The Snack: Off Campus, Summer House Reunion, and the LA Mayor Race

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we’re talking about: Rayna’s misleading extensions and Ashley’s parted slickback Hooters wants to rebrand as “family friendly” Tr*mp skips his son’s wedding Taylor and Travis at the Knicks-Cavs game (and that beer chug) Our review of Off Campus Summer House reunion recap Headlines: Jessi Draper and Marciano on the carpet, Shein buys Everlane, the LA mayoral race Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: Better Help: Get 10% off at https://betterhelp.com/gge. Every Year After: Watch Every Year After, streaming June 10 only on Prime Video. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  This week on the snack, off campus, the Summer House reunion and the New York Knicks.

• 0:06Rayna Greenberg?

  This is a Dear Media production.

• 0:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Enjoy.

• 0:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi guys.

• 0:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hello.

• 0:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Big TV week.

• 0:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Here we are. Across the country. Do you like my parted slick back?

• 0:22Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm very jealous. I can't do it with hair extensions. I'm very jealous. I love the look so much.

• 0:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm like not gassing myself up. I wanted to ask you, have you seen the term partless slick back?

• 0:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Also known as ponytail?

• 0:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  A ponytail. I cannot with these rebranding. I guess Kylie Jenner is like at the helm of this, but I've been seeing this. Do you like my partless slick back? Partless slick back. That's a ponytail.

• 0:51Rayna Greenberg?

  So my hairdresser, Mary Kate, she does a lot of interviews for like Glamour and Cosmo about like hair trends every year. And she was saying to me like every year they asked me like, what are the trends for winter? And she's like, people go darker in the winter. That's the trend. And she's like, but every year I'm tasked with having to like come up with a new name for it.

• 1:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  A new name.

• 1:09Rayna Greenberg?

  She's like smokey brown. Like she's like, I don't know what else to say about this. And it's like, partless slick back is hysterical.

• 1:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Partless slick back is insane. I mean, I'm here for this. This is entertaining to me. I think years ago, we talked about the liquid brunette or some stupid rebrand and all the comments were like, that's brown. That's brunette.

• 1:28Rayna Greenberg?

  Exactly.

• 1:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  You guys get out of here with this.

• 1:30Rayna Greenberg?

  They just need to find new ways to market to people. I'm so jealous. You can do that. I just can't. If I put a bunch of oil in my hair and slicked it, you'd see all the hair extensions. So jealous.

• 1:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. I feel like people don't.

• 1:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Still don't get it.

• 1:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Know you have hair extensions. I think people think you cut off your hair, but guys, she still has, I mean, just for the sake of transparency.

• 1:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, we will also discuss this on Monday even but um yeah, so basically I cut. Yeah, I chopped the existing extensions, but I still have the same extensions in. I just cut them short and I'm getting them replaced on Saturday and I'm gonna put more extensions in. I need volume. I have no hair.

• 2:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, I think this is a big reveal. I think she cut her hair. She cut her extensions off. That's her hair.

• 2:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Listen, the word extension is misleading. It's like fingering. Like, okay, people think like fingering. I grew up thinking like that was the only way to have an orgasm and clearly it's not. I mean, no one has an orgasm from getting physically just jammed into. Extensions imply you are extending something. I'm not. I'm volumizing.

• 2:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Volumizing. These are your volumizers.

• 2:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 2:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  You need to borrow some of Taylor Swift's bangs. I mean, people were mad. We talked about her bangs last week.

• 2:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Travis Kelce's girlfriend?

• 2:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Travis Kelce's girlfriend. We'll get to it. But at the end of the day, I wish I could have a bang that thick. If I had Taylor Swift's bangs, whether they're clip-on or not, that would be my, all my hair. If I had a bang that thick, that would be my whole head. So I'm just jealous.

• 2:58Rayna Greenberg?

  People are gonna get mad about everything. People have been, I'm not gonna get into it, but people have been getting, being really sensitive about stuff on the internet lately and it's fine. You could be mad about, you have a right to be mad about whatever you wanna be mad about. You don't have a right to expect anybody to do anything about it. And it's okay. You could not like that we're talking about her bangs.

• 3:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  But yeah.

• 3:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  And she's beautiful and we are gonna ride for her in this episode. Okay, let's just thank our partners and then we will get into it.

• 3:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, thank you to BetterHelp. Get 10% off at betterhelp.com/gge.

• 3:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  And thank you to Every Year After. Watch Every Year After streaming June 10th only on Prime Video. Okay, so we are gonna kick it off with a family report. Lots of family news. Lots of family values, family friendly news this week. Do you wanna kick it off?

• 3:48Rayna Greenberg?

  So, yeah, Hooters has decided to rebrand as being family friendly and they said that they never switched from just being a neighborhood place, a beachside restaurant, a place of whimsy. Um, now they're rebranding. They, it's called Hooters, you guys. It's called Tits. You named your restaurant Tits.

• 4:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's literally a word for tits. Call it tutors if you want, or make it all about owls. Turn this into a rainforest cafe. Do anything, but you can't, you can't call it titties and then be like, we're family friendly. Also, by the beach, the Hooters we would go to in Delaware for like special occasions, our friends turning 18 for one, was like off Route 13. It was off the highway and not the greatest part of town. Since when is it beachside?

• 4:39Rayna Greenberg?

  It's not mainstream. They, they put those places in strip malls so you don't see people walk in there.

• 4:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  So yes, the quote, the fast food chain, this is from the article, the fast food chain known for its waitresses or Hooters girls who serve food dressed in revealing outfits is working to establish its brand as a neighborhood place. CEO Neil Kiefer told people, Kiefer defined Hooters as a beach themed place centered around the Hooters girls, good food and being an easy place to relax. Okay, beach themed, I get it. That's like a Margaritaville. I can support a beach theme, but it's not giving beach themed to me. It's giving flyover state vibes. It's beach themed. It's just like a, it's like calling Fridays beach themed. I mean, it's just not. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay. Just relax on the Fridays slander. Do you think Fridays is beach themed? Fridays signifies a good time.

• 5:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, I'm saying it's not beach themed. It's like calling Chili's American themed. It's just not. I think they're trying to pull off a Margaritaville or I've seen your frogs. That's what they're trying to do. You can't call it Hooters. I think call it tutors. Like I said, just one letter change. Tutors means to fart. So in my day, tutors were the test tube shots that we would carry around when we cocked a waitress when I was the rusty rudder. The worst cocked waitress they've ever seen. We would carry around, they were called tutor racks. There's different words. I'm just saying you can't name it after tits and say you're family friendly. That's, we have to start there. They're like, you guys don't get it. You're actually stupid. We called this knockers and you guys were actually dumb.

• 6:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I think women and children should come here. We called this knockers.

• 6:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  I support knockers. Like, why? It's because you knock on the door to get in.

• 6:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Even Nipples would be more like gender inclusive than Hooters. Like.

• 6:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Nips is kind of fun. I like Nips.

• 6:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I love it.

• 6:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  And everything's served in mini bottles.

• 6:35Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. Good luck to them. I don't really see that happening. Honestly, every other chain on earth is more family friendly than Hooters. I can't think of one chain on earth, even BJ's. Even, what's that one where? What's that one where they're mean to you? It's called like Rusty Dicks or something?

• 6:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's all Krabby Dicks. Krabby Dicks? That's so funny. Krabby Dicks is more family friendly than Hooters. And that's fine, you know?

• 7:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought it was Rusty Dicks, which sounds crazy.

• 7:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're gonna die. Krabby, Krabby Dicks. So Krabby Dicks is only in Delaware, but it says at the top of it, Krabby Dicks has been voted number one family friendly restaurant in Delaware.

• 7:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  World famous.

• 7:30Rayna Greenberg?

  You called it Herzog Krabby. It sounds like an STD, dicks. You named it after the male genitalia. And everything in Delaware is number one. Of course, it's the number one family friendly restaurant.

