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• 0:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, remember when I told you how excited I was about Lululemon dropping their fall collection on September 8? Well, the collection is finally here and I just got my hands on a few pieces and let's just say these will be in my rotation on repeat. I got the Groove Yoga Bra and the High Rise Matching Short. They're so buttery soft. They have laser cut pocket openings for optional and removable cups, which I love that because sometimes I don't want to have a bra insert when I'm working out, but sometimes I do. Performance never compromises style at Lululemon. I love their vintage-inspired styles and everything comes in such an assortment of colors. So if you don't want to stick to black, which is my traditional go-to, you can explore other colors. Like, I love a burgundy workout set. New styles from Lululemon's fall collection are here.

• 0:45Paige DeSorbo?

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• 0:55Hannah Berner?

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• 1:38Hannah Berner?

  I was thinking about how women have so many little things we have to do when we're getting home that you have to be aware of.

• 1:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, so many people have my location.

• 1:47Hannah Berner?

  And you have to share your ETA, you have to check the route, you have to text everyone I'm home.

• 1:51Paige DeSorbo?

  And if your friend, like, doesn't text you, "Oh, you got home," you're calling the FBI.

• 1:55Hannah Berner?

  Yep, yep. And we joke about it because it's so normal to us, but you're constantly paying attention. Even when you're exhausted and just want to get home, your brain still has to be on. You're like, is this guy going the right route? Am I in the right place? Who's around me? What's happening?

• 2:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, there's truly no clocking out of your safety.

• 2:12Hannah Berner?

  And that's why riding in a Waymo feels different. It's an autonomous ride with an empty driver's seat, so once you get in, you have this private space that's actually just yours.

• 2:20Paige DeSorbo?

  And you know, I love alone time and I truly feel like it's such a luxury in a Waymo.

• 2:25Hannah Berner?

  Especially after being social. Like, I love everyone, but like...

• 2:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Please, nobody speak to me.

• 2:29Hannah Berner?

  Like, give me 20 minutes. I want music, the right temperature. There's no compromising. And you can customize the ride, put on your own music, answer texts you ignored all night, stare out the window. You actually have a minute where you're not thinking about everyone else.

• 2:43Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's the thing. It's not even necessarily about doing something. Sometimes it's just, you want to sit there and not speak.

• 2:50Hannah Berner?

  And put your guard down for a second and feel safe.

• 2:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Which truly women deserve.

• 2:55Hannah Berner?

  We deserve to disassociate safely for 20 minutes.

• 2:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I mean, put that on a t-shirt, for real.

• 3:01Hannah Berner?

  And obviously, safety is a huge part of why that feeling matters. Knowing Waymo's safer, there's something refreshing in having that space where you can just be yourself and let Waymo handle the driving.

• 3:10Paige DeSorbo?

  And we spend enough of our lives being on.

• 3:13Hannah Berner?

  Exactly.

• 3:14Paige DeSorbo?

  We don't need to be on in the car.

• 3:16Hannah Berner?

  Getting around shouldn't require so much mental energy. And if this sounds like your ideal way to get around too, download the Waymo app and use code GIGLY to get 20% off your next two rides. You could check out the full terms in the app.

• 3:28Paige DeSorbo?

  We love a discount.

• 3:29Hannah Berner?

  And if Waymo isn't in your city yet, head to waymo.com/gigly to sign up and help bring Waymo to you.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  Sup, gigglers? Jerry, fix the wifi. Manifest that shit. We can't be managed.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  I mean, the day just got away from me.

• 3:55Paige DeSorbo?

  Sorry, I, sorry. Us Weekly just did an article about me getting UTIs. Like, what?

• 4:01Hannah Berner?

  No. No, they didn't.

• 4:03Paige DeSorbo?

  I just commented it and said, guys, what the fuck? As if I just, like, announced that I have a chronic illness.

• 4:09Hannah Berner?

  Debilitating health issue?

• 4:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, what the fuck?

• 4:17Paige DeSorbo?

  I think I can't. Like, I go, why? Someone commented and goes, obviously, she's having a lot of sex.

• 4:24Hannah Berner?

  I feel like I need a comment. Be like, okay, you fuck. I wrote-

• 4:31Paige DeSorbo?

  It looks like I died in a car accident.

• 4:33Hannah Berner?

  Also, then people say TMI. It's like, that was on our private podcast.

• 4:38Paige DeSorbo?

  That was private for my closest 200,000 friends. Like, please, stop.

• 4:45Hannah Berner?

  That was in our private diary that we post.

• 4:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Sometimes people pick things up. I'm like, that's so violating. I wrote that in my diary.

• 4:53Hannah Berner?

  Okay, back to our scheduled programming. Hello, my gold medal gigglers.

• 4:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:59Hannah Berner?

  Mm-hmm. It had to be said. It had to be said. You're all the way in California right now.

• 5:04Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm all the way in California right now. And let me just say one thing, and this might be a controver-

• 5:10Paige DeSorbo?

  This might be controversial, but like, you know when like, you have to like, do a fun fact about you, or like, you're out on a date, or like, you see, and it's like, people are like, I love traveling. In theory, totally. Like, I love traveling. But actually, I hate it. Like, I get on one flight, and I get off the flight, and I'm like, and I'm constipated. My stomach exploded. My head hurts. I need to go lay in a bed. Like, Like, if you go on vacation with me, and you have plans for the day that we land, I'm not your friend. Like, I'm in LA. I don't technically have to be in LA till Wednesday, but I'm like,

• 5:48Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I need two days to like, get it together. I need to like, I need to acclimate. I need, like, so actually, I hate traveling.

• 5:58Hannah Berner?

  Well, travel's annoying because when you finally get to your, um, place you're trying to go, you haven't actually done anything, so you feel like a lazy piece of shit, because you've just been sitting on planes, but Emotionally, traveling is difficult. I mean, you guys, occasionally I have to run in heels, but my traveling faux pas was I was on American Airlines, lost, scared.

• 6:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, who knows?

• 6:20Hannah Berner?

  You know, I'm a Delta girl. And I was in seat D, three D, oh no, I'll just say D. And I assumed D was by the window, cuz I'm a woman in STEM.

• 6:34Paige DeSorbo?

  And Delta, it is by the window. I digress.

• 6:37Hannah Berner?

  Also, like, this is just.

• 6:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Alphabetical.

• 6:40Hannah Berner?

  The alphabet was made a long time ago. Yeah, like, I don't question the alphabet. Yeah, I'm not changing the alphabet.

• 6:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, do you know that they actually did change the alphabet song in school?

• 6:53Hannah Berner?

  Why?

• 6:54Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know. Like, if you walk into any middle school right now and they're learning the alphabet, it is not at the same cadence in which we learned the alphabet.

• 7:05Hannah Berner?

  But that shit was my jam. A, B, C, D, E, M, J.

• 7:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you remember, actually, like, in, like, third grade, when they would, like, make up songs to, like, learn multiplication?

• 7:17Hannah Berner?

  I feel like that was something that was helping you during a difficult time.

• 7:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, okay. I ate and I ate and I got, I ate and I ate and I got sick on the floor cuz eight times eight is sixty-four. Like, that's not ringing a bell. Got it. Okay, never mind.

• 7:31Hannah Berner?

  No, Paige needed a little cute song to remember her math, which tracks.

• 7:35Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I literally did.

• 7:37Hannah Berner?

  I'm sitting my ass in D and a very nice lady is like, "Sorry, you're in my seat." Now, one thing about me is I never assume I'm right.

• 7:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Never.

• 7:47Hannah Berner?

  Cuz then it would be a rough life, you know?

• 7:49Paige DeSorbo?

  At the end of the day, I'm probably wrong. Yeah.

• 7:51Hannah Berner?

  So I'm like, "Oh, I must be in the wrong row. Look up." It goes A, C, D, F. So then I stop and I say, "I'm sorry, but actually, this is, the system is wrong." There's a, there's a bigger injustice happening here.

