Why IP and StoryTelling are Essential to Building a Brand in 2026

In this episode of the GaryVee Audio Experience, I sit down with Omar from Near Mint Condition to discuss the most important project I’m working on: VeeFriends Comics. I explain why storytelling is the ultimate foundation for any brand and why I’ve decided to dive deep into the world of comic books. I also dive deep into my personal creative process - from my original character doodles to "collaborative conviction" off-sites with industry legends like Jim Rugg and DJ Coffman. You’ll learn about:The Importance of Origin Stories for Brand BuildingMy Creative "Marvel Method" for VeeFriends

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  The only reason I have unlimited Batman and Iron Man and Superman rookie cards is because we fell in love with the character. Not Stan Lee, right? Not Bob Kane, not Jim Henson, not Walt Disney, but Mickey Mouse and Big Bird and Batman and Superman. And so when I built We Friends, I knew that trading cards was going to be a big part of how we built the brand. But I knew that there was no way for me to actually build this universe without. This is the Gary Vee Audio Experience.

• 1:31Speaker 03

  How's it going, everybody? This is the uncanny Omar from Nierman Condition, the whole collected additions. To my right is a gentleman that probably doesn't need introduction, but just in case, it is Gary Vee. How are you, Gary?

• 1:43Speaker 02

  I am well, my friend. How are you?

• 1:45Speaker 03

  Doing well. Thank you so much for joining me today. I know you're a busy guy, busy schedule, ripping and running always. So I have no idea how you have the time to sit here and talk to people like I'm telling you. But that's what we're here to do. We're here to talk about comics and why comics. And I have so many questions for you. And I'm trying to condense them down to just a couple that you can take the time to answer.

• 2:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, uh, uh, yeah, why comic books? Uh, we were talking about Be Friends.

• 2:14Speaker 02

  Yep, yep, um.

• 2:16Speaker 03

  So Be Friends is a, uh, is something that you guys are publishing and putting out, and you've got wonderful people attached to the projects, and wonderful people are attached to the actual comics, such as Jim Rugg, who has kind of come out of, from the hiding, I guess, because he hasn't been really doing a lot of things, and this is kind of his first published thing, and he's, uh, got the title of a comic brand, and he's excited to be working on comics again. Uh, how did all this come about?

• 2:45Speaker 02

  You know, five years ago, I'm sorry for the empty shelves, everyone. I know you're accustomed to me having a lot of things. Usually I would have some great comics here to interject. Uh, five years ago, I started this brand called Be Friends, a world of 250 characters. And from the day I created it, I knew comics would be a very big part of it, because comics were a very big part of my world and my life, growing up. Um, I'm more known as a sports card trading guy, but in the 90s, uh, I had multiple spurts. I was a Fantastic Four reader in 88, 89, 90. And then I, I bought a thousand, I bought, excuse me, 100,

• 3:27Speaker 02

  100 copies of Carnage's first appearance, um, which was a good decision. Yes, I did. And I sold them at my baseball card show, and did really well with them, and always, you know, grew up on Justice League, and Batman, Adam West, and loves, was a, I'm a very heavy superhero toy collector. So I have a massive Migos collection, and I have a ton of Secret Wars and Superpowers mint on card, and I have cases and cases of toy biz.

• 4:00Speaker 02

  Action hero figures in my attic right now. And so I did a lot with superheroes from a collectible standpoint.

• 4:12Speaker 02

  And then I have 4 trillion Valiant comics. Bloodshot #2 and Turk #1 and all that stuff. And that was a mistake. But comics was a bigger part and action heroes and superheroes were a bigger part of my world than I think the public knew. And when I built V Friends, I knew that trading cards was gonna be a big part of how we built the brand. But I knew that there was no way for me to actually build this universe without comics. Ultimately, for anyone who's tuning in that's new, there's a lot of people that collected V Friends 5 years ago as a thank you to all my content or the things that I did, as a NFT that got them a ticket to a 3-year business conference,

• 4:55Speaker 02

  as an investment or collectible investment in their minds because they thought I could actually make the universe work. But I knew for it to actually work, like, here's a little Jay Lee by the way, Motivated Monster, or Adventurous Astronaut, or Winnie and Gritty. Like, I knew that I had to tell the stories of these characters so that I had a foundation, you know, of stories. Because the only reason you're wearing a Jurassic Park, you know, like, play or something like that. Bubble bubble. Yeah. Like, you know, like, the only reason everything behind your thing,

