The Snack: Random Couples, Garlic Baths, and Love is Blind

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we're talking about: New (and random) celeb couples Papa John's has a bath bomb?! Luigi Mangione thanks his fans/admirers Who attended SNL 50 The White Lotus is back Love is Blind new season Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to Wildgrain: Get 30% off your first box plus free croissants in every box at https://wildgrain.com/GGE or use promo code GGE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Welcome to the snack, a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat.

• 0:04Rayna Greenberg?

  This is a Dear Media production.

• 0:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Enjoy.

• 0:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi guys.

• 0:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hi guys.

• 0:12Rayna Greenberg?

  We are wearing the exact same outfit today. I can't even look at you without laughing.

• 0:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  I can't. Bitch, stole my look. When did you buy that? I want to run the tape.

• 0:19Rayna Greenberg?

  It came this morning.

• 0:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, I wore this for like a week straight. I got this as a Christmas.

• 0:25Rayna Greenberg?

  At Christmas, I know.

• 0:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  A Christmas gift for my fiance and I wore it for like five days in a row when we were traveling. So this is on you.

• 0:33Rayna Greenberg?

  I bought this on a TikTok shop, obviously.

• 0:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, okay.

• 0:36Rayna Greenberg?

  When you walked in in this exact same outfit, you guys, this just happens a lot to us. But it'd normally be like a black tee and some jeans, like stuff that every girl wears every day. Not a white sweatsuit.

• 0:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, even on this week's episode, right? We were just wearing like the same Citizen butterfly jeans and I wore black and you wore white. Like, we look ridiculous. It's real best friendship.

• 0:57Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't.

• 0:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's like couple stuff.

• 0:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Isn't that crazy, though?

• 1:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  But like, you just start to morph into one person after all this time. Except for live shows, because you like to wear like an.

• 1:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Costume.

• 1:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Ice Capades costume.

• 1:08Rayna Greenberg?

  I want to wear a costume. I can't believe I spent all these years just like putting on clothing. Like, I could have just been shopping on Amazon for costumes.

• 1:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  And are these new sneaks?

• 1:17Rayna Greenberg?

  These are old sneaks. They're from ALO. They're so clean, so I haven't worn them.

• 1:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 1:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, maybe probably worn them twice. They look brand new.

• 1:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Big logo.

• 1:24Rayna Greenberg?

  As big as it gets.

• 1:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, it's fine.

• 1:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so that's just like TikTok, that's the brand?

• 1:30Rayna Greenberg?

  It's some TikTok shop. It's just some overpriced TikTok shop. It's called S U P E S U. Supsu. And honestly, it really snatches you. It's cute. And yours is?

• 1:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Mine's Nike.

• 1:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Nike, uh huh, from Portland.

• 1:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm a Nike girl.

• 1:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I know. I'm more of an Adidas girl.

• 1:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I'm an ALO girl. You're a Lulu girl.

• 1:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 1:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I'm a Birkenstock girl.

• 1:52Rayna Greenberg?

  I wear Birks.

• 1:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  I have three pairs.

• 1:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Take a look at my toes.

• 1:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I had to cut them myself because they were so overgrown.

• 1:59Rayna Greenberg?

  We're back to the French manicure.

• 2:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was felt like they were putting me up a shoe size. They were stupid toenails get so long. So I did.

• 2:07Rayna Greenberg?

  God, I'm gonna let you finish.

• 2:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  I did chop them myself, but I'm gonna go in there this week. Right, it looks so nice.

• 2:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, our new.

• 2:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Our new place.

• 2:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Pinkies? You haven't been there?

• 2:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  I haven't been in the new location. It's on the corner.

• 2:19Rayna Greenberg?

  I've been telling you.

• 2:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Takes up the whole corner.

• 2:21Rayna Greenberg?

  So I've been in these streets a lot and.

• 2:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  It looks so glam.

• 2:23Rayna Greenberg?

  It's so gorgeous. And I went last Saturday and the guy doing my, my pedicure was like, I have to really thank you. Like you've talked about this on the podcast. We've had a lot of people come in from the podcast. And I was like, oh my God, thinking he was, can I get you a drink? And I was like, no, I'm fine. He goes, no, like alcohol. And I was like, yeah. And they were pumping me full of soju. I had to walk home.

• 2:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  I love that.

• 2:46Rayna Greenberg?

  They were, they offered to drive me home.

• 2:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:48Rayna Greenberg?

  He was like, I'll take you. I was like, okay.

• 2:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Save the shuttle service?

• 2:52Rayna Greenberg?

  No, he was just gonna drive me home.

• 2:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  They were like, come get the open bar, get the soju, we'll drive you home. I'm obsessed. It is very funny what people hear. My mountain guy also said that someone told him we talked about on the podcast.

• 3:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Wait, really?

• 3:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Igor. So I'll mention him again. He's on his own now.

• 3:09Rayna Greenberg?

  You have given me all my mountain guys. Do you know that? The guy, I've been like, this guy's been coming over a lot. You don't even know about it.

• 3:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, Igor is my main guy. And if you guys want to check him out,

• 3:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm just gonna give you his Instagram and it's TV mounted.

• 3:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  So TV mounted, just that's, you know, that's what it is. And he's great. He's done three TVs. He just recently did the one that I, we stole from you.

• 3:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Ashley, you will not stop reminding me about this TV. Every day I'm being like waterboarded by the TV. Ashley's like, do you have a mount you could bring over? And then on Saturday, she's like, do you have like the remote control that you could give me? And I was like, every day we used to talk about this TV.

• 3:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm sorry, we couldn't use it without the remote.

• 3:52Rayna Greenberg?

  And then yesterday.

• 3:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  You didn't give me a full TV. No, you gave me a TV, no mount, no remote. Also, by the way, I just need to make it clear. My fiance can mount a TV. But I just feel like it's a skill that someone comes in, they have all the shit ready to go and it's like done, done, done. It's like, I just want to be clear because then I wanted to move it up and he moved it up and he, I was like, it was very hot, you know? Like he can mount a TV. I gotta be very clear.

• 4:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Can he mount a TV in seven minutes like Rob? You don't know that reference. That's okay.

• 4:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, it's from Vanderpump, isn't it?

• 4:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, I'm proud of you.

• 4:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Anyway, guys, TV mounted. Tell Igor I sent you.

• 4:24Rayna Greenberg?

  I've had handy men in the house continuously, just around the clock. I'm finally down with the renovation. But I know I said at the beginning of the year that I was gonna like learn how to do all this stuff, but like, I'm not mounting televisions. I'm not doing that.

• 4:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's just one of those things of like, just bring someone in, a small business, pay them, they're gonna do it so quick.

• 4:43Rayna Greenberg?

  60 bucks an hour.

• 4:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  They have all this stuff. But yes, we just, we put the TV in the bedroom and it's been a game changer.

• 4:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, your TV's in my bedroom and I couldn't watch White Lotus last night because I couldn't download HBO Max onto that TV without a Samsung login, which I do not have, which is associated with your account. So I had to watch it downstairs in the room that I don't like.

• 5:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  That is a tragedy. The same thing almost happened to us last night. We, we were trying to watch on YouTube TV and it said you had to, it said you had to get an LG login. And I was like, absolutely not. And so we were able to just not update the app and still watch it. This is so funny.

• 5:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Who knew that we would be dressed the same, but we're, we're Samsung versus LG?

• 5:24Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, I had this moment where I got a little scared because you're using all of my apps that I'm previously logged into, you know?

• 5:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  We did log into your Netflix.

• 5:30Rayna Greenberg?

  That's okay.

• 5:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  I, we, I logged out, but I was like,

• 5:32Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't care.

• 5:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  I thought I would be seeing something funny on your algo. Nothing. It's just same as mine.

• 5:35Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, I got worried that you were gonna see my porn categories because I watch porn on my TV sometimes. But like, then I remembered, I actually don't watch it through YouTube. I mirror it from my phone to the TV.