• 7:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, where are they mean to you? Okay, sorry. It says Dick's Last Resort. This is a premier chain designed for intentionally rude service insults. Las Vegas, Orlando, New Orleans, Gatlinburg, and Myrtle Beach. Those all track. Dick's Last Resort, yes, putting the F you in fun. And they are mean to you. I, I love this. Honestly, sometimes, I mean, honestly, you could also just go to a Zara in New York City.

• 8:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Actually, that's what I was gonna interrupt you. It's the direct pipeline from Krabby Dicks directly into Zara. It is an immediate pipeline. This is what you do in high school and college and the adults from those places go to Zara.

• 8:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 8:21Rayna Greenberg?

  I was gonna let you finish your sentence.

• 8:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  I, no, I want to walk back Krabby Dicks in Delaware. It's not, they're not mean to you. As far as I know, it's a family friendly, number one rated. So Dick's Last Resort is where you guys need to go if you want to be abused by the staff.

• 8:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, okay. So good luck Hooters to your rebrand to Nipples. You can feel free to take that or knockers or fun bags or whatever you want to call them.

• 8:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so next in the family report, Donald Trump skips his own son's wedding. Which one?

• 8:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Don Jr.

• 8:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Butt head of Beavis and Butthead?

• 8:58Rayna Greenberg?

  He got married to Bettina in the Bahamas and Donald Trump was asked, will you be going to your son's wedding? Who would even think to ask a father if they were going to their son's wedding? Honestly, I mean, the things that Donald Trump is willing to do, I mean, this seems pretty low on the list. I mean, and his responses went as follows. He would like me to go, I'm going to try, this is not good timing for me, I have a thing called Iran and other things. He really thought he ate down with that. He thought that people were gonna be like, what a king.

• 9:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Then he said, I've known him for a long time. So it's, he obviously fumbles his words and I guess you could say he may be talking about the wife or the fiance at the time, like Bettina, but the way he says it isn't, he's known his son for a long time. It was totally insane. I mean, he doesn't know what he's saying. He's completely incoherent, he's sundown at all times, he hates his son, he hates his family, he hates himself, like, obviously he's not going. And I saw a theory that he can't get into the Bahamas because he's a felon, and I think that's been disproved, but that was my favorite theory, that the Bahamas won't let in a convicted felon, which is him, who is the president of the United States. But I don't think that's accurate, but I'm gonna run with it, that he actually couldn't get in. He couldn't get into his son's wedding.

• 10:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  And maybe his son actually had it at the Bahamas because he couldn't get in. But I don't think that's true, so.

• 10:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, that, no, no, that's the, that's the truth. I'm sure that's the truth. Um, also, his next words, insane, if I do attend, I get killed. That's an insane thing to say in tandem with the war that you started against, you know, everybody's will. Um, and if I don't attend, I get killed by the fake news. I mean... This is the thing you decided to like stand on business about? He was like, you don't know ball, I gotta stay at the White House and do Iran.

• 10:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, there was some stuff going down, I guess. They like JD Vance came in and I don't know. I mean, whatever, the everything, it's the apocalypse every day. So who knows what's going on, but.

• 10:55Rayna Greenberg?

  It's just, I'm saying, it's so crazy. I mean, he doesn't care. He could handle that from the parking lot of a Wendy's for all he cares. Like, he could have just handled it from the Bahamas. This, this, he's like, I am gonna do the right thing for the American people now. And ignore my children who I don't care about anyways.

• 11:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Again, it's like, if he wasn't the president, this would be hilarious. I mean, when you read the transcript of anybody talking about attending their child's wedding and the language used, you're like, this is an insane response.

• 11:24Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, you and I talk about this all the time. If this wasn't the president, this would be the funniest person alive. I've been laughing all morning about this. Like, I've known him for a long time, your son.

• 11:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  For a long time. He's like, I wish I didn't, but unfortunately, that's my son. Can you imagine marrying one of those brothers? Oh, my God. Oh.

• 11:44Rayna Greenberg?

  So disgusting.

• 11:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, speaking of his family and on a more serious, just maddening note. The IRS is dropping audits of Trump and his family.

• 11:57Rayna Greenberg?

  When you say dropping, you mean like letting go of it?

• 12:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  They can't audit him. So I'll explain. The Justice Department has granted President Trump, his family and businesses immunity from ongoing inquiries into their taxes. A potentially lucrative arrangement that could shield the president from significant financial liability. So he was suing the IRS. And in this settlement deal, which also created the 1.8 billion dollar slush fund that he was gonna use for the insurrections of January 6th, among other things, his allies. He also stuck in this provision that it said the government would be forever barred and precluded from prosecuting and pursuing pending tax claims against Mr. Trump, his family members and businesses. Which is just absolutely illegal. I mean, this is everything, our government, our.

• 12:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  is supposed to stand for, we should all be protesting this, like every single person in Congress knows that this is wrong. I mean, these spineless Republicans who would just allow this to happen, they know it's wrong. And this just goes to show how much of our legal system this man has eroded over the past decade to even allow this to happen. I mean, this is insane, like you can get audited, I can get audited, your friends, your family, anyone can get audited except the president and his family. That should enrage anyone, and if it doesn't, you're you're just completely unintelligent, or you're in a cult, or or both. I mean, this is unbelievable. He's like robbing the country in so many ways. He's stealing your tax dollars for his personal gain, for his family and his friends on so many different levels.

• 13:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, everyone should be outraged. Like, we pay so much money in taxes. Like, this basically says they don't have to pay their taxes, because if they can't get audited, then there's they're not able to be held accountable.

• 13:42Rayna Greenberg?

  And it's like, why, well, why should I have to pay taxes?

• 13:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Exactly.

• 13:45Rayna Greenberg?

  I have significantly less money and significantly less investments, and I have a more vested interest in. It would materially help me to not pay taxes. Why do I have to do this? I didn't even vote for this person. It should enrage you.

• 13:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it should enrage everybody. Why do you have to pay your taxes? You could get audited for the smallest infraction, but the president and it's all his family and all of his just scammy businesses. The people that owe so much money. I mean, he owes so much money already. And they're like, oh, can't investigate it.

• 14:19Rayna Greenberg?

  He promised he was gonna do all this, so.

• 14:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Uh, yeah, I mean, he's been doing this his whole career. He's just, I can't believe what our country and our Congress is allowing to happen. Obviously, there's people speaking out about this, and I think they are dismantling that that slush fund. I don't know, like, the current status of it, but this is just unbelievable, totally illegal, and it's just so unfair. Like, the our tax rules and enforcement framework has to apply to everybody, the president's not a exclusion. Like, I don't even have the words for this.

• 14:50Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, it's just important, Ashley and I, we want to joke around about this stuff. It is important to make jokes and this is a fun show, but also to not lighten it up to the point that we forget what's actually happening. And so, you know, we always want to see both sides of the coin here.

• 15:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, where's the law and order crowd on this? This man is robbing the country blind.

• 15:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, well, let's talk about the New York Knicks.

• 15:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know what's so funny right now? Like, I forget they're called the Knickerbockers. And like Bobby Westside wrote something about the Bockers, or the way he said it, I was like, that's very funny.

• 15:23Rayna Greenberg?

  I forget too.

• 15:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Every person says the Knicks, obviously, but the New York, the Knickerbockers really makes me laugh.

• 15:31Rayna Greenberg?

  What is a Knickerbocker? Do you know?

• 15:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Isn't it a pant?

• 15:35Rayna Greenberg?

  A pant? Like pantalones? They named a team after pants?

• 15:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  The Knickerbockers, yeah, traces back to the style of pants worn by original Dutch settlers in the 1600s. It became a nickname for New Yorkers in general.

• 15:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Got it, okay.

• 15:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  The team was founded in 1946 and is one of the only two original NBA franchises alongside the Celtics still remaining in its original city. Interesting, okay. So, the Knicks won semifinals, they are going to the finals. They will play the San Antonio Spurs or the Oklahoma City Thunder, and we may not know until Saturday, which is game seven, who they will play. So, by the time this airs, we won't know, but the Knicks are going to be in the finals. And it just, it really looked like New York was electric. You are there now.

• 16:20Rayna Greenberg?