• 5:37Speaker 02

  the only reason I have unlimited Batman and Iron Man and Superman rookie cards is because we fell in love with the character. Not Stan Lee, right? Not Bob Kane, not, you know, Jim Henson. Not Walt Disney, but Mickey Mouse and Big Bird and Batman and Superman. And so... I knew that it was gonna get traction, it has gotten traction, there's a huge community around collectors. Everybody here, brother, that would go to Ebay right now and type in VFriends and go to completed items, they would be stunned by how much activity and passion there is around our universe. But I've said pretty consistently now for a year, that the comic books are the most important thing we're doing. Cause this has to be way bigger than me,

• 6:20Speaker 02

  for it to even have a prayer to be what I want it to be. And, you know, DJ Kaufman, Jim Rugg, getting J. Scott Campbell to do the first cover, you know, all of this stuff is not by accident, like, we are being thoughtful, we're trying to onboard net new comic collectors. This is live right now, watch this. How many people in the chat bought their first ever comic or became a comic collector because of VFriends? Please say "me". And Omar, you'll see right now, I think we're gonna get several answers here. And so I think, you know, I think that has been a huge part of an excitement for me, right? Creating new collectors, right?

• 7:05Speaker 02

  But also doing all the right things, including to your point, I'm not sure, you know, I'm very flattered by you saying it, but you would be flabbergasted on actually how busy I actually am. But allocating this time to your show is a gift to me, not just me, you know, doing you a solid, because I wanna earn, over the next decade, I wanna earn the respect of the comic community by showing up at Emerald City, by doing this show, but most of all, by putting out really good stories, with really great covers and really great art. And so, you know, it's been pretty exciting, I wanna thank the comic community as a whole.

• 7:50Speaker 02

  Anytime a businessman, if they don't really know where my heart is, comes into something new, there's always, and you know this, the comic community is gonna be cynical to everything, there's so many flash in the pans, there's been so much bull crap, manufactured scarcity. So, I anticipated...

• 8:07Speaker 02

  It taking us a very long time to get to where we are even right now. Which is, we're starting to get people in the comic world being like, "Ho, this is... Hey, this might actually have a chance to be something." And I will tell you, Omar, because I work on them personally, the stories are the most important part of me, for this, for me. This is much more Jim Henson. You know what I would say? I would say, for me personally, the Stan Lee, X-Men thing is a big part of it. You know, the mutants being outcasts, talking about social issues. Most of the comics that I've put out, and we've put out, have real story behind them, real meaning around insecurity and confidence, or accountability, or why cynicism is lazy. And like, you know, just really important things, and I'm proud,

• 8:52Speaker 02

  you know, of the stories we're putting out. And I'm excited to follow the great men and women before me, and create these good comic books, great comic books, and then ladder them up to animated shows, and movies, and amusement parks. And we're really excited about the journey we're on, and I, um... I was very affected by superhero culture. And I have a lot of it in me. I can nerd out on Plastic Man, and Mighty Mouse, and, you know... I'm in it, way more than people realize, but I've been unusually quiet, by my standards, because I'm a big showman in a lot of ways.

• 9:34Speaker 02

  Because I really overly respect the community, and I just want to kind of tortoise versus hare of it. But I think our success has caught a lot of people off-guard, and has brought some cynicism, I'm sure, as well, like, why are these comics selling for so much? But we are working with great, high caliber people. I'm overtly in tune to going slow. But it's going fast as well, because there's a lot of good behind it.

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• 11:04Speaker 03

  So you're playing a role in this. It's not just you, starting a brand with your name. You said you actually are writing some of the comics?

