The #1 Opportunity to Make an Extra $500 a Month

In this episode of The GaryVee Audio Experience, I join Elvis Duran and the team to talk about taking responsibility for our relationship with technology instead of blaming our phones. I share why live shopping is an opportunity and why self-awareness matters when choosing your path. I also discuss balancing conviction with humility, building emotional intelligence, and choosing optimism over cynicism. You'll learn about: Taking Responsibility for Screen TimeGetting Started With Live ShoppingSelf-Awareness and Career ChoicesBalancing Conviction With HumilityEmotional Intelligence and Optimism

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  So you're about to watch the Elvis Duran, or listen, podcast friends, I know you're listening, but I'm doing both. You're about to listen to the Elvis Duran show that I did the other day. We talked about a ton of great stuff, AI, personal brand, happiness, joy, simplicity, octopus. We talked about octopus. So I hope you enjoy this. Let me know. Hit me up on all socials. Let me know how you liked this show. This is the Gary Vee Audio Experience.

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  Gary Vee.

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  I like the bell.

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  You got a friggin' cowbell, man.

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  Well, it's a green one, like the Jets, so I'm already feeling good. I'm already feeling good.

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  I wish we could feel good.

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  Come on.

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  You would have taken one and one with an overtime loss to the Packers nine days ago, 10 days ago. You would have been pumped if I told you we were one and one with an overtime loss to the Packers. Yes or no?

• 0:55Speaker 02

  Okay, you're correct. Nine days ago wasn't today, Gary Vee.

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  Respect.

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  Is this where this is going?

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  Yes, yes.

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  Gary Vee, we look to you for guidance. We look to you for energy. We look to you for advice. We look to you for so many things. Not sports!

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  Okay, respect. Elvis, I will follow your lead. Fire away.

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  So much to talk about. You know, it's been a piece of our dialogue on this show for a while now, how, you know, we're losing, we're losing contact with friends, we're losing contact with the world because people are in contact with other things and other friends. And we are in this digital friggin' ocean and we're drowning. And when you came out publicly, and this was not that long ago, talking about how we need to go from digital back to analog, an analog world, it really resonated with us. Talk about what sparked that with you.

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  I didn't say that we need to. I said that we are. So like, good news, everyone, like...

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  Well, both.

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  Well, yeah, I mean, like, good news. If you're ideologically set in a place where you think we're too digital, the data's already showing that we're starting to go a little more analog, right? For example, my daughter and I went to Japan this summer. The whole quest was that she wanted to buy a used digital camera. This is a 17-year-old girl who has only grown up in this framework. If you look at what's going on with sporting events, music concerts, comedy shows, events, analog events, beer festivals, the numbers are up and up and up. And so what's happening is, humans always do this. We're adaptable and we love a good seesaw. We go all in here, then we go

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  all in there. We go all the way here, we go all the way, we go, 60s is the hippies, 80s is like, let's go make money. Like, this is what we do. And so, yes, I think we've now hit saturation point. For 20 years, I've been talking about all the opportunities around digital, right, from an entrepreneurship lens. But societally, we're starting to find a little more balance. But I will say this, and this is super important, and if this makes you veer off the road and have to pull over and check yourself in the mirror, this is exactly what I'm trying to accomplish. It is time to stop blaming technology. You're all grown and you are capable of putting down the phone. That would be like blaming alcohol, right, for everything. You have to become disciplined.

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  Now, some people have impulsive personalities. These are things bigger than technology. This is therapy, this is other things. But us just blaming technology for, or parents that are like, my kids are, my nine-year-old's on the iPad too much. Well, then be a damn parent and take the iPad out of their hand. Thank you. Like, we have gotten a little bit out of our skis and entitled here. We are blaming technology too much. It's time for accountability and responsibility, and we need to own that. Like, if you're like, "Ugh, I can't believe this. I'm always on my Instagram feed," put down your phone and go do something else.

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  Wait, do you do that yourself? Because you're always doing stuff. Do you put it away and put it down and take a break?

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  When I feel like I want to, yes. But I don't have an ideology. This is the issue. We've become so ideology-oriented, politics, society, I don't, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm playing the piano. I'm playing the piano.

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  Hold on, hold on, hold on.

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  I'm playing the piano.

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  Stop it, stop it. If your subwoofer is booming, it's Gary Vee beating the furniture.

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  Thank you. I turned into Mozart here for some reason. I literally did.

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  You're saying important things, but it...

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  You know, my body's...

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  It's like sitting on a dryer in the garage. My throat is vibrating.

