Giggling about couples counseling, clams, and condoms

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• 0:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, remember when I told you how excited I was about Lululemon dropping their fall collection on September 8? Well, the collection is finally here and I just got my hands on a few pieces and let's just say these will be in my rotation on repeat. I got the Groove Yoga Bra and the High Rise Matching Short. They're so buttery soft. They have laser cut pocket openings for optional and removable cups, which I love that because sometimes I don't want to have a bra insert when I'm working out, but sometimes I do. Performance never compromises style at Lululemon. I love their vintage-inspired styles and everything comes in such an assortment of colors. So if you don't want to stick to black, which is my traditional go-to, you can explore other colors. Like, I love a burgundy workout set. New styles from Lululemon's fall collection are here.

• 0:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Popular colors go fast, so be on the lookout for those drops. And if something doesn't work out for you, free returns always. That's lululemon.com, lululemon.com.

• 0:55Hannah Berner?

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• 1:38Hannah Berner?

  I was thinking about how women have so many little things we have to do when we're getting home that you have to be aware of.

• 1:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, so many people have my location.

• 1:47Hannah Berner?

  And you have to share your ETA, you have to check the route, you have to text everyone I'm home.

• 1:51Paige DeSorbo?

  And if your friend, like, doesn't text you, "Oh, you got home," you're calling the FBI.

• 1:55Hannah Berner?

  Yep, yep. And we joke about it because it's so normal to us, but you're constantly paying attention. Even when you're exhausted and just want to get home, your brain still has to be on. You're like, is this guy going the right route? Am I in the right place? Who's around me? What's happening?

• 2:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, there's truly no clocking out of your safety.

• 2:12Hannah Berner?

  And that's why riding in a Waymo feels different. It's an autonomous ride with an empty driver's seat, so once you get in, you have this private space that's actually just yours.

• 2:20Paige DeSorbo?

  And you know, I love alone time and I truly feel like it's such a luxury in a Waymo.

• 2:25Hannah Berner?

  Especially after being social. Like, I love everyone, but like...

• 2:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Please, nobody speak to me.

• 2:29Hannah Berner?

  Like, give me 20 minutes. I want music, the right temperature. There's no compromising. And you can customize the ride, put on your own music, answer texts you ignored all night, stare out the window. You actually have a minute where you're not thinking about everyone else.

• 2:43Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's the thing. It's not even necessarily about doing something. Sometimes it's just, you want to sit there and not speak.

• 2:50Hannah Berner?

  And put your guard down for a second and feel safe.

• 2:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Which truly women deserve.

• 2:55Hannah Berner?

  We deserve to disassociate safely for 20 minutes.

• 2:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I mean, put that on a t-shirt, for real.

• 3:01Hannah Berner?

  And obviously, safety is a huge part of why that feeling matters. Knowing Waymo's safer, there's something refreshing in having that space where you can just be yourself and let Waymo handle the driving.

• 3:10Paige DeSorbo?

  And we spend enough of our lives being on.

• 3:13Hannah Berner?

  Exactly.

• 3:14Paige DeSorbo?

  We don't need to be on in the car.

• 3:16Hannah Berner?

  Getting around shouldn't require so much mental energy. And if this sounds like your ideal way to get around too, download the Waymo app and use code GIGLY to get 20% off your next two rides. You can check out the full terms in the app.

• 3:28Paige DeSorbo?

  We love a discount.

• 3:29Hannah Berner?

  And if Waymo isn't in your city yet, head to waymo.com/gigly to sign up and help bring Waymo to you.

• 3:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Sup, gigglers?

• 3:38Speaker 02

  Gary, fix the wifi.

• 3:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Manifest that shit.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  We can't be managed.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  I mean, the day just got away from me.

• 3:50Hannah Berner?

  I feel like we're doing a debate.

• 3:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, that's, yeah.

• 3:55Hannah Berner?

  My argument is, you guys, what is up, my granite stone gigglers? I was in the bathroom. I got spied right before this.

• 4:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Sitting at this table, I don't know why I feel like Jane Fonda. Like, girls, like, women look at each other when they're speaking. They face each other. That's how I feel.

• 4:14Hannah Berner?

  What do you think about those intimacy rules for couples where they're like, before you go to sleep, you should stare at each other for 30 minutes and don't say anything?

• 4:20Paige DeSorbo?

  One time I dated-

• 4:21Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, it's called marriage.

• 4:23Paige DeSorbo?

  One time I dated a guy and he made me go to, um...

• 4:28Hannah Berner?

  What's it called?

• 4:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Therapy?

• 4:29Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 4:32Hannah Berner?

  School? I don't know.

• 4:34Paige DeSorbo?

  I was trying to think of couples counseling.

• 4:39Paige DeSorbo?

  It's not my lip, I can't.

• 4:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Anyway, in one of her like exercises one time, and I think it was the moment that I was like, this guy is not for me. She was like, turn all the lights off and like for 30 minutes, lay in bed and like stare at each other. And I was just like, no.

• 4:58Hannah Berner?

  Can I have a hot take?

• 4:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 4:59Hannah Berner?

  If you're under 27.

• 5:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 5:02Hannah Berner?

  You should not be going to couples therapy. Get a new man.

• 5:05Paige DeSorbo?

  I actually have an even hotter take to outdo you. But I think going to couples counseling or therapy, even like before you're married, is like a little bit of a red flag. I mean, and people are like, no, no, no, it's really good right before you get married, like to be able to talk to each other. But I am almost like, oh.

• 5:26Hannah Berner?

  Everyone has their different, different idea of love. Some people, love to them is fighting for it and being like, this clearly isn't a fit, but I love this person and I'm going to try to make it work out.

• 5:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, like I need a little bit of jealousy and like a little bit of like.

• 5:40Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, no, it's good to have a little bit.

• 5:41Paige DeSorbo?

  I need like a little bit of fighting.

• 5:43Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, you don't want it to feel perfect. That's so boring.

• 5:46Paige DeSorbo?

  So boring.

• 5:46Hannah Berner?

  You love to slam a door.

• 5:48Paige DeSorbo?

  I have to slam at least once every fiscal like quarter. I have to get really pissed like every, once every three months where I'm like, I'll leave.

• 5:57Hannah Berner?

  You have to threaten. Yeah.

• 5:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, no, you have to.

• 6:00Hannah Berner?

  You have to. You have to just keep him scared. Um, I have to make a quick update. I apologize. I said that Lewis Hamilton was tall. I, I don't know what I talk about when I speak about men. I just assumed.

• 6:14Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know what came over you.

• 6:15Hannah Berner?

  And one thing about me, you can never assume a man is anything.

• 6:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 6:19Hannah Berner?

  And turns out he's 5'9" on Google, which means he's 5'7". So he's not tall.

• 6:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 6:25Hannah Berner?

  But neither is Kim.

• 6:26Paige DeSorbo?

  But we're praying for good things for him.

• 6:28Hannah Berner?

  Kim is like 5'2".

• 6:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Tiny.

• 6:30Hannah Berner?

  5'2 and a half on a good day.

• 6:32Paige DeSorbo?

  Speaking of men, um, we didn't get to talk about it last week because we had recorded a little bit early, but the Olympian who cheated on his girlfriend and told.

• 6:41Hannah Berner?

  The world.

• 6:42Paige DeSorbo?

  So I screenshotted.

• 6:44Hannah Berner?

  To actually get the data correct.

• 6:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, I screenshotted because the quotes are so insane. He's a Norwegian, um, Olympian. He won bronze. He said, I told her a week ago and it's been, and it's been the worst week of my life. I had a gold medal in life and there's probably a lot of people out there who look at me differently now, but I only have eyes for her. Sports has taken a bit of a backseat these past couple of days. Yeah, I wish I could share this with her. I'm not ready to give up. I hope that committing social suicide like this might show her how much I love her, which that's just like insane. I accept the consequences of what I've done.

• 7:25Paige DeSorbo?

  I regret it with all my heart. Maybe I'm dumb as a rock. Maybe I'm a member of Mensa, but I, I still do stupid stuff.

• 7:33Hannah Berner?

  This is a Wendy. It's giving Erica Jane, he was shot. His tongue was shot. And then he rolled his ankle. What did she say?

• 7:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Tom was in a car accident.

• 7:46Hannah Berner?

  Okay, so the messed up part about this is like, this girl did not want to be a part of this narrative. Like- Here's my thing. I'd be like, I go, uh, soon as I told the whole world. Like, she was actually trying to work it out with them, I think, and like, figure out where they stand. And he just word vomited to the world. But you know what? This is a classic, like, you feel guilty? Don't make it everyone's problem.