  It's so fun here. It's like so fun. And like, the bars have been so fun, and it's just been like, you know, anytime, you know, your city's doing well. And I'm not, not a basketball fan, but I didn't grow up with basketball. Pittsburgh doesn't have a basketball team, and I went to Indiana University, which is a real basketball school, but Bobby Knight was gone by the time I got there. And so, I just, basketball's not like in my wheelhouse, really, but it is fun to just be around. And I am enjoying all the content coming out about the, which celebrities are sitting courtside. And I love just watching like Timo and Kylie just like sway sway and be cute. Oh, it's not for you, you don't like it.

• 16:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  I just don't like, I don't know. I don't feel the same way about them that I used to.

• 17:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Really?

• 17:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  He has given me the ick a little bit. I just in general, I just feel like I, I don't know. I don't think of him the same way. I don't, it wasn't, I don't know how to describe it. He just kind of, he's just this like cocky bro to me now.

• 17:14Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, she's the magic for me. No, I don't care about him. Like she is the magic for me. Like watching her look so happy and be so cute and silly courtside and like you could sub in anybody. It's just cute to me.

• 17:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're still cute. I just don't like, he kind of will, he just, he icks me a little bit, but you know, I'm happy, happy for them. Uh, so yes, a lot of, a lot of celebs were courtside and then Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift went to game four in Cleveland.

• 17:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. So as this, as they're like courtside of the Cavs game, my whole feed is this, and then you start hearing like the ESPN announcers talk about how Travis Kelsey is at the game and they are refusing to say Taylor Swift's name. And the first time it really caught me off guard. So Mike Breen is one of the announcers and he has Travis Kelsey and his fiance are at the game. And I just was like, wait, what? And then the next announcer, Richard Jefferson jumps in as Travis Kelsey and his girlfriend are in the building. That's always great to see. And it is so, I mean, it was clearly on purpose. It's very strange to me. Like this guy thought he was gonna like insult Taylor Swift, eat down with that. Like it's so ridiculous. The, it's, it's like saying Jay-Z and his wife.

• 18:27Rayna Greenberg?

  It's so ridiculous. And this was meant as a dig to her and a slight. And you guys look so stupid doing this. Like you think you're gonna insult Taylor Swift this way by reducing her to this? And by the way, she doesn't care. She knows exactly who she is. And she's like, you wanna call me this man's girlfriend, this guy, you won't say my name. Like, don't you find that so insane?

• 18:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  I do. I think it's so lame because it comes across misogynistic. I do like calling Travis Kelsey, Taylor Swift's fiance though.

• 18:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, of course.

• 19:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  From the other end.

• 19:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Down on men.

• 19:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Exactly, exactly. So I just want to clear that up. But yeah, it's it's just purposeful to like make a dig at a woman. No, it's gross.

• 19:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Also, he is her fiance. He's not the most famous athlete alive. She is actually the most famous musician alive.

• 19:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, in but in a sports setting, he is more famous.

• 19:21Rayna Greenberg?

  He's the athlete.

• 19:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's why they went that route. You know what I mean? He he's the athlete in the room. It doesn't matter. It was still just like, what's the point of this?

• 19:29Rayna Greenberg?

  So I want you to talk about the next thing and I'll so she really showed up to support him as his girlfriend. I mean, she was giving girlfriend fiance energy in a way that like she's just looks like one just one of the girls.

• 19:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So some people might know, some people may not, that the Kelseys are from Cleveland. So I think people just associate them with Kansas City or Philly. They're from Cleveland. They grew up not too far from the basketball stadium, Cavs fans, at least Travis's. So this is like a hometown game for him. And he's excited. So the cameras come on them and he stands up and chugs a beer in an interesting way. He pours it into his mouth. He doesn't put his mouth on the lip of the can. He just chugs this beer. Taylor's sitting there like, oh, my God. But I will say she's like, playfully embarrassed. She's like, I didn't think she seemed embarrassed.

• 20:25Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought she was like, that's my guy.

• 20:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's what I'm saying. She's like, that's my man. But she kind of, you know, has her head down. Like, I saw these headlines of like, he did this horrific thing and she was so embarrassed. And I mean, it brought me right back to when the Chiefs won the Super Bowl and he in his speech after did the like, viva Las Vegas. And remember, he what he did it like too many times. And I was like, cringing. And I do think she looked a little embarrassed then. But this is just who he is. Like, I am not attracted to this at all. This is not for me. But that doesn't matter. He's a Kelsey brother. They're gonna chug some beer and pound their chest and act like a frat bro. And they're also gonna respect women. So let him cook. If this is what he wants to

• 21:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's having fun. They're having fun. You know, like if you're having fun, I support it. Like if he's gonna do that cringey bro stuff, it's just like, who cares? I don't know. We're being entertained. We're talking about it. She's gonna do her like playful embarrass, but they're in love and they just love to party. Taylor Swift always has a drink in hand, sloshing around, dancing in the front row at any award show. Like, I like to see them having fun. And like, what I don't like is like, kind of the energy we saw from Amanda and West, which he was standing up at some sporting event yelling and screaming and being all bro-y. Again, not for me. And she looked very embarrassed, pulling him down. You know, it wasn't like,

• 21:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  that's my man, kind of, energy. And so, I don't know. I just think let him cook.

• 21:56Rayna Greenberg?

  That's why I love them as a couple. I mean, this is the most famous musician alive, and she's like, my man is standing up there chugging a beer like a frat bro. And I don't care. It's not that deep. Like, if he's having fun, he's excited, he's at his courtside game, like, let him cook. Like, I love them as a couple, because they're just not gonna be embarrassed about this. And she could take herself as seriously as she would like to. She could say, I'm the biggest, baddest, most important person, and I can't be associated with this type of behavior. But she's just like, look at him go, he's having fun. That's why I like them as a couple. It just makes me laugh. And, yeah, it would embarrass me if my man was just standing there pouring a beer in his mouth. But like, I don't know, if my man was Travis Kelsey also,

• 22:36Rayna Greenberg?

  I'd be like, whatever he wants to do. It's fine. Like, he's just like, look at my girl. She does corny stuff, too. He loves it. He loves everything she does, and the way she is, and they publicly support themselves. And he could also be like, I'm an athlete, I take myself so seriously. They're just, they're fun to watch, man. When I was watching her watch him chug a beer, I was like, this just looks like, like a college couple, just courtside having fun.

• 23:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, there's like this part of me that is like, wants to crawl into the floor. And there's this part of me that's like, I love to chug a beer. I used to chug a beer for attention. Like, we used to, any, any beer chugging contest, we would send my brother up to. I mean, Matt just can one, one gulp. It's pretty insane to see. Like, if that's your town- You should show it off. That used to be my talent. I would grab a beer funnel, just laying around at a party and hold it up myself and fucking chug a beer. It's like if you have that skill set, just show it off on national TV during game four playoffs, why not?

• 23:34Rayna Greenberg?

  I can really open my throat up, man. I can like really take down a beer, mostly like a beer bong though, like just straight out of a can harder. If I'm sucking out of a tube though, I could really open that throat up.

• 23:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  I can't do it anymore and I will admit that. Remember we tried to do it in Chicago at that eats con show years ago and it'd been so long since I'd been challenged to chug a beer and I just

• 23:56Rayna Greenberg?

  You were blindsided. No.

• 23:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  And the very first time, I remember it was summer in 99 and I saw we're gonna be a junior. We were at these senior girls' house in Dewey. They had a house like after they graduated and that was the first time I did like a a beer bong, like a beer funnel and I did it over the tub and it just went right down. People were like, oh my God, Ashley, like people were like, oh my God, you're so good at this. I was like, I'll do this forever. Like I was like, I will do this the rest of my high school and college career to show off. And so I always will support a beer chug.

• 24:26Rayna Greenberg?

  I love it.

• 24:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. One final question for you about Travis and Taylor at the, at the game. Was he asleep at one point or was he like joking?

• 24:34Rayna Greenberg?

  I think he was just like nuzzling into her a little bit.

• 24:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  He didn't fall asleep. He fell asleep drunk after all those beers?