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  Then my mission is accomplished here. Let me just say this. This is very important. To answer you directly, and more importantly, with the dear hope that this can help somebody that's listening right now, I just don't beat myself up. If I like, look at my phone, I'm like, today was, we talked about this earlier, if this is, if there's eight hours today, if today was a day when I needed to do stuff, or I was entertained, or whatever led me to being very digital-ed out today, I'm not like, like, "Oh, I'm horrible. I'm screwed up." Like, we beat ourselves up too much. To answer you, when I'm like, "Ugh," I'm like, just like, I feel like I've just been locked in too much to my laptop or phone or whatever I'm doing, then I will go do a walk or a workout

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  or watch something on TV because that feels like a different type of screen, or whatever I do. What I don't do is I don't dwell on what I just chose to do.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  Well, that's easy said, easier said than done, though.

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  I do not dwell on what I just chose to do. We are loaded with dwelling capability right now in our society, and we must change that.

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  Okay. So am I getting out to...

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  You like that's...

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  I love that. May I quote you? Of course.

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  Of course. You could steal it and say it's yours, and I would have no issues with it. No issues. Zero.

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  The simple thing here is like, okay, do I want to fall down a rabbit hole, looking at lasagna recipes on Instagram, or do I need to go out and take a walk? Do I want to reconnect with nature? I can make that decision, and I do, but there are many people who just haven't figured out that switch, they can't find it for some reason.

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  But where do we, where do we go with that? Right? Like, you could regu, like, you could regulate in perpetuity. I don't know if you guys know this. We had prohibition in this country. We deemed alcohol was something that, it was tricking, it was too powerful for us to be able to handle, and we banned it. Right? This is about education. This is about moderation. The real issue is modern parenting, over the last 40 years, has over-coddled a generation of human beings from great intent. We love these little characters more than anything in the world, but where do we start talking about self-responsibility? Like, you can regulate into perpetuity. This

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  is the history of mankind in Europe, in the United States, in Asia, in India, in South America. You can regulate all you want. The human spirit will always do what the human spirit does. This is about education. This is about telling everyone who's listening, not, "Let's be mad at Facebook and Google and make them come up with rules." This is telling them the truth, which is, "You are capable of controlling yourself if you put in practice and if it's that important to you." The punchline, though, Elvis, this is the punchline. The punchline is, people love to talk about stuff to signal who they want to be versus what they actually believe. People will crap on technology, but then, like, "Oh, my God, my kids have to be off

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  technology." But then the second their kid comes and is annoying to them, they're throwing the iPad at them to get them out of, so like, we need to become dramatically more accountable.

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  This is why I don't have kids. I have schnauzers. Okay, I'm gonna talk about something really fun that I know that you've been talking a lot about, and we've been kind of mumbling about it as well, and it's live shopping. Now, look, you know, it goes all the way back to the QVC concept. "Oh, I can turn on this channel. I can see they're selling all sorts of things down there." What if I just took a camera, turned it on, I'm on TikTok or wherever, and I'm live in my closet going, "What can we get rid of today?" And I have people bidding on things in my closet.

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  It's the number one opportunity for somebody that needs 500 bucks extra a month or a year. The number one opportunity for every single person listening right now that's looking for a little more side cash for maybe a nice family vacation this winter, or just needs to pay some debt or down or some bills. The number one unknown opportunity to society right now is live social shopping.

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  How do I get started then? Well, how do you, how do you...

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  There are three main platforms. There's eBay Live, and I think anybody...

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  That's up now. That's going.

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  Yeah, and everybody kind of like, no one just heard that and was like, "What's eBay?" Like, everyone knows what eBay is. eBay now has their QVC. There is a startup app called Whatnot. If you're in collectibles, you know it. Comic books, trading cards, coins. It's starting to get into fashion and beauty products. So that's the growing one. That's the emerging one. And then the other massive one is TikTok. And I think everybody who's listening right now who does go on TikTok knows that when they're going through their For You page, one in every 40 or 50 pieces of content, they're like, "Wait a minute. This person's live selling snacks or pickles or clothes." So everyone who's listening, all you have to do is go to ChatGPT or Claude, or if you're still old school and go to Google Search, fine, and type in, "How do I start live shopping?"

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  This concept of like, like, hearing this from us right now and then being like, "Well, I don't know what to do," that worked in the 80s. It's 2026. You can no longer ever say, "I don't know what to do," because you literally go to an AI bot and say, "In detail, I need to do, I'm a housewife in Homedale, New Jersey, and I just heard Gary Vee on Elvis Duran Show, and I want to make $84 a week more, and I want to do that on, I think they said, live social shopping. How do I do that? Step by step. Enter, and it will tell you step by step. First, download one of these three apps. Second, here's how you create an account. Third, now, I want everyone

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  to hear this. eBay and TikTok are even easier because you don't need any followers. When you start selling live on eBay and TikTok, you just start showing up randomly in people's UI, especially TikTok. They just put you in other people's feeds. So you don't even need followers. But most people listening right now have at least one social media account. So you can post on your Instagram, "Hey, I'm doing a show of antiques or my collectibles or things around my house," so you could go garage sale. Or for a small group of people that are listening right now that own small businesses that sell stuff, a small shop, Jersey, here's a good one. If you're a shop in the Jersey Shore that is only active four or five months a year, and the other seven

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  months you're not, live shopping can triple your business.