• 8:10Paige DeSorbo?

  If I had a nickel.

• 8:12Hannah Berner?

  This, I'm just a girl who's been. Taken advantage of by whatever this letter riddle is.

• 8:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Let us stray.

• 8:21Hannah Berner?

  So she's and she's like, you could stay there, but look, I know that people, when they want a window, they want a window. I said, ma'am, no, you deserve the window. I have to pee anyways. I'm going in the aisle. It's all good. So then I'm doing my thing and at the end of the flight, she goes like, hey, just so you know, my sister is a big giggler. And I, and I started laughing and I was like, did you tell her I took your seat? And she goes, yeah, and the giggler said Hannah's really bad at admin and she's a Delta girl. So that tracks.

• 8:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Hannah actually doesn't know where she is.

• 8:52Hannah Berner?

  And she was like, how did she know that about you? And I was like, does she?

• 8:55Paige DeSorbo?

  It's common knowledge. We're all just out here. They, everyone knows.

• 9:01Hannah Berner?

  I have a new obsession.

• 9:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Which is?

• 9:04Hannah Berner?

  You know, when I'm on the road, I need to watch something and I hyper fixate on things. I realize I have a problem. Like I'll hyper fixate on meals. I have a fix.

• 9:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, you want to know what? You, you are correct in yourself where you say like, you could never do drugs. You'd get like obsessed with like one drug.

• 9:22Hannah Berner?

  Smoked one cigarette, by next week I'd be like, welcome to giggly squad.

• 9:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. You'd be that TikTok like my dad, what's that TikTok where it's like?

• 9:33Paige DeSorbo?

  We moved to the, worked at the Palm or like casino, something again, whatever. Keep going.

• 9:39Paige DeSorbo?

  I have no brain.

• 9:41Hannah Berner?

  So, you know, you just got off a plane. I don't know how you're functioning. So I look, it's a little embarrassing because I'm very late to the game. It's not that I haven't seen it before. I just haven't been like locked in.

• 9:54Hannah Berner?

  I'm addicted to RuPaul's Drag Race.

• 9:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Really?

• 9:59Hannah Berner?

  Paige.

• 9:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, where are you even watching it? What like on Amazon?

• 10:02Hannah Berner?

  What happened? I was in a casino in Oklahoma and.

• 10:05Paige DeSorbo?

  And that'll happen to you.

• 10:08Hannah Berner?

  And I said, you know.

• 10:09Paige DeSorbo?

  How come no one ever talks about casinos then in Oklahoma?

• 10:13Hannah Berner?

  Well, how come ever, no one ever talks about how Oklahoma has this like Ozempic little like end to it? That no one lives on, but they just fought for it. They were like, that's our land. You know, like the end of Oklahoma?

• 10:23Paige DeSorbo?

  No, why the fuck would I know the end of Oklahoma?

• 10:27Hannah Berner?

  Sorry. Back in the day, I worked for a company that you had to know the state's shapes and it was, I wish I didn't. But, um, I digress. I just put on TV and MTV had RuPaul's Drag Race playing and there was something so nostalgic about turning on MTV because I remember feeling naughty when I was little, like watching MTV, I'd be like, I'm such a teenager.

• 10:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 10:49Hannah Berner?

  And I start watching it. I'm in. I'm immediately invested. Because this is the thing about RuPaul's Drag Race. It's Project Runway. Combined with, they're doing their own fucking glam. Americas, but Americas Next Top Model where they do their own stuff. Plus, it's a comedy show. They're doing routines, they're doing gags.

• 11:11Paige DeSorbo?

  They're doing bits.

• 11:12Hannah Berner?

  And they're so mean to each other because they're men, so they get over it really quick. So they'll just say the most fucked up shit and then they're fine. Um, and then there's so much heart to it because they're always just like, learn to love yourself, which everyone can learn from. And I am locked in on season 12 right now. I've watched like eight episodes in the last two days.

• 11:37Paige DeSorbo?

  It's still going on though, right?

• 11:39Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, because there's a current season.

• 11:41Paige DeSorbo?

  I think it's like one of the longest running shows. I feel like it's been on for like 20 years.

• 11:46Hannah Berner?

  You would love it.

• 11:47Paige DeSorbo?

  I know. I can't believe I've never watched like a full season. I've watched like random episodes before, but I've never like sat down and watched a season from start to finish.

• 11:56Hannah Berner?

  They are so funny and I think I didn't fully realize how like the pop culture starts there. Like the words they're saying in 2020 is what you see like the Gen Z saying in 2023. Like they invented culture. Like they are so fucking funny.

• 12:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Like sly?

• 12:15Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 12:16Paige DeSorbo?

  They came up with that. There's a lot of words that they came up with.

• 12:19Hannah Berner?

  And also, do you know high fashion designers watch RuPaul's Drag Race for inspiration? Because they're just so creative. But like, they don't even talk about it. They're just like, okay, make your own outfit and do glam and it's like a two-minute edit. I'm just blown away by it.

• 12:37Paige DeSorbo?

  It's funny that you brought up MTV because I saw a girl make this video and she was she was like, I'm married, I'm in my 30s and I'm so petrified to have a child and she was like, and I think it's because when I was at like a very prime age, I was turning on MTV and I was watching 16 and Pregnant and that was truly our version of like scared straight.

• 13:01Hannah Berner?

  Yes.

• 13:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Like I still, in my heart of hearts, I'm like, I can't get pregnant, I'm on the cheerleading team. Like, how can I have a baby and still be the flyer?

• 13:12Hannah Berner?

  The men were so horrible, they'd be like, I don't want a baby, I don't want to be here, I'm not showing up to the date, like the worst dudes.

• 13:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Such unhinged television that at 12, I'm like locked in. I'm like, something's going on with Farrah and her mom, can't figure it out, just to only realize that like years and years later, I like, I will still think about these people.

• 13:34Hannah Berner?

  Maybe they have to make one for fucking smoking, so the kids these days stop smoking, it's very upsetting to me. If I see another it girl with a cigarette, I'll lose my mind.

• 13:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait.

• 13:44Hannah Berner?

  I'm very upset about it.

• 13:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Are you? Because I feel like I keep seeing it too and I'm like, this feels very like, look, I'm no angel, I love a drunk cig. I, I prefer a drunk cig in Europe because I feel like that doesn't count, like if you smoke cigarettes in Europe, it's like, you're on vacation.

• 14:05Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 14:06Paige DeSorbo?

  I couldn't tell you, genuinely, I can't tell you the last time I had a drunk cigarette in the United States. Because I'm like so grossed out by them, but it is so interesting that now they're in like campaigns and like.

• 14:22Hannah Berner?

  In girls' dumps, this generation's obsessed with aesthetic and they're obsessed with trends.

• 14:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 14:28Hannah Berner?

  So like one cool girl posts her with a cigarette, then all these girls are gonna do it, I don't know, it's not, it's not worth it and I don't know why, what they're trying to say, like I'm bad, like I don't know, I never understood that, like.

• 14:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Especially because I would credit Gen Z with like not over consuming alcohol and like I feel like.

• 14:47Hannah Berner?

  Cause they're high. They're, they're in a fucking smoke chain or whatever they call it.

• 14:54Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I would, I actually think Gen Z is almost better with substances than millennials because like.

• 15:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Like when I was in my twenty, when I was twenty-three to twenty-six, like I was blacked out every single weekend. Like I didn't have a skincare routine. You know, like I didn't know, like I didn't do that stuff. So I think there are good things about Gen Z, but the smoking thing is, it is interesting.

• 15:22Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 15:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait.

• 15:24Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 15:25Paige DeSorbo?

  So obviously, like, we talked about America's Next Top Model, and then like, I literally couldn't stop thinking about it. And I'm just like, I see all these clips on TikTok. And then the other day, I'm watching Lincoln Lawyer, which is like my new obsession. I actually just finished it on Netflix.