• 24:42Rayna Greenberg?

  That'd be, no, come on.

• 24:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. So Travis Kelsey was not asleep at the Cavs game. Well, a photo of him resting his head on Taylor's shoulder during wait, game three? It was game four. Oh, sorry. That's my bad guys. He was simply playing along for the cameras. Okay. Because they were, they were losing. Okay. Cause their loss was imminent. Okay. Got it. I just saw these photos and I figured it was something playful, but you know, just wanted to clear that up.

• 25:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, okay. Well, we are gonna get into some college stuff in a moment, but we're just gonna thank our partners really quickly and then get right into it.

• 25:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. I am telling you guys about every year after, I'm so excited to talk about this. This is based on the bestselling novel by Carly Fortune. It is going to be a new prime original series, which follows Sam and Percy across six summers as they take a second. Chance at Love that never really let go. So I read this book a few summers ago. I remember posting about it and everyone's like, I love that book so much. I really love Carly Fortune. I would say this is my favorite book from her and it is so, so great. I mean, it's set at this lake. It had really has that like lakeside summer nostalgia. We all love so much, so feel good. And it really is this slow burn friends to lovers romance that will absolutely wreck you. It, I was just obsessed with this book. It sat with me for days afterwards.

• 25:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  And if you love the book, the adaptation is really gorgeous. And if you haven't read it, you'll still love the show, obviously. So either or, but you know, it doesn't start until June 10th. So read the book now or not, whatever you guys want to do, but we really, really love this. And we're so excited that they're making into a show. I cannot wait to see what they do with it. So you guys can check it out. Watch every year after that is streaming June 10th only on Prime.

• 26:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. And this episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. So May is Mental Health Awareness Month. And I want to remind you guys that whatever you are going through, you don't have to go through it alone. And you know, I'm really lucky. I have incredible women in my life that I can turn to when things are really hard, whether it's love life or job stuff, or you know, I've been talking so much about like where I want to live. And I have amazing women in my life that can help me, but not everybody has that. And also professional help can really help, you know, I think that sometimes I reach, I reach my max with the people around me and professional help really helps. And you don't have to do things alone. It's really important to find somebody you can talk to and unpack these things with and set goals and try to unpack what you're feeling and what the path forward is. So BetterHelp can really help. Quality therapists are on their platform.

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• 27:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Off campus.

• 27:44Rayna Greenberg?

  How excited are you?

• 27:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh my God. Okay. So you guys have been telling us to watch this for weeks. It had been on my list. We were just really busy, so I finally got a chance to watch it. And I've been meaning every week when we have recorded this snack to be like, guys, I promise I'm gonna watch it. We're gonna watch it. But Off Campus, it's sweeping the nation. This is a show also on Prime, which you guys know what else is on Prime, my comedy special, Here Comes the Bride. So make sure to watch them both. But Off Campus, Raina, I can't believe I'm gonna say this. I think this is the most I have loved a show and it has stuck with me since Normal People.

• 28:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Whoa.

• 28:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. That's my, Normal People is my favorite show. Like, is that not crazy? Like, I think this is like my second favorite show.

• 28:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Listen, I'm happy you found this.

• 28:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Raina doesn't like it, you guys. Raina doesn't like it.

• 28:33Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm gonna pack up.

• 28:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is the most defining Ashley's friend, Raina's friend, right here. Raina's not a puck bunny. I'm a puck bunny, Raina.

• 28:40Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm a puck bunny, okay? For Heat Rivalry.

• 28:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  For Heat Rivalry. We're both puck bunnies, but in different ways. Obviously, we both loved Heat Rivalry, but I love this so, so deeply. So it is based on a series of books by L. Kennedy. So there are like four, five technically books in the series. They're all based on a different hockey player and their love interest. So this is like the first book.

• 29:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Straight Heat Rivalry.

• 29:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, no, it's, it's similar, but in, in certain ways, but also not. You know, people comparing them, it's like just because it's hockey. I think Heat Rivalry is a completely different theme. I mean, this show, Off Campus, is obviously a straight romance. I think all of the love stories, I haven't read all the books. I want to. They're all straight love stories. And so the premise, it takes place in this college in Boston. The star hockey player, Garrett Graham, he's played by Belmont Kameli. And the lead actress is, her name is Hannah Wells in the show. She's played by Ella Bright. He wants her to tutor him. In exchange, he's gonna pretend to be dating her to help her get the attention of her crush, who can only be described as Justin Bobby 2.0.

• 29:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Is that not Justin Bobby? Actually, no. Today I had that immediate thought. That is Justin Bobby.

• 29:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  I first saw him on screen. I posted on Instagram stories, welcome back, Justin Bobby.

• 29:51Rayna Greenberg?

  That's him.

• 29:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  And light. Spoilers ahead, I would say. I mean, if you don't want to hear anything about the show and you want to be surprised, you don't have to listen, but I promise there's not going to be some like major spoiler. I mean, you can see by any of the previews that of course feelings are going to develop between these two. It's again, this tale is old as time. And then there are subplots with other characters. So I would say the first half of the show is really focused on Garrett and Hannah. And then the second half, there are some other characters as well. And then again, each season is going to be a different player, which I'm already upset about because I love Garrett Graham so deeply. Raina, this is the horniest I've been for someone. I don't maybe ever, I am so horny for him. I think he is this phenomenal actor. I think they all are. I think Elabrite is phenomenal too.

• 30:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  But he is so sexy to me, like I, I can't, I am like, I shouldn't be watching this.

• 30:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Wait, he's 28? He's that, the actor's 28?

• 30:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, just like, I'm like, I shouldn't be thinking, I'm like, married, a married woman. No, I'm kidding.

• 30:46Rayna Greenberg?

  There's so much pussy eating on this show. I mean, they are just constantly, the men on this show just eating pussy. Love to see it.

• 30:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's really spicy. I mean, it is a hot show. I didn't know what to expect because I knew it was a lighter, more rom com energy, unlike heated rivalry. And it started so hot and heavy. There's so much sexual tension. There's this longing that we love, this will they, won't they? You're like screaming at the TV, like, just tell her how you feel. And there's this scene in episode four, if you know the scene, you know, like, I was like biting the pillow. I was like, this is the, one of the hottest things I've seen.

• 31:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, you know, I like mutual masturbation. It's my favorite thing.

• 31:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then I will say in the second half of the season, it really takes a more serious turn. And it covers themes of childhood trauma, sexual assault, parental abuse. And they really dive into the friendships, like the friendships between the women and the guys and being vulnerable. And like finding your purpose and finding your voice and figuring out what you want sexually. And just there's all these really great themes that they cover. And the friendship between Garrett and Logan, I just was loving how they were navigating the ups and downs. And him sharing his trauma. I just, I love this show so, so much. And I have a couple of things, like, I didn't know if you noticed this. So Belmont Camilli, the actor that plays Garrett Graham, he has the voice of Stephen DeMarco.

• 32:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Closing my eyes, I wouldn't be able to tell the two apart. Their voices are exactly the same. So I was like, he is Stephen DeMarco. If he was hot and likeable, I know you think Stephen DeMarco is hot. I don't, so I'm.

• 32:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Not as hot as this guy.

• 32:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  And he also has that Heath Ledger flair to him.

• 32:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, the hair.

• 32:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Reminds me of Heath Ledger too. Yeah, with the hair and everything. But I screenshotted a couple of things. That Liz Moody, who we've had on the show, and she just is brilliant and always has the best takes of. She started watching it and a few things that she wrote that I wanted to run by you and see what she thought of like, why we love this show, why I love this show so much, you don't. But she wrote.

• 32:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, can I, before you tell me, I'm gonna tell you what I think about the show and then you're gonna sell me on this show. Okay.

• 32:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, okay.

• 32:52Rayna Greenberg?

  I know you don't, listen, Ashley and I try to align on most things. It's okay if we don't like the same stuff. I, you hate Euphoria, and honestly, now I hate Euphoria, so now we're on the same team. But I, the first three episodes, actually, the first episode, I was like, this is the, I'm so sorry, just the dumbest plotline I've ever seen. So this guy is drowning in pussy, right? This guy is an athlete, he's drowning in pussy, and he agrees to be her fake boyfriend so that she will tutor him in a class. A philosophy class? Is that what's happening here?