• 11:13Speaker 02

  So it's been really cool. We do these major comic, the way we create our comics. So I drew every single character that exists. The way this product launched is I, with a magic marker, I doodled my whole life. I doodled every single character in this world.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  And then, what's amazing is I videotape. The way we do stories at Be Friends is we do three, four day, two day off sites. Me, DJ Kaufman, Jim Rug, Katie, you know, Chris Basson, Ally. And I've got many of the characters developed in my mind for five years. But I don't have every aspect. Some is blurry, some are very distinct. I would say motivated monster comic number five, I wrote. I mean, I wrote it in my words and then it was written. But there's not a story that I'm not involved in. We videotape all of it. So we're gonna have incredible stuff for the documentary where I'm like, "And this is what Griddy Ghost and Witty Weezer are doing."

• 12:14Speaker 02

  Obviously, there's some stories where a Katie, a DJ, a Jim will have even more of their DNA. But there's not a single book that doesn't have 20 to 50% of my DNA in it. And when I say my DNA, I'm like, this is the origin of this character. This is what this character is about. And so it's been really fun for me because I've been digging even deeper into the relationship of, you know, Kirby and Stanley and all this stuff like, and I'm like, "Oh wow." Like, you know, some of the most important people in comic history were more similar like me. There was like, they brought different things to the table. I'm not drawing it, I'm not writing every piece of dialogue. But, there's a couple of books coming out where I verbalized 85% of it.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  Um, and so yeah, I'm not the businessman and then hired good people to take care of this. I'm in this creatively, in a really significant way, including that I invented and created every single character. Hey everybody, uh, I hope you're enjoying the podcast right now. Make sure you follow the podcast, that's why I'm interrupting. Let's keep going on this show, but follow the podcast, it'll make my mom super happy.

• 13:21Speaker 03

  You know, the comics medium is a very, uh, energy-driven medium. It's, it's people working together to make one vision come true. So you playing a big part of it, really surprises me because as, as I said, I wasn't kidding, like, you are a busy guy, so you having a story that others, um, and draw and letter and color, uh, just kinda surprises me that you, you have a hand in every single issue. Uh, do you see yourself doing that in the long run?

• 13:56Speaker 02

  Yes, at least-

• 13:57Speaker 03

  How different is it now than when it started?

• 14:00Speaker 02

  I, all the way through until all the origin stories are done, and then, once the framework is set, as you can imagine, I wanna give creative freedom for the people I team up with and work with, you know, in a meaningful way, so, you know, I, um, I, as far as like, getting the 250 characters-

• 14:22Speaker 02

  Established, I need to be in the origin, right? And so, you know, again, like, that's why interviews like this are so fun, because you can go deeper. For example, Clayborne98 said, "Ask this to Gary: His NFTs are a scam, he's a scammer, Gary's a fraud." I'm empathetic to that, right? NFTs have such a tough brand out there, right? Omar, but, you know, if, and I would never expect Clayborne98 to do the homework on this, because I see so many people put out so many false things, but like, if you go look at VFriends as an NFT, not NFTs, like, there's incredibly black and white data on how it's still one of the most meaningful ones in the game and things of that nature. And the same thing with comics.

• 15:04Speaker 02

  I'm aware that so many people will assume what I'm doing, and your assumption makes sense to me. That would be my assumption, if I saw someone, but if, but unless people knew, like, my relationship with Green Lantern, or Hobgoblin, or like, you know, I lived through when The Punisher and Ghost Rider were much more famous than Black Panther or Iron Man, like, no one would know that, because I've not put out that content. You know, I promise you, for Jim Rugg, Jim came in, he, Jim was gonna work a little bit, like, on a side thing, and then came to an offsite and hung for a half a day, and left interested going all in.

• 15:47Speaker 02

  You know, and you know enough about the real OGs like Jim and others, they're not gonna do that if they think it's fugazi, and there's been so much fugazi in the comic world over the last 40 years. You know, so, again, it goes back to earning the trust of the community, and I think the best way to do that is by putting out really meaningfully good stories, great art, um, and, uh, I feel very confident in my storytelling ability, plus having great partners around me. DJ Kaufman deserves incredible amounts of flowers.

• 16:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, DJ's been at the game for a long time. He, uh, actually, we interviewed him a few years back, whenever he was doing things with, uh, the Spread Shop.