• 10:59Speaker 01

  Wow.

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  Because you could be selling in December, using your store as the studio.

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  And then you have to ship it out, though, and all that stuff.

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  Yes, you have to work.

• 11:08Speaker 02

  Gary, I don't like that!

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  Yes! Yes, I don't know if you know about this part, there is that part.

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  Don't get him started. Last time Gary was here, he started going off on people that don't want to work.

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  I know.

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  Hey, so I got an idea.

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  No, no, by the way, Elvis, I want to say this, I apologize for this.

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  You went off.

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  No, no, I went off on people that don't want to work and expect money coming in. I don't like, by the way.

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  That is my goal.

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  I respect that.

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  Thank you.

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  It is most people's goal, but it's not real life, right? Like, you know.

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  It's not real life, Gandhi.

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  I mean, I'm hearing sell pictures of your feet on TikTok.

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  Well, that's a different app. Seems like, seems like you're very educated in that.

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  You're up and running with that, right?

• 11:52Speaker 02

  Absolutely. $500 a month, get your toes out, you'll get more.

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  Listen, there's all sorts of ways to monetize. This is America, pick your, pick your own path.

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  It's hard work. And you don't have to ship out your toes.

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  No, no.

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  No, that, we make a lot of money.

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  Why am I even, why am I even here? These ladies have it all figured out. Why am I even here?

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  So, in essence, you could, you could have a closet full of crap, well, two units crap. You could have a garage full of stuff stacked up. It's, anyone listening to this could be doing it right now.

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  It's coming. It's, it's what social media was in 2007. When I was doing things like this in 07 and saying, hey, I think you can make a living on social media. Like, you probably remember this, like, people are like, pfft. And now it's like, so common to know people can make a real millions.

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  I'm gonna make a killing.

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  Right?

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  I'm a super hoarder, man. I got stuff at home. I got.

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  You would crush. You would crush.

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  Here's my 2015 Elvis Duran National Radio Hall of Fame. What is this thing? It's a. It's an award.

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  Award plaque.

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  All right. All right. The bidding. The bidding starts at $200.

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  I would start at a dollar to get the action going.

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  Get out of here.

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  Yes!

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  You're nothing.

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  I'm gonna, I'm gonna sell your hat.

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  Your hat? By the way, you, you signed that plaque. Now I'm in for 200.

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  Oh. I thought it's worth less signs sometimes, depending on what it is.

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  It depends on what it is.

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  Why doesn't he include a picture of his feet?

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  Okay, 500, 500.

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  I knew it.

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  See, this has been going on, and I was talking to this, about this with someone just a few minutes ago. In Asia, people don't go online and sell their house. And their car in the front yard. I mean, they, it's, this is nothing new. But this has been going on, this has been going on for a decade.

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  I'm gonna say a word that's gonna blow people, a sentence that's gonna blow people.

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  You're gonna blow me? What?

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  Yes, if you'd like, if you'd like.

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  How much for that?

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  Yeah, a lot more, a lot more.

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  That's a different network as well.

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  In China this year, the GMV, gross merchandise value. That means the amount of cost for all the items that are sold. In China this year, the live social shopping market will pass $1 trillion. $1 trillion worth of stuff. The big video that hit the US was last year. Did you ever see the woman that was doing the handbags? And it looked like a conveyor belt? This went super viral. She was selling 7, 8, $10,000 bags every second. Just like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. So, yes, I believe for the real estate agents that are listening, for the car dealerships that are listening. I believe within the decade, give it four to six years, is my guess right now, 3, 7, 9, I don't know the timing.

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  But within the decade, I do believe that cars and homes will be sold on live shopping. Not just trinkets, stuff around the house, not just peanuts or dresses.

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  I got eight houses I can get rid of today.

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  Was that a humble brag? Was that a humble brag?

• 14:49Speaker 01

  No, no, it's, it's.

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  Oh, I got eight houses.

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  It's, I'm out of cash.

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  Respect, got it.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  We gotta take a break. Gary Vee is here. We're about to light it up even more, so hang on.

• 14:59Speaker 00

  Hey, everybody, I hope you're enjoying the podcast right now. Make sure you follow the podcast. That's why I'm interrupting. Let's keep going on this show, but follow the podcast. It'll make my mom super happy.

• 15:10Speaker 01

  You, when we met you, God. 10 years ago? A decade ago.

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  Yeah.

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  It's crazy.

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  You, you told us your story, coming from a family of wine, wine purveyors, and you decided to take it online. God, look at how the world has changed in just 10 years. How has the world, and only you can answer this, how has the world changed dramatically in the last one week? Or one year? Give me, give me like the newest things that are out there that are blowing your mind. And you don't even know enough almost to, to comment on them.