• 15:38Hannah Berner?

  We have such different tastes in TV. I saw Lincoln Lawyer, I was like, boring.

• 15:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Obsessed love. Love the main character. I'm like, no, I'll marry you.

• 15:46Hannah Berner?

  I haven't clicked on it.

• 15:47Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what it is? I love a strong man in a suit. Like, and I'm, you know, I'm sorry if that sounds misogynistic. Like, I feel not feminist, I love a strong man in a suit.

• 15:58Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, a strong man in a suit gives me like fucking agita. I don't like that at all.

• 16:02Paige DeSorbo?

  So I'm watching it, and there's like one of the characters, she's like the prosecutor, and I'm staring at her, and I'm like, I know this woman. Like, how do I know this woman? And now my new thing is, rather than like when I don't know something, and just like immediately looking it up on Google, I try and use my brain. I'm like, no, I know it. Let me find it in there.

• 16:22Hannah Berner?

  Don't try to be a hero. Don't try to be a hero.

• 16:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Sit and think and see if I can figure it out. I'm literally sitting on the couch. Now my eyes are closed. I'm like, let me just hear her voice and see if I can place her.

• 16:34Hannah Berner?

  You started channeling spirits.

• 16:37Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, I know this person. How do I know this person? All of a sudden, it clicks. She was on America's Next Top Model. Her name was Yaya. I end up looking her up on Google. She has a, because I was like, I've seen her in other TV shows. Like, I know her as an actress. Like, in my head, I was like, she's an actress, but what are the other things I've watched her in? Then it clicks to me, she's on America's Next Top Model. She was not in the documentary, but she's a perfect example, her and Eva, of someone who like did cross over and make the pivot.

• 17:07Hannah Berner?

  There's also, America's Next Top Model, an actress that played in Crazy Stupid Love. She played the babysitter in Crazy Stupid Love.

• 17:17Paige DeSorbo?

  She was on America's Next Top Model?

• 17:19Hannah Berner?

  Mm-hmm.

• 17:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, I didn't know that. And so then I'm thi- and then like I'm, obviously like I'm watching more clips of America's Next Top Model and like girls like talking about it on TikTok and stuff. And one of the things that I think is different than other reality shows where there's judges, the judges were on a reality show with each other. Like, there are so many clips of people saying like some of the most racist things you've ever heard in your life and Tyra like turning her head and being like, what? Where like, typically, I feel like when you watch a TV show and like, even like us, like if we've ever like been on another TV show where we've done like,

• 18:03Paige DeSorbo?

  even going on like another podcast, there is a sense of like, we're both on the same page because we're performing for the viewer. Where that show, the judges were just like saying anything, like no wonder Tyra like freaked out at some points, like, some people were saying unhinged things and it's like, it's her show. So I feel like people aren't talking about that enough, that the judges were trying to make things even more like controversial, which you don't ti- like if you watch Project Runway, like the judges aren't like fighting with each other for real, like they're on the same page, they're the judges.

• 18:41Hannah Berner?

  American Idol, they would fight. Like fake fight, but like not like offensive.

• 18:47Paige DeSorbo?

  I feel like that was Simon Cowell's character. Was like, he was the asshole. Like there's a character for each person.

• 18:55Hannah Berner?

  Speaking of assholes, I'm watching the Gordon Ramsay documentary on Netflix, which I do have to say, I'm a huge Gordon Ramsay fan. I don't support any of the verbal abuse that he does, but I overall like a grumpy old man. Um, and he, I don't know why, I just can't look away. Like Kitchen Nightmares was my favorite thing and he does employ a ton of people in how a lot of small businesses, but I digress. Very boring documentary. It's basically, it's like one, he's just promoting like a new restaurant he's trying to open. It's kind of like a little Victoria Beckham-esque where they're just like pushing um one of the things they're promoting. Except Victoria Beckham was more interesting. No, but her documentary was promoting.

• 19:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Whoa, whoa.

• 19:37Hannah Berner?

  You said it yourself. You said it yourself.

• 19:40Paige DeSorbo?

  That's where I draw the line. Okay Nicola, don't come onto this podcast and think you're gonna talk about Victoria Beckham like that.

• 19:49Hannah Berner?

  You just called me Nicola. Who's that?

• 19:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Nicola is the sister, the daughter-in-law.

• 19:55Hannah Berner?

  Oh.

• 19:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Keep up.

• 19:59Hannah Berner?

  Um but that's what ultimately why I think I love RuPaul's Drag Race so much is that it's not entertaining because people are mean, even though people are mean on it. It's funny, it's comedy, everyone's laughing at themselves and at the end of the day, it's about love and acceptance and loving your neighbor and loving yourself. So anyway, with that said, um not happy with men's hockey.

• 20:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Tell, because I'm like, sure. Yeah, for sure, I hate them too.

• 20:27Hannah Berner?

  Basically, they win, the president calls them, well, actually the FBI, head of FBI is drunk with them on speakerphone. Um he had better things to do. Yeah, he's partying with the men's hockey team.

• 20:41Paige DeSorbo?

  In Italy?

• 20:42Hannah Berner?

  In Italy, in the locker room. They're all drunk.

• 20:45Paige DeSorbo?

  I bet there's a lot of problems going on here in the Americas.

• 20:49Hannah Berner?

  And they're not in the champagne in the locker room in Milan, I'll tell you that right now. Seeing like all the men celebrating and then a man be like, let me show you, I know the president. And then get the president on the phone and the president being like, I'm gonna fly you guys everywhere, I'm gonna treat you great, I'm gonna fly you here with every. And then he's like, and I'm gonna have to invite the women's team or I'll probably get impeached. And I'm not even mad, like, yeah, the guys, the guys laughed. Um some of them probably asked, some might have just been nervous and it was like a subtle jab.

• 21:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 21:24Hannah Berner?

  It hurts so much because that's what we actually deal with every day. It's not like a big aggressive. It's the subtle things that people say. The women's hockey team, by the way, they've been more consistent than the men's hockey team. Been winning medals, I did the math, since nineteen ninety-eight. And these women get paid thirty to fifty K. Now they're at eighty K, but they had to have multiple jobs. They had to raise their children. They had no resources. They had like no assistance. They're on their fucking period. They're fighting the patriarchy. And they're still succeeding.

• 21:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, is the men, sorry for like.

• 22:01Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, I'm not like a big hockey fan either, but.

• 22:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Someone did a video, I think it was like Caleb Heron, where he was like, I wish they had like a talk show and it had one person that knew nothing about sports that could ask the question. Would you get, that's so smart. Question, the guys that are on the men's Olympic hockey team for the United States of America, are they all on professional teams year round?

• 22:24Hannah Berner?

  They're the best Americans in the NHL. And the NHL is making millions of dollars.

• 22:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Millions of, so their only job is hockey?

• 22:32Hannah Berner?

  Yes.

• 22:33Paige DeSorbo?

  And they lose every year.

• 22:34Hannah Berner?

  Are in a small league, and by the way, not to like name drop, but the captain of the USA women's team is one of the greatest of all time, Hillary Knight. Played at the University of Wisconsin-Gobiadures when I was there. And the women's hockey team won every national championship when I was there and the men's team like didn't. Um, so I just remember thinking these girls were like so badass, because they're they're playing a sport while skating.

• 23:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 23:01Hannah Berner?

  It's like, think of basketball, but skating, like it's crazy, but the thing is they love the game so much. They are not doing it for the money. They're not, they're not, I don't know what they're doing it for, because it's fucking hard. But they're doing it for, for some fucking respect. And I'm glad the WNBA is there, women's tennis is there, hockey's next, because um, whoo, I just, ooh, it makes, ooh, I don't like it.

• 23:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, it's just such a like.

• 23:28Hannah Berner?

  It's boys' club.

• 23:29Paige DeSorbo?

