Your Relationship with Time is Misunderstood.

In this episode of The GaryVee Audio Experience, I talk about why your relationship with time is very misunderstood, and why people get into substantial depression in their early 30s believing they blew it. I share the truth about my own timeline: at 31 I worked in a liquor store and never made more than $50,000 a year, and I didn't make $100,000 a year until I was 36. I also discuss why the world is void of scaled positivity, how kindness is my differentiator, and why managing many businesses is like raising six kids. You'll learn about:• Your Relationship With Time • Why Kindness Is the Differentiator• Managing Micro Mistakes• The Rise of Scaled Positivity• Humility as the Path to Confidence

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  This is the Gary Vee Audio Experience.

• 0:04Speaker 01

  I have a bone to pick with you.

• 0:05Speaker 00

  Please.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  A question. You have these tweets or threats and then things about you're only 40 years old, you're still young.

• 0:14Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  Your life is still ahead of you. What you mean behind that, so I have an idea, so I can...

• 0:18Speaker 00

  That's a great question. A lot of people struggle when I talk about that.

• 0:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 0:22Speaker 00

  I see a lot of people like, "Gary, you're fucking wrong." I always laugh because their counterpoint is you should be going hard, like you should attack in your youth. And I'm like, "Does anybody watch all the other shit I put out?"

• 0:35Speaker 01

  Right.

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  I think it's contextual. My biggest belief, when I look at 8 billion people, is their relationship with time is very misunderstood.

• 0:43Speaker 01

  Right.

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  That people get into very substantial depression in their early 30s because they literally believe that they blew it.

• 0:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:52Speaker 00

  And I think that needs to be addressed. Especially because at my...

• 0:56Speaker 01

  You're pretty much saying like, you know, your past is history. Don't let your challenges overtake you. You're still young, you can still keep going.

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  I'm just incredibly practical. I don't care about people's emotional opinions on subjective thoughts. For example, there's unlimited people that got their shit together in their 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s.

• 1:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

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  Unlimited.

• 1:18Speaker 01

  Well, let me...

• 1:18Speaker 00

  Let me keep breaking this down. If a 27-year-old, if a 32-year-old is walking around here right now and looking at 20-year-olds or 15-year-olds making tons of money, which is what this world is.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  Right, right.

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  And they're like, "I'm a fucking loser. This 16-year-old next to me just sold his card for $40,000.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  Right.

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  I don't even have $40,000." If that guy, right now, that 32-year-old goes, "My life blows, it's over."

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  It actually is.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:49Speaker 00

  Like, how you see life is how it is. So for me to... I don't think I'm selling delusion. I think I'm selling practicality. There is unlimited people on Earth. That got their financial or emotional happiness at 35, at 42, at 57, at 64, at 71. How do I know? I get millions of messages.

• 2:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  Why do I DM you? Because I'm in my shit. I watch. And so like when people, people are trying to act like I'm the person out here making people like, people lazy or, or lack of, like, I, I laugh at this. It makes me laugh.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  I was like, this is absolute zero sense. Like, why is he telling people it's okay, you're only 30 and so, you know, you have the whole.

• 2:33Speaker 00

  It's contextual.

• 2:34Speaker 01

  I, I look at it from more like urgency, speed, momentum, adrenaline, get going.

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  You ready for this? There's nobody here that does more urgency, speed, momentum and going than me. I'm 13, I'm on the cover of Entrepreneur Magazine this month and says how he runs 13 businesses.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  I have three full-time admins and two chiefs of staff because I'm that busy.

• 2:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  But if I thought it was a rap or I've accomplished as much as I can at this point, I'd be done.

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  Yeah.

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  It's the reverse of what people think.

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  Right, right, right.

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  Like, for someone like you or me, we don't need to think there's more time. We naturally have urgency. For 99% of the people that consume my content and your content,

• 3:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  they're looking at the half glass full, not the half glass empty.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:23Speaker 00

  How old are you?

• 3:24Speaker 01

  31.

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  You've accomplished a good amount for 31.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  Future man, yeah.

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  I will tell you that if this is what you accomplish in your whole life, you will be devastated.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  If you and I are hanging out and having dinner when you're 72 and this is the peak.

• 3:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  You'll be dead. You'll be devastated.

