot of people stopped to be like, these are 18-year-old girls with this 80-year-old man that is filming them have sex with each other. Like, this is so sick and abusive. It was just Playboy was so cool. Everybody seemed like they were having fun. So I guess you have to evaluate everything through the lens of the time.

• 51:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 51:34Rayna Greenberg?

  We watched the whole documentary. I mean, it was nice to remember some of these journeys. I really was invested in the show. I mean, did you watch?

• 51:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 51:40Rayna Greenberg?

  All these seasons?

• 51:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, so if you guys don't know, I mean, there's a, is it called Reality Check? And it's America's Next Top Model. Documentary is on Netflix and Tyra Banks is a part of it and they have a lot of the former models, not, not all of them. Some declined to participate and they have the former judges as well. And it swept the nation. And yeah, I mean, I think I watched the first few seasons, like totally in full. I remembered all these stories and then I fell off. I didn't realize it went on that long. You know, it fell off for me personally and I just stopped watching it. But to watch you kind of, it brings you back to that time. There's some nostalgia, but also some of these storylines now are really disturbing. I mean, specifically Shandy. There's, it's really tough. It's like she, it appears that she was pretty much assaulted when she was really drunk and they filmed it all. And then she had to call her boyfriend

• 52:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  and tell him. And I think the sickest part was then they made her relive that years later on the Tyra show. And I couldn't believe what I was watching. Like she didn't want to relive this and they forced it on her. And that's like really vile.

• 52:36Rayna Greenberg?

  This is a person that is begging to not relive this. She says, I can't watch this. And Tyra was like, well, we have a surprise for all of you. We're gonna play it right now. And the biggest thing out of this documentary is obviously Tyra Banks's behavior in the documentary and the inability to vocally take any responsibility or self-reflect or take any responsibility for the experiences of these women. And it's sort of interesting how she oscillates between, you know, if something went well, she opened the door and she paved the way. And if something went poorly, she wasn't part of a production. It had nothing to do with her. And she oscillates between those two things, back and forth, back and forth. And, you know, I'm sure Tyra Banks went through a lot, being a young African American model at that time. I'm sure that no one has any idea what she experienced and

• 53:20Rayna Greenberg?

  went through. And I think that she has become hardened through those experiences. But watching her talk, I was like, this isn't even like a person. I feel like I'm not watching a person that's having like a normal response to things that are being asked of her. I mean, it was just a character.

• 53:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, like it was a masterclass in deflection. I mean, I've never seen someone deflect in such a strategic or so she thought way. But yeah, a lot of the commentary is like, is she acting? Like she feels like she's hosting Top Model right now. Like this is not, she's not being authentic. And, you know, there's a lot, you know, she had a few sort of apologetic moments. I think she was apologizing for her. I think she thought she ate down with this. And then the question of where the other. Producers accountable too. And I think a lot of them have spoken out. I even just saw Jay on Lady Gang talking about it. And you know, it's interesting because it's like, even if they thought stuff was wrong in the moment, you couldn't tell Tyra, you know, like, like,

• 54:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  she was in charge, like, that much was clear. And I haven't watched every single interview with them now. But everyone was accountable, but she was still very much in charge with the people at the top of the network who didn't give a fuck either. Like, they're still the villains, or the people that are like, we don't care, exploit everyone. And I think she set out to do right by these women. And there was some harm done. And she could be a narcissist. I think you could look at her and be like, this is a narcissist in action. But some people are saying she doesn't have anything to apologize for. And that's fine. But to me, like, it is her life's work. And I'm sure she's like, I don't want

• 54:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  to come in here and say, I fucked up, I regret it, we damaged people. Like, that's probably, don't you feel like that's what's on her mind? She's like, how dare you demand an apology for me? I did all this good in the world. And I think what people would want is her saying, obviously, the show was a hit, it opened doors for a lot of people, it redefined beauty standards. If I could do it today, I would do it differently. I've grown, the times have changed. And, you know, I did my best at the time. And I never, of course, wanted to hurt anybody, but I don't regret it. Like, can't two things be true? Like, we had the best intentions. Like, I don't regret anything. We made great TV, and we did do a lot of good, but there was harm done. And of course, I don't know, like,

• 55:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  she could have rode the fence a little instead of this, like, deflection.