  But that truly is every day, like, okay, I guess like the girls, yeah, the girls can do it too, like. Like a perfect, this is not a perfect example, but the only thing I can think of is like. When I was younger and like I would be playing a game with like my older brother, like my older cousins. And there were any little, like younger cousins, we would always be like, they don't count. Like, sure, you guys can like play, but like it doesn't actually count in the real score.

• 23:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Which my little cousins would get so mad, like we count, like we're, we're like, okay, like you don't. But that is truly what it's like being an adult woman.

• 24:04Hannah Berner?

  Little cousins are people too.

• 24:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, they're people too. They're like in their twenties now, so I consider them people.

• 24:11Hannah Berner?

  I also don't want to be, yeah, like, the butt of a joke by like, the people making decisions about our rights.

• 24:19Paige DeSorbo?

  And now we've said it. Oh, and period. Period, no pun intended. Fucking period.

• 24:26Hannah Berner?

  Get period all over the ice next time.

• 24:29Paige DeSorbo?

  I hate everyone.

• 24:30Hannah Berner?

  I'm just really proud of all the female Olympians. I mean, Alyssa Liu, shout out to my girl. Did you not see Alyssa Liu?

• 24:39Paige DeSorbo?

  I have no idea what you're talking about.

• 24:41Hannah Berner?

  The girl with...

• 24:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Again, it's sports, and I'm so proud of the girls, but it's sports. So like, I'm probably not tuning in, like...

• 24:47Hannah Berner?

  Okay, so Alyssa Liu...

• 24:48Paige DeSorbo?

  And I'm proud of them, though.

• 24:50Hannah Berner?

  Alyssa Liu, when she was sixteen, was a world champion, and she was like, doing everything... In ice skating. And she's doing everything she's supposed to do, like, she's eating how she's supposed to eat. She's putting her hair the way they want her to do her hair, and she's just being psychotic. She then decides, fuck this, I'm quitting. World champion at sixteen, quitting. Two years later, she was on a ski trip with some friends and realized, like, this is actually kind of fun. Imagine if I had fun with ice skating like I'm doing now. And she has this, like, epiphany where she's like, if I... I'm so talented. If I approach it differently mentally, and I see it as just an expression of my art that I'm grateful that I can express to the world, I'll do it again.

• 25:31Hannah Berner?

  And she calls her coach, and she's like, I want to come back. And the coach is like, no, you hate this. This isn't a good fit. Like, you don't want to do this. And she, like, begs him. She comes back, she wears what she wants, she dyes her hair in these, like, halos, they call them. And the people there are like, you can't have your hair like that. And she's like, go fuck yourself. And she goes on. And gives the most incredible performance.

• 25:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Why would there be a rule about hair?

• 25:59Hannah Berner?

  Cause they're fucking crazy because they wanna control women.

• 26:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 26:04Hannah Berner?

  And how they look. Like your, how you look should not affect how you're rated in your performance, but ice skating is still like ballet where it's like, is she thin enough? Is she beautiful enough?

• 26:15Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 26:16Hannah Berner?

  So this girl says fuck you. She, but she's so confident and in love with herself that she's so beautiful. And she skates like the most amazing skate. And all the other girls, she's like hugging and like, there was just this like camaraderie of girlhood.

• 26:31Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. Women are incredible. No, seriously.

• 26:35Hannah Berner?

  The top man, the tops, um, ice skating man, Ilya, had so much pressure on him. There's a lot of reasons, I don't know why that had happened, but when he goes for his skate, he fell three times and he didn't get a medal.

• 26:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, I actually saw that.

• 26:51Hannah Berner?

  And he said, watching Alyssa inspired him to treat the sport differently.

• 26:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Honestly, I mean, it goes like, I still think about like Simone Biles when she did her documentary and she was, and she called her mom and was like, I'm not doing it. And the mom was like, and don't do it. Like that, you really have to have that mentality with certain things. Like honestly, like the fact that I'm doing the SAG Awards on Sunday, well, actually, sorry, the Actor Awards.

• 27:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Like I've been so anxious because I'm like, oh my God, like it's on Netflix. So many people are gonna be watching. If I mess up even for a second, like that's all people are gonna say, like, her mouth doesn't move or like she's stupid. Like, I don't know, just like running through my head. And then today, when I was on the plane, I was like,

• 27:39Paige DeSorbo?

  oh, who cares? Like you've wanted to do this since you were literally six years old. You're now getting to do it and you're gonna be scared the whole fucking time. Like you love your dress. You're, you flew out your hair and makeup. I literally flew out my glam because I was like, I don't wanna use LA glam people. Because I need to be around people that I'm with every single day so that when I'm on the red carpet and I look over, that like I see Taylor Fitzgerald specifically, like I need to see her face.

• 28:10Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 28:11Paige DeSorbo?

  That actually just like really helped me, that girl being like, I'm just gonna have fun with it. I mean, obviously, I'm gonna take a beta blocker, I'm not a psycho.

• 28:19Hannah Berner?

  You're like, I'm also gonna be numb.

• 28:20Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm also gonna be, yeah.

• 28:21Hannah Berner?

  I always say, people don't remember what you say, they remember how you made them feel. So when you do the like, public speaking, as just all the girls' advice with public speaking, it's you actually being in the moment and not judging yourself in the moment and trying to be in that flow state, which is hard to get to, but it ultimately is doing what you love. Like, there's, this is so stupid sports related, but Djokovic is like the best tennis player of all time.

• 28:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 28:48Hannah Berner?

  And he was like, I just love hitting the ball. And that kind of like...

• 28:52Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's the kind of men I like. I'm like, yeah, speak your truth and dumb it down, you know?

• 28:57Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, but the truth is, is like, when I played tennis, I was thinking about winning, I was thinking about all these things. I wasn't thinking that I loved hitting the ball. I actually didn't like hitting the ball, because it represented like, fear and bad things to me. But now, like, podcasting, going on stage, it is what I love to do. And when you love something, like, love overrides everything, which leads me to my next point.

• 29:21Paige DeSorbo?

  We love a segue.

• 29:21Hannah Berner?

  People are mad at me.

• 29:23Paige DeSorbo?

  For?

• 29:23Hannah Berner?

  The way I pronounce anxiety.

• 29:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Anxiety?

• 29:27Hannah Berner?

  Apparently, it's anxiety, and I say anxiety, anxiety, anxiety.

• 29:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Say it again, I have to close my eyes.

• 29:34Hannah Berner?

  I have anxiety.

• 29:36Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't hear it, but I love you.

• 29:38Hannah Berner?

  I know, thank you, I love you so much. I think it's just New York, that I say it that way.

• 29:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, you almost add like a G into it?

• 29:45Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, and they were like, I literally got a message, they were like, Hannah, I love everything about you, except it's anxiety, it's not anxiety. And I said this would give me anxiety, because now I'm gonna overthink.

• 29:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Anxiety.

• 29:57Hannah Berner?

  It gives me anxiety now.

• 29:58Paige DeSorbo?

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• 31:27Paige DeSorbo?

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• 33:39Paige DeSorbo?

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• 34:23Paige DeSorbo?

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• 34:40Hannah Berner?

  Also, people were asking me, and I didn't want to tell them, because I want to protect the gigglers from any harm.

• 34:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 34:48Hannah Berner?

  But they said, "Is Paige doing her spray tan?" And I didn't want to have to tell them that you chose your career over my career.

• 34:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Here we are again. I'll be the villain in your story, because I'm trying to put food on the table for my cat.

• 35:05Hannah Berner?

  For your cat.

• 35:07Paige DeSorbo?

  When are you taping it? I'm away, yeah, sorry.

• 35:10Hannah Berner?

  Saturday.

• 35:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Are you getting a spray tan?

• 35:12Hannah Berner?