• 3:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:42Speaker 00

  So you need to know the truth, which is at 31, I worked in a liquor store.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  And I never made more than $50,000 a year in my life. So for you, like, you're, you guys all grew up with all this shit that I've been talking about. So you could get further at 31 in this generation. I'm 50, we couldn't get like this at 31. The internet didn't exist like this.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  But if you decided this is it, like that you didn't have 30 to 40, 50 more years to build, you would struggle to build.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:18Speaker 00

  It's a different angle on the comment.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  You know, you have so many great businesses running, right? And obviously you're competing with good time people as well. What are you doing differently from everyone else to helping you get ahead of the game? What's different?

• 4:30Speaker 00

  It's funny, I'm by nature very competitive, but in business, I'm weird. I don't really even, I'll tell you one of the things I do.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Right.

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  I'm gonna answer it a different way, I just started talking, I'm gonna twist it. I spend zero time paying attention to anybody else. Zero. Zero. When I tell you, when I see people winning, people that I've helped with, to higher levels than me, it doesn't fuck with me the way, I'm blown away by A players that I surround myself with, who are overly fascinated that there's other A players that are making more money, have prettier girls, have more stuff. I'm always blown away by that. I'm, I think my biggest mindset is abundance. I'm in my own game. I'm in my own cocoon, I'm in the arena. I'm weirdly, weirdly, that's why I hit all of you up. I weirdly cheer for others in a way that makes me very different.

• 5:24Speaker 01

  He's right, I can agree with that.

• 5:26Speaker 02

  I've seen it, I've watched it.

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  Like, when you mess with me, I kid you not, I've seen it exactly, ever since that day, I go out, I have two jobs, I'm a full-time preschool teacher, and also I still do my contribution as well too.

• 5:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's incredible.

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  Even after work, I work like 16 hours a day, emails left and right. But since that day, I kid you not, I triple the amount of balls that I've gained in the past year.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  And the thing about Con Heel and Stop, he's just like you and I.

• 5:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, bro. Why would you stop when you're, when you're enjoying it and you're, when you're ambitious? And you're enjoying it?

• 5:58Speaker 02

  It's not worth it.

• 5:59Speaker 00

  It's never.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  Give me your lifestyle.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  Would you be okay if I do a quick, what do you do for a living video? Would I be okay with it?

• 6:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, of course, of course.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  I wanna just run it up on you.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is gonna do 10 million views. I'm pretty confident.

• 6:12Speaker 00

  Give me one second.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  I love that outfit.

• 6:17Speaker 00

  By the way, you got the real outfit. We're talking outfits. I do too many things. You caught me at the right time.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  You could put up the edit of Entrepreneur Magazine. On the cover it says, "How he Runs 13 Businesses." I am a fucking true bread entrepreneur.

• 6:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:32Speaker 00

  Whether it's a wine business, a marketing firm, this Disney Pokémon-like business, be friends that I'm at here with, sports agency, restaurant group.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  How do you manage everything all at once?

• 6:43Speaker 00

  People. You know, three admins, two chiefs of staff, AI systems, open claw, Claude, infrastructure. But number one, and I know your audience, I know how you roll, all of you need to hear this. The number one way I handle it all, juggle it all, is I don't beat myself up when I fuck up or lose.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:05Speaker 00

  The way you actually handle it is your relationship with yourself. Every one of you fuckers.

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  Yeah.

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  Whether you're winning heavy, or you're laying on the couch and not doing shit. Every one of you. If you're able to have a good relationship with yourself, and you realize you're just a fucking person.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  If you don't get high on your own fucking supply, and think you're somebody when you make a couple of bucks, or get a couple of followers. If you keep it humble with yourself, and you keep it nice to yourself when you misstep, when you lose money, when you lose momentum, when you're just, when you're nice to yourself.

• 7:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:37Speaker 00

  Bro, I fucking make 100 micro-mistakes a month.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  But that will never stop me from growing macroly because I'm doing a million things.

• 7:44Speaker 01

  Got it. Gary, the question I have for you is, if there's one word that defines us as a person, one word, what would it be?

• 7:51Speaker 00

  Me?

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  I'm kind. Kind, bro. This is why I'm weird. I'm a gangster. I'll fucking slice everyone's throat in business just like everyone else out here. But the reason I'm different is I'm fucking kind. And that's why I feel a little different.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  Got it. Thank you, Gary. Go. Take care.

• 8:08Speaker 00

  Hey everybody, I hope you're enjoying the podcast right now. Make sure you follow the podcast, that's why I'm interrupting. Let's keep going on this show, but follow the podcast. It'll make my mom super happy. Nice to meet you. Callie, how are you?