• 55:46Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I totally agree with everything you've said. I think that wanting her to apologize is very loaded. Because like, was she in a room by herself, making all these decisions? No. There was a lot of people in these rooms, making these decisions, and producing this, and putting money into this. She wasn't alone in these decisions. And I don't think should be blamed for all these things. And yes, a lot of good came from this and really uplifted people with different body types and different races and different backgrounds. And that's really important. They took these women, they gave them experiences that are really important. She did open doors. But to me, people's relationship to apologizing is so interesting because like, there would be nothing wrong with saying like, seeing it through the lens of today, we made some mistakes and I would be kinder today and I would be more open minded and things that didn't seem like that big of a deal back then.

• 56:28Rayna Greenberg?

  Now I do see that they were and I see that things were being filmed that I didn't know about and people were really hurt. And like, if I could do it all over again, I'd make different decisions and it doesn't have to be all or nothing. Like, just because you say that doesn't mean you're accepting responsibility for 25 seasons of mistakes.

• 56:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 56:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, I think some people are just like, I'm not going to respond, I'm not going to apologize for all this, so I will apologize for none of this.

• 56:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I totally agree with you too. I mean, there were a lot of other things that really have bothered me and that they're saying the models didn't get paid for this. And I read about it and they said that they didn't pay the models because they didn't want them to be biased or something. Like, I did, I tried to do as much research as I could and like, apparently they were not paid. Like, the Jays were paid, like, everybody else was paid, but the models weren't, which I think is crazy because it's like, shouldn't it be that you're being compensated for this? We're making a ton of money off of this. You were being compensated to tell your story. The production company, Netflix, whatever it may be, they are unbiased. It's not Tyra producing it.

• 57:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, I can see one thing if it was like, we're going to pay you just FYI, it's coming from Tyra, so keep that in mind when you're telling your story. Like, isn't this just a documentary that's being produced? It's like, we're paying you for your time, now tell your story. That seems exploitative too.

• 57:42Rayna Greenberg?

  I think it's really important to compensate people for their time. Even, even $250 to just take the cab there, get dressed, do hair and makeup.

• 57:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  It should be way more. I mean, you're making tons of money.

• 57:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Way more, of course, but like, you need to compensate people for their time. They're showing up on set, they're doing hair and makeup. They're spending their time mic'd up, answering questions, thinking about things. Those girls were probably on set for days on end. Like, I just think it's unconscionable to not. Just because people will do it for free, doesn't mean that they should.

• 58:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  I just don't, I don't get it. If the, if the reason is because we don't want them to be biased, that's not going to happen. They're going to share their story. That's what you're telling them to do. It's... It's not coming from Tyra's pocket or something. I like, I don't know if I'm even like phrasing this right, but that I couldn't get that out of my head. And then just overall, not setting these models up for success in the real world. And the fact that Tyra kind of knew that and like, they kind of had a target on their back and they put them out in the world and they couldn't use their photos. And, you know, American Idol was at the exact same time and people became superstars out of that. Like, they were able to figure it out. I know that we're talking about ABC versus UPN and we're talking about two different industries, but like, it really made me sad to bring people on to try to achieve their dreams and exploit them for it and then kind of kick them to the curb. And at the exact same time in tandem,

• 58:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  we saw another show be able to like, not fall into that camp. And that was the hardest part for me. Like, today, these people could build a career in social media, but back then, it's like, A, if you won, you didn't really get what you thought you were promised. And if you didn't really, then you go back to work at Walgreens. Like, it's sad. It's not a dating show where you might go on and you might find love. It's like, this is someone's dream. And it's being exploited for TV and you're actually not getting what was promised, which is, I think that was the thing that's out with me the most. That was tough.

• 59:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, it was tough to watch. I wish these people, these women who had like, worked so hard and would have had better experiences. I think Tyra could argue that like, this was out of her hands. The one thing I will get, I will say that it's just not arguable at all, is that when they fired the whole cast, the rest of the men, that all seemed to like, go on and have relationships with each other, Jay Manuel, Ms. Jay, and Nigel Barker, that Tyra did know about this and did not give them any warning. And it did sound like they had like, a familial type of relationship. And I don't really understand not giving people a warning shot after a decade of working together. I mean, you can't actually argue the other side of that at all. And these people are somebody that you worked with for many years, that you're family, to not have any communication with them. I mean, that, to me, is sick. That, to me, is like, I care about nobody but me. And she tried to spin

• 1:00:10Rayna Greenberg?

  it as that, like, no one is a sacred... Shut up, Tyra! She said it like that because she eventually got fired.