  Oh my god, I feel like I'm on RuPaul's Drag Race. I have to get a spray tan. I have to get a dermaplane facial, which you have to do before the spray tan, because then it takes off the spray tan. And the dermaplane makes my makeup look better, apparently. Also, I have to get my nails done, because the blue's grown out. Dye'd my hair. Honestly, I have to do a whole fucking...

• 35:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Being a woman is insane.

• 35:35Hannah Berner?

  It's America's Next Model.

• 35:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Literally, that's why I had to fly into LA, like, days early. I'm like, "Well, I have to get a facial, then I have to get my spray tan, then I need to..." I'm also getting, like, a massage the night before, that's a calming massage.

• 35:47Hannah Berner?

  First, you have to get the muscle relaxer, then you have to get the spa.

• 35:49Paige DeSorbo?

  I have to get Reiki, like, I have to see an energy healer, like, I have a lot to do.

• 35:55Hannah Berner?

  I'm talking to my psychic tomorrow.

• 35:57Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, you have to. And sorry, sorry that you're preparing. Like, sorry.

• 36:02Hannah Berner?

  I'm preparing emotionally, spiritually, physically. Also, no offense, but male comedians will play MSG, wake up from a nap, and their hair will be sticking up in the back from the nap, and it'll be, um, that's that.

• 36:15Paige DeSorbo?

  Maybe if the men's hockey team prioritized anything, they'd win more often. Like, it's not our fault. Don't take it out on us.

• 36:25Hannah Berner?

  Anyway, the women's hockey team, you're invited, um, to hang on.

• 36:29Paige DeSorbo?

  I was about to cut that. Like, where are we going with this?

• 36:34Paige DeSorbo?

  You can come to any Gayly Squad show you want, we support you.

• 36:37Hannah Berner?

  Also, I stirred up a little controversy again.

• 36:45Hannah Berner?

  Of me being sweaty and it got like, it was really funny.

• 36:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, I saw this. I was like, what are these weird screenshots? Also, you doing an Ask Me Anything on the plane? I'm like, who is this person?

• 36:56Hannah Berner?

  Grace messaged me and was like, hey, how are you? And I said, great. And she's like, doesn't seem that way because you're doing an Ask Me Anything on the plane.

• 37:03Paige DeSorbo?

  I was like, someone's gotta check on me on that.

• 37:07Hannah Berner?

  No, literally. Um, what was I saying?

• 37:09Paige DeSorbo?

  You just had a page moment. Isn't it like so jarring?

• 37:12Hannah Berner?

  No, I like.

• 37:13Paige DeSorbo?

  You're like, I'm speaking and then all of a sudden your brain like just go, you're like, I don't know.

• 37:17Hannah Berner?

  No, like I literally, what was I saying? Oh, my controversy. So again, my arch nemesis, Threads, after bullying my grandma.

• 37:31Hannah Berner?

  This is a problem with Threads. We don't know where on Threads, but Instagram like puts you on Threads.

• 37:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Some girl did a whole video on Threads about me the other day of like one of our podcast clips and was like, and I was like, that's not even what that clip was about. I'm like, I can't do Threads. I had a blocker because I was like, I don't.

• 37:50Hannah Berner?

  My sweat photos go on Threads and then I keep getting these like weird notifications and I'm like, if I could, if I have any notifications on Threads, it's not good. Like it's never a good thing.

• 38:03Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't even know how to get to notifications on Threads.

• 38:06Hannah Berner?

  Keep it that way. I will throw my phone into the subway. So turns out people think, because I said something like, well, I was like, someone needs a new, I said, someone needs a new deodorant or something. All the comments thought I was bullying a girl. So everyone's like, how dare you make fun of this, this woman? And everyone is bullying. Bullying me for bullying myself. Bullying me for bullying myself as a result bullying me.

• 38:39Paige DeSorbo?

  How dare you talk to a woman like that?

• 38:42Hannah Berner?

  And then the gigglers are jumping in being like, hey, that's, she's making, she's, this is her. She's making fun of herself and people are like, if you ever speak about another woman this way, you're disgusting and vile. And then people are like, that's just Hannah calling herself disgusting and viral, which by the way, it is not disgusting to sweat. It means my body is detoxing and we know everyone wants a detox.

• 39:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh my God. Also, like, check any girl's comments in her Instagram. Like, it's people just being insane. The internet is so scary. That's why you have to find your niche.

• 39:15Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, the internet is in like a weird low right now, I do have to say.

• 39:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, like I find myself like get going off of TikTok and Instagram because I'm like, wait, some people are like, it's actually like, it's scary. It's why I started reading. I'm like, y'all forced me to pick up a goddamn book. That's when you know the country has gone awry. Paige is at home reading. She's trying to fill her time. She's trying to get hobbies. I fucking love scrolling.

• 39:45Hannah Berner?

  Wait, someone wrote, someone wrote, getting people to defend you and trash you at the same time is a skill that needs to be studied. And then someone goes, I love that everyone rushed to defend you from your self bullying.

• 39:59Paige DeSorbo?

  No, it's really unhinged.

• 40:01Hannah Berner?

  I'm topping out. I'm topping out.

• 40:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I'm like, it's not for me anymore. It's so crazy.

• 40:06Hannah Berner?

  Also, my marriage is, um.

• 40:08Paige DeSorbo?

  On the rocks?

• 40:09Hannah Berner?

  On the rocks, because I found out my husband doesn't like feta, which I thought was a non-controversial cheese. Feta is like, and feta, you don't.

• 40:20Paige DeSorbo?

  It's universal.

• 40:21Hannah Berner?

  It's uni- it's not too stinky. It's not too bland. It's just like, I thought feta, I didn't know there was an option not to like feta.

• 40:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Look, I'm a ride or die for Italian food.

• 40:30Hannah Berner?

  I thought you were gonna say, I'm my rider. I get feta.

• 40:33Paige DeSorbo?

  I should actually add it. I think Italian food is the best food of any cuisine of anything. There are a few things that the Greeks do that I'm like, you nailed it with that one. And feta is one of them.

• 40:44Hannah Berner?

  Right now.

• 40:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Baccalà is another one of them. But the feta, I'll put it on. I'll put it on my skin if I feel like I'm having a rough day.

• 40:54Hannah Berner?

  The texture, like I don't mind a person who's like, oh, I don't like a Gouda. It's like they're uncouth. But to not.

• 41:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Even a brie, I'm like, it's not for everyone.

• 41:04Hannah Berner?

  But I love a brie and if you don't, but it's okay, because I know it's a certain palate.

• 41:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Totally.

• 41:09Hannah Berner?

  I ordered an omelet with feta and tomatoes, which is like my new thing. It's I, I highly recommend people to try it. And he was like, no, it's okay. I don't like feta. And there's something about being in a marriage for, what are we at, four years? When you learn something new four years in?

• 41:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh my god, wait, that seems crazy. You've been married for four years.

• 41:29Hannah Berner?

  He's officially the longest guy I've ever been with. Which this is what's weird about, about getting married is sometimes you marry a guy and he's not the longest relationship you've been in up to that point. So anyway, that's what's going on currently in my relationship.

• 41:43Paige DeSorbo?

  So anyway, that's what's going on with you.

• 41:46Hannah Berner?

  You know what relationship people don't talk enough about? Rose Byrne and Bobby Carnavale. I don't know how to say his last name. Do you know who I'm talking about?

• 41:55Paige DeSorbo?

  I do.

• 41:56Hannah Berner?

  You love Bobby Carnavale.

• 41:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, let me Google him really quickly because I do know who you're talking about.

• 42:03Hannah Berner?

  They're together. I don't think they're married, which is so fucking chic. Um, but I think they have kids together.

• 42:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Of course I do.

• 42:10Hannah Berner?

  Aren't, wait, why don't people talk about them more? I love them.

• 42:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Do they have kids together? He was, oh, who is this? He was married and divorced. He is like hot.

• 42:20Hannah Berner?

  I know. I knew you'd love him.