• 8:20Speaker 03

  Good, how are you doing?

• 8:21Speaker 00

  Very well.

• 8:21Speaker 03

  Congrats on all of your success.

• 8:23Speaker 00

  Thank you, you're very sweet.

• 8:24Speaker 03

  I just, I had a quick question for you. In terms of like building this out?

• 8:27Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 8:28Speaker 03

  And like the passion that you have. Like how do you stay motivated when it seems kind of so big? That another thing might not be worth it? When you hit roadblocks and all that?

• 8:40Speaker 00

  You know, for me, I want people to fall in love with these characters because these characters scale what I've been doing for 15 years on the internet, which is, there's just not enough people that are selling love and accountability and kindness and patience. The world is void of scaled positivity. You know, it's so easy to sell fear and negativity. And so, for me, it's very easy because even in the hardest days, when it's not going well, I know that if one parent, one kid, one human falls in love with this universe and gets out of, like their anxieties relieved a little bit,

• 9:23Speaker 00

  or their depression is chipped away at, I think the mission is so big emotionally.

• 9:29Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 9:30Speaker 00

  That the financial part and the business part, it feels so small to the mission. It's a little bit like Jim Henson, I think.

• 9:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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  The more I've learned about his career, I'm like, oh, this makes sense. Like, sure, he wanted Sesame Street and The Muppets and Fraggle Rock to do well commercially. I want to build a very big business if I can. But when, when, when you know you're doing something a little bit bigger, when it's not just about the business.

• 10:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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  It makes, it's like parenting.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:04Speaker 00

  You know, like, you don't like give up because today was a shitty day.

• 10:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

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  And so like, and I'm also a little bit of a psycho. Like, I kind of like the tough days more than the good days. There's a, I'm incredibly motivated by adversity and challenges.

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  I don't view those as self-esteem dings. I look at them as like fun hurdles to jump over. So I think my disposition and perspective on life is very conducive to building something big.

• 10:38Speaker 04

  And how long did this take you from ideation to completion to?

• 10:42Speaker 00

  I mean, we started this five years ago.

• 10:43Speaker 04

  Five years.

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  And so, you know, the first several years were fully digital. Digital collectibles, NFTs. Over the last three years, it's been much more physical. And so, comics, cards, coins, cartoons. Now with comic books, we're really going into the, really building out the IP. Like, a lot of people collect because they love me and what I've built over the last 20 years. Now I need them to fall in love with my characters. Now it needs to be Spider-Man, Superman, Mickey Mouse. So that's where I'm at.

• 11:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, thank you for your time.

• 11:19Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 11:19Speaker 04

  Great to meet you.

• 11:20Speaker 00

  What are you doing here?

• 11:21Speaker 04

  I'm, I actually work for TOS.

• 11:23Speaker 00

  Very cool.

• 11:23Speaker 04

  So, yeah, but I'm touring around with, I work on the Harvest Cup Kids license.

• 11:28Speaker 00

  No way.

• 11:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, so it's very cool.

• 11:30Speaker 00

  Well, Mayhem's the best. You guys, it's really fun to see what you guys are doing.

• 11:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, but thank you for your time. Appreciate it.

• 11:35Speaker 00

  I wish you well.

• 11:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, thank you.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  Gary, I just want to say thank you. My name is Paul Greco. My son, Michael Greco, wrote you an email.

• 11:42Speaker 00

  He sure did.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  A few months ago.

• 11:43Speaker 00

  He sure did.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  He's ecstatic to meet you. He's actually volunteering here today. He reached out to Mike Conley.

• 11:49Speaker 00

  That's awesome.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  And he's a grinder.

• 11:51Speaker 00

  Clearly.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  He's saying, I would love to volunteer. He's actually at the NASCAR booth until like 2 o'clock.

• 11:57Speaker 00

  That's awesome. He'll be here all weekend?

• 11:59Speaker 01

  He's here all day today and then, or tomorrow.

• 12:02Speaker 00

  All right, tell him I'll be, I'll be here literally, physically, all day tomorrow. I'm leaving a little bit with my son. I have to go to my family thing, but.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  He's so excited to meet you.

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  I can't wait to see him.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 12:11Speaker 00

  Hello, Gary. What's up? Nice to meet you. Cody. My partner, Jordan Rubin. Tudor. We're big card.

• 12:17Speaker 05

  Guys, we got a booth downstairs who make custom car covers.

• 12:20Speaker 00

  That's awesome!