• 8:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. If I were her, I would stay gone. I mean, that is so embarrassing.

• 8:16Hannah Berner?

  It's embarrassing.

• 8:17Paige DeSorbo?

  It's also very clear that he has zero

• 8:20Hannah Berner?

  Self-awareness.

• 8:21Paige DeSorbo?

  ... to his own emotions. Who gets in front of live TV and just says, uh, actually, can I get something off my chest really quick?

• 8:28Hannah Berner?

  I guess in his head, he thought it was like a rom-com moment, like a guy with a radio outside of someone's house, like in the 80s.

• 8:35Paige DeSorbo?

  But look at the power of women. Bronze.

• 8:37Hannah Berner?

  Bronze. Well, that's what I was gonna say. No one's coming back when you got a bronze, babe. Third place? That's not even second. Third place? That's barely-

• 8:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Get a grab.

• 8:47Hannah Berner?

  No, like, you barely made it.

• 8:49Paige DeSorbo?

  You barely, you were, they were like, fine.

• 8:50Hannah Berner?

  Skin in your teeth. Also, these Winter Olympians, can I just say?

• 8:55Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 8:56Hannah Berner?

  I can't watch the violence anymore. People are getting guillotined, like, I'm watching, I'm obsessed with it, and I will turn on any sport.

• 9:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Did you watch the Lindsey Vonn, like, when she really crashed?

• 9:09Hannah Berner?

  No, I'll like puke, I'm an empath.

• 9:11Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what's funny, is like, I was with a group of people and I was like, we could watch it, like, right now on TV and everyone was like, I have to look away. And I was like, what? We have to watch it.

• 9:21Hannah Berner?

  They were too nervous for her, and then she, like, lost a leg.

• 9:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 9:24Hannah Berner?

  So I have these, I love these winter sports, because they do these insane jumps. When I tell you they're building things where, like, I wouldn't even stand on these things, might as well slide all the way down and then jump up. And these girls are so badass, like, in another life, I wish I was like a cool ski girl, like, jumping around. But when they fall, they have to bring the camera away, because they don't know if the person's dead or not.

• 9:48Hannah Berner?

  No, like, they're jumping like crazy and they land on their fucking head, and they have to get the camera away, because someone's just lying there, like, not moving. And you have to, there's always like five minutes of like, are they alive or not? The freaking girl on the half-pipe thing landed on the side of the half-pipe and like, almost guillotined her body in half. And I'm just trying to watch it, nice sport.

• 10:11Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm just trying to get through the day.

• 10:12Hannah Berner?

  And I feel like the Summer Olympics is not like this at all, they're just like jogging.

• 10:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 10:17Hannah Berner?

  And these ones.

• 10:18Paige DeSorbo?

  At least they get to jump in a pool every once in a while. They're doing, they're doing something called the butterfly, it's very beautiful.

• 10:26Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, they're getting a tan while they do it.

• 10:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 10:29Hannah Berner?

  And these people too, it's such niche sports, that like, they can't do it for a living, so these guys and women have like, full-time jobs. Like, they're like, she's a teacher by day, and at night, she does the double luge. Have you seen the, we need to do Hannah Paige try the double luge. You just have, you put someone on a luge, and then someone just sits on them. Who is like, you know what would make this better?

• 10:51Paige DeSorbo?

  If I can feel the weight of another human.

• 10:53Hannah Berner?

  It's actually your nightmare.

• 10:55Paige DeSorbo?

  That's my nightmare, the luge.

• 10:58Hannah Berner?

  And the physical touch.

• 10:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Being in that close of quarters, and your bodies have to be on the same, like, timing.

• 11:04Hannah Berner?

  Don't.

• 11:05Paige DeSorbo?

  No, they don't, well, they don't give.

• 11:08Hannah Berner?

  Not one sparkle.

• 11:09Paige DeSorbo?

  No, well, no, I meant like there's so.

• 11:12Hannah Berner?

  Oh, yeah, there's no room for error.

• 11:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, there's no like comfiness.

• 11:16Hannah Berner?

  You can't bloat without, there's no forgiveness. Anyway, how was your fashion week?

• 11:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Hi, how are you?

• 11:24Hannah Berner?

  How are you?

• 11:25Paige DeSorbo?

  My fashion week was good. I actually didn't do much this year because, um, well, I didn't want to.

• 11:33Paige DeSorbo?

  I was like, you know what? I have to go. But my Tresemme stuff was so fun and I went to the Christian Siriano show, but other than that, I really was like, I don't.

• 11:42Hannah Berner?

  You posted a cool outfit with like a zebra skirt today.

• 11:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 11:45Hannah Berner?

  I really like that.

• 11:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Town to like different stuff.

• 11:48Hannah Berner?

  Oh, okay. That was just, um.

• 11:50Paige DeSorbo?

  That was just like a man Tuesday.

• 11:52Hannah Berner?

  See, I loved that outfit.

• 11:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Thank you so much.

• 11:54Hannah Berner?

  I also love an outfit that you have coming out shortly, everyone. Stay.

• 11:58Paige DeSorbo?

  What?

• 11:58Hannah Berner?

  You have an outfit that you're gonna wear soon that's really good.

• 12:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, yeah, I do.

• 12:02Hannah Berner?

  Stay tuned.

• 12:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, so I sent Hannah an outfit picture of something for like in a couple of weeks and Hannah texted me back and she was like, look, I don't know if you want to hear this, but I love it.

• 12:12Paige DeSorbo?

  She was like, I don't know what that means, but, uh, take it as you will. I think it's gorgeous.

• 12:17Hannah Berner?

  The fact that I would wear the shit out of it, like, I don't know if that's gonna turn you off from it. I just, I'm very excited. I think it makes you look gorgeous.

• 12:26Paige DeSorbo?

  No, thank you.

• 12:28Hannah Berner?

  I saw Michael.

• 12:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Of course.

• 12:30Hannah Berner?

  Michael Kors.

• 12:31Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes, how was that?

• 12:33Hannah Berner?

  He's amazing. I didn't get to see him, but that was also my fault. I didn't go to the after party because I have social anxiety.

• 12:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 12:39Hannah Berner?

  But, um, they put me next to Tiffy and Brittany Broski.

• 12:43Paige DeSorbo?

  So you had a good seat.

• 12:44Hannah Berner?

  Incredible seat, but for some reason I was like, where I was sitting when everyone was walking in, I was like the first person people were seeing. So like, I became like the host. I became like the greeter. And they were like really.

• 12:58Paige DeSorbo?

  You were ushering people to their seats.

• 13:00Hannah Berner?

  Mary J Blige comes walking in, sees me and I go, hi, Mary. And then I'm like, am I supposed to get her water? Like I'm, I became the, like, I also think I have a welcoming face. Like I was in a good mood.

• 13:11Paige DeSorbo?

  No, you have an approachable, welcoming face and aura.

• 13:14Hannah Berner?

  So I was like, guys, I can't talk right now. I'm welcoming people into the show.

• 13:22Hannah Berner?

  So that was fun. Um, but it was a very cool group of people.

• 13:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, it looked it.

• 13:29Hannah Berner?

  Just, just really badass women.

• 13:32Paige DeSorbo?

  And how do you feel about your outfit and your hair and makeup?

• 13:33Hannah Berner?

  Like, well, people like went nuts over the trench coat. I do have to say, I think back in my day, I was like, I hate when people just say like, I look good. Love it. Love when you guys.

• 13:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Wouldn't, wouldn't.

• 13:44Hannah Berner?

  Didn't I say that back in the day?

• 13:45Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know, but like, what a crazy difference between you and I.

• 13:49Hannah Berner?

  I was like, look.

• 13:51Paige DeSorbo?

  You want to be seen for more of your art.

• 13:53Hannah Berner?

  Basically, the gigglers are so funny on my page and they still find a way to like make it funny, but they are complimenting me. And they loved the trench.

• 14:03Paige DeSorbo?

  I can't respond to them because I'm like, God forbid anyone ever screenshots this, but like, they're so funny.

• 14:10Hannah Berner?

  And then they entertain each other and they'll be like, wait, guys, these comments are really good. And then it keeps flowing. Like, I got crazy momentum of the funny comments on the trench coat one and the different ways they find to like compliment me, like, what did I do to deserve this? Like, I always feel like I'm not worthy. Um, but the gigglers loved it. I love a trench. Cause I feel, first of all, you sent shit.

• 14:31Paige DeSorbo?

  That's why we're sitting at this table today to really emphasize.

• 14:36Hannah Berner?

  Well, there's something about a trench. It really makes you, you feel investigative.

• 14:41Paige DeSorbo?

  No, you feel professional.