• 16:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 16:26Speaker 03

  He's, he's been at it for a while.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then-

• 16:28Speaker 03

  Uh, Jim, Jim has been at it for a long time doing independent comics. So it kinda surprised me the way that you two started working together, not, not really that, "Oh, you got Jim Rugg," but the fact that- You got Jim Rugg to come out of doing independent comics to do something like this. So, it's not just, just, I mean, let's be... Just looking at your background and how much you make. You could have gotten anybody to come and draw this, right? But the fact that you did it by getting somebody like DJ and getting somebody like Jim. I mean, that means that you're in it for the story. And somebody said this, and I was about to make this comment earlier. It's like the Marvel method on steroids.

• 17:12Speaker 03

  The way that Stan Lee would write things was, uh, here is the basic plot, Jack. Jack would go and draw the stories and then bring back the paper, you know, the pages, and Stan would write in the dialogue. And that was the Marvel method for a long time. And the way that you're doing it about like videoing it and talking about the stories with your creators. I mean, like I said, it's a group effort, so that makes sense that you're doing it that way.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's funny. Both Jim and DJ both gave me tremendous flowers. I was so humbled because I do massively respect their point of view. As they were going through the process, they're like, "Oh, this is really neat. This is a different style," right? You know, like, this, you know, they mentioned the Marvel... They educated me more. I mean, it was hazy to me. I won't, I'm not gonna claim anything that isn't. The Marvel method was a little more hazy to me. Obviously, I got very educated over this last year on many things. Marvel, DC, the history. But, um... We have, yeah, we have a similar process. I mean, I think, you know, and by the way, people we've worked with, like David Mack, you know, which we're starting to go deeper with.

• 18:18Speaker 02

  Even like, I was incredibly humbled by the way I feel Rob Liefeld has really leaned in behind the scenes with me. I think he sees it. You know, it's, it's, um, yeah, it's very clear to me what I'm trying to accomplish. And I would tell you that a lot of it has to do with more Jim Henson DNA, or... X-Men. X-Men really gets me because that book using mutants to make social commentary of like, "Let's not hate each other because we're different", shakes me to my bones as I'm saying it out loud today.

• 18:57Speaker 02

  And I have real purpose. The reason I'm so involved in the stories is I have a real purpose to what I want Accountable Ant to mean. And I have a real purpose of teaching patience through Patient Panda. And I have a real purpose on how I want to talk about tenacity and accountability and modern parenting and lack of judgment and what compassion really looks like. So, I couldn't rent out the truth. And so, we created a process that works for me. I think it touches on some stuff now in that golden era of Marvel. And I'm sure there'll be many more people in the future that do a process that works for them. So, we're not trying to replicate or advance or say it's on steroids.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  It's uniquely what works for us and it's collaborative. I call it with conviction, right? It's collaborative with conviction. There are certain things that I need to be true in this character development. But I have so much love for all the different ideas my team has on these characters and they blend into each other and they become whole and it's a lot of fun.

• 20:02Speaker 03

  So, as I do collected editions here. You spoke right to my heart whenever you said X-Men. Because they are everything to me. Without those issues of X-Men as a kid, I don't think I'd be doing this what I do now on YouTube. So, how is it different now than when you first started? Because for anybody that hasn't read V Friends, for anybody that's not doesn't know what V Friends is, what the idea is, how is the pitch originally and how is the pitch now? For these comics that you're putting out?

• 20:38Speaker 02

  They're pretty in like, we're, look, we're only a year in, so you can only change so much a year into comics. The brand's out for five years. We waited a long time to I waited a long time to find my DJ.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  And then it was like, "Okay, I'm ready."

• 20:56Speaker 02

  You know, right now, they're kind of going down the path of how I saw it. So, for example, back to like, what was needed to be true for me. I needed V Friends the comic, like, the V Friends brand. I needed that to be like Detective or Amazing Stories. It had to be the framework.

• 21:14Speaker 02

  And I needed to use those comics to be first appearance, right?

• 21:19Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  And then, if God willing, Notorious Ninja, Motivated Monster, Adventurous Astronaut, if they got real heat, we could spin it out and have Notorious Ninja number 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. So, a year in, the goal was to produce incredible origin story, first appearance comics, our golden age when I'm older one day. Where like, you know, these were all the books that had the first appearances. These were the origin stories. And then, be reactive if the world just overly fell in love with something and be prepared for spinouts, which may then go into bookstores, may go elsewhere. Right now, we're direct to consumer, we're on live shopping, we're starting to do a little wholesale, because the other thing is,

• 22:05Speaker 02

  we did bring an element of our trading cards DNA.