• 12:20Speaker 05

  But today, we're showing off our Fanatics, NASCAR and NBA licensed car covers.

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  Good for you!

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  And our mini covers that we did for the license with Hot Wheels.

• 12:27Speaker 00

  That's fucking awesome, good for you guys!

• 12:29Speaker 05

  We have a Hot Wheels license as well, one of the first things we did in our business. And now we're working with them on these mini covers for toys.

• 12:34Speaker 00

  Good for you, smart.

• 12:35Speaker 06

  Are you a collector or no?

• 12:36Speaker 00

  Car?

• 12:37Speaker 06

  No, do you know, no, like, car?

• 12:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, driving car.

• 12:39Speaker 00

  I don't.

• 12:39Speaker 06

  Oh, you don't?

• 12:40Speaker 00

  I've never been passionate about it, but I'm very close historically to Mattel.

• 12:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, of course.

• 12:45Speaker 00

  Uh, Richard Dixon, who's now the CEO of Gap, was the COO there. And we did a lot of stuff together.

• 12:50Speaker 05

  Right-hand man.

• 12:51Speaker 00

  I'm very, very bullish on, on Hot Wheels collecting.

• 12:55Speaker 05

  Biggest toy in the world.

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  Like, I know, I know all about the redline tires and all that stuff.

• 12:58Speaker 05

  One of our-

• 12:59Speaker 00

  It's cool, it's cool.

• 13:01Speaker 05

  One of our good friends, Bruce Pascal, he's a celebrity Hot Wheels collector. He has a single toy beach bomb worth over a million dollars.

• 13:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know, I know.

• 13:07Speaker 05

  It's the most expensive.

• 13:08Speaker 00

  That's awesome, I know that world quite well.

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  Yeah, so with our business, what we did first was we licensed with a bunch of different brands.

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  Yep.

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  Our full-size covers, here they are. We're the home of the photorealistic car cover. We covered a forty million dollar Ferrari with it. That's the cover on.

• 13:22Speaker 00

  It's really cool.

• 13:23Speaker 05

  So it's a really nice thing to bring to the fans, you know?

• 13:25Speaker 00

  How did it start?

• 13:26Speaker 05

  Um, wow, three years ago, yeah. Three years ago, I, you know, I'm a crazy car guy since before I'm born. And, uh, the first car we ever covered was a purple Lambo, and it went super viral.

• 13:35Speaker 00

  And away you went.

• 13:35Speaker 05

  And, and we're tech, we're, yeah. Thousands of covers done.

• 13:38Speaker 00

  Go figure.

• 13:38Speaker 05

  We have the official license with Mopar, Dodge, Chrysler, Ram, um, NASCAR, the NBA.

• 13:43Speaker 00

  Good for you. Where are you guys based?

• 13:44Speaker 05

  Los Angeles.

• 13:45Speaker 00

  LA?

• 13:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, if you're ever in town, let us know. How can I get in touch with you?

• 13:48Speaker 00

  I'm [email protected].

• 13:50Speaker 05

  Sounds good.

• 13:50Speaker 00

  I read every fucking email.

• 13:51Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 13:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, of course.

• 13:52Speaker 05

  Thanks, Gary. Big fans of yours, brother.

• 13:54Speaker 00

  Good to see you. How you been?

• 13:55Speaker 06

  Had a song.

• 13:56Speaker 00

  I remember, I remember.

• 13:57Speaker 06

  Uh, I didn't know you were here, so just saying hello.

• 13:58Speaker 00

  I'm glad.

• 13:59Speaker 06

  I'm over to your office now, uh, today.

• 14:01Speaker 00

  That's awesome. You good?

• 14:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, I'm good, yeah.

• 14:03Speaker 00

  Oh, well?

• 14:03Speaker 06

  Working with the team.

• 14:04Speaker 00

  Good, good, great to see you.

• 14:05Speaker 06

  See you later.

• 14:06Speaker 05

  Thanks, Gary.

• 14:11Speaker 00

  Thank you, stay well. Please, please. Pleasure. Thank you, brother. Thank you so much. Take care. How are you? Sorry, just want to say that. Oh, okay, go, please. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, I listen to you. I do want to say this summer, I chose not to go to camp and I'm working. My man. What's your name? Jake Segura. Jake, so nice to meet you, brother. You well? Man, awesome. Thank you, man. Tell my son, yeah, of course. My man. Want me to take a full shot of you guys? If you want a selfie? I'll get a thing. Stay well. Stay well. Nice to meet you. Gotta be kind, gotta be kind. Stay well. I will, brother, come over. I'll say, we actually, I'm Josh. We actually met before, I live in Springfield. We met at when you launched V Friends at Wayne Library. Thank you, Judge. Good to see you. I remember. Let's fucking go, man. A little bit of full circle moment. That's awesome. And that's all I was going to say, so cool. Thank you, to see you. Come a long way.