• 14:42Hannah Berner?

  You also feel like, like you're, you have secrets.

• 14:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, you feel like I have, clearly I have a schedule.

• 14:47Hannah Berner?

  Yes, you're on the move.

• 14:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Schedule.

• 14:49Hannah Berner?

  Schedule.

• 14:50Paige DeSorbo?

  You know, it's like, I'm in a trench and I'm a schedule.

• 14:53Hannah Berner?

  In case it rains, I am prepared. Like you just, I just felt really prepared. I also think my fashion would be better if I wore things that made me uncomfortable.

• 15:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 15:04Hannah Berner?

  And I happen to find that trenches are so fucking comfortable.

• 15:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Trench also gives like lost baby or dog coming up to you. Like, if you're a loss, you're going up to the person in a trench.

• 15:15Hannah Berner?

  And I'm pulling out like anything you need. Carmen Sandiego.

• 15:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. Yeah. You have like a pen and a notepad and you're ready.

• 15:20Hannah Berner?

  Yeah. Um, I actually also, when I was outside, there's always like fashion photographers and they kind of came out of nowhere. Because sometimes they don't come and then sometimes they do a little. This was crazy. And I think because I'm late all the time, like they all were bored and then they all started attacking me. I accidentally FaceTime Lois. So I'm holding my FaceTime, all these cameras. I hear Lois, what's happening? Like she, she was like, Hannah, are you okay?

• 15:50Hannah Berner?

  Lois.

• 15:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Like you FaceTimed like Lois's iPad or something?

• 15:54Hannah Berner?

  Or like Lois's mom.

• 15:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, oh, okay.

• 15:57Hannah Berner?

  And her mom was like, yeah, not today, Hannah.

• 16:00Paige DeSorbo?

  She's like, it's your aunt.

• 16:01Hannah Berner?

  And did I tell you that I was hanging out with Lois and I had, I wasn't wearing a lot of makeup? And then I did put on makeup and an outfit and I walked in and Lois, you know, she's observant.

• 16:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 16:12Hannah Berner?

  Oh, you're all excited.

• 16:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I'm excited.

• 16:14Hannah Berner?

  She looks at me.

• 16:15Paige DeSorbo?

  And she's like?

• 16:16Hannah Berner?

  And she says, you're gonna, I don't know where she learned this word. She goes, I'm concerned.

• 16:24Paige DeSorbo?

  That's my child. That's my baby.

• 16:26Hannah Berner?

  When I visited, she goes, Hannah, remember when you put on makeup and that outfit and I was concerned? Jeannie fell off the table.

• 16:34Paige DeSorbo?

  What was she concerned about?

• 16:36Hannah Berner?

  She, cause.

• 16:36Paige DeSorbo?

  She doesn't know what concerned means, but she knows it fits.

• 16:39Hannah Berner?

  She knew what it meant, as in like, she didn't like it. Like, I think it was jarring that I suddenly had a different outfit on and she didn't like it.

• 16:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Like your dad shaves his beard and you're a baby and you're like, you can't.

• 16:50Hannah Berner?

  Exactly. Exactly. So now when I put an outfit together, I send it to Lois and Lois liked the trench.

• 16:55Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, good. Wait, I'm obsessed with that. That's so sweet. That's so sweet.

• 17:02Hannah Berner?

  And I was getting my makeup done and she was, I have a daughter.

• 17:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 17:05Hannah Berner?

  And she was on FaceTime and she was obsessed with watching them put makeup on me. She's the girliest girl. I mean.

• 17:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Seeing kids, like seeing things through kids' eyes for the first time, it's, like, I get the whole motherhood thing.

• 17:21Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 17:21Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, no, I get it.

• 17:22Hannah Berner?

  But then like when she gets like upset about something, I'm like, I gotta go.

• 17:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, autumn in New York is the season where we can finally start dressing again. Every single thing is an excuse to put on a look. Going to work? Outfit. Leading a meeting? Outfit. Getting drinks with your friends? Obviously outfit. And as we all know, every great outfit starts from the feet up. That is why I'm currently obsessed with Ali's from Sam Edelman. They're a ballet flat, but a little something extra for fall. A contrasting velvet cap toe, I have them in this gorgeous azure blue, which is like a dusty muted blue that somehow goes with everything, even Daffy. These eyes, they're so cute and I'm already envisioning my next outfit. Straight leg jeans, an oversized blazer and a little shoulder bag. Very, I just threw this on when we all know I absolutely did not. And Hannah is loving hers too.

• 18:11Paige DeSorbo?

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• 18:52Paige DeSorbo?

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• 19:34Paige DeSorbo?

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• 21:02Paige DeSorbo?

  For millions of people, it's not just anxiety. That's OCD, and most of them have no idea. Real OCD is persistent, unwanted intrusive thoughts that feel totally out of character, along with mental or physical behaviors you feel driven to do to get relief. And these thoughts can feel very real, which makes them so upsetting. OCD is highly treatable with the right kind of specialized therapy. It needs ERP, Exposure and Response Prevention Therapy, proven to be the most effective treatment. NoCD is the world's leading provider of OCD treatment, covered by insurance for over 138 million Americans. Licensed therapists specialize in ERP therapy in live, face-to-face, virtual sessions with support between sessions so you're never facing OCD alone.

• 21:46Paige DeSorbo?

  If you're struggling with OCD or unrelenting intrusive thoughts, NoCD can help. Book a free 15-minute call to get started at learn.nocd.com/giggly. I do have one thing. I've been watching TikToks of Cardi B's concert, and I have decided that I want to go to that concert.

• 22:05Hannah Berner?

  You know Cardi B's my everything.

• 22:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, I need to go to it.

• 22:08Hannah Berner?

  Do you know that when I first got on reality TV and people were like, "This is not a good idea"? I use Cardi B as an example of what I want to be. Well, Cardi B was on Love and Hip Hop and now she's the number one selling rap artist.

• 22:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, that's so true.

• 22:24Hannah Berner?

  And I was like, you do the math. And they were like, I don't know how you have to do with Cardi B. And I was like, we're both from New York.

• 22:30Paige DeSorbo?

  The song she's playing at the concert was what I pre-gamed to. Like, my whole twenties of like, socializing, I feel like revolved around Cardi B.

• 22:40Hannah Berner?

  Ah, she's so good. And she is, like, you can't like, away from her as a performer.

• 22:45Paige DeSorbo?

  And I Googled her the other day. We're the exact same age.

• 22:48Hannah Berner?

  Really?

• 22:50Paige DeSorbo?

  And then that made me feel really inadequate. I was like, she has three babies, multiple Grammys. She went to the Super Bowl, broke up with her boyfriend at the Super Bowl. Like, what was that?

• 23:05Hannah Berner?

  She's busy. Oh, yeah, I don't, I don't know, but I'm on her side, whatever happened.

• 23:09Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I'm on her side. And all I can think about was, and I don't know why this quote's sticking out in my head, but Stefan Diggs, like, when they first started dating, said, like, let me heal you. And I knew in that moment that he was gonna do some really crazy shit.

• 23:22Hannah Berner?

  Also, how do you find time to cheat during football season? I mean, I guess that's what they do, but like, it's exhausting. It's like-

• 23:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. I don't know. When men have, like, jobs, also, like, so public.

• 23:33Hannah Berner?

  So public.

• 23:34Paige DeSorbo?

  It's like, wow, you really don't give a fuck.

• 23:36Hannah Berner?

  No, and you knew Cardi B was gonna find out.

• 23:38Paige DeSorbo?

  So anyway, I wanna give her money and go to her concert.

• 23:41Hannah Berner?

  I would love to. Let's go to, let's see Cardi.

• 23:44Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm gonna look up some, like, not right now.

• 23:46Hannah Berner?

  Do it after the pod.

• 23:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Actually, I'm gonna look it up right now. I was going through my notes.

• 23:52Hannah Berner?

  Which refresher are you drinking?

• 23:54Paige DeSorbo?

  I have the strawberry dragon fruit refresher with sparkling water.

• 23:58Hannah Berner?

  Love, I have the mango pineapple refresher with less concentrate and green tea.

• 24:02Paige DeSorbo?

  I drink a lot today.

• 24:04Hannah Berner?

  I also watched something. I feel like I'm like, ahead of the game.

• 24:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait.

• 24:08Hannah Berner?

  I watched the entire Tyra Banks documentary.

• 24:13Paige DeSorbo?

  If that's what it is, because I started it, I started it earlier.

• 24:17Hannah Berner?

  Holy shit.

• 24:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, break it down.

• 24:18Hannah Berner?