• 42:23Paige DeSorbo?

  And you want to know what makes me love him even more?

• 42:26Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 42:26Paige DeSorbo?

  He is with a funny woman. Takes a strong, strong man to be with a funny woman. It, well, actually it takes a strong man to be with a woman who is.

• 42:40Hannah Berner?

  Beautiful and funny and talented, like Rose Byrne.

• 42:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, like the center of attention, like, okay, a perfect example is like you said her name and I'm like, yeah, I know exactly who it is. You said his name and I was like, I think I know, but let me.

• 42:50Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 42:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Google it really quickly. And I feel like being with like a funny woman who's like quick witted and like can add to the conversation. If you're not a strong man, that will make you so insecure.

• 43:01Hannah Berner?

  Well, what I realized with funny women is like, if we make you laugh, like if we make a guy giggle. It means they, sometimes they feel like we tricked them. Cause like comedy comes from like unexpected. So they feel like we like, we outsmarted them and then suddenly they're giggling and they're like, what happened? Like they lost control of the conversation. So when a guy-

• 43:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, because men feel like if you're, if you're commanding a room in terms of jokes, to men, and I hate when men say this word, but like to men, it comes off like you're the alpha. And they can't have that, like certain men can't have that.

• 43:40Hannah Berner?

  Well, the loudest man in the room is normally, has the smallest penis.

• 43:43Paige DeSorbo?

  And a lot of men think that like, when they are going to get married, they are going to be the alpha in their relationship. And like, you're going to be submissive. And if they're, and if you're in an opposite relation, like peo- men can't handle it.

• 43:57Hannah Berner?

  I love a quiet, sturdy man. Also, I don't-

• 44:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Shut the fuck up, yeah. Talk, talk when it's your part. Like, talk when it's a topic that you know a lot about. And if it's not funny jokes, then shut your mouth.

• 44:11Hannah Berner?

  In my Ask Me Anything, cause I'm an Ask Me Anything influencer now, I honestly was on a fucking high. I had a coffee and I was like-

• 44:18Paige DeSorbo?

  You're like, let me bang this out. It was literally you, it would be, that was like your equivalent to being in finance. You're like, let me just snort this out or I'll bang out all these questions.

• 44:27Hannah Berner?

  How many did you actually read?

• 44:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Like four. I had to cut through. I know you though. I know everything about you. I was like learning anything new.

• 44:37Paige DeSorbo?

  I did stop at the one where someone was like, your favorite lip balm. I was like, oh, she fucking loves this lip balm. Like I knew, I'm like, I knew you saw that question. You were like, been waiting for someone to ask.

• 44:48Hannah Berner?

  You were so sick of me, but you love me so much. It must be a crazy double.

• 44:55Hannah Berner?

  So, someone told me that on her first date with a guy, she had a panic attack and he didn't know what to do. Or first vacation, he had a panic attack, didn't know what to do. And she was like, what should I do with him? Now look, would I love to tell everyone to break up with their boyfriend all the time? And do we do that a lot? Yes. However, context matters.

• 45:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, what were you saying? I don't know why that even reminded me of it.

• 45:16Hannah Berner?

  What was I saying? Um, who am I?

• 45:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Honestly, it's not important.

• 45:21Hannah Berner?

  You love getting me all riled up about something and right before I say it, you go, quick right turn.

• 45:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Because I know if I don't say it, I'll literally forget.

• 45:31Hannah Berner?

  I said, she was like, he didn't handle my panic attack well.

• 45:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 45:35Hannah Berner?

  As girls with anxiety. I think, sorry, that was, that sounded like mean, but I wasn't trying to be mean, I'm just, anyway.

• 45:44Hannah Berner?

  I feel like sometimes men do not understand anxiety and like you can't get mad at someone for not understanding it because men truly understand anger is the only emotion and when it's anything else, they get very like, what's happening? Give him an opportunity to like, understand your culture.

• 46:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Welcome to my world, let me show you.

• 46:03Hannah Berner?

  If you do have a panic attack though in front of a guy and he deals with it great, I think that's your husband.

• 46:07Paige DeSorbo?

  If a guy is truly into you, there is nothing that you can do that will turn them off. I, I think you should have a panic attack on the first date and it's like, because it's like, if you can't handle me at my worst, then like you don't deserve me at my best. It's, it's a very true.

• 46:25Hannah Berner?

  Did Marilyn Monroe actually say that one?

• 46:27Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't think so.

• 46:28Hannah Berner?

  Wait, did you see, speaking of icons, Audrey Hepburn's been cast?

• 46:32Paige DeSorbo?

  Lily Collins, yep.

• 46:33Hannah Berner?

  Did you fucking tell your team to submit you? Like, what the fuck happened?

• 46:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, Lily Collins is a respected actress.

• 46:42Hannah Berner?

  Well, her father's Phil Collins.

• 46:44Paige DeSorbo?

  I could tell that Lily Collins was gunning for an Audrey Hepburn role way before Emily in Paris because her style, I could tell by the way she was posting on Instagram that it was very Audrey Hepburn coded and she does look similar to her. So I kind of felt in my, I was like, I know one day she's gonna be, play her. So I'm actually, I'm, I'm glad it's her because I feel like you watch a lot of.

• 47:12Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm honestly too Italian to play her. I feel like you do watch a lot of like biopics where you're like, okay, that person looks nothing like the celebrity or like.

• 47:21Hannah Berner?

  Brad Pitt, like I can't.

• 47:22Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, this is not the vibe where I feel like Lily Collins is the perfect. Cast for it.

• 47:29Hannah Berner?

  Speaking of celebrity documentaries or no, stories, have you watched Love Story?

• 47:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Of course.

• 47:36Hannah Berner?

  What are your thoughts? Cause I feel like everyone's watching it right now. I'm two episodes in.

• 47:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Usually I would have a lot of thoughts on a TV show about celebrities. For whatever reason, I feel, I, it's not that I feel icky watching it because I love it. I'm like obsessed. I'm all caught up. I like watch it right when it comes out. But I feel like the fact that she didn't like the spotlight so much, I almost feel like bad. Like I'm almost like, wait, would she have hated this show?

• 48:06Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 48:07Paige DeSorbo?

  You know, but I also think it's an incredible story of like, he was JFK Junior. He was like one of the most famous people in the world. Their family was like the most famous i- in the world. And um, I can't think of the actress's name that played Jackie Kennedy, but she had like some line in one of the episodes where it was like the public has um, like, what was the quote? The public has um, in one hand, they're like ready to praise you. And in the other hand, they're ready to like throw a stone at you. And it's just so true because I, I feel like that's how he felt. Like I feel like people were all up in his shit all the time.

• 48:52Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 48:52Paige DeSorbo?

  And I kinda like, I feel, I don't know. I felt bad for them.

• 48:56Hannah Berner?

  When he, when he didn't pass the bar and the guy was like, it doesn't matter that everyone thinks you're an idiot. Like, how do you feel about yourself? And it's so easy to say like, don't care what other people think, but when everyone's pointing at you being like, you fucking idiot, at some point you're gonna be like, cause I'm an idiot. And I, I do think it was interesting casting. Like he was very, he's like not really, I think this is one of his first projects and he's just like a gorgeous man.

• 49:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Two weeks before they started filming.

• 49:24Hannah Berner?

  Really? Cause I did.

• 49:25Paige DeSorbo?

  I think they're both very good actors.

• 49:27Hannah Berner?

  I felt like she was way stronger.

• 49:31Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. I think she's really good. And people being like, oh, she doesn't like, I just said like Lily Collins looks like Audrey Hepburn. People are like, oh, she doesn't really look like Carolyn Basette. See, I find, I think she does.

• 49:42Hannah Berner?

  She does. I think Sarah Pigeon's a star.

• 49:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 49:46Hannah Berner?

  I couldn't get my eyes off of her. Also, I love Kevin Kline in the nineties, the style of it all.