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  Respect. The biggest trend or thing that I'd like everyone to think about is, in the last year, is the demonization of AI.

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  Hate it.

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  Yep, and there, here we go. So, and I, and I respect it. I think, look, one thing I've, I was a very poor student, but I was really good at history. Like, literally Ds and Fs, and then I would get As in history. And it was always like this weird kind of like thing. I never understood, I didn't even understand it. And then as I got older, I'm like, oh, as an entrepreneur and businessman, and kind of like a human anthropologist, I use history to tell me the future. I think anyone who's like really hates AI, I would ask them, just give one hour of your time to read all the articles from the 100 newspapers that were in New York at the time about how humans talked about electricity when it came out. You want to talk about demonization?

• 16:31Speaker 01

  But what, what were they saying?

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  I'll tell you.

• 16:32Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm old enough to remember, but I don't.

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  But you forgot.

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  The word, the reason everyone in this room and listening even knows the word demonization was because it became popularized as a word when electricity came out. Because the word on the street with electricity, when it first came out, was if you brought it into your home, you were also bringing demons. People chose, people chose to stay with candles and lanterns because they were scared if they used electricity in the home, demons would come. And electricity changed the world, as you can imagine.

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  It brought demons, obviously.

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  Yeah, of course. And it also upended economies, changed, you know, people's jobs. There were many people that changed the lanterns on every street across the entire world. That was their job. That went away. Things happened. AI is a profound technology. And I'm completely empathetic to why people are scared of it. Because the media, personalities, humans on social media are doing a great job scaring the crap out of people.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  Well, you do that, Gandhi, you scare the hell out of us about your AI conversation.

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  Yeah. And so, and so, but I will say this, the, the opportunity for people to use these tools, before they kill us.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  Before who kills us? AI?

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  Yes.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  Okay, please.

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  You know?

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  Hurry.

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  But, but, but the, the, the thing is, is that people are scaring, a lot of companies are scaring people right now for self-interest.

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  Right.

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  The big companies right now are like, oh, we need to regulate this. And everyone's like, see? I'm like, not see, they want to regulate it because they want to keep their competitors out of it. They're the leaders.

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  That's why we're having this conversation.

• 18:10Speaker 00

  Well, you're, well, you're very smart.

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  Thank you.

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  You are very smart.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  Well, wait, wait, we had this conversation.

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  Okay, Elvis, you're kind of smart. But.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  She brought it up, okay.

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  But what they're doing, what, what's going on right now is big companies, politicians for damn sure, bosses. The biggest change in the last 10 years is the world has weaponized fear. The, the world has weaponized fear. All they do, I mean, I am so tired of these politicians, like, I was always tired of them. They've put me completely on tilt. All they do, 24/7, on either side, is try to tell you what to be scared of. And that they're gonna save you.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:50Speaker 00

  Exactly. Do it again.

• 18:53Speaker 00

  Do it one more time. Thank you.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  You're spitting in my microphone.

• 18:55Speaker 00

  So, so, but it's a gold one.

• 18:57Speaker 02

  This one's mine.

• 18:58Speaker 00

  Why is hers gold and yours is silver?

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  He has the gold one, where is hers?

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  Where's my gold mic? Oh my God, where's your gold mic? Where's my gold mic? Oh, you know what? I sold it on.

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  On live, on live.

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  Here it is.

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  There it is! There it is!

• 19:20Speaker 01

  But, you know, obviously, you know.

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  So that's the, that's the biggest conversation. And the world will play out in the next five years of the haves and have-nots in AI. Both in which humans will put their head in the sand and say, I'm not dealing with this. And they're using the excuse of it to not put in the work to learn it. There's a lot of people doing that right now, like, oh, I hate AI. What you really hate is you've learned what you've learned, and you don't want to put in the 100 hours to learn this thing because you're exhausted, because learning is work.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  Yes, it is.

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  And so, and so, I think that that's gonna be the fascinating thing to, to watch. I will say this, I'm very optimistic.

• 20:00Speaker 02

  But you don't think we have to plan for like doomsday?

• 20:02Speaker 00

  Of course we do. I don't know if you know this, atomic bombs were invented.

• 20:08Speaker 00

  Okay, thank you. Like, like, we act like, like, like, like, there are atomic bombs all over the world right now. One button, you're, and everybody else is dead. Do you think we have to plan for that?

• 20:20Speaker 01

  Well, there's nothing to plan for, really.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  At that point, we're all going together.

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  So this becomes a question, how do you want to live? My big thing is for everyone who's like, wah, wah, wah, and, and all that, and all cynical.

• 20:32Speaker 00

  Elvis, this is the key moment right now.

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  Okay, go.