  I have so many thoughts. First of all, I didn't realize how much I watched it. Because every clip, I recognized a girl. Like, these girls were iconic, all of them.

• 24:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Like when Shandee cheated on her boyfriend.

• 24:30Hannah Berner?

  Also, I wanted to note, when was this? Like, 2010? Like, when did it start?

• 24:35Paige DeSorbo?

  No, way earlier.

• 24:36Hannah Berner?

  Earlier. Okay, yeah, 2000s. No girls had filler. Right. Or botox. Right, especially in their twenties. It was a crazy time where every, people had small lips. Yeah. People had, like, people had People could wrinkle. A certain shaped chin. Yeah. And it actually like made me yearn for that time of like, if they did America's Next Top Model now, all the girls would look similar. That's very true. And yeah, it's like, oh, she's, she's a brunette, or she has black hair, she's short, she has long hair. But a lot of girls have just the same beauty ideal now, where back then, she would find these girls that you're like, unique looking, and then next thing you know, you're like, they're a supermodel. Yeah.

• 25:18Hannah Berner?

  So the craziest thing from it was basically, and there's so many crazy things. First of all- Wait, how many parts? There's three episodes. Okay. The craziest thing is that Tyra is like narrating, but it's kind of a hit piece on Tyra. And Tyra doesn't know. Like, Jay Manuel basically says he tried to quit after ten seasons. And she basically responded saying like, I'm disappointed. And they were best friends. And then he ends up, the network begs him to come back. He's like, fine. She doesn't talk to him, not on camera, the entire time. So then they go, Tara, what happened with Jay? And she's like, I'm not talking about it. She won't talk about it in the documentary? In the documentary.

• 26:03Hannah Berner?

  So something happened? He basically was like, I was psychologically abused after that. Um, but no, the tea's crazy, but then- From the woman who brought us hot ice cream. Also, people don't talk enough about Miss Jay. Do you remember Miss Jay? Of course. The runway extraordinaire. That chemistry of the three of them was just magical. And then they threw in Nigel Barker, who's like the hottest Australian guy. And they were really magic. But Tyra pitched this show from just an idea of like, I want to show that the modeling industry can be open to more diversity. Yeah. And it's not just this one look. She really was like the pioneer of that, though, I will say. So a lot of the stuff that she had dealt with in the industry, people think like, she wasn't fully healed from it all, and then she was trying to like-

• 26:48Hannah Berner?

  Solve it and fix it.

• 26:50Paige DeSorbo?

  I definitely didn't realize back then that the show was her idea. I always thought she like some, she was just the host and then like she became a producer that it was like.

• 26:59Hannah Berner?

  She like pitched everyone and they all said no.

• 27:02Paige DeSorbo?

  So much money off of that.

• 27:03Hannah Berner?

  Well, then it became like every country. Every country, yeah. Then I started realizing like it got to the point after it got so popular, they just had to make things crazier and crazier. And it was, it stopped being about like creating great models. It was just for like crazy moments. And also they're clearly not picking the best photos from these photo shoots. Like they'd pick a photo and be like, your neck looks bad, your hand looks bad. I'm like, then don't pick that photo. Like as someone who's done a photo shoot, there'll be one good photo from the whole thing. And it's like, yeah, obviously I blinked. Sorry, I blinked. So that was crazy. Um, and they just always had the cameras going. And it's classic reality TV where they would pick stories for each girl. And it's like, they'd be like, you're the fat one.

• 27:49Hannah Berner?

  No, and she's like, you're, and this girl's like, I'm, and the girl's really skinny. And they're like, you're fat. And they'd show up and they'd be like, did you eat a lot of dinner last night? And the girl would be like, what? But like that, she realized like, oh, that's a story there, the narrative they're putting on me. And then you had this one girl eat a, eat a bagel. And they kept show, re-showing her eating this bagel, trying to make it like she just couldn't stop eating bagels. And she was like, it was one bagel. I ate one bagel once. And I was like, I get it, girl. I get it, girl. But no, it was fucked up. There were many horrible things that happened on the show. It is, look, there is a little bit of a reality TV reckoning that is happening where like, we're looking back being like, oh, we abused the hell out of these people.

• 28:33Hannah Berner?

  And the truth is a lot of these girls were like coming from like small jobs. Like this one girl worked at Walgreens. She's like, my life's gonna change. But some of their lives got worse after, um, from the trauma from the show. And then. Basically, the fashion industry did not respect whoever won America's Next Top Model. So some of the winners were like,

• 28:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Right, yeah, if you think about it.

• 28:57Hannah Berner?

  They got nothing. They got nothing.

• 28:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 29:00Hannah Berner?

  I think it's unique that me and you are talking about as two reality TVers.

• 29:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 29:04Hannah Berner?

  There's certain people that if they don't like how you got there, they'll never respect you.

• 29:09Paige DeSorbo?

  I mean, I feel like I could count on my hand the number of people that have crossed over from reality TV to mainstream television. Really, actually, I'm actually drawing a blank.

• 29:22Hannah Berner?

  Kim Kardashian?

• 29:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Would you say she's mainstream, like,

• 29:27Hannah Berner?

  Actor.

• 29:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Actress, though?

• 29:28Hannah Berner?

  She's working on it.

• 29:29Paige DeSorbo?

  She's working on it, but and that's 20 years later.

• 29:32Hannah Berner?

  And what's funny, you know, Eva,

• 29:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes. Oh, yes, I would say she's the biggest one.

• 29:36Hannah Berner?

  But she became reality. She went on to do reality. She went on Housewives. But maybe she did act before that.

• 29:43Paige DeSorbo?

  She did.

• 29:44Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 29:45Paige DeSorbo?

  No, she didn't. She still does.

• 29:46Hannah Berner?

  There were like a handful of girls, but they did 25 cycles, babe. 25.

• 29:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, my God.

• 29:54Hannah Berner?

  Then, do you remember the insane makeovers?

• 29:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 29:56Hannah Berner?

  Which, again, we loved a makeover during that time. And it started just being like, we're bleaching her hair, we're cutting her hair short, and girls sobbing. Then they started doing dental work.

• 30:08Paige DeSorbo?

  What?

• 30:09Hannah Berner?

  One girl was in the dentist's office for 24 hours. They like fucked up her teeth. She like, her jaw is like never gonna be the same. She has a problem with her bite.

• 30:19Paige DeSorbo?

  They gave her like veneers?

• 30:22Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, they shaved her teeth down. Yeah. And then another one had a gap. And Tyra basically was like, I'm voting you off unless you fix your gap. And the girl's like, I love my gap. And it's so funny, Tyra's like, you'll never be in a campaign with a gap, even though now, get the London look, like that's all about.

• 30:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Revlon, get the London look.

• 30:46Hannah Berner?

  Get the London look. But then the next season.

• 30:49Paige DeSorbo?

  That was diabolical.

• 30:51Hannah Berner?

  The next season, she's telling a girl to get a gap because it'd be more iconic. So it was just like.

• 30:57Paige DeSorbo?

  No, a lot of fuckery.

• 30:58Hannah Berner?

  It was a lot of fuckery, but the truth is, is.

• 31:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, reality TV is just such an interesting beast in itself. I think it's so funny how they're, not funny, but it's fascinating to watch the disconnect from reality TV to the viewer. Like, there is such a crazy disconnect. Like when you're watching a scripted show, you're like, and they're acting. I'm not going to go on their Instagram and be like, you fucking suck because you play Steven on Tell Me Lies. Like you can detach that that's an actor.

• 31:29Hannah Berner?

  Yep.

• 31:30Paige DeSorbo?

  But with reality TV, people can't do that because you're like, no, you did that. And it's like, okay, but I didn't edit it like that. And there's just, I don't know why there's such a disconnect, especially because we live in a world where it's like there's social media and it's like, we find out the truth about everything, no matter what. People will like, break things down. But reality TV is just like.

• 31:54Hannah Berner?

  They haven't figured it out.

• 31:55Paige DeSorbo?

  They haven't figured it out.

• 31:56Hannah Berner?

  Because the viewers, we don't want to know the truth.

• 32:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 32:00Hannah Berner?

  Even if when people are like, this is what happened. It's like, no, no, no. Because then I'm an idiot.

• 32:05Paige DeSorbo?

  It's a version of what happened.

• 32:07Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 32:07Paige DeSorbo?

  But it's not fully what happened.

• 32:09Hannah Berner?

  There's, there's a scene when Tara.

• 32:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Tyra?

• 32:13Hannah Berner?

  Tyra is yelling like, I was rooting for you. And that went viral. But then they basically said like, it was so much worse.

• 32:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 32:22Hannah Berner?