• 1:00:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  But the trend right now is so hilarious. So there's this trend going around on TikTok and reels, of course, that is basically like, I told Tyra this traumatic thing happened and this was my shoot the next day. So the first person I saw do this, it was like, told Tyra my dog died. And then the next day, and she was like posing with a dog. And one of us was like, I told Tyra, my grandma fell in the shower and this was my shoot the next day. And it was like, in the shower. Like, I told Tyra that my, like, something about the blizzard and this was my shoot the next day. It's the funniest trend to me. The dog one really got me. I mean, it's so dark. But like, that was the vibe of just like, taking people's weaknesses. Like, the woman that had to do the gluttony shoot and then be an elephant the next day.

• 1:01:01Rayna Greenberg?

  The woman who was shot in the head. Wasn't like, her mom a victim of a shooting?

• 1:01:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then the

• 1:01:06Rayna Greenberg?

  The Bolivia one?

• 1:01:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  The race swapping. Like, I was like,

• 1:01:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Ashley, when I saw that, I was just like, what are we doing?

• 1:01:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  But then I remembered it. Did you remember it?

• 1:01:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I remember it. But I'm pretty sure that was problematic back then, too. We're gonna swap races? They made Jay Manuel stand in front of all these people and he's like, today on Top Model, guess what, bitches? We're swapping races. Like, he

• 1:01:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're right. Like, it still was early 2000s.

• 1:01:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, we knew the blackface was not okay then. I'm pretty sure that we all were on board.

• 1:01:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Pretty sure.

• 1:01:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, that's crazy.

• 1:01:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, we need to wrap this up. We have watched Love Story. We'll hold it till next week, but we just have a few quick headlines.

• 1:01:46Rayna Greenberg?

  So Eric Dane passed away. He lost his battle with ALS. He obviously is beloved from Grey's Anatomy and not really from Euphoria.

• 1:01:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not so much from Euphoria.

• 1:01:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Honestly, I really can only, I recently watched Euphoria, so it's hard for me. But, you know, our condolences go out to his family.

• 1:02:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then, this is what I thought was really interesting. He put out a interview that he wanted to air after his death. So this is on Netflix, and he leaves behind his final words and talks about his children and his wife. And the takeaways are, live now in the present, fall in love, choose your friends wisely, finally, fight with every ounce of your being and with dignity. When you face challenges, health or otherwise, fight, never give up, fight until your last breath. This disease is slowly taking my body, but it will never take my spirit. So that was just really emotional. But, I mean, I don't know. I find that to be a really impactful thing to do, you know,

• 1:02:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  like after I, this is what I want my legacy to be. So that's on Netflix. If you guys want to check that out.

• 1:02:54Rayna Greenberg?

  And then The Mormon Wives, season four, it's coming out in March. The trailer was released. My boyfriend, Harry Jowsey's in it. Sexiest man. Love him. Demi is in the trailer. She is not in the photo for season four. So people are not sure how much she's going to participate in it. It's interesting. I mean, she also was not going to participate in season three and she was just wall to wall.

• 1:03:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  She can't help herself.

• 1:03:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, but she's not in the photos for season four. And then finally, in an interview, the actress who plays Bree on Tommy Lys, Kat Missall, basically the interviewer was saying, was discussing the show's serious finale. After three seasons, it's dramatic storylines that are never short of toxic relationships with men. And she said, well, I am gay, so thank God. What a mic drop.

• 1:03:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Go off, girl.

• 1:03:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, so I guess, I don't know, like, and then her partner was present and said, you're safe with me. It's like, fucking men. I don't even have any, well, I'm gay, so thank God. Record screech.

• 1:03:55Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I love it.

• 1:03:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  She'd never come out about her sexuality and like, what an iconic way to drop it after these, like, the show with these toxic men.

• 1:04:03Rayna Greenberg?

  All these terrible ones. Well, I'm gay.

• 1:04:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, so I don't have to worry about that. It's so.

• 1:04:07Rayna Greenberg?

  We love you, queen.

• 1:04:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  It hits like such a dagger when lesbian is like, yeah, it's rough for you. And you're like, yeah, I mean, I have a good one, but it's just like, it does hit different.

• 1:04:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, it does.

• 1:04:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, that is your snack. Thank you, guys, for listening. girlsgottaeat.com. Get tickets to our Netflix is a Joke Festival show, which is going to be May 7th here in LA at the Palace Theater. We are so excited. We cannot wait to see you guys there. Girls Got to Eat Podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok. Reina is Reina.Greenberg and ReinaGreenberg.com for her tour tickets. And subscribe on YouTube. Share this episode with a friend and we will see you Monday.

• 1:04:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Have a great weekend, guys.

• 1:04:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bye.