• 20:34Speaker 00

  For everybody, and this is a good one, I want everyone to call their most cynical, negative parent, aunt, grandma, whoever it is, if they're so like, it's over and everything's bad, then why aren't they going ham and living life to the fullest?

• 20:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, Daniel, how come you're not going?

• 20:53Speaker 03

  Um.

• 20:54Speaker 00

  So like, like, no, but really Elvis, everyone's like, the world's gonna be over in a year. I'm like, then you should go vacation and gamble and slut it up.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  Gary, what are you doing later?

• 21:07Speaker 00

  Whatever you want, Elvis.

• 21:08Speaker 02

  It's not a year, how much longer before the world, like, just kills itself?

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  Do you know how long people have been saying that? For a trillion years, everyone's like, oh.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  What if it's about to start killing itself?

• 21:20Speaker 00

  There's clips of this show in the late 90s talking about the world ending in 2000. Yes, there is clips. Thank you, spooky. Thank you. Thank you. Do you know how many hardcore fans of this show just started laughing? Because they were there in 98, when the year 2000, it's all over. It's all, thank you, thank you.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  I did not say that.

• 21:41Speaker 00

  Thank you. 2012, what about 2012?

• 21:45Speaker 01

  It's all ending now.

• 21:46Speaker 00

  Yeah. So that's it. That's it.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  In, let's do a reach around here.

• 21:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:52Speaker 01

  So when Gandhi brought the, the three concepts of AI and, and how it could be dangerous to us. You brought, you, you were talking about the three.

• 21:59Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  And what, what, what is causing the hysteria?

• 22:03Speaker 03

  Right. Why did all of a sudden all of the tech bros who are creating it come out at the same time and say, oh, by the way, this is really dangerous and we need to regulate it and maybe slow it down?

• 22:11Speaker 01

  And you, your, your theory, the, the three steps are?

• 22:15Speaker 03

  I think there are three options. That either one, it's true. Two, they're afraid that somebody else is coming up with something to compete with them. So they want to regulate it and stop the competition. Or three, what was the third one? This was yesterday.

• 22:29Speaker 00

  Good news, good news, good news. It's number two.

• 22:31Speaker 03

  Oh, no, yeah, the number two. Oh, no, number three was, they want to give you something to be afraid of so that they can also give you a product to combat that.

• 22:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:39Speaker 03

  Whether it's like an antivirus product or whatever it is. So those are the three options. And I think that the, the most hopeful one is that they're just worried about somebody coming up with something to combat the actual bad stuff with good stuff.

• 22:50Speaker 00

  There's, the, I'm gonna get tech nerdy here. I hope this brings value to people. There's the concept of closed and then there's the concept of open source, right? And the amount of open source projects that are going on, there's so many companies competing. What's really happening is, this is a real Cold War dynamic. This is America versus China. That's what's really happening.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:12Speaker 00

  And so like, it's very complicated because the, the Chinese AI companies are really strong. The US, you know, AI companies want to compete for that commercially. But the governments on both sides care about it more from what governments care about, right? Protecting their citizens or having the weapons to make sure nobody, you know, messes with them. All the dynamics we've seen over the last 70 years. My belief, subjectively, is that they want to get regulation in because they're burning money. If you get really nerdy into the business of this, the current business models are not sustainable. They are raising ungodly amounts of money to make these companies work. And this looks like internet one point oh. The web in 1999, when all these companies were spending a ton of money to win on the internet,

• 23:57Speaker 00

  but the customer wasn't there yet. The money's not coming in fast enough against the expenses of this. And regulation would help those three companies, comma. I don't, like, maybe they saw something that, like, AI is a profound technology. Like, here's the one, all our passwords have no chance. Like, everything you've got right now that has passwords, we're gonna have to create a new system that's better than, you know, like, 111774, that's your birthday. And like, like, you know, like, like, you know, like, like, we're gonna have to create something better because AI is going to be able to hack those things.

• 24:31Speaker 03

  But it is, there, I see what you're saying about how there's maybe not a ton to worry about and people are fear mongering, but there's also the impact on the environment that is very real.

• 24:39Speaker 00

  Ish.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  Ish.

• 24:41Speaker 00

  I'll, I'll explain that. Meaning, I, I'm, I'm, listen.

• 24:44Speaker 03

  You don't care about water, Gary?

• 24:46Speaker 00

  I care about earth quite a bit because my thesis is if it's not here, what are we talking about? So I'm a buyer. I also use history. I also understand that a lot of the math and the hyperbole that goes into what AI is doing with its usage of water and things of that nature, just kind of reminds me a lot of like, the, the issue with a lot of this is all gets politicized. Like, there's unlimited articles in the 60s saying Miami would be underwater by 1980. And then when it doesn't happen, like, we've got to find the balance. Nobody on either side of this equation actually knows at this moment exactly the impact. It should be thoughtful and it's part of the equation, but no one actually knows. And there's, that's where this gets to be such a problem, right?