  And obviously the scene got cut down. Like whenever you guys see like a horrible scene that lasts two minutes, that could have been an hour long of chaos.

• 32:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 32:31Hannah Berner?

  So that's where like. That's my biggest thing with reality TV is like, there are things that are said that really affect people's reactions, but you never see it.

• 32:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 32:39Hannah Berner?

  Um, one thing also that was just horrible was this girl who worked for Walgreens. The one who cheated.

• 32:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, Shandy.

• 32:46Hannah Berner?

  Trigger warning, she was assayed. And then in the morning, they were like filming her, like you have to call him. Then she had to film the guy, her calling the guy, asking if he had a STD. Like, this is like the most traumatizing things ever and there's a power dynamic here.

• 33:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 33:01Hannah Berner?

  You're not gonna tell a producer.

• 33:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 33:04Hannah Berner?

  No.

• 33:05Paige DeSorbo?

  It's like, okay, well, we'll replace you in a second.

• 33:07Hannah Berner?

  Then they get off the show. And she even was like, I wanna go home. And then they're like, fine, you can call your boyfriend. Like, there's, there's a power dynamic where these girls are not actors with agents in a TV show where they can say, I don't feel comfortable with that.

• 33:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 33:22Hannah Berner?

  You are just being forced around.

• 33:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Let's, not to mention, they were probably, what, twenty-two, twenty-three? Maybe they were twen- one was twenty-five or twenty-six.

• 33:32Hannah Berner?

  They were babies. Well, one of them was getting inappropriately touched by a male model. And she was like, what would Tyra do? Tyra would respectfully speak up. And she spoke up and they were like, you need to learn how to deal with that. It was like, it was chaos. It was pure, but we were younger watching that stuff. And don't you remember the scene when she cheated, like how traumatizing that was?

• 33:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 33:54Hannah Berner?

  So then she tried to like fix her relationship and she said she'd be walking down the street and people would yell at her, cheater, whore, slut, and they had to break up.

• 34:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 34:05Hannah Berner?

  So anyway, um, what's the tea?

• 34:08Paige DeSorbo?

  So anyhow, wait, I can't wait to go home and watch that.

• 34:12Hannah Berner?

  It's really good, but it is.

• 34:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, do you think Tyra's pissed?

• 34:15Hannah Berner?

  I think Tyra's in Australia.

• 34:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 34:19Hannah Berner?

  Tyra's in Australia.

• 34:20Paige DeSorbo?

  She's married, right? She just got, she got married like recently, I feel like, in the past couple of years, moved to Australia, started hot, ice cream.

• 34:28Hannah Berner?

  Yeah. But it is interesting how, I do think she became this character.

• 34:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Like this like ho- this like mean.

• 34:35Hannah Berner?

  Ooh.

• 34:40Paige DeSorbo?

  It's like mean hoax.

• 34:41Hannah Berner?

  This like know her of all, like very powerful, like Caesar character.

• 34:47Paige DeSorbo?

  When she talks, she talks like mystical. Do you know what I mean?

• 34:50Hannah Berner?

  She likes to keep it slow.

• 34:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, like.

• 34:54Hannah Berner?

  And talk like this, I believed in you.

• 34:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, stuff like that.

• 34:57Hannah Berner?

  I trusted you. And then she smizes.

• 35:00Paige DeSorbo?

  That makes me uncomfortable.

• 35:01Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, but it is.

• 35:02Paige DeSorbo?

  But none of this would have even happened had COVID not happened. Because people didn't really go back and like re-watch and be like, that was kind of fucked up until we were like locked in the house.

• 35:13Hannah Berner?

  That's what Tyra said.

• 35:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Really?

• 35:15Hannah Berner?

  She was like during COVID, everyone started seeing it from a new perspective.

• 35:19Paige DeSorbo?

  That's when I first started seeing like, this was not cool.

• 35:23Hannah Berner?

  But the second it aired, people were addicted. I, you know, it was good if I watched it because it had to be like super popular for me to find something.

• 35:32Paige DeSorbo?

  It was on the CW, I think.

• 35:34Hannah Berner?

  Yeah. And all the girls are just like in this house.

• 35:38Paige DeSorbo?

  I loved it because I loved anything like super girly like that.

• 35:42Hannah Berner?

  Well, you also probably wanted to go on it.

• 35:44Paige DeSorbo?

  So badly. I wanted to go on it so bad. I think they even did like a model search in at like my local mall. But I was like, my mom was like, no, you're not going to that.

• 35:57Hannah Berner?

  Malls are for shopping. I realized something.

• 36:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, before you say that, can I just go to one of your note things that does condoms at the Olympics? Because I'm just like, would love to know the thought process.

• 36:10Hannah Berner?

  Oh, I have, I have the gossip about it.

• 36:11Paige DeSorbo?

  About the.

• 36:12Hannah Berner?

  I feel like Giggly Squad is me just going around the world, trying to figure out stuff and then being like, guys, this is what I figured out.

• 36:18Paige DeSorbo?

  And then you're just telling me.

• 36:19Hannah Berner?

  So. Everyone's like, oh, they went through 10,000 condoms at the Olympics. Apparently there's boxes around and the Olympians, I think one of the ice skaters was saying.

• 36:31Hannah Berner?

  The Olympians take it to like, give it as gifts to people. Like, it's like a souvenir.

• 36:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Does it say 2026 Olympics on it?

• 36:37Hannah Berner?

  So it's like a funny souvenir. So like, they're not going through it. They're all just like, taking it home. I mean, I do think-

• 36:43Paige DeSorbo?

  I didn't know that was a story.

• 36:44Hannah Berner?

  Well, they say the Olympians, like, it gets crazy in the Olympic Village. They're all just like, hooking up with all this testosterone.

• 36:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Now, there's a reality TV show.

• 36:52Hannah Berner?

  A hundred percent. However, I also know a lot of these athletes are weird about sex and competition, where they're like-

• 36:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Won't do it before?

• 37:00Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, like, they don't want to feel weaker or something. Which is such a man thing.

• 37:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, it takes your adrenaline away?

• 37:06Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, or like, your energy that you might need.

• 37:09Paige DeSorbo?

  I'd be like, "Trust me, I'm not gonna come anyway. You're gonna be fine. I'll be fine."

• 37:13Hannah Berner?

  It's only the men that are like, "I can't do this before."

• 37:16Paige DeSorbo?

  It's like, okay, have some mental brain power.

• 37:19Hannah Berner?

  I told you, there was this track guy at Wisconsin that, he was like, "I can't, I can't orgasm." And I was like, "You're like a loaded gun right now."

• 37:27Paige DeSorbo?

  With a woman?

• 37:30Hannah Berner?

  He told me he doesn't jerk off. And he was like, crazy. Like, we'd kiss and he'd be like, "Ahhhh." And I was like, "You need to go to the bathroom and deal with that yourself."

• 37:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, that's so uncomfortable.

• 37:41Hannah Berner?

  He was literally a loaded gun walking around. And I was like, "Just jerk off. That's your only problem." But, or people get superstitious about it.

• 37:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 37:50Hannah Berner?

  The athletes. It's like-

• 37:51Paige DeSorbo?

  I think I can.

• 37:52Hannah Berner?

  I realize that Landman and Yellowstone-

• 37:57Paige DeSorbo?

  Same guy.

• 37:57Hannah Berner?

  Not the same show.

• 37:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Not the same show, but the same person wrote both.

• 38:02Hannah Berner?

  What's the difference?

• 38:03Paige DeSorbo?

  One is on a ranch, like a, you know, like a ranch. And then another one's like, about an oil rig, like, on like, in Texas.

• 38:14Hannah Berner?

  An oil ranch?

• 38:15Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 38:17Hannah Berner?

  So one's an oil ranch and one's a not oil ranch?

• 38:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Yellowstone's better than Landman.

• 38:22Hannah Berner?

  Oh.

• 38:23Paige DeSorbo?

  I would say. But Landman's only like, two seasons.

• 38:26Hannah Berner?

  Landman's getting some, like, good chatter about it.

• 38:29Paige DeSorbo?

  No, it's definitely a good show. I mean, the guy that wrote it- He's basically like a version of my like lord and savior, Shonda Rhimes. He just must crunch Adderall and write these shows.

• 38:40Hannah Berner?

  Speaking of reality TV, Kazee Randolph, the winner of Colton's season. Who we love. Her sister's Michelle Randolph starring in that. There is something about someone getting famous on reality TV and then their sister.

• 38:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Sibling.

• 38:56Hannah Berner?

  Their sibling.

• 38:57Paige DeSorbo?

  Going mainstream.

• 38:58Hannah Berner?

