Pod Insights Freakonomics Radio The Economics of Everyday Things: “My Sharona” About this episode Can a hit single from four decades ago still pay the bills? Zachary Crockett f-f-f-finds out in the third episode of our newest podcast, "The Economics of Everyday Things."
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0:07 Stephen J. Dubner? Hey there. It's Stephen Dubner. You are about to hear the third episode of our newest podcast, The Economics of Everyday Things. It is hosted by Zachary Crockett, and you can get all the episodes on any podcast app. Here's Zachary.
0:23 Zachary Crockett? I recently talked to a woman whose name I have heard hundreds of times at the grocery store, karaoke bars, in my car. But before the world knew her name, she was just a typical teenager in the late 1970s, living it up in Los Angeles.
0:39 Speaker 02 It was a pretty carefree life in those days. We would just, you know, go to someone's house and rock out The Cars, The Pretenders, Blondie.
0:49 Zachary Crockett? Oh, yeah.
0:50 Speaker 02 All those songs that you would just air guitar in your bedroom. I was a 16, 17 year old person. I was working in a clothing store, and this guy said, hey, I'm playing at SAR Studios. Do you want to come check me out? And so I went, I brought some friends. They were honestly really good. And then he asked to take me to lunch, and he told me, I am absolutely madly in love with you. We're gonna be together one day. And I was like, what? Are you kidding me? You're many, many years older than me, and I'm just not available. He ended up really pursuing me. I didn't go with him for that first year,
1:32 Speaker 02 where he was kind of being my groupie. That's when he's writing these songs. Every club, the Starwood, the Troubadour, the Whiskey, three shows a night, sold out. Cut to, I'm driving back to my work, and I'm just like, did I just hear a song with my name in it on the radio? Like, what just happened?
2:02 Zachary Crockett? From the Freakonomics Radio Network, this is The Economics of Everyday Things. I'm Zachary Crockett. Today, "My Sharona." It's the story of how one hit single can pay off for decades. On August 25, 1979, "My Sharona" seized the number-one spot on the Billboard Hot 100. It stayed there for a full six weeks, becoming the biggest hit of the year. In an era of disco dominance, "My Sharona" stood out. The song was written by singer-guitarist Doug Feiger, who died in 2010, and this guy.
2:44 Speaker 03 My name is Burton Aver. I was the lead guitarist and co-writer in a group, The Knack.
2:50 Zachary Crockett? The Knack was a rock quartet that formed in L.A. in 1978.
2:56 Speaker 03 When our band first started, I was living in my parents' house in the valley. We weren't making any money at that point.
3:05 Zachary Crockett? But the band soon gained a cult following for their high-energy shows at clubs in West Hollywood. And it wasn't long before Feiger planted the seed for a song that would change their lives.
3:16 Speaker 03 "My Sharona" was one of the first songs that Doug and I wrote together when we started playing the troubadour. Doug was always saying, "We should have a song that's like the end of the set that makes them want us to play an encore." I was a huge fan of Elvis Costello's. And the drum breakdown in "Pump It Up" was like so just feral and exciting. I picked up a guitar and I started playing the riff that we know as the "My Sharona" riff.
3:54 Speaker 03 And I thought, this is, this is pretty good. I like this. So we went back to Doug's apartment. And Sharona was this young woman and Doug took a shine to her. He just, just off the top of his head, came up with the kind of stuttering, the my Sharona, he was channeling Roger Daltrey in my generation.
4:22 Speaker 03 And we, we cranked it out, you know, I'd say maybe an hour, best hour ever.
4:30 Zachary Crockett? In economic terms, that one hour of songwriting was one of the two most productive hours of Burton O'Vaire's life. We'll hear about the other in a minute. The band at this point was only earning a few hundred dollars per gig, but they were building buzz.
4:45 Speaker 03 It was 100% word of mouth. We were kind of a local sensation in that sense. We had a string of really big names getting up and jamming with us because we played really well for a band.
5:02 Zachary Crockett? We're talking Steven Stills, Eddie Money, Tom Petty, and then?
5:07 Speaker 03 Springsteen got up and jammed with us and the record companies that were there. The next morning, our manager is fielding calls from all of them talking potential record deals.
5:17 Zachary Crockett? They signed with Capitol Records for an advance of around $100,000, which was pretty sizable at the time. But a record advance isn't pure profit. There are strings attached.
5:29 Speaker 03 The label gives you advance money so that you could record the album. And then your first sales, all the money goes back to them until you've paid back the advance, right? So in an era where people were spending like $400,000 to make their albums, we spent, and this isn't an exaggeration, 17 and a half thousand dollars.