• 25:30Speaker 00

  But yes, I care quite a bit about water, earth and oxygen.

• 25:34Speaker 03

  I know you hate the octopus.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  By the way, no one knows what that means.

• 25:38Speaker 00

  I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't hate octopus, I just eat it.

• 25:44Speaker 00

  I eat octopus, I'm sorry.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  I walked into the room and you guys were having this argument. I'm like, okay, we gotta start the interview. What are you talking about? Because I know she loves the octopus.

• 25:52Speaker 00

  I'm very aware.

• 25:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, and so it started from a conversation about me being a member of his fly fish club. And there is a dish there that he loves, he loves the octopus. And I said, oh, I don't eat that. And then it got into why I don't eat it. And he was like, oh, I said, it's my favorite animal. I love an octopus, I love an elephant, wouldn't eat either of them.

• 26:08Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 26:08Speaker 03

  And he said, well, it's not my fault, God wrote the rules and they're inferior to us. And that's when I snapped.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, you really, you really messed her up at that juncture.

• 26:18Speaker 00

  Yes, no, I understand that. By the way, I don't really like, I, I, I think it's a very difficult sentence to consume when you have great care for all living creatures. I get that.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  But they shouldn't be so tasty.

• 26:31Speaker 00

  Yeah. But I really actually do believe it, right? Like, meaning, like, the, the rules of like, the universe were written. And like, like, I'd be thrilled if I could live on grass. I would eat grass 24 hours a day, it'd be fine. It's just not how it played out. Like, sometimes things just play out.

• 26:51Speaker 01

  Well, I know, but humans could be somewhat tasty if, if marinated properly.

• 26:56Speaker 03

  Have you tried one?

• 26:57Speaker 00

  I haven't, but I would.

• 27:00Speaker 02

  Everyone's desperate situation.

• 27:02Speaker 00

  Well, yeah, I mean, like, people have, like, you know, like.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  Who in this room would you eat first if you had?

• 27:06Speaker 00

  You, definitely you. Slowly.

• 27:09Speaker 03

  I'm telling you.

• 27:09Speaker 00

  Slow, slowly, by the way.

• 27:11Speaker 03

  Scary calves, you would eat him first.

• 27:13Speaker 00

  Show me, Scary.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  I got, I got some thick calves.

• 27:15Speaker 00

  Yeah? Show me.

• 27:17Speaker 03

  He keep you going.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  Look at these calves.

• 27:19Speaker 03

  And he doesn't move around a lot, so it'll be like veal.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  Look at those.

• 27:22Speaker 00

  Look at these calves.

• 27:22Speaker 03

  Look at that.

• 27:23Speaker 00

  Scary, do you shave your legs?

• 27:24Speaker 01

  No.

• 27:25Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 27:27Speaker 00

  They look so shiny and good.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  I'll tell you why there's no hair there, his calves are so thick.

• 27:31Speaker 00

  Got it, it killed the hair.

• 27:34Speaker 00

  Scary's looking great.

• 27:35Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you. He is, he's working out.

• 27:37Speaker 00

  I'm working out. I get it. What's, what's the workout called? Ozempic?

• 27:44Speaker 01

  There ain't nothing wrong with that.

• 27:48Speaker 00

  By the way, by the way.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  You'd be the first person to say there's nothing wrong with those.

• 27:51Speaker 00

  Not only will I say it's nothing wrong with that, my great hope, and I'm no scientist, back to the octopus stuff.

• 27:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:58Speaker 00

  My great hope is that these GLP-1s and 3s end up being like statins. You know, when we were, some of us, you and I, I don't want to speak for anyone else's age, but you and I, sir.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  Why are you winking it?

• 28:09Speaker 00

  I'm hitting on you.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  Who isn't?

• 28:11Speaker 00

  Elvis, when you and I were growing up, heart attack was like a big thing. Like, most, my grandfather died, like, people were dying from heart attacks in the 60s, 70s, 80s. And statins have really changed the formula. For me, my great hope is that that medicine continues to evolve and that at some point, everybody at a certain age is either doing some sort of microdosing of it or macrodosing of it, because there's so much to get through with that. No one, like, it's way too early for the medicine. But my hope is that it keeps progressing because it's gonna extend people's lives. By the way, my favorite thing about AI, by a country mile, is what it's doing in medicine. Everyone can be like, oh, I hate AI, it might take my job. When it saves your child's life, I have a funny feeling you're gonna like AI.

• 28:56Speaker 00

  What AI is doing for medicine is, I'm, I don't know if you guys can see this, I'm literally getting goosebumps. It is, I'm telling you, it is profound. We are within the decade where most things are gonna get figured out. It is solving math problem, there was a math problem solved today. This is way out of my skis, but the headline, and I read a little bit about it this morning, I was so fascinated. There was a 98 year, 90 year math problem that is like, you know, the greatest mathematicians in the world have been trying to figure out, bank, done, figured out, you know? Yes, 100%. It's a, this, this is a very, very big deal for, for health and wellness.