• 33:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Cause Euphoria is so much more realistic?

• 33:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, it was.

• 33:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Euphoria is a more realistic depiction of younger kids. Yeah, yeah. No, no, totally, I get it. It's just so, this is, this would ever happen.

• 33:30Rayna Greenberg?

  I need more trauma, okay? Just let me have more trauma in my shows. I was like, this dialogue is not for me. And this acting, and this fake college campus is not for me. I will say, I like the female lead more and more every episode. Oh, you know what I really hated was when she was playing, um, the piano and like dancing around and twirling with the little scarf. I was just, it's not realistic enough for me, but I am coming around to it, episode four. It's just, it's a little corny for me. It's a little corny. Am I right? That is the whole premise. He, he agrees to be her fake boyfriend so that he can pass his class. That's the whole thing?

• 34:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I mean, yeah, I see where you're coming from. I figured you would feel this way. I mean, you don't like these shows. You didn't like Summer, I Turned Pretty, you didn't like Sex Lives of College Girls, or whatever, not that you don't, you just didn't watch them. They're not your, your style. Like, I thought this might transcend that for you, cause it is just.

• 34:24Rayna Greenberg?

  I wanna ask you a question. Episode four, do you feel like the tone of the show changed? Do you feel like it became less corny and more believable? Because episode four, I was like, okay, we're, we're doing more sex. This seems, the dialogue seems a little more realistic. These seem like more realistic relationships to me. There was like a real turn for me after episode three.

• 34:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, so I'm curious if you see it through, what you will think. It takes the turn for sure, and then it gets more serious and explores all those themes I mentioned. And there is probably a little less sex, like a little, there's still sex, and then there's some other people having sex. But that specific scene, you're not gonna get it again. Like, I haven't really stopped thinking about it.

• 35:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, well, episode four starts with a montage of sex. And I was like, I think I'm into this now.

• 35:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Just, I think you should see it through. I mean, again, they just, it kind of comes out of nowhere, this sexual assault storyline, the way that they, I mean, she's spoken on it, but the way they handle, and then the, there is the abuse parent thing that I'm just like, man, I didn't, it kind of comes out of nowhere, because like you said, you have a little that corny sheen on the first half of the season.

• 35:33Rayna Greenberg?

  So like, the second episode, these two bros like hop up on this table with these megaphones, and like, everyone's on the campus, and they're like, we're having a party this weekend. I was like, this is so corny. And then they, I think they end episode three or starts episode four with her saying like, I have trouble orgasming because, you know, I've had a past assault situation. And I was like, where did this come from? Okay, we have like, a more serious plotline here I can take seriously.

• 35:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So Shoshang started watching with me the second half, and I'm like, you really missed all this horny stuff that I'd love to recreate. But I just, I think it's really great. I think the cast is smoking hot, Jesus Christ. I think the acting is really superb. So Ella Bright is nineteen, she was cast when she was just newly eighteen, and the rest of the cast is mid to late twenties. So a lot of people are discussing this age gap. I read an article about from the director, and she was like, talking about the sex scenes, and how they really made sure everyone was comfortable. They had intimacy coordinator at every turn, and just really discussed like, her comfort level being like, the youngest person. But I wanted to read these quotes from Liz Moody, because they really spoke to me. So she wrote, "Off campus is so effing refreshing, because it's all about good people

• 36:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  communicating well and behaving in rational ways. The drama doesn't come from people being needlessly mean or stupid, or not having simple conversations. It comes from truly difficult life situations. I don't think it's a coincidence that there are credits from director to writer." All the way down for each episode feature, almost all women. And then she writes, I kindly request that every male podcasting bro and manosphere lover watch this show to see what modern masculinity can and should look like. Vulnerable, emotive, real, honest with deep relationships with their friends and partner, and they can still be strong and do sports if they want and crying and feeling only makes them hotter. And this really spoke to me because again, it's fictional, but it's like, we are over that whole like guys acting like shit. And like, I think this has made people even look at summer, I turned pretty in a different way.

• 37:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like I saw a tweet last night that was like, after off campus, I am no longer team Conrad or team Jeremiah. You know, like these guys are behaving well, they're dealing with their shit, but they're like communicating and being kind. It's refreshing.

• 37:43Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I've said this for so many years, I'm so sick of books and movies and television shows glorifying this trope of this like emotionally avoiding guy. And this girl just like tries and tries and tries and he like wakes up one day and decides to be with her. I hate it.

• 37:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, yes.

• 37:57Rayna Greenberg?

  And so you see all these athletes that actually just seem like nice guys that are in touch with their feelings and like, you're right, it's a nice representation of this. It's probably not going to be my favorite show, but it's like harmless and cute. And yes, the whole cast is so hot. Let me ask you a question. So our past assistants, Bella and Tessa, I don't think that they look alike, but the lead reminds me so much of both of them. I think she's just like the coolest, prettiest, like college girl, and she reminds me of both of them a little bit. Do you see it?

• 38:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  I do see it. A lot of these actors remind, especially us millennials of other people. So I think actually the lead actress, Ella Bright, looks like Brooke Shields. I think that Ally, her friend, is Linda Cardellini. I couldn't believe it. I was like, she has to be Linda Cardellini's daughter. Like they look so much alike to me. I think that Garrett Graham has that Heath Ledger vibe to him. And there's a lot of eighties, nineties, early two thousands nostalgia. So Lex Nico, who we love, who's a great friend of ours and a great follow, she does conversation starters, that's her brand. She posts a reel, we'll post it about all of the nods to the eighties, nineties, two thousands rom coms. I don't know if you've gotten to this part yet, but there's this part where she sings over the P A system.

• 39:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's in the arena. I was like, that's 10 things I hate about you. That's when Heath Ledger put it on and sang at the soccer field. Like, there's these little 10 things I hate about you moments. This one moment, I clocked it immediately. Also, it's like, she comes out and Garrett is standing against the car. It was just out of 16 Candles. Jake Ryan leaning up against the car. There's a couple of 16 Candles moments.

• 39:26Rayna Greenberg?

  The 80s references are really interesting. The sister says, what's your damage, Heather? It's from the movie Heathers, which was the original Mean Girls. And I was like, oh my, the movie's from like 1985.

• 39:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then when she comes down at the Halloween party in the costume, it's this she's all that energy, like a reveal. Obviously, she's wearing an outfit that's like Mean Girls-esque. And there's this one scene where they're in the bathtub. I'm not going to tell you the characters. Two characters are in the bathtub. You aren't there yet. And she goes underneath the water when someone walks in. And he's holding a vibrator. It's straight out of Friends. When Joey like busts into the bathroom with Monica and Chandler. I mean, there's all these references. If you guys go, Lex Neco did a great reel. And then all the comments are people noticing other things. And so it really feels like that's one of the reasons why, especially millennials, obviously with Gen Z too, are loving this show so much. There's just some of that nostalgia.

• 40:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I couldn't love it anymore. I started again. And I never do. I never do that. I typically don't. And I started again, and now I'm noticing stuff. I've only watched the first episode again of stuff that like is callbacks to stuff I've seen. Like, I just obsessed with the show. And maybe Rand will come around, but.

• 40:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Maybe. Listen, I can still appreciate why other people appreciate something if it's not going to be for me. Did you re-watch Heated Rivalry?

• 40:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Um, no. I, I know a lot of people, the same energy, same type of obsession that I'm seeing with as same as Heated Rivalry, where people like just finished it and started it right over. And a lot of the same people are saying that they did. I, I I may re-watch Heated Rivalry at some point. I loved it. But this is, this is like more, more my style.

• 41:07Rayna Greenberg?

  All right. Well, there's a ton of stuff to watch this week. We maybe will unpack it another time. But obviously, The City came out. The Crash on Netflix. Fantastic, um, Euphoria, who cares, whatever, fuck that show.