  Using that fame but going mainstream because they weren't on reality TV.

• 39:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. No pivoting careers, I feel like are, we don't talk about that.

• 39:06Hannah Berner?

  I love pivoting careers. I'll do it tomorrow.

• 39:08Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I love to see people that have like pivoted. You have to, you have to keep evolving.

• 39:13Hannah Berner?

  That's why I don't play pickleball. Cause I'm afraid once I start, I'm gonna get hooked. Cause I actually have a lot of friends who are on the pickleball tour right now.

• 39:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Since I stay on Colton's neck and I haven't even watched Traitors this season. I did see a thing where they filmed the reunion and it was actually Lisa Rinna like did an Instagram story. And she was basically like, I brought up what you all wanted me to bring up. Now, if you, again, if you see it, I have no idea like how it will be edited. But the rumor is, is that he walked out of the reunion and then like came back and no one could.

• 39:45Hannah Berner?

  If I had a nickel.

• 39:46Paige DeSorbo?

  And no one could bring up that he's a stalker. Like, I don't know. Isn't that crazy?

• 39:52Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 39:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Men get away with anything at a reunion, truly.

• 39:56Hannah Berner?

  Rinna's getting ahead of it.

• 39:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, well, because she's a reality TV queen.

• 40:00Hannah Berner?

  She knows what to do. She knows.

• 40:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Exactly. She knows what the people wanna see. She knows what the kids wanna see.

• 40:08Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, I'm still, the problem with Traitors recently is that they voted off Candace.

• 40:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 40:14Hannah Berner?

  It's left with the quieter personalities, even though Maura is not quiet and no one's showing Maura.

• 40:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, you know what else is interesting that I feel like happened during COVID? People went on like real tirades for reality TV of like, get rid of the villain. And it's like, okay, but if we get rid of like your so-called villain.

• 40:35Hannah Berner?

  There will not be a show.

• 40:37Paige DeSorbo?

  You know?

• 40:38Hannah Berner?

  Well, what they don't realize is when you cut the head off a villain, another villain needs to come.

• 40:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 40:42Hannah Berner?

  There always has to be a villain.

• 40:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 40:44Hannah Berner?

  And, and people, yeah, they loved being like, this person's the problem.

• 40:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 40:49Hannah Berner?

  But then how come there's problems every season?

• 40:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, like there's gonna be, yeah, and that person's gone.

• 40:53Hannah Berner?

  Do the math. Carry the one.

• 40:55Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 40:56Hannah Berner?

  It's fine by two.

• 40:58Paige DeSorbo?

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• 44:42Hannah Berner?

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• 45:38Hannah Berner?

  Another random thought.

• 45:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, and then I have something.

• 45:41Hannah Berner?

  Oh, you go first.

• 45:43Paige DeSorbo?

  So the other night, Dez, your husband, if you didn't know who I was talking about, Dez wanted to come to my building to use one of my amenities, to use my cold plunge. And I said, Dez, I actually made dinner. Would you like to have dinner after, like, you use the cold plunge? He got, like, he got off a flight, I think. He got off a flight. He never ended up using the cold plunge, and he came and he had dinner at my apartment.

• 46:15Hannah Berner?

  Well, I find out that behind my back Paige is cooking homemade meals for my husband because he's not getting taken care of right now. Let's be honest.

• 46:23Paige DeSorbo?

  I made a bolognese.

• 46:25Hannah Berner?

  Well, he texts me thinking, I don't know what's going on. He's like, hey, Paige asked me to go to dinner. I'm like, you don't think I know these things? You're the last to know.

• 46:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, I've been trying. My goal that I set in January, but I didn't start till February, which it's okay to start your 2026 goals in any month.

• 46:43Hannah Berner?

  Normalize.

• 46:44Paige DeSorbo?

  It doesn't have to be in January, and if you don't start it in January, it's not like you can't do it.

• 46:48Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 46:48Paige DeSorbo?

  And I wanted to make something, cook something once a week. And Sunday just seems to be the easiest.

• 46:56Hannah Berner?

  Well, Sunday sauce.

• 46:57Paige DeSorbo?

  To do because you have all day to, like, mess it up and, like, try something else. So I made bolognese for the first time.

• 47:03Hannah Berner?

  Did he compliment it?

• 47:05Paige DeSorbo?

  He did, but here's the thing, it was like a little. It was like a little bit watery and my mom was like, well, why didn't you call me and ask me what I like? And I was like, because I was trying to do it on my own, you know?

• 47:15Hannah Berner?

  And she's like, no babe, don't try to be a hero.

• 47:18Paige DeSorbo?

  And I realized it's really hard to cook.

• 47:21Hannah Berner?

  I love like when your mom is cooking a meal you love and you're like, one day I'm gonna do it. And you're watching it. It seems so easy. It seems so simple. And then when you're alone, you're just scared.

• 47:30Paige DeSorbo?

  She makes everything look so easy.

• 47:32Hannah Berner?

  Oh, Kim. Everyone loved the Paige and Hannah Try New Things with Kim and it was one of my favorite episodes.

• 47:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you know that my dad re-watches it probably at least every other night? He says, can you bring up the YouTube?

• 47:43Hannah Berner?

  I love him so much. Also, Kim did not let us touch the food. And at that point, I was like, oh, this is her art. And she's like, don't disrespect my art in my own home. And I was like, go off, Kim.

• 47:55Paige DeSorbo?

  I didn't really break that down, you know, like she really, she really was like, don't touch anything, you'll mess it up.

• 48:06Hannah Berner?

  Maybe she'll give us another try, but I don't think we've like proved anything to her since. No, we've probably proved less.

• 48:14Paige DeSorbo?

  If anything, she was like, I was worried about you too.

• 48:15Hannah Berner?

  This weekend, I actually, you know, tour can be lonely, as you know.

• 48:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 48:20Hannah Berner?

  And you know, me and Ally are just running around.

• 48:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 48:23Hannah Berner?

  Now, when Ally gossips to me, she has to decide if she wants you to know about it or not.

• 48:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Are you kidding me?

• 48:28Hannah Berner?

  Which is so annoying because I told her, one, you don't remember anything.

• 48:31Paige DeSorbo?

  One, I don't remember anything.

• 48:32Hannah Berner?

  Two, you don't care. Three, who are you gonna tell? No, we got in a fight in the car. She looks at me, she goes, oh my God, wait, you're gonna tell Paige, aren't you? And I was like, yes, but it doesn't matter.

• 48:44Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 48:44Hannah Berner?

  And then, and then I tried to lie to her and say I wasn't gonna tell you. And then she goes, now I feel like you're lying to me. And I go, well, I am. And I want to have trust in this friendship. I am gonna tell Paige, but Paige is not relevant.

• 48:55Paige DeSorbo?

  The only time I get nervous about that is, of course, people say, you can't tell anyone. And I'm like, I'm not gonna tell anyone. And then like you're by proxy who I'm gonna tell. The only time I get worried, the only time, is that you're...

• 49:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Gonna accidentally think like something's funny and you'll slip it in and say something? And then you'll be like, I wasn't supposed to say that.

• 49:21Hannah Berner?

  That's Hannah in her twenties.

• 49:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 49:23Hannah Berner?

  I've grown.

• 49:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 49:24Hannah Berner?

  I also, I was so proud of myself because Ally told me a secret about something. And then one of our other friends called her and Ally looked at me because she started bringing up the topic. And I didn't, I actually kept the secret.

• 49:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 49:37Hannah Berner?

  And she afterwards was so proud of me. And I was like, I've never kept a secret before. And it actually felt so good. So I'm getting trust with Ally.

• 49:45Paige DeSorbo?

  No, it really does feel good.

• 49:47Hannah Berner?

  That I, I was like, yeah, I'm not going around telling your business because, but I am telling it to Paige. I am telling it to Des and my mom.

• 49:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Count.

• 49:54Hannah Berner?

  You don't.

• 49:55Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't.

• 49:56Hannah Berner?

  You actually, you're so funny. You'll be about to tell me something and then you'll be like, yeah, who are you gonna tell? And then you'll be like, you don't fucking know anyone and you'll just say it.

• 50:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Who are you going to, you tell them, like whoever you're going to tell, it doesn't matter.

• 50:10Hannah Berner?

  You have to know in your gossip like webs, what hits a dead end. Like you're a dead end for me. Like once it tell you, it dies there.

• 50:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Here's one thing that people don't talk enough about too, how like women are so smart. If I want someone to know something, now that's, that's like strategic gossip where you're like, I know if I tell this person, she's not gonna keep her damn mouth shut. And I know it's gonna get back to this person and I want that person to know.