• 49:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, hold on. But Calvin Klein is gay.

• 49:56Hannah Berner?

  I guess he had a wife, if I had a nickel.

• 49:59Paige DeSorbo?

  No, and this is what I'm talking about.

• 50:06Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, wait a minute.

• 50:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait a minute. You knew though, you knew. There's no way you didn't know.

• 50:15Hannah Berner?

  She got free Calvin Klein, you would do it too.

• 50:20Hannah Berner?

  You've done it.

• 50:20Paige DeSorbo?

  I have.

• 50:26Paige DeSorbo?

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• 52:43Hannah Berner?

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• 53:26Hannah Berner?

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• 53:37Paige DeSorbo?

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• 54:22Paige DeSorbo?

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• 54:57Hannah Berner?

  Speaking of fashion, this feels like made up because the fashion industry is like, we just have to, we're running out of animals print. And they're like, we're doing Bambi, we're doing deer chic now. We're doing fawn print. Like they are, they're gonna do squirrels next.

• 55:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Sorry, it's, it's fawn February, get into it, get into it.

• 55:19Hannah Berner?

  Such like a marketing ploy. Like, yeah, I do actually love it. Like it looks cute. But like, they're literally gonna be like, and it's raccoon march.

• 55:27Paige DeSorbo?

  I saw a raccoon the other day on the street, literally trying to domesticate its own self.

• 55:33Hannah Berner?

  Oh, they have thumbs.

• 55:35Paige DeSorbo?

  No, literally someone was like, wait, I feel like this raccoon shouldn't be like awake right now. It's like 11 a.m. in the morning. I was that person. I was like, um, I'd be like, that raccoon has rabies because I'm pretty sure they're nocturnal, but anyway.

• 55:49Hannah Berner?

  You're like, that raccoon just called Uber Eats. I don't think that's normal.

• 55:54Paige DeSorbo?

  That raccoon just rang the doorbell. He's like, I want to come in.

• 55:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, what were we just talking about? Because I was gonna say something before you brought up raccoons. Oh.

• 56:05Paige DeSorbo?

  As someone who also loves, like, I love trying a trend. I actually like the Bambi like thing. My thing is, one item of clothing will go viral and then every influencer will have it. And I'm like,

• 56:19Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, are we on an email list?

• 56:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Where did, who even makes it? What is that brand? And here, I'm an influencer, like, I should know. But I'm like, where'd you guys all get this jacket?

• 56:30Hannah Berner?

  Well, yeah, you'll see something you like and then you realize everyone's already worn it.

• 56:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. So then I'm like, okay, well, let me just see where it is. And then you go on, it's like preorder. And it's like, okay, well, I don't want the jacket in June.

• 56:41Hannah Berner?

  Or it's like seven thousand dollars for something that's like nylon.

• 56:46Paige DeSorbo?

  The internet is weird. Everyone's weird.

• 56:49Hannah Berner?

  What do you think about hair tucking? Like, people being like, it's really cool to put a jacket and keep your hair tucked in. Like,

• 56:57Paige DeSorbo?

  The Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen tuck has, has been trending for 10 years.

• 57:02Hannah Berner?

  Yeah. And also you get like a faux bob.

• 57:04Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm really confused on why everyone's like, oh, my God, the hair tuck.

• 57:06Hannah Berner?

  Because they'll make anything into an aesthetic. Leave Bambi out of this.

• 57:13Hannah Berner?

  Well, you know what also is trending? The everyday tiara. So girls just wearing tiaras, like, on a Tuesday for no reason. Like, in different kind, like Fashion Week, apparently, it was like a thing. Which, like, I'm not gonna take away from women's joy. I feel like it's something you would do.

• 57:31Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. I actually,

• 57:33Hannah Berner?

  You've done.

• 57:34Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm actually waiting for this to come on trend and I didn't know that it was happening. And now I need to go on Amazon because that is so something I could get down with.

• 57:42Hannah Berner?

  Well, did you see Hailey Bieber's most recent cover shoot where her hair was, like, purposely unbrushed and, like, knotted?

• 57:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. You were like, it's my time to show.

• 57:53Hannah Berner?

  Yes. Or I was like, okay, copyright infringement. Like,

• 57:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, so I'm a style icon. Actually, I'm timeless. Also, one of the funny things about like the Carolyn Bissette, like, oh my god, dressed like Carolyn Bissette.

• 58:07Hannah Berner?

  Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.

• 58:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Which like, obviously, yeah, she has great style. But her style isn't trendy. I would say she's like the least trendy person ever. Like, she truly was like the epitome of a fashion girl that worked at a brand. But like, her outfits had to be muted because it was about the other clothes.

• 58:26Hannah Berner?

  Yes.

• 58:27Paige DeSorbo?

  But people on TikTok get so like, oh, I can't believe girls are making like videos about Carolyn Bissette's style. Like, they don't have any, it's like, you can't do anything as a woman. You can't like it, you can't dislike it, you can't try and dress like it. You can't, like, it's so crazy.

• 58:43Hannah Berner?

  You can't win a gold medal.

• 58:46Paige DeSorbo?

  No, you can't.

• 58:48Paige DeSorbo?

  You can't do anything as a woman. You truly cannot. There will always be someone yelling at you. And most of the time, it is another woman, which is like really upsetting to me.

• 59:00Hannah Berner?

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Girl on girl crime.

• 59:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Anyhow.

• 59:04Hannah Berner?

  I have a gripe to bring up.

• 59:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 59:08Hannah Berner?

  Actually, I have a petition.

• 59:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Actually, I have a bill that I need passed.

• 59:13Hannah Berner?

  I have a bill. Let's stop putting hand soap next to hand lotion.

• 59:19Paige DeSorbo?

  In public?

• 59:21Hannah Berner?

  In, in, in public bathrooms, in hotel bathrooms. How many times do you go to wash your hand and you click the hand lotion? Also, who's using hand lotion in these airport bathrooms?

• 59:34Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm gonna disagree with you on this. Because the moment I got a guest bathroom, the minute I said, oh, this guest bathroom is going to be so fucking cool. I've got soap, I've got hand lotion, I've got skincare, I've got, you come to my apartment, you go in the guest bathroom, you're never leaving. You're not leaving. You're stealing all the things I have in there.

• 59:59Hannah Berner?

  Nothing ruins my day more than realizing I'm washing my hands with lotion. And then I not only wasted lotion, but now I have like sperm kind of texture on my hands.

• 1:00:10Paige DeSorbo?

  You know, you and my mom are very similar. Like, I gave my mom a bunch of products one day and she was like, "Oh, I'm like using this one product, but it's like really drying me out." And I'm like, "Well, how are you using it?" And she's like, "Well, I'm just like putting it on and then like it's drying me out." And I'm like, "Well, maybe, because that's a face wash and not a lotion, mother, and you're putting it on and then it's drying because it's a soap."

• 1:00:34Hannah Berner?

  You're like, "Kim, that's hydrogen peroxide. Can't just put it in your eye."

• 1:00:38Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, "Well, why don't you just like read the label?" So my thing to you is, why don't you just read the goddamn label?

• 1:00:45Hannah Berner?

  Because they make it look too... First of all, I'm always in a rush. I'm always rushing. And they make it, like, put it in red blinking lights. The aesthetics always the same. They're next... At least put him... I don't know, put it somewhere else, like where I can't reach it. Because I inevitably will always... It's like when you take conditioner accidentally and you start trying to put it as shampoo. Do you never do that?

• 1:01:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Never. Never. No.

• 1:01:08Hannah Berner?

  See, this is a daily thing for me. I was... Oh, my god.

• 1:01:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Never. Because you want to know what? In my shower, one row is just shampoo. The other row is just my conditioners. Then I have like... So everything has a row. Everything has a home.

• 1:01:23Hannah Berner?

  It's giving American Psycho.

• 1:01:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:28Paige DeSorbo?