• 5:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 5:47Rayna Greenberg?

  You, that is like top tier. I can't decide if I'm proud of that or ashamed that I mirror porn onto the TV from my phone.

• 5:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Watch it full script, full size.

• 5:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, full size. So.

• 5:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Life size.

• 5:58Rayna Greenberg?

  I want the dicks to be enormous. So I didn't know if you were gonna get us that, but you're not. Okay. We're just gonna thank our partner and we're gonna jump in. Thanks to Wild Grain, get 30% off your first box plus free croissants in every box at wildgrain.com/gge or use promo code GGE.

• 6:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  And that's it today. Sponsored by Brad, this episode.

• 6:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Like our bodies. Okay. Do you wanna kick it off with a report?

• 6:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, yes. We have a random couple report.

• 6:23Rayna Greenberg?

  There's just been a lot lately.

• 6:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 6:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Nobody substantiated, really.

• 6:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, really?

• 6:28Rayna Greenberg?

  This first one, I think, is substantiated. The other three, not so much.

• 6:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not substantiated. Well, Kate, you wanna kick it off with our first one?

• 6:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Tom Cruise and Ana de Armas.

• 6:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh.

• 6:37Rayna Greenberg?

  I.

• 6:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't care. I don't care who Tom Cruise dates.

• 6:41Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't either. And I think that like, if you date him, I find it a little odd. I feel like the extreme allegiance to Scientology.

• 6:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 6:47Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm not trying to like insult people's religions. If you guys were Scientologists, you're probably not listening to this show, though. And I know a lot about Scientology, so I can talk about it.

• 6:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Raina does. Oh, my God. You blew my parents away that time. You just really like presented a thesis to them, a cab one night.

• 7:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Remember it. We were, I think we were coming back from 12 Chairs in Brooklyn.

• 7:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 7:06Rayna Greenberg?

  I've read a lot about Scientology. I don't know that I care about this couple. It's just random.

• 7:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 7:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, okay.

• 7:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Next up, we have Zoe Kravitz and Noah Centineo. Is that how you say it, Tessa?

• 7:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Centino.

• 7:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Centino. No, it's not. It's like got an extra letter.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  I thought you pronounced it correctly. Centineo.

• 7:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 7:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Isn't he a TikTok person? Shouldn't you know that?

• 7:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Or Centino. Okay, so there is an age gap here. I thought it was more, but it's not too much. It's she's 36, he's 28.

• 7:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, is he that old?

• 7:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  I guess I thought, I mean, maybe I thought she was a little older. I thought he was a little younger. I think I just thought he was a little younger because of like, what? Is he all the boys I've loved before? Yeah, I just think of him as kind of like a teenager, like a hot teenager. Oh, no, he's so hot. So I am upset because of her and Channing Tatum's breakup. That's my favorite celebrity couple of all time.

• 7:51Rayna Greenberg?

  I know you are. Okay.

• 7:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I think Zoe and I have the same taste.

• 7:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 7:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Because like Channing Tatum, very into Noah Centineo. And then she also dated somebody. I don't think a lot of people know this. This is going to ruffle some feathers because people hate when I say his name, but she dated Drake.

• 8:13Rayna Greenberg?

  She did?

• 8:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Wait, I-

• 8:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  She dated, very briefly, in 2013. She dated Drake.

• 8:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Also, you're, this is not that rare. I mean, everybody has her taste. Okay.

• 8:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know. Some people think Channing Tatum's a butterface and I've loved-

• 8:30Rayna Greenberg?

  That's insane.

• 8:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  I've loved him forever. But really quick, I just feel like this is some hot tea because my fiance didn't even know that Zoe Kravitz and Drake dated briefly in 2013. They were seen kissing at a Beyonce concert.

• 8:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Really?

• 8:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then she confirmed it years later on Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen.

• 8:48Rayna Greenberg?

  I think she is so beautiful. I mean, who wouldn't date her?

• 8:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  And she dated Dan Humphries.

• 8:52Rayna Greenberg?

  What?

• 8:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. Like, I'm telling you, I'm really into her dating history.

• 8:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Holy shit.

• 8:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Penn Badgley, you guys. Gossip Girl.

• 9:00Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, I just finished Gossip Girl two days ago.

• 9:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's really having a resurgence.

• 9:04Rayna Greenberg?

  I've watched the whole thing again. That is, I'm gonna say, one of the best season series finales of all time, ever. Unbelievable.

• 9:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  They closed it out strong.

• 9:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Killed it. Okay, for a long time, while we were talking about this, I was thinking, we were talking about Noah Beck, the TikToker.

• 9:22Rayna Greenberg?

  That's fair. I was like, that guy's so sexy. He dated Dixie D'Amelio. I was just like, he's part of, what was that, Hub House?

• 9:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, yeah. No, not Hub House. It's Lindsay Hubbard.

• 9:34Rayna Greenberg?

  What was it called? Hub House. Hub House is Lindsay Hubbard. I got Summer House on the brain. Um, I thought it was Noah Beck, and I was like, go off Zoe Kravitz, this young boy.

• 9:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  But do you know?

• 9:45Rayna Greenberg?

  When you said there was such-

• 9:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  She really does have my type.

• 9:47Rayna Greenberg?

  When you said it was such an age difference, I was like, isn't he 22?

• 9:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  But do you know Noah Centineo? Centineo?

• 9:54Rayna Greenberg?

  I had to look it up. I actually don't really, he's sexy.

• 9:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's so sexy.

• 9:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Really sexy. Not as sexy as Noah Beck.

• 10:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Another age gap, which this, again, just speculation, right, is Demi Moore and Andrew Garfield.

• 10:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Age gap queen.

• 10:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  62, she's 62. But most beautiful woman alive.

• 10:13Rayna Greenberg?

  It's, it's shocking.

• 10:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's like the hair, it's everything. She's so beautiful.

• 10:20Rayna Greenberg?

  I know.

• 10:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think she's my top of a woman. I mean, always she's been beautiful, but a 62, 62, you're pulling Spider-Man?

• 10:28Rayna Greenberg?

  No, it's crazy.

• 10:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is he like half- Oh, and sorry, he's 41.

• 10:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Which we love it.

• 10:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is he 41?

• 10:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Hot age alert. It is.

• 10:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, this final one, Austin Butler and Madeline Klein. I, so they were spotted out at a restaurant, like a celebrity hotspot in LA, and people are saying like they did this on purpose to like announce their relationship, but it's unsubstantiated. However, I would like to just go on record and say, if I could have anyone's dating history, anyone, it's her.

• 10:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my God, I don't know anybody.

• 10:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, so you do, you all do. So Madeline Klein, she was the star of Outer Banks. She dated Chase Stokes, who's her, the opposite-

• 11:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  The co-star?

• 11:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Her co-star. So opposite her on Outer Banks.

• 11:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 11:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Just, and he is dating Kelsea Ballerini now.

• 11:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 11:08Rayna Greenberg?

  They've been together for a while. So I, one of the hottest men alive, gorgeous, perfect, amazing. Austin Butler, she dated Pete Davidson. I just want to take a ride.

• 11:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know you do. You've been saying this for years.

• 11:19Rayna Greenberg?

  I just want to like, I just, we had the same agent for some time. I probably should have struck when the iron was hot back then. I just, I feel like everybody gets to like, pay the toll and take a ride and I haven't. And then she played opposite Dave Bautista.

• 11:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh.

• 11:32Rayna Greenberg?

  In Glass Onion and she, they got, they had like a very like sexy sexual relationship. She's like all over him. And she's riding a motorcycle on the back of Dave Bautista and like, if I could have anybody's dating history slash co-star history, because she co-started a lot of these people, it's her.

• 11:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  You want to be her.

• 11:47Rayna Greenberg?

  I do want to be her.

• 11:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I want to be Zoe.

• 11:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 11:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. You're more Ashley's friend and more Raina's friend.

• 11:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Wait in the comments. Okay. And then just to round out these like collabs that are a little sus, Papa John's released a

• 12:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  You said that with no irony.