• 50:39Hannah Berner?

  And that's.

• 50:40Paige DeSorbo?

  And it's usually just, I want them to know, I don't fuck with them.

• 50:42Hannah Berner?

  That's the strategies of war that you're discussing. Like you literally are playing chess.

• 50:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Hey, let me plant this seed with that person that I fucking hate them.

• 50:51Hannah Berner?

  No, it's, that is, that is smart actually. And I'm so scared of you sometimes.

• 50:58Hannah Berner?

  Anyway, we're on the road.

• 51:00Paige DeSorbo?

  And anyway, have camaraderie with Ally. Yeah.

• 51:03Hannah Berner?

  I had a, we had, I had such a fun show in DC and Philly. Last night, I go to Long Island and I'm tired.

• 51:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 51:10Hannah Berner?

  Third city, three days in a row. Long Island is so fucking funny. First of all, the stage was like a circle. So it was like Gladiator, like, but like for clowns. Walk in and two guys are sitting next to each other and you know that pisses me off more than anything.

• 51:26Paige DeSorbo?

  You know, the first standup I ever saw was, I was gonna say Dave Matthews Band. What is the guy?

• 51:32Hannah Berner?

  Dave Chappelle.

• 51:33Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 51:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Who's the guy that like got a bunch of plastic surgery and now he doesn't?

• 51:37Hannah Berner?

  Oh Dane Cook.

• 51:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Dane Cook. And he was on a circle stage and I always think of it anytime I see a circle stage.

• 51:43Hannah Berner?

  Everyone's like growing up, the double fuck you.

• 51:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 51:46Hannah Berner?

  I think I have to shoot a special in a circular stage.

• 51:49Paige DeSorbo?

  My CDs are in his car.

• 51:50Hannah Berner?

  My CDs are in his car.

• 51:51Paige DeSorbo?

  You actually said that to me so many.

• 51:55Hannah Berner?

  I'm sorry, like that special was iconic. I don't give a fuck what anyone says. I almost dressed up as Dane Cook for Halloween.

• 52:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Don't. We've got enough going on with him.

• 52:05Hannah Berner?

  So anyway, also I don't know what he's up to anymore.

• 52:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Some, oh, the last I heard, like his brother like stole all his money or something crazy. Yeah.

• 52:16Hannah Berner?

  So I was in the middle, I see these two guys sitting next to each other and I'm like, if you guys aren't gay, we're gonna have a problem. And the guy, this Long Island kid is so funny. He's like, you know, I had a date, but then she saw me on one of those Facebook pages.

• 52:32Paige DeSorbo?

  Am I dating the same person?

• 52:34Hannah Berner?

  Yeah. And everyone goes, oh, then another girl.

• 52:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Are those real?

• 52:37Hannah Berner?

  Yeah. Another girl starts speaking up, like it becomes full Judge Judy and like the Long Island girls are like, we'll take care of this for you Hannah. And this girl goes, I know him and I know he was talking to my whatever. And he's like, I'm, I'm.

• 52:49Paige DeSorbo?

  It's always happened in the Northeast.

• 52:51Hannah Berner?

  I just met someone. I'm talking to multiple people and it got all, it was Jerry Springer, but it was very, very funny. But then because it's a round, I decided I have a victim, right? Like he's my victim. I'm gonna like tear this guy apart the whole time. Cause like, but he's loving it.

• 53:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 53:06Hannah Berner?

  Matt, typical Matt.

• 53:09Hannah Berner?

  But at one point I'm going, I'm talking in the round and then I literally am trying to find Matt.

• 53:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 53:14Hannah Berner?

  I got lost. Like, cause everything.

• 53:16Paige DeSorbo?

  You got motion sickness.

• 53:17Hannah Berner?

  Motion sickness. Couldn't find Matt and I was like, did he leave? And they're like, no, he's over there. Couldn't find my footing. And then.

• 53:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, you have no directional awareness.

• 53:25Hannah Berner?

  Exactly.

• 53:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, you don't drive.

• 53:26Hannah Berner?

  I didn't know where I was from the beginning. How was I gonna find my way home?

• 53:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 53:29Hannah Berner?

  So then.

• 53:30Paige DeSorbo?

  It's a circle.

• 53:31Hannah Berner?

  It's a circle. But then everyone could see each other and guess who was there? Full family, mom, dad, nana, papa. So everyone's staring.

• 53:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Yours?

• 53:39Hannah Berner?

  Yeah. Everyone's staring at my parents while making like insane jokes about like sexting.

• 53:46Hannah Berner?

  In front of my dad and my nan is there and at one point I just have to shout it out. And everyone starts chanting, "Nana."

• 53:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, that's so sweet.

• 53:54Hannah Berner?

  She's like, "I can't hear anything. What are they saying?" After Threads, they said, "Justice for Nana." And she just wants that you guys know, she loves the fans, she loves all of you. She wishes she could make you all a chicken parmigiana.

• 54:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Whatever happened with the Threads thing?

• 54:08Hannah Berner?

  The gigglers.

• 54:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Took care of it?

• 54:10Hannah Berner?

  Took care of it.

• 54:11Paige DeSorbo?

  No, they're literally like henchmen.

• 54:13Hannah Berner?

  Well, I mean, she's a... People are bullying grandma. Like, we all have to put our foot down at some point.

• 54:19Paige DeSorbo?

  No, it's insane.

• 54:20Hannah Berner?

  But I don't think she even knows that happened on Threads. We try to protect her from...

• 54:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Honestly, I'm thirty-two... Thirty-three. I'm thirty-three and I don't even know how to work Threads. Like, if something was happening about me on Threads, I'd have no idea.

• 54:33Hannah Berner?

  Thank God.

• 54:35Paige DeSorbo?

  And I need that piece.

• 54:36Hannah Berner?

  But the problem with Threads, because of the algorithm, it recommends the worst things for me when I'm scrolling Instagram. So it'll be like, me looking at like chrome lamps and cats, and then suddenly it's like... The person I hate most in this world.

• 54:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Said the dumbest joke.

• 54:53Hannah Berner?

  Said the stupidest thing about you.

• 54:56Hannah Berner?

  And then I have to be like, "Don't recommend." So, um... Yeah, the phones are killing us slowly. Now, this brings me to the most important point of the night.

• 55:06Hannah Berner?

  Oysters.

• 55:08Hannah Berner?

  Do you like oysters? In your heart of hearts. Like, you would never last meal an oyster.

• 55:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Never. If I really broke it down, what I like is vinegar. I like the accoutrement.

• 55:21Hannah Berner?

  It's the vehicle for...

• 55:23Paige DeSorbo?

  The sauce.

• 55:24Hannah Berner?

  The sauce.

• 55:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 55:25Hannah Berner?

  Now, I would argue. I like clams better.

• 55:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, yeah.

• 55:29Hannah Berner?

  They're sweet. They're cute.

• 55:31Paige DeSorbo?

  They're small.

• 55:32Hannah Berner?

  They're small. They're adorable.

• 55:34Paige DeSorbo?

  They go in pastas.

• 55:35Hannah Berner?

  You can't put an oyster in a pasta.

• 55:36Paige DeSorbo?

  No, you can't.

• 55:37Hannah Berner?

  This is the thing. Oysters have incredible PR.

• 55:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, the whole aphrodisiac sets them light years apart. Yep.

• 55:45Hannah Berner?

  Aphrodisiac, but then not a clam doesn't? Aren't they like cousins?

• 55:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Well...

• 55:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Both bottom feeders.

• 55:52Hannah Berner?

  Bottom feeders of some kind.

• 55:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 55:54Hannah Berner?

  But like, oysters are out here regal, gorgeous.

• 56:00Hannah Berner?

  That is, that is, that is, but I feel like they got, they got, um, pigeonholed in that.

• 56:06Paige DeSorbo?

  They got typed.

• 56:06Hannah Berner?

  Their, their team was like, you're just, no one takes you, you're not elevated.

• 56:10Paige DeSorbo?

  No one takes you seriously.

• 56:12Hannah Berner?

  You're commercialized. Meanwhile, oysters, they're doing Fashion Week. They're in Paris.

• 56:15Paige DeSorbo?

  Oysters is over there with caviar and clams is like.

• 56:20Hannah Berner?

  Oysters are coming in, you know, a seafood tower.

• 56:24Paige DeSorbo?

  They're at weddings.

• 56:25Hannah Berner?

  Mm-hmm. Yes.

• 56:26Paige DeSorbo?

  They're at galas.

• 56:28Hannah Berner?

  Where clams, you know, occasionally in Montauk, but it's not, you don't see clam bar.