  No, sometimes I think I could be... I could have a little... People could be right. I could have something a little bit wrong with me.

• 1:01:34Hannah Berner?

  Do you have Virgo in your chart?

• 1:01:36Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't. And I saw you post your Ask Me Anything that you have a little Virgo in your chart. And I don't... Are you on the... Are you on the cusp? Because I don't see that for you. My best friend in high school, one of my best friends in high school, she was a Virgo. And when I tell you, her notebook.

• 1:01:56Paige DeSorbo?

  I've never seen a notebook like this. First of all, her handwriting, spectacular. Her highlighting, her outlines. She went on actually to be a teacher, as she should.

• 1:02:07Hannah Berner?

  So Virgos come in all shapes and forms. Tell me, when it comes to my work, not my personal life, my work, am I not on the ball?

• 1:02:15Paige DeSorbo?

  True.

• 1:02:16Hannah Berner?

  Like responding to emails, having things ready by deadlines. That's where my Virgo comes out.

• 1:02:21Paige DeSorbo?

  That's actually very true. You are very on top of your career.

• 1:02:26Hannah Berner?

  They're also a little obsessive Virgos, like they're detail oriented. You know how like random things, I'll be like, I need to get this right.

• 1:02:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. No, you can like obsess. I think if you like really went to a doctor, you could be diagnosed a little bit with OCD.

• 1:02:40Hannah Berner?

  No, I fully have OCD. N A, N A, N A C H A D, A D H D.

• 1:02:46Paige DeSorbo?

  And you have a torn ACL.

• 1:02:51Hannah Berner?

  Wait, one more thing about Carolyn.

• 1:02:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:53Hannah Berner?

  She had to do this character where there's literally like only five seconds of footage of Carolyn Baset ever talking on camera.

• 1:03:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, like she had, yeah.

• 1:03:02Hannah Berner?

  So she had to just like read lots of books. Um, so that is also the hard part.

• 1:03:07Paige DeSorbo?

  I would assume her, their families weren't like involved where it's like she couldn't ask, like, oh, what was she like?

• 1:03:13Hannah Berner?

  The accuracy, so the accuracy you have to take with a grain of salt for this.

• 1:03:17Paige DeSorbo?

  And a lot of people are, have like come out and been like, okay, their love story was actually like super toxic.

• 1:03:24Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:25Paige DeSorbo?

  And I'm like, oh, you know.

• 1:03:27Hannah Berner?

  Stuart, who was on the road with me, told me, there's a really good podcast to listen to about the Kennedy men. There's a podcast somewhere, I'll put it in the newsletter about the Kennedy men and like there's, there's lore there.

• 1:03:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, it's from this show, it really does seem like

• 1:03:46Paige DeSorbo?

  JFK Junior didn't want to be in like politi- like it doesn't seem like he wanted to be a lawyer. It actually seems like he liked art and like he liked

• 1:03:59Hannah Berner?

  He wanted to be an actor.

• 1:04:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Film and TV. Yeah. So that like, that alone makes me sad for him. Like, I couldn't imagine being born into a family and it's like. Like how like the Royals do it, like remember when Prince Harry left and everyone was like death to Prince Harry?

• 1:04:17Hannah Berner?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:04:17Paige DeSorbo?

  And it's like, okay, guys chill out. He wants to just like pick strawberries with his wife.

• 1:04:23Hannah Berner?

  Also, he had this sad moment where he, not to like be a nepo baby, um, apologist, but he was like, by twenty-six, my dad already like had been a war veteran, like, got his degrees, had kids, like all these things.

• 1:04:40Paige DeSorbo?

  JFK Junior saying this?

• 1:04:41Hannah Berner?

  About his dad.

• 1:04:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:43Hannah Berner?

  And he's like, and I'm twenty-eight and I have nothing. And it's like, he didn't ask to be put on that, like have that kind of ex-

• 1:04:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Pressure.

• 1:04:52Hannah Berner?

  Pressure and like expectations. So he feels like a fucking loser, even though he's just living his life.

• 1:04:58Paige DeSorbo?

  That's why I do have a little sympathy for Brooklyn Beckham. Like I do feel a little bit bad for him because I'm like, I couldn't, I wonder what it's like having two of the most famous people in England be your parents for two like very specific genres of things. And then it's, people are like, and what do you do?

• 1:05:16Hannah Berner?

  And I feel like-

• 1:05:16Paige DeSorbo?

  Like I feel there's so much pressure.

• 1:05:18Hannah Berner?

  Cause it's not relatable. People don't talk about it, like how to raise your kids if you're famous. Like, I don't know, maybe there's like-

• 1:05:24Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know how they would do that.

• 1:05:25Hannah Berner?

  A book that like Reese Witherspoon is like passing around to her friends, but like, I feel like there's a Google Doc.

• 1:05:32Paige DeSorbo?

  That Reese is like, hold on, here's what you do.

• 1:05:35Hannah Berner?

  Reese Witherspoon has a Google Doc she's sending to famous moms, um, on how to raise kids. But it's like, there's no like rulebook that we know of, of how to not raise kids who are fucked up. And some of them, just because if they're really successful nepo babies, still doesn't mean they're not fucked up.

• 1:05:52Paige DeSorbo?

  I do low-key sometimes feel really bad for certain nepo babies. People are really mean to, some more than others. I kind of feel like if you were a nepo, if you're a nepo baby and no one's heard of you until like you literally do what your job is, people are like more okay. Where like,

• 1:06:10Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Like people are so mean to Hailey Bieber, but I feel like it's because they saw her in the press, like grow up.

• 1:06:16Hannah Berner?

  People also don't want to see you trying to get your dreams as a nepo baby.

• 1:06:21Paige DeSorbo?

  No, they don't.

• 1:06:22Hannah Berner?

  Like they don't want to see you attempting, um, and they also don't want to see you say, I don't have an advantage from being a nepo baby, which like they shouldn't say that stuff, which made me think about-

• 1:06:33Hannah Berner?

  Like hate on Addison Rae.

• 1:06:36Hannah Berner?

  All these people hate nepo babies, but then you also hate people who come from TikTok. So who's allowed to do well?

• 1:06:44Paige DeSorbo?

  I love Addison Rae.

• 1:06:46Hannah Berner?

  It's a lose lose. Like if you, so what's the right way to come up? You have to wait for a powerful director to pick you randomly out of a hat?

• 1:06:54Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what's funny is after we were talking about Cardi B and how she was like on reality TV, I literally got like served a TikTok clip of one of the like male DJs on Love and Hip Hop being like, "I'll never take Cardi B seriously." And then the edit was like her winning her first Grammy.

• 1:07:11Hannah Berner?

  No, I'm crying again.

• 1:07:12Paige DeSorbo?

  It's also like, I do think, not to bring it back to like, everyone hates women, but I do think people are way harder on female nepo babies than male.

• 1:07:25Hannah Berner?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, I can't even think of a boy nepo baby right now.

• 1:07:28Hannah Berner?

  Besides Brooklyn Beckham.

• 1:07:30Paige DeSorbo?

  It's like, I can't think of, like, one doesn't immediately pop into my head, is what I'm saying.

• 1:07:36Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Because people just like aren't, it's, maybe it's like not as fun being mean to men on the internet. I don't know. I find it enjoyable, but I don't.

• 1:07:46Hannah Berner?

  You're like, we should dabble in it. Maybe try it out.

• 1:07:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, watching some things on the internet where you're like, you're letting him get away with that? That's crazy, because if a girl did that, you would have had her canceled four days ago. She would have been done.

• 1:08:00Hannah Berner?

  The steak would have been on fire.

• 1:08:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:04Hannah Berner?

  Well, on that positive note.

• 1:08:07Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's all we have for today.

• 1:08:09Hannah Berner?

  We're gonna leave you with that, just to think about. Um, thank you guys so much for giggling with us, and we'll talk to you later this week. Bye.

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