• 22:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, I saw that you had to do a blind bag.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  Yes, this was important to me, because I'd be lying, again, back to just being authentic. I love trading cards, and I love a pack, and I love, you know, like, the excitement of that and like, the collectability of that. So, it was important to me that we had a V Friends brand that replicated Detective and Amazing Stories, right? And then, be prepared for the consumer to react, and if we needed to, like, for example, Rare Robot has completely sold out. We don't even have Rare Robot anymore. There's a lot of heat around that character. You know, Adam Sipps makes an appearance, a character that's caught the attention of many. You know, do I then spin that out? And do I make that a broad distribution?

• 22:55Speaker 02

  Does that go into distribution? These are the things I'm thinking through, but a year in... That's right, thank you for that. Yeah, we've been in the trenches, trying to do the right things, meeting artists, meeting collectors, listening. But a year in, my friend, I would say it's been the course. Like, what we set out a year ago has happened. We're putting out good stories that are starting to catch the attention of people that have no idea who I am, or were even maybe cynical to my entrance, and they're like, "Wait a minute." You know, and every day you make good decisions, build a good team, the rugs of it all. Somebody picks up a comic, or goes to vfriends.com. Because another thing is I want people to read these stories. So three months after we put them out, the full comic is digitally available for free on vfriends.com/comics.

• 23:39Speaker 02

  You know, that's brought a lot of attention. People are like, "Wait, this is good." And when you have DJ, and when you have Jim, and Katie, and Faison, and then you... And I'm very, you know, humbly, I think I'm a much better fictional storyteller than anyone would ever guess. I know even people on my team were flabbergasted. I can't wait to go look at those videos when I'm older. Just jaw to the ground, like, "Where did that come from?" Because it's, you know, you'll appreciate this, I think a lot of creative people appreciate this. My creativity part of my life has been a very private part of my life. My doodling was private, my, the way I read books, you know. When my brother's 11 years younger than me, if he was here, he'd be like, "Well, I knew." Because when I was five, Gary would put me to sleep when he was 16,

• 24:22Speaker 02

  and he would just tell me stories that he made up from the dome on the spot. And so it's been really enjoyable to like flex this part of my life. And I think it's gonna end up creating a universe that, look, I have the biggest dreams in the world. I want to build a Marvel, DC, Disney. But even if I land at Transformers, or Voltron, or He-Man, or something in that nature, I have like really big dreams, and I really think we can pull it off. And the best part is I think the stories sit in 1980's good, and I think there's an important time and need for that as well.

• 24:59Speaker 03

  So, you're a Yeri. If somebody wanted to get something like, I love the fact that Rare Robot is the one that is out of print.

• 25:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 25:09Speaker 03

  Living up to his name.

• 25:12Speaker 03

  If somebody wanted to get that, they could read it digitally through the website.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Yes, sure.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  Like a physical comic is out of print. You said you're doing direct to consumer, so you've set up a new Comic Con. And, I'm curious, are you interested in going into the direct market and book market to make this wide? To go through comic book stores?

• 25:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure. I mean, Free Comic Book Day next year is a big goal and ambition of mine.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  To really support Lunar. Like, I'm paying attention to everything. Nothing is lost. I'm very deep into what our optionality is. I'm also a real-life businessman outside of this. So my relationship graph with the CEOs of Barnes & Nobles, or Hudson News, like, there's... And honestly, like, bringing it back to 7-Elevens and speaking to the CMO and CEO of 7-Eleven, like, I'm dreaming quite big. I think what's really, what I'm proud of at this point of my life is that... And why two of the biggest characters in Be Friends are Patient Panda and Patient Pig, and most attributes do not have multiple characters, is...

• 26:22Speaker 02

  What I'm most desperate about is to earn, earn the respect of the core comic book universe. And I think that requires a pace that I'm thinking about. And I'd like to get the brand universally known enough that it can sell through these stores when we actually put it there. Because you know this, selling comic number one, people will speculate and that will happen. But what about 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, you know, and so...

• 26:51Speaker 03

  Right.