• 41:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I wanted to add one in, Pop Culture Jeopardy on Netflix, hosted by Colin Jost. I'm obsessed with this show and my husband's cousins, Anita and Erica, they were at our wedding and I've spent time with them. They are on episode seven and eight and they might be on future episodes too, I'm unclear. But the show is amazing, right? You gotta get into it. It's all stuff that we would crush this show. It's on Netflix. So it's like Jeopardy but for pop culture. I mean, I like know all these answers. Like I, I know so many things. I mean, it could be, it's, there's Bravo categories. There's Sex and the City stuff. I mean, you would crush all the Bravo stuff. But anyway, if you guys are watching this, my cousins-in-law are Anita and Erica. Their team name is Snake Juice No Pulp and they are on episode seven and eight.

• 41:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  And Shashank went to the taping and we teased this months ago because he was cooking for us all during an Eagles game and he came in so late to make those berry tacos. And I was like, he was doing something that I can't talk about and this is what it was. So he wasn't able to talk about it, but he went to this taping and he said it was just so much fun to watch them crush it. And this show, I mean, it's just fun to play. It's fun to have on, especially if you're a millennial and just seeing all the random stuff these teams know. You're like blown away. And then there's some stuff that, there's a couple of things that no one got the answer and I'm like screaming at the TV. One of them, Cynthia Nixon comes up on the screen and she's like, in whatever episode of Sex and the City, these six words changed Miranda's outlook on dating forever. And I'm like, what?

• 42:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Then no one got it!

• 42:42Rayna Greenberg?

  That's crazy.

• 42:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was screaming, right? I was like, I couldn't believe it. No one got it. So there's like moments like that. And then there's other obscure stuff I don't know at all. But I think you and I would crush this show and like there's a lot of Bravo stuff. And they have Andy Cohen come in and read some of the questions and it's just such a fun watch. So, um, anyway, and you know, we got, we got family on it. So check it out.

• 43:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Put us in next season, Coach. And then tonight, Ashley and I, Ashley and I are gonna take a break. We're gonna watch the Summer House reunion, AKA the Bravo Super Bowl. I mean, I have not been this excited since the Vanderpump reunion in 2022 in May. I have not been this excited in four years. Um, this morning, West and Amanda were paparazzi'd in Rome, so they left the country for the occasion, and I would too. Honestly, I would be like, I cannot be a part of the American news cycle at this time.

• 43:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  The American news cycle.

• 43:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I do feel like, and I wonder how I'll feel after I watch this, but like, I feel like we've, we've seen it. I feel like we've seen quotes from so many people. We've seen spoilers. Like, I think you get a vibe for like, what is gonna happen tonight, but I am excited to see if we were right.

• 43:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  And it's three parts.

• 43:55Rayna Greenberg?

  All three parts.

• 43:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, so three weeks. I don't know that we're gonna do this every week, because we, again, we're gonna come back in tonight after we watch it and recap it, but we want to do this at least for the first one. So, here is our recap.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  What advice would Rihanna give you today?

• 44:16Rayna Greenberg?

  You're a bad bitch. That's what's up.

• 44:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, we're back.

• 44:22Rayna Greenberg?

  11 o'clock, 11 o'clock at night.

• 44:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Rihanna, the dedication for you, for, I am glad I was able to watch it earlier than YouTube TV wanted me to, but it's still, I had to watch it like 6:15 my time, so I'm here at 7:30, we're cooking dinner.

• 44:39Rayna Greenberg?

  I would have been up, listen, it would have been midnight and I would have been lit up from this reunion, so I just want to-

• 44:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, take it away, sis.

• 44:47Rayna Greenberg?

  I just want to say to you, like, I, this, I think this is my favorite reunion I've ever watched for a number of reasons, at all the Bravo sphere.

• 44:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Um, yeah.

• 44:57Rayna Greenberg?

  I really felt like going into it, I said to you, I was like, we've seen all this, we've seen the leaks, and we've seen the previews, and like, West is gonna sit there and not talk, and Amanda is gonna sit there and be defensive, and I thought like, we've seen it. But like, I thought that like, everybody individually had the floor to speak. It wasn't a bunch of people that were screaming over each other, like chucking all these insults, yelling, like, Lindsey Hubbard, I thought was gonna annihilate people. She really was like, very measured, intentional. Kyle didn't talk that much. Also, who's to say how much anybody talked? This was filmed over the course of 10 hours.

• 45:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, but in general, this cast has more composure than Vanderpump. I mean, you know, I just couldn't- Get down with that like the you know I got involved enough to watch the reunions for Vanderpump. And I was like, I can't handle this by like my heart rate has spiked every time James Kennedy like lunges across the stage, you know, but I am with you. I mean, I had adrenaline the whole time, like from the jump. I mean, the way that they came in and had them read the Instagram story in real time, like, and not adrenaline in like, I'm excited way, just like, what's gonna happen? It just felt like I felt tense. And it was crazy hearing the leaked audio, like, in the reunion, it was like seeing a band live after hearing their song on the radio. Like, we'd heard it, but you just see it live to see it in the context, like, what a rush, like,

• 46:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  to hear Mia drop that line about being the side piece. Like, I was like, oh, shit, that's my jam.

• 46:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm gonna give you, I want to give you the four completely, but I just had a couple of notes, like, it was just crazy. The text, like, seeing these lies unfold in real time. I really love Ciara and Mia's friendship and like them being neighbors. And it just like, it makes me want to cry. I feel like, you know, I feel like Jesse was crying at some point over, over them. Maybe I could have been wrong. But I love them. And I Mia, I feel for her. I think she's gonna be a star. And I just love her and their friendship. And I had trouble focusing on any of the other storylines. I really don't care. But the seating was wild. Like, with the exception of Ben, Amanda seated with the guys and Kyle with the girls. That was crazy work. Like, more so Amanda being with all these dudes. Not that all of them are dogs, but like, the way that they did that

• 47:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  was so intentional. I mean, with the exception of Ben being hanging off the end. But I was like, oh, my goodness.

• 47:17Rayna Greenberg?

  I just thought, like, looking at this seating chart, I thought it was going to be a firing squad at Amanda. And like, no one deserves that, no matter what. And like, it wasn't. I thought that, like, Mia used her time well. Lindsay used her time well. Like, Ciara is welcome to pop off as much as she wants. This is like, a horrible thing. I was watching the last few minutes of the season finale before I started the reunion. And I wrote down this line, because like, Amanda and Ciara are crying before they leave the house. And Ciara is like, hugging her. And she says, "I love you. I'm proud of you. You're special and beautiful. You're important and your voice matters." Like, it broke my heart to watch her speak like that to her friend, and her friend turns around and does that to her.

• 47:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. I mean, while we're here, the finale, I mean, what the fuck? And of course, you know, they went back in and edited that to be a certain type of way. I mean, they edited it with the goodbyes that they typically don't. Like, I was thinking, because a lot of people were like, "This felt like a series finale." And I'm like, "You know what? I think that they always have those types of goodbyes, but they just, like, caked it up a notch and made it feel much more emotional and showed much more." That probably always happens. Not Sierra and Amanda's moment, but like, in general, they made this, like, farewell emotional ending. But Sierra and Amanda, that hug in the doorway, and then people clock she's wearing Paige's pajamas, like Paige is always gonna have her back. I was like, "Stop." I'm gonna cry right now. Raina, people were setting that to music, like, people were setting

• 48:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  it to that, "Mm, what you say?" Like, that song and then Taylor Swift songs, like, the music people were setting that hug to? But anyway, we're here to talk about the reunion.

• 48:49Rayna Greenberg?

  I did, I got clout, I just, I was writing on the quote for you, and like, I was listening to the music over and over, and I was like, "Damn, that is like a real friendship." And most of these are reality TV casted friendships, but like, these girls really were friends for a long time.

• 49:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Sierra and Mia, like, like, all on the same lounge chair, consoling Amanda, and she's like, "I know, I'm on a broken record, you guys, and I'm just so annoying." And they're like, "No, you're our friend." Like, it's crazy. It was crazy to watch this season, knowing how it played out. But I wanna, I wanna hear Raina's takes on the reunion.