• 12:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is, this is another random couple, you guys.

• 12:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Uh, Papa John's has unveiled a garlic dipping sauce bath bomb. Now, I love Papa

• 12:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Let that sink in, you guys.

• 12:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Like you're going to bathe in garlic sauce smell.

• 12:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, it's so funny because people would say like, oh, that garlic sauce, I would bathe in it. And they were like, what is that? Say what? We'll do it. Say less.

• 12:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I love Papa John's. I've been a long time fan.

• 12:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right, right. Cause you're Papa's and I'm Domino's.

• 12:33Rayna Greenberg?

  I actually love Domino's and Pizza Hut.

• 12:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Everyone loves Domino's, but if you, like, we've kind of

• 12:37Rayna Greenberg?

  I went to college with Daughter John. So I went to college with Daughter John and I love Papa John's. I love their breadsticks and their garlic dipping sauce. I would drink it. And I love the smell of garlic. There's no better smell when you walk into a home and somebody's cooking. I think the, I would even do like a garlic candle, but I don't want my body to smell like that. What if somebody was going down on you and they're like, what is that smell?

• 13:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's crazy. And like, my first thought was like, okay, you're, you're bathing in the garlic. It's going in your puss. And I was like, A, it's giving BV, but then I thought, or also the cure for BV. Because if you ever heard people say that you're supposed to put garlic up your puss.

• 13:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  So is it BV or is it the cure for BV? Okay.

• 13:24Rayna Greenberg?

  It is the cause and the cure.

• 13:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  The cause and the cure. No, so I was like trying to remind myself, like I swear people used to be talking about putting garlic up their pussy, right? So a 2014 study found that garlic supplement tablets had a similar therapeutic effect in treating BV as metronizetol, an oral antibiotic. However, it is important to note that the above study assessed oral garlic supplements only. A person should never place garlic or garlic products in or around their vagina. So no, but people, I swear to God, I think there's people out there and like let us know in the comments that we're really pushing that for a while to put like garlic cloves up your vagina.

• 13:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, I think that this is like widely known that like people do this.

• 14:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 14:01Rayna Greenberg?

  It's probably, there's probably no real garlic in this, probably very similar to the Papa John's garlic sauce. It's probably just natural flavors, which means not natural flavors. So it, but it got me thinking about other, other collabs. I'm just going to read them to you and you just, I mean, you can give me a yes and no, a fuck no. All food related Coca-Cola Oreos. These are real collabs, by the way, that have existed.

• 14:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  That have happened.

• 14:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Coca-Cola Oreos.

• 14:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'd give them a spin.

• 14:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Mustard, yellow mustard Skittles.

• 14:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  No. Hard pass.

• 14:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Van Leeuwen Kraft mac and cheese ice cream.

• 14:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, no, I feel sick.

• 14:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Similarly, Papa Bagel had a Cheez-It cream cheese.

• 14:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  A hundred percent.

• 14:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 14:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm in, yeah. Makes sense.

• 14:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Cream Cheez-It.

• 14:46Rayna Greenberg?

  You should kind of wrap that, cream Cheez-It.

• 14:51Rayna Greenberg?

  I threw this one in here because we're across the street from Arowan. Arowan Bag Balenciaga.

• 14:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, the bag.

• 14:57Rayna Greenberg?

  It's kind of food related. Old Spice did an Arby's collab where they did meat sweats, Arby's under like deodorant.

• 15:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I mean, I'd have to smell it. I don't want my man smelling like roast beef.

• 15:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. And then Pringles and the Caviar Company.

• 15:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  It was caviar flavored?

• 15:14Rayna Greenberg?

  It's actually comes, it's a little set that comes with like a can of Pringles and a can of caviar.

• 15:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like totally makes sense.

• 15:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Great, right? I love that one.

• 15:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  What about Vibes Only and Dill Pickle Flow Gel? That's what it's giving.

• 15:25Rayna Greenberg?

  It wasn't for me, but it was a big seller.

• 15:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 15:27Rayna Greenberg?

  People sold it out in one day.

• 15:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. VibesOnly.com. Okay, so we are a few days, almost a week past Valentine's Day and something really stuck out from our collective Valentine here in the US, in the world, really. He spoke out.

• 15:47Rayna Greenberg?

  The voice that we needed, we're still talking about Valentine's

• 15:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Was Luigi Mangione. Again, America's Valentine.

• 15:56Rayna Greenberg?

  He finally released a statement from jail. He released a website.

• 15:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  We've been, we've been waiting.

• 16:00Rayna Greenberg?

  We have. I feel like I haven't felt joy.

• 16:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know.

• 16:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Weeks without Luigi.

• 16:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 16:04Rayna Greenberg?

  So here's the statement, I, on Valentine's Day, I am overwhelmed by and grateful for everyone who has written me to share their stories and express their support. Powerfully, the support has transcended political, racial, even class divisions, blah, blah, blah. While it is impossible for me to reply to most letters, please know that I read every one that I receive. Thank you again to everyone who took the time to write. I look forward to hearing more in the future. Luigi Mangione. While I read all them, I just wish I had time to reply. It's giving like just an influencer girly.

• 16:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's giving way better than Matt James breakup post.

• 16:34Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm so glad you brought that up.

• 16:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Dear Father God. Okay. Also, like, I want to know how many letters he's getting. So many people must be writing to him. Like, you know, he's, that's probably got to be all he's doing in there.

• 16:47Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, what else?

• 16:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Reading his fan mail.

• 16:49Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, do you think him and Diddy were talking?

• 16:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  No.

• 16:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're going to do an album.

• 16:54Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, what else is there to do? I'm sure he's getting like a ton of letters, a ton of attention. He has nothing else to do. Why aren't you writing me back?

• 17:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Elizabeth Holmes is, um, she's reading Harry Potter and doing something else for like 30 cents an hour.

• 17:07Rayna Greenberg?

  So she finally also.

• 17:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  She says it's like hell.

• 17:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Prison?

• 17:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hot take. Yeah.

• 17:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 17:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. She's like, this sucks.

• 17:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, you shouldn't have.

• 17:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm just like reading Harry Potter.

• 17:14Rayna Greenberg?

  You shouldn't have defrauded all these people, Elizabeth Holmes.

• 17:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, you know. They made an example out of her.

• 17:18Rayna Greenberg?

  They did. I think a lot of the men that corroborated with her should be also in prison.

• 17:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 17:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Absolutely. I'll talk about Theranos and Elizabeth. Don't get me started on my Theranos.

• 17:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 17:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Matt James. I'm glad he brought this up.

• 17:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, right. Oh, my God.

• 17:30Rayna Greenberg?

  So he, his behavior on social media has been crazy. He is not acknowledging the breakup at all with Rachel Currconnell. Which I always say, it is your right to not acknowledge that publicly. You don't have to make public statements, but he started this.

• 17:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, right. He just like dropped the breakup post and walked away, which again, and again, if you guys, this is a former Bachelor, his breakup with the woman who he left the show with, it just was super public news, but. Yeah, I get, I mean, the less you talk about it, the more it's gonna go away. So, I mean, I guess that's his frame of mind. I don't know.

• 18:03Rayna Greenberg?

  I just don't know why he talked about it to begin with, because it's, it looks as though through his social media, if you go through it, he's scanning the comments and filtering them. They're all really positive, which couldn't be the case. I feel like he was like the most hated man in America for two weeks.

• 18:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my God, that, absolutely.

• 18:17Rayna Greenberg?

  So it felt like he was really filtering comments. And then he went to, he posted this thing that said like, I bought a one-way ticket to Kenya. My father was from Nigeria. Does anybody have Africa recs? The biggest continent on the planet, Nigeria and Kenya, they're so far away from each other. I had to look them up. That's like saying, I'm going to New York. Do you have any California recs?

• 18:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  I, when you sent that to me, I was like, gee, does anyone have recommendations for this continent?

• 18:41Rayna Greenberg?