• 14:56Speaker 00

  Thank you. Tell my kids, collecting lots of love to V Friends, so. That's awesome. And I work on Merrill Sachs, that's how we originally met. Oh, that's right. So, you did amazing work for us. So, I've left since then, but thank you for all the hard work. Of course, brother. You and Tyler. You doing well? Yeah, I'm doing great. I moved over to Pfizer, so. Good for you. From brand to another. Good for you. Going to the city, not so great from Springfield. We need a train. We don't have one. I know, I know. That'd be nice. Trust me. Something I've thought about for 30 years. You know, I figure I'd see you and you're here. I'm glad, I'm glad, brother. Say hi. Good to see you, stay well, brother. Why not? Keep it coming, you know? Yeah, I'm good for now, thank you for asking. Come on, let's do it again. Yeah? Thank you. Hopefully see you back in Springfield at some point. I love that. Good to see you, brother, stay well.

• 15:31Speaker 05

  Gary, I'm Jerome.

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  Jerome, how are you?

• 15:33Speaker 05

  Nice to meet you.

• 15:34Speaker 00

  Nice to meet you, brother.

• 15:35Speaker 05

  I'm Jake, I love your work.

• 15:36Speaker 00

  Thank you, brother.

• 15:37Speaker 05

  Can I just get a picture?

• 15:38Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 15:39Speaker 05

  We're big fans, so nice to meet you.

• 15:40Speaker 00

  Thank you, what's your name, darling?

• 15:41Speaker 05

  My name's Den, Den Hanson.

• 15:42Speaker 00

  Den, nice to meet you.

• 15:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm a leader, I just actually left my job, and then I've used like, everything that you put in social. Like, this is why, you gotta work with good people.

• 15:45Speaker 00

  It's everything.

• 15:46Speaker 05

  It really is.

• 15:47Speaker 00

  Like, you're gonna wake up, you wake up one day and you're like, for what?

• 15:48Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 15:49Speaker 00

  It's not worth the odds of that.

• 15:50Speaker 05

  You're exactly right, so.

• 15:51Speaker 00

  Good, pleasure, yes.

• 15:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, nice to meet you.

• 15:53Speaker 00

  Stay well, man, nice to meet you, take care. Of course. Hey, nice to meet you. So, I've noticed, like, trading cards have...

• 16:34Speaker 00

  Yes, in a real fucking way.

• 16:37Speaker 06

  Like, like, like, all other collectible markets, sneakers, high-tech clothing, have all, like, shot down.

• 16:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, because there's only so many, because so much of this is flippers. And as you know, a lot of the flippers that were into sneakers went to cards.

• 16:52Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 16:53Speaker 00

  But it ebbs and flows.

• 16:54Speaker 06

  Totally.

• 16:57Speaker 06

  Also, I work for a sports personalization company called Photoball. We put custom images of soccer balls and stuff like that, and footballs and stuff like that. What do you think, like, and you work for some companies like the NBA, and the NFL. What do you think, like?

• 17:23Speaker 06

  Obviously, and you're big into influencer marketing, and you have partners with some of the biggest influencers in the world. How did you, like, really get into that?

• 17:32Speaker 00

  I created that.

• 17:33Speaker 06

  You created it?

• 17:34Speaker 00

  I was, I was the first guy. You know, Logan, Steven, all those guys grew up on my stuff. I was so ahead. But that influencer marketing is much smaller than content. It's just content on social. But it's like any other skill, you gotta get good at it. You know what I mean?

• 17:53Speaker 06

  And also, you have, like, you have a lot of confidence in yourself, too.

• 17:58Speaker 00

  That's mainly because I don't put other people on a pedestal. And I also am not trying to impress anyone. Like, the more humble you are, the more confident you become. When you're not trying to impress anyone here, all of a sudden, it's easy to be confident. When you are trying to impress other people, that's when insecurity seeps in.

• 18:18Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 18:19Speaker 00

  Makes sense? So I've always just lived within my own mind, my own head, my own world, and I think that's helped me. And at this young of an age, it's hard to do that, but I promise you, if you've heard me, it will help you. It's been a pleasure.