• 49:21Rayna Greenberg?

  You keep saying that, and I'm enjoying the conversation with you.

• 49:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, I know, I just wanna like-

• 49:25Rayna Greenberg?

  You're gonna be like, "Raina, you take over."

• 49:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm hungry.

• 49:29Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I just, I was really impressed by Kyle and Lindsay. I mean, I thought that Amanda and Wes basically did what you thought they were gonna do. I don't know, it's, it's hard to say did Amanda get a bad edit on this. Was she apologetic and soft and warm and kind and like, open to having like empathy? I mean, she just, out of the gate, just defensive, deflect, like, "I didn't mean to do this. People, this just happens. People fall for it." For other people like it was so aggressive and there was just no there wasn't an ounce of remorse or sadness and she doesn't look visibly upset until Sierra starts talking about how West one had a girlfriend up until literally like a couple of days before they released this joint

• 50:12Rayna Greenberg?

  statement and two that Sierra was sleeping at his house throughout the fall. That's when Amanda looks upset.

• 50:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. I mean, let us not forget they were at the Super Bowl. It's Sierra and West. I'm not remember and like Fibula and like a bunch of people in this year in February. Like I'm not saying they were hooking up. But I mean, it's like I keep having to remember like this was a year ago, but then like what transpired after even up until the beginning of this year. I just West is I have like a visceral reaction to him and he just is not doing himself any favors. The way he looks, he just looks so raggedy and like he doesn't care and he just looks so dazed and out of it and like are him and Amanda both on beta blockers. That's what everybody's saying like they're not really

• 50:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  present. Like the vibes are so off. They should have handled this so much differently than they don't even seem like they're there, which maybe they're like disassociating because of the circumstances, but it's like you guys are just not doing yourself any favors.

• 51:14Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I think people what they wanted from them was like, you know, Tom Sandoval at the Vanderpump for units out there hysterically crying on stage, which was too much also, but like at least he said with his whole chest, I'm in love with this girl. I'm in love with Raquel. Like, that's why I did this. Amanda and Wes aren't saying that they're they're alleging that they didn't even sleep together until after the statement came out. Get the fuck out of here. You put out a whole ass statement on Instagram, we're together and you guys haven't you haven't fucked.

• 51:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  They had to sit there. Right, of course, but they also had to sit there and be like, I lied. I lied. That's the one credit I will give them is owning up to being liars repeatedly to people that they care about their to their literal best friends and husbands. I lied.

• 52:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's crazy.

• 52:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Sure, I get it. You're like, I'm developing feelings. I have to lie about this now. I don't even know how to address this right now. But man, watching this was so crazy. I just thought even, I will say, even when they took a break to talk about the other cast members and, you know, there was a collective, no, please don't go to those people. I did think they used the time. I thought what KJ said was beautiful about his mental health and so sweet and open.

• 52:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm not lying to that, but I was looking at beach houses for the summer. What

• 52:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Of course, of course, everybody was.

• 52:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  And you're like, hey, do these days work for you? Speaking of summer houses, how do you feel about July 19?

• 52:39Rayna Greenberg?

  I like that they used it to talk about Katie's mental health and his relationship to Sierra Mia, which is so beautiful. And I have been thinking to myself, the way Ben speaks to women is cuckoo bananas crazy. And Bailey was like, I'm gonna burn this room to the ground.

• 52:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Whoa, yeah. She went off. I looked up from Airbnb and she was going off.

• 53:00Rayna Greenberg?

  But they closed it down with this like unbelievable like mic drop from Sierra. I wrote it down and she's talking about like how like it probably wasn't gonna work out with her and Wes, but she said, you know, he needs someone who isn't gonna check him. And that's Amanda. She's totally mute and weak and he can always be the star in that relationship. And the whole stage was, she insulted Amanda, she insulted Wes, she insulted Kyle, she complimented herself. I have never seen somebody wrap up like just an entire feeling in like one sentiment and just like, I mean, she just like lit the whole stage on fire.

• 53:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. You know, it's interesting because it's like that is what Amanda thinks about herself and we all know that. But Sierra has been the one to try to get her to think otherwise. Like the whole, this whole series, I mean, the Old Navy moment, let's not forget Old Navy, you know, and like her telling her like, you're stronger than this, you're better than this. It's like Amanda saying like, I am weak. I am nobody without Kyle. I let him walk over me. And Sierra being like, no, you don't have to be this way. Like trying to push her and motivate her and, you know, to get her to level up her life. And this happened and Sierra, it's like she's reinforcing like you are that person. And so I think it like, I hate to say a full circle moment because it was pretty bleak, but.

• 54:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  You watch Amanda be like, I am. That's who I am. And I, that's who I've always thought I am.

• 54:22Rayna Greenberg?

  I, I felt sad for Amanda in that moment because I thought about this like 22 year old girl that got cast in reality television. That has only ever known reality TV and there's this, I've always said like this reward system for bad behavior and Kyle yelling at her. The way that they act together, they just get contracts and contracts every year to be on TV and how could you ever be like a fully formed person? Like, it's sad. I just, I, I have empathy for her. I, I understand how we get here with somebody like that.

• 54:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, and you stabbed your best friend in the back.

• 54:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Sure. Like knowingly. I like that, you know, what happened to you is not your fault, but it is your responsibility. And it, you know, what she has gone through does not excuse that type of behavior, especially towards somebody that seems, to your point, to have always built her up and tried to negate those thoughts and feelings she has about herself.

• 55:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Which is probably also Ciara being like, I've tried to fix you. I've tried to, you know, help you and look where that got me.

• 55:22Rayna Greenberg?

  It's insane. So I don't know. I enjoyed watching it because I, I don't want to watch people yell and scream and rip each other to shreds. And I thought everybody just like kept it in the box. And that was nice. Amanda and West were very married to this like timeline, going to clear up the timeline. No one cares about this. You guys could have fucked last week or six months ago. You still did what you did to the people that you did it to and you lied to everybody. And the timeline is sort of irrelevant to me at this point. Like you guys cleared it up. You weren't having an affair when she was with Kyle. It's fine. You guys did something really shitty. The timeline is sort of irrelevant at this point.

• 55:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm with you, but the TikTok sleuths are, they are obsessed with the timeline. Like the timeline as people is probably their whole personality at this point.

• 56:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. I mean, we have two more parts. I don't really know what else we're going to get. I mean, I feel like we wrapped it up pretty good, but I look forward to the next two.

• 56:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. I know. It didn't feel like we have more. Like it wasn't, they didn't really end us on a cliffhanger.

• 56:19Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I could have just ended it right here. I don't know what else we need, but I mean, maybe they'll announce like the Summer House cast for the summer. Who's to say? All right, well, if anything crazy happens, we'll, we'll talk to you guys about it next week. We're going to move on to headlines. Okay, so Jesse Draper was on the red carpet of the AMA as she reveals her relationship status. During, I guess, her date night with Marciano Brunetti, who cares what his last name was? Brunet?

• 56:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Marc is like a hard launch, like I can't believe this.

• 56:48Rayna Greenberg?

  She made it known that this is not a hard launch and so did he. She's like, we're not together, I'm single, I'm dating. He was like, I'm just here as a friend. And, you know, when she gets through her divorce, maybe he's touching her butt, they're all over each other. They insisted they are not together, but they are dates on the red carpet. I mean, I just, I love to see it. I love to see a woman openly treating a man like men quietly treat women all the time.

• 57:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's so true. This is such a gray role reversal. Good for her.

• 57:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, okay, next up, this really took me by surprise. Shein.

• 57:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Did it?

• 57:22Rayna Greenberg?

  No. The face of fast fashion bought Everlane. So here's why this is really crazy. Everlane is really like a sustainability first, like the opposite of what Shein is, which is the most fast fashion that exists. Everlane really staked their claim in like sustainability.

• 57:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it's just like, you can't trust anybody and you can't believe these brands. And, you know, you really, they really have to be investigated and held accountable when they make these claims. And it's all about money and that's late stage capitalism, baby.