  The continent!

• 18:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Does anyone have any North America recs? I'm out here. Anything in Asia?

• 18:48Rayna Greenberg?

  I'd like, I'm looking for-

• 18:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  You guys know anywhere in Asia to go?

• 18:50Rayna Greenberg?

  But like, I thought, what, for a place for dinner?

• 18:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 18:53Rayna Greenberg?

  A place to go to dinner?

• 18:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Africa recs. Even like, I'll be going, I'll be doing a few countries.

• 18:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 18:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Or maybe he's just like, I'll do whatever.

• 19:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Can't come back to America.

• 19:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 19:03Rayna Greenberg?

  They don't want me.

• 19:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's crazy. I died over that.

• 19:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Do you think, and we are gonna move on, I have a theory about The Bachelor that I want to run by you.

• 19:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 19:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Do you, so The Bachelorette was put on pause, what, indefinitely, right? It was supposed to air in June. They allegedly had picked a lead and they've pivoted.

• 19:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  And we talked about this last week.

• 19:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes. Do you think that they're waiting for Rachel Kirkconnell to agree to be The Bachelorette?

• 19:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my God, what a theory.

• 19:24Rayna Greenberg?

  That's my new theory, is that they, this happened and they were like, who on the planet could be better than her now?

• 19:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, maybe. I mean, again, if the franchise is struggling, that would bring it back. You know, that would be somebody people would tune in to see. So, maybe they're like, it's Rachel or nobody.

• 19:40Rayna Greenberg?

  That's who I, that's my new theory, is they're trying to like, negotiate with her.

• 19:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. I like it. Well, we are just gonna tell you guys about Wild Grain, and then- We'll get back into it.

• 19:51Rayna Greenberg?

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• 20:24Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 20:36Rayna Greenberg?

  So fresh. I can't believe how fresh the pasta is.

• 20:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my God.

• 20:40Rayna Greenberg?

  And like, for like, weeks in my freezer, I just like, anytime somebody popped over, I was like, I have fresh pasta for dinner.

• 20:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Here's a loaf of bread.

• 20:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 20:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Just look at me, trad wife. Just baking bread, nothing else to do.

• 20:52Rayna Greenberg?

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• 20:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 20:54Rayna Greenberg?

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• 21:36Rayna Greenberg?

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• 21:50Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 21:52Rayna Greenberg?

  What?

• 21:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Every membership, they donate four meals. So for every new Wild Grain member, we donate four meals to the Greater Boston Food Bank.

• 22:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Wait, that's so sweet.

• 22:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  I love that. 510,000 plus meals donated.

• 22:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, my God.

• 22:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's really special. We love Boston.

• 22:07Rayna Greenberg?

  You guys, just like, do something that you're gonna, that's delicious, that's does good for other people.

• 22:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know.

• 22:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I love this. Okay, so SNL 50 was this week.

• 22:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I mean, wow. Like, what a dynasty, SNL Hot Take. I just, I mean, we love it. I can't sit here and say I watch it every week, but it's, you know, I think it's interesting to think about the cast that like speaks to you the most. You know, like I saw something that was like, this was a lot of millennials' original cast, like Will Ferrell and Tina Fey and all those, Molly Shannon, Amy Poehler, like all around that time. I mean, Will Ferrell for me was just.

• 22:41Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, when you say the most iconic cast, the first person that comes to mind is Will Ferrell.

• 22:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, what, they did a concert?

• 22:49Rayna Greenberg?

  On Friday night, a concert at Radio City Music Hall. It's every person in the entertainment industry. I, I couldn't believe the red carpet. Like, if a bomb went off in that room, that would be the end of the entertainment industry.

• 23:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, right. That's so dark.

• 23:02Rayna Greenberg?

  That's what I think about it.

• 23:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's 2025 for me. I mean, just seeing who was at the concert and the actual show was the coolest guest list ever, because it's all these people in comedy and then everyone who's hosted it. Like, I don't know what cooler red carpet than for this, because it's still all like the main celebrities, but like you had to have hosted for the most part, you know, like even kind of seeing red carpet. I'm like, oh, I forgot when they were on it or whatever.

• 23:28Rayna Greenberg?

  It was really, and every musical guest also. I mean, it is the coolest carpet that exists. It was like, the first time I saw Kim Kardashian was when I went like, oh, my God, like, everyone is here.

• 23:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 23:38Rayna Greenberg?

  And it's just special. Yeah. I mean, some of the best comedy moments of our lives are from that show. That's not a hot take, but to really think about the fact that this was 50 years and how many people's careers came from this, it was so, so special and. I watched part of the special on Sunday night. That type of sketch comedy isn't really always my favorite.

• 23:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 23:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Which is not, it's never gonna be. I think there was a lot of like throwback moments that were probably really special. I was talking to one of my friends and she was watching with her mom and her mom has been watching this for 50 years and was like, this was amazing for her.

• 24:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Um, right, like, how do you condense 50 years into three hours, you know, like?

• 24:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 24:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think it was a solid representation of the show. I don't, if you were expecting something more than, what, what were you expecting?

• 24:19Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know.

• 24:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 24:20Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I just, I thought it was really special and beautiful. A lot of crazy moments and I want to like touch on a couple. I just, I was, that, the after-party photos really got me. Like, I just was like, every person was in that room and like, I was like dying to know, were Kim and Pete gonna talk?

• 24:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my God.

• 24:33Rayna Greenberg?

  And like, he has like got his tattoos removed since, and is she like into that now? Is she dating somebody?

• 24:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know.

• 24:39Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know. Um, but I was just dying to know, like, did they bump into each other? Did they talk?

• 24:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 24:43Rayna Greenberg?

  And then like-

• 24:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, him, I'm sure he had more exes in the room than just her, right?

• 24:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, so let's think.

• 24:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, it had, he had to have. Who hasn't dated Pete Davidson?

• 24:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Kate Beckinsale, Madeleine Klein, Kim Kardashian, Ariana Grande.

• 24:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 24:57Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm trying to do more exes for Pete Davidson. I think that that's all I can remember right now. But the biggest news of the night, Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively hit the red carpet. It just, I mean, exploded the internet.

• 25:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Cause we just haven't seen them out?

• 25:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, so they skipped, they skipped award season.

• 25:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 25:12Rayna Greenberg?

  They haven't been on any of these carpets and obviously the lawsuit's been so messy and so people did not expect them to so publicly be there, but they've both hosted SNL before. This is not such a shock.

• 25:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, you know me, I'm not this, I'm not a Blake Lively apologist or Ryan Reynolds, but like, I don't know, like, I, I guess I don't, maybe I'm missing something? Like, why people would criticize them going to this? They need to stay in their house?

• 25:35Rayna Greenberg?

  So, people really came out in full force against this and they were just like, it's really tasteless to be in the middle of a lawsuit like this and-

• 25:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Who isn't in the middle of a lawsuit? Who in Hollywood isn't dealing with something? The world is on fire.

• 25:49Rayna Greenberg?

  The, the trial is set for March 26th. So are they supposed to stay in the house for the next year? Like, at what point are they allowed to come out?

• 25:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, what do you, whatever you think, like, they, they aren't on trial for, I don't know, assault, or, you know, being a sex offender stuff? I don't, like, I don't know, like, yeah, it's all messy and, but I guess I just don't understand, like, yeah, they can go to that. I didn't have a, I didn't think that was weird. I'm like, let's see him out.

• 26:20Rayna Greenberg?

  I said to you, like, before we even started talking about this, like, am I missing something?

• 26:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. I think- I'm sure people let us know in the comments, but I don't know. I mean, again, I think if the lawsuit was something really harmful-

• 26:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally.

• 26:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  -to, I, I don't know, women, children, like, whatever, but, yeah.

• 26:35Rayna Greenberg?

  And then I saw some other criticism about him, sort of like poking fun. So what happened was Tina Fey said, how's it been going? Ryan Reynolds stands up and says, why, what did you hear?