• 18:32Speaker 06

  And I got something.

• 18:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, of course.

• 18:38Speaker 07

  Someone kicked your coffee. I gotta get another one.

• 18:41Speaker 00

  It's okay, I'm good Jen.

• 18:43Speaker 06

  Three, two, one.

• 18:45Speaker 00

  Nice to meet you brother.

• 18:46Speaker 06

  Hi.

• 18:46Speaker 00

  I wish you well. Enjoy. Hey, I'm your L. Yeah.

• 18:51Speaker 06

  Ben, nice to meet you Gary.

• 18:52Speaker 00

  Pleasure.

• 18:53Speaker 06

  I'm friends with Dio and Tyler and the guys, so I've been texting them. But I run a company called Visitor Media, like the college media network.

• 19:00Speaker 00

  Very cool.

• 19:00Speaker 06

  So we have like 20 college hosts across the country that are both like athletes and like aspiring creators. We specialize in like man on the street content that's going well. And then like we monetize it through brand partnerships primarily. So like all the DDC brands that are looking to like reach the college market. So it's been a lot of fun.

• 19:19Speaker 00

  That's cool.

• 19:19Speaker 06

  And then I started this uh...

• 19:21Speaker 00

  Sounds like it.

• 19:21Speaker 06

  There's this clothing brand called New York Minute. So I was like, thought it was crazy that no one owns the trademark for all in a New York Minute. So I bought it a year and a half ago.

• 19:29Speaker 00

  Very cool.

• 19:29Speaker 06

  And you know it takes a year, right? So I've been working on that now and then after the Knicks one, we have like this Knicks inspired collection. All organic influencer gift thing is starting to do really well, so.

• 19:37Speaker 00

  Good for you.

• 19:38Speaker 06

  But yeah, I guess like my, my question that I talked to Nick about is like, how to spend time allocated across the board as a small team, you know?

• 19:48Speaker 00

  I uh, I uh, it comes in a lot of shapes and sizes.

• 19:51Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 19:53Speaker 00

  I think it's mainly about not judging yourself on Monday morning about how you played the game on Sunday.

• 19:59Speaker 06

  Right.

• 20:00Speaker 00

  Like, when I look back at the way I built everything, all the different businesses, like, I don't know if there was ever a week, a day, a minute,

• 20:10Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 20:11Speaker 00

  a month or a year where I played it exactly as I wanted to.

• 20:16Speaker 06

  Right.

• 20:16Speaker 00

  I think the biggest difference between people that build meaningful things and people that struggle to get it to a level is their own judgment on themselves.

• 20:24Speaker 06

  Totally.

• 20:25Speaker 00

  Like how do you balance it?

• 20:26Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 20:27Speaker 00

  By fucking going with your gut. If tomorrow you wake up and you gotta put more effort into New York Minute because you're sensing something, but because of that, the fucking college network is down a little bit more? That happens to me every day.

• 20:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 20:39Speaker 00

  Like, like for the first three months of this year, VaynerMedia was a very big focus. I focused on V Friends last two months. I see it show up on VaynerMedia.

• 20:47Speaker 06

  Right.

• 20:49Speaker 00

  Like it's like managing six kids like you can't like you're gonna one of the six kids is gonna be in the worst like so the way you management manage it is by looking forward instead of back.

• 20:59Speaker 06

  Sure. Yeah.

• 21:01Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? It's your relationship with yourself.

• 21:03Speaker 06

  Right. And then in the early days, how did you know when it was time to like learn how like when it was time to delegate ultimately?

• 21:09Speaker 00

  I'm a big, I mean, as soon as I can afford it. My biggest advantage in hindsight was I didn't think I needed to make money for most of my life.

• 21:18Speaker 06

  Yeah. Yeah, because it's a long life, 100 plus years, right?

• 21:21Speaker 00

  So what I did way better than most was I didn't make a hundred thousand dollars a year until I was 36 years old.

• 21:26Speaker 06

  Right.

• 21:27Speaker 00

  And I was building at 22.

• 21:29Speaker 06

  Absolutely.

• 21:30Speaker 00

  I just was, I always think it's time to delegate employees. How are you gonna build something by yourself? Now, you know, it's funny with AI now, you can do more and more. Everybody, if you enjoyed this podcast, please go back and look at the prior episodes. They're loaded. I appreciate your attention and thanks for being part of this journey. See you later.

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