• 29:31Speaker 03

  So what, what is it that you think we need to do? Lean into analog or lean into AI?

• 29:35Speaker 00

  Both.

• 29:36Speaker 03

  Because there's some duality there.

• 29:37Speaker 00

  I, I think both. I, I actually think life is best when you're pulling from opposite directions, right? I think when you have incredible conviction, but you have humility that equally is balancing that, you can find a very nice balance. I think people don't realize that balance actually comes from building a bridge. You're pulling hard from two things that seemingly are contradictions. And I think that's where intelligence and joy actually finds itself.

• 29:59Speaker 03

  You're overestimating intelligence, maybe.

• 30:01Speaker 00

  Mm, I don't know.

• 30:02Speaker 02

  I have a college question. Kids who are looking to go to college now. A lot of people are saying, well, you know what, learn a trade instead, or don't go into business or don't do this because AI is gonna take over, all of that. What, what do you think about stuff like that? What should people be like concentrating on?

• 30:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, you know, this is one of my, this was one of my great content pillars. This is one I've really won. 15 years ago, when I was making content of like, I don't know about college for everyone, I was getting murdered.

• 30:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:26Speaker 00

  Like, I was getting DMs from mom, especially immigrant parents.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, my parents.

• 30:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. And Russia, and my Russia, like, the Russian, like, I was getting DMs like, I am coming to your house and killing you. Like, people were so upset. They're like, my son said he might not go to college, you're finished. I was like, you know, like, and so, but slowly but surely, I think the world has caught up to what I saw back then, which was, for the creative and entrepreneurial class, to go to college.

• 30:55Speaker 00

  And collect debt to get a piece of paper that isn't going to be functional was a massive mistake. And that has now been historically proven out. There are plenty of people that should go to college. There's plenty of things that AI will change. Trade is remarkable. I do think that we need way more self-awareness. People are always trying to do what they think is right or where the money is versus looking at themselves. They're just people that are handy and I'm thrilled that electricians and plumbers and these trades are exploding in value. People are making real money right now. There's many 17-year-old kids right now who should absolutely go learn the trade of being an electrician because there will be opportunity, but then things move fast. It could also go the other way.

• 31:39Speaker 00

  Somebody invents something that doesn't need the electricity. So you don't know what the world's going to do in the macro. What you need to focus on is who are you?

• 31:46Speaker 01

  This goes back to what you said earlier. It's up to us to make these decisions. Do we want to fall down those rabbit holes online or go take a walk? Can we build these bridges from the left and the right that using our own, our own needs and own intellect to figure out what is best for us there for the world?

• 32:05Speaker 00

  And there's a really important point on the octopus thing to recall that. What I love about you, no, I'm being dead serious is where are we on our radars and our internal capability around compassion? Where are we on empathy? Back to intelligence, the intelligence I care about is emotional intelligence.

• 32:21Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 32:22Speaker 00

  Like, like what AI is definitely going to do is commoditize information, like and even processing. Like where the growth of opportunity in the professional world, let alone real life that matters way more than business in life is the growth of emotional intelligence. The reason right now we are struggling with so many things is we are incredibly selfish. We have no capacity to have empathy. When people see the world differently than me, I don't think they're a jerk or the worst. I'm emotionally intelligent enough to understand they grew up in a household and an environment that saw the world differently. Uh, back to my early content, I used to get murdered for cursing.

• 33:04Speaker 00

  And so like when I would go and speak, let's say in the South at a keynote speech with a thousand people. And this was early in my career, I'll never forget this. I was like really starting to be the hot public speaker doing keynotes. And I went down to Birmingham, Alabama, a thousand people in attendance. And I dropped my first F-bomb making this fun point and it did not land. And, and I stopped and, and the host of the event came out and said, hey, guys, come on. We brought Gary here. Let's be Southern hospitality. Like this is, he's a Jersey boy. This is how he taught and I stopped him. I said, that's absolutely not true. When you go into another person's home, if you, if the rules of the home is you take off your shoes, you don't walk in with your shoes and walk all over it. I apologized to the audience and I said, listen, this is just how my, when I talk, the F-word just is in my head. It's just, I can control myself.

• 33:48Speaker 03

  Me too.

• 33:49Speaker 00

  Right. I can control myself when I'm in this environment, for example, because I don't want to get you guys in trouble or, you know. But I, I really genuinely think that we are missing an element of compassion and sympathy and empathy. I am shocked by the audacity to think that everyone should see the world exactly like you. We all come from different things, different, my mom, as you know, if you know my content, I put her on a pedestal all day long, 24/7 because she is genuinely the greatest mom and human being of all time. She also cursed in Russian 24/7. So you want to know why I curse? Because of my mom. Like, you know, and so like that's just, and, and I, I don't know, like that's the intelligence that I hope explodes.