• 26:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 26:45Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought it was really funny. It really made me laugh. It was light, it, people were saying that he was making light of basically her, this case, which essentially, when you boil it down to it, is his wife saying, I was sexually harassed on this set, and still.

• 26:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, but it's, it's, it's SNL. We make light of everything. This is a comedy show.

• 27:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't, I mean, the whole show is, again, and sometimes I, I don't like the stuff that, over the years, that I think is so serious, that they've made fun of. They had Donald Trump host, you know, what, he wasn't there because he had to go to the Daytona 500, fucking little bitch ass riding around. I cannot with this fucking president. But, anyway, um, it just is like, it's SNL. I don't know, it's, it's, it's not that serious. I'm not saying what's happening isn't serious, but like, they ma, it's, the jokes are gonna be made.

• 27:31Rayna Greenberg?

  It just, it also wasn't a joke about the case, it was a joke about the attention on the case.

• 27:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, yes.

• 27:38Rayna Greenberg?

  It's the biggest thing in media and has been for months. There is no other stories bigger than this, and that's all it was. I thought it was like, funny, people were debating whether they know, they, they Blake Lively knew that he was gonna do that or not. I didn't think her reaction was that surprised, but you and the rest of the internet say that she did look surprised, and you think I watched the wrong thing.

• 27:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  I, yeah, so she absolutely did look surprised. But the question is whether she knew he was gonna do that, which I'm sure she did, and then she was acting, or if she really didn't know. I'm assuming that she did. But I have, and we can play this. Here's, well, here you go. Here's this.

• 28:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I have a question.

• 28:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, hi, Ryan Reynolds.

• 28:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Ryan Reynolds, how's it going?

• 28:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Great. Hi, what have you heard?

• 28:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, that, okay. So I guess I didn't see that exact, maybe I just wasn't looking at her face. She like whips her head up, just like, what the fuck are you doing? But she could just be, she's an actress. You know, whether you think she's a good one or not, she could be acting. I think she knew. I think it seemed like it would be weird to not tell your partner, I have like a line on SNL tonight. So you know who I have been gossiping about Blake and Justin with? Who? Is my new friend, who is Damian from Mean Girls.

• 28:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  So the actor is Daniel Franz Sacy, and I met him at a show the other night at The Comedy Store. To get to gossip with Damian. No, we're like in the DMs, like, I'm like, the fact that I'm gossiping about Blake Lively. The cast of Mean Girls? It's insane. The original cast. Yeah, so he walked into the green room the other night at the show, and we just got talking. He was so, so nice. Sparkle Eyes, my fiance was there, he loved him, and we just really had a fun conversation, and we took a little picture. I posted on my story, but he had a sticker of him like in the purple hoodie. Okay, was he carrying that around with him? I think he just has them, yeah. I love him. Well, so he tours all over, and he does a lot of colleges. Okay. And I was asking him, like, do you lean on the Mean Girls thing?

• 29:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Are people dying for you to mention it, you know? And he was like, yeah, it's on my whole set, but I mention it, you know? He's proud of it, that's how people know him. And anyway, he was just wonderful, and like, we both got talking about how we just can't get enough of this story. Like, we're locked in to Blake and Justin till March 2026 and beyond. Hope it never stops. Yeah, so now we're like in the DMs about it, like, this is a fun friendship. God, you're so lucky. Yeah.

• 30:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. I like texted you guys, I was like, guys, I'm in the green room. I'm so jealous. And then someone was like, you go, Glenn Coco. What, I mean, my favorite line from his is like, she doesn't even go here, obviously. But I sometimes forget about non-for-Gretchen Wieners.

• 30:18Rayna Greenberg?

  No, you really like, not you, the plural you, like, there was so many good one-liners back then. And we had less content, so we really cared more about one-liners in movies back then because there was a movie back in our day, like, probably once a year.

• 30:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I saw a meme once that was like, you guys don't understand. Like, we used to have to take, like, a quote from an Adam Sandler movie and that had to last us for, like, three years.

• 30:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Old school lasted.

• 30:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Old school still.

• 30:41Rayna Greenberg?

  I milked that for a decade.

• 30:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're still milking it.

• 30:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 30:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my gosh. So, yes, that's my new friend. And, yeah, I mean, it's just, I do think there's gonna be, obviously, less and less, like, lively and just in.

• 30:54Rayna Greenberg?

  They're amending the complaint.

• 30:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  What?

• 30:57Rayna Greenberg?

  She's amending her complaint, so there will be more news.

• 30:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  No.

• 31:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Yep.

• 31:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  What, like, like, backtracking?

• 31:03Rayna Greenberg?

  We're not sure yet. But the judge has given her, it might actually come down the pipe today. The judge gave her 48 hours to amend the complaint. So as we're recording it, we record two days before we drop the episodes. This is Tuesday. This'll come out Thursday. So we may get this news before the episode drops.

• 31:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my God. Please.

• 31:21Rayna Greenberg?

  But I do feel like, in the meantime, thank God, we have so much to entertain us. There is so much television on right now. I feel like this is the Super Bowl of television. Actually, the Super Bowl kicked off. Some really good television for me. I am thriving because Southern Charm is on right now, which I'm loving.

• 31:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 31:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Summer House premiered last week, which the second episode will be this week. Obviously, two episodes will come out.

• 31:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Strong premiere?

• 31:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 31:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're into it.

• 31:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Lindsay, three-hour, three-hour speech about being pregnant.

• 31:51Rayna Greenberg?

  She's like, I've been on the show for 100 years and I have to do a Summer House pregnant with all these 25-year-olds and I'm gonna take my time.

• 31:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  She, she gave the speech that they had a clock going, whether they were exaggerating or not. But she gave, like, a 20-minute speech, which is, like, an insane length of time. And the way she kicked it off was like, so my first summer here. And you're like, oh, my God, this is gonna be a seven-year, like, it's when, like, a best man or a maid of honor starts a speech.

• 32:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Some of you may not know me. That's what it was giving.

• 32:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. Like, if it's like, I've seen speeches where it's the brother is the best man and he starts with childhood.

• 32:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 32:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  And it's like, are we going chronological 30 years?

• 32:25Rayna Greenberg?

  That's how it felt, like a maid of honor speech. And she's like, when we met in kindergarten.

• 32:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was at a wedding once and the maid of honor gave a speech and she brought someone else up there to turn her pages.

• 32:35Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm gonna make somebody do that when I do your wedding.

• 32:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right up front back is all you get.

• 32:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Tessa has to do it.

• 32:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  If you can't have a page. Also, you're officiating.

• 32:43Rayna Greenberg?

  That's your speech. I'm gonna make her flip the pages.

• 32:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Tessa's in all my wedding photos.

• 32:51Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm gonna be like, next slide. Tessa runs it from the projector screen.

• 32:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, wait, should we do a PowerPoint?

• 32:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 32:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Honestly, like, as I'm planning this wedding, I'm like, let's fuck it up. Like, I told you, I was like, we gotta get a drum line.

• 33:04Rayna Greenberg?

  When you said drum line, I actually, no, no part of me thought you were kidding.

• 33:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're not kidding?

• 33:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm not kidding.

• 33:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  I didn't think you were kidding. Absolutely not. Ashley, Ashley E. will book them through BTE. 100% I'm having a drum line.

• 33:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Just casual at the reception and the strippers.

• 33:20Rayna Greenberg?

  That's for Tessa.

• 33:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, cuz like, when I have my wedding.

• 33:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Tessa loves a stripper.

• 33:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  We won't have, we won't have toured it so long.

• 33:29Rayna Greenberg?

  I know.

• 33:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, the cryo. Tessa, you gotta book the cryo.

• 33:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Tessa, will you run the cryo?

• 33:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Slide. So, yeah, Lindsay started with, I was dating Everett when we first came here, and I was like, we're starting with Everett.

• 33:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 33:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Everett from 100 seasons ago. And it's just, it's been like, it was a strong open. I loved it. I just, I like this cast. I cannot wait for the Sierra West showdown. I am just like, foaming at the mouth for it. I can't wait. I just, I'm really excited for the season. I love it.