• 26:51Speaker 02

  And by the way, this is a meta-moment. Like, I've been really paying attention to which shows do I respect? Back to your point earlier, I don't look at the amount of subscribers, or the amount of views, or the amount of money, or the amount of... Like, to me, it's, you know, I was raised so well, I came from so little, I know the differences. And so, we're just looking to build this nice and slow but meaningfully. But we definitely feel strong in our DNA and collectability and in storytelling. And, um, one step at a time.

• 27:27Speaker 03

  Whenever you guys hit the milestone of collected editions, I know a guy that would love to talk to you all about that. Actually, I talked to Jim about coming back to the channel to talk about his role in all of this. And maybe I could have him and DJ on so people can learn a little bit.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  I would love that.

• 27:42Speaker 03

  Be friends. Yeah, we'll have to set that up. And you want to keep this going, you want to keep being involved in all of this. And when you get it, I love the fact that you mentioned Free Comic Book Day and you're already thinking about publishing or distributing through Lunar, which is, I think, one of the few choices you have these days with PR Age and Lunar. So I assume this is something that both DJ and Jim bring to the table like, hey, we want to work out.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, they bring incredible institutional knowledge. But I'm a psycho when I do something, right? Like, I knew this was happening three years ago, and even before AI with Claude and Open Hand. Like, it wasn't hard for me to do the research of, you know, who are the tastemakers, who are the coveted artists? What is distribution? Which retail stores are doing well? Where are these things selling? What is the current market of, you know, the things I grew up with, with, you know, Hulk 181? And how's that doing? And like, you know, like, you know, it wasn't hard for me to pick back up the bicycle because I knew a lot in the 90s. I've been out of it for a long time. But that's exactly right. They brought incredible relationships and understanding.

• 29:01Speaker 02

  And then I've also put in, you know, hundreds of hours of homework on the ecosystem and the current temperament. And then, more importantly, I knew that no matter how much I knew and how savvy we were and what we understood, that if we didn't put out great books with great stories, with great art, like, who cares?

• 29:49Speaker 04

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• 30:20Speaker 03

  That's what people keep coming back to, right? It doesn't matter how much you market something. If people don't keep coming back to that book, it doesn't, it doesn't really matter, right? People don't care about the characters. If people don't want to follow the story. Doesn't really matter how much you spend on marketing that first issue or second issue, right?

• 30:41Speaker 02

  Mark, listen, I'm, by the way, John, I know plenty about variant covers.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  Listen, I'm very fortunate. I run the most contemporary, most successful independent marketing agency in the world. I have 25 years of being good at marketing and now I have the company that does the best marketing for the biggest companies in the world. All that marketing does is get people to know about something. If that something is a piece of crap, you're just gonna speed up everyone knowing you have a piece of crap.

• 31:12Speaker 03

  That's true. No, you're right.

• 31:13Speaker 02

  So, so the DJ in the gym and the me actually being a person that has these stories in his heart, that's what mattered, right? And then being smart enough to, and, and a good partner to the cover artist, so it's not just a check or a bounty. There's like a relationship and a conversation and an understanding of what we're trying to do, so... And then, and then showing up for stuff like this. You know, I apologize, I have to run. But, I, I couldn't appreciate the opportunity to jam with you more. And I really appreciate a lot of people in the comments. I was kind of reading along the best while focusing.

• 31:56Speaker 02

  I'm just grateful to be in this place. This was, this was one of my favorite places to be in the 90s with all my Mego, Kenner, Secret Wars collecting and then the Toy Biz stuff and then the Valiant stuff, which didn't go so great. And Spawn and buying Wizard Number One, you know, and looking up the prices and Tough Stuff and all that stuff, like this has really been... A really fun journey and this is just another deposit and I appreciate the opportunity to talk to you brother.

• 32:25Speaker 03

  I appreciate your time. Like I said, I know you're a busy guy and so yeah, thank you so much. I wanted to know why comics? That was my biggest question and you answered that at the very beginning. Thank you everybody for joining. Go and check out B Friends. They have a website where you can read their comics for free or visit their physical.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Bye bro. Thank you my friend. Hey everybody, if you enjoyed this podcast, please go back and look at the prior episodes. They're loaded. I appreciate your attention and thanks for being part of this journey. See you later.