5:57 Zachary Crockett? That thrifty approach led to the other most productive hour of Burton O'Vaire's life.
6:03 Speaker 03 Most of what we did in the studio were one takes, one takes, and then we re-record the singing.
6:08 Zachary Crockett? You hear a lot of big name bands, you know, spending hours and hours and hours in the studio, just carefully crafting one song. Now, it's not the case here.
6:16 Speaker 03 No.
6:30 Zachary Crockett? So after recording My Sharona and the 11 other songs that went on to their 1979 debut album Get the Knack, the band was left with more than $82,000 from The Advance. The trade-off with An Advance is that, once you take the record company's money, the recordings become their property, not yours.
6:50 Speaker 04 I mean, mid to late 70s, the traditional deal would be that the record company would own the master and they would provide a percentage of the sales to the artist. They would call them points.
7:04 Zachary Crockett? That's Michael Kloster, head of the music publisher Reach Music. He represents both of there and the estate of Doug Feiger.
7:12 Speaker 04 You know, if you had 10 points, 12 points, 14 points, the record company would be making the majority, 90%, 85%.
7:21 Speaker 03 Our band got, because we were in demand, 13 points, which was, for a new band, it was unheard of.
7:31 Zachary Crockett? That's 13% of every physical copy sold. And the album Get the Knack sold 2 million copies in the first year alone. At first, The Knack didn't get to collect their artist royalties. Those went straight to capital to pay back that $100,000 advance. Once that debt was paid, though, the band started receiving checks. And that was very nice for all four members of The Knack: Burton of Air and Doug Feiger, along with bassist Prescott Niles and drummer Bruce Gary. Meanwhile, My Sharona was all over the radio, and that meant performance royalties.
8:11 Speaker 04 That's a huge revenue stream, especially back in the day. If you had a big radio hit, you would generate significant performance income.
8:18 Zachary Crockett? Performance royalties get paid when recording is played in public, say, over the radio, at a roller rink, or in a store. But that money didn't go to The Knack. It went to Doug Feiger and Burton O'Vere, the two band members who had written the song back in Feiger's apartment. They owned the copyright to "My Sharona" as a composition. The tune, the lyrics, the rhythm, the chords.
8:43 Speaker 04 Being the songwriter is really key to your financial success and your longevity. It kicks off numerous amounts of other royalty streams that really have nothing to do with the record company and that the record company would not be recouping against.
9:02 Zachary Crockett? As the songwriters, O'Vere and Feiger also got an extra share of the record sales, according to copyright holders. That's called mechanical royalties.
9:11 Speaker 03 I remember the first check I got from the Mechanicals, and it was about $90,000.
9:18 Zachary Crockett? Remember, performance royalties and mechanical royalties are attached to the song as a composition, not the recording. This was Feiger and O'Vere getting paid for that first golden hour writing the song in Feiger's apartment. Not the second golden hour, when they were cranking out the record in the studio with Prescott Niles and Bruce Gary. All of this was just the beginning. Later that year, a college student in San Luis Obispo, California, had the idea to record a parody of "My Sharona."
9:55 Zachary Crockett? He sent it in to the disc jockey, Dr. Demento, who played novelty songs on his nationally syndicated radio show.
10:05 Zachary Crockett? That is how the world first met Weird Al Yankovic. "My Balona" was released as a single and on Yankovic's first album. And because "My Balona" was adapted from O'Vere and Feiger's song, they collected royalties whenever the parody version was played or sold. That wasn't always the case when other musicians made use of "My Sharona."
10:29 Zachary Crockett? In 1987, Run DMC used a sample from the NAC's own recording of the song.
10:41 Zachary Crockett? At that point, the law around using samples was a bit unclear. Run DMC never got permission from the NAC to use the recording, so the rock band didn't get paid when "It's Tricky" made the charts. 19 years later, the NAC filed suit for copyright infringement and the parties came to an undisclosed settlement. Now, samples usually are not a big moneymaker. For my Sharona, the serious bucks were yet to come. That's after this break.
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13:29 Speaker 03 I mean, Doug and I were getting by. We weren't like on the street or anything, but we weren't making significant money.
13:36 Zachary Crockett? The Knack had put out follow-up albums in 1980 and 1981, and these sold a few hundred thousand copies apiece. Decent, but nowhere near the success of Get the Knack. Shortly after that, the members started to squabble and the band split up. They later reunited for a fourth album, which was a critical and commercial flop. It seemed that The Knack had run its course. And yet, as Michael Kloster points out-
14:03 Speaker 04 You know, anything that hit number one from a certain time period will be used and rediscovered.