• 34:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I'm excited for the season. And next, let's see, what should we do next? Um, White Lotus.

• 34:07Rayna Greenberg?

  So we both watched it on Monday.

• 34:10Rayna Greenberg?

  What were your thoughts? We've, we actually have not discussed this.

• 34:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so I am so into it.

• 34:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 34:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  And the show, I have to remember, it does always start a little slow. I mean, well, I guess it starts really hot with something crazy that like, spoiler alerts ahead, by the way. That shooting scene gave me a lot of anxiety. It's my biggest fear to be in any sort of shooting, active shooter situation, whatever. So that's how it kicks off. But then, it really is just kind of a slow burn to, as you get to know these characters. But I'm really obsessed with the three friends.

• 34:39Rayna Greenberg?

  That's my favorite.

• 34:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  And this one famous friend, and then it's just, I don't know, I like the dynamics there. And then.

• 34:46Rayna Greenberg?

  That's my favorite dynamic.

• 34:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, for sure. And then the family. Parker Posey with the southern accent is throwing me.

• 34:53Rayna Greenberg?

  She was, so she's doing alright, but. So I think there's supposed to be from South Carolina.

• 34:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  North Carolina, the whole Duke UNC thing.

• 35:00Rayna Greenberg?

  The accent is giving Dallas, it's, she sounds like my ex stepmom and I'm like feeling like triggered by her when she talks.

• 35:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, his, the dad's accent is pretty good. It's like a little, cause I mean, whatever. There are plenty of people who talk like that in the Carolinas, but it's, it is a little more subtle. No, I mean, again, it's really a spectrum. There's people with no accent that live in the Carolinas.

• 35:20Rayna Greenberg?

  And those people are like, what are you talking about? But they're different.

• 35:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, but the dad has that more subtle, he really is a good like North Carolina accent and hers is just, I don't know why they did that. I don't, I, I was surprised. Like, it's not flawless to me. And I love her as an actress. I don't know.

• 35:35Rayna Greenberg?

  I love the role, but it doesn't, it doesn't add anything to the role for me. It actually just makes her kind of hard to understand.

• 35:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's too mu, it's a little overdone.

• 35:45Rayna Greenberg?

  And the kids don't have that accent.

• 35:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 35:47Rayna Greenberg?

  So it was a little just, yeah, overdone for me. I, but I just, I love Parker Posey. I'm so excited to see her in any role. And so there's always like three dynamics in every season that they focus on. So this one is like the, the girl group and then the big family and then the couple.

• 36:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 36:01Rayna Greenberg?

  And I like what they've picked. I haven't decided, I, I don't care about this couple yet.

• 36:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, he, he gives me anxiety, but I want to go back to the family really quick. I want to say a couple of things. Patrick Schwarzen, Schwarzenegger.

• 36:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Schwarzenegger, yeah.

• 36:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Arnold's son. I saw the funniest comment that it was like a nepo baby playing a nepo baby. So he's the oldest son, Saxon. They always, it was like southern family names, whatever. I have, I have something to say. Ladies, I'm going to tell you right now. If you are watching this show with your man and he likes that character, break up with him. If he is watching.

• 36:35Rayna Greenberg?

  Who likes that character?

• 36:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  If you, if you, I'm just saying, if you're watching that show and your man is like, oh, he's, he's pretty cool. Or like, oh, he's the man. Break up with him.

• 36:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, it's Nick James's character. It's Jake Lacy's character. It's the Patrick Schwarzenegger. It's the same all three seasons. They, they do this character.

• 36:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's so worse to me. It feels so weirdly predatory, like.

• 36:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, cause he's talking about his sister being hot and he's jerking off in front of his brother.

• 37:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's what, what I'm saying, but they are kind of give, they're, I'm just, that's all I'm saying. And maybe there's no one out there, there's no man alive that would be like, oh, like that wouldn't be repulsed by him. But I'm, I feel like they're trying to make him kind of seem like this. Like, yeah, yeah.

• 37:15Rayna Greenberg?

  So I read that there was an incest storyline and I felt like anxious in my body, like preparing for it. Like, what's it gonna be? Cause I, you just don't see it that often.

• 37:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, to me, yes, of course, it's, it's really weird. I got whiplash when he said his sister was hot. I was like, did I just hear what I thought I heard? But that when he's in the pool and he's like, I'm so horny. It just, it's giving like really predatory, like this guy would like force himself on you. Like, I don't know if they're cuing him up to have any sort of like sexual assault. It's just, the energy is like really, really tough to watch. So I'm just like saying, ladies, like, listen, if your man doesn't see it, it's a red flag.

• 37:52Rayna Greenberg?

  That's crazy. And you're right. Of those three characters, he is clearly the best because Nick James in the last season of-

• 37:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Nick James? Theo James?

• 37:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Nick James is your friend. I meant Theo James. And by the way, I said, I said Nick James a few minutes ago.

• 38:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  I forgot about Jake Lacy.

• 38:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, I do think that they've taken this character and made it worse all three seasons.

• 38:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, they're ramping it up.

• 38:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Jake Lacy is like the least of the bad. And he's like, in the first season, he's just kind of a jerk. He's arrogant, he's a bunch of money, but like harmless.

• 38:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're right. They're just like, like up in the ante.

• 38:22Rayna Greenberg?

  And then the second season, Theo James fucking prostitutes.

• 38:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 38:25Rayna Greenberg?

  And now this guy's gonna fuck his brother.

• 38:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh my God. They both just want the brother, like the brothers, like the, I don't know. They want approval from their parents. They have these narcissistic parents, but then they also like want the brother to like them best. I don't know. But I know you feel the same way, but the theme song is an insult to the viewer.

• 38:40Rayna Greenberg?

  So I wouldn't, I, I feel like all, we all feel the same. We're all in the same, in America, the same bucket. I, I don't know what happened here because second season was like the greatest, like build up to like, do I hate this? This is weird. And then you're up out of your seat. There's so many memes and like gifs about it. I mean, it was so incredible. They changed the theme music from the first season to the second season.

• 39:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 39:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Two bangers. And then the third season, the art is also not as sexual. And I was like, all right, keep an open mind. They've clearly pivoted from Italian and French art to, to Thai and Asian type of art. Okay. But the beat never drops. There's no beat.

• 39:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Don't. This, it's not a theme song.

• 39:19Rayna Greenberg?

  What?

• 39:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is like an instrumental score with like a little bit of a crescendo. It's not memorable, it's not unique, you can't sing it. Like, this is not a theme song to me. Like, and I, if it's inspired from Thailand, like, I understand that, I can respect where the inspiration came from, but I thought we were gonna have a play on the previous two seasons. I think they should take a note from Walmart's rebrand, make it basically the same. Like, I don't understand this. Like, we would sing the other one, like,

• 39:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  up out of my seat, dancing. Play it at shows.

• 39:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Arms in the air, every single show.

• 39:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  We would, I mean, like, this is not a song.

• 39:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Why does it do this?

• 39:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't understand it. Have you read the comments? I was on the White Lotus's Instagram last night, it's all the comments, I'm like, why'd you guys do this to us?

• 40:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, do you think?

• 40:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  What's the point of this?

• 40:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Do you think next week they'll have a different theme song?

• 40:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  No.

• 40:06Rayna Greenberg?

  You think they're just gonna come back with the same dogshit theme song? What was the decision to do this?

• 40:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's what we deserve in 2025.

• 40:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, the, what is the other song, like, I'm from Tha- oh, made in Thailand? Like, that's better.

• 40:20Rayna Greenberg?

  That's way better.

• 40:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was singing that all night last night. It was in my head.

• 40:24Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know, I don't understand the decision to do this. I, I just thought, like, at some point the beat was gonna drop, it never did.

• 40:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Never.

• 40:30Rayna Greenberg?