• 56:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, clams could be at a picnic table. You're not having oysters on a picnic table.

• 56:38Hannah Berner?

  And yeah, oysters are a little bigger, but like, I'm telling you guys, clams are where it's at.

• 56:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 56:43Hannah Berner?

  And flavor wise, and then have you ever boiled a clam? You can boil them and you put them in butter.

• 56:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, they're so good.

• 56:50Hannah Berner?

  So good.

• 56:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Clams casino, hello. Although, have you ever had oysters Rockefeller? Again, great PR.

• 56:56Hannah Berner?

  Is that just, yeah, Rockefeller, elevated.

• 56:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, rich.

• 57:00Hannah Berner?

  Oyster literally. Come from money. They just smell it.

• 57:04Paige DeSorbo?

  They're nepo babies.

• 57:06Hannah Berner?

  Yes.

• 57:06Paige DeSorbo?

  They're nepo ba-, like the Rockefellers have nothing to do with oysters and the oysters are like.

• 57:11Hannah Berner?

  Oysters have fucking pearls.

• 57:14Hannah Berner?

  No one's opened a clam and you're just like, is that sand? Not again.

• 57:17Paige DeSorbo?

  It's like it smells. If it smells like a clam, go to your doctor.

• 57:21Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, we got.

• 57:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes.

• 57:23Hannah Berner?

  And oysters are jewelry.

• 57:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 57:27Hannah Berner?

  For royals. I actually have one of Michael Kors thing.

• 57:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 57:31Hannah Berner?

  So after the Michael Kors show, I walk out and this was the most New York thing ever. I'm standing there looking gorgeous in my trench coat. And some guy on a bike who, I'm not gonna say he lived on the bike, but let's just say, don't know what he was doing on the bike.

• 57:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 57:47Hannah Berner?

  He wasn't like working or anything.

• 57:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 57:49Hannah Berner?

  He just like stops right in front of me. But you know what? It's been a long night and I've been socializing already. I'm like, what's one other person?

• 57:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 57:55Hannah Berner?

  And he goes, where were you?

• 57:58Hannah Berner?

  And I'm in front of Lincoln Center and I go, I just look at this guy, I'm like, there's no way he's gonna know who this is. And I just go, I was at the Michael Kors show and he goes, I love Michael Kors. By the way, he's like a, I'd say like a 50 year old man.

• 58:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 58:13Hannah Berner?

  I love Michael Kors. I think he was a little drunk. And I was like, oh yeah, amazing. And he's like, you know, what a great performer. And that's when I realized like, oh, he thinks, and he's like, I've been to a Michael Kors show back in the eighties. And I was like, cool. So we get into.

• 58:30Paige DeSorbo?

  He think it was.

• 58:31Hannah Berner?

  I was like, maybe Michael Buble, but I don't think Buble, Michael something.

• 58:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Michael Bolton?

• 58:36Hannah Berner?

  Maybe Michael Bolton. Yeah, maybe Michael Bolton. But he was like, he starts telling me these stories about how great Michael Kors is in concert. And I'm sitting there in my trench and I'm like, we gotta wrap this up.

• 58:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 58:46Hannah Berner?

  And then he's like, how long was the show? And I was like, actually only like 12 minutes. And he was like, wow, he used to do two hours. This conversation went on so much longer than it should have.

• 58:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 58:56Hannah Berner?

  But in that moment, I was like, I can't wait to tell the gigglers about this beautiful New York City moment. And then my car came and then I said, sir, have a great night. And he said, you too. I'm so happy you had a great time at the show. I said, I'll see you at the next Michael Kors show. He said, thank you.

• 59:11Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's the epitome of New York City.

• 59:13Hannah Berner?

  And that's the thing. You don't have to understand each other to get along.

• 59:15Paige DeSorbo?

  No. No. Wait, last thing and we'll end here. Have you watched any of the JFK Junior and Carolyn Bissett show?

• 59:25Hannah Berner?

  Well, I'm a little annoyed because I very recently watched the JFK Junior documentary. So I feel like it's so fresh. I don't want to like compare the two.

• 59:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 59:33Hannah Berner?

  But Ally's been watching it and she's obsessed with it.

• 59:36Paige DeSorbo?

  It's good.

• 59:37Hannah Berner?

  Cause you love a period piece.

• 59:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, it's not like period. It's like in the nineties.

• 59:41Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 59:42Paige DeSorbo?

  But you don't know what they were really like because there really is no press of them.

• 59:49Hannah Berner?

  And she did not want to be photographed.

• 59:51Paige DeSorbo?

  And so you kind of take it with like a grain of salt that that's how she was. But I do think the acting is really good and he's very good looking.

• 1:00:00Hannah Berner?

  And this is Ryan Murphy, right?

• 1:00:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:00:03Hannah Berner?

  When does Ryan Murphy sleep?

• 1:00:04Paige DeSorbo?

  No, who knows?

• 1:00:05Hannah Berner?

  Cause you know, he has Kim on the phone every three seconds with another idea. And then he's doing all these like serial killer things.

• 1:00:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Good in it. The like, the aesthetic of the show is phenomenal. Like you very much feel like you're in New York City in the nineties. It actually made me like. Upset, because I was like, wait, it would have been so cool to live in New York in the 90s and be like in your 20s. It looked so fun.

• 1:00:31Hannah Berner?

  And RFK Jr., they didn't really have security. They would just like try to live a normal life, even though he was like the most famous bachelor in the world.

• 1:00:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, well, there was no social media, so it was like real paparazzi. And he dated like a very famous.

• 1:00:46Hannah Berner?

  He dated Madonna or something?

• 1:00:47Paige DeSorbo?

  He dated this girl. Her name was Daryl Hannah. Do you remember?

• 1:00:50Hannah Berner?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:00:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, you know who she is?

• 1:00:51Hannah Berner?

  The mermaid.

• 1:00:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes, that was like her, I think, biggest role.

• 1:00:55Hannah Berner?

  She's, she's been in other things too.

• 1:00:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, and I think she was then like went on to like marry someone else famous.

• 1:01:02Hannah Berner?

  He loves a blonde.

• 1:01:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, that's one takeaway. He loves a blonde.

• 1:01:06Hannah Berner?

  He loves a blonde, but he, that, yeah, that is a beautiful man, but what a crazy story.

• 1:01:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, and then they have like someone who plays Jackie O.

• 1:01:17Paige DeSorbo?

  It just, it seems like they had like a tough, I just, I don't know how they did it.

• 1:01:22Hannah Berner?

  Oh, yeah, I'm definitely gonna watch that.

• 1:01:23Paige DeSorbo?

  No, it's good. There's three episodes out.

• 1:01:25Hannah Berner?

  And how's your book going, just to wrap this up? Have we made any progress?

• 1:01:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Um, we're at a small standstill.

• 1:01:33Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I'm reading Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo.

• 1:01:35Hannah Berner?

  Are you reading it like on planes?

• 1:01:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, because you wanna know what?

• 1:01:37Hannah Berner?

  Are you reading on planes or are you iPading?

• 1:01:39Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I'm iPading on planes. I haven't gone full rogue, except I'm flying out to LA next week, so I might, I might bring my book. Um, the gigglers truly are so funny. Like, I'll get messages and then I'll get messages. Like, then we'll talk about it on the pod, and then I'll get messages of girls being like, "Okay, I don't want to insult you and your reading level because to each their own, but like, I think you're correct, and like, that book is like a bit too hard for you." And then I have the kid-

• 1:02:05Hannah Berner?

  They're so cute.

• 1:02:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Then I have like a legitimate like literature teacher. She was like, Wuthering Heights. Stick, stick to the Seven Husbands and get a grip.

• 1:02:14Hannah Berner?

  People message me telling you not to try to read Wuthering Heights. And I was like, "Don't worry, she'll, she'll know real soon in that first paragraph that she's not gonna make it."

• 1:02:23Paige DeSorbo?

  She was like, "I'm a literal professor and it's a very hard book, like, not the beach read you're looking for." Anyway, I'm just trying to like-

• 1:02:30Hannah Berner?

  Well, maybe one day.

• 1:02:31Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm cooking, I'm reading. Who is she?

• 1:02:33Hannah Berner?

  I don't know, but my husband wants me to cook a home-cooked meal now because of you, so we'll discuss that later.

• 1:02:38Paige DeSorbo?

  My husband.

• 1:02:39Hannah Berner?

  Your husband. We share a husband.

• 1:02:43Hannah Berner?

  That's Kiggle Squad. Thank you, guys, for listening. We love you so much. Special thanks to Duncan for supporting us this episode. And we'll talk to you later this week. Episode two coming out soon. Bye.

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