• 34:31Speaker 00

  I hope as AI commoditizes other things, I hope we as a society, as parents, as thought leaders, as people with platforms, start talking more about compassion and empathy and sympathy and, and conviction and here's a big one, curiosity. You know why I'm me? Curiosity. You know, I always know new stuff. I'm curious. Like I want to know. I'm, I'm like, oh, that's interesting. What's going on there? And because I like relating with people, I like all people and like, yeah. And like while I'm in this platform, knowing who listens, big shout out to Martin Luther King Elementary School in Edison, New Jersey. Going to that grammar school from 82 to 89, having all that diversity, kids from different backgrounds. I was there with the great Indian immigration to Edison and Matutian.

• 35:15Speaker 00

  I was the immigrant until they came, so they were my homies, but Asian kids, black kids, white kids. And like, we need more of emotional intelligence. That's how you, because when you have confidence, then you're willing. Know what Elvis, do you know how many people are going to go on TikTok and eBay Live and sell stuff in their house? Very few. Do you know why? They're worried about the judgment of their neighbors and what they think about them selling their dresses from their closet.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  Well, stop worrying about other people.

• 35:40Speaker 00

  Well, that, that requires confidence.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Here's the thing, Gary Vee. I can sit here and listen to you all day long. First of all, you're as interesting as interesting can be. And secondly, you, you, you're balancing 85 sentences at the same time. But we've learned many things here today. I could go on and on. One thing you said about us as human beings, we need to have more empathy. We need to understand emotional intelligence. I think a lot of people who are not totally into understanding what AI is wholly, believe that people that don't have that intelligence also can have control of AI and then destroy the earth. That, that's the thought. I think that.

• 36:18Speaker 00

  By the way, that's, that's, that's right, but, but I'm going to say it again. I just need people to hear this because I just, I'm so tired of people underestimating.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  You're beating the furniture.

• 36:28Speaker 03

  Oh, you can use your hands.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  But go ahead.

• 36:30Speaker 00

  I'm, I'm so tired of people underestimating the human race. The best part of this whole interview was the atomic bomb thing. There are people with atomic bombs right now that care about no one. And yet we're still able to combat it. Do not underestimate the human being.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Gary Vee, everyone. I know.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  Hold on. Let's hear it for AI, let's hear it for Statons. We should name, we should name an island after Staton.

• 37:24Speaker 00

  But, but it's true, like, like, you know, every, every.

• 37:27Speaker 01

  That was a good joke.

• 37:28Speaker 00

  But by the way, every, every, I, I saw where you went. I'm, I'm, I'm an East Coast boy. I followed it. Big shout out Pete Davidson. Here we go. But my, my, but I want to, the reason I'm like, I locked in and went serious instead of laughing at the joke is, you know, this goes back to like this end of this talk that really excites me. Be confident in who you are. Don't hide if you're doing a GLP-1 because everyone, this is, you know what GLP-1s are? They're online dating. In 2002, if you met someone on match.com, you may pretend that you met at a bar. There was a stigma around it. Now it is the standard. Right? Like this thing is helping a ton of people and like people that it really matters and it is going,

• 38:11Speaker 00

  and hopefully it's still a young medicine and needs 20, 30 more years. But I do believe if it keeps checking all the balances for the doctors, like everybody is going to benefit from it. And that's good. And there's so many more inventions, there's so many more things. And I hope it, people, we talked about a lot of stuff here. I just, I just beg people to occasionally choose optimism because cynicism is on fire right now. Cynicism is red hot. Cynicism is red hot.

• 38:37Speaker 03

  It's trending.

• 38:38Speaker 00

  Yeah. And by the way, I will leave with this. I know I gotta go. You're kicking me out. Life is how you see it. If you want to find bad in the world right now, good news, it's out there. But let me tell you what my social media feeds look like. Pure positivity.

• 38:54Speaker 03

  Me too. I feel the same way.

• 38:56Speaker 00

  Rainbows, sunshines, octopus, you know, dogs, baby elephants, like.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  Not having a gag reflex.

• 39:02Speaker 00

  That's right. That gets you, right? That's a positive. Your, your algorithm isn't, your algorithm isn't controlling you, it's exposing you. I can change everybody's algorithm right now. Everybody who thinks their algorithm is making them upset, go to search on Instagram or TikTok, type in rainbows, happiness. Here's a key one. Type in Gary V E E, follow that account. And literally watch in 24 hours, your entire feed, no more politics, no more this thing, that thing, that thing. All of a sudden it just, and, and that is the greatest tell in the world right now.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  Change your algorithm.

• 39:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. Awesome. Love you guys. Everybody, if you enjoyed this podcast, please go back and look at the prior episodes. They're loaded. I appreciate your attention and thanks for being part of this journey. See you later.