14:13 Zachary Crockett? For My Sharona, that happened in 1994.
14:17 Speaker 05 Emián's naivety fell backwards. Can you turn this up, please? Please? You won't be sorry.
14:27 Speaker 05 Thank you.
14:29 Speaker 04 Reality Bites, that was a really big use of My Sharona.
14:34 Zachary Crockett? Reality Bites was a comedy directed by Ben Stiller about the romantic and creative struggles of 20-something Gen Xers. It grossed more than $20 million, and some of that went back to Aver and Feiger in the form of something called synchronization royalties.
14:53 Speaker 04 Synchronization income, which is the licensing of music in a film or a TV show or an advertisement or a video game. That's a huge revenue stream for the songwriter. There's no barriers, except for the free market, to tell you what you can charge for your song.
15:11 Speaker 03 We made a good chunk off of the sync rights. It was probably about 60,000.
15:19 Zachary Crockett? Reality Bites put the original recording of My Sharona back on Billboard's Hot 100 chart again, 15 years after its release.
15:29 Speaker 03 What happens is that the people who were into it originally are at a different stage of life. They re-experience the song. And then what also happens is new fans.
15:41 Zachary Crockett? New fans, new sales, and even more synchronization deals. Do you have a rough estimate on how many films and commercials and advertisements My Sharona has been used in over the years?
15:53 Speaker 03 It could be 50.
16:00 Speaker 04 We're constantly, throughout the year, licensing the song in all different types of situations in all over the world. So you never know when you're going to get a great email in your inbox, how they want to use your song in a very large, substantial way, which equals a very large, substantial payday.
16:20 Zachary Crockett? The 21st century has introduced one more income source for My Sharona: streaming royalties. Paid by platforms like Spotify and Apple Music when users play the song. The record label negotiates a rate for the recording and then gives the band a cut. And the publisher collects a mechanical royalty and a performance royalty, both of which go to the songwriters. Those rates are a lot lower than what a band makes on physical record sales.
16:49 Speaker 04 When you look at your statements and you actually see the per-song micro penny rate, you're like, oh, my lord. On an individual line basis, it's very miniscule, but we're talking about such volume that it really adds up.
17:04 Zachary Crockett? Before he died from cancer in 2010, Doug Figer called My Sharona the golden albatross. Burton of air, for his part, is still composing new tunes, mostly in musical theater. But if he'd never lifted a finger beyond that hit song, he'd still be getting paid. I know you don't want to say the exact amount of the checks, but are we talking like mortgage payment money, car payment money?
17:29 Speaker 03 Well, let me put it this way. It's easily over 100,000 a year and less than, I'd say, 300,000. I still make a very good living off of that one song. I do not have the wolf at the door, probably never will.
17:52 Zachary Crockett? So a man who co-wrote one hit song 43 years ago still makes six figures off of it to this day. None of that money is flowing to Sharona Alperin. Today, she's a real estate agent in Los Angeles. She has some ambivalent feelings about the hit record that was written about her. A record, I should say, that presents a 17-year-old girl as the object of an older man's lust.
18:25 Speaker 03 I mean, come on, my? Let's think about it. Is there a more obsessive or possessive word in the English language? My? It's like, dude, no, I'm not yours. It was time for me to be My Sharona.
18:38 Zachary Crockett? And where should people go if they want to find your business online?
18:42 Speaker 03 Oh, thank you for asking. They can go to mysharona.com.
18:54 Zachary Crockett? For the economics of everyday things, I'm Zachary Crockett.
19:01 Zachary Crockett? This episode was produced by Sarah Lilly and mixed by Jeremy Johnston with help from Greg Rippon, Jasmine Klinger, and Emma Terrell. Our executive team is Neil Carruth, Gabriel Roth, and Stephen Dubner.
19:15 Stephen J. Dubner? Hey there. It's Stephen Dubner again. I hope you enjoyed this episode as much as I did, which was a lot. By the way, on a recent episode of Freakonomics Radio, we looked at the phenomenon of the one-hit wonder from a different angle. That episode is called "What's Wrong With Being a One-Hit Wonder?" Meanwhile, if you are loving this new show, The Economics of Everyday Things, go to your podcast app and follow or subscribe right now. We will be back soon with a new episode of Freakonomics Radio. Until then, take care of yourself, and if you can, someone else, too.
19:52 Zachary Crockett? If we wanted to play my Sharona on this podcast, how much would that set us back?
19:57 Speaker 04 We would enter into a free market negotiation, and I would try to extract as much as I can from you. No, no. We're all good.
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