• 57:57Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, it's crazy, like when you read like their mission statement, Everlane's just about like, we're committed to like not overproduction and we're committed to, you know, these limited edition drops and sustainability. And you're like, oh, this was just word salad and nonsense to sell shit.

• 58:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, or it was at first, you know, like, again, I didn't dive too, too deep into this, but you never know where things took a turn. I don't know if there was new management and that's how it started with all the best intentions. And then it wasn't doing well and they got to sell the company. I mean, there's that too. It's like, this is what it used to be and now we're not doing well anymore. And everybody wants this fast fashion, so fuck it, we're going to sell. I don't know. Maybe that's.

• 58:39Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I'm with you and I think that as a business owner, you want to do what, whatever you can to, you know, help the lives of the people that work for you and make sure that they have jobs and an income. But like. This is the craziest sale to sell to the number one fast fashion company.

• 58:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  But it's like, okay, well, then we're not shopping them anymore. I mean, I never really, I think I wore Everlane. Like, how many?

• 59:01Rayna Greenberg?

  They have some cutie stuff.

• 59:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  There, yeah, like a couple, you said something about them recently when you were talking about Carolyn Bissett Kennedy. And people didn't know if you meant it as an insult or not. We got a few comments that were like, Wayne, I love Everlane. And we were like, we weren't saying any, it's the codice basics and classics.

• 59:15Rayna Greenberg?

  I would say J. Crew. I mean, it's, yes, it's great basics. I just mean, like, people acted like Carolyn Bissett was this, like, fashion icon. She just looks like she went to Everlane.

• 59:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So, sorry if I don't have all the ins and outs of this. I'm just kind of like scanning. But yeah, I think people were shocked by this and it was like a fuck you for people who were shopping that brand for the so-called ethics of it. And lastly, the LA mayor race heads to primary day. So, we have not really discussed this. I mean, we've mentioned Spencer Pratt in passing, but so here's the moment. The primary is going to be June 2nd and the candidates that get the two highest votes will go to the general election in November. If one candidate receives more than 50% of the vote, they will be the mayor, which probably doesn't happen. If it could happen, it would be an incumbent mayor. I mean, there's a world in which Karen Bass or Spencer Pratt gets 51% of the vote, but probably not.

• 1:00:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, chances are it will probably be those two and they will head to the election in November. I mean, I don't think there were great options here. I watched the whole debate. I've done my research on these candidates. This is my city. I am invested and involved. And I'm not a fan of Karen Bass for, for a lot of reasons. I mean, the fires, among other mismanagement on her track record. Nithia Rahman doesn't really seem like she's up to the task. I think she contradicted herself a bit in the debate. I just don't think she's ready to be mayor. I agree with her on a lot of her policies, but not all. These are really the top three contenders. And then there's Spencer Pratt and he's Spencer Pratt. I mean, he's abrasive. He's a bully. He's hot-headed. He's giving grifter. He's totally inexperienced.

• 1:00:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  He makes some good points in wanting to like clean up the streets and do some things and clean up the corruption and the waste in the government. But you know who else said that is Elon Musk. And look what happened there. He ripped apart the government on behalf of the president. who's actively stealing people's tax dollars for his own gain so like I don't disagree with all of Spencer Pratt says I just don't believe he would know how to execute on his plans as mayor I mean

• 1:01:10Rayna Greenberg?

  we can't hand people jobs that they're not qualified to do you're talking about this one of the most important listen every city is very important blah blah blah LA is I would say the second most important city in this country the second largest and is that bad to say it's one of the largest cities in the country yeah no job in any field I'm not getting surgery from a surgeon that hasn't gone to medical school I'm not why you can't hand jobs to people you're gonna run the city

• 1:01:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  listen but I mean there's you could say the same for lifelong politicians you can't trust them either I mean who can you trust it's just like he is a showboater he reminds me of Trump in a lot of ways and Spencer Pratt wasn't like I want to make a difference in my city I'm running for city council he was like I'm gonna be mayor and if I don't win I'm moving oh you really love the city that much I mean you can interpret that how you want but he's like if I don't win mayor for the first time I'm going out into politics I'm moving oh yeah you really care about making a difference or you would have run for city council I saw a tweet that said white privilege is believing the mayor of LA is an entry level position

• 1:02:09Rayna Greenberg?

  but that's what I'm saying it's not even being a trustworthy person I don't think politicians are trustworthy he has never had held an office he wasn't was he even like the parent teacher president at his son's school like what qualifies him for this

• 1:02:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  yeah exactly he's not qualified at all it's like that goes without saying and like you know as far as his character I mean I've watched him in multiple interviews now because I think him being on a reality show 20 years ago is not an argument against him I think we need better arguments against him I've seen a lot of people out there that like that's not a really solid argument really like let's actually talk about his character or his policies or his lack of experience and he reminds me of Trump we've seen this play out before but I he's gained a lot of popularity people need to take him seriously you know like this isn't a joke like he will he may be going into the November election like he has so many backers like this is not a joke so it's just like you gotta realize what he's

• 1:03:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  playing into and why people are gravitating towards him I mean a multitude of reasons and I'll follow you know whatever these Hollywood elites or whatever they think it's gonna benefit them in some way but it's just like he's in the running so he needs to be spoken about

• 1:03:23Rayna Greenberg?

  I could not care less he was on a reality TV show. But also, the president was on a reality TV show. So it clearly does not disqualify you from running for office.

• 1:03:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  There's similarities.

• 1:03:30Rayna Greenberg?

  He's just not qualified. That would just automatically disqualify him for me. He has no idea what he's doing. And yes, the current sitting mayor, there's probably a lot of problems with her and people disagree with her policies and things that she's done. But she's been the mayor.

• 1:03:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I mean, listen, I watched the debate and this might sound crazy to say, I wouldn't mind Mayor Bass with Spencer Pratt mixed in there somewhere to hold her accountable. He is digging into a lot of the corruption and a lot of where the money's going. He's not fit to be mayor and I really wouldn't want him in a place of power because of his character. But I'd like him holding her accountable. He held her accountable in the debate, you know. So to me, like, I love LA, I love California. It is a dream to live here, truly. Like, we have our issues, but I choose our issues over the issues in a red state any day. That's my personal opinion. You're welcome to disagree. Like, I love it here. I'm invested in it. It's a dream to live here. And people who hate on it, a lot of them have never been here.

• 1:04:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're hating from outside the club or they've been here and they went to Hollywood, you know. So it's just like, I feel so passionate. I feel, I get like a territorial and defensive about LA and I want the best for it. And, you know, I'm not saying that he doesn't. I think he ran because his house burned down and he saw a lot of the cracks and he wants to fix those things. His intentions weren't wrong. But, you know, to me, this is like a devil you don't know versus devil you do or whatever the saying. And like, at this point, knowing what I know and the research I've done and watching the debate, it's like, I probably will vote for Karen Bass, unfortunately. I wish the options were better. And, you know, if Spencer Pratt is serious, then he should stick around and run again or run for city council if he really wants to make a difference in LA politics.

• 1:05:14Rayna Greenberg?

  I totally agree.

• 1:05:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  All right, guys, well. That is your snack. So if you live in LA, go out and vote. I think you can probably vote now, early, June 2nd, and we'll see what happens. And thanks for being along in the ride. GirlsGottaEat.com, GirlsGottaEat Podcast, Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok. Raina is Rayna Greenberg, RainaGreenberg.com for her tour tickets in the fall. Also, congrats, Raina, your tour is over tonight, or it's last night?

• 1:05:41Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm in Pittsburgh tonight, and that's where we are shutting it down.

• 1:05:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh my God, we didn't mention that up top. But I mean, you know, I'm sure you're sold out. But congrats on ending your tour. And I hope you guys all have fun tonight. If you're at Raina's Pittsburgh Show and RainaGreenberg.com again for those tour tickets in the fall. And you can watch full video on Spotify and YouTube. And we will see you Monday.

• 1:06:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Have a great weekend, guys.

• 1:06:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bye.

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