  It's an insult, and it ruined the show for me, because I, it's a really long intro, and I was like, stick with it, Raina, look at the art, enjoy the music, surely something is gonna happen, no?

• 40:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  No one likes it, I've not seen one positive thing about it. It's giving like, the opposite of Nikki Glaser's Golden Globes hosting, where like, literally, everyone agreed it was amazing, not one, not one negative comment, I did not see one. I've not seen one positive comment.

• 40:56Rayna Greenberg?

  No, it's terrible.

• 40:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Everyone's insulted and hurt.

• 40:59Rayna Greenberg?

  I, I'm just, you know what, I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.

• 41:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yep.

• 41:02Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, it's just, it was something I look forward to every week. It's one of the very few shows I actually don't binge, I watch it every single week, can't wait for it to start, it's my Sunday tradition.

• 41:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  To your point, absolutely they don't have another one in the bank, but it's not too late to change it. They can do whatever they want. They can go back into the editing room and they can change this theme song, like, how amazing if they were, be like, we hear you. And we're gonna make a new song.

• 41:24Rayna Greenberg?

  You guys deserve better this year.

• 41:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like halfway through, they're like, you know what? We get it. It's a tough time. They just bring back last year's.

• 41:31Rayna Greenberg?

  I would love that.

• 41:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, God, what a good song.

• 41:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, well, I'm excited for the season. I I'm excited to watch these dynamics play out.

• 41:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Me too. Oh, my gosh, I couldn't love them anymore. So we will, we're not gonna, I mean, every week. Well, we'll see. We'll see how it goes. Okay, and then Love is Blind is back. Love is Blind is in Minneapolis, which we love Minneapolis. We knew it was gonna be there. This is season eight. Six episodes in the pods.

• 41:56Rayna Greenberg?

  When you told me that, I almost skipped the show. Like, I was so excited. I started the first episode. I watched it on Valentine's Day with Hannah. I was excited. I was like, okay, I can, I can get behind this. These girls all seem nice. And then you said there's six episodes in the pod. You know, you guys get upset when we don't say this. When I personally don't say this, a bunch of spoilers ahead. A lot. So skip this if you haven't seen it yet. But six episodes. Last season, my criticism was they got out of the pods rather quickly and did so many Meet the Family ones. I mean, there was like four episodes of Meet the Family and Friends, which I just thought was like overkill. They've never done this many episodes in the pods. I mean, it is so much overkill.

• 42:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, and like I have always said that that's my favorite part is in the pods, but it still felt like an appropriate length of time. Like, when I said that, which maybe other people echoed that sentiment, it didn't mean, give us two more episodes of it. Like, I was through with episode four. We had seen one proposal, one reveal. I'm like, what is actually happening? It is so slow.

• 42:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Typically, by, I think they usually release five episodes, not six, and you're through the honeymoons by then. You're halfway through the honeymoons. They usually get to that, um, everybody meets that first night and starts fighting.

• 43:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh.

• 43:06Rayna Greenberg?

  And then they cut it for the rest, and then they cut it.

• 43:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. So this is six episodes in the pod. Like, it's hard to even comprehend. A couple of things, I have a couple of notes. We do really like most of them. These are really nice people. These are some of our favorite people. While we tour, Minneapolis people, just like, you know, it's a great city and people are really kind and, um, you know, a very homogenous looking group. And I don't mean that in a bad way, but like.

• 43:30Rayna Greenberg?

  It's a bunch of blonde white girls. I mean.

• 43:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  And just brunette white dudes. Like, all the dudes ran together.

• 43:35Rayna Greenberg?

  It was really hard for me to tell these people apart this season.

• 43:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I have a couple of things to say. So the music has changed drastically. Uh, early days, you know, it was just like. Copyright free type music or, you know, made for TV type music. It's the hits. They're playing music, music. They're playing Billie Eilish, Birds of a Feather. It was up for a Grammy.

• 43:55Rayna Greenberg?

  I think that's the money in that budget.

• 43:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Two weeks ago. Yeah, the budget has increased drastically on the music. I don't know if you guys ever noticed, it's like real music.

• 44:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, apartments have been getting nicer every season. So now they music.

• 44:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  The food spreads.

• 44:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Right now, I want to talk to you about the food spreads.

• 44:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  This picture. What is that photo? These, is that sushi?

• 44:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Sushi was sake.

• 44:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then this one, this was my personal favorite. This breakfast, okay, so this spread has pancakes, eggs, looks like lemon meringue pie, looks like pickles, and looks like cheese.

• 44:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, you know what I've never seen? I, I know this exact, so, okay, so there's a lot of scenes, there's quite a few, there's three or four, where people sort of, there's a meal, there's a spread, and then they break up in the pods. And all of these people are like, I can't eat this right now. And they have to carry the trays of food down the hall. It's so awkward watching them. And I, and, and the moment I was like, this is so awkward. But then I was like, maybe it is just nice that they're not like, cast and crew, you clean my shit up. But like, it's funny to watch these cast members walk down the hall with TV trays.

• 44:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  I couldn't agree more. I hate also the thought of like wasting that food. Like, I just, I feel like, I don't, I want to know what happens to all the food that doesn't get eaten. Like, do cast and crew eat it? Like, it can't just all go to waste. It like really bothers me.

• 45:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Sure they do.

• 45:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I, I was surprised, like, are they told, like, clean up after yourself? Or are they just like, I'm gonna want that later? Like, they really, they could probably leave the tray in the room. Like, production would grab it, but they're like, no, I'm gonna walk down my blanket over me with this TV tray.

• 45:25Rayna Greenberg?

  They keep having to like get broken up with and then carry this TV tray with them back to the room. And it's so awkward to watch. And you've never seen it, but also like, there's like Minneapolis nice. And people always say that like people are so nice there.

• 45:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Minnesota nice.

• 45:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Maybe, oh, so maybe that's what it is.

• 45:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 45:41Rayna Greenberg?

  This season, I will say, a little slow for me, and this is my, this is my favorite dating show of all time.

• 45:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Still loving it.

• 45:47Rayna Greenberg?

  But I skipped from. The middle of episode two to the beginning of episode five, and I did not miss a beat.

• 45:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 45:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Every storyline just picked right back up. I don't know. I don't know what happened in episodes three and four and half of two, but nothing of substance. So you guys could skip that too.

• 46:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 46:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, this is the season where I've seen the most people be in like love triangles and find connections and a lot of people go home without that person.

• 46:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 46:15Rayna Greenberg?

  I have not seen that. And I was wondering what you thought, like, do you think these people are just a little more willing to be like, I'll just damn them when I get out of here. I don't have to go through this whole thing.

• 46:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, I don't know. Cause I'm like, yeah, you could just find them when you get out, but you also, why don't you, don't you want to take the vacation?

• 46:33Rayna Greenberg?

  I guess, but like, do I want to take the vacation with a camera crew? No.

• 46:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, that's true. Like, right. I mean, I guess it's a matter of, are you enjoying this experience and like being on camera? Is it overwhelming to you? Or are you having anxiety? Like, I can see that.

• 46:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, it sounds fun to like go on this trip with somebody and have this like sexy vacation and they're all like fucking in the hot tubs, but there's a crew of five people in the room with you while you're doing that.

• 46:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, that's true. That's true. So I want to chat like about one thing, like me, I guess the main drama that it really ends on in episode six, and that is that Taylor and Daniel, who's the short guy, who that's his whole storyline. He's insecure about being short. I think he's a cutie. I really like him. I've been rooting for him.

• 47:12Rayna Greenberg?

  We don't know now.

• 47:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  So she's basically has an inkling he followed her on Instagram, which is weird because they brought this up already in the pods. You probably missed this, but they talked about Instagram. She dropped her handle in the episode and I went and looked her up. Like I, she's not a super influencer. She's maybe like a micro influencer. I mean, she has more followers now, but I think when I looked her up, she had under like 10,000 or something.

• 47:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 47:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then the next day it was like 15 or something. This is a developing story, but she's basically saying like, I saw this follow request come in what months prior. And so when she went to follow him, when they got out of the pods, a picture looked familiar to her and she was like, oh, he followed me before. And then she's in her head, like he's known everything about me. He's known that I like Taco Bell and Christmas and I'm a nurse.

• 47:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Gamed the system.

• 47:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, I gotta ask you this. Okay, I think there is a wide spectrum. One side of it being like, he found her on Instagram. He somehow figured out how to get on Love is Blind with her. And he's known everything about her. And he's used that to manipulate her to fall for him. What? How could he do that? The other side is, they have mutual friends. He thought she was hot. He followed her. He didn't commit her details to memory. And he doesn't even really remember it. And the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. But I guess my gut feeling is not that he like, remembered all the stuff about her and is what used it in the pod.

• 48:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, do you, does she think, what do you think? I think I'm having trouble, like, she's so upset. And I'm like, why is she? And I'm not invalidating it, but I'm like, is it just because of the way the experiment's supposed to go? I don't think he memorized all that info about her and like, used it in the pod.

• 48:58Rayna Greenberg?

  So my take on this was that actually, you know, Minneapolis, it's a smaller city. A lot of people know each other. They're all out in the scene. I think that he probably, that people that applied for the show probably heard that other friends of theirs or friends of friends had applied for the show.

• 49:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  You think?

• 49:13Rayna Greenberg?

  So my theory is that somebody that he knew said, this girl I know, applied for the show. And he looked her up and followed her and was just like, that girl's hot. That's, she's so beautiful. Who wouldn't be like, let me get in there? And I don't know, maybe looked at her stuff and then was just like, oh shit, this might be weird if we both get casted and unfollowed her. And like, it's not deeper than that. I don't think that he had some like, crazy string whiteboard where he's like, Christmas Taco Bell, Jesus, all this stuff.

• 49:43Rayna Greenberg?

  I think that, I don't think it's like Beautiful Mind. So I think that this, that's my theory. Not that he stalked her, found a way onto the show, gained the system. I think that maybe he had followed her and maybe when they were in the pods, maybe he was like, oh, I kind of do know who this is.

• 50:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. So if he, but then he, then he blatantly lied. Cause, and I don't know why that came up. Maybe they just showed it because obviously it's going to come up later. Maybe other people talked about their Instagrams and they didn't show it because it wasn't relevant to the storyline. But like, that's the only time I've ever seen. I think she said like, oh, do you follow me? And he was like, no, I think I'd remember that. Like, so maybe she's like, did he blatantly lie?

• 50:21Rayna Greenberg?

  So that's another one of those things. We're gonna, we have an episode coming up about like, white lies. And sometimes you just get asked something in the moment and you're like, I want to appear to be a certain way. And it's not so insidious, but he's just like, if I say yes right now, I am off this show.

• 50:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  I blow this up?

• 50:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Blow it up. I'm off the show. Like, maybe he's just like, this is a tiny little white lie and we're gonna get out of here. And I'm gonna be like, hey, John is mutual friends of ours and like, he told me you were gonna be on the show and I thought you were like hot. Like, I just, I think it's not as insidious, but I, I respect her right to.

• 50:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 50:50Rayna Greenberg?

  She was tremendously uncomfortable. She seemed extremely, like she felt like she felt unsafe.

• 50:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. And I, I mean, listen, I hope they work it out. I like them a lot. I'm rooting for them. And again, this, we're not picking sides. I just, I don't think it's as bad as she might think it is, but it could be. But yes, to your point, I think she's like, oh my God, like, he's been playing me this whole time. Or he's been manipulating me this whole time, which, I don't know, isn't it kind of flattering? He like, came and he knew what he wanted. But I, I just, I do think it's like somewhere in the middle. And he was like, I don't know what to do here.

• 51:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. And I do think he talks a lot about being short and being 5'8" and like, I think it's hard to be a shorter man. I think you don't get matches on dating apps. I think women don't approach you at bars. I mean, I think it really fucks you up psychologically a little bit to be on the shorter end of being a man. And your whole life feeling like people want somebody with a different physical body type. And you're on this show and you're like, I saw this girl on Instagram. It's the prettiest girl I've ever seen and I'd like her to like me. And so maybe I'll use little details like liking Christmas and Taco Bell to make me like her back.

• 51:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. And like.

• 51:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Make her like me back.

• 51:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Does it change the feelings they have for each other? I mean, that's for her to decide. You know, if it could be something she can't get past and that's her right too.

• 51:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. If she's a hard pass on this and she's like, there's enough things to worry about in the world without thinking this person on this dating show is stalking me, then good for her. She could be off the show. She's not in the previews. So.

• 52:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. I thought, I, I noticed that too.

• 52:10Rayna Greenberg?

  So I don't, I don't know if they purposely left them out or if they, she just left the show.

• 52:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Or, you know, there is a world in which, I'm not saying just her, and I'm not saying anything the way he looks. If, with any couple, if someone wanted an out, they could take it here. You know, so it doesn't matter what it is, but if you have felt like, oh, upon meeting them or seeing them or being in their presence, I don't want to go forward with this, you have an excuse.

• 52:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 52:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  And that would also, again, if it wasn't anything insidious and then she, she used that as an excuse, that would be, that would suck for him, but we'll see.

• 52:45Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, let me ask you a final, final question about this dynamic. She is saying to him, I saw this photo. It's very clear. You're sitting down, you're in front of a Christmas tree, your legs are crossed, you're holding a drink. And he's like, trying to kind of backpedal. He's like, I don't know what photo you're talking about. Like, I'm in front of a fireplace in some photos. Do you think he's lying?

• 53:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  I cannot tell. That whole dynamic is very weird. She is like interrogating him in the photo. He's being, you know, he's trying to bring up random details, but like, she committed that photo to memory. That's all very weird. It's also like, something's not sitting right with me. Like, she got a random follow request. She committed this photo to memory.

• 53:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Uh huh.

• 53:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, did someone else tip her off? Did the producers start this? Would she, did

• 53:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Right.

• 53:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Did they start this whole drama? And now they're like, say you remember the photo in front of the Christmas tree. Like, I don't know.

• 53:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Well, he, his reaction is not, I can't, I can't sniff out the lie. Cause I think if you're clearly not lying, you're like, I don't know what to tell you. I feel upset that you feel like this, but like, that's, that's not a photo on my feed. He doesn't feel like he's protesting too much, but he doesn't feel like he's chill about it either. He seems scared like he's been caught.

• 53:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, but probably like, it's not what you think it is kind of vibe. You know, I think that there is a photo that exists that he knows and she knows, and they're talking about the same photo.

• 54:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 54:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's what I think.

• 54:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 54:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, we'll see.

• 54:08Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm excited to see it play out. I, I was surprised that so many people made it almost to the finish line and all left. Um, there were quite a few people that had two really solid matches and all walked away.

• 54:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 54:18Rayna Greenberg?

  So I'm interested to see. I thought we were gonna have a ton of couples, but I think we have four couples that will go on this trip now.

• 54:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Five.

• 54:26Rayna Greenberg?

  If she goes.

• 54:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, if, yeah, if they go.

• 54:28Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. So I am excited to get into the season now.

• 54:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 54:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Now that we have six episodes.

• 54:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh my God. Yes, we're excited for it. I'm gonna do my doppelgangers next week. We're out of time.

• 54:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 54:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Um, no, I mean, maybe I'll come up with another one, but I've been working on them. You guys know I have a talent for naming who people on Love is Blind look like. And so I'll do it next week. So stay tuned.

• 54:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 54:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  All right.

• 54:49Rayna Greenberg?

  And that's it.

• 54:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 54:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  All right, girlsgottaeat.com. You can find us there. We are Girls Gotta Eat Podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess. I'm going on tour. AshHess.com for tickets. Raina is Rayna Greenberg. Subscribe on YouTube. Share this episode with a friend and we will see you Monday. Have a good weekend